highaltitude.log.20110306

[00:00] <jcoxon> Zuph, in its current state it will only upload new data which appears after startup
[00:00] <Zuph> Alright, that's good.
[00:01] <Zuph> Well, we'll always have your old script as a back up if the new one fails catastrophically. I'll note the failure mode and send you an email so you can fix it at a relatively sane hour given the time zone :)
[00:01] <jcoxon> hehe yes
[00:01] <jcoxon> i'm working 9-5 tomorrow so if you get it to me before 9UTC i'll fix it :-p
[00:02] <Zuph> heh, might still be up at 9UTC :-p
[00:02] <jcoxon> i think the issues will come clear early on
[00:02] <jcoxon> might be worth testing a restart of the script mid stream
[00:02] <Zuph> Good idea. We'll do that given the opportunity.
[00:03] <Zuph> Still wrestling with cpan on this side, but I don't expect it to be a problem.
[00:03] <jcoxon> if not we can run it on habhub
[00:03] <jcoxon> can get you a login
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[00:07] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[00:07] <Lunar_Lander> http://arduino.cc/playground/Main/LEDPots
[00:07] <Lunar_Lander> check the headline
[00:08] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[00:14] <Lunar_Lander> v
[00:14] <Lunar_Lander> http://arduino.cc/playground/uploads/Learning/solenoid_driver.pdf
[00:14] <Lunar_Lander> so if I get it, you need a transistor to run a solenoid?
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[00:49] <NigeyS> ello juxta
[00:54] <Lunar_Lander> good night
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[01:07] <juxta> hey NigeyS, sorry, just had a shower
[01:07] <NigeyS> no worries, how's things ?
[01:07] <juxta> good - lovely weather here
[01:08] <NigeyS> meh cold and windy here :(
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[01:24] <juxta> NigeyS, where abouts are you again?
[01:24] <NigeyS> south wales :/
[01:25] <juxta> i see
[01:25] <juxta> is it heavily populated there?
[01:26] <NigeyS> hmm it is fairly yeah, cardiff's about half the size of london
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[01:37] <Zuph> Bah, Britons and your sense of "heavily populated" :-p
[01:38] <NigeyS> haha hey Zuph
[01:39] <Zuph> 'Evening
[01:39] <NigeyS> don't forget we are only a little tiny island after all :p
[01:41] <Zuph> Fair enough.
[01:42] <NigeyS> how did your battle go with CPAN ?
[01:42] <juxta> we're on a huge island
[01:42] <juxta> and you still have 3 times our population ;p
[01:43] <NigeyS> lol thats because no-one is silly enough to live in most of the north of it!
[01:43] <juxta> not just the north, pretty much most of the country
[01:43] <juxta> only the coast is inhabited really
[01:43] <NigeyS> what is the population of aus anyway ?
[01:44] <juxta> 22million i think
[01:44] <Zuph> CPAN was defeated.
[01:44] <NigeyS> blimey
[01:44] <juxta> google says 21.8, close enough
[01:44] <NigeyS> yey Zuph ! it can be a right ******** sometimes!
[01:44] <NigeyS> id emigrate their in a flash but you have scarey spiders and snakes!
[01:45] <NigeyS> there*
[01:45] <juxta> heh
[01:46] <juxta> the big spiders you're thinking of don't live in my state
[01:46] <Zuph> heh, I've entertained vague notions of doing a working holiday in Aus. One of the few countries that will let Americans do such a thing.
[01:46] <juxta> assuming you are thinking of these NigeyS http://blog.hotelclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/funnel-web-spider.jpg
[01:46] <NigeyS> you can do that here .. just bring lots of wooly jumpers and waterproofs :p
[01:47] <NigeyS> eeeeeeew now thats a spider!
[01:47] <fsphil> you won't need the jumpers and waterproofs all the time .. we get almost four days of summer!
[01:47] <NigeyS> lmao phil! maybe 5 if it's good year :P
[01:48] <juxta> how hot is summer?
[01:50] <Zuph> KY Summer = 32 to 37f with too damn much humidity.
[01:50] <Zuph> s/f/c
[01:51] <juxta> KY = Kentucky?
[01:51] <NigeyS> uk summer .. err .. highest weve had is 33c for like a few days but average i think is prolly about 20 / 21c
[01:52] <Zuph> juxta: aye
[01:53] <Zuph> A bad summer will see at least a few days topping 40c, with ridiculous humidity.
[01:53] <NigeyS> eugh i bet thats unpleasant :(
[01:56] <Zuph> It is.
[01:58] <Zuph> Visit in the Spring or Fall :-p
[01:59] <NigeyS> yer, think i'll bypass your summer !
[01:59] <Zuph> Just avoid July, August and September and you're good :-p
[01:59] <NigeyS> anyway bed time, nn all :)
[02:00] <Zuph> later, NigeyS
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[04:08] <griffonbot> @LVL1WhiteStar: Mission Control Simulations are good, supposedly, in reality they seem to find more bugs to fix. Jet Stream ain't ready anyway. #arhab [http://twitter.com/LVL1WhiteStar/status/44247928709193728]
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[04:59] <natrium42> WhiteStarMC-191: wowaweewa
[04:59] <Dan-K2VOL> Hello Natrium42 haha
[04:59] <natrium42> hi dan
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[05:03] <natrium42> how are tests?
[05:03] <Dan-K2VOL> They are on hold while we're fixing all the glitches found during the tests
[05:03] <Dan-K2VOL> Lots of little thing
[05:03] <Dan-K2VOL> S
[05:03] <Dan-K2VOL> Damn this is complicated alexei
[05:04] <natrium42> KISS :D
[05:04] <Dan-K2VOL> It really feels way too much like we're trying to launch a damn rocket into space
[05:04] <natrium42> haha
[05:04] <natrium42> any ideas when PBH are planning to launch?
