highaltitude.log.20110318

[00:05] <Lunar_Lander> you know what is funny :)?
[00:05] <Lunar_Lander> to run the speedtest against the server in Kampala, Uganda
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[00:09] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[00:09] <Lunar_Lander> not so funny anymore
[00:09] <Lunar_Lander> 237 ms ping
[00:09] <Lunar_Lander> it used to have 1000+ ms
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[00:41] <Lunar_Lander> hi Dan-K2VOL
[00:42] <Lunar_Lander> I'll send you a mail with my timetable this day
[00:42] <Dan-K2VOL> great
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[00:49] <Lunar_Lander> good night
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[01:07] <russss> http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html
[01:08] <russss> I believe Messenger is now in Mercury orbit
[01:08] <SpeedEvil> Woo!
[01:08] <SpeedEvil> Forgot about that.
[01:09] <russss> I love the applause
[01:10] <russss> is this some kind of live audience?
[01:10] <SpeedEvil> No, it's all the people thatr walk on it AIUI
[01:11] <russss> how many planets do we have orbiters around now?
[01:11] <russss> 4, right?
[01:12] <russss> including Earth, excluding the moon
[01:13] <SpeedEvil> jupiter, mars certainly
[01:13] <SpeedEvil> mercury, yeah
[01:13] <SpeedEvil> nothing around uranus or pluto
[01:13] <russss> saturn, mars, earth, mercury.
[01:13] <SpeedEvil> venus too I think
[01:13] <russss> do we have Jupiter?
[01:14] <russss> I don't think we do have Jupiter
[01:14] <SpeedEvil> I was about to say galileo
[01:14] <SpeedEvil> but I dont' think anymore
[01:15] <SpeedEvil> Oh - casinni
[01:15] <SpeedEvil> er
[01:15] <SpeedEvil> nvm
[01:16] <SpeedEvil> I got my gas-giants confused.
[01:16] <russss> yeah, cassini is one of my favourite spacecraft.
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[01:18] <russss> this is probably my favourite solar system image ever: http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/figures/PIA08329_fig2.jpg
[01:19] <SpeedEvil> Is that false colour?
[01:19] <russss> it's HDR, but I don't belive it's false colour
[01:20] <russss> the best bit is that the dot in between the rings on the left of Saturn is Earth
[01:26] <SpeedEvil> Earthrise from lunar orbit is mine, though I can't find the particular picture I was thinking of.
[01:27] <russss> http://history.nasa.gov/ap08fj/photos/14-b/hr/as08-14-2383hr.jpg
[01:28] <SpeedEvil> I think I was actually thinking of the as-transmitted video, with commentary.
[01:29] <SpeedEvil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_8_Genesis_reading
[01:29] <russss> yeah, the christmas eve broadcast
[01:29] <russss> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X84X-PP2Ako
[01:33] <russss> I wish we had that on spacelog, but it's not quite done yet
[01:33] <russss> Apollo 8 is my favourite Apollo mission
[01:34] <russss> this Apollo 11 earthrise is I think my favourite http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/AS11-44-6549HR.jpg
[01:35] <SpeedEvil> That may have been the one I was thinking of.
[01:35] <SpeedEvil> I'm unsure.
[01:35] <russss> well, the classic photo is the Apollo 8 one
[01:36] <SpeedEvil> The impact of SL-9 is another
[01:37] <russss> I love this one too http://media.spacelog.org/a11/images/media/AS11-40-5924.jpg
[01:37] <SpeedEvil> Though regrettably not visually spectacular
[01:37] <russss> and this one http://media.spacelog.org/a11/images/media/AS11-44-6642.jpg
[01:38] <SpeedEvil> http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/sl9/image41.html I think was what I was thinking of.
[01:38] <russss> I think Buzz Aldrin said that he liked that one the best, because it has all the actors in it: the earth, the moon, the LM and the CM
[01:39] <russss> even if it is just an out-of-focus sliver of the CM
[01:40] <russss> Messenger has high-rate telemetry
[01:40] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[07:03] <griffonbot> @LVL1WhiteStar: http://track.whitestarballoon.com/ is finally coming together! Thanks for letting us mangle your code, Spacenear! #arhab [http://twitter.com/LVL1WhiteStar/status/48640754452672512]
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[07:56] <Dooberry> morn
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[08:14] <fsphil> yo yo
[08:15] <Dooberry> 'tis early.
[08:15] <Dooberry> a little too early if you ask me.
[08:15] <natrium42> 1 am
[08:15] <Dooberry> ahh, that's just late.
