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[00:12] <MrCraig> night a;;
[00:12] <MrCraig> all*
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[05:17] <griffonbot> @LVL1WhiteStar: ORBCOMM rocks, GlobalGrams might get us thru the arctic route. We're trying to avoid the NAT airline routes, and it's tough to do. #arhab [http://twitter.com/LVL1WhiteStar/status/47889117261996032]
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[08:41] <earthshine> morning
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[08:56] <fsphil> really early in the morning ...
[08:58] <fsphil> a nice thick fog here today
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[09:24] <earthshine> foggy here too
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[12:39] <GroupO> hey guys, i wonder if you can advise? i have been trying to get my FSA03 to parse strings, but had to get avoltage reg
[12:40] <GroupO> now when i attach it all up it doesnt respond correctly, just puts out empty srting
[12:40] <GroupO> *strings
[12:40] <GroupO> i was told to ground it, but not sure if i did it right, any ideas?
[12:42] <fsphil> how is it connected up now?
[12:43] <GroupO> 3 batteries, via a volt reg powering the unit
[12:43] <GroupO> rx/tx ino the arduino mega
[12:43] <GroupO> i have grounded the volt reg into the grnd on the arduino power
[12:45] <fsphil> the batteries fully charged?
[12:45] <GroupO> putting out 4.7v
[12:46] <fsphil> what's coming out of the vreg?
[12:46] <fsphil> (when it's running the gps)
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[12:48] <GroupO> 3.29
[12:48] <GroupO> v
[12:51] <fsphil> all's good. so you've got the gnd pin of the vreg connected ot the gnd on the arduino board?
[12:52] <GroupO> as far as i can tell - before i connect the gnd i get strings oe empty data, once i connect it i dont even get those empty strings anymore
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[12:55] <fsphil> but it works ok if powered from the arduino board?
[12:56] <GroupO> i will give me the strings - but wont locate any sattelites
[12:56] <GroupO> nightmare
[13:02] <GroupO> well...now its failing on the board
[13:02] <GroupO> fml
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[13:26] <GW8RAK> http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/02/16/going-bananas-over-radiation/
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[13:59] <fsphil> I always though Bananas looked suspicious
[14:00] <Darkside> suspiciously tasty?
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[14:34] <SamSilver> What we need is a vacuum balloon, a vacuum filled shell. Much better than even a ZP balloon.
[14:36] <SamSilver> temp will not affect it
[14:36] <SamSilver> will auto float
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[14:38] <SamSilver> should be easy enough, fill a latex balloon, crystallize the latex, suck it empty. QED!!!!
[14:39] <SpeedEvil> It should be possible with a carbon fibre shell with a reticulated lattice.
[14:39] <SamSilver> Speed you seem very handy around the house
[14:39] <SamSilver> lol
[14:40] <SpeedEvil> Unfortunately not.
[14:40] <SpeedEvil> Way too little energy.
[14:40] <SpeedEvil> Everything goes hideously slowly.
[14:41] <SamSilver> how is it going with the insulating?
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[14:44] <SpeedEvil> Slowly.
[14:44] <SpeedEvil> The masses of tarps are to put the stuff out of half of the house in, while insulating.
[14:45] <SamSilver> what you using as insulating material?
[14:45] <SpeedEvil> Kingspan.
[14:46] <SamSilver> oh yes ou said
[14:46] <SpeedEvil> And Knauf Factoryclad fibreglass - both from ebay
[14:46] <SamSilver> you
[14:47] <SamSilver> rather you tha me mate
[14:47] <SamSilver> than
[14:48] <SpeedEvil> It's regrettably a shitload of work.
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[14:48] <SpeedEvil> It would be so much easier with a cavity
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[14:50] <SamSilver> so many things are
[14:50] <SamSilver> ....
[14:51] <SamSilver> Mythbusters - Jammie says things can never have too much lube.
[14:52] <SamSilver> Will the whitestar rig have a CW beacon?
[14:52] <SamSilver> RTTY?
