highaltitude.log.20110311

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[00:10] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[00:10] <Lunar_Lander> how's life?
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[00:22] <Lunar_Lander> hi MrCraig
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[00:26] <Lunar_Lander> hi Dan
[00:27] <Dan-K2VOL> Hi
[00:28] <Lunar_Lander> how are you?
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[00:46] <Zuph> This is going to be one multinational mission control crew.
[00:46] <russss> yay, the clouds finally cleared http://www.flickr.com/photos/russss/5515736655/
[00:47] <Zuph> Very nice russss
[00:47] <khotchkiss> Soo faa part 101: if I have 3 24in balloons connected to me, am I exempt?
[00:49] <Zuph> As long as your payload is less than 12 lbs (divided into no fewer than 2 containers of no more than 6lbs each)
[00:49] <khotchkiss> Sweet. wondered if I have to mark my lines and call them.
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[00:57] <griffonbot> Received email: Josh Taylor <joshingwiththemedia@gmail.com> "[UKHAS] Re: Follow my project!"
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[01:08] <natrium42> guh, yet another google group...
[01:09] <Zuph> heh
[01:09] <natrium42> nobody is going to subscribe
[01:10] <natrium42> why not use ukhas?
[01:11] <Zuph> Because his balloon project is a unique snow flake?
[01:11] <natrium42> i am sure it is :P
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[01:16] <Lunar_Lander> hi Zuph and natrium42
[01:17] <natrium42> hi Lunar_Lander
[01:18] <Lunar_Lander> I finished watching your talk
[01:18] <Lunar_Lander> it was very interesting
[01:18] <natrium42> thanks
[01:18] <natrium42> jcoxon got his spot hacked
[01:18] <Lunar_Lander> you're welcome
[01:18] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[01:18] <Lunar_Lander> is that good or bad?
[01:18] <natrium42> good
[01:19] <natrium42> it's very useful for floaters
[01:19] <natrium42> you don't need amateur radio then
[01:19] <natrium42> as it uses globalstar satellites
[01:20] <Zuph> We want cheap irridium radios :(
[01:20] <Lunar_Lander> ah that SPOT
[01:20] <natrium42> Zuph: you mean, cheap data plans :P
[01:20] <natrium42> it's $650 for 500 minutes or something
[01:21] <Zuph> irridium data isn't any more expensive than orbcomm data
[01:21] <Zuph> We wouldn't want voice :-p
[01:22] <MrCraig> hi Lunar_Lander - sorry for not responding when u hi'd me earlier, it appears I've been irc'ing in my sleep. o.O A little unwell fell asleep on the couch but my laptop decided to log me back in around 40 mins ago all by it's sek
[01:23] <MrCraig> self*
[01:23] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[01:23] <Lunar_Lander> no problem
[01:23] <natrium42> Zuph: well i have an iridum phone for you :P
[01:23] <MrCraig> hehe
[01:23] <natrium42> with expired sim
[01:24] <Zuph> bah
[01:25] <natrium42> i didn't even use the 500 minutes :/
[01:26] <Lunar_Lander> have to restart
[01:26] <Zuph> hah
[01:27] <MrCraig> I'm off to bed - nighters
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[01:33] <Lunar_Lander> back
[01:33] <Lunar_Lander> Zuph
[01:34] <Zuph> Lunar_Lander:
[01:34] <Lunar_Lander> Dan told me there will be an online mission control interface for controllers
[01:35] <Lunar_Lander> how does it look like?
[01:35] <Zuph> Yes, it's under the private portion of our wiki.
[01:35] <Zuph> Heh, it's just a series of links to valuable resources :-p
[01:38] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[01:38] <Lunar_Lander> but he told me that a remote controller would have to pilot the balloon
[01:41] <Zuph> ah!
[01:41] <Zuph> yes
[01:41] <Zuph> That is currently in our drop box, and will be put online shortly. It will be linked from that page
[01:41] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[01:42] <Lunar_Lander> how does that look like?
[01:42] <Lunar_Lander> like an instrument panel?
