highaltitude.log.20110312

[00:07] <Dan-K2VOL> kodak never had that great of batteries, but they weren't terrible
[00:07] <SpeedEvil> You can keep alkalines in the fridge (or freezer) damn near foreve
[00:07] <SpeedEvil> r
[00:08] <Lunar_Lander> nice
[00:08] Action: SpeedEvil wishes someone would make a good 1/2 AAAA LiFePO4
[00:08] <Lunar_Lander> four A?
[00:08] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[00:08] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[00:09] <SpeedEvil> I want it for a teeny torch
[00:09] <fsphil> nice .. it's properly snowing here atm
[00:09] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[00:10] <SpeedEvil> I woke up this morning to see snow on the ground.
[00:11] <fsphil> yea, I heard Edinburgh got a fair bit
[00:11] <jcoxon> none here!
[00:12] Action: LazyLeopard hopes the snow stays away from here...
[00:12] <fsphil> nice to admire from indoors :) but I'm glad I didn't have to drive through it
[00:12] <SpeedEvil> Currently I'm struggling with masses and masses of tarpaulin.
[00:12] <SpeedEvil> Which is fun in the wind.
[00:12] <SpeedEvil> http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/
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[00:13] <SpeedEvil> Ending up with ~20m of lean-to against my house, which I can put stuff in while cracking on with the inside.
[00:14] <fsphil> quite the snow fall in those earlier pics
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[00:18] <jcoxon> hmmm i guess i could revert to my previous plan and add a parastic arduino
[00:18] <jcoxon> then do comms via i2c
[00:19] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: yeah - some are quite pretty!
[00:19] <jcoxon> just makes it so complicated
[00:20] <jcoxon> i guess software serial is complicated in itself
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[03:35] <vin3> Does a n00b guide to the radio setup required to track on http://spacenear.us/ exist? If so, where can it be found? Thanks!
[03:50] <natrium42> vin3: yes
[03:51] <natrium42> http://projecthorus.org/?page_id=336
[03:51] <natrium42> and http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide
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[05:28] <Darkside> who was using orbcomm telemetry?
[05:28] <Dan-K2VOL> white star
[05:28] <juxta|console> I think the whitestar guys?
[05:28] <Dan-K2VOL> why, did orbcomm just go bankrupt?
[05:34] <Darkside> nah
[05:34] <Darkside> was jsut woneeing
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[06:37] <juxta|console> ping Dan-K2VOL
[06:37] <Dan-K2VOL> hi juxta
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[06:53] <griffonbot> @LVL1WhiteStar: Checking telemetry downlink/uplink reveals need to NOT queue ATC position reports in modem, make them only when sat comes overhead. #arhab [http://twitter.com/LVL1WhiteStar/status/46463899956027392]
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[07:19] <jcoxon> morning all
[07:19] <Dan-K2VOL> ugh that means it's bedtime
[07:19] <jcoxon> hey Dan-K2VOL
[07:19] <Dan-K2VOL> morning
[07:19] <jcoxon> busy night?
[07:19] <Dan-K2VOL> yes
[07:19] <jcoxon> progress?
[07:19] <Dan-K2VOL> just sent an email to the white star list, are you on it?
[07:19] <jcoxon> yup
[07:19] <Dan-K2VOL> good
[07:20] <Dan-K2VOL> I'd like you to be on remote mission control on the network and comms team if you would
[07:20] <Dan-K2VOL> http://wiki.whitestarballoon.com/doku.php?id=missionoperations:remoteoperatorsintro
[07:21] <jcoxon> i'd be honoured
[07:21] <Dan-K2VOL> very nice
[07:21] <jcoxon> however
[07:21] <jcoxon> i'm not free this pm
[07:22] <Dan-K2VOL> that's ok, it would be good if you could get things set up. with your experience you won't need as much training as others will
[07:22] <jcoxon> well i've got mumble already installed
[07:22] <Dan-K2VOL> if you could get things set up sometime in the next few days
[07:22] <jcoxon> and it works
[07:22] <Dan-K2VOL> good!
[07:22] <jcoxon> all i'd have to do is point 3
[07:23] <Dan-K2VOL> take your time on that
[07:24] <Dan-K2VOL> been working on the commctrlr code
[07:24] <Dan-K2VOL> to do the telemetry better
[07:24] <Dan-K2VOL> man I keep finding scary things we missed, that would be flight-ending
[07:24] <jcoxon> you'll get there
[07:24] <jcoxon> its a vast project
[07:24] <Dan-K2VOL> like tonight I found two orbcomm receipts with one subtle difference -
[07:25] <Dan-K2VOL> one was for operations in eastern hemisphere, one was for western
[07:25] <Dan-K2VOL> and the only difference (other than the e/w) was that the EMAIL ADDRESS OF THE SAT MODEM IS DIFFERENT BY 1 LETTER!!!!
[07:25] <jcoxon> yes
[07:25] <jcoxon> oh
[07:25] <jcoxon> they don't make it easy for you do they
[07:26] <Dan-K2VOL> holy crap that would have been a real surprise
[07:26] <Darkside> Dan-K2VOL: how much does data cost with orbcomm?
[07:26] <Dan-K2VOL> when we transitioned to the morrocco gateway and seemingly couldn't uplink commands
[07:26] <Dan-K2VOL> can't say Darkside, that's the NDA part
[07:26] <Dan-K2VOL> but it's one of the cheaper expenses of the mission
[07:26] <Darkside> ok
[07:26] <Dan-K2VOL> about as much as we'd pay for helium on a similar flight
[07:27] <Darkside> data rate?
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[07:27] <Dan-K2VOL> hrm, sporadic. total expected data will be about 100KB for that cost
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[07:28] <Dan-K2VOL> very intermittent coverage, it's like driving down the road and trying to send emails through passing wifi hotspots while at 100kph
[07:28] <jcoxon> Dan-K2VOL, done
[07:28] <Dan-K2VOL> thank you kindly james
[07:29] <Dan-K2VOL> do you guys know any pilots or ATC guys over there who have experience talking with CAA ATC on the air band radios?
[07:29] <jcoxon> i suspect there must be a few lurking on the UKHAS mailing list
[07:29] <mattltm> Hi all :)
[07:30] <Dan-K2VOL> hmm our ATC team needs more people, but they must already be familiar with ATC communication
[07:30] <mattltm> Dan: I know the operations manager of the local private airfield
[07:30] <Dan-K2VOL> I'll join that and post a query later tonight
[07:30] <Dan-K2VOL> mattltm where are you located?
[07:31] <mattltm> Rochester, UK.