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[15:12] <eroomde> Dan-K2VOL: ping
[15:12] <NigeyS> http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1575836
[15:12] <NigeyS> :@:@
[15:12] <NigeyS> hey eroomde
[15:27] <SamSilver> cheers later
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[15:37] <GroupO> any ideas: using NTX2 - can i just power that straight from the 3.3v pin in a mega 2560 or do i need to regulate/scale output in any way?
[15:40] <Laurenceb_> tsr eh
[15:41] <Laurenceb_> lol brian cox
[15:41] <NigeyS> GroupO, the ntx2 has an internal regulator so the 3.3v pin will be fine
[15:41] <NigeyS> laurenceb he won 2 awards last night to
[15:41] <GroupO> cool - cos i am having nightmares. I think i have just fried my FSA03
[15:41] <GroupO> :(
[15:42] <NigeyS> what did you do ?
[15:42] <GroupO> i think i shorted the volt reg - because i tested the Vout of it and it seems too high
[15:43] <GroupO> I thne plugged the FSA back into the arduino and it wouldnt respond (ACK resonse check)
[15:43] <GroupO> where as it had previously
[15:43] <NigeyS> eek
[15:44] <GroupO> indeed - however, all it not lost - i got a pack of 10 regs and a back up gps for a tenner extra
[15:44] <GroupO> seems totlaly worthwhile now - just getting it soldered at the no'
[15:44] <NigeyS> :d the gps units are extremely sensitive to over volting
[15:44] <GroupO> think i will hand all electrical responsibilities over at this point, though
[15:44] <GroupO> NigeyS: tell me about it
[15:45] <NigeyS> just dont plug the tx from the arduino in to the gps rx unles youve stepped down the voltage, it'll still send 5v to the falcom if you dont step it down to 3.3
[15:46] <fsphil> I think the ublox is 5v tolerant
[15:46] <Laurenceb_> whats the voltage?
[15:46] <GroupO> it seemed ok yday, when it did
[15:46] <Laurenceb_> was
[15:46] <NigeyS> you sure?
[15:46] <GroupO> but, it didnt allow the strings send properly
[15:46] <GroupO> when it was grounded to the arduino it worked fine though
[15:47] <fsphil> not certain though
[15:47] <GroupO> i just managed to effectively take an electrical sledgehammer to the whole thing
[15:47] <NigeyS> if all youre doing is reading in the nmea strings you dont even need the arduinos Tx pin connected to the gps
[15:48] <fsphil> it needs to be put into aviation mode
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[15:48] <NigeyS> ohhhh yeah forgot that
[15:48] <GroupO> yeh, we switch some of the capability off as well
[15:48] <NigeyS> im guessing the falcoms dont save the setting phil ?
[15:49] <fsphil> not without the battery backup I don't think
[15:49] <NigeyS> ouch thats a pita
[15:49] <fsphil> it's safer to send it each time anyway
[15:49] <fsphil> less chance of it getting it wrong
[15:49] <NigeyS> true
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[15:51] <fsphil> GroupO, you might be wise getting a converter to shift the 5v ttl to 3.3v ttl
[15:51] <fsphil> before you plug in another gps
[15:51] <fsphil> just incase it was that that fried it
[15:51] <NigeyS> logic level converter ftw!
[15:51] <fsphil> googling around, some ublox5 boards are tolerant and some are not
[15:52] <GroupO> sure - whats a ttl?
[15:52] <fsphil> fsa03 datasheet doesn't say eitherway
[15:52] <GroupO> fsphil: what have others done in the past with a ntx2 with reagrds to the tx?
[15:52] <fsphil> transistor-transistor logic (hehe, I had to look that up - didn't know myself)
[15:53] <GroupO> lol, just testing you.... ;)
[15:53] <GroupO> nawt
[15:53] <NigeyS> lol
[15:53] <fsphil> They've either left out the TX pin, or used a small circuit to convert it
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[15:53] <fsphil> sparkfun have a module I think
[15:54] <NigeyS> http://www.coolcomponents.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=194
[15:54] <fsphil> or use a microcontroller than runs at 3.3v :)
[15:54] <GroupO> is there a cheap and cheerful alternative?