[01:48] <natrium42> lol
[01:51] <Lunar_Lander> he told me that there are screw-up commands
[01:51] <Lunar_Lander> like CUTDOWN
[01:51] <Lunar_Lander> but they are guarded
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[01:55] <Lunar_Lander> and ballast control I would imagine and so on
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[02:00] <W0OTM> Is this correct? http://www.w0otm.com/Projects/PortableVertical/Vertical_3.1.jpg
[02:00] <W0OTM> homebrew 10-40M vertical
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[05:47] <SamSilver> Laurence - I hope you are having success with your flushing!
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[06:36] <earthshine> morning
[06:41] <SamSilver> g day
[06:49] <Darkside> BOM balloon chasing!
[06:49] <Darkside> they launched a digisonde at a very odd time
[06:49] <Darkside> follow us on aprs.fi
[06:49] <Darkside> callsign VK5ZSN-9
[06:57] <Gnea> they're quaking in Japan, wonder if they're going to be using balloons for anything...
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[07:54] <NigelMoby> Morning peeps
[07:56] <SamSilver> hi
[07:56] <NigelMoby> My brain hurts
[07:56] <SamSilver> 56 cups of coffee needed
[07:57] <SamSilver> What you been puzeling with nigel?
[07:57] <NigelMoby> Black holes
[07:57] <SamSilver> ooohhh
[07:58] <SamSilver> was moby dick not an albino whale?
[07:58] <NigelMoby> A lecture I was listening to claims they have only 3 properties but if this is true it violates conservation of information.
[07:59] <SamSilver> tell us more
[08:01] <NigelMoby> Well my understanding is information is never lost, simply rejiggled and moved around, its a fundamental law of newtonian physics
[08:17] <fsphil> Isn't that why Hawking came up with the idea of Hawking radiation?
[08:21] <NigelMoby> It is Yup
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[08:22] <NigeyS> thats better a keyboard i can type on more than 1 wpm!
[08:23] <NigeyS> i dont like hawking radiation though, the idea of virtual particles .. hmm
[08:23] <SamSilver> I have fish to fry .... cheers
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[08:25] <fsphil> it's a funky idea for sure
[08:26] <NigeyS> its almost as bad as singularities
[08:28] <NigeyS> its bloody annoying that when people try to explain what a singularity is the dumb stuf they come out with, it is simply the fact that einsteins theory is a classical theory and cannot be used to explain a singularity, the laws of physics break down, until a theory of quantum gravity is developed and recognised we wont ever know whats at the heart of a black hole!
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[08:37] <fsphil> in my mind, it's basically the physical effect of dividing by zero
[08:39] <NigeyS> i'm putting money on it being something to do with the quarks
[08:42] <fsphil> I expect they'll find some other way of describing black holes that doesn't require a singularity
[08:45] <NigeyS> oh they will, when they find a theory of quantum gravity that works
[08:59] <fsphil> and hopefully some method of travelling faster than c :)
[09:01] <NigeyS> that's easy
[09:01] <fsphil> that doesn't involve ceasing to exist
[09:01] <NigeyS> travel with the expansion of space greater than C is possible .. through space however, is not
[09:02] <fsphil> ah, so I have to explode space to do it
[09:02] <NigeyS> indeed, might feel a bit travel sick at those speeds and G's though :P
[09:02] <NigeyS> you'd also shrink to half your size
[09:03] <fsphil> meh, earth ain't so bad :)
[09:05] <NigeyS> aye, our little blue marble is ok
[09:06] <NigeyS> when is your exam phil, this afternoon ?
[09:07] <fsphil> yea, about 6pm
[09:08] <fsphil> needa leave early incase it really does snow
[09:08] <NigeyS> meh bloody snow.. in march .. crazy or what !
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[09:26] <fsphil> We've had some in april before .. but it's pretty rare
[09:26] <fsphil> hopefully once it warms up there'll be some thunderstorms
[09:27] <fsphil> haven't seen a good one in aaages
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[10:12] <Dooberry> morn.
[10:17] <fsphil> hi hi
[10:20] <GW8RAK> Morning
[10:29] <fsphil> £3 for an A4 fresnel lens on ebay
[10:30] <GW8RAK> Got an idtem number?
[10:30] <GW8RAK> or even an item number
[10:30] <fsphil> 200583674277
[10:31] <fsphil> designed to magnify a page, but I'm wondering if it'd be useful for optical comms
[10:31] <GW8RAK> That is precisely what I'm interested in one for. I have a high power laser module.