[05:04] <Dan-K2VOL> yes, KISS, I'd like to make it more like that, but I'm afraid that to do that, and keep air traffic safe, we've got to do it this way first
[05:04] <Dan-K2VOL> Uh
[05:05] <Dan-K2VOL> I'm afraid you missed em
[05:05] <Dan-K2VOL> Yesterday
[05:05] <natrium42> but it was an alt attmpt
[05:05] <Dan-K2VOL> yes
[05:05] <natrium42> not a crossing
[05:05] <Dan-K2VOL> For x-atlantic, april
[05:05] <natrium42> ah, k
[05:05] <natrium42> so you have time :)
[05:06] <Dan-K2VOL> Ha, I'm afraid the jet stream is more of a worry than they are
[05:06] <Dan-K2VOL> Yeah
[05:07] <imrcly> i blame the public school system
[05:08] <natrium42> imrcly: it's the teachers, they are earning too much!
[05:09] <imrcly> or not using bug enough beating sticks
[05:09] <imrcly> sp/bug / big
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[07:28] <jcoxon> moeninf
[07:29] <jcoxon> morning
[07:29] <jcoxon> *
[07:36] <natrium42> hi jcoxon
[07:37] <jcoxon> hey natrium42
[07:37] <natrium42> sup?
[07:38] <jcoxon> tired
[07:38] <jcoxon> got work in an hour
[07:38] <jcoxon> you?
[07:38] <natrium42> getting ready for bed
[07:38] <natrium42> it's 11:38 pm
[07:38] <jcoxon> hehe
[07:38] <jcoxon> you in california?
[07:38] <natrium42> yes
[07:39] <jcoxon> thats early for you :-p
[07:39] <natrium42> i know, but i have been trying to switch to a normal sleeping cycle
[07:39] <natrium42> :)
[07:39] <natrium42> stopped drinking coffee a few days ago
[07:39] <natrium42> for a month or something
[07:39] <jcoxon> sounds very healthy
[07:40] <natrium42> thanks doc :)
[07:46] <natrium42> g'nite
[08:00] <earthshine> morning
[08:04] <jcoxon> hey earthshine
[08:04] <jcoxon> making progress with the flight computer?
[08:04] <juxta|console> evening
[08:05] <earthshine> jcoxon: Yeah. Working on the radio circuit today.
[08:08] <jcoxon> cool
[08:08] <earthshine> Whuch shouldn't take long. Then the code.
[08:09] <jcoxon> have you seen this:
[08:09] <jcoxon> http://wiki.ukhas.org.uk/projects:picoatlas:picoatlasi#radiometrix_ntx2
[08:20] <earthshine> No I haven't.
[08:20] <earthshine> Thanks that will help a lot.
[08:20] <jcoxon> np
[08:22] <juxta|console> that's very well documented jcoxon :)
[08:25] <jcoxon> yeah - i did it while i built it
[08:25] <jcoxon> hopefully there is all the info their you need to build a basic flight computer
[08:25] <jcoxon> so we perhaps should point people to it
[08:25] <earthshine> it is fantastic
[08:28] <earthshine> jcoxon: Where did you buy the Aerocomm ?
[08:29] <jcoxon> oh i got it a long time ago
[08:29] <jcoxon> probably 2007
[08:29] <jcoxon> i have the Dev kit
[08:29] <earthshine> ahh yes i see that in the pic
[08:30] <jcoxon> yeah it was for Pegasus III
[08:30] <jcoxon> so 2006
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[08:41] <jcoxon> bbl
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[11:23] <fsphil> meh, my monitor won't switch on
[11:35] <fsphil> eek, does nobody sell 4:3screens anymore?
[11:36] <Randomskk> not really
[11:36] <Randomskk> 4:£ was always unusual for LCDs
[11:36] <Randomskk> 4:3*
[11:36] <Randomskk> most were 5:4
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[11:36] <Randomskk> http://www.ebuyer.com/search?page=1&store=5&cat=12&filterca4635=5:4
[11:36] <Randomskk> http://www.ebuyer.com/search?page=1&store=5&cat=12&filterca4635=4:3
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[11:37] <fsphil> true, this one was 5:4
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[11:38] <Randomskk> to be honest though, 16:10 is nicer :P
[11:38] <Randomskk> dual 16:10 24" widescreens better still
[11:39] <fsphil> that's an option
[11:39] <Randomskk> https://randomskk.net/u/anns_l11_3.JPG
[11:39] <fsphil> most don't say if they're glossy or not
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[11:51] <fsphil> the 15m band is full of stuff today
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[13:06] <fsphil> there's some nice 3D monitors out there
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[13:13] <NigeyS> afternoon
[13:14] <fsphil> g'day nigester
[13:14] <NigeyS> hey phil!
[13:14] <NigeyS> hmm wonder if Dan and co are still doing the sim
[13:18] <fsphil> not sure. there's someone in france doing tests with icarus data though
[13:19] <fsphil> not much happening on their site anway
[13:19] <fsphil> +y
[13:19] <NigeyS> yeah i just saw icarus on the tracker
[13:20] <NigeyS> oh dear the SAS have been captured in libya
[13:22] <Randomskk> bit rubbish of them to get themselves arrested
[13:22] <fsphil> yea
[13:22] <fsphil> wonder what they where up to
[13:22] <Randomskk> They were later arrested when it was discovered they were carrying weapons.
[13:23] <Randomskk> "Witnesses said that when the men's bags were checked they were found to contain arms, ammunition, explosives, maps and passports from at least four different nationalities.
[13:23] <NigeyS> kinda odd, theyre meant to be the "best in the world" :|
[13:23] <Randomskk> lol
[13:24] <NigeyS> unless they did it on purpose, who knows ...
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[13:39] <NigeyS> fsphil, Denmark still looks good :D
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[13:47] <earthshine> Anyone know where I can buy the NTX2 transmitter at 434.075 ?
[13:47] <earthshine> Farnell only have the 434.650
[13:49] <NigeyS> radiometrix will sell it to you directly
[13:49] <NigeyS> give them a call tomorrow
[13:49] <earthshine> ok cheers
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[13:49] <MrCraig> afternoon
[13:49] <earthshine> I do have one somewhere but i can't find the damned thing
[13:49] <NigeyS> lol sods law
[13:49] <NigeyS> afternoon MrCraig
[13:51] <fsphil> I found my missing atmega644p after about a month
[13:52] <fsphil> NigeyS, sweet -- shall start building soon
[13:52] <NigeyS> yey !