[15:54] <fsphil> you might be able to use a resistor divider
[15:54] <GroupO> NigeyS: cheers
[15:55] <GroupO> i will need to ask the eee guy if he has any parts he can use
[15:55] <GroupO> my time is getting extremely compressed
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[16:02] <fsphil> too much gravity
[16:03] <NigeyS> help him, he may turn in to a black hole!
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[16:04] <GroupO> it feels like that is what is happening to my head...this was a mistake undertaking this with no experience when a majority of my masters graed relies on it...
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[16:06] <fsphil> these things usually all come together at the last minute :)
[16:08] <GroupO> i hope, but if it doesnt - i feel i know who the group will be blaming
[16:15] <Randomskk> GroupO: it's academia, you get as many points for failing and exploring why as you do for succeeding and exploring why
[16:16] <GroupO> Randomskk: Yeh, I hope. I would just like it to succeed. There are tonnes of examples where it has, my problem is that I don't understand programming or electronics, so i have to all this from scratch
[16:16] <Randomskk> what is your masters in?
[16:17] <GroupO> mechanical engineering
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[16:18] <fsphil> drat, someone already got the VIM intermediate callsign
[16:19] <fsphil> oh wait, I just typed it in wrong
[16:20] <fsphil> woo, I has 2I0VIM
[16:26] <LazyLeopard> ;)
[16:26] <fsphil> I was trying to think of something other than VIM, but I've kinda got used to it
[16:27] <LazyLeopard> Yeah, it's weird the way they specify it. 20xxx...
[16:28] <LazyLeopard> I never used my 2E0 on air, and got quite confused trying to switch from M6 to M0 'cos I was used to the 6...
[16:28] <Randomskk> I never used my M6 or my 2E0 on air
[16:29] <Randomskk> but I haven't really gotten used to my M0 either :P
[16:29] <fsphil> I'll probably still use my MI6, until I get a better radio anyway
[16:29] <fsphil> at least know I can build one :)
[16:29] <fsphil> -k
[16:29] <Randomskk> :P do it
[16:30] <LazyLeopard> ...and get going on that Advanced book. ;)
[16:30] <fsphil> and play with the ghz stuff
[16:30] <fsphil> I've got the book already :p
[16:30] <Randomskk> how do you play with any ghz stuff?
[16:30] <fsphil> it's scary stuff
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[16:30] <Randomskk> I am a bit interested but it seems to basically be expensive and with rubbish propagation unless you already know who you want to talk to
[16:30] <fsphil> microwaves at the moment
[16:30] <Randomskk> plus you need like microwave sources and waveguides and things
[16:31] <fsphil> the gunn diode trick seems to be a nifty way of getting on 10ghz
[16:32] <fsphil> propagation does seem really odd
[16:32] <fsphil> but then it's odd on HF too, just more common :)
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[16:45] <fsphil> hehe, emailed the club about the advanced exam. I gotta be mad
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[17:51] <MrCraig> Evening all
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[18:08] <MrCraig> Is this correct? A latitude,N is positive and ,S is negative? So I can simply read the string data and pump it with the correct sign into the HAB protocol string?
[18:09] <fsphil> yep yep
[18:10] <fsphil> longitude is negative for west, positive for east
[18:11] <MrCraig> Thanks fsphil
[18:12] <MrCraig> I'm just working on the hab protocol output now, with a little luck this evening or tomorrow I'll finally get to solder up the flight computer. (In a bit of a panic because of the deadline I've imposed on myself now)
[18:13] <MrCraig> Just over three weeks to go until launch day and the software's not even tested on live hardware yet :-/
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[18:13] <fsphil> as long as you don't leave it to the night before
[18:14] <fsphil> or that morning :)
[18:15] <MrCraig> well aside from the fact that I wouldn't want to - I can't, I'm going to be at my folks place from the 4th, so really only have 2 weeks - ack!