[10:32] <GW8RAK> Do they come in different powers I wonder?
[10:32] <GW8RAK> Fresnel lenses, rather than that specific one.
[10:33] <GW8RAK> For £3, it's cheap enough to buy one and try it.
[10:36] <fsphil> indeed
[10:36] <fsphil> comes with a smaller one too
[10:37] <fsphil> hmm.. I wonder if any points between wales and n.ireland have LOS
[10:49] <GW8RAK> Top of Snowdon to the top of ?
[10:49] <GW8RAK> Can see Ireland on a clear day.
[10:49] <GW8RAK> from the top
[10:50] <GW8RAK> Other experimenters have got to about 76km or thereabouts, but that seems to be the limit.
[10:51] <SpeedEvil> 3dlens.com
[10:52] <SpeedEvil> got several.
[10:54] <fsphil> 76km would be hard to beat
[10:55] <SpeedEvil> For laser use, you'd want to take the lens off the laser, or focus it into a diverging beam, to the fresnel lens
[10:55] <SpeedEvil> then you have issues with the lens not being rigid
[10:55] <SpeedEvil> so orientation and a nice frame are crucial.
[10:56] <SpeedEvil> And then you need to put the lasers object point exactly at the focal point.
[10:56] <fsphil> better to use an LED there
[10:56] <SpeedEvil> Depends.
[10:56] <GW8RAK> After a virus last week, I've been running the clean and quicker system with Internet Explorer rather than Firefox. It is really clunky, cumbersome and slow. Horrible.
[10:57] <SpeedEvil> A laser has a source dimension of several um.
[10:57] <SpeedEvil> A LED of several mm.
[10:57] <fsphil> IEuuu
[11:00] <fsphil> not having much luck with that site SpeedEvil
[11:00] <fsphil> got the ebay one ordered, will have a play with that
[11:01] <SpeedEvil> In what way?
[11:01] <SpeedEvil> ah
[11:01] <fsphil> dns fail
[11:01] <SpeedEvil> I got one of http://www.3dlens.com/shop/large-fresnel-lens-a395b.php
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[11:02] <SpeedEvil> PING 3dlens.com (61.63.20.129) 56(84) bytes of data.
[11:02] <SpeedEvil> huge
[11:02] <fsphil> $ host 3dlens.com
[11:02] <fsphil> ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
[11:02] <SpeedEvil> Even more awesome would be if they would supply large lenses, cut into bits, so you could reassemble them
[11:02] <GW8RAK_> Couldn't survive any longer with IE, so back to Firefox. Also couldn't get 3dlens on IE, but loads okay on Firefox
[11:03] <SpeedEvil> So you could take - say - something like a greenhouse frame type thing, and make a 4m lens.
[11:03] Action: SpeedEvil ponders.
[11:03] <fsphil> Are you pondering what I'm pondering Pinky?
[11:03] Action: SpeedEvil wonders about optical silicone and moulding onto greenhouse glass.
[11:04] <fsphil> oooh
[11:04] <fsphil> GW8RAK_, good choice
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[11:04] <SpeedEvil> Making the master would be interesting.
[11:04] <SpeedEvil> But you'd only need it to be a simple prism, if you don't care about beam quality
[11:05] <SpeedEvil> Well - prism per radius
[11:06] <fsphil> hmm.. this fresnel lens comes with a plastic frame but it's probably useless
[11:07] <SpeedEvil> yeah - if you want it for actual lens, rather than as a magnifier
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[11:07] <SpeedEvil> for magnifier use, planarity is pretty unimportant
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[11:46] <Darkside> holy shiiiiit
[11:46] <Darkside> 2 digital sondes
[11:46] <Darkside> both in teh air
[11:46] <Darkside> they're going to land about 40km away from each otehr
[11:54] <jonsowman> Dooberry: hi there
[11:54] <jonsowman> you messaged me the other day
[11:55] <jonsowman> I've got to dash now, but can you please send an email to the CUSF mailing list detailing what you're after
[11:55] <jonsowman> cuspaceflight@cusu.cam.ac.uk
[11:55] <jonsowman> thanks! bbl
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[13:05] <Dooberry> Can I wrack someones brains re: basic balloon physics?