[13:52] <NigeyS> you lost it for a whole month? :o
[13:52] <earthshine> Usually happens to me. Buy something, come to use it, can't find it, serch high and low, end up buying another, then find the original one soon after.
[13:52] <fsphil> yea lol
[13:52] <NigeyS> lol always the way!
[13:53] <fsphil> along with it I also found a venus gps module, also lost for months
[13:53] <NigeyS> :o
[13:53] <MrCraig> similar experience but I didn't lose it - I went out and bought a replacement programmer because my kit one wasn't working... got home with the new one to discover the chip was inserted 180
[13:53] <fsphil> ooops!
[13:53] <NigeyS> hehe woopsie!
[13:53] <MrCraig> yah - but no harm, now I have two programmers.
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[13:54] <fsphil> ah, at least the magic smoke didn't get out
[13:54] <NigeyS> evil smoke!
[13:54] <MrCraig> yeah - and I also learned that my kit version had prettier solder joints than the pre-built
[13:54] <MrCraig> which means they both kinda sucked.
[13:55] <MrCraig> Have a solution for the baud rate issue btw - I was so stupid not to think of it to begin with, I'll just programatically alter the baud rate generator between RX and TX
[13:56] <fsphil> how low a baud rate can you get out of it?
[13:56] <MrCraig> good question
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[13:59] <MrCraig> 250 straight with theoretically no error margin at all
[13:59] <MrCraig> but no lower
[13:59] <MrCraig> hmm - unless..
[14:04] <eroomde> afternoon all
[14:04] <MrCraig> yeah, my chips have and 8-bit gen so 245-250 baud
[14:04] <MrCraig> afternoon eroomde
[14:05] <fsphil> I love the sound of this rocket: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dumolLDfWw4
[14:05] <NigeyS> sweeeet
[14:05] <MrCraig> sweet - it even sounds clean
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[14:06] <Laurenceb__> hi
[14:07] <NigeyS> hey laurence
[14:07] <MrCraig> hi Laurenceb
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[14:09] <NigeyS> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVsgSjm_vXg&feature=related
[14:09] <NigeyS> 1 of these please :D
[14:09] <NigeyS> hey matt
[14:09] <mattltm> Howdy ho :)
[14:10] <mattltm> Nice rocket :)
[14:11] <MrCraig> hey mattltm
[14:12] <fsphil> outer space here we come :)
[14:20] <fsphil> cool, 116 km is the highest amateur rocket altitude
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[14:27] <fsphil> UK record is just over 10km
[14:28] <SpeedEvil> Bits of my rocket have got to 600Km or so.
[14:28] <SpeedEvil> Atoms from the exhaust count, right?
[14:28] <fsphil> well if you put it like that, bits of my last balloon launch should be in the outer solar system by now ;-)
[14:29] <NigeyS> lol
[14:30] <Randomskk> my sphere of potential causality has got like over 19.7 light years away
[14:30] <Randomskk> hah
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[15:09] <mattltm> I have returned :)
[15:11] <mattltm> But it looks like everyone else has left!
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[15:16] <MrCraig> +
[15:16] <mattltm> Hi MrCraig :)
[15:18] <MrCraig> hi mattltm - hehe sorry for the typo
[15:21] <mattltm> Lol. No probs. I am the ytpo king :)
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[15:38] <fsphil> yay, finally heard some activity on 10m
[15:39] <MrCraig> oooh what'd ya hear?
[15:40] <fsphil> someone taking part in a contest
[15:40] <MrCraig> curious
[15:41] <fsphil> arrl contest
[15:41] <mattltm> cool :)
[15:41] <fsphil> he's on the isle of man -- making contacts all over the states
[15:42] <mattltm> You got his call?
[15:42] <MrCraig> ok - I'll read up on these contests
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[15:43] <fsphil> the start of it. .. my 2yr old niece decided to start singing...
[15:44] <Hiena> The next prodigy?
[15:44] <SpeedEvil> Or the next Lady Gaga?
[15:44] Action: SpeedEvil puts on 'Charlie'.
[15:44] <SpeedEvil> Or to be on-topic - the next Nena?
[15:44] <fsphil> haha, got Experience on in the background
[15:47] <fsphil> wait, wrong island -- he's on Cyprus on the Isle of man :)
[15:47] <mattltm> lol
[15:47] <fsphil> 5B4AIF
[15:47] <fsphil> I hear "Mike Bravo"
[15:48] <mattltm> Very nice. Whats the freq?
[15:48] <fsphil> 28.460
[15:49] <fsphil> I can't hear a single person he's talking to
[15:50] <mattltm> I can just hear him in the noise. MB4...
[15:50] <mattltm> MB4AWG maybe..
[15:50] <fsphil> it sounds like mb4 ... it's 5B4AIF
[15:50] <fsphil> coming in nice and clear here
[15:51] <fsphil> oh wait
[15:51] <mattltm> Lots of fading here
[15:51] <fsphil> it is mike
[15:51] <fsphil> still quite clear here
[15:52] <mattltm> MB4AIF is his call.
[15:52] <mattltm> just got it 9+
[15:53] <fsphil> and yet sometimes it sounds so like 5B
[15:53] <mattltm> yup.
[15:54] <fsphil> texas
[15:54] <fsphil> sweet
[15:54] <fsphil> ah, 400 watts
[15:56] <mattltm> The cyprus station is 5B4AIF. Booming in here now... May try a call :)
[15:56] <fsphil> hearing denmark
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[16:06] <fsphil> faded quite a bit now
[16:09] <fsphil> a few US stations higher up, quite strong
[16:10] <fsphil> this is cool - I wonder why I've never heard any of this before
[16:14] <mattltm> Prop?
[16:15] <fsphil> possibly .. though I've scanned through the band occasionally since i got the radio
[16:16] <fsphil> just bad timing I guess
[16:16] <mattltm> Yup. Prop is good from 30M to 10M at the moment.