[18:15] <MrCraig> I know you've done some last minuters
[18:16] <MrCraig> if the components and cables I've ordered arrive this week - I'll be range testing at the weekend.
[18:16] <MrCraig> I could use some help from volunteers for that - and volunteers to help track would be welcomed also.
[18:17] <fsphil> I'm always up or a bit of distant tracking.
[18:17] <MrCraig> :-)
[18:18] <MrCraig> oh that's another question. I've not yet received anything in digifligi ( :-P ) - can you tell me more about how that data can be translated to google mapped data?
[18:18] <fsphil> the dl version captures the strings it receives and uploads them to the map automatically
[18:19] <MrCraig> who hosts that map?
[18:20] <MrCraig> Do I need to beg someone to let me use their stuff - or do I install something on my own server?
[18:20] <fsphil> natrium42 hosts the map, rjharrison does the listener server
[18:21] <MrCraig> ok - so it's best to talk to each of these prior to launch and bribe with custard creams.
[18:24] <MrCraig> I'm going to run out and capture some wilder beast to eat, or better yet, purchase some pre-captured and cooked :-) be back in 15 or so. Thanks fsphil
[18:24] <fsphil> mmmm, fresh meat
[18:25] <MrCraig> yeah kebab tonight
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[18:47] <W0OTM> Howdy
[18:48] <MrCraig> howdy
[18:48] <W0OTM> whats going on in the HAB world
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[19:01] <NigeyS> hey W0OTM not alot by the looks of it lol
[19:07] <W0OTM> LOL
[19:08] <W0OTM> its a beautiful day in Iowa
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[19:08] <W0OTM> working on the bench building my cutdown circuit
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[19:16] <NigeyS> nicey!
[19:16] <NigeyS> evening James
[19:17] <jcoxon> evening
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[20:05] <NigeyS> meh forgot how much fun courier was to set up
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[21:03] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[21:05] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[21:05] <W0OTM> Hello
[21:06] <SpeedEvil> hello
[21:06] <W0OTM> Hello
[21:06] <jcoxon> hmmm i seem to have found a difference between atmega168 and atmega328
[21:06] <jcoxon> very strange
[21:07] <NigeyS> oh?
[21:07] <jcoxon> yeah my code works on a arduino pro 168 but not a arduino mini pro 328
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[21:08] <NigeyS> hmm thats a bit weird
[21:09] <NigeyS> evening mattltm , Lunar_Lander
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[21:09] <mattltm> Hey Nigey.
[21:10] <Lunar_Lander> hello mattltm, NigeyS
[21:11] <mattltm> Howdy Lunar
[21:13] <NigeyS> eeeek anyone installed win7 sp1 yet ?
[21:13] <mattltm> No. Not brave enough :P
[21:14] <NigeyS> haha got windows update moaning about it, no thankoo!!
[21:14] <mattltm> After you Nirwy :)
[21:14] <mattltm> *Nigey
[21:14] <NigeyS> thanks, you're all heart :P
[21:14] <Lunar_Lander> today I did much research in the Quarterly Journal of the Royal Meteorological Society
[21:15] <Lunar_Lander> and other papers
[21:15] <mattltm> No probs, It's not like I have a few boxes I could test it on :)
[21:15] <Lunar_Lander> there are some really nice papers about balloon experiments
[21:15] <NigeyS> good point, go chuck it on a spare box and let me know how many grey hairs you get? :P
[21:15] <mattltm> lol
[21:15] <NigeyS> Lunar_Lander, yes, you'd be surprised
[21:16] <NigeyS> btw matt, what's the refresh interval on your dns servers ?
[21:16] <Lunar_Lander> I found something about an automatic sampler, air electricity experiments and so on
[21:17] <Lunar_Lander> I think that we can make instruments with high accuracy
[21:17] <Lunar_Lander> the researchers from the past also had instruments they built themselves
[21:17] <Lunar_Lander> they did not drop from the sky for them
[21:18] <mattltm> Our own DNS servers? We notify on change.
[21:18] <mattltm> But that is for internal use only.
