highaltitude.log.20110227

[00:00] <fsphil|m> right in the middle of a small forest
[00:00] <fsphil|m> typical :)
[00:00] <fsphil|m> explains why the signal is still getting out
[00:00] <NigeyS> £20 says stuck up a tree
[00:01] <fsphil|m> easy money lol
[00:01] <fsphil|m> lets hope he has the big pole
[00:03] <kamal> loud and clear: $$WB8ELK2,242,00:03:00,3426.16,-08312.74,245,06,8.38,24,000*
[00:04] <fsphil|m> yep, tree :)
[00:04] <fsphil|m> are you running dl-fldigi kamal?
[00:04] <kamal> nope, just regular fldigi
[00:04] <fsphil|m> ah
[00:04] <kamal> ... just found out about this launch today
[00:04] <fsphil|m> can you try dl-fldigi? it means the received strings get uploaded to the map
[00:05] <kamal> oh really!? yes, I'll do so
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[00:05] <fsphil|m> http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:dl-fldigi
[00:05] <fsphil|m> basically the same as fldigi, but with some HAB-specific modifications
[00:05] <kamal> yes, I'm aware
[00:10] <sconklin> oh I think I just saw a partial in RRTY then it was killed by another station
[00:12] <kamal> ok, I'm now running dl-fldigi
[00:14] <kamal> is dl-fldigi supposed to be automatically switching modes for me?
[00:14] <sconklin> no
[00:14] <fsphil|m> future versions might
[00:15] <fsphil|m> the mode button on the top right will switch between them though
[00:15] <kamal> yes
[00:16] <fsphil|m> for flights that use multiple-modes
[00:16] <fsphil|m> most don't
[00:17] <sconklin> what's the TX platform?
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[00:19] <fsphil|m> not sure what bill's using
[00:19] <sconklin> I've met Bill, and he's local. I'll ask him. Last launch I saw was only VHF, though
[00:21] <fsphil|m> batteries running out, bbl :)
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[00:43] <Lunar_Lander> NigeyS were you successful :)?
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[01:23] <NigeyS> hey juxta
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[03:45] <griffonbot> @LVL1WhiteStar: SpeedBall-1 nearly out of the woods for testing, what's yet: HF tx, Gold coated solar shield, web apps, MC procedures. #arhab #HAB [http://twitter.com/LVL1WhiteStar/status/41705504963043328]
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[10:18] <fsphil> mornin' all
[10:22] <fsphil> Discovery launch from the air: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GE_USPTmYXM
[10:24] <fsphil> "Those people on the right side of the aircraft you can see the space shuttle, those of you on the left side of the aircraft can probably see people on the right side of the aircraft looking at the space shuttle". haha -Poor people on the left side!!
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[10:32] <Dooberry> morning.
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[11:00] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[11:00] <Dooberry> morning
[11:00] <Lunar_Lander> how's life?
[11:01] <Dooberry> Not bad at all - going out for Sunday lunch so the day's looking up!
[11:01] <Lunar_Lander> yay!
[11:01] <Lunar_Lander> that sounds good
[11:02] <Lunar_Lander> I'm fine on my end also
[11:03] <Lunar_Lander> hello Upu and natrium42 and juxta Darkside
[11:04] <Lunar_Lander> and all others :)
[11:05] <fsphil> o/
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[11:11] <fsphil> "Ten years ago 42,000 people [in the UK census] declared themselves as Pagans.... was still only a fraction of those describing themselves as Jedi Knights" sweet :)
[11:11] <Lunar_Lander> yay!
[11:12] Action: SpeedEvil bows to the FSM.
[11:12] <fsphil> All hail the noodles
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[12:35] <fsphil> I've lost the link for the hourly predictor source .. anyone have it handy?
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[13:02] <mattltm> I love a good rally!
[13:03] <fsphil> ohhh gots goodies?
[13:03] <mattltm> Loadsa crap :)
[13:04] <mattltm> 500 assorted 3mm LEd fo 10p!
[13:07] <fsphil> lol
[13:08] <fsphil> giant LED clock!
[13:09] <mattltm> Yay!
[13:10] <mattltm> Also picked up an old school bakelite moving coil meter to make an external signal meter for the 857
[13:11] <mattltm> 5" x 4" so should be big enough :)
[13:14] <fsphil> random cool picture when googling bakelite meters: http://www.flickr.com/photos/5volt/489515092/in/photostream/
[13:17] <mattltm> Nice
[13:18] Action: Darkside is trying to recover corrupt gopro video
[13:18] <Darkside> we think the sd card got bumped on landing
[13:18] <Darkside> or something got bumped, because the last mp4 file didn't finish writing
[13:20] <mattltm> http://www.mattltm.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/IMAG0154.jpg
[13:20] <mattltm> The ones I picked up today. 50p each :)
[13:21] <fsphil> coolies
[13:21] <Darkside> turbidity :)
[13:21] <mattltm> The turbidity one looks great sat on top ofr the 857!
[13:22] <fsphil> mmm I was looking at 857's this-morning
[13:25] <fsphil> the 817 is looking a bit under powered these days :)
[13:26] <mattltm> Go on... you kone you want it!
