highaltitude.log.20110218

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[00:57] <NigeyS> wb Zuph
[00:57] <Zuph> thanks
[00:58] <NigeyS> whats the time there ?
[00:58] <Zuph> 8pm
[00:59] <NigeyS> ah yes, you're -5
[01:27] <Dan-K2VOL1> anyone from UK available?
[01:30] <NigeyS> im awake if that counts ?
[01:30] <Dan-K2VOL1> nigeyS would you mind testing out our mission control audio software with us right now?
[01:30] <Dan-K2VOL1> for an across-the-pond test
[01:30] <Dan-K2VOL1> working bugs out now
[01:31] <NigeyS> sure, what software am i grabbing ?
[01:33] <SpeedEvil> I would go outside and look for the aurora.
[01:33] <SpeedEvil> But the noise of rain makes it rather unlikely I'd see anything.
[01:33] <NigeyS> yeah that might slightly hamper things :(
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[01:49] Nick change: TraumaKitteh -> TraumaPony
[02:01] <Darkside> ping juxta
[02:04] <juxta> hey Darkside
[02:04] <Darkside> were you going to head into the city today?
[02:05] <juxta> yep I think so
[02:05] <Darkside> coolio
[02:05] <juxta> I need to go pickup a fountain
[02:05] <juxta> is it raining where you are Darkside?
[02:05] <Darkside> cant see outside well enough
[02:05] <Darkside> heh
[02:08] <NigeyS> how does a kitty turn into a pony? :|
[02:09] <TraumaPony> Evolution
[02:09] Action: TraumaPony is a pokemon
[02:09] <NigeyS> :p
[02:09] <NigeyS> ping Zuph
[02:09] <Zuph> pong NigeyS
[02:09] <NigeyS> geomagnetic index just shot to 5 :|
[02:10] <NigeyS> k5
[02:10] <Zuph> huh
[02:10] <NigeyS> russs said anything over 4 should warrant concern .. *shrugs*
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[03:23] <Dan-K2VOL1> woot we are goin great here at white star
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[03:40] <Dan-K2VOL1> nite
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[04:52] <griffonbot> @LVL1WhiteStar: No launch before mid next week, competition delayed their flight, more time for us to test our handiwork! #arhab http://gdzl.la/9j2fEr [http://twitter.com/LVL1WhiteStar/status/38460694739423232]
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[05:33] <natrium42> :D
[05:33] <natrium42> more time is good
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[05:42] <natrium42> happy b-day, eroomde!
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[07:31] <fsphil> wow, aurora activity is well up from last night
[07:32] <Darkside> yewl
[07:32] <Darkside> kewl
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[08:36] <Upu> thats because the sun is exploding fsphil :)
[08:37] <Darkside> BOOM
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[09:02] <shenki> juxta, Darkside: did you see mike's email?
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[09:30] <russss> speaking of solar flares, this video is cool. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=himC51J23vQ
[09:37] <fsphil> earth shattering kaboom
[09:55] <GW8RAK> Is it a symptom of a nanny state, that the message about "no danger to earth" has to appear?
[09:57] <GW8RAK> And even if there is danger, is there anything we could do about it?
[09:59] <russss> there are certain measures which can be taken in response to higher-level flares like decoupling parts of the electricity grid
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[10:04] <GW8RAK> We can prevent infrastructure damage, but personnel effects?
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[10:06] <GW8RAK> Although most people would probably be more worried if the power went off and they couldn't watch Jeremy Kyle
[10:24] <fsphil> ah, so a national power cut might actually help in some ways
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[10:34] <SpeedEvil> <classist>If they aren't watching TV, they might breed!</classist>
[10:38] <GW8RAK> For God's sake, don't let the power go off.
[10:38] <fsphil> lol
[10:45] <jgrahamc> See that's why I don't watch TV. Allows me maximum breeding time.
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[11:05] <fsphil> a raised cosine is like a normal cosine, but +0.5?
[11:23] <fsphil> oh, divided by 2 too
[11:30] Action: SpeedEvil achieves victory over tesco.
[11:30] <SpeedEvil> The 160g crisps they claimed they were going to supply turned out to be 150g, and I got a pro-rated refund.
[11:31] <SpeedEvil> yes, I'm that bored.
[11:32] <GW8RAK> My scanner has arrived. And it works. Not much work from me today.
[11:32] <SpeedEvil> :)
[11:32] <GW8RAK> Very :)
[11:39] <fsphil> :D
[11:39] <fsphil> I got the bits for my VFO -- for the intermediate practicals
[11:39] <GW8RAK> All ready now for some mobile tracking.
[11:40] <GW8RAK> VFO can be fun and frustrating. Working out why 1 one works and an identical one doesn't.
[11:41] <GW8RAK> So of the homebrew designs should be considered suggestions, rather than guaranteed to work.
[11:41] <GW8RAK> Some of..
[11:42] <fsphil> I'm following the guide in the intermediate book, so hopefully it should be mostly right
[11:42] <fsphil> mostly
[11:42] <GW8RAK> I'm sure that one has been well tested.