[21:18] <mattltm> We dont provide DNS services for clients.
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[21:19] <mattltm> You got a problem Nigey?
[21:20] <NigeyS> ahh oki, yeah ive got a non updating domain, its beginning to annoy me
[21:20] <mattltm> Whats the domain name?
[21:20] <NigeyS> ch-hangar.com
[21:20] <NigeyS> its fine with a local nslookup but externals are bringing up old address
[21:21] <mattltm> Ewwwwww. Taw Hosting!
[21:21] <NigeyS> dont go there
[21:21] <NigeyS> it doesnt exist..lol
[21:21] <mattltm> lol
[21:22] <mattltm> Get the domain moved to 123-reg
[21:22] <NigeyS> if was a little offshoot to inject some money into the radio station i ran back in 2003
[21:22] <mattltm> They have 5 min refresh.
[21:22] <NigeyS> wonder what enoms is then
[21:23] <mattltm> http://www.opendns.com/support/cache/
[21:23] <mattltm> Useful tool.
[21:23] <NigeyS> ahh merci
[21:23] <mattltm> Enom is 12 hours.
[21:23] <NigeyS> blimey
[21:24] <mattltm> That sucks ass.
[21:24] <mattltm> Your could change your local hosts file if you want to test that the site works.
[21:25] <NigeyS> yeah ive done that, seems fine, just odd thats its taking longer than usual to update externally
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[21:26] <mattltm> I cant access the site from here. Server fail error.
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[21:27] <NigeyS> oh yey
[21:28] <mattltm> maps to 67.215.66.132
[21:29] <NigeyS> yup, thats the old server
[21:29] <NigeyS> wonder if bind really did restart
[21:29] <mattltm> Nigey, one thing I have learnt from my time in the DC is that sometimes, at times like this, a VERY LARGE HAMMER is the only solution.
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[21:30] <NigeyS> im very close to that believe me! lol
[21:33] <NigeyS> there we go
[21:33] <NigeyS> Non-authoritative answer:
[21:33] <NigeyS> Name: ch-hangar.com
[21:33] <NigeyS> Address: 46.18.14.16
[21:34] <Lunar_Lander> but IBM says that you shouldn't use a hammer?
[21:34] <NigeyS> lol
[21:34] <mattltm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fsz7ZqqqYak
[21:35] <mattltm> Thats what I'm like when one of our core routers crash!
[21:36] <NigeyS> haha i bet
[21:36] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[21:36] <Lunar_Lander> you know what car we need to get for our balloon chases?
[21:36] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[21:37] <mattltm> Lunar: Thomas Watson, Chairman of IBM also said "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers. "
[21:37] <mattltm> IBatmobile?
[21:37] <Lunar_Lander> DeLorean :)
[21:38] <mattltm> Yay!
[21:38] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[21:38] <Lunar_Lander> then we can also search the payloads from the air
[21:38] <mattltm> lol
[21:39] <MrCraig> I randomly clicked on mattltm's previously posted link and have gone from deep in programming thought to ... o.O disturbed.
[21:39] <NigeyS> lmao
[21:40] <mattltm> Sorry :)
[21:40] <MrCraig> lol
[21:40] <mattltm> That will teach you to accept links frrom strangers :)
[21:40] <MrCraig> friend sent me this one today http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5eVpRzvbmg shocking but I'm in support of the slammer
[21:41] <Laurenceb> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSjK2Oqrgic
[21:41] <mattltm> Painfull
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[21:49] <natrium42> hi juxta
[21:50] <juxta> morning natrium42
[21:50] <natrium42> how goes?
[21:50] <natrium42> did you have any luck cloning the tracker?
[21:50] <juxta> good thanks
[21:50] <juxta> yes - cloned the tracker OK, doing the listener too
[21:51] <juxta> though the tracker was using $HTTP_GET_VARS which seems to be deprecated and disabled in my php install
[21:51] <natrium42> ah, yes
[21:53] <mattltm> Only 7 minutes until the funcube dongle is avaliable :)
[21:54] <jcoxon> mattltm, hehe
[21:54] <jcoxon> i am certainly tempted
[21:54] <mattltm> Im going to try and get one :)
[21:54] <natrium42> funcube dongle?