[13:07] <Dooberry> Specifically, the general principle in HAB ballooning is that the latex will eventually expand to breaking point.
[13:08] <Dooberry> however, what happens if you have an ultra light payload and - say - 3 helium balloons lifting it, all underflated to the point where it *just* lifts the payload off the ground
[13:09] <Dooberry> would those balloons ever "pop", or would they just reach a neutral point and drift forever more (or at least until the helium slowly seeps out of the latex)
[13:13] <NigeyS> they would expand with altitude, and eventually pop or leak also
[13:13] <NigeyS> its something jcoxon has been trying out
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[13:21] <fsphil> they may float for a time
[13:21] <GW8RAK> The drawback to very low lift is the time it would take to get to final altitude.
[13:21] <fsphil> but eventually the UV will break down the latex
[13:21] <GW8RAK> If you are thinking of reaching a very high altitude, that is.
[13:23] <Laurenceb_> there is a superpressure effect as well
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[13:23] <Laurenceb_> rjharrison saw that on his alititude attempts
[13:25] <fsphil> someone explained it once, can't remember now. something like the internal pressure wouldn't ever get high enough to cause the balloon to pop
[13:26] <SpeedEvil> The balloon has a overpressure/diameter curve.
[13:28] <SpeedEvil> Then you take another graph of the atmospheric pressure, and subtract off the overpressure of the balloon at that altitude. At some point, if the balloon is going to be stable, you get a flat spot on the curve.
[13:28] <SpeedEvil> Or something like that.
[13:28] <SpeedEvil> The balloon needs to get to a certain diameter to pop.
[13:29] <SpeedEvil> Not a certain pressure.
[13:29] <fsphil> true
[13:30] <SpeedEvil> If the overpressure any time before it would pop is high enough that the balloon overall lift falls to zero due to the overpressure compressing the gas volume and reducing lift, then it hovers.
[13:31] <fsphil> would it start descending if the gas starts cooling?
[13:31] <SpeedEvil> yes
[13:31] <SpeedEvil> Well - it then gets complex.
[13:31] <SpeedEvil> As to do it right, you need to know how it behaves at different temperatures
[13:36] <Laurenceb_> this is why its very hard to get above 36km with latex balloons
[13:42] <Laurenceb_> stupid pipes
[13:42] <fsphil> would be nice to get above 40km, but it just seems impractical
[13:43] <Laurenceb_> yes
[13:43] Action: Laurenceb_ still has data buffering issues in python
[13:51] <GW8RAK> fsphil, just found the link to a page about laser pointer modulation. http://www.maxmcarter.com/lasrstuf/lasermodulator.html
[13:53] <Laurenceb_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0iqeKu1R2o
[13:55] <SamSilver> Laurence I feel your pain
[13:55] <staylo> It'll never catch a kitten at that speed
[13:57] <fsphil> GW8RAK, got that linked -- will give it a read after work. looks quite complicated!
[13:57] <GW8RAK> The optics are the biggest problem for long range.
[13:58] <GW8RAK> Electronically, it's quite simple.
[13:58] <Darkside> 2/3 of todays radiosondes recovered
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[13:59] <Dan-K2VOL> What is frigg
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[14:05] <fsphil> ah, it's just a kind of PWM modulator
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[14:20] <SpeedEvil> Darkside: ?
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[14:27] <W0OTM> Hello World
[14:27] <Dooberry> Heya W0OTM
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[14:28] <Dooberry> phil, Nigey, GW8RAK, Speedevil, Laurence - thanks for the reply
[14:28] <Dooberry> I was cooking lunch so was AFK
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[14:38] <SamSilver> swopping laptops - back in 10
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[15:05] <fsphil> eep.. the area around the nuclear power station near the japan earthquake is being evacuated
[15:06] <Laurenceb_> well im some distance away
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[15:37] <SamSilver> k6rpt-8 is up and away
[15:37] <SamSilver> http://aprs.fi/?call=k6rpt-8&mt=roadmap&z=11&timerange=86400
[15:38] <NigeyS> nicey
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[15:40] <Dan-K2VOL> good afternoon all
[15:42] <SamSilver> Hi Dan
[15:42] <NigeyS> ello dan
[15:50] <Dan-K2VOL> Doing a mission control simulation saturday from 1900 UTC to 2300 UTC, specifically for European region remote mission controllers. If you're involved already, please try to join Mumble or interested in being involved, please email me at dan@whitestarballoon.org
[15:50] <NigeyS> :)
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[16:00] <SamSilver> simulation is for wimps - launch the bugger :P
[16:00] <spacefelix> It's just called in-situ simulation. ;D
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[16:18] <mattltm> Hi :)
[16:19] <jgrahamc> The "Project Space Planes" folks have announced the end of their project. Still sticking to the "we're confirming reports" story: http://projectspaceplanes.com/post/3785723985/well-this-is-it-were-at-the-end-of-our-project
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[16:21] <Darkside> sooo
[16:21] <NigeyS> inconclusive is a word that springs to mind
[16:21] <Darkside> i now have 3 vaisala RS92-SGPs
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[16:22] <NigeyS> noo not the gazelle!