[16:17] <fsphil> yea I can hear people on all bands atm
[16:17] <mattltm> Very good. Any inter G?
[16:18] <fsphil> none so far .. vast majority are from the states
[16:19] <NigeyS> hmm
[16:19] <mattltm> hmm??
[16:19] <NigeyS> windows narrator is insane
[16:20] <mattltm> It fits in well.
[16:20] <SpeedEvil> NigeyS: http://xkcd.com/462/ ?
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[16:41] Nick change: SAIDias -> W0OTM
[16:41] <W0OTM> Good Morning
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[16:42] <MrCraig> mornin
[16:42] <W0OTM> iHAB-3 RECOVERED. Flight Analysis : http://www.ihabproject.com/iHAB-3/
[16:43] <W0OTM> I have a video and MP3 still yet to post
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[17:13] <SpeedEvil> Congrats!
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[17:30] <jcoxon> afternoon
[17:30] <Dan-K2VOL> Aftrnoon!
[17:31] <Dan-K2VOL> We're going to take the payload out for a trip to the park, first time it'll run on it's own sat antenna
[17:31] <jcoxon> oooo, fingers crossed
[17:32] <jcoxon> also could the HF get a lock hehe
[17:32] <Dan-K2VOL> yes, we'll do it as if we were taking it to the launch site
[17:32] <jcoxon> instead of being stuck on bills house
[17:32] <Dan-K2VOL> Maybe, I'm not sure about how to get the HF antenna to a usful position easily
[17:32] <Dan-K2VOL> Heh too bad we don't have any balloon
[17:32] <Dan-K2VOL> :-P
[17:33] <jcoxon> i mean just the GPS on the HF
[17:33] <Dan-K2VOL> oh yeah it will
[17:33] <jcoxon> cool cool
[17:33] <Dan-K2VOL> Brb going to shoot alittle update vid for the masses here
[17:36] <NigeyS> hey Dan, James
[17:36] <Dan-K2VOL> Ni NigeyS
[17:39] <NigeyS> huh
[17:39] <NigeyS> The US Air Force has launched a second experimental space plane that resembles a small shuttle.
[17:39] <fsphil> W0OTM, was the slow ascent yesterday intentional?
[17:39] <NigeyS> they kept that quiet
[17:41] <Dan-K2VOL> Seeing this ship come out when the STS is being shelved makes me wonder if the Space Shuttle never was released from standby airforce mission duty
[17:41] <fsphil> SG-1 saving the world again
[17:41] <NigeyS> Dan-K2VOL, it does seem a bit suspect doesnt it
[17:41] <jcoxon> the X-37 is awesome
[17:41] <jcoxon> with hte worlds largest parafoil
[17:41] <jcoxon> when it was nasa back in the day
[17:43] <fsphil> it seems odd that the US would have two separate space programs
[17:43] <SpeedEvil> NACA was lots better.
[17:43] <SpeedEvil> NACA got poisoned by money.
[17:43] <SpeedEvil> 'Waste anything but time'
[17:43] <SpeedEvil> Is a motto that any beurocrat will take to their hearts.
[17:44] <NigeyS> indeed
[17:44] <Dan-K2VOL> Fsphil, I think I'd rather the military be required to do it's own dirty work, and not dirty the civilian science and exploration - you see what happened to the shuttle, in the NASA plan it was originally 1/2 the size, until congress told NASA they need to make it work for the Air Force, if they wanted money
[17:45] <Dan-K2VOL> The AF said it's got to carry things the size of freight lorries to orbit, and also land AT THE LAUNCH SITE in ONE ORBIT - hence the need to have wings the size of a 737
[17:46] <Dan-K2VOL> As the earth turns the launch site away from your orbit about 1000 miles during one orbit
[17:47] <fsphil> fair point
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[17:49] <NigeyS> good job they did state that it had to have a huge payload capacity mind, Hubble wouldnt have got to orbit otherwise
[17:49] <fsphil> it seems like the military program is being given more attention and funding than the civilian one
[17:50] <Dan-K2VOL> Sure it would have, on a normal rocket
[17:50] <NigeyS> wasnt it to big at the time ?
[17:51] <Dan-K2VOL> I doubt that, honestly at the time, congress mandated that all US space craft must be launched on shuttle if they could possibly fit
[17:51] <Dan-K2VOL> To force people to stop using cheaper disposable rocket service
[17:51] <NigeyS> ahh i get ya
[17:51] <Dan-K2VOL> in the early 1980s
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[17:52] <Dan-K2VOL> It was quite the hauler, they did all kinds of neat commercial missions before challenger - it was so neat seeing the pics of them in t-shirts riding to orbit
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[17:53] <NigeyS> Challenger :( such a sad story
[17:54] <Dan-K2VOL> Sad yes, but we must not let it hold us from making progress into space - none of the astronauts would have wanted that
[17:55] <SpeedEvil> I find it depressing that an astronauts life is worth more than a construction worker.
[17:55] <NigeyS> oh i agree, they know the risks, they take them on willingly
[17:55] <Dan-K2VOL> Brb
[17:57] Action: Laurenceb rages at flash
[17:58] <Laurenceb> how can i remove the flash player plugin for firefox?
[17:58] <Hiena> Look for the libflasplayer.fo file.
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[17:59] <Hiena> It's somewhere in the plugin directory.
[17:59] <Laurenceb> wheres that?
[17:59] <Hiena> Linux or Windows version?
[18:00] <Laurenceb> linux
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[18:00] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: flashblock
[18:00] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: Or alternatively, you can turn plugins off.
[18:01] Action: Laurenceb is trying to find plugins folder
[18:01] <SpeedEvil> 'plugins toggler' is an extension that lets you do what it says on the tin
[18:02] <Hiena> Well, that case it could be several places.
[18:03] <NigeyS> it may be in a hidden folder in the home dir to
[18:03] <Hiena> Try: ~/.mozilla/firefox/somegibberis.default/plugins
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[18:04] <Laurenceb> ok got it
[18:04] <Laurenceb> but now gnash isnt working
[18:04] <NigeyS> want a hammer ?
