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[09:28] <Upu> DanielRichman you about ?
[09:28] <Upu> morning btw
[09:28] <Upu> can someone refresh my memory on what the mailing list is for Nessie admin thanks
[09:33] <fsphil> ukhas-tools?
[09:36] <Upu> yup that looks good
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[09:39] <Upu> We're writing to let you know that the group you tried to contact (ukhas-tools) may not exist, or you may not have permission to post messages to the group. A few more details on why you weren't able to post:
[09:39] <Upu> or not
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[09:41] <fsphil> eek
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[09:42] <fsphil> now that you mention it, there's been nothing on the list for a month now
[09:42] <Upu> let me just check again
[09:43] <Upu> that works
[09:43] <fsphil> that's done it
[09:44] <Upu> thought it was done from my gmail account seems not
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[09:54] <Dooberry> Morn.
[10:00] Action: fsphil still no wake up
[10:01] <Dooberry> c'mon phil, Jeremy Kyle's on.
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[10:07] <juxta> ping natrium42
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[11:33] <Laurenceb_> http://www.eissq.com/ps3_move/
[11:33] <Laurenceb_> interesting - uses kionix magno
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[13:51] <Laurenceb_> http://components.arrow.com/part/link/ce/en/LSM303DLHTR/STMicroelectronics
[13:51] <Laurenceb_> shiney
[13:54] <SpeedEvil> Not too spendy either.
[13:55] <Laurenceb_> mouser have it listed as NRND now :S
[13:55] <SpeedEvil> Though I forget how arrow worked out for shipping.
[13:55] <SpeedEvil> :/
[13:55] <Laurenceb_> tho i suspect it may be as they cant get any stock
[13:55] <Laurenceb_> ST say "active"
[13:55] <Laurenceb_> i have three free samples
[13:56] <SpeedEvil> Done anything withthem yet?
[13:57] <Laurenceb_> no, ive got most of the parts to populate the board
[13:57] <Laurenceb_> need to order from mouser still
[13:57] <Laurenceb_> im thinking of usiong hot air + tweezers + solder paste, rather than finishing my reflow oven
[13:57] <Laurenceb_> oh RS have it too - http://uk.rs-online.com/web/search/searchBrowseAction.html?method=retrieveTfg&binCount=1&Nty=1&Ntx=mode%2bmatchallpartial&Ntk=I18NAll&Ne=4294957561&Nr=AND%28avl%3auk%2csearchDiscon_uk%3aN%29&N=4294611728&Ntt=lsm303dlh
[13:58] <SpeedEvil> Interesting.
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[13:59] <Laurenceb_> the SFE eval board is fail, and this makes the same mistake http://www.pololu.com/catalog/product/1250
[14:00] <Laurenceb_> http://www.digikey.com/us/en/ph/st/inemo.html <-im very tempted by that
[14:01] <SpeedEvil> Interesting.
[14:02] <Laurenceb_> the board, not the competition
[14:02] <SpeedEvil> Aren't you an engineering stude?
[14:02] <Laurenceb_> yes
[14:02] <Laurenceb_> pity its not quite right for UAV
[14:03] <Laurenceb_> - no RF/GPS or servo interfaces
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[14:03] <Laurenceb_> http://media.digikey.com/Photos/STMicro%20Photos/STEVAL-MKI062V2.jpg
[14:04] <SpeedEvil> yeah - seems limited IO
[14:04] <SpeedEvil> external at least
[14:04] <Laurenceb_> would be a pain to hack servos, rf and gps on
[14:06] <Laurenceb_> i dont believe it - http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=497-11071-2-ND
[14:07] <Laurenceb_> it exists
[14:07] <SpeedEvil> http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=497-10666-ND I guess you mean
[14:07] <SpeedEvil> Wjhat's nice about it?