[13:28] <mattltm> I have just ordered a few of these to go /P with the 857...
[13:28] <mattltm> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370485707383&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
[13:29] <mattltm> I should have picked up a new keyboard from the rally!
[13:29] <fsphil> yea, no internal battery. it's pretty handy having that
[13:30] <Lunar_Lander> hey mattltm
[13:30] <mattltm> There is also a nice low power feature on the 857. The power connector has 3 cables, red, black and brown..
[13:30] <fsphil> though to be honest, at 50 watts an internal battery will be dead within a minute :)
[13:31] <mattltm> If you ground the brown the 857 drops into low power (10W) mode :)
[13:31] <mattltm> Hey Lunar :)
[13:31] <fsphil> cool!
[13:31] <Lunar_Lander> you know what I just found out?
[13:31] <mattltm> What??
[13:31] <fsphil> it's lunch time?
[13:31] <mattltm> Yay for lunch!
[13:31] <Lunar_Lander> I read that 896 MHz allows xmit powers of up to 500 mW license exempt in europe
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[13:32] <mattltm> Does it??
[13:32] <fsphil> yep, but not 100% duty
[13:32] <Lunar_Lander> what does that mean?
[13:32] <mattltm> Oh yes, thats right.
[13:32] <Lunar_Lander> that you can't keep it on all the time?
[13:33] <fsphil> yea
[13:33] <fsphil> I can't find the percentage... but it's not that bad
[13:33] <mattltm> I did have the ofcom sheet here somewhere detailing all licence free freqs...
[13:35] <mattltm> http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/spectrum/spectrum-management/licence-exempt-radio-use/licence-exempt-devices/
[13:38] <mattltm> and
[13:38] <mattltm> http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/spectrum/spectrum-management/licence-exempt-radio-use/licence-exempt-devices/short-range-devices-information
[13:39] <fsphil> no mention of the duty
[13:39] <mattltm> nope :)
[13:39] <mattltm> Must be 100% then :p
[13:39] <fsphil> "This band may also be used for airborne telemetry," nice to have it in writing
[13:39] <fsphil> the other trick is getting a receiver that covers that band
[13:40] <fsphil> the funcube dongle will, but it's not massively sensitive
[13:40] <Lunar_Lander> "The 869.4 to 869.65 MHz sub-band may be used for radiated powers up to 500 mW, based on 25 kHz channel spacing. You may combine consecutive channels for increased bandwidth, up to the maximum sub-band frequency allocation. The total signal bandwidth, including frequency stability, must be contained within the allocated sub-band under all conditions.
[13:40] <Lunar_Lander> Based on current UK experience, manufacturers should pay particular attention to the design of the receivers. Receivers with no filtering on the front-end or poor selectivity are prone to interference which may cause blocking of the receiver, which in turn could cause the device to malfunction in the presence of interference."
[13:40] <russss> yeah, I think the main reason that isn't used is because nobody has a decent receiver for it.
[13:40] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[13:40] <mattltm> 173MHz for tracking birds!
[13:41] <Lunar_Lander> yeah we just define our balloons as birds
[13:41] <Lunar_Lander> and then we can do tha
[13:41] <Lunar_Lander> that
[13:41] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[13:41] <mattltm> lol. Stick some foam wings on :p
[13:41] <fsphil> lol
[13:42] <fsphil> get ready for the launch of Swift ... yea there's a balloon attached to it, so what? :)
[13:42] <mattltm> lol
[13:42] <russss> and your path loss is higher at 869MHz of course
[13:42] <russss> but perhaps that is compensated for by less interference.
[13:42] <fsphil> and a lot more power
[13:42] <mattltm> Maybe a bird could provide a better assent rate when attached to a balloon?
[13:42] <mattltm> Not sure a swift would do it...
[13:42] <mattltm> Maybe a swallow?
[13:43] <Darkside> african or european?
[13:43] <fsphil> ack, beat me to it lol
[13:43] <Darkside> :P
[13:44] <mattltm> An african, Maybe carying the payload?
[13:44] <mattltm> Maybe two?
[13:44] <mattltm> lol
[13:44] <Darkside> wouldn't get to that high an altitude tho
[13:45] <mattltm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2R3FvS4xr4
[13:46] <mattltm> and my fave...
[13:46] <mattltm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzcLQRXW6B0
[13:46] <fsphil> http://www.radiometrix.com/node/352
[13:50] <mattltm> Tasty
[13:50] <fsphil> haha, I've never seen that before
[13:50] <fsphil> must get the dvd
[13:51] <mattltm> The holy grail is great. So is the life of brian.
[13:52] <mattltm> Humm... I touch overkill I think but at least I wont have to use that crappy LCD bar graph - http://www.mattltm.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/IMAG0161.jpg
[13:54] <fsphil> not terribly portable though :)
[13:59] <mattltm> Lol. Home use only me thinks :)
[13:59] <Darkside> hey, where was the paper on balloon icing?
[14:00] <Darkside> i think we had that happen yesterday
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[14:07] <StrayVoltage> http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctalk/2011-February/297377.html
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[14:07] <StrayVoltage> Anyone who wants a SETI station?
[14:08] <StrayVoltage> Only twelve racks filled with microwave and signal processing equipment.