[18:05] <Laurenceb> well not on youtube - 'an error occured, please try again later'
[18:06] <Laurenceb> aha cookies fail
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[18:12] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[18:14] <Lunar_Lander> how are you all today?
[18:14] <SpeedEvil> I am cold.
[18:14] <SpeedEvil> I've been struggling outside with tarps all day.
[18:14] <Lunar_Lander> oh ok
[18:14] <SpeedEvil> Trying to make a water, and largely vapour tight outside storage 'room' for my furniture.
[18:15] <Lunar_Lander> ah, that sounds good
[18:16] <SpeedEvil> Yeah - stupid insulation work- I've been doingitslowly - butit ends upIkeep trippingoverstuff, so Imove stuffback into the room I'vejust cleared.
[18:16] <SpeedEvil> This doesn't work.
[18:16] <SpeedEvil> Hence I'm going to clear half the house and attic.
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[18:19] <NigeyS> hey lunar
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[18:24] <Lunar_Lander> hi NigeyS
[18:25] <Lunar_Lander> I today won an auction for a Stabo XR100 on ebay :)
[18:25] <NigeyS> congrats :D
[18:27] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[18:27] <SpeedEvil> Congrats!
[18:28] <Lunar_Lander> thanks :)
[18:28] <Lunar_Lander> this is identical to the Yupiteru MVT-7100
[18:30] <Lunar_Lander> and it says AM/FM/WFM/USB/LSB
[18:30] <NigeyS> lunar where abouts in germany are you ?
[18:30] <Lunar_Lander> so it should work, right?
[18:30] <Lunar_Lander> Osnabruck
[18:30] <Lunar_Lander> that is Lower Saxony
[18:31] <fsphil> oh, wonders of the universe is on tonight on bbc 2
[18:32] <NigeyS> yups, brian cox is cool!
[18:32] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[18:32] Action: SpeedEvil computes angles.
[18:32] <Lunar_Lander> german TV totally wrecked that film
[18:32] <SpeedEvil> Hmm.
[18:32] <Lunar_Lander> because they spliced in interviews with "experts"
[18:33] <Lunar_Lander> in the original it is only Brian talking, right?
[18:33] <SpeedEvil> Onmoderately highpasses of the ISS, I should actuallybeable to see it while not getting out of bed.
[18:33] <NigeyS> haha sweet!
[18:33] <NigeyS> Lunar_Lander, nowhere near dortmund ?
[18:34] <Lunar_Lander> one moment
[18:36] <Lunar_Lander> DO is like 120 km from me
[18:37] <NigeyS> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=4627d152a28d1a94197528d9a11c667481dea393
[18:37] <NigeyS> anywhere near there ?
[18:39] <Lunar_Lander> still like 90 km away
[18:39] <NigeyS> hmm
[18:39] <fsphil> range, 1033.5km ;-) http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=7209b84e453cd99b4c962d1d502af58a877e4ccf
[18:39] <NigeyS> thats a nice track dude!
[18:39] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[18:40] <fsphil> it'll never make it
[18:40] <Lunar_Lander> is that 1 m/s ascent rate right?
[18:40] <fsphil> yea
[18:40] <NigeyS> yuhuh
[18:40] <NigeyS> 10.5hr flight haha coffee alll round phil :P
[18:40] <Lunar_Lander> lol
[18:41] <fsphil> launch at 11, landing about 10pm .. not bad
[18:41] <fsphil> but no way I'm chasing it ;-)
[18:41] <NigeyS> why? you only need a chopper, no boat required this time :P
[18:41] <Lunar_Lander> LOL how it will burst only above the ruhr area
[18:41] <fsphil> I need to talk nicely to the Denmark hams
[18:41] <NigeyS> yeah i need to find some dutch and german hams
[18:42] <fsphil> knowing my luck it'll burst early and land in Manchester
[18:42] <NigeyS> who's the guy that has 2 recievers in folkstone phil ?
[18:42] <NigeyS> lmao
[18:43] <fsphil> not sure
[18:43] <NigeyS> hmm think it was folkstone anyway, was down that area
[18:43] <fsphil> jcoxon lives on the south coast?
[18:43] <Lunar_Lander> NigeyS checked your mail?
[18:43] Action: NigeyS checks mail
[18:44] <fsphil> spam!
[18:44] <NigeyS> :o porn spam
[18:44] <NigeyS> *slaps Lunar_Lander* :D
[18:44] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[18:45] <NigeyS> hehe got it dude, will put them in the post tuesday for you :)
[18:45] <Lunar_Lander> yay thanks :)
[18:45] <NigeyS> no probs
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[18:59] <Laurenceb> hi
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[19:00] <NigeyS> wb laurenceb
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[19:03] <fsphil> reading the liscence exempt pdf from Ofcom, and I see there's a 40.66 - 40.70 MHz range for general use at 10mw. would there be any advantage to that over 434mhz?
[19:03] <fsphil> license too
[19:06] <Lunar_Lander> the person at the german version of ofcom told me of a band around 405 MHz
[19:06] <Lunar_Lander> for radiosondes
[19:06] <Lunar_Lander> but he said that there must be special arrangements and permits
[19:07] <fsphil> yea
[19:12] <Laurenceb> just been cleaning inside my laptop
[19:12] <Laurenceb> its like dust archaeology in there
[19:13] <NigeyS> lol should see the gfx card fan on mine
[19:13] <Laurenceb> theres different coloured layers of dust ontop of each other
[19:14] <Laurenceb> runs 25C cooler now
[19:14] <Laurenceb> 32C as opposed to 57
[19:15] <fsphil> anyone here used a 3d monitor? either with the lcd shutter glasses, or the glasses-free kind?
[19:15] <Laurenceb> whats the point
[19:15] <SpeedEvil> I had a 3D monitor
[19:15] <SpeedEvil> Now I've just got flatscreens.
[19:16] <fsphil> overrated?
[19:16] <Hiena> I had shutter glasses for my old Voodoo 3 card.