[08:15] <fsphil> yea
[08:15] <natrium42> :)
[08:15] <Dooberry> it's 8:15am here
[08:15] <fsphil> ;)
[08:16] <Dooberry> or, as I call it, "Pre-Kyle"
[08:16] Action: fsphil rubs eyes
[08:18] <fsphil> ah well, it's a lovely day outside -- though really frosty
[08:18] <fsphil> and it's friday yay :)
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[08:22] <Dooberry> not a nice day here, all overcast and depressing.
[08:28] <fsphil> it'll get better
[08:34] <Dooberry> I like your optimism...
[08:44] <fsphil> optimism is a required part of my job ;-)
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[09:00] <Dooberry> Phil - have you reapplied to the CAA yet?
[09:01] <fsphil> I did - should get it for mid-April. I've applied for more time incase of more gps or weather problems
[09:02] <Dooberry> aye, good shout. 4 week lagtime is a bit of an arse though...
[09:02] <fsphil> it does make things difficult
[09:03] <fsphil> esp. so near the coast
[09:05] <fsphil> I could always launch a small balloon, sub-2 metre. just for testing anyway
[09:06] <Dooberry> What would the restrictions be?
[09:06] <Dooberry> I presume sub-2 metre is <300g?
[09:06] <fsphil> not sure about the weight
[09:07] <Dooberry> We're going to carry out some testing over the next few weeks, but we'll be keeping the balloon tethered.
[09:07] <Dooberry> just want to get camera angles correct really
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[09:12] <earthshine> morning
[09:12] <fsphil> can't find the restrictions .. the caa site is .. tricky
[09:12] <fsphil> morning earthshine
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[09:19] <Dooberry> morning
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[10:17] <fsphil> hehe, love the bbc online's error page
[10:17] <fsphil> http://www.flickr.com/photos/skepchick/4585643905/
[10:21] <fsphil> hmm.. I can't get anything else now. I haz broke de bbc!
[10:21] <SpeedEvil> Technically, you should flag it as clipart.
[10:21] <SpeedEvil> Or something non-photo
[10:21] <fsphil> not my photostream
[10:21] <SpeedEvil> oh.
[10:22] <SpeedEvil> I realised after I said that that I diddn't think you were of the female persuasion.
[10:22] <fsphil> I'd notice if I was female
[10:22] <fsphil> *checks*
[10:22] <fsphil> yea
[10:23] <fsphil> but fair point all the same :) I've a few screen shots flickr
[10:24] <fsphil> hmm.. according to our content filtering system (blah), xkcd is a porn site
[10:24] <SpeedEvil> It totally is.
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[10:36] <Josh_> hi everyone, hope you're all well!
[10:37] <Josh_> have got a question re gps programming so any help would be appreciated
[10:37] <SpeedEvil> Shoo.
[10:37] <SpeedEvil> Shoot
[10:38] <Josh_> me and a friend are buying the live tracking gps components and we are happy with soldering and connecting the components, however we are clueless when it comes to programming it.....we understand the code needs to loop in order to repeat the process of receiving and distributing the gps signals but basically, we have no idea what to write as far as coding goes!
[10:39] <SpeedEvil> There are some example codes on the wiki I think.
[10:39] <SpeedEvil> Basically it's pretty simple though.
[10:39] <Josh_> of course, we're also worried that we'll input the code....and then won't be able to test it until we either plan a test flight or do the real thing :S
[10:39] <SpeedEvil> Read GPS input, parsing for the fields you want to extract. Read any sensors.
[10:40] <Josh_> ok i'll check the wiki , thanks
[10:40] <SpeedEvil> Output a sentance comprised of the sensor info and GPS info to the radio, repeat.
[10:40] <SpeedEvil> For extra points, you might consider stuff like turning off the GPS and radio to save power.
[10:40] <Josh_> i'm sure it is pretty simple....but literally, we've never done any coding....we gotta figure out how to get the coding onto the gps to start with
[10:41] <Josh_> hehe
[10:41] <Josh_> ok thanks ^
[10:41] <SpeedEvil> arduino is popular.
[10:44] <Josh_> Love the wiki!
[10:46] <Josh_> does anyone have any advice on the best gsm module for backup tracking?
[10:47] <SpeedEvil> I'm unsure - I think most people use a old phone from ebay
[10:47] <jonsowman> the t68i is a popular choice
[10:48] <jonsowman> you want one with a "real" UART
[10:48] <jonsowman> rather than the serial-over-USB interfaces that most modern phones have
[10:49] <Josh_> ok, i'll do some research but i also have a couple of old phones, how do i know whether my old phone has a real UART?