[14:11] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[14:13] <Darkside> free?
[14:13] <Darkside> :P
[14:13] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[14:13] <Lunar_Lander> so to recap
[14:14] <Lunar_Lander> 869 cannot be received by the receivers listed on the site?
[14:15] <russss> yeah
[14:15] <russss> most of the dl-fldigi stations don't have the capability to receive 869
[14:17] <Lunar_Lander> ah ok
[14:17] <Lunar_Lander> so no spacenear.us for such a flight?
[14:18] <russss> perhaps if you buy everyone a new radio ;)
[14:18] <mattltm> Crap. Just re-soldered a ntx to tidy it up and now its got the wrong shift :(
[14:20] <fsphil> solder bridge?
[14:20] <mattltm> Values are correct.
[14:22] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[14:26] <mattltm> I hate this :(
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[14:27] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
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[14:27] <fsphil> is it far off?
[14:28] <mattltm> Its about 1100 wide now!
[14:29] <mattltm> so very far :(
[14:29] <Lunar_Lander> oh
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[15:37] <russss> wow http://www.spaceweather.com/submissions/large_image_popup.php?image_name=Rob-Bullen-ISS_Discovery-26feb11_1298758133.jpg
[15:37] <russss> hand-guided!
[15:38] <fsphil> wow +1
[15:38] <russss> I discounted that pass because I assumed they'd be too close to resolve
[15:45] <mattltm> Very cool.
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[15:56] <WhiteStarMC-238> is Dan around?
[15:57] <WhiteStarMC-238> basically how many computers do we need for today?
[15:57] <WhiteStarMC-238> I don't want to tear all my personal computers out if I don't have to
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[16:08] <W0OTM> Howdy
[16:08] <W0OTM> iHAB-3 scheduled to launch next Sat. http://www.ihabproject.com/iHAB-3/
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[16:10] <MrCraig> hello?
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[16:12] <Laurenceb_> WhiteStarMC-238: whens launch?
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[16:16] <WhiteStarMC-238> today is just a test for misson control
[16:16] <WhiteStarMC-238> Zuph: ask dan how many computers he wants
[16:17] Action: MrCraig seems to be in some kinda net-split - hi to anyone who can see me :)
[16:17] <Laurenceb_> ok cool
[16:17] <Laurenceb_> why am i working on sunday :S
[16:19] <WhiteStarMC-238> 'cause it pays the bills
[16:19] <Zuph> WhiteStarMC-238: Dan isn't around right now. How many are convenient?
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[16:20] <WhiteStarMC-238> 6
[16:20] <WhiteStarMC-238> but I just finished the image about 20 mins ago, don't have enough copies made to boot everything
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[16:20] <WhiteStarMC-238> I'll just pack up what I have and we can work on that there
[16:21] <NigeyS> afternooooooooooon campers
[16:21] <Zuph> Sounds good
[16:21] <NigeyS> hey zuphy!
[16:21] <Zuph> Is anyone here not a retarded web dev like I am?
[16:21] <Zuph> Morning NigeyS
[16:21] <NigeyS> im just retarded fullstop
[16:23] <Zuph> heh
[16:23] <WhiteStarMC-238> packing up everything now, might be a little late but I'll be there
[16:24] <MrCraig> Morning NigeyS
[16:24] <NigeyS> morning MrCraig :D
[16:26] <Zuph> WhiteStarMC-238: Just me here right now, so you're not late.
[16:26] <Zuph> For some reason, track.whitestarballoon.com hard locks Internet Explorer. Not just a bad render, but actually hardlocks the browser. I am at a loss.
[16:26] <mattltm> Zuph: I'm a semi-retarded php geek if that helps?
[16:27] <Zuph> It's something in my retarded mess of javascript, I'm sure.
[16:27] <NigeyS> Zuph, i see what you mean :/
[16:27] <mattltm> WoW! Thats a total shutdown!
[16:28] <NigeyS> wonder if its ok in firefox
[16:28] <mattltm> Fine in FF
[16:28] <NigeyS> yup
[16:29] <Zuph> Works fine in FF, Chrome, Safari, Opera, iPhone, iPad and Android.
[16:29] <NigeyS> heh typical of IE to be a b*tch
[16:29] <mattltm> What happens if you take out the IE css hacks?
[16:30] <Zuph> Nothing, as far as I know. I just took them out, though. Feel free to try it while I try desperately to end my IE task.
[16:31] <mattltm> lol
[16:32] <Zuph> Page works if you disable scripts :-p
[16:32] <NigeyS> woah theres a mem leak in ff
[16:32] <Zuph> Except for all the gauges and widgets and maps etc.
[16:32] <NigeyS> 180MB and climbing
[16:32] <mattltm> Nice!
[16:32] <Zuph> bah
[16:32] <Zuph> Chrome garbage collects it just fine!
[16:32] <mattltm> Looks like monolith.js is the problem.
[16:33] <Laurenceb_> as in 2001?
[16:33] Action: Laurenceb_ starts attaching the page with a large bone in slow motion
[16:33] <NigeyS> lol
[16:34] <Zuph> hah, well, monolith is the only javascript I've personally written for this project, so that would make sense :-p
[16:34] <mattltm> ahh
[16:34] <Zuph> It's also the only javascript I've personally written ever.