[07:31] <Dan-K2VOL> funny, I grew up in Rochester, NY
[07:31] <mattltm> :)
[07:31] <Dan-K2VOL> how well do you know him, and does he ever deal with ATC, or is he just the business manager?
[07:32] <mattltm> He works the tower most days.
[07:33] <mattltm> It's only a small place.
[07:33] <Darkside> y'know what
[07:33] <Darkside> i fucking hate PL2303's
[07:33] <Darkside> and their SHITTY WINDOWS DRIVERS
[07:33] <mattltm> http://www.rochesterairport.co.uk/
[07:35] <Dan-K2VOL> mattltm, that's a grass airport?? that's bigger than most grass airports we have in the states
[07:35] <mattltm> Yup, grass.
[07:35] <mattltm> It's a nice place :)
[07:35] <Dan-K2VOL> with a tower?
[07:35] <Dan-K2VOL> it does sound very nice, I wish I was near there!
[07:36] <mattltm> Take a look at the gallery...
[07:36] <Dan-K2VOL> oh yes, been there for a bit already ;-)
[07:36] <mattltm> See the lightning fighter?
[07:36] <mattltm> 4th image?
[07:36] <jcoxon> lots of nice airfields in the UK - you guys built them for us in WWII
[07:36] <Dan-K2VOL> lol yes, I've never seen a jet on grass
[07:37] <Dan-K2VOL> :-) we did similar over here, to train the crews before they went over there
[07:37] <mattltm> The building in the background is BAE Platform development lab :P
[07:37] <jcoxon> in the area i grew up i reckon there is one every 5 miles
[07:37] <Dan-K2VOL> wow
[07:37] <jcoxon> all the different bomber squadrons
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[07:37] <Dan-K2VOL> I hope to move to europe someday, and I'd like to get a reciprocal license and try those out
[07:38] <mattltm> Sometimes they land drones at the airport :)
[07:38] <Dan-K2VOL> that's very curious
[07:38] <mattltm> And the Apache?
[07:38] <Dan-K2VOL> well, the guy you know, can you get in touch with him this weekend, and ask if he'd be interested in hearing about joining our ATC Liaison team?
[07:39] <Dan-K2VOL> I could talk to him directly about the details,
[07:39] <Dan-K2VOL> I can call over there
[07:39] <Dan-K2VOL> (thank god for skype)
[07:39] <mattltm> One came in a few months back. Said it was an emergancy so the tower cleared the airspace and let the Apache come in hot.
[07:39] <Dan-K2VOL> wow
[07:39] <mattltm> It came down VERY fast and the pilot got out and ran....
[07:40] <mattltm> to the toilet!
[07:40] <jcoxon> mattltm, I grew up 1mile from wattisham
[07:40] <jcoxon> where they keep all the apaches
[07:40] <mattltm> Very cool.
[07:41] <jcoxon> slightly annoying though being on the flight path for low flying apaches
[07:41] <mattltm> We get the ocasional Chinook too :)
[07:41] <jcoxon> oooo
[07:41] <jcoxon> i've seen a stealth bomber over suffolk
[07:41] <mattltm> did it release?
[07:43] <jcoxon> thats about the tops of my things i've seen list hehe
[07:43] <jcoxon> Dan-K2VOL, have you found hte i2c arduino libs reliable?
[07:43] <Dan-K2VOL> YES
[07:43] <jcoxon> okay
[07:43] <Dan-K2VOL> really appreciate the Wire library
[07:43] <Dan-K2VOL> using it all over SpeedBall
[07:43] <jcoxon> having to go down a slightly random path to get my SPoT working
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[07:43] <Dan-K2VOL> we'd be happy to assist, the docs leave out a few important capabilitied
[07:44] <Dan-K2VOL> s
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[07:44] <jcoxon> not terribly happy with the additional hardware
[07:44] <Dan-K2VOL> huh
[07:44] <Dan-K2VOL> what are you adding to spot
[07:44] <jcoxon> oooo you are the last person i haven't told
[07:44] <Dan-K2VOL> haha
[07:44] <Dan-K2VOL> aparently so
[07:44] <jcoxon> so i cut the nmea stream and injected my own faked nmea
[07:44] <Dan-K2VOL> nice
[07:44] <jcoxon> but it doesn't play nice with software serial
[07:44] <jcoxon> just hardware serial
[07:45] <jcoxon> i was hoping to intergrate it directly into my single chip flight computer
[07:45] <Dan-K2VOL> which software serial
[07:45] <jcoxon> tried both
[07:45] <Dan-K2VOL> oh NewSoftSerial?
[07:45] <jcoxon> yeah
[07:45] <Dan-K2VOL> darn
[07:45] <Dan-K2VOL> that's worked well for what I've fone
[07:45] <Dan-K2VOL> done
[07:45] <jcoxon> i suspect its very sensitive to timings
[07:46] <Dan-K2VOL> that sucks
[07:46] <jcoxon> well the plan is to now have its on mcu
[07:46] <Dan-K2VOL> ah yeah
[07:46] <jcoxon> and comms over i2c between the master flight computer
[07:46] <Dan-K2VOL> gotcha
[07:46] <Dan-K2VOL> ha that's how we're doing it
[07:46] <jcoxon> it'll be better that way as it can monitor it much closely and i can get on with stuff on my flight computer
[07:46] <Dan-K2VOL> yeah
[07:47] <Dan-K2VOL> I emailed you my commcontroller code
[07:48] <Dan-K2VOL> it's a big giant mess
[07:48] <jcoxon> hehe
[07:48] <jcoxon> i suspect i'll only need very simple code
[07:48] <Dan-K2VOL> but the the I2C files are pretty well separated
[07:48] <Dan-K2VOL> thuogh the I2CXMIT contains the receive code as well :-P
[07:53] <Dan-K2VOL> jcoxon, note that you can operate as slave or master any time you like in code, though the wire library docs don't really talk about switching back and forth.
[07:53] <Dan-K2VOL> got to go to bed, this hackerspace is getting cold! night all
[07:54] <jcoxon> Dan-K2VOL, yeah, night!
[07:55] Action: mattltm is only a few weeks away from opening the doors of Kent's newest hackerspace :)
[07:56] <Dan-K2VOL> good work mattltm!
[07:56] <mattltm> Getting there :0
[07:56] <Dan-K2VOL> we exchanged cupcakes with knottinghack last month
[07:56] <mattltm> Its called icmp :)
[07:56] <jcoxon> mattltm, where will be based?
[07:56] <Dan-K2VOL> hehe
[07:56] <jcoxon> as i'll be in canterbury for a year from august
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[07:56] <mattltm> www.icmp.org.uk
[07:56] <mattltm> Jcoxon: Just down the road :)
[07:56] <mattltm> Well about 30mins on the train.