[10:58] <SpeedEvil> If the cable that connects with it has some circuitry in, it will generally be a real UART
[11:00] <staylo> Search for aftermarket cables for that model, you can generally work out from the casing if they're straight USB or have some form of circuitry
[11:03] <Josh_> ok yhanks
[11:03] <Josh_> thanks*
[11:06] <SpeedEvil> Or google
[11:06] <SpeedEvil> See if other people have been using it that way
[11:06] <SpeedEvil> for example, google yourphone pinout rx tx volts
[11:08] <Josh_> ok thanks, i got to go now but will so some research on the topic
[11:09] <Josh_> btw, you can follow my progress on my project by heading to http://www.joshingtalk.com
[11:09] <Josh_> please follow/subscribe
[11:09] <Josh_> have a good day!
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[11:14] <fsphil> was planning to .. not working out that way :p
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[11:37] <Laurenceb_> whens whitestar launching?
[11:39] <fsphil> last I heard, saturday night / sunday morning
[11:41] <Dooberry> on their twitter they said Monday night
[11:41] <Dooberry> and that was posted 7 hours ago
[11:41] <Dooberry> 8pm "EDT"
[11:41] <Dooberry> although I presume they mean EST
[11:44] <fsphil> ooh monday, it must have been pushed back
[11:44] <Dooberry> I wonder how they're managing the tracking...
[11:45] <fsphil> EDT is EST + 1h
[11:45] <fsphil> daylight savings starts early in the states
[11:46] <Dooberry> ahh, my bad.
[11:46] <fsphil> so that's midnight here
[11:46] <Dooberry> oh wow
[11:46] <Dooberry> they're using a sat modem
[11:46] <Dooberry> that's cool.
[11:46] <fsphil> very
[11:47] <Dooberry> ...wonder how much they cost.
[11:47] Action: Dooberry goes to find out
[11:48] <fsphil> not sure about hardware, but the transfer rates are pretty heavy
[11:49] <Dooberry> Presume they're using something like this : http://www.satcomresources.com/Comtech-Radyne-DMD1050-L-Band-Satellite-Modem-Board
[11:49] <Dooberry> data rates between 2.4Kbps to 20Mbps
[11:49] <Dooberry> you could get away with streaming HD video at the upper end of those bitrates, so long as you had a on-the-fly MPEG4 compressor
[11:49] <fsphil> afaik they're sending very small messages, just a few bytes each
[11:50] <Dooberry> yeah, I presume the cost per meg is high
[11:56] <Dooberry> ah they're using this one - http://www.digi.com/products/wireless-wired-embedded-solutions/satellite-wifi-cryptographic/satellite-connectivity/m10.jsp#overview
[11:56] <Dooberry> designed for asset tracking, so it'll be minimal data rates
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[12:14] <fsphil> there's also an HF beacon but that's only a backup
[12:15] <fsphil> HF propagation is just too weird to rely on :)
[12:16] <Dooberry> urgh, my internerd is messing up a lot today
[12:16] <Dooberry> Skype messages taking 30 mins to get through to recipient
[12:16] <Dooberry> and more importantly a constantly interrupted Spotify!
[12:17] <fsphil> aaah spotify ... annoyingly have mixed up "The Prodigy" and "Prodigy"
[12:17] <Dooberry> heh
[12:17] <fsphil> one is very good, and one is very not good
[12:18] Action: Laurenceb_ is getting confused by scripts
[12:18] <Laurenceb_> : command not found
[12:18] <Laurenceb_> ++ $'\r'
[12:18] <Laurenceb_> : command not found
[12:18] <Laurenceb_> what could cause that?!
[12:19] <fsphil> what's the script look like?
[12:20] <Laurenceb_> http://pastebin.com/zHW4irBW
[12:23] <fsphil> how far does it get?
[12:24] <Laurenceb_> bash: ./build.sh: /bin/bash^M: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
[12:26] <fsphil> wrong carriage return?
[12:27] <Laurenceb_> looks like it
[12:27] <Laurenceb_> its a file from a windows pc
[12:27] <fsphil> aye. dos2unix ftw
[12:29] <Laurenceb_> aha
[12:32] <Laurenceb_> make[1]: *** No rule to make target `code/start.o', needed by `out/mainc'. Stop
[12:32] <Laurenceb_> any idea what could give that?
[12:38] <fsphil> start.o missing?