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[16:36] <Laurenceb_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sz4aQ2YbN-E
[16:36] <NigeyS> hmm landscape's eth0 monitoring isnt very accurate
[16:48] <griffonbot> @LVL1WhiteStar: Help! Track.WhiteStarBalloon.com leaks memory in FF and freezes IE. We suck at JavaScript. If you don't suck, we need your help! #arhab [http://twitter.com/LVL1WhiteStar/status/41902617349197824]
[16:49] <NigeyS> lol very subtle Zuph
[16:49] <Zuph> hah
[16:49] <Zuph> I try
[16:51] <Laurenceb_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MThEoxSWURA
[16:53] <Laurenceb_> so epic
[16:59] <SpeedEvil> http://fatpita.net/?i=5617 - sort of on topic.
[17:00] <griffonbot> @SoundSystemSDC: RT @LVL1WhiteStar: Help! Track.WhiteStarBalloon.com leaks memory in FF and freezes IE. We suck at JavaScript. If you don't suck, we ne ... [http://twitter.com/SoundSystemSDC/status/41905483199676416]
[17:01] <Laurenceb_> so wrong
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[17:03] <NigeyS> hey jcoxon
[17:06] <mattltm> Ahaaa....
[17:06] <mattltm> Found a short!
[17:06] <mattltm> Yay!
[17:06] <jcoxon> hey
[17:07] <NigeyS> been back long james ?
[17:08] <jcoxon> just got back
[17:11] Action: MrCraig hates the linux build from source process.
[17:11] <jcoxon> ping Zuph
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[17:22] <Zuph> ping jcoxon
[17:24] <jcoxon> Zuph, i was thinking - for your flights should we create a 'fake' listener for spacenear.us
[17:24] <jcoxon> which feeds your sat data in
[17:24] <jcoxon> so that we get a complete track on there
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[17:28] <NigeyS> MrCraig, linux from scratch is great fun :)
[17:29] <Zuph> jcoxon: Sounds good. How do you want data?
[17:29] <jcoxon> i guess thats the key really
[17:29] <MrCraig> :-) to be honest I think I'd rather be using linux from scratch (the easier path, I understand it has newb and advanced) than trying to build packages for an existing installed distro
[17:30] <MrCraig> still, managed to get where I want to be with some alternative pre-compiles, so no harm done :)
[17:30] <jcoxon> i was thinking just a simple python/perl script
[17:30] <jcoxon> you guys could run it
[17:30] <Zuph> jcoxon: I'm happy to give you access to our back end SQL server, or if you'd prefer, I've already got a few php scripts which generate JSON from our telemetry streams.
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[17:31] <jcoxon> yeah php would be good
[17:31] <Zuph> jcoxon: Also, if you or anyone you know doesn't suck at javascript, track.whitestarballoon.com currently crashes in IE and leaks memory in FF.
[17:31] <jcoxon> Zuph, i'm sure people on here could help
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[17:31] <jcoxon> keep pestering the list
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[17:58] <griffonbot> Received email: Brad Luyster <bradluyster@gmail.com> "[UKHAS] White Star tracking page needs help!"
[17:59] <gb73d> yeah what happened to the 7mhz beacon carrying TA flight ?
[17:59] <gb73d> neve heard a thing after sunday b4 last
[18:00] <jcoxon> gb73d, no TA yet
[18:00] <jcoxon> postponed
[18:00] <jcoxon> soon
[18:00] <gb73d> i signed up for the email , okm
[18:00] <gb73d> didnt miss it thats good
[18:02] <gb73d> theresa talk at RADARC on balloon telem week after next, then a talk on radiosondes research at the RMetS local group on Nov, going to both
[18:02] <jcoxon> cool
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[18:43] <SpeedEvil> http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/imagegallery/image_feature_1873.html
[18:44] Action: SpeedEvil sighs at the description.
[18:44] <SpeedEvil> Quintuple is such a cooler word.
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[18:51] <W0OTM> Im looking for some 2M antenna designs for my payload
[18:51] <W0OTM> any ideas
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[19:00] <jcoxon> ping Zuph
[19:01] <Zuph> pong jasonb
[19:01] <Zuph> pong jcoxon
[19:01] <jcoxon> got it :-p
[19:01] <Zuph> stupid autocomplete
[19:01] <Zuph> heh
[19:01] <jcoxon> i've got a working script
[19:01] <Zuph> cool1
[19:01] <Zuph> !
[19:01] <Zuph> Is it up now?
[19:01] <jcoxon> nearly
[19:01] <jcoxon> just realised i need to fix the time
[19:01] <jcoxon> 5 mins
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[19:01] <Zuph> :)
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[19:04] <jcoxon> bingo
[19:05] <jcoxon> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
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[19:07] <jcoxon> Zuph, when are you guys going to start the sim?
[19:08] <Zuph> Hopefully soon. We're ironing out just the last few bugs in our command uplink software.