[07:57] <mattltm> The site is a work in progress...
[07:57] <Dan-K2VOL> any others involved?
[07:57] <mattltm> We have 4 members so far but have not started putting the word about yet.
[07:58] <jcoxon> mattltm, i know exactly where it is
[07:58] <mattltm> We have the space for free for a year and some cash in the bank too :)
[07:58] <jcoxon> well pretty much
[07:58] <Dan-K2VOL> we started meeting in coffee shops before we had a space, get some people excited about it!
[07:58] <Dan-K2VOL> nice
[07:58] <Dan-K2VOL> we did lots of public soldering workshops which raised a lot of money to start
[07:59] <Dan-K2VOL> ugh got to sleep, nite all
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[07:59] <mattltm> We are planning to do some build a bot workshops, soldering lessons, Eagle tutorials etc.
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[08:04] <mattltm> Is fsphil planning to launch this weekend?
[08:05] <jcoxon> i haven't heard
[08:12] <mattltm> Crap! Just been reported that a Japanese nuke plant has gone boom.
[08:13] <Darkside> uh oh
[08:14] <mattltm> Why would you name a reactor "Fukushima"!
[08:14] <mattltm> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12720219
[08:17] <jcoxon> oh dear
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[08:50] <jcoxon> anyone got tips on simply converting latitude from dd.dddd to ddmm.mmm?
[08:52] <SamSilver> manually or in a program?
[08:52] <jcoxon> program
[08:53] <Darkside> we should make a nice library of useful functions that do this kind of shit
[08:53] <jcoxon> yeah
[08:53] <jcoxon> most people covert the other way :-)
[08:53] <Darkside> yup
[08:53] <Darkside> you're faking NMEA arent you
[08:53] <jcoxon> i guess just need to seperate the .dddd
[08:53] <jcoxon> and then convert this to mm.mmm
[08:53] <SamSilver> even in Python
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[08:59] <jcoxon> so all i have to do is split dd.dddd into 0.dddd
[08:59] <jcoxon> then * 60
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[09:02] <NigelMoby> Morning
[09:03] <SamSilver> top of the moring to you
[09:03] <NigelMoby> I see that power plant is looking rather iffy
[09:07] <SpeedEvil> kitten time is looking more likely. :(
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[09:10] <mattltm> Kitten time? Eh?
[09:10] <SpeedEvil> 80 foot kitten, rampaging through tokyo.
[09:10] <Darkside> KITTEN KONG
[09:11] <mattltm> Ahhhhh.
[09:12] <Darkside> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2J6uUMeAVW8
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[09:14] <Darkside> gotta love the scene of the kitten knocking over the BT tower
[09:19] <mattltm> Lol!
[09:22] <mattltm> I feel naked without my smartphone. I've had to start using this strange thing called "paper" and some sort of ling, thin tool that bleeds blue gunk.
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[09:48] <natrium42> eek --> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hysplitout/10251_trj001.gif
[09:52] <fsphil> it's still snowing!!
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[09:53] <natrium42> dunno if i believe the radiation values on this map though --> http://i.imgur.com/0vcqp.jpg
[09:54] <natrium42> 750 rads will basically kill you, right?
[09:54] <Darkside> there was a map someone posted on reddit which was shopped
[09:54] <natrium42> didi you notice how the hysplit prediction targets hawaii>?
[09:54] <natrium42> oh japan :')
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[10:01] <SamSilver> That prediction does not hit the jet stream
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[10:09] <natrium42> SamSilver: http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hysplitout/15285_trj001.gif
[10:09] <natrium42> for jet stream
[10:10] <SamSilver> close
[10:13] <SamSilver> need to hang a right at the sixth time frame
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[10:18] <SamSilver> I fly hotair balloons and I spit over the basket or drop 120g sand bags with streamers to judge the winds below
[10:18] <SamSilver> a rudder would work better :P
[10:19] <SamSilver> lol I mean I spit over the edge of the basket
[10:21] <fsphil> phew :p
[10:21] <fsphil> otherwise it would get pretty messy in that basket :)
[10:24] <SamSilver> am I right in thinking that 1 cube meter of helium at sea level would be 900 cube meters of helium at 120Kfeet??\
[10:25] <SamSilver> in a zero preasure balloon
[10:25] <SamSilver> or would it be 14 cube m
[10:29] <SpeedEvil> Well - what's the pressure at 120kft?
[10:30] <SpeedEvil> 14m sounds very low
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[10:36] <Laurenceb__> shit that reactor looks a bit scary
[10:37] <SpeedEvil> Where are you looking at?
[10:37] <Laurenceb__> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12720219
[10:38] <SamSilver> check the winds around the reactor
[10:38] <SpeedEvil> Ah - yes
[10:38] <SpeedEvil> Oooh!
[10:38] <SpeedEvil> We have a nifty fallout calculator, don't we.
[10:38] <Laurenceb__> could be a fuel storage pond?
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[10:39] <SamSilver> mabey James can fly a gieger counter
[10:39] <fsphil> lovely, nhk world are talking about "melting down"
[10:40] <SpeedEvil> I would love to know actual emitted amounts of radiation so far
[10:40] <SpeedEvil> this would be an ideal task for UAVs
[10:40] <Laurenceb__> im not sure it was the actual reactor building that exploded
[10:41] <Laurenceb__> they were saying earlier there was a big risk from a storage pond
[10:41] <fsphil> saying number 1 power plant
[10:41] <Laurenceb__> hope its not that as itd be even more dangerous
[10:41] <fsphil> and number 2 power plant cooling has failed
[10:41] <Laurenceb__> eek
[10:42] <fsphil> the woman they have on nhk world is doing an epic job of translating to english
[10:42] <Laurenceb__> http://news.slashdot.org/story/11/03/12/038218/Nuclear-Emergency-Declared-At-2-Plants-In-Japan#comments
[10:43] <Laurenceb__> "The outer walls of the Reactor 1 building have partially blown off"
[10:43] <Laurenceb__> oh shit
[10:44] <SpeedEvil> I went to the NHK website, and read 'China continuing with one patty rule' - which confused me as to why they'd legislate burgers.
[10:44] <SamSilver> "good" news is that the evacuation zone is just 10Km
[10:44] Action: SpeedEvil is not properly awake.
[10:45] <fsphil> 20km at power plant 1
[10:45] <SpeedEvil> SamSilver: In western kilometers, that's like 300Km.