[14:08] <SpeedEvil> Especially
[14:08] <Laurenceb_> low drift with temperature, and low noise
[14:08] <SpeedEvil> ah
[14:08] <Laurenceb_> iirc its slightly better than the itg-3200
[14:08] <Laurenceb_> the temperature sensor is quite bad tho
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[14:09] <Laurenceb_> if you try to do proper temperature compensation they end up about the same
[14:09] <Laurenceb_> also itg-3200 is pin compatible with the invensence imu-3000, which is considerably better noise and drift wise
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[14:11] <Laurenceb_> actually no - the st three axis is the same noise as itg-3200, but less drift, but a worse temperature sensor
[14:15] <Laurenceb_> hmm so itg is better drift wise with temperature compensation, but worse without any compensation. St is slightly easier to solder and has a FIFO
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[14:37] <griffonbot> @LVL1WhiteStar: Great mission control wknd, trained European & Australian mission controllers, got MC headset audio onto Justin.tv & ustream #arhab [http://twitter.com/LVL1WhiteStar/status/47305382468665344]
[14:49] <fsphil> I first read that as "trained European & Australian monkeys"
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[16:21] <NigeyS> afternoon
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[16:24] <SamSilver> Hi NigeyS
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[16:28] <fsphil> eloo
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[16:29] <NigeyS> hey hey
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[16:44] <SamSilver> C U 2morrow
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[18:30] <Upu> pink payload apples and pears
[18:30] <Upu> Randomskk
[18:30] <Upu> :)
[18:30] <Randomskk> thanks :P
[18:30] <DanielRichman> haha :D
[18:31] <DanielRichman> Upu: about to do it. If it is of any relevance at all, I notice that the current key has 'sh-key' rather than 'ssh-key' at the beginning of one of the lines.
[18:31] <Upu> type I suspect
[18:31] <Upu> like that
[18:31] <Upu> typo
[18:32] <Upu> Adam was just verifying it came from me
[18:32] <DanielRichman> yup. Done
[18:32] <Upu> thanks
[18:32] <Upu> yeah that works
[18:32] <Upu> one day I just got up and couldnt' rememeber the digits on my key
[18:32] <Upu> gave it a week but the old grey matter isn't coming up with anything
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[18:37] <Upu> that reminds me
[18:37] <Upu> I never got a list of authorized contacts for that server in my absence
[18:37] <Upu> just two or three people who can call up the data center / attend site if needed
[18:37] <Upu> I'm off to China in 6 weeks
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[18:38] <Randomskk> I guess jon, daniel and myself? what details do you need?
[18:38] <Upu> Names (real ones, data centers don't do nicknames) phone numbers
[18:38] <Upu> I'll add you to the contacts list and mail you details on who you call should something go belly up
[18:39] <Randomskk> msg'd you
[18:39] <Upu> got it thanks
[18:39] <jonsowman> ditto
[18:39] <Upu> got it
[18:39] <jonsowman> thanks :)
[18:39] <Upu> DanielRichman ?
[18:39] <Upu> I can guess the name
[18:39] <Upu> :)
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[18:42] <Randomskk> he may be afk
[18:43] <Upu> nope got it, I'll mail you all tommorrow
[18:43] <Randomskk> ah cool
[18:43] <Randomskk> thanks :)
[18:43] <Upu> nps
[18:48] <griffonbot> Received email: Thom <thom@glow-internet.com> "[UKHAS] GSM for Telemetry"
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[19:07] <griffonbot> Received email: Marshall Dias <marshall.dias@gmail.com> "Re: [UKHAS] GSM for Telemetry"
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[19:14] <jcoxon> evening all
[19:15] <NigeyS> evening James, how's you ?
[19:16] <jcoxon> okay thanks
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[19:16] <jcoxon> and you?
[19:17] <NigeyS> i'm good thanks, nice quiet day :)
[19:17] <jcoxon> excellent
[19:17] <jcoxon> i'm making good progress with my SPoT hack
[19:17] <NigeyS> was just going to ask how it was going
[19:17] <jcoxon> yeah i've got it all breadboarded up
[19:17] <jcoxon> now going to intergrate it all
[19:18] <NigeyS> so you have completely replaced the in built gps unit for your own ?
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[19:18] <jcoxon> well i've replaced the builtin GPS with an arduino
[19:19] <jcoxon> so i can feed it any data i want as long as its in hte nmea format
[19:19] <jcoxon> the arduino gets the lat/lon from the main flight computer
[19:19] <NigeyS> ohh now that's quite a hack!
[19:19] <jcoxon> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jcoxon77/5523749907/
[19:19] <jcoxon> the arduino also has control of the buttons
[19:20] <jcoxon> and runs off the SPoTs batteries
[19:20] <NigeyS> thats pretty neat, Atlas 7 arduino pro i see there ?