[19:08] <jcoxon> no worries
[19:09] <jcoxon> well shout when you are and i'll start the script
[19:09] <jcoxon> it works by reading hte epoch and only uploading when a > occurs
[19:09] <jcoxon> so if i start it now it'll get stuck
[19:10] <Zuph> Alright, will do
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[19:47] <NigeyS> ping Upu
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[19:49] <Upu> hey NigeyS
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[19:49] <Upu> just about to go afk
[19:49] <NigeyS> ahh its ok it can wait dude
[19:49] <Upu> PM me if you want I'll answer when I get back o7
[19:50] <NigeyS> okies, will do :-)
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[20:16] <Lunar_Lander> hello again
[20:23] <StrayVoltage> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_8n2Qgguto
[20:23] <fsphil> g'day one and all
[20:24] <StrayVoltage> True story.
[20:24] <MrCraig> g'day fsphil and wb Lunar_Lander
[20:24] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[20:26] <fsphil> StrayVoltage, excellent :)
[20:26] <MrCraig> damn I've been looking for unicorns for an experiment too. Similar to but not related to my attempts to turn fairy liquid back into solid fairy.
[20:27] <MrCraig> (liquid to solid joke [LAME])
[20:30] Action: StrayVoltage wonders if long-life car batteries contain lithium AAs.
[20:30] <StrayVoltage> ;)
[20:32] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[20:32] <Lunar_Lander> it will be great when earthshine delivers my arduino and I can begin to experiment with it
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[20:35] <fsphil> ooookie: http://www.flickr.com/photos/magisstra/5475347662/
[20:36] <fsphil> me likes: http://www.flickr.com/photos/magisstra/5475346678/
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[20:37] <Lunar_Lander> hey mattltm
[20:38] <Lunar_Lander> cool fsphil !
[20:39] <mattltm> Hi :)
[20:39] <fsphil> drool: http://www.flickr.com/photos/magisstra/5422268605/
[20:39] <mattltm> Whats hapening?
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[20:40] <Lunar_Lander> hi NigeyS!
[20:40] Action: fsphil is admiring the flickr account of an ISS occupant :)
[20:40] <Lunar_Lander> yeah, Paolo Nespoli :)
[20:40] <russss> yeah his flickr stream is pretty cool
[20:40] <fsphil> !!!! http://www.flickr.com/photos/magisstra/5407585566/
[20:40] <Lunar_Lander> check this one mattltm : http://www.flickr.com/photos/magisstra/5475346678/
[20:40] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[20:41] <russss> I don't like the long-exposure ones because they're so noisy.
[20:41] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:41] <Lunar_Lander> yesterday i discussed with some friends how sad it is that ISS is only scheduled to run nine more years
[20:42] <Lunar_Lander> and that you cannot put it into a museum
[20:42] <fsphil> cool, I can see my house from here :) http://www.flickr.com/photos/magisstra/5375097073/
[20:42] <Lunar_Lander> because there is no way to return it to earth without destroying it
[20:42] <russss> I think they will probably extend it past 2020.
[20:43] <russss> or perhaps a commercial company will be ready to buy it at that point.
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[20:43] <SpeedEvil> That's one of the very few reasons that a shuttle class vehicle with a payload bay can be useful.
[20:44] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
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[20:44] <Lunar_Lander> hopefully
[20:44] Nick change: SpikeUK_ -> SpikeUK
[20:44] <Lunar_Lander> I remember how a company wanted to buy MIR
[20:44] <SpeedEvil> Or rather - is required.
[20:45] <russss> yeah I have their documentary
[20:45] <russss> http://www.orphansofapollo.com/
[20:49] <fsphil> http://www.flickr.com/photos/magisstra/5290736332/
[20:49] <Lunar_Lander> cool
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[20:50] <fsphil> looks how dark the highlands are in scotland!
[20:50] <SpeedEvil> I can see my house in that!
[20:51] <Lunar_Lander> wow yay!
[20:51] <fsphil> interesting how London is bigger, yet darker than the other cities
[20:51] <mattltm> Lunar_Lander: Very nice image of the ATV :)
[20:51] <Lunar_Lander> yeah :)
[20:52] <SpeedEvil> I think I can make out Glenrothes - which is 3 miles away
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[20:53] <fsphil> I can make out the blob of light that is Cookstown
[20:53] <jcoxon> Zuph, hows it going?
[20:54] <Lunar_Lander> hi jcoxon
[20:54] <Lunar_Lander> NigeyS how's life?
[20:54] <Zuph> jcoxon: We are minutes from starting
[20:54] <jcoxon> cool
[20:54] <Zuph> Of course, if it isn't one thing it's another.
[20:54] <jcoxon> hehe i can see you guys
[20:54] <jcoxon> you going to clear the old data?
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[20:54] <Lunar_Lander> Zuph you are going for the atlantic?
[20:55] <jcoxon> Lunar_Lander, simulation launch
[20:55] <jcoxon> fake data
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander> oh OK
[20:55] <Zuph> Simulation. If you're running google chrome or safari, track.whitestarballoon.com works great. :-p
[20:56] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:56] <Lunar_Lander> cool meters :D
[20:56] <Lunar_Lander> will the sim be real time?
[20:56] <fsphil> do you have the mumble system running?
[21:03] <jcoxon> hehe james may crashed the moon buggy
[21:06] <Lunar_Lander> Zuph when does the sim start?