[16:23] <mattltm> Darkside: I have a box full of the RS80's
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[16:26] <Darkside> mattltm: the analog ones, right?
[16:27] <mattltm> Yup. With the GPS reciver built in.
[16:27] <mattltm> They have a sweet helix antenna :)
[16:29] <Darkside> eh?
[16:29] <Darkside> the analog ones dont have GPS
[16:29] <mattltm> Uh hu. These ones do :)
[16:30] <Darkside> by 'analog' sondes, i mean ones that broadcast a sequence of toes
[16:30] <Darkside> tones*
[16:30] <Darkside> not ones that broadcast GMSK data
[16:30] <mattltm> Not sure. They ar RS80
[16:30] <mattltm> *are
[16:30] <Darkside> RS80 is digital afaik
[16:30] <mattltm> Never truned one on :)
[16:30] <mattltm> I just rip them apart :)
[16:31] <Dan-K2VOL> Ewww darkside, I don't know if I want to tear into something that broadcasts a bunch of toes
[16:31] <mattltm> lol
[16:32] <LazyLeopard> gives a whole new meaning to splatter...
[16:32] <Darkside> hmm
[16:32] <Darkside> theres a chip on this board labeled DSP1CB
[16:33] <Darkside> makes me wonder if its a clone od the dspic
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[16:47] <K7RKT> anyone watching K6RPT-8 ?
[16:48] <SamSilver> yip it seems to have stopped
[16:48] <SamSilver> mid air
[16:48] <SamSilver> 7km/h
[16:48] <K7RKT> ya -- straight up!
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[17:24] <K7RKT> K6RPT at 125K, just 10K more for a new record!
[17:24] <jcoxon> evening
[17:24] <SamSilver> james hi
[17:25] <jcoxon> hey SamSilver
[17:26] <jcoxon> ooo going to follow that launch
[17:26] <jcoxon> hey Zuph
[17:27] <Zuph> Good morning jcoxon
[17:28] <jcoxon> managed to hack SPoT last night
[17:28] <SamSilver> kewl > does Spot now fetch your slippers?
[17:28] <jcoxon> hehe i wish
[17:31] <jcoxon> oh no its coming down
[17:33] <SamSilver> i c
[17:36] <K7RKT> K6RPT maxed out at 127,600
[17:39] <SamSilver> that is right up there!
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[17:51] <jcoxon> not bad at all really
[17:56] <jgrahamc> Looks like it's going to come down conveniently fairly close to that road.
[17:57] <jcoxon> jgrahamc, good work on the payload :-)
[17:57] <jgrahamc> Oh, thanks jcoxon. Getting the GPS working at midnight standing in the freezing garden was a magical moment. Lovely to see those TSIP packets being decoded!
[17:57] <jcoxon> ooo you went the TSIP packet route
[17:58] <jcoxon> not NMEA
[17:58] <jgrahamc> The first lock on the GPS (Lassen IQ) took 9 minutes (totally cold start).
[17:58] <jcoxon> thats the lassen for you - old school
[17:58] <jgrahamc> Well, since the Lassen IQ is spitting out TSIP packets already and the NMEA isn't by default configured for useful strings I figured I'd have to send some TSIP so I might as well just use TSIP.