[10:45] <SamSilver> Bugger could get jail for having a dbl cheese
[10:46] Action: Laurenceb__ runs cusf predictor
[10:46] <SamSilver> speed :P
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[10:48] <fsphil> tsunami wave height map: http://www.nnvl.noaa.gov/images/high_resolution/680_20110311-TsunamiWaveHeight.jpg
[10:48] <fsphil> ooch
[10:49] <m1x10> Hi hi
[10:49] <fsphil> hiya m1x10
[10:49] <Laurenceb__> hmf cusf breaks at 10%
[10:51] <Laurenceb__> wind seems to be out so sea, at least once you go up a bit
[10:53] <x-f> evacuation zone increased to 20 km
[10:55] <Laurenceb__> hopefully it will mainlky blow out to sea, but im not sure what the wind is doing at low level
[10:55] <Laurenceb__> cusf predictor wont load the data :-/
[10:56] <Laurenceb__> of course if the wind changes anytime soon :S
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[11:04] <SamSilver> fraction of 1 atmosphere (atm) @ 101 381 ft = 1/100
[11:04] Action: fsphil nominates Laurenceb_ to launch that balloon
[11:05] <SamSilver> @ 159 013 ft = 1/1 000
[11:05] <SpeedEvil> So yes - it's simply 100*
[11:05] <SpeedEvil> (neglecting the overpressure due to the balloon
[11:05] <SamSilver> so if 1 cube of helium at sea level will expand to = ???
[11:06] <SpeedEvil> 1000/1
[11:06] <SpeedEvil> 1000/1 * 1m^3
[11:06] <SamSilver> zero preasur ballon is my interest
[11:06] <SpeedEvil> oh - forgot zp
[11:07] <SamSilver> I see they fill zp balloons only about 1/100 th of full
[11:08] <SamSilver> just a guess
[11:08] <SpeedEvil> For 1/1000atm, the density will be around 1.4grams/m^3. a 15um (7.5*2) thick balloon with a density of 1300kg/m^3 will weigh 20g/m^2
[11:08] <m1x10> fsphil
[11:08] <m1x10> look:
[11:08] <m1x10> http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/199411_1620722202759_1377549819_1429691_5055761_n.jpg
[11:09] <m1x10> you'll like it :)
[11:09] <SpeedEvil> So you're looking to get neutral bouyancy of a diameter of the order of 20/1.4 *2 = 35m
[11:09] <fsphil> puppy!!!
[11:09] <fsphil> lol
[11:09] <SpeedEvil> Aww - cute. It's a baby soldier.
[11:09] <SpeedEvil> :)
[11:09] <fsphil> It's like a puppy hostage picture :)
[11:12] <SamSilver> looking for neutral bouyancy in the jet stream
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[11:15] <m1x10> haha
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[11:16] <m1x10> her name is Maila :)
[11:17] <fsphil> good name
[11:17] <griffonbot> Received email: Philip Heron <phil@sanslogic.co.uk> "Re: [UKHAS] Hadie:3 launch this weekend"
[11:19] <m1x10> Hadie:3 ?
[11:19] <fsphil> yea, my last payload. didn't get launched
[11:19] <SamSilver> I am thinking the best way to get long distance record is to use Larry Walters method!
[11:20] <SamSilver> manual ballast method
[11:20] <SamSilver> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Walters
[11:23] <SamSilver> for the Aussies Danny Deckchair
[11:23] <m1x10> you will have cameras on it ?
[11:23] <fsphil> m1x10, yea the canon and the uart camera
[11:23] <m1x10> aaaa
[11:23] <fsphil> I can't launch it until april though
[11:23] <m1x10> why?
[11:23] <m1x10> NOTAM ?
[11:23] <fsphil> yea, it expires tomorrow
[11:23] <m1x10> lol
[11:24] <fsphil> and the predictions are rubbish
[11:24] <m1x10> btw, I asked my captain where to ask for notam and he gave me the right direction.
[11:24] <fsphil> excellent
[11:26] <Upu> shame fsphil but no point loosing your payload
[11:28] <fsphil> exactly, I'm being cautious with this one
[11:28] <fsphil> I'd still like to launch a mad one again though
[11:32] <m1x10> fsphil: me at the left
[11:32] <m1x10> http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/199411_1620722122757_1377549819_1429689_6781289_n.jpg
[11:32] <m1x10> :P
[11:33] <fsphil> lol
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[11:34] <fsphil> I see you got some snow down there last week m1x10
[11:36] <m1x10> wow yeah
[11:36] <m1x10> we got -8 C
[11:36] <m1x10> and I was sick
[11:36] <fsphil> nippy
[11:36] <m1x10> but i did my service
[11:37] <Dooberry> morning
[11:37] Nick change: m1x10 -> m1x10_food
[11:37] <Dooberry> nightmare on the launch phil
[11:37] <Dooberry> just seen the email
[11:37] <fsphil> morning Dooberry - yea the weather doesn't like me :)
[11:38] <Dooberry> Annoying as well, as I think the past few days would have been perfect
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[11:38] <Dooberry> With the NE weather system
[11:38] <fsphil> middle of next week looks good
[11:39] <Dooberry> fingers crossed old boy
[11:39] <fsphil> the notam expires sunday though, have to wait for the next one
[11:41] <fsphil> didn't fancy launching in snow again anyway :)
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[11:44] <fsphil> ooh, fesnel lens arrived. that was quick
[11:54] <SamSilver> where is that going?
[11:55] <SamSilver> most I have seen are on the back of Transit vans
[11:56] <fsphil> hehe, it's for optical communications -- transmitting voice or data with LEDs
[11:56] <SamSilver> what diameter?
[11:57] <fsphil> 22x16cm
[11:59] <SamSilver> it is oval
[11:59] <SamSilver> square?
[11:59] <fsphil> rectangular
[11:59] <SamSilver> I only seen round
[11:59] <SamSilver> do you have a pic
[11:59] <fsphil> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/FULL-PAGE-MAGNIFIER-A4-Magnifying-Sheet-Fresnel-Lens-/200583674277
[11:59] <SamSilver> and it is made out of?
[11:59] <fsphil> plastic
[12:00] <SamSilver> I have seen thin plastic
[12:00] <SamSilver> mabey 2 mm
[12:00] <fsphil> I'm not sure how thick this is, but there isn't much to it
[12:00] <SamSilver> flexible
[12:00] <fsphil> very -- maybe too much
[12:01] <fsphil> I might have to make a frame to hold it flat
[12:01] <fsphil> I'll need something to hold the LED and light sensor anyway
[12:01] <SamSilver> shuuuu how many led's
[12:01] <fsphil> one really big one :D
[12:01] <fsphil> I've got a 3W red LED for it
[12:01] <SamSilver> ha ha ha
[12:02] <SamSilver> no realy?