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[21:09] <Zuph> We do have mumble and ustream running
[21:09] <Zuph> Sim should start in just a little bit
[21:09] <Zuph> We're going over procedures now.
[21:10] <Zuph> Sim will be real time
[21:10] <Zuph> Replaying the SNOX IV flight.
[21:12] <Lunar_Lander> I can see ustream
[21:12] <Lunar_Lander> someone just sat down there xD
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[21:25] <russss> STS-133 launch video out of the front window: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrIDqhBF61w
[21:26] <russss> the audio is from NASA TV this morning, so you can just mute that
[21:27] <russss> it's worth watching until the end
[21:29] <SpeedEvil> 'here is a camera for you to film with' 'yes, it's bulky, that's to make it fireproof'.
[21:32] <SpeedEvil> :) Worked out SRB sep before they said it.
[21:33] <russss> MECO is quite pretty
[21:34] <russss> and then you can see the RCS thrusters firing as it goes into darkness
[21:36] <Lunar_Lander> I like how the RCS cover "papers" come off almost instantly
[21:37] <russss> yeah, it shows how fast it's actually accelerating
[21:38] <russss> I actually have a handheld, in-cabin video of the whole STS-115 re-entry, from 5 minutes prior to the de-orbit burn until wheel stop
[21:38] <russss> but I'm not sure I'm allowed to distribute it.
[21:39] <mattltm> Awwwww! Pleaseeeeeeeeee?
[21:40] Action: SpeedEvil sighs.
[21:40] <SpeedEvil> My launch idea is going to become redundant.
[21:41] <SpeedEvil> A teeny fake gull that flies over the shuttle, and drops a orange-painted microsat on it.
[21:41] <SpeedEvil> err - white painted.
[21:42] <mattltm> lol
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[22:03] <Zuph> Alright, we're getting started. Anyone's welcome to listen to mumble or ustream
[22:03] <jcoxon> mumble link?
[22:04] <Zuph> ec2.kg4ymg.com
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[22:05] <mattltm> ustream link please. :)
[22:05] <NigeyS> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/highball-1
[22:05] <mattltm> Ta Nigey :)
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[22:23] <fsphil> yikes, they've got Michael Fish doing the weather again
[22:24] <jcoxon> evening Dan-K2VOL
[22:24] <Dan-K2VOL> Evning
[22:24] <Dan-K2VOL> Welcome to mission control
[22:24] <jcoxon> hey
[22:24] <jcoxon> thanks :-
[22:24] <jcoxon> p
[22:24] <jcoxon> i've muted myself as i don't have a cool looking headset
[22:25] <Dan-K2VOL> Heh, with a PTT button you can still talk
[22:26] <fsphil> anyone talking? not hearing anything
[22:26] <jcoxon> Dan-K2VOL, Zuph and I have got you sat data going to spacenear.us
[22:26] <NigeyS> you should be hearing something phil
[22:26] <Zuph> jcoxon: nice :)
[22:27] <jcoxon> that said your fix = 2
[22:27] <jcoxon> NigeyS, move yourself out of NETWORK
[22:27] <NigeyS> i did and i got moved back in !
[22:27] <jcoxon> we should keep out the way
[22:27] <jcoxon> i'm in AllHearAllTalk
[22:28] <NigeyS> yeah that's where i went to lol lemme go back there
[22:28] <Lunar_Lander> does anyone have a SSB capable radio for sale :)?
[22:28] <fsphil> ah cool
[22:28] <fsphil> it does work
[22:35] <natrium42> hi jcoxon
[22:36] <jcoxon> hey natrium42
[22:36] <natrium42> any thing in the mail yet?
[22:36] <jcoxon> ummm nothing - however my housemates aren't around
[22:36] <jcoxon> so they might have something
[22:36] <natrium42> ah, k
[22:37] <natrium42> it will probably arrive this week anyway
[22:37] <jcoxon> okay cool
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[22:40] <jcoxon> hooray!
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[22:42] <fsphil> can anyone ID this morse I'm hearing on 2m? http://www.sanslogic.co.uk/files/2m-morse.wav
[22:43] <fsphil> I think it's a repeater
[22:43] <fsphil> hmmm... my mumble is missing the celt codec, drat. I'm not hearing most people
[22:45] <jcoxon> Dan-K2VOL, http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/view.php
[22:45] <jcoxon> thats raw data
[22:45] <jcoxon> will be useful for you guys
[22:46] <jcoxon> hmmm
[22:46] <jcoxon> i get fix 2
[22:46] <jcoxon> epoch 313
[22:46] <jcoxon> oky
[22:47] <jcoxon> i wrote the code to only accept valid
[22:47] <jcoxon> valid = 0
[22:47] <Zuph> Valid = null or 0 :)
[22:48] <jcoxon> yup
[22:51] <Lunar_Lander> jcoxon ?
[22:51] <Lunar_Lander> I'd like to suggest an amendment to the ukhas page
[22:52] <jcoxon> yup...