[17:59] <jcoxon> pah you only need GPGGA
[17:59] <jgrahamc> If you zoom in on the satellite view for K6RPT it looks like it found a tree
[17:59] <jcoxon> :-p
[17:59] <jcoxon> what freq is your ntx2 on?
[18:00] <jgrahamc> I'm quite happy with handling hex strings. All the code is in the repository for others if they want to go that way https://github.com/jgrahamc/gaga/blob/master/gaga-1/flight/gaga1/tsip.cpp
[18:00] <jgrahamc> 434.650
[18:01] <jgrahamc> Did a three mile test across a reservoir the other day. Worked well.
[18:01] <jcoxon> cool
[18:01] <jcoxon> i might launch around the same time
[18:01] <jcoxon> will be doing a pinhole floater
[18:02] <jgrahamc> Cool. The more the merrier. I'm guessing I'll be doing it in April at this point.
[18:02] <jcoxon> i'm wanting a flight path over france
[18:03] <jgrahamc> What's the plan for your flight?
[18:04] <jcoxon> a long range float test really
[18:04] <jcoxon> over france as i can get a NOTAM for it and maximise recovery
[18:04] <jgrahamc> What type of balloon are you using?
[18:04] <jcoxon> it'll be radio + spot sat transmitter
[18:04] <jcoxon> 1.5kg with a pinhole
[18:04] <MoALTz> has anyone else been tempted to design/make a cryocooler?
[18:05] <SamSilver> ooohh crycooler now we talking
[18:06] <jgrahamc> Fun. You sent my polystyrene box into the sea last time, right?
[18:06] <SamSilver> lots of gas, but the way to go when $ now prob
[18:07] <jcoxon> jgrahamc, maybe :-)
[18:07] <jcoxon> you'll like my spot hack
[18:07] <SamSilver> MoALTz we are talking about liquid helium at atmospheric preasure?
[18:07] <jgrahamc> Yeah, what are you doing with SPOT?
[18:07] <MoALTz> SamSilver: no. that sounds way too hard!
[18:08] <jcoxon> i've cut its connection to its own GPS and am now feeding it my own nmea (but faked to allow me to transmit extra data in the form of lat/lon)
[18:08] <MoALTz> also, might be not possible from a critical pressure pov (i cannot remember the critical stats of He)
[18:08] <jgrahamc> Neat jcoxon. What's the plan for it?
[18:09] <jcoxon> well it means that we can do long range flights and still be able to track
[18:09] <jcoxon> so if we get a sat position every 20mins even if we go out of radio range we'll still be okay
[18:09] <jcoxon> also recently there are more dl-fldigi stations cropping up in France
[18:09] <jcoxon> so tracking will be easier
[18:10] <SamSilver> go south James .... go south young man
[18:10] <SamSilver> St Tropaz is a neat LZ
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[18:18] <SamSilver> is the SPOT sensitive to which way is up?
[18:18] <SamSilver> orientation?
[18:18] <jcoxon> yes
[18:18] <jcoxon> very much so
[18:19] <jcoxon> there is a guide online for a hamster ball gimble thingy
[18:19] <jcoxon> for ballooning
[18:19] <SamSilver> I am your man
[18:21] <SamSilver> I don't have SPOT coverage :(
[18:26] <SamSilver> I got KD8odk-7 @ 28 399 m
[18:26] <SamSilver> on the way down now
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[18:58] <gb73d> Hi Dan
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[19:00] <SamSilver> time to walk the dog ... chow
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[19:22] <DanielRichman> gb73d: hi
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[19:25] <gb73d> good to seeya last night, 1st time ive met anyone froma chat room at all I think
[19:25] <gb73d> proves there are real people behind the keys !
[19:26] <DanielRichman> :-) glad you liked the talk
[19:27] <gb73d> yep it was better than I expected, the live data mode demo was very well done and not easy
[19:28] <gb73d> hope ur Alien 2 work continues and will look out for the launch this time
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[19:28] <gb73d> good luck
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[19:30] <gb73d> i had a look at whitestar site they dont seem to be launching this weekend
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[19:31] <imrcly> no we don't have a favorable jetstream
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[19:31] <imrcly> we are waiting on the winds now
[19:32] <gb73d> kool better to wait for the ideal
[19:32] <gb73d> has anyone done an study if the theoreticakly best geog location to launch a transatlantic attempt ?