[11:46] <fsphil> the circuit doesn't make sense to me yet
[11:46] <GW8RAK> I was just Googling for it.
[11:47] <GW8RAK> Found it.
[11:48] <fsphil> hmm, there's a PDF for an alternative circuit to the one in the book
[11:49] <fsphil> nah, the bits I have are for the old one. will ignore that
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[14:07] <m1x10> Hi all
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[14:11] <fsphil> hullo
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[14:33] <m1x10> how r u fsphil?
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[14:58] <fsphil> good, a little hungry :)
[14:59] <fsphil> you?
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[15:00] <Dan-K2VOL> mornin fsphil
[15:01] <fsphil> howdy Dan-K2VOL
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[15:01] <Dan-K2VOL> did you hear the news?
[15:01] <imrcly> we are doing a ground tethered flight?
[15:02] <fsphil> ooh don't think I did
[15:02] <Dan-K2VOL> lol
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[15:02] <Dan-K2VOL> imrcly also suggested we use bernoulli's principle to keep an air-inflated balloon hovering over the smokestack of an ocean liner all the way across :-P
[15:02] <imrcly> all we need is 4000 miles of wire
[15:03] <fsphil> lol
[15:03] <fsphil> that might work
[15:03] <Dan-K2VOL> the news is that we have 1.5 months in which to take the claim of first amateur balloon to cross the ocean
[15:04] <NigelMoby> Bloody ell k index still at 5
[15:04] <Dan-K2VOL> talked to Cornell program's adviser, John Checcerelli last night
[15:04] <fsphil> seen anything last night NigelMoby? cloudy here
[15:04] <Dan-K2VOL> they are not going to try to cross until their 3rd flight, which will be in april
[15:05] <fsphil> that's great news Dan-K2VOL
[15:05] <NigelMoby> Nope dude started to rain :/
[15:05] <imrcly> now all we need is some cold weather
[15:05] <fsphil> better hurry, spring is nearly upon us!
[15:06] <fsphil> our nest box is already claimed by a pair of birds :)
[15:07] <imrcly> Dan-K2VOL: we need to turn the cryo chamber into a snow machine
[15:10] <x-f> i'll gladly send you our weather - we have -30C at nights
[15:10] <x-f> and that's about 20 degrees below average for this time of year :/
[15:10] <Dan-K2VOL> where the heck are you x-f, northern europe?
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[15:11] <x-f> Dan, almost, i'm from Latvia, Baltics
[15:11] <Dan-K2VOL> haha imrcly we did when were trying to test that cloud sensor
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[15:12] <Dan-K2VOL> I kept spraying water into it to make ice particles but they just kept making fog and snow
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[15:12] <imrcly> i might but snow machine on the list of things to make, a snow machine that can fill the alley way
[15:12] <Dan-K2VOL> haha that would be awesome
[15:12] <Dan-K2VOL> we could easily do that, especially with our dry ice expertise
[15:13] <NigeyS> hey Dan-K2VOL
[15:13] <Dan-K2VOL> hey NigeyS thanks for helping us test the mission control audio VOIP
[15:13] <NigeyS> no problem at all, glad to help :-)
[15:14] <Dan-K2VOL> We've got a trans-atlantic pilot who will be on our ATC team, I think that will be very valuable in talking to the north atlantic ATC centers
[15:14] <Dan-K2VOL> in fact he couldn't join us last night as he was over the ocean
[15:14] <NigeyS> that'll be awsome!
[15:15] <NigeyS> btw ..
[15:15] <NigeyS> Radio Blackouts R2
[15:15] <NigeyS> HF Radio: Limited blackout of HF radio communication on sunlit side, loss of radio contact for tens of minutes.
[15:15] <imrcly> ouch
[15:16] <doughecka> Goto plan B: ELF!
[15:16] <NigeyS> lol
[15:16] <imrcly> telling you tethered is the way to go
[15:16] <NigeyS> ive had email updates every hour overnight, it went to K-6 at one point
[15:17] <NigeyS> and this is only the fallout from the small cme that was a day before the X-2 event :/
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[15:18] <fsphil> so no point in working on my HF antenna tonight then
[15:18] <NigeyS> nope def not lol
[15:18] <fsphil> ooooh 2m can be reflected by aurora
[15:18] <NigeyS> shouldve seen the charts at 2am phil ..
[15:18] <fsphil> sounds really weird and distorted
[15:18] <NigeyS> http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/today.html#satenv
[15:18] <NigeyS> not nice!
[15:18] <m1x10> What is a PLC used for?
[15:19] <fsphil> seems to be calming down now
[15:19] <NigeyS> yeah, from what ive seen it should calm down a bit before the x2 event hits us later tonight
[15:19] <fsphil> that's right! forgot there where three cme's
[15:20] <NigeyS> oh aye, the first was tiny compared to the X2 apparently
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[15:31] <doughecka> hmm
[15:31] <NigeyS> mmh
[15:32] <doughecka> next balloon mission... 2m and 70cm meteor burst communications
[15:33] <NigeyS> sounds like a plan :P
[15:35] <NigeyS> m1x10, plc ?