[21:54] <mattltm> http://www.funcubedongle.com/?page_id=2
[21:54] <natrium42> what sites are you looking at again, mattltm ?
[21:54] <jcoxon> mattltm, don't tell anyone else!
[21:54] <mattltm> lol.
[21:55] <mattltm> Natrium: The kind of sites the end up with restraining orders being issued :p
[21:56] <natrium42> hehe
[21:57] <Laurenceb> oh more dongles?
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[21:57] Action: Laurenceb is unsure if it actually works well
[21:57] <Laurenceb> people have used it for HAB Rx so its got to be faily good
[21:57] <Laurenceb> *fairly
[21:58] <Laurenceb> would be nice if it had more bandwidth too
[21:58] <mattltm> Bandwidth seems to be the main gripe that users have.
[22:00] <Laurenceb> yeah, i dont see how it can be RFI resistant
[22:01] <jcoxon> sold out :-(
[22:01] <Laurenceb> those DVBT front ends always say to use at least a SAW on the front
[22:01] <mattltm> Jup. That was super fast.
[22:01] <natrium42> u got pwned
[22:01] <jcoxon> it was in pratical wireless recently
[22:01] <jcoxon> mattltm, success?
[22:01] <Laurenceb> wow, crazy fast
[22:01] <Laurenceb> jcoxon: thats a HAM magazine?
[22:01] <jcoxon> yes
[22:01] <Laurenceb> ill try and read it
[22:02] <natrium42> why don't they have it fabbed?
[22:02] <mattltm> It was in my basket... Changed the delivery address to a stored address and now sold out!
[22:02] <jcoxon> i had to change my postal address which slowed me down
[22:02] <Laurenceb> the design is closed
[22:02] <jcoxon> yes
[22:02] <mattltm> Dam :(
[22:02] <jcoxon> thats what i did
[22:02] <jcoxon> natrium42, they are about to fab 500 up
[22:02] <juxta> who ended up getting one?
[22:02] <natrium42> i mean, fab them in china
[22:02] <natrium42> where labour is cheap
[22:03] <mattltm> There must have been about 2!
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[22:05] <mattltm> Maybe it's Karma? I did resolve to send the cash to the Japan effort if I didn't manage to get a funcube dongle.
[22:06] <MrCraig> Has anyone ever come across a GPGGA string that spits altitude in anything other than meters?
[22:06] <jcoxon> MrCraig, no
[22:07] <MrCraig> thanks jcoxon
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[22:10] <jcoxon> nmea is pretty strict
[22:12] <mattltm> Maplin sucks :(
[22:13] <MrCraig> Maplin does sucks - they used to be legend, but now they sucks
[22:13] <mattltm> yup.
[22:13] <natrium42> lol --> http://www.reddit.com/r/nihilism
[22:13] <mattltm> Where can I get a BC547 next day delivery?
[22:14] <MrCraig> you could try RS
[22:14] <mattltm> natrium: Blank page?
[22:15] <mattltm> Duh. I get it!
[22:15] <mattltm> lol
[22:15] <natrium42> ...
[22:15] <natrium42> :D
[22:15] <mattltm> Its late :p
[22:17] <juxta> mattltm, did you manage to nab a dongle?
[22:17] <mattltm> Nope :(
[22:17] <juxta> they seemed to sell out super quick
[22:17] <LazyLeopard> how quickly did they sell out this time?
[22:17] <mattltm> It was in my basket, changed my shipping address, hit the pay button and got the sold out message :(
[22:17] <juxta> inside of 30 secs I think LazyLeopard
[22:17] <mattltm> Inside 15 seconds.
[22:17] <Darkside> mattltm: *exactly* the same here
[22:18] <Darkside> i had to change my address
[22:18] <jcoxon> oh well
[22:18] <Darkside> im going to change my default address i think..