[19:16] <Lunar_Lander> http://resource.mmgn.com/files/PC/dusty%20computer.jpg
[19:17] <fsphil> just think it would be kinda fun playing Duke 4 in 3d when (yay!) it comes out
[19:18] <Hiena> Well, the biggest limiting factor is the size of the monitor.
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[19:19] <Hiena> Untill, you have no real big screen, it will has a "3D thingies in the box" feeling.
[19:20] <fsphil> aaah
[19:20] <fsphil> no room here for a big monitor, and they're probably too expensive
[19:20] <fsphil> I'll stick with 2d :)
[19:20] <Hiena> So, i would rather recommend a good pair of VR glasses.
[19:21] <fsphil> the last pair I tried where a bit naff -- but then that was about 15 years ago
[19:22] <Hiena> Also the new ones has a built in accelerometers which gives the real fun.
[19:23] <Hiena> When you turn your head, you actually looks left or right.
[19:23] <fsphil> this one did too, but too slow to match the movement
[19:24] <fsphil> looked like watching a giant low-resolution screen hovering in front of you
[19:25] <Hiena> We tried several ones for the university's VR cockpit project. Most is quite enough for the simulation purpose.
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[19:30] <W0OTM> Howdy
[19:30] <W0OTM> I am going to launch a trashbag balloon
[19:30] <W0OTM> today
[19:30] <W0OTM> I have some extra He and going to fill a bunch of 55Gallon trashbags
[19:31] <W0OTM> tie my cell phone tracker to it and let it go
[19:31] <fsphil> lol
[19:31] <W0OTM> will be a disposable launch
[19:31] <W0OTM> will track it till the cell phone loosing reception
[19:31] <NigeyS> haha awsome
[19:31] <W0OTM> and it should come back on on the way back down
[19:32] <W0OTM> should be a funny little activity for a Sunday
[19:33] <khotchkiss> ouh wherefrom?
[19:34] <W0OTM> Iowa
[19:34] <W0OTM> Ottumwa
[19:34] <W0OTM> will do it from my house
[19:34] <khotchkiss> Nice =)
[19:35] <khotchkiss> do ya get decent lift from trashbags?
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[19:42] <W0OTM> LOL, dunny
[19:42] <W0OTM> dunno
[19:43] <khotchkiss> sounds grand!
[19:43] <fsphil> definitely the oddest launch in a long time
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[19:44] <khotchkiss> easier to get then balloons. called party city for some 24in ones and they thought I was nuts
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[20:02] <W0OTM> fsphil: you there
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[20:02] <W0OTM> fsphil: I have some questions
[20:02] <fsphil> aye aye
[20:02] <W0OTM> fsphil: can I PM you
[20:02] <fsphil> dure
[20:03] <fsphil> sure too
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[20:25] <gb73d> fsphill what happened to the iowa balloon last night did u copy it ?
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[20:26] <fsphil> not a peep gb73d
[20:26] <fsphil> but I'm hearing all sorts from the US today
[20:26] <gb73d> ok i didnt miss n e thing good
[20:26] <gb73d> yesh theres a big contest
[20:27] <gb73d> looking towrds the 7mhz baloon when it launches
[20:27] <fsphil> same here
[20:27] <Zuph> So are we :)
[20:28] <gb73d> yeah could be a real adventure
[20:28] <fsphil> lol
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[20:28] <gb73d> 1st balloon to cross the atlantic
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[20:28] <Zuph> Afternoon, jcoxon
[20:28] <gb73d> is still to be claimed
[20:28] <fsphil> bet it lands in yorkshire *g*
[20:28] <Zuph> We'll be doing another mission control sim today
[20:28] <jcoxon> Zuph, afternoon, something seems to be working
[20:28] <Zuph> Yep! Everything's working great!
[20:28] <fsphil> g'day jcoxon
[20:29] <jcoxon> excellent
[20:29] <Zuph> We're going to take our payload for a drive.
[20:29] <Zuph> Set it up in a park, let it spread out it's antennas and soak up some satellite.
[20:29] <jcoxon> cool - rarely do my scripts actually work
[20:29] <Zuph> hah
[20:29] <Zuph> Glad it works this time.
[20:29] <Zuph> Fortunately, we have one guy on our team that can read perl.
[20:30] <Zuph> But only one! :-p
[20:30] <jcoxon> oh i could have written it in python instead :-)
[20:30] <groupO> hey guys, i know Falcom FSA 03 has a bad rep for dying on you due to static, but is that an issue when you have it powered? by that I mean the foam i have for insulating my payload aint anti-static
[20:30] <jcoxon> you haven't had to edit it have you?
[20:30] <jcoxon> groupO, my experience is that it dies as the antenna wobbles to much and disconnects
[20:31] <fsphil> yea, not so much a static problem
[20:31] <Zuph> jcoxon: not a line.
[20:31] <Zuph> Not that I probably could, anyway :-p
[20:31] <jcoxon> phew
[20:31] <jcoxon> well i've github'd it now
[20:31] <jcoxon> so collaborative editing
[20:31] <Zuph> I saw that, many thanks.
[20:31] <groupO> jcoxon: anyway to provent that? tape? :P
[20:32] <jcoxon> i think hot glue while it works
[20:32] <Zuph> I think I'm the only one on the team that uses github, though :-
[20:32] <Zuph> :-P
[20:33] <fsphil> github rules
[20:33] <Laurenceb> is funsticks dongle going on sale?
[20:33] <jcoxon> it was last on sale 4/3/11
[20:33] <jcoxon> though sold out pretty quickly
[20:35] <Laurenceb> ah
[20:35] <Zuph> Does spacenear have any net distance traveled indicator that I'm missing?
[20:35] <Laurenceb> i dont really wont one - not convinced how well it works - at least without an lna on the front
[20:36] <jcoxon> Zuph, no - remember we don't like distance in the UK :-p
[20:36] <Zuph> hah
[20:36] <Zuph> Well, I might have to hack one in, then :-p
[20:36] <NigeyS> being on a LITTLE island n all that Zuph :p
[20:36] <Zuph> I suppose a net distance *not* traveled indicator would be a little on the philosophical side :-P
[20:38] <fsphil> lol
[20:38] <fsphil> You didn't land in the following countries ....