[12:39] <Laurenceb_> hmm yeah theres no code file
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[15:04] <mattltm> Hi all :)
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[15:31] <GroupO> jonsowman: ping
[15:36] <fsphil> ellloouuu
[15:37] <mattltm> It's Mr fsphil
[15:37] <fsphil> the one and only
[15:39] <fsphil> I was hoping that pole would arrive today
[15:39] <mattltm> Not turned up?
[15:39] <mattltm> fsphil: So long as it gets to you by Monday.....
[15:39] <mattltm> http://www.dxinfocentre.com/tr_map/fcst/nwe114.jpg
[15:40] <mattltm> Some very good tropo heading your way.
[15:40] <fsphil> oooh
[15:40] <mattltm> http://www.dxinfocentre.com/tr_map/fcst/nwe138.jpg
[15:40] <fsphil> that is good
[15:41] <mattltm> Sunday looks ok for a routeto spain..
[15:41] <mattltm> http://www.dxinfocentre.com/tr_map/fcst/nwe066.jpg
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[15:44] <mattltm> fsphil: Did you have to momorise resistor color codes for your 2e0?
[15:44] <fsphil> I did
[15:44] <fsphil> at the last minute
[15:45] <fsphil> just as well too, the very last question was about them
[15:47] <mattltm> lol. Maybe I should brush up on them then :)
[15:47] <mattltm> Lol. Just got off the phone to the registrar of marriages (getting married in October).
[15:48] <mattltm> Wnated me to confirm that I was not relater to my bride to be!
[15:48] <mattltm> *related
[15:50] <fsphil> congrats :D
[15:51] <mattltm> Why? Becaus we are not related? :)
[15:51] <mattltm> Most people in Kent are :)
[15:53] <fsphil> I've been to Kent, it's not that bad :p
[15:53] <mattltm> At least you got out again :p
[15:53] <fsphil> haha
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[16:01] <jgrahamc> Afternoon all.
[16:02] <NigeyS> dammit
[16:03] <NigeyS> afternoon jgrahamc
[16:03] <jgrahamc> Howdy.
[16:04] <jgrahamc> Looking at the predictor I see that next week there's some serious calm around Cambridge. Pity I can't sneak off work and launch during the week.
[16:04] <NigeyS> always the way :/
[16:05] <jgrahamc> Had fun getting the Telit module to be ultra-reliable. In the end had to downgrade to Python 1.5.2, use Windows in a VM and upload only .pyo files. Now works well every time.
[16:05] <NigeyS> cerikey i bet that was fun
[16:05] <NigeyS> crikey*
[16:05] <NigeyS> silly fingers today!
[16:06] <jgrahamc> It was a whole lot of bollocks type work to get me back to where I was last November.
[16:06] <NigeyS> lol not good
[16:06] <jgrahamc> However, the module now does cleanly boot every time and I added code to reset the GPS if no lock for 30 minutes.
[16:06] <jgrahamc> What's going on with your launch?
[16:06] <NigeyS> ah good stuff
[16:07] <NigeyS> waiting for a few parts, then it'll be wait for good weather in april sometime
[16:07] <jgrahamc> It looks like mine's going to be April also. Would be nice to get it as close to the 50th anniversary of Gagarin's flight.
[16:08] <NigeyS> ahh yes that's coming up soon
[16:08] <jgrahamc> April 12 IIRC
[16:09] <jgrahamc> Hey, eroomde when did you say you were away from Cambridge?
[16:09] <fsphil> shame, that's before my next notam starts
[16:10] <jgrahamc> When does it begin?
[16:10] <fsphil> 21st
[16:10] <fsphil> April
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[16:36] <NigeyS> hey jcoxon
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[16:37] <jcoxon> afternoon
[16:38] <jgrahamc> afternoon jcoxon
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[16:46] <jcoxon> hey jgrahamc
[16:46] Action: jcoxon has been disabled by a bad back
[16:46] <jcoxon> hopefully it'll resolve asap
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[16:46] <SpeedEvil> :/
[16:46] <jgrahamc> Sorry to hear that.
[16:46] <jcoxon> managed to get through work today so can't be that bad
[16:47] <SpeedEvil> Magnets that worked on bone, and allowed external fitment of splints would be so awesome.
[16:47] <SpeedEvil> Annoyingly, there are some minor technical issues.
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[17:32] <earthshine> Would the uBlox Antaris RCB-4H be of any use for HAB ?
[17:35] <earthshine> Because if so, I can get hold of some cheaply
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[17:40] <fsphil> I think anything ublox-based would be good
[17:42] <fsphil> ublox5?