[22:18] <jcoxon> next time perhaps
[22:18] <mattltm> Lol - same here
[22:18] <juxta> yeah, I changed my default address beforehand
[22:18] <jcoxon> juxta, did you get one?
[22:18] <juxta> yeah
[22:18] <natrium42> it's like sparkfun free day without the free :/
[22:19] <juxta> natrium42, pretty much :)
[22:19] <mattltm> lol
[22:19] <jcoxon> jealous
[22:19] <jcoxon> mattltm, by the time it ships to juxta we'll have one
[22:19] <juxta> I'll chop it into little bits and everyone can have a piece
[22:19] <mattltm> lol
[22:19] <juxta> haha
[22:19] <juxta> they've changed to fedex it seems
[22:19] <juxta> so it should be a couple of days
[22:20] <natrium42> juxta: you should get a blendtec blender
[22:20] <juxta> good idea
[22:20] <mattltm> Lol
[22:20] <Darkside> WILL IT BLEND
[22:20] Action: Darkside whistles the theme song
[22:20] <natrium42> funbox dongle fumes! don't breathe those in
[22:20] <Darkside> there, now everyone can have part of a funcube dongle!
[22:20] <juxta> this comes to mind
[22:20] <juxta> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nsNqbaAFuE
[22:21] <mattltm> funbox dongle? Now that does sound like one of my court orders :p
[22:21] <MrCraig> duh - doing error checking on a function that doesn't return an error condition is probably the stupidest bug I've ever spent an hour on.
[22:21] <Lunar_Lander> ah hello natrium42 Darkside juxta
[22:21] <juxta> hello Lunar_Lander
[22:21] <natrium42> hello Mr. Lunar_Lander , sir
[22:21] <Lunar_Lander> thanks :)
[22:22] <Darkside> juxta: looooool
[22:22] <Darkside> ok, back later
[22:23] <mattltm> Hahaha!
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[22:39] <MrCraig> for xor checksum, I simply xor the first character with the second, and then xor each subsequent character with the result of the previous xor?
[22:39] <jcoxon> MrCraig, example code on the wiki
[22:40] <jcoxon> http://wiki.ukhas.org.uk/communication:protocol
[22:41] <MrCraig> jcoxon: I see it but one piece of syntax I'm unfamiliar with and it's the bit that counts. XOR ^= c; - I'm a delphi developer by trade, I've studied c/c++in the past but don't recall ever seeing an ^= operator?
[22:42] <jcoxon> itsn't that a bitwise XOR
[22:42] <MrCraig> oh wait - sorry - I just realized that XOR in that code is a variable (that'd be the keyword in delphi) and ^= is xor (found it on wiki-p)
[22:43] <MrCraig> thanks jcoxon :-)
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[23:27] <MSP_> Evening all
[23:28] <MrCraig> Should the fact that writing an int-to-hex function in pic assembler reminds me of 6510 assembler in my youth make me smile or regret my misspent youth? *scratches head*
[23:28] <MrCraig> hi MSP
[23:29] <MSP_> just checking in ;)
[23:29] <MrCraig> Good deal :-)
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[23:30] <MSP_> picked up a cheapy android phone, thought it might be a good redundancy comms with gps
[23:33] <MrCraig> I picked up a bluetooth keyboard for my android yesterday - I can now IRC from anywhere!
[23:33] <MSP_> Cool... I think ;)
[23:34] <MrCraig> only some bluetooth keybs work with android and you need either the manufacturers driver (meaning a new keyb model because they don't write drivers for the older ones) or a third party, of which one sux and the other only supports about 4 keyboards. I happened to buy one of those supported by 3rd party.
[23:34] <MrCraig> yeah it's cool hehe - most people in this room are probably at work at the time I'm at star bucks being pretentious with my android and keyboard over a lunch.
[23:34] <MSP_> and its all working?
[23:34] <MrCraig> it's all working great.
[23:35] <MSP_> Nice!!!