[19:33] <gb73d> dont want to waste days crossing the usa, launch near ocean perhaps
[19:33] <gb73d> there must be a shortest route
[19:33] <imrcly> an ideal route has us off hte coast in less than 8 hours
[19:34] <gb73d> hte ?
[19:34] <imrcly> the
[19:34] <gb73d> Ndew york ? FL?
[19:34] <imrcly> we forecasted a few in december that had us accross the atlantic in less than 24 hours
[19:34] <gb73d> realy
[19:35] <gb73d> so if its really fast it wont matter too much
[19:35] <imrcly> yeah
[19:35] <gb73d> the tx one a few years back nearly made it , got furthest, landed off s Eire , ran out of ballast I think
[19:36] <gb73d> needed about 1-1.5 days extra
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[19:37] <gb73d> it used a 10mhz beacon, I think that is better than 20 or 7
[19:37] <gb73d> combines day and night propo
[19:38] <gb73d> at 14mhz we loose propo after launch at sunset
[19:38] <gb73d> 7mhz will be better
[19:38] <imrcly> we think it might have been nighttime icing on the ballon that cause the balloon to dump all its ballast
[19:38] <gb73d> however daylight range will be less
[19:38] <gb73d> oic yes
[19:38] <gb73d> icing
[19:38] <gb73d> quite possible
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[19:40] <gb73d> good luck , I reckon itll make the papers if one gets across
[19:40] <gb73d> alll the way
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[20:19] <Laurenceb__> imo trying to keep the balloon in the stratosphere might be worth it
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[20:43] <gb73d> anyone here used OpenDA ?
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[21:54] <NigeyS> sooooo
[21:54] <NigeyS> quiet night in habland eh#
[22:03] <jcoxon> evening
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[22:23] <NigeyS> evening jcoxon
[22:23] <NigeyS> scrap the locosys samples btw
[22:24] <jcoxon> oh really
[22:25] <NigeyS> they want almost £50 delivery
[22:25] <jcoxon> yeah the personal use part must have fallen out somewhere
[22:26] <NigeyS> must have, thats annoying, but im not prepared to pay that for a firmware that may or may now work
[22:26] <NigeyS> not*
[22:26] <jcoxon> yeah
[22:27] <NigeyS> will use the Lassen on Swift-2
[22:28] <NigeyS> if it breaks.. woopsie
[22:32] <jcoxon> hmm this is fustrating, code and hardware that works on my arduino pro doesn't work on my flight computer
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[22:52] <fsphil> evening all
[22:53] <MrCraig> evening fsphil
[22:54] <LazyLeopard> evening fsphil. How'd it go?
[22:54] <fsphil> all good LazyLeopard - everyone passed
[22:55] <fsphil> and the snow waited until I got home
[22:55] <LazyLeopard> Excellent. When're you taking the Advanced one? ;)
[22:55] <fsphil> lol, not for a while
[22:55] <fsphil> I've browsed through the book -- scary stuffs
[22:57] <jonsowman> fsphil: you'll be fine :) it's not so bad
[22:57] Action: LazyLeopard took two months to cover it adequately.
[22:57] <fsphil> not bad
[22:58] <fsphil> they don't hold the course very often here
[22:59] <LazyLeopard> ...and a friend managed to pass all three exams in two weeks (but he has been playing with things electronic since the days of valves).
[22:59] Action: jonsowman skimmed through the book the day before... but then I am in the middle of an engineering degree so I'm supposed to know it anyway
[22:59] <LazyLeopard> Just read the book thoroughly.
[23:00] <fsphil> read book, do mock tests - that's my plan ;-)
[23:00] <jonsowman> mock tests are a great idea
[23:01] <LazyLeopard> ...and for the Advanced exam you get a page of formulae and the full licence document as your hand-out.
[23:01] <LazyLeopard> For mock tests, the "exam secrets" book is good.
[23:02] <LazyLeopard> There's also at least one mock test on the RSGB website (in the tutors section, I think).
[23:03] <fsphil> hmpf, ofcom site is offline
[23:03] <jonsowman> fine here
[23:04] <fsphil> well, this bit anyway: https://services.ofcom.org.uk/
[23:04] <jonsowman> ah, yes
[23:04] <fsphil> not that I can get my callsign anyway :)
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[23:11] <jcoxon> hmmm it seems that SPoT won't work with Software Serial
[23:13] <LazyLeopard> fsphil: just wait 'til you have to wait for the results of your advanced...