[20:39] <NigeyS> lol
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[20:52] <W0OTM> http://www.ihabproject.com/iHAB-3/
[20:53] <W0OTM> updated analysis and photos
[20:55] <gb73d> thanks
[20:55] <gb73d> i tried the 20m beacon from S England
[20:55] <gb73d> no joy
[20:55] <gb73d> seems like propo fades out at sunset
[20:55] <gb73d> here
[20:58] <W0OTM> thanks for trying though
[20:59] <fsphil> i'm still hearing some us stations on 15m
[21:00] <Lunar_Lander> W0OTM the little google maps window showed a landing in a big field
[21:00] <Lunar_Lander> looked good from here
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[21:00] <fsphil> hehe, the guy I'm hearing has a webcam - can see him doing the contest
[21:01] <khotchkiss> anybody ever heard of of a launch from VA?
[21:01] <mattltm> Nice
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[21:06] <Lunar_Lander> Virginia?
[21:06] <Lunar_Lander> not that I know of
[21:06] <khotchkiss> haha that's where I am =O
[21:06] <Lunar_Lander> I once heard of a guy who wanted to make a 5ft metal model rocket
[21:06] <Lunar_Lander> and launch it at Quentico
[21:07] <khotchkiss> ouhh
[21:08] <khotchkiss> interesting challenges considering the base nearby
[21:08] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:08] <Lunar_Lander> at least he was smart enough to post it to orbiter-forum
[21:08] <Lunar_Lander> and we have some ex-marines
[21:08] <Lunar_Lander> :) who told him what's gonna happen
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[21:22] <LazyLeopard> W0OTM: iHAB-3 payload recovered safely?
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[21:28] <LazyLeopard> (Ah, yes, I can see the new photos now... *sigh* shift-reload is necessary sometimes...)
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[21:31] <W0OTM> OK HERE WE GO http://www.instamapper.com/ext?key=13662000794391923371
[21:31] <W0OTM> TrashBag Balloon
[21:32] <W0OTM> Launching in a few min
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[21:33] <NigeyS> sweet!
[21:34] <Lunar_Lander> yay
[21:35] <Zuph> ping jcoxon
[21:35] <W0OTM> ok, its up
[21:36] <W0OTM> LOL
[21:36] <W0OTM> this is funny
[21:36] <W0OTM> im uploading the YouTube Video now of the launch
[21:37] <NigeyS> 2000ft already hehe nicey
[21:37] <Lunar_Lander> oh yeah
[21:37] <Lunar_Lander> USA :)
[21:37] <Lunar_Lander> launch without authorization
[21:37] <khotchkiss> ouhhh exctied!
[21:37] <Lunar_Lander> they
[21:37] <Lunar_Lander> they`d never allow that in Europe I think
[21:38] <khotchkiss> flying trash bags?
[21:38] <Lunar_Lander> launching balloons without calling
[21:38] <khotchkiss> darn treehuggers
[21:38] <khotchkiss> Haha
[21:38] <NigeyS> lol
[21:38] <Lunar_Lander> that`s why I once had the idea to move all my balloon ops from Germany to Morocco
[21:38] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:41] <W0OTM> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP-kY0cNL0s&
[21:41] <W0OTM> there is the launch video
[21:41] <jcoxon> Zuph, yup
[21:41] <Zuph> jcoxon: nevermind, problem on our end!
[21:41] <khotchkiss> im so happy I found this channel lol
[21:42] <W0OTM> Time 2011-03-06 15:42:31 : Altitude 3756 ft : Speed 14 mph : Heading 337 °
[21:42] <Dooberry> W0Ot - what height are you expecting the altitude readings to cut out at?
[21:44] <W0OTM> have NO idea
[21:46] <NigeyS> 5000ft :o
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[21:51] <LazyLeopard> ...and right turn!
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[21:51] <khotchkiss> wow instamapper is quite helpful with this
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[21:51] <Lunar_Lander2> damn pink timeout
[21:51] <Lunar_Lander2> sorry
[21:51] <Lunar_Lander2> ping
[21:52] <StrayVoltage> A kinky timeout, eh?
[21:52] <Lunar_Lander2> lol
[21:52] <StrayVoltage> :P
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[21:52] <Lunar_Lander2> http://www.sparkfun.com/products/8477
[21:52] <Lunar_Lander2> check the warehouse status
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[21:54] <NigeyS> 8000ft
[21:54] <khotchkiss> impressive
[21:54] <khotchkiss> when do trash bags break?
[21:54] <khotchkiss> (hefty, hefty, hefty?)
[21:55] <NigeyS> not sure actually .. jcoxon any idea how long bin bags last ?
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[21:55] <jcoxon> well it should be ZP
[21:55] <jcoxon> so it shouldn't burst
[21:55] <khotchkiss> Interesting.
[21:55] <SAIDias> what did I miss?
[21:55] <NigeyS> haha be funny if it got to zp
[21:55] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:55] <khotchkiss> Good trash bags.
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[21:56] Nick change: amboar_ -> amboar
[21:56] <StrayVoltage> They'll leak instead, I'spose?
[21:56] <NigeyS> 8500ft 30mph
[21:56] <W0OTM> Time 2011-03-06 15:55:58 : Altitude 8695 ft : Speed 30 mph : Heading 101 °
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[21:56] <W0OTM> did you watch the launch video?
[21:56] <NigeyS> W0OTM, listening to some of the mp3 from yesterday, seems really cool!
[21:56] <W0OTM> yeah, alot of fun
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[21:58] <NigeyS> cool video to, how many bags was it 5 or 6 ?
[21:58] <W0OTM> Time 2011-03-06 15:58:35 : Altitude 9594 ft : Speed 31 mph : Heading 89 °
[21:58] <W0OTM> 5 bags
[21:59] <W0OTM> 9K ft cell signal
[21:59] <W0OTM> im surprised
[21:59] <NigeyS> might even be higher than 10k ft
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[22:01] <StrayVoltage> "Altitude: 10122 ft"
[22:01] <StrayVoltage> Nice.