[19:20] <NigeyS> &*
[19:20] <jcoxon> yup
[19:20] <jcoxon> though i'll swap the pro to a seeeduino film
[19:21] <jcoxon> so it'll sit inside the SPoT case
[19:21] <NigeyS> nice!! you've done a good job there
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[19:22] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[19:22] <NigeyS> hi Lunar
[19:23] <Lunar_Lander> how are you?
[19:24] <NigeyS> good thank's you ?
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[19:26] <Lunar_Lander> me too, thanks
[19:26] <Lunar_Lander> I think I finally understood what openlog does exactly
[19:26] <SpeedEvil> http://games.slashdot.org/story/11/03/14/1649250/Kinect-Self-Awareness-Hack :)
[19:26] <SpeedEvil> Hacking has risks.
[19:26] <Lunar_Lander> that it is programmed to write any input to the SD card automatically
[19:28] <Lunar_Lander> LOL
[19:28] <Lunar_Lander> disconnecting its power source only seems to enrage it further
[19:30] <SpeedEvil> i love the kitty.
[19:31] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:31] <Lunar_Lander> it is a bit like GLaDOS
[19:33] Nick change: kd0mto -> kd0mto|away
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[19:41] <Lunar_Lander> worst video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UmotTE-VlY
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[20:10] <W0OTM> HOLY CRAP
[20:10] <W0OTM> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UmotTE-VlY
[20:10] <W0OTM> OMG
[20:10] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:11] <Lunar_Lander> I was shown that a few minutes ago
[20:11] <Lunar_Lander> the comments flow in by the second
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[20:11] <jcoxon> OT
[20:12] <russss> speaking of kinect, check out what we made this weekend: http://www.tomscott.com/evilgenius/
[20:13] <Zuph> Afternoon, #highaltitude
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[20:16] <Lunar_Lander> hello Zuph
[20:17] <jcoxon> bbl
[20:18] <Laurenceb> trapezius++
[20:18] <Lunar_Lander> Laurenceb yesterday we discussed chemical samplers
[20:18] <Lunar_Lander> and you did the dust sampler but I thought about a air sampler first
[20:18] <Lunar_Lander> what do you think is a good container? I think something like a coke bottle won't work
[20:20] <Laurenceb> i dont quite follow
[20:20] <Laurenceb> how would you collect the dust?
[20:20] <Lunar_Lander> no sorry
[20:20] <Lunar_Lander> I meant an air sampler
[20:20] <Lunar_Lander> to get a gas sample
[20:21] <Lunar_Lander> not a dust collector
[20:21] <SpeedEvil> Tricky - how do you compress the gas.
[20:21] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:21] <Lunar_Lander> you need a pump
[20:21] <Lunar_Lander> or a vacuumized container
[20:21] <Lunar_Lander> sorry
[20:21] <Lunar_Lander> evacuated
[20:22] <Lunar_Lander> but still then, the pressure difference is small and the air won't really rush in
[20:22] <SpeedEvil> It will.
[20:22] <Lunar_Lander> but at a slower rate?
[20:22] <SpeedEvil> 10mB is very, very far from a vacuum.
[20:22] <SpeedEvil> Nooo.
[20:22] <Lunar_Lander> oh ok
[20:22] <Lunar_Lander> sorry
[20:22] <SpeedEvil> Essentially as fast as at sea level.
[20:22] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[20:22] <SpeedEvil> Purity will be another fun issue.
[20:22] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:22] <Lunar_Lander> and a good valve
[20:25] <Lunar_Lander> maybe driven by a servo that comes on at a certain time
[20:25] <Lunar_Lander> or better at a certain pressure level
[20:28] <NigeyS> wow as if japan hasn't had enough problems, now a volcano has erupted
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[20:32] <Zuph> ping jcoxon
[20:33] <NigeyS> hey Zuph
[20:33] <Zuph> hey NigeyS
[20:33] <Zuph> Enjoy the late night mission sim? :-p
[20:33] <NigeyS> oh aye, love getting to bed at 4am lol
[20:34] <NigeyS> did you manage to figure out the ballast calculations ?
[20:36] <Zuph> Yes. There was a disconnect between Dan's understanding and my implementation. Nothing major.
[20:36] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxUjK0C71yE&feature=player_embedded
[20:36] <NigeyS> ahh okies, any idea when the next sim is likely to be ?
[20:47] <Zuph> Probably tonight, although we've all got things to work on and I could personally use a little break :-p
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[21:18] <Lunar_Lander> jcoxon ?