[17:42] <earthshine> it's the RCB-4H
[17:43] <NigeyS> Operational Limits
[17:43] <NigeyS> Velocity
[17:43] <NigeyS> 515 m/s
[17:44] <NigeyS> looks good as far as cocom goes
[17:44] <earthshine> I can get some of these for about £15 each if anyone is interested
[17:44] <NigeyS> i'll try 1 out
[17:45] <mattltm> Im in for 1 :)
[17:45] <NigeyS> http://www.alphamicro.net/resources/u-blox/RCB-4H_Data_Sheet%28GPS.G4-MS4-06034%29.pdf
[17:46] <fsphil> can run from 5v too, could be handy for some people
[17:47] <NigeyS> yups
[17:47] <fsphil> 2mm header
[17:47] <fsphil> it's quite a big board
[17:49] <fsphil> no mention of an altitude limit
[17:50] <NigeyS> nope, could only find velocity
[17:50] <fsphil> odd that
[17:50] <fsphil> definitely worth a try
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[17:51] <griffonbot> Received email: Earthshine Electronics <mikemcr68@gmail.com> "[UKHAS] uBlox RCB-4H Antaris GPS units available"
[17:54] <fsphil> oh sweet: Sleep mode current: typ. 170 ¼A
[17:55] <mattltm> Nice and low :)
[17:55] <fsphil> be perfect for a zero-pressure balloon
[17:55] <fsphil> have it only wake up every 10 minutes, or less at certain times of the day. could run for weeks
[17:56] <NigeyS> yup, sweet or what!
[17:56] <fsphil> oooh or with solar
[17:58] <fsphil> not as light as the fsa03 or gpsbee - they're <10g including antenna
[17:59] <fsphil> brb, mutt needs a walk :)
[18:00] <mattltm> It's ok, i'm fine thanks :p
[18:00] <NigeyS> lol
[18:00] <mattltm> NigeyS: Submitted your RDNS request today.
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[18:07] <NigeyS> ahh brill, thanks matt
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[18:09] <MrCraig> Good evening habbers!
[18:14] <mattltm> Hi MrCraig
[18:18] <MrCraig> :-)
[18:18] <MrCraig> It all happens this weekend - payload is getting built no matter what
[18:19] <mattltm> Cool.
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[18:42] <fsphil> mutt walked
[18:42] <MrCraig> hi fsphil
[18:42] <fsphil> lovely night!
[18:42] <fsphil> hiya MrC
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[18:59] <jcoxon> evening all
[18:59] <NigeyS> evening James
[19:00] <MrCraig> evening :)
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[19:19] <jcoxon> evening Zuph
[19:20] <Zuph> Afternoon jcoxon
[19:20] <Zuph> How are you?
[19:20] <jcoxon> okay thanks
[19:20] <jcoxon> you?
[19:21] <Zuph> Sleepy :-p
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[19:26] <MrCraig> hey Zuph, SpikeUK and anyone else I missed joining
[19:26] <MrCraig> Hey Laurenceb
[19:26] <Laurenceb> hi
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[19:27] <Zuph> Hey MrCraig
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[19:40] <chembrow> evenin
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[19:42] <Josh__> hi guys
[19:43] <Josh__> does anyone know of a fast track course for teaching yourself how to use coding and programming for an arduino, we've never used one before but are keen to learn?
[19:43] <earthshine> A good book
[19:43] <chembrow> have you got any coding experience?
[19:44] <Josh__> none whatsoever
[19:44] <Josh__> could you uggest a title maybe?