[22:01] <StrayVoltage> =)
[22:03] <W0OTM> Time 2011-03-06 16:02:58 : Altitude 10922 ft : Speed 31 mph : Heading 97 °
[22:03] <W0OTM> thats funny
[22:04] <NigeyS> crazyness!
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[22:04] <W0OTM> Time 2011-03-06 16:04:49 : Altitude 11421 ft : Speed 31 mph : Heading 102 °
[22:05] <NigeyS> be cool if it floats
[22:07] <NigeyS> looks like you've hit the ceiling W0OTM
[22:07] <W0OTM> it lost cell phone signal
[22:07] <W0OTM> will have to wait till it descends
[22:07] <W0OTM> WHENEVER that might be
[22:07] <NigeyS> not bad mind, cell signal upto 11,500ft
[22:08] <W0OTM> Time 2011-03-06 16:05:20 : Altitude 11578 ft : Speed 29 mph : Heading 100 °
[22:09] <gb73d> try getting a balloon into the jetstream and go for the transatalantic
[22:10] <gb73d> no one has done it successfully yet
[22:10] <NigeyS> a balloon or a binbag? lol
[22:10] <gb73d> i wonder what would be the best place to launch
[22:11] <Dooberry> haha, just watched the video
[22:11] <NigeyS> Whitestar are launching from indiana
[22:11] <Dooberry> it's a load of frikkin' binbags!
[22:11] <gb73d> yeah and the 10mhz one came from TX
[22:11] <NigeyS> lol yup
[22:11] <Dooberry> it's a shame you wont know how high it got
[22:12] <Dooberry> Could have been a world record for highest ever binbags.
[22:12] <gb73d> bin bag balloon its a new one for me
[22:12] <NigeyS> i'm gonna have to try this with green recycling bags lol!
[22:12] <Dooberry> granted, not the best world record ever, but a world record nevertheless.
[22:13] <gb73d> i can see the sense theyre quite large in area
[22:13] <gb73d> and some of em are strong
[22:13] <NigeyS> yups
[22:14] <Dooberry> not quite as expandable as latex though :p
[22:14] <Dooberry> I just hope the cell doesn't land in downtown Ottumwa
[22:14] <Dooberry> could give someone a bit of a shock
[22:14] <NigeyS> lol
[22:15] <Dooberry> You could probably work out some crude estimates of it's highest reached altitude by working out acend rates vs when the cell signal is reestablished
[22:16] <Dooberry> *ascend
[22:16] <W0OTM> I just had some extra He in the tank before I had to return it to AirGas
[22:17] <Dooberry> W0OT - wonderfully random idea!
[22:17] <Dooberry> what type of cell phone are you using?
[22:19] <Dooberry> also, no chute?
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[22:21] <W0OTM> No chute
[22:22] <W0OTM> the bags after they pop should help slow down
[22:22] <W0OTM> Motorola i290
[22:22] <W0OTM> repaid
[22:23] <Dooberry> ahhh, I was looking at my old 3G the other day and thinking that Glympse might work pretty well for GPS retrieval
[22:23] <Dooberry> *iphone 3g
[22:23] <W0OTM> these i290 are cheap. I got a whole bag
[22:25] <Dooberry> In regards to iHAB three, are the foam containers you use pre purchased or made yourselves?
[22:27] <W0OTM> purchased
[22:28] <W0OTM> $2.50 each
[22:28] <Dooberry> recon you could throw me over a URL?
[22:28] <W0OTM> not really, my mother in law raises cats, and she orders are vaccinations from an online vet.
[22:28] <W0OTM> they ship them in those foam containers
[22:29] <Dooberry> heh, i see!
[22:29] <W0OTM> I justed called them on the phone and asked them to ship me empty boxes.....they laughed...but did
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[22:34] <NigeyS> wb jcoxon
[22:37] <Lunar_Lander> oh man
[22:37] <Lunar_Lander> playing Purble Place hurts the eyes
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[22:45] <mattltm> Wow. I'm loving the trash bag ballon :)
[22:46] <Lunar_Lander> xD yeah it works quite well
[22:46] <Dooberry> 40 minutes above 11,578 feet
[22:46] <Dooberry> rather impressive.
[22:46] <mattltm> Very impressive.
[22:46] <Dooberry> unless, of course, it landed in a field with no cell reception :p
[22:47] Action: mattltm goes to find some heavy duty wheely bin liners...
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[22:48] <jcoxon> evening all
[22:49] <SpeedEvil> Evening.
[22:49] <SpeedEvil> mattltm: light duty surely?
[22:50] <NigeyS> evening james
[22:51] <mattltm> bigger!
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[23:06] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil ?
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[23:16] <fsphil> ello
[23:18] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[23:18] <Lunar_Lander> are the sensors available at sparkfun good?
[23:19] <fsphil> I don't know, I only got a temperature sensor
[23:19] <fsphil> and I haven't used it yet
[23:19] <mattltm> lol.
[23:19] <Lunar_Lander> in particular, those
[23:19] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.sparkfun.com/products/9569
[23:19] <mattltm> Who would know fsphil?
[23:19] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.sparkfun.com/products/9694
[23:19] <Lunar_Lander> the pressure one runs from 300 to 11 hPa
[23:21] Nick change: sighmon_ -> sighmon
[23:21] <fsphil> they both work at different voltages -- that'll be a pain
[23:22] <Lunar_Lander> the arduino has a 3.3V and a 5V port
[23:23] <fsphil> worth a try then
[23:23] <Lunar_Lander> sorry
[23:23] <Lunar_Lander> 300 to 1100 hPa
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[23:26] <fsphil> the pressure above 10km is less than 300 hPa I think
[23:28] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[23:28] <Lunar_Lander> so kick the barosensor out again?
[23:31] <fsphil> doesn't like it would be that useful
[23:31] <Lunar_Lander> ok
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[23:48] <Lunar_Lander> order placed
[23:52] <W0OTM> TrashBag balloon still hasnt shown sign of coming back down yet...
[23:52] <NigeyS> nope, its going far! lol
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