[12:02] <SamSilver> just one?
[12:02] <fsphil> just one
[12:02] <fsphil> well, I've got another smaller 1W LED
[12:02] <SamSilver> so it will be at the focul point
[12:02] <fsphil> got a few 1W Infrared LEDs too
[12:02] <fsphil> yep
[12:03] <SamSilver> and the sensor is a ........?
[12:03] <SamSilver> TV?
[12:03] <SamSilver> reciever
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[12:04] <fsphil> a very small solar cell
[12:04] <fsphil> http://www.sparkfun.com/products/9541
[12:04] <fsphil> it will sit next to the LED
[12:05] <mattltm> Hey fsphil :)
[12:05] <fsphil> g'day mattltm!
[12:05] <mattltm> No launch?
[12:05] <SamSilver> k
[12:05] <fsphil> no launch today - actually forgot to email the list about it, until I seen your question
[12:05] <mattltm> Shame.
[12:06] <mattltm> How the 2e0 go?
[12:06] <fsphil> Everyone passed!
[12:06] <mattltm> Yes! nice one mate :)
[12:06] <mattltm> Applied for your new call?
[12:07] <fsphil> typically the ofcom services site is offline ;-)
[12:07] <fsphil> Going to save up for the bigger yaesu
[12:07] <mattltm> lol.
[12:07] <mattltm> the 857?
[12:07] <fsphil> yea
[12:07] <mattltm> good move. I love mine.
[12:08] <mattltm> I now have a 5Ah lipo to use /P with it :)
[12:08] <fsphil> a few people there where teasing me about my faraday cage of a town :p
[12:08] <mattltm> lol
[12:09] <fsphil> One of them, who passed the foundation at the same time, has no problems on HF at all. made 10 contacts during that last US contest
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[12:12] <mattltm> Does he live nr you?
[12:13] <fsphil> nope - not sure exactly where, but I know it's a lot closer to the club
[12:14] <SamSilver> > ZU5SAM is me, I find time of day is more important than down the road
[12:15] <fsphil> MI6VIM here :) well, until later this week anyway
[12:15] <fsphil> then I'm 2I0???
[12:15] <mattltm> 2I0VIM?
[12:15] <fsphil> maybe
[12:16] <fsphil> probably
[12:16] <fsphil> I'm used to it now
[12:17] <fsphil> SamSilver, yea daytime seems to be the best time here
[12:17] <fsphil> last night was pretty bad - only heard activity on 160m and 80m
[12:19] <fsphil> mattltm, the 857 needs about a 10A supply yea? (well, assuming full license)
[12:19] <mattltm> 1 mo and I'll fire mine into a dummy load and find out...
[12:20] <mattltm> 25A at full tilt
[12:21] <fsphil> yoiks
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[12:21] <mattltm> 12A @ 50W
[12:21] <fsphil> I've slightly miscalculated then :)
[12:21] <mattltm> lol
[12:21] <mattltm> You looking for a PSU for it
[12:21] <SamSilver> 12v
[12:21] <fsphil> thanks
[12:21] <fsphil> yea
[12:22] <mattltm> PS-30M.
[12:22] <mattltm> A great PSU
[12:22] <fsphil> I've got a little supply for the 817 but it's got absolutely no hope
[12:22] <mattltm> Not switched mode so nice an quiet on HF
[12:22] <fsphil> oooh it does look good
[12:22] <mattltm> Only 0ne problem with it.
[12:23] <fsphil> ah
[12:23] <fsphil> random explosions?
[12:23] <mattltm> The cooling fan is an off/on affair
[12:23] <fsphil> that's not soo bad
[12:23] <mattltm> Easy to change, I moded mine so that the fan runs at 6V all the time.
[12:23] <mattltm> so it is not noisy.
[12:24] <mattltm> And the air keeps flowing.
[12:24] <fsphil> was thinking that
[12:24] <fsphil> better to have it all on than switching
[12:24] <SamSilver> http://www.sparkfun.com/products/9549 = here kitty here kitty
[12:24] <mattltm> But I left the existing feed to is so that it can ramp up automaticly when needed.
[12:24] <fsphil> hehe -- most comments are about the noise
[12:24] <SamSilver> got a dog to walk
[12:24] <SamSilver> later folks
[12:25] <fsphil> cya SamSilver n' doggie
[12:25] <mattltm> SamSilver: I had a light following bug from maplin until my dog ate it!
[12:25] <fsphil> my own is staring at me
[12:25] <SamSilver> ta
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[12:25] <fsphil> debating selling the ft817
[12:26] <mattltm> How many times have you used it /P?
[12:26] <fsphil> not too often -- but I only recently got on the road
[12:27] <fsphil> it's been used for two hab flights
[12:27] <mattltm> I was goint to get an 817 but then thought the 857 can be made into a /P station very easily and provides a bit more grunt if needed.
[12:27] <fsphil> it's definitely more /P-able than the 857
[12:28] <fsphil> yea
[12:29] <fsphil> I'll wait until I've used the 857, see how that goes
[12:29] <fsphil> hopefully will have it before the next 2m contest
[12:29] <mattltm> Once my phone is back from repair I will take some pics of my 857 /P for ya :)
[12:30] <fsphil> sweet - the phone getting swapped under warranty?
[12:30] <mattltm> They dont know yet. Just went off yesterday.
[12:34] <mattltm> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/turnigy-nano-tech-5000mah-4-cell-25c-50c-lipo-14-8-v-/260709463760?pt=UK_ToysGames_RadioControlled_JN&hash=item3cb37eb6d0
[12:34] <mattltm> Thats what im using forpower.
[12:35] <mattltm> Well, not that exact one. Mine was cheeper!
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[12:39] <fsphil> hope so lol, that's quite pricey
[12:40] <fsphil> good capacity
[12:43] <Darkside> hmm
[12:43] <Darkside> can spacenear.us handle sentences without speed data?
[12:43] <Darkside> i.e. just $$CALLSIGN,lat,long,alt*CHECKSUM
[12:43] <fsphil> I didn't include speed data, worked fine
[12:43] <Darkside> ok
[12:44] <Darkside> im trying to write an interface between sondemonitor and spacenear.us
[12:44] <fsphil> ah cool
[12:44] <fsphil> what frequency do these things transmit on?
[12:44] <Darkside> between 400.3 and 403MHz
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[13:32] <Darkside> hmm
[13:32] <Darkside> anyone have crc16 code for python?