[23:17] <natrium42> jcoxon: is baud rate correct?
[23:17] <jcoxon> 9600
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[23:20] <natrium42> are you sure you are clocking the micro with what you think you are?
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[23:23] <jcoxon> its at 8mhz
[23:23] <jcoxon> i haven't changed it
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[23:25] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[23:28] <jcoxon> natrium42, it seems that i just can't cope with software serial
[23:28] <jcoxon> it*
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[23:28] <natrium42> weird
[23:28] <natrium42> hi Lunar_Lander
[23:29] <Lunar_Lander> japanese NPP in danger
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[23:30] <juxta> jcoxon, there's nothing else triggering interrupts and messing with the timing?
[23:31] <Lunar_Lander> hi Dan-K2VOL
[23:31] <Darkside> morning juxta
[23:31] <Darkside> 3 DIGITAL SONDES!!!!!!!
[23:31] <juxta> hey Darkside - well done last night :)
[23:31] <jcoxon> juxta, nope
[23:32] <jcoxon> juxta, natrium42 http://pastebin.com/ivvRW9uH
[23:32] <Darkside> juxta: i'm going to start on ripping the EEPROM contsnts at hackerspace today
[23:32] <juxta> sweet
[23:35] <Darkside> going to have to figure out how to write code for the bus pirate to do it
[23:35] <juxta> have you got a bus pirate?
[23:35] <Darkside> yep
[23:35] <juxta> aweseome
[23:36] <juxta> I was considering getting a Saleae lgoic analyzer
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[23:36] <Lunar_Lander> hi Zuph
[23:36] <Darkside> jesus christ what the fuck happened in japan
[23:36] <Zuph> Hi Lunar_Lander
[23:36] <Zuph> Darkside: too early for Godzilla jokes?
[23:36] <Lunar_Lander> yeah I hope that they can avert it
[23:36] <juxta> jcoxon, I'm not up to speed - what are you working on? :)
[23:37] <jcoxon> hehe i've disconnected the gps on spot sat tx'er and am injecting my own custom NMEA
[23:38] <jcoxon> it works with hardware uart but not software serial
[23:38] <MrCraig> Zuph: I'd say so :-/
[23:38] <Zuph> In summary, incredible foresightful government action paired with engineering talent and skill turned the disaster of the century into the mere disaster of the decade.
[23:38] <juxta> that's a pretty cool idea jcoxon
[23:38] <Lunar_Lander> Zuph so they solved the problem?
[23:39] <Zuph> Are we talking about the nuclear reactor in particular right now?
[23:39] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[23:40] <Zuph> BBC America was reporting that the situation was under control, so I don't know.
[23:41] <SpeedEvil> If TV has taught me anything, it's that tomorrow there will be an 80 foot tall kitten rampaging through tokyo.
[23:41] <Lunar_Lander> yeah they brought in a generator
[23:41] <jcoxon> juxta, it'll be cooler if i can get it onto software serial! :-p
[23:41] <Dan-K2VOL> hey jcoxon
[23:42] <jcoxon> hi Dan-K2VOL
[23:42] <juxta> heh - is the soft serial clocking the data out correctly as natrium42 suggested? can something else read it from the micro?
[23:42] <LazyLeopard> Darkside: 8.9 subduction seismic event with multiple aftershocks up to 7.1, and tsunami up to 11 metres...
[23:42] <jcoxon> juxta, my console can read it
[23:42] <juxta> oh righyt
[23:42] <jcoxon> via my serial-usb convetor
[23:44] <Darkside> LazyLeopard: eek
[23:44] <jcoxon> i'm not happy to put the real GPS onto software serial as its too important to go wrong
[23:44] <juxta> yeah
[23:44] <Darkside> i'm reading teh coverage on aljazeera atm
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[23:58] <Lunar_Lander> is this offer good? http://cgi.ebay.de/KODAK-Monster-Sparpaket-100-ALKALINE-BATTERIEN-AAA-AA-/350414779379?pt=Batterien_Akkus&hash=item51965933f3#ht_4584wt_1139
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