[22:55] <Lunar_Lander> "Searching a Receiver is tedious and can take a long time"
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[22:57] <Lunar_Lander> what do you think? :)
[22:57] <jcoxon> not sure i understand
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[22:57] <Lunar_Lander> oh i just spent 20 minutes to find a SSB capable receiver
[22:58] <Lunar_Lander> ebay currently doesn't have a FT-790R on sale
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[22:58] <jcoxon> its not easy i agree
[22:59] <jcoxon> Zuph, eta of next packet?
[23:00] <Lunar_Lander> you don't have a spare one for sale?
[23:00] <Zuph> jcoxon: Soon, here's hoping.
[23:00] <russss> Lunar_Lander: easy to find, good, cheap. Pick two.
[23:00] <SpeedEvil> Lunar_Lander: It's got kits though. :)
[23:00] <SpeedEvil> Lunar_Lander: Just gotta collect thewhole radio!
[23:01] <Zuph> Short Report incoming!
[23:01] <Lunar_Lander> russss the FT-790R?
[23:02] <russss> well, I've got an FT-817. That ticks the "easy to find" and "good" boxes.
[23:02] <Lunar_Lander> oh
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[23:02] <Lunar_Lander> 500 euro!!
[23:02] <jcoxon> that said its an amazing radio
[23:02] <NigeyS> morning Terry
[23:02] <fsphil> tis
[23:03] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[23:04] <SpeedEvil> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Ft817-50w-Linear-Amplifier-and-Z100-ATU-/110654673458?pt=UK_ConsumerElectronics_SpecialistRadioEquipment_SM&hash=item19c3885232 - pickup only tends to go cheaper
[23:04] <russss> I got mine off ebay and tbh I didn't pay much less than the "as-new" price.
[23:05] <russss> it did come with some natty accessories though.
[23:05] <SpeedEvil> Yeah.
[23:05] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[23:05] <SpeedEvil> You've gotta think about that - and how muchan actual warranty is worth.
[23:05] <fsphil> they certainly hold their value
[23:07] <fsphil> compiling mumble-1.2.3, yay for package managers
[23:09] <juxta> morning all
[23:09] <fsphil> you back in the country jcoxon?
[23:09] <fsphil> morning juxta!
[23:09] <jcoxon> yup
[23:10] <juxta> I ran the newest build of dl-fldigi the other day in the car - no probs at all :)
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[23:11] <fsphil> sweet
[23:11] <fsphil> auto frequency thingy too?
[23:11] <juxta> sadly no
[23:12] <juxta> the only way i've had reliable CAT working is via XMLRPC tuning through flrig
[23:12] <juxta> and the auto-tuning doesnt seem to work with that
[23:12] <jcoxon> Zuph, eek
[23:13] <jcoxon> latitude = 0
[23:13] <fsphil> it's odd, they both use the same method
[23:14] <juxta> hmm, weird
[23:14] <juxta> i figured it was a different method call perhaps
[23:14] <juxta> the 'qsy' button works great
[23:16] <fsphil> I'll check again soon, I might have missed something simple
[23:17] <juxta> no probs, we get on well for now :)
[23:17] <jcoxon> Zuph, bingo
[23:17] <Lunar_Lander> jcoxon do you think it's an idea to asks hams living nearby?
[23:17] <jcoxon> oops
[23:17] <jcoxon> not so bingo
[23:18] <NigeyS> crikey it got to algeria quick :|
[23:18] <jcoxon> need to fix that
[23:18] <jcoxon> :-p
[23:18] <fsphil> eek
[23:19] <fsphil> those darn wormholes again
[23:19] <NigeyS> lol
[23:19] <Lunar_Lander> is the sim running?
[23:19] <NigeyS> and dans in the middle of the atlantic on a rubber dingy !
[23:19] <jcoxon> the longitude i'm getting from MC is wrong it seems
[23:21] <fsphil> mumble fails -- can't compile from source, windows version on wine seg faults
[23:21] <jcoxon> fixed
[23:21] <jcoxon> will need a spacenear.us refresh
[23:21] <NigeyS> fsphil, what's it failing on ?
[23:21] <fsphil> running :)
[23:22] <fsphil> the packaged version on fedora doesn't support the audio codec everyone is using
[23:22] <NigeyS> ah dam :/
[23:22] <fsphil> which is odd, as the codec is packaged too
[23:23] <NigeyS> strange
[23:24] <fsphil> unless...
[23:24] <juxta> hey jcoxon, we had a rather premature burst the other day - have you had many in the past?
[23:28] <jcoxon> haha
[23:28] <jcoxon> sorry that could be taken the wrong way
[23:28] <russss> I thought that, then decided against lowering the tone.
[23:28] <jcoxon> juxta, new balloons?
[23:29] <juxta> haha
[23:29] <juxta> yes, new balloons ;p
[23:29] <russss> send them back under warranty.
[23:29] <russss> :P
[23:29] <NigeyS> ice maybe ?
[23:30] <juxta> possibly I guess
[23:31] <Lunar_Lander> here in germany they once had it that the balloon ripped instead of bursting
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[23:38] <Lunar_Lander> (00:35:33)<Zatman>SSB is a form of AM, so AM should work
[23:38] <Lunar_Lander> that's wrong, right?
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[23:38] <Lunar_Lander> wb Dan-K2VOL
[23:39] <russss> Lunar_Lander: yes.