[13:37] <Darkside> darkside-macbook:Radiosonde darkside$ python digisonde_upload.py
[13:37] <Darkside> $$BOMF1254890,139.13329,-34.88917,11385;400.74MHz*D9E1
[13:37] <Darkside> aha!
[13:37] <Darkside> I R WINRAR
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[13:46] <rjharrison> Afternoon all anything exciting planned this weekend
[13:47] <rjharrison> juxta: I see you have s
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[13:47] <rjharrison> Ome test data on spacenear.us
[13:48] <Darkside> hey rjharrison
[13:49] <Darkside> i'm writing an interface between sondemonitor and the online tracker
[13:49] <rjharrison> Darkside: Cool how is that going?
[13:49] <Darkside> i've got a bit of code pulling data from sondemonitor, and constructing a sentence like : $$BOMF1244197,0.00000,0.00000,93;401.50MHz*E596
[13:49] <Darkside> (that sonde oesnt have gps lock btw)
[13:49] <Darkside> i'm wondering how do i post the sentences to the tracker
[13:50] <rjharrison> Agh that is quite easy if you have access to something like curl
[13:50] <Darkside> well i've written this in python
[13:50] <Darkside> i can probably write a function to do it
[13:50] <rjharrison> Ok but there is a perl wrapper for python
[13:51] <rjharrison> Python even
[13:51] <Darkside> i mean, isnt it just a POST to a server?
[13:51] <rjharrison> Curl
[13:51] <rjharrison> Yep
[13:51] <Darkside> theres probably a library for that
[13:51] <rjharrison> Do you want the syntax
[13:51] <Darkside> yes please!
[13:52] <rjharrison> One sec im on the iPad in a coffee shop
[13:52] <Darkside> lol ok
[13:53] <rjharrison> Just looking it up
[13:55] <Darkside> when juxta sets up the mirror of your site, we'll set up something so it will show callsigns with the $$BOM prefix on the tracker
[13:55] <Darkside> i.e. $$BOMF1244197, where F1244197 is the serial number of the radiosonde
[13:56] <Darkside> hmm, will need to sort out frame numbering too, will need to pull that from sondemonitor somehow
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[13:59] <rjharrison> Darkside i cant see the format from here will be home in an hour
[13:59] <Darkside> no problems, just PM me
[13:59] <rjharrison> Sure
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[15:23] <mattltm> Im back :)
[15:29] <mattltm> I had forgotten just how good it is to ues a proper soldering iorn :)
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[15:45] <fsphil> makes all the difference eh?
[15:45] <mattltm> Yup.
[15:45] <mattltm> Much better than the 25W antex:)
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[16:22] <SamSilver> http://blog.solarcrawler.com/2009/08/03/spot-device-hack/
[16:24] <russss> heh
[16:26] <SamSilver> howdy
[16:27] <LazyLeopard> What've you been soldering, mattltm?
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[16:28] <LazyLeopard> (Yeah, having a decent powerful iron makes even PL259s not too much of a pain...)
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[16:34] <mattltm> Lazy: I picked up a 60W temp controled iorn today. Much easier to work with :)
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[16:36] <LazyLeopard> Ready for the Intermediate practicals, then. ;)
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[16:38] <NigeyS> Japan nuclear agency rates nuclear plant accident in Fukushima at 4 on 0-7 international scale.
[16:38] <NigeyS> uhoh
[16:39] <LazyLeopard> Eeek.
[16:39] <mattltm> Yup. I was tole that one of their fav tricks is to get the students to solder copper nails with their 25W iorns.
[16:39] <LazyLeopard> mattltm: Yep. Nail-soldering is likely on the agenda. ;)
[16:39] <mattltm> So I'll be ready with my 60W monster :)
[16:42] <mattltm> Saying that, you better not get them to make me do SS nails Lazy :)
[16:43] <LazyLeopard> I doubt they'd be that cruel...
[16:43] <mattltm> lol.
[16:43] Action: mattltm looks for his gas torck just in case...
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[16:48] <vin3> n00b question #2... NTX2 appears to be UK specific. What should I use in the US?
[16:50] <StrayVoltage> "Todays assignment is to solder this 22 AWG wire to a copper bus bar."
[16:50] <mattltm> Lol :)
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[16:54] <SamSilver> Jcoxon I found this http://blog.solarcrawler.com/2010/08/
[16:55] <SamSilver> spot hach
[16:55] <SamSilver> hack
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[16:58] <NigeyS> hey james
[17:00] <jcoxon> Samsilver, what was their hack? Am on my phone
[17:01] <SamSilver> add more info to spot report
[17:01] <jcoxon> Oh right, how did they do it?
[17:05] <SamSilver> the time the measage is sent means different things
[17:05] <SamSilver> time of transmit determines the measage
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[17:06] <jcoxon> Oh I see,
[17:07] <jcoxon> Got my hack working properly, so now I can tx any 2 decimal number
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[17:17] <SamSilver> well done
[17:17] <NigeyS> hey Zuph
[17:18] <Zuph> Hey NigeyS
[17:18] <jcoxon> That said I still need to wire up one of the buttons like they did
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[17:23] <SamSilver> got a crazy lightning storm going on here
[17:23] <SamSilver> have 50 kg dog on my lap
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[17:32] <NigeyS> lol SamSilver
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[17:33] <Zuph> We're going to have a very multinational mission control today.
[17:33] <NigeyS> can i speak welsh? :p
[17:34] <mattltm> Zuph: I registered on the wiki but it's not sent my password through :(
[17:34] <Zuph> If you really want to be incomprehensible, NigeyS :-p
[17:35] <Zuph> mattltm: Check your spam folder.
[17:35] <Zuph> Spam filters don't like long distance ballooning.
[17:35] <mattltm> Already checked. Not there :(
[17:35] <mattltm> I did try the forgot password link too.
[17:35] <NigeyS> Blymia cara chwblha chybôl dwi 'n ddiball!
[17:35] <NigeyS> Zuph
[17:36] <Zuph> mattltm: Alright, I'll reset your password manually
[17:36] <mattltm> Ta :)
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[17:38] <Zuph> NigeyS: Google tells me that you don't know Welsh :-P "Blymia complete chybôl I like 'Sure!"
[17:39] <NigeyS> haha online translators suck
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[17:39] <NigeyS> it should have read "It will sound like complete nonsense i am sure!"
[17:41] <Zuph> I don't imagine there's much pressure to create a Welsh to English translator.
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[17:43] <NigeyS> most definately not
[17:44] <SamSilver_> until they sing
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[17:49] <SamSilver> .
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[18:05] <SamSilver> firing up the barbeque (braai) will be be some-what around
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[19:01] <SamSilver> .