[21:18] <Lunar_Lander> remember my question about the D.Sc.?
[21:23] <Lunar_Lander> I found this
[21:23] <Lunar_Lander> "SIR GEORGE SIMPSON,K.C.B.,D.Sc.,F.R.S."
[21:26] <jcoxon> Zuph, hi
[21:31] Nick change: kd0mto|away -> kd0mto
[21:33] <LazyLeopard> Lunar_Lander: Ao that'd be "Knight Commander of the Order of the Bath, Doctor of Science, and Fellow of the Royal Society".
[21:34] <jcoxon> LazyLeopard, we were discussing how you get a D.Sc
[21:34] <LazyLeopard> s/A/S/
[21:34] <Lunar_Lander> yeab
[21:35] <jcoxon> what is a D.Sc vs P.hD
[21:35] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:35] <jcoxon> Ph.D
[21:35] <jcoxon> oops
[21:35] <Zuph> In the US, they are equivalent in all ways.
[21:37] <LazyLeopard> Often an honorary position these days, but originally conferred on folks who'd held an appropriate post for long enough to have done rather more than a Ph.D's worth of research, IIRC....
[21:38] <LazyLeopard> Leastwise, I remember the robes being rather more elaborate... ;)
[21:40] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[21:40] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[21:41] <LazyLeopard> Hmmm... Wikipedia seems to suggest the US doesn't make quite the same distinction... ;)
[21:41] <Lunar_Lander> I also have understood it as kind of a second stage of the Ph.D.
[21:45] <LazyLeopard> Figures. The Wikipedia entry ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_of_Science ) is appropriately devoid of "citation needed" tags. ;)
[21:46] <Lunar_Lander> ah
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[22:14] <SpeedEvil> Why did I ping out?
[22:18] <fsphil> ping shortage?
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[22:27] <NigeyS> pong went on vacation :P
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[23:13] <Lunar_Lander> hi juxta
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[23:14] <juxta> hi Lunar_Lander
[23:14] <Lunar_Lander> how are you today?
[23:15] <juxta> good good, lovely weather
[23:15] <juxta> about to head to the countryside
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[23:16] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[23:16] <Lunar_Lander> Horus 16?
[23:16] <juxta> oh no - just a day in the hills with a friend
[23:16] <juxta> I have a German housemate at the moment, I'm going to show her around :)
[23:18] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[23:18] <Lunar_Lander> greet her from Osnabrück
[23:18] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[23:20] <natrium42> hey juxta & Lunar_Lander
[23:21] <Lunar_Lander> hey natrium42
[23:21] <juxta> hey natrium42
[23:21] <Lunar_Lander> how are you?
[23:21] <Lunar_Lander> juxta did you pass the greetings :)?
[23:22] <juxta> Lunar_Lander, she's in the shower, I'll let her know in a minute haha
[23:22] <Lunar_Lander> xD ok
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[23:28] <natrium42> Lunar_Lander: great, how are you?
[23:28] <natrium42> juxta: just invite her to the channel j/k
[23:29] <Lunar_Lander> well
[23:30] <Lunar_Lander> monitoring the japan power plant situation
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[23:37] <natrium42> eek, 3rd explosion
[23:37] <deanydean> Hi all, I'm wanting to know if there are any personal liability issues with launching a high altitude balloon in the UK. If the balloon lands somewhere "bad", will I/we be in any way liable?
[23:37] <SpeedEvil> yes.
[23:37] <deanydean> what can be done to protect ourselves?
[23:37] <SpeedEvil> However, the chances of that are really quite low indeed.
[23:38] <SpeedEvil> Insurance is in principle available, but may be prohibitively expensive.
[23:38] <SpeedEvil> In general, designing your payload so you would be quite happy for it to land on your head is one criteria.
[23:38] <natrium42> SpeedEvil: i wonder if any of R/C aircraft insurances would work
[23:38] <natrium42> i used to have one here in the US
[23:38] <SpeedEvil> Dunno.
[23:39] <natrium42> was up to 1 million dollars i think
[23:39] <natrium42> in case you crashed it into some guys ferarri or something
[23:40] <deanydean> yeah, that was my thought. Although the chances are slim, it's still possible that the payload could land on a major road.
[23:58] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[23:58] <Lunar_Lander> that can happen
[23:58] <Lunar_Lander> I have thought much about that too
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