[19:44] <earthshine> I recommend this one -
[19:44] <earthshine>
[19:44] <earthshine> wtf
[19:44] <earthshine> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Beginning-Arduino-Michael-McRoberts/dp/1430232404%3FSubscriptionId%3D0V4JT1H35KWYMF0SKQR2%26tag%3Dnovelrank-21%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3D1430232404
[19:44] <earthshine> that one ;)
[19:45] <earthshine> oops wrong URL - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Beginning-Arduino-Michael-McRoberts/dp/1430232404/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpt_1
[19:45] <NigeyS> Only 4 left in stock
[19:45] <NigeyS> :o
[19:45] <chembrow> this one is ridiculously high level. took me about 1/2 an hour to read the entire book:
[19:45] <chembrow> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Getting-Started-Arduino-Make-Projects/dp/0596155514/ref=sr_1_1
[19:45] <chembrow> so I'd avoid it
[19:46] <jcoxon> earthshine, i hope you are going to admit you wrote that book :-p
[19:46] <fsphil> lol
[19:46] <earthshine> Well that is of course why i'd recommend it ;)
[19:46] <earthshine> PLus it is the best Arduino book for beginners out there :D
[19:47] <jcoxon> i agree
[19:47] <Josh__> haha! thanks guys
[19:47] <Josh__> knew i could count on you
[19:47] <jcoxon> earthshine, its seems to have sold very well
[19:50] <fsphil> I'd love to write a book, but I don't have the skillz :)
[19:51] <fsphil> ooh we should do a beginners HAB book
[19:51] <natrium42> it should have an appendix of all the terms
[19:51] <natrium42> like "the jcoxon mile"
[19:51] <jcoxon> coxon kilometre
[19:51] <natrium42> oh, right
[19:52] <jcoxon> yeah its even lower :-p
[19:52] <fsphil> Bill Time
[19:52] <MrCraig> and an index of suppliers with a website for updates
[19:52] <jcoxon> good old Bill Time
[19:52] <fsphil> I'm afraid I was using Bill Time for my last launch
[19:53] <Zuph> I'd like to see a launch that doesn't use Bill Time :-p
[19:53] <fsphil> my next one will be perfect ;-)
[19:53] <Zuph> Yeah yeah
[19:55] <MrCraig> lol the advert for amazon kindle has someone balancing it on the console of a treadmill at the gym.... have you ever tried to read while on a treadmill? even with it in your own hand? impossible
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[19:56] <jcoxon> MrCraig, yeah i thought that
[19:56] <SpeedEvil> MrCraig: It's not
[19:56] <SpeedEvil> MrCraig: At a large enough font size
[19:56] <fsphil> if the kindle had a few usb ports it would be brilliant :)
[19:56] <Zuph> fsphil: Already working on the next generation transatlantic flight computer, even though we haven't launched this one -p
[19:56] <MrCraig> wow - I don't think I could do it
[19:56] <fsphil> lol Zuph -- no rest for the wicked?
[19:56] <MrCraig> Can't wait to get my kindle though
[19:57] <SpeedEvil> I have one.
[19:57] <chembrow> MrCraig I love mine
[19:57] <SpeedEvil> I find I'm reading more on my phone.
[19:57] <SpeedEvil> It's easier to hold in one hand in bed, and I don't need to screw with the lighting to get it to work.
[19:57] <MrCraig> I bought one for my mum for her birthday, she loves it and is reciprocating for my birthday - I have the kindle app on my droid but I find it awkward and it does need charging a lot
[19:58] <chembrow> I tend to just prop it on a pillow in bed, rather than hold it
[19:58] <MrCraig> oh - hers does have the case with reading lamp
[19:58] <chembrow> the cases are stupid expensive tho
[19:58] <MrCraig> well I read those old things in bed ... what are they called, oh you know - books.... but I have to hold it and also have to hold the pages open which is just cumbersome
[19:59] <SpeedEvil> I have way too many books.
[19:59] <MrCraig> I know, about £50 for that case *grumbles* for faux leather with a few LED's but I think it's worth it.
[19:59] <chembrow> yup, the missus has that problem and has started looking enviously at my kindle
[19:59] <chembrow> I don't mind turning the light on, so you've just reminded me that I wanted to order this one:
[20:00] <chembrow> http://www.proporta.com/F02/PPF02P05.php?t_id=5681&t_mode=des
[20:00] <chembrow> 15% off at the moment
[20:00] <MrCraig> I have a bookshelf but it's hardly full, one shelf has books (half full), one has dvd's and the other 4 shelves and edges have components and rc copters and bits n pieces
[20:01] <chembrow> I'm gradually giving my books to the charity shop.
[20:01] <MrCraig> Most books I left behind as I moved around over the last three years, which is why the kindle app and device are ideal as a renter :)
[20:02] <chembrow> I find it very hard to give up books. I've got a stack of 20 or so to take to the charity at the moment, some that I've owned for nearly 20 years
[20:03] <chembrow> I managed to find them as ebooks tho
[20:03] <MrCraig> yeah, I've still got peter nortons guide to the IBM PC just because it was one of my first 8086 based references lol
[20:03] <fsphil> I'm like that but with magazines
[20:03] <fsphil> my attic is full of Amiga magazines
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[20:03] <MrCraig> any commodore 64 mags fsphil?
[20:03] <fsphil> just a couple of those
[20:04] <MrCraig> I've been trying to find two specific issues of commodore format but I don't know the issue numbers - purely because I featured in them. One was a question asked to TMB and the other was a readers answer.
[20:04] <fsphil> ooh, I'll take a look next time I'm up there
[20:05] <MrCraig> :-) cool thanks
[20:05] <Zuph> I'm a shameless bibliophile. I'd get a kindle for technical reading, but I like dead trees too much for the rest.