[23:35] <MSP_> you - pretentiouis- perish the thought :P
[23:35] <MrCraig> I even installed my delphi compatible compiler on the phone so I can work on a virtual machine project for kicks when I'm stuck on a train or something hehe
[23:36] <MrCraig> oh believe me, 18 months ago I was living among minor celebs and the like up in belsize park (of course I couldn't really afford to live there) but pretentious I got down pat.
[23:36] <MSP_> its all i could do to get mine switched on and download an app
[23:37] <MrCraig> it's that bad? eww
[23:37] <MrCraig> Xperia X10i - 1Ghz chip is pretty sweet actually.
[23:37] <MSP_> nah, lol, just learning new interface logic, not used android before
[23:37] <MSP_> mine was 40 quid
[23:37] <MSP_> so can't complain
[23:37] <MrCraig> yeah that's a good price for a droid
[23:38] <MSP_> innit tho
[23:38] <MrCraig> innit!
[23:38] <MrCraig> lol
[23:38] <MSP_> ebay, slight mark on screen, no prob for me as im not really too bothered about it
[23:39] <MSP_> lol, am gonna send up to n/space and drop it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[23:39] <MrCraig> http://www.androidtapp.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/How-Android-iPhone-and-Blackberry-Users-See-Themselves-550x777.jpg
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[23:39] <MrCraig> lol - well you saw the recent Windows Mobile 7 in space right?
[23:39] Action: SpeedEvil stabs Elop.
[23:40] <MrCraig> I'd love to see one with a slogan "Hi Mr Gates, I saw the Mobile 7 in space, recognised the problem, and replaced it with linux."
[23:41] <MSP_> sorry was just laughin at image... just remind me about win7 one?
[23:41] <MrCraig> http://bit.ly/g8yKuj  && http://bit.ly/g0Fhsh  <- win 7
[23:47] <MSP_> ahh yes, have been away and am just getting back into swing of things
[23:48] <MSP_> thanks for the links mrcraig :)
[23:48] <MrCraig> np - I should have used them as an oppo to plug my twitter :-P
[23:49] <MSP_> lol, have only just started dipping my toe back in the tweet water after a long dry spell
[23:50] <MrCraig> yeah - to be honest I only use mine to post blog updates - using tweet deck to post to twitter, facebook, linkedin, buzz all at the same time means that I never actually have to log on to any of them and can let anyone who cares know when I make a new post.
[23:51] <MSP_> woah, proper social media mogul
[23:52] <MSP_> lol, guess that what tweetdeck and such are good at tho
[23:52] <MrCraig> not exactly - brutally transparent is what I am. I'm trying to build a small network of followers / friends on the social networks since I saw a presentation on how it can boost your career at a developer group meeting :-P
[23:53] <MrCraig> That and I think a HAB, especially a first attempt, is blogworthy.
[23:53] <SpeedEvil> Fair enough.
[23:53] <MSP_> Hmmm... interesting
[23:54] <MSP_> Well this is my first HAB
[23:55] <MSP_> what line of work are you in?
[23:55] <MrCraig> I'm a software developer for the telecoms industry.
[23:56] <MrCraig> I work on a network optimization product that's used on some major networks.
[23:56] <MSP_> blimey!
[23:56] <MrCraig> it's not so special as it sounds honestly.
[23:56] <MSP_> are we talking voip stuff
[23:56] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=fNJWkZL_cp0#t=1315s
[23:56] <SpeedEvil> Voice over GSM
[23:56] <SpeedEvil> Err
[23:57] <SpeedEvil> Encrypted voice over GSM-voice
[23:58] <MSP_> right chaps... to be continued, need to move... As you were
[23:58] <MSP_> lol, g'nite
[23:58] <SpeedEvil> WAve.
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[23:58] <MrCraig> Erm, well the vendors would handle voip - we serve software to the vendors. For example, the product I work on is an analysis reporting and network optimization tool used by AT&T, I work on the front end which reports the data. The back end is our product also, and is running on the largest rack mount oracle database in the world. That all sounds impressive but what it really means is, I write SQL queries into ei
[23:59] <MrCraig> Goodnight MSP
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