[19:01] <mattltm> Hows the BBQ going?
[19:01] <SamSilver> burp
[19:01] <SamSilver> oh excuse me
[19:01] <mattltm> That good eh?
[19:02] <SamSilver> lekker
[19:02] <SamSilver> home made marinade on chicken thighs
[19:02] <SamSilver> boerewors
[19:03] <SamSilver> boerewors is a coarse ground sausage with coriander and cloves spice-ing
[19:04] <SamSilver> back to the subject at hand
[19:04] <SamSilver> what is going up when?
[19:09] <fsphil> apart from the trans-atlantic flight, nothing much happening at the minute
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[19:09] <fsphil> ping gm8oti
[19:09] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[19:09] <fsphil> g'day LL
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[19:10] <SamSilver> fsphil is that today?
[19:10] <fsphil> not today, but not long now. they're doing a simulation tonight I think
[19:10] <SamSilver> in-situ??
[19:11] <fsphil> everything but the flight itself I think
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[19:13] <SamSilver> okay then the laoptop will be going to bed with me
[19:13] <SamSilver> simulation on nearspacenearus?
[19:13] <SamSilver> spacenearus?
[19:14] <SamSilver> hic
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[19:16] <fsphil> possibly http://track.whitestarballoon.com/
[19:16] <Zupht0r> If everything's working well, both spacenear and track.whitestarballoon.com will show up
[19:16] <fsphil> ah brill
[19:17] <SamSilver> the white guys are keeping their launch very hush hush
[19:17] <Zupht0r> Heh, we are?
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[19:18] <Zupht0r> SamSilver: We can't predict when we'll launch more than about 4 days ahead of time, due to the fickle nature of the jetstream.
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[19:19] <SamSilver> your balloon needs a bigger rudder :p
[19:19] <Zupht0r> We're trying to keep everyone as in-the-loop as possible. We ustream all our meetings, have a very active google group, and a constant stream of going ons on our twitter.
[19:19] <Zupht0r> Plus, we're almost always idling in this channel :)
[19:20] <SamSilver> thanx
[19:20] <SamSilver> I just had a hunch it was today and that we was in for a surprise
[19:21] <SamSilver> but I now see that it is all in the open
[19:21] <SamSilver> thanx for that
[19:21] <Zupht0r> heh, we have a launch announcement mailing list which is free from any other technical flak. You can sign up, and get email alerts of possible launch opportunities.
[19:22] <Zupht0r> Believe me, we're as excited as anyone to get this thing off the ground :)
[19:23] <SamSilver> Yes lets do launch!
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[19:35] <gm8oti> fsphil sorry was away, back now
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[19:36] <SamSilver__> I moved to bed and changed usb ports
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[19:39] <fsphil> hi gm8oti .. just curious.. where was it you said you travel to for doing the radio stuff?
[19:41] <gm8oti> fsphil I live in Edinburgh but from March to October am frequently down in south west Scotland
[19:41] <gm8oti> fsphil at Gatehouse of Fleet
[19:41] <fsphil> nice spot
[19:42] <gm8oti> fsphil yes lots of nice little hills to take my radio stuff up - good takeoff down across the Irish Sea
[19:42] <fsphil> the predictions occasionally have it landing there .. I was thinking if it was tracked well enough, I could go over in the ferry to find it
[19:42] <fsphil> by there I mean, that general part of Scotland
[19:43] <gm8oti> fsphil yup - hoping to go next weekend and will check out web access
[19:43] <gm8oti> fsphil may need to get a laptop dongle to get a decent connection
[19:44] <fsphil> ah, forgot about the internet access
[19:45] <gm8oti> fsphil yes I suspect the tracking wont be the problem, it would be live submission of data
[19:46] <fsphil> hopefully the wind won't be so bad anyway by then, but with the luck I've been having lately with weather I'm not counting on it :)
[19:48] <fsphil> you're right about there being lots of hills!
[19:48] <gm8oti> well I'll try to make sure I'm there when you next launch - can't guarantee that of course
[19:48] <Laurenceb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kugelmugel
[19:48] <Laurenceb> lmao
[19:48] <gm8oti> yes boggy boggy hills after the amount of rain and snow we've had recently
[19:49] <fsphil> oh yea, lots of the wet stuff this week
[19:49] <fsphil> and the cold icy stuff
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[19:52] <gm8oti> a nice even covering of snow might make it easy to find
[19:52] <gm8oti> but with your recent luck there's probably be another dump which would bury it ;-)
[19:52] <fsphil> indeed! I'm starting to think hab-launches cause snow
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[19:58] <Lunar_Lander> lol
[19:58] <Lunar_Lander> all the latex raining down
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[20:10] <fsphil> latex snow ... eek
[20:11] <mattltm> Sounds like a dream I once had...
[20:15] <fsphil> as long as it was just a dream
[20:21] <fsphil> mattltm, does the 857 come with a power cable to connect to the psu?
[20:28] <fsphil> ah it does, found the manual
[20:29] <mattltm> Yup.
[20:30] <mattltm> And it has the need brown wire trick too :)
[20:30] <gm8oti> fsphil, the FT-817 came with a power lead that needed connectors
[20:30] <mattltm> *neet
[20:30] <gm8oti> if you use a battery make sure you have something you can't connect the wrong way round
[20:30] <mattltm> Ah crap. Im just going to give up!
[20:30] <mattltm> I use powerpoles on mine.
[20:31] <gm8oti> I blew up a homebrew linear for 2m - so got some Anderson powerpoles
[20:31] <gm8oti> mattlm ;-)
[20:31] <fsphil> I've seen these on a youtube video gm8oti
[20:31] <gm8oti> sorry, mattltm
[20:31] <mattltm> Powerpoles are the way to go. I have everything 12V on black/red ones.
[20:32] <gm8oti> yup - and I use orange and black for 24V, yellow and black for 36V :)
[20:32] <mattltm> the 30A ones are good.
[20:32] <gm8oti> indeed they are
[20:32] <mattltm> Ah, good scheme.
[20:32] <fsphil> you have devices that need 36V DC?
[20:33] <gm8oti> I built a portable linear amp for 50MHz (6m) that has FETS that can give me 50W out but only with 36V!
[20:33] <mattltm> Portable + 36V :)
[20:34] <gm8oti> 3 x 4Ah SLAB = heavy
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[20:34] <mattltm> Thats one heck of a battery pack :)
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[20:34] <gm8oti> you'd need a big balloon to launch it - I just have to carry it
[20:35] <mattltm> gm8oti: I'm using a 5Ah LiPO pack for /P with an 857
[20:35] <mattltm> Nice and light :)
[20:35] <fsphil> I wish we could use amplifiers on the balloon payloads :)
[20:36] <gm8oti> mattltm, yes I intend to go the LiPO route now they're getting cheaper, just haven't got round to it yet
[20:36] <mattltm> fsphil: What project did you do for your 2e0?