[15:35] <m1x10> yes
[15:35] <NigeyS> as in public limited company ?
[15:35] <m1x10> lol
[15:36] <m1x10> about electronics
[15:36] <m1x10> I red the wikipedia article but cant understand
[15:36] <NigeyS> oh haha no clue, sorry
[15:38] <fsphil> meteor burst would be a pretty unique cut-down method ;-)
[15:38] <NigeyS> here ya go phil, this 1's just for you..
[15:38] <NigeyS> http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/drap/index.html
[15:39] <fsphil> I think there's a swirling absorption region around my house
[15:40] <NigeyS> lol oh dear
[15:41] <fsphil> I did manage to hear someone on 14mhz the other day
[15:41] <NigeyS> crikey the aurora map is showing aurora as far south as mid wales
[15:41] <fsphil> first time in ages
[15:41] <fsphil> what map are you looking at? the one I've got is pretty quiet
[15:41] <fsphil> http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/pmap/pmapN.html
[15:42] <fsphil> I mean, quiet around the UK anyway
[15:42] <fsphil> it's pretty red around the artic
[15:42] <NigeyS> http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/aviation/index.html
[15:43] Action: NigeyS is off to the arctic to have lunch with penguins!
[15:43] <fsphil> P-p-pick up one for me would ya? :)
[15:43] <NigeyS> haha sure!
[15:44] <NigeyS> http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/aviation/sample.html
[15:44] <NigeyS> get scared when it looks like that :P
[15:44] <fsphil> "Proton event" ... don't cross the streams!
[15:46] <fsphil> mmm Chocolate Éclairs
[15:46] <NigeyS> theyre bad for you, you should send them to me for .. testing!
[15:47] <fsphil> too late :p
[15:47] <NigeyS> damn you :p
[15:47] <NigeyS> reminds me, have zuphs kinder eggs in the fridge
[15:47] <fsphil> very dull outside, kinda eerie
[15:48] <NigeyS> rains stopped here but it doesnt look very pleasant :(
[15:48] <fsphil> eek, just looked at the forecast, which I hadn't lol
[15:49] <imrcly> we need to install a peltier cooler in the vending machine so the chocolate doesn't melt this summer
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[15:50] <NigeyS> dont those things have a mini fridge on them ?
[15:50] <imrcly> no its just a chip vending machine
[15:50] <NigeyS> bah :(
[15:51] <NigeyS> fsphil, 5 days of rain .. lol
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[15:57] <NigeyS> btw is there a beacon light or something on the bottom of speedball-1 payload ?
[15:58] <imrcly> yes
[15:58] <NigeyS> that explains it then
[15:58] <NigeyS> had the ustream on the other night, pitch black but saw this light, thought the place was being burgled! lol
[15:59] <Laurenceb> http://www.princetonoptronics.com/technology/technology.php
[15:59] <Laurenceb> ^insanwe
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[16:02] <NigeyS> hey Laurenceb
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[17:02] <natrium42> o/
[17:03] <NigeyS> yo natrium42
[17:07] <natrium42> hi, NigeyS, how are you?
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[17:07] <NigeyS> im good ta, yourself?
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[17:12] <natrium42> likewise
[17:12] <natrium42> preparing for trip
[17:13] <natrium42> oh and giving interview to local tv station today
[17:13] <natrium42> :S
[17:13] <NigeyS> ooo your going to be famous dude!
[17:15] <Laurenceb> http://www.esa.int/images/esa_atv-2_launch_seen_by_nespoli_on_iss.jpg
[17:16] <Zuph> That's an awesome picture.
[17:17] <NigeyS> oh that is sweet
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[17:32] <smea> [18:13:17] <natrium42> oh and giving interview to local tv station today <= nice :P
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[17:47] <jiffe> any idea what that is?
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[18:03] <Dan-K2VOL> natrium42, what's the interview on
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[18:29] <natrium42> Dan-K2VOL: high altitude doll launch i did for my brother
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[18:32] <Dan-K2VOL> heh, natrium42, you flew a blow-up doll as a balloon?
[18:32] <x-f> :))
[18:35] <m1x10> fsphil: it worked without changing something
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[18:58] <gb73d> n e 1 aware of the 7mhz transatlanrtic ballon flight
[18:59] <Zuph> gb73d: White Star? I'm on that team.
[19:01] <NigeyS> hey Zuph !
[19:01] <Zuph> Hola NigeyS
[19:01] <gb73d> great job , i am signed up for the launch note
[19:01] <gb73d> hope its not sunday cos im out
[19:02] <Zuph> gb73d: I can give you complete assurance that it won't be sunday :)
[19:02] <Zuph> gb73d: We're targeting no sooner than the middle of next week.
[19:03] <gb73d> ok thanks, good im around will go for it Reading, Winradio G303e 18m longwire
[19:03] <gb73d