[20:05] <jcoxon> fsphil, what will the spiders say though if you remove their magazines
[20:05] <chembrow> I don't like the kindle for technical
[20:05] <fsphil> I got a letter into CU Amiga once
[20:05] <MrCraig> cool :-) what was it about?
[20:05] <chembrow> you can't skim with it, and it's not big enough for most PDFs
[20:05] <fsphil> knowing my luck jcoxon, they'll come down with them ...
[20:06] <fsphil> MrCraig, amiga vs pc ;-)
[20:06] <chembrow> now if they release the kindle DX properly over here, that might be better
[20:06] <MrCraig> aaah the age old 33Mhz 68020 MIPS vs 80386 @ 33
[20:06] <fsphil> basically lol
[20:06] <MrCraig> lol
[20:06] <MrCraig> I probably read your piece
[20:07] <fsphil> I quite like Linux Format -- its reminds me of those mags
[20:07] <fsphil> a lot of the same writers
[20:08] <MrCraig> imho technology was never the amiga problem - it was marketing. They took a respected business machine and made it into a games console which was great, but they stopped the business line and never really marketed the games machines (except the cd32 but even then for only a short time)
[20:09] <MrCraig> Hmm - can't run linux on my laptop *grumbles* every time I do, it crashes all the time, the sound card doesn't work right, the graphics card performs a lot worse - I hate the audio daemon's on linux enough already anyway.... I don't know how to fix all these issues in linux and so I've only ever used it on hardware which it was stable from the start (if a little tweaking was required for multiple monitor support th
[20:09] <fsphil> it became a technology problem pretty quickly .. they just didn't improve them quick enough
[20:10] <fsphil> the a1200 was brilliant, but already out of date by the time it was released
[20:10] <fsphil> ooch
[20:10] <MrCraig> Well that was the time at which clock-speed was king.
[20:10] <fsphil> I've had pretty good luck with laptops
[20:10] <MrCraig> a faster processor was released each week.
[20:11] <MrCraig> I've had far more joy with linux on desktops and on one occasion bought a supported graphics card just so that I could keep using it - I couldn't have done so with most laptops.
[20:11] <fsphil> speaking of faster processors, I noticed the other day you can still buy brand new accelerators for the A600 and A1200
[20:12] <MrCraig> are they still a million pounds?
[20:12] <fsphil> about £120
[20:12] <MrCraig> sadly today you could buy an entire PC for that (or very close to it) that'd out perform those cards ^10
[20:13] <gb73d> my next project is to bulid a sheet metal disc and cone for upgrading my indoor discone
[20:13] <fsphil> http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=43&products_id=1003
[20:13] <gb73d> gonna fix em to the existing elements
[20:13] <chembrow> not wanted to interrupt this line of conversation with talk about HABs, but ...
[20:13] <chembrow> ... what size nylon braid do people normally like using?
[20:14] <fsphil> I'm soo tempted to get one, but the new yaesu must come first :)
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[20:14] <MrCraig> lol nice chembrow, and on the same subject, is nylon braid really required? Can't I use good old fashioned string?
[20:14] <gb73d> i have to have onescanner rx on a indoor antenna so Im souping it up
[20:14] <Zuph> chembrow: We're using 1/8th inch nylon rope for all our transatlantic rigging.
[20:15] <gb73d> my uhf gp system is working OK, got the 300mhz gp on atm
[20:15] <chembrow> thanks Zuph. if it's good enough for transatlantic it should do me :)
[20:16] <Zuph> Heh, the 1/8th inch is an order of magnitude stronger than we really need. We're trying to rig it to break at 50 lbF.
[20:33] <chembrow> hmm, according to my kitchen scales, my payload container is 600 grammes. maybe 50mm home insulation was a little excessive
[20:35] <Laurenceb> http://store.atmel.com/PartDetail.aspx?q=p:10500250
[20:35] <Laurenceb> ^niceeee
[20:38] <Laurenceb> pity i wasted my money on a sparkfun equivalent :/
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[20:49] <Lunar_Lander> WEEKEND!
[20:51] <Lunar_Lander> hello natrium42 NigeyS
[20:54] <natrium42> >1@K9 45=L, C=0@ 0=45@!
[20:54] <staylo> Some day I'll be able to read 'What's in the box' without thinking of Seven
[20:56] <Lunar_Lander> ?????????!
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[20:56] <natrium42> 0: 45;0, C=0@ 0=45@?
[20:57] <Lunar_Lander> @Íàòðèóì42
[20:57] <MrCraig> >1@K9 45=L, C=0@ 0=45@! Agreed!