[20:36] <fsphil> 7W audio amplifier from vellman (sp?)
[20:37] <gm8oti> quite a few of the SOTA crowd use them now
[20:38] <mattltm> gm8oti: That's where mine is heading once we get some sunshine :)
[20:39] <gm8oti> mattltm, ditto I'm a fair weather activator of summits
[20:39] <mattltm> fsphil: This one ? http://www.quasarelectronics.com/velleman/k4001-7w-mono-audio-amplifier-kit.htm
[20:39] <gm8oti> though it's mainly for testing my homebrew gear on a willing set of listeners ;)
[20:39] Action: LazyLeopard should probably get a LiPO sometime
[20:39] <mattltm> Lol. Sure :)
[20:39] <fsphil> that's it exactly mattltm -- nice simple build
[20:41] Action: LazyLeopard is a willing SOTA chaser, but the south east has a scarcity of summits for activation...
[20:41] <fsphil> I've done some listening from the top of the local 250m mountain/hill, but it was pretty quiet that day
[20:41] <mattltm> Cool. I was going to build a trackuino but I can't seem to get the pcb :(
[20:42] <gm8oti> fsphil, most times are quiet these days unless you're in a populous area
[20:42] <gm8oti> that's why the SOTA chasers are great testers of gear ;)
[20:42] <mattltm> Lazy, tell me about it!
[20:43] <fsphil> I can't tell if it's quiet here, or I just can't hear them
[20:43] <LazyLeopard> the noise on HF round here sometimes pushes the S-meter to 9...
[20:43] <fsphil> nah, it's not that bad really. there's usually someone on 2m
[20:43] <gm8oti> LazyLeopard, I'm sure we could swap some of ours, there's no shortage up here
[20:44] <LazyLeopard> Heh. I was chasing gm1ink all round them a couple of weeks back. ;)
[20:44] <mattltm> Plenty of noise to go around, unless you live in place devoid of RF huh fsphil?
[20:44] <fsphil> meh :p
[20:44] <gm8oti> even 2m is noisy here
[20:44] <LazyLeopard> south-east london has lots of hf noise, that's for sure...
[20:45] <fsphil> 160m is oddly quiet here most nights, but everything above that up until 6m is really noisy
[20:45] <fsphil> there's some really funky signals at 49.9mhz here
[20:45] <mattltm> Lazy: Are you going to the Cambridge rally tomorrow?
[20:46] <mattltm> 49.9? Baby monitors?
[20:46] <fsphil> not sure.. it's .. weird. I'll record it a bit
[20:46] <LazyLeopard> mattltm: Nope. A shade too far for me.
[20:46] <mattltm> Shame. Im driving up, maybe :)
[20:46] <SAmSilver_> night
[20:46] <mattltm> Bye Sam :)
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[20:48] <LazyLeopard> I gather a bunch of crazy CAmb Hams went on the overnight ferry to take in a rally in Holland today, and they're catching the overnight ferry back tonight in order to be at the Cambs rally tomorrow...
[20:48] <fsphil> lol mattltm, it is a baby monitor! I thought I'd try it in FM and someone's crying
[20:48] <LazyLeopard> Heh.
[20:48] <mattltm> fsphil: Some interesting listening!
[20:48] <mattltm> Lazy: They must be insane!
[20:49] <LazyLeopard> Clearly!
[20:49] <LazyLeopard> Certifiably!
[20:49] <fsphil> could be worse, could be country music
[20:49] <mattltm> lol
[20:51] <gm8oti> mattltm, just had a tune around, there's one at 49.855 here but it's clearly asleep just now :)
[20:52] <gm8oti> LazyLeopard, I used to carry a 12V car battery across the bogs in the outer isles for one of that lot doing WAB in the 70s!
[20:52] <LazyLeopard> Riiiight...
[20:53] <gm8oti> so the insanity's nothing new ...
[20:53] <LazyLeopard> car batteries don't fall under my definition of "portable" ;)
[20:53] <gm8oti> we were young ...
[20:54] Action: LazyLeopard was at Cambridge, once... November 5th was always a good time for expressing insanity...
[20:56] <fsphil> one of the many places I've yet to visit :)
[20:57] <mattltm> Anyone know a uk based one off PCB source?
[20:58] <Randomskk> pcb-train
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[21:04] <mattltm> Ta Randomskk
[21:04] <Randomskk> expensive though
[21:04] <Randomskk> if you aren't in a rush, I recommend seeed-studio.com who'll do $20 + $4 shipping for ten 5cm*5cm, two layers, silkscreen both sides, 6/6 clearance
[21:05] <mattltm> cool
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[21:13] <mattltm> I think i've found what to spend out hackerspace funding on!...
[21:13] <mattltm> http://www.coolcomponents.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=89&products_id=644
[21:14] <mattltm> Custom payload containers anyone?
[21:14] <NigeyLaptop> ill have 2 :p
[21:16] <mattltm> You think it would be a popylar thing to have?
[21:16] <NigeyLaptop> oh aye, can make some very good prototype objects in that
[21:17] <NigeyLaptop> i think theres a vid on there of a prototyped water pump
[21:17] <mattltm> watching one now..
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[22:38] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil I called you up in the talk :)
[22:39] <fsphil> oh, was afk
[22:39] <fsphil> looking for a mic
[22:40] <Lunar_Lander> np
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[23:05] <jcoxon> Hey zuph
[23:05] <jcoxon> Script working?
[23:05] <Zupht0r> roger that
[23:05] <Zupht0r> Like clockwork
[23:05] <jcoxon> Excellent
[23:10] <jcoxon> Still not sure if merging sat and hf will work, worried about timings
[23:11] <jcoxon> as sat position could be delayed
[23:11] <jcoxon> And the hf will have moved on
[23:12] <Lunar_Lander> hello jcoxon
[23:12] <jcoxon> Hello
[23:12] <Lunar_Lander> how are you?
[23:13] <jcoxon> Not bad thanks
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[23:19] <Lunar_Lander> nice to hear
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[23:28] <mattltm> Ji :)
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[23:38] <fsphil> booya
[23:38] <mattltm> Agh!
[23:39] <mattltm> fsphil you scared me!
[23:39] <fsphil> I have that effect on people
[23:39] <mattltm> lol
[23:39] <fsphil> and small animals
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[23:55] <NigeyS> oops mc lost net i guess
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