[23:39] <fsphil> SSB is like AM, but with the carrier and one of the side bands removed
[23:39] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[23:39] <Lunar_Lander> (00:39:28)<Zatman>but check first with someone who's an expert (try a Ham Radio operator familiar with SSB operations) because I may have the transmit and receive ends mixed up.
[23:40] <russss> you can receive an AM transmission in SSB mode, I suppose
[23:40] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[23:40] <russss> but not the other way round.
[23:40] <Lunar_Lander> so we need a SSB receiver for ballooning
[23:40] <Randomskk> yes
[23:40] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[23:40] <Lunar_Lander> and how is it connected to the PC?
[23:40] <Randomskk> you could transmit in FM, which someone is working on playing with, but it's harder to do from a microcontroller and NTX2
[23:41] <Randomskk> sound cable
[23:41] <Lunar_Lander> just like the headphone port to the Line-In?
[23:41] <Randomskk> like, 3.5mm audio jack, male-male.
[23:41] <Randomskk> yea, exactly.
[23:41] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[23:41] <fsphil> the range would be reduced over FM too
[23:41] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[23:41] <Randomskk> why?
[23:42] <Randomskk> I mean, I've neither sat down and done some analysis nor actually tried it
[23:42] <Randomskk> but afaik the reason we all use ssb is because we can do it with DC levels into the NTX2
[23:42] <jcoxon> the range is shorter as well
[23:42] <fsphil> a weak FM signal is basically a mess
[23:42] <fsphil> not sure about the maths or anything
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[23:46] <jcoxon> looks like i've cracked getting the sat data onto spacenear.us
[23:46] <fsphil> looking good so far
[23:47] <Randomskk> I think it's perhaps not as simple as one getting more range than the other
[23:47] <Randomskk> as is typically the case, I guess
[23:47] <Randomskk> hopefully cusf'l have an fm payload flying soonish, can test
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[23:48] <fsphil> the repeater I was trying to ID earlier today could only be heard on sideband
[23:48] <fsphil> even though it was TX'ing FM
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[23:49] <Randomskk> I guess a lot depends on what is causing the signal degradation
[23:49] <fsphil> true
[23:49] <Randomskk> FM is more resistant to multipath than AM
[23:50] <Randomskk> it seems that gaussian white noise should affect both equally but I'm not sure
[23:50] <Randomskk> I don't know what the main signal degradation mechanism is so I guess it's hard to say
[23:50] <russss> I guess multipath isn't really a problem for HAB though
[23:50] <Randomskk> indeed
[23:50] <Randomskk> almost a total non-issue given as we have LoS
[23:50] <jcoxon> okay i've off
[23:51] <fsphil> fading is the big problem, as the payload spins about
[23:51] <jcoxon> hopefully my script will hold up
[23:51] <fsphil> g'night jcoxon
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[23:52] <Randomskk> fading's caused by a lot of things though
[23:52] <fsphil> I suppose the other issue with FM is your spreading your signal about much more
[23:52] <natrium42> holy, that's a lot of significant figures for lat/lon
[23:52] <Randomskk> fsphil: you don't have to though?
[23:52] <Randomskk> you can control the FM deviation just as much
[23:52] <fsphil> true, but it seems to get a lot noisier with narrower deviation
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[23:53] <Randomskk> consequence of shannon's law I guess there
[23:53] <Randomskk> less bandwidth -> less communication capability
[23:53] <fsphil> definitely worth a try though
[23:54] <Randomskk> I might try asking someone here if they have any ideas
[23:54] <fsphil> I'm just on the edge of ssb range here, be interesting to see if FM is possible
[23:54] <Randomskk> I am getting lectures on this stuff, very slowly
[23:54] <Randomskk> very very slowly. I think it'l be a year or two before we do anything useful >_>
[23:54] <fsphil> It does have the huge advantage of plentiful receivers :)
[23:55] <fsphil> so what you loose in range you make up for in potential listeners
[23:55] <Randomskk> indeed
[23:56] <Randomskk> that said we basically don't have any issues any more for most of most flights
[23:56] <Randomskk> I guess it'd be a bit interesting to try something really novel - n wifi and 3G phones etc all do huge amounts of very very clever things to get that kind of data rate
[23:57] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
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[23:57] <Randomskk> we don't have much transmit power but we can have very sensitive and large receivers with unidirectional antennas
[23:57] <Randomskk> we don't fundementally have all that much bandwidth either, I guess
[23:57] <fsphil> it shouldn't be difficult to make or get a nice big dish for 2.4ghz stuffs
[23:57] <Randomskk> that said, I wonder if we couldn't transmit in many channels at once in 434
[23:58] <Randomskk> each of our rtty streams can do 300 baud and needs like 1khz total including separation
[23:58] <fsphil> oooh, wideband receiver
[23:58] <Randomskk> but we have like, a megahertz of space
[23:58] <Randomskk> theoretically you could do a thousand of those 300 baud streams, get 300,000 baud
[23:58] <fsphil> you could do a heck of a lot even in the 25khz range of a standard NTX2
[23:58] <Randomskk> I mean, there are way more efficient ways of using that bandwidth
[23:58] <Randomskk> OFDM mainly
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