[20:57] <MrCraig> Though I have no idea what I agreed to.
[20:59] <natrium42> C=0@_0=45@, C B51O =5BC UTF8?
[20:59] <Lunar_Lander> ?????????, ?????????! ? ???
[20:59] <fsphil> !B@0E 1>;LH>9 C=K!
[20:59] <natrium42> XD
[21:00] <Lunar_Lander> I have to switch the little thing from DE to RU all the time
[21:00] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[21:00] <Lunar_Lander> you know in the taskbar
[21:00] <fsphil> (thanks to google for that btw ;-)
[21:00] <natrium42> Lunar_Lander: use a proper irc client :P
[21:01] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:02] <Lunar_Lander> Ñòðàòîñòàò
[21:05] <Lunar_Lander> :D
[21:05] <Lunar_Lander> xD fsphil btw
[21:06] <Zuph> ;03>40@O Google, O 7=0N @CAA:89!
[21:06] <fsphil> yoo
[21:06] <fsphil> lol
[21:10] <natrium42> :D
[21:11] <Laurenceb> in soviet russia, irc uses you
[21:13] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[22:24] <Lunar_Lander> it is friday evening idle time
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[22:56] <Lunar_Lander> hi juxta_
[22:56] <juxta_> hi Lunar_Lander
[22:56] <Lunar_Lander> how's life?
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[23:08] <MrCraig> spaced is on dave
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[23:12] <Lunar_Lander> what does it mean MrCraig ?
[23:13] <MrCraig> comedy show called spaced is running on tv channel called dave.
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[23:13] <Lunar_Lander> ah cool
[23:13] <MrCraig> or rather, it's just half way through now so worth watching on dave ja vu (the +1 channel)
[23:13] <Lunar_Lander> ah
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[23:50] <jcoxon> ping Zuph
[23:51] <NigeyS> pff women = headache
[23:51] <NigeyS> hows your back James ?
[23:52] <Zuph> pong jcoxon
[23:52] <jcoxon> still bad
[23:52] <jcoxon> Zuph, want me to write a GPS demo for you
[23:52] <jcoxon> ?
[23:52] <NigeyS> dam :( hope you're ok soon
[23:52] <Zuph> GPS demo?
[23:52] <jcoxon> gps simulator
[23:53] <Zuph> ah. No, because I can't predict Dan's whims and wouldn't hazard a guess that would waste us all time :-p
[23:53] <jcoxon> haha
[23:53] <jcoxon> fair enough
[23:53] <Zuph> For some reason, Dan seems to think our balloon will go insane when it crosses the prime meridian, so he wants a simulator he can steer.
[23:54] <Upu> Evening
[23:54] <NigeyS> hey Upu
[23:54] <jcoxon> i'd hope you'd struck land by then!
[23:54] <Upu> Hey question for you. You put a Centos box on the internet with no firewall and set the root password to password. How long before it gets "got" ?
[23:55] <NigeyS> hmm, give it a few hours, maybe a day
[23:55] <Upu> yeah I said 8 hours
[23:55] <Upu> they got it in 4
[23:55] <Upu> :)
[23:55] <Upu> it was in a VM
[23:55] <jcoxon> unfortuantely we've had this problem before considering we launch at 52.01, 0.09
[23:55] <jcoxon> Upu, 1minute
[23:55] <Upu> just did it out of interest
[23:55] <NigeyS> lol crazy!
[23:55] <jcoxon> hehe
[23:56] <Upu> we were watching it they installed VNC and started opened a SSH tunnel
[23:56] <Upu> so we killed it
[23:56] <jcoxon> proper honeypot then
[23:56] <Zuph> jcoxon: We don't have any logic on our balloon which depends on location. It just tells us where it is :-p
[23:56] <Upu> well didn't want to leave it going, I'd throttled the bandwidth back on the firewall but they could be going to any site/doing anything
[23:57] <jcoxon> Zuph, check your GPS conversion code
[23:57] <Zuph> Floats, all the way down.
[23:57] <jcoxon> the conversion sometimes throughs an upset
[23:57] <jcoxon> throws*
[23:57] <jcoxon> i'm sure you are all set
[23:57] <jcoxon> why don't you just run some of our sim data through - we cross the meridian every flight
[23:58] <jcoxon> http://wiki.ukhas.org.uk/code:emulator
[23:58] <fsphil> Upu, latest version - updated?
[23:59] <Upu> Aye was Centos 5.5 fully patched
[23:59] <Upu> root password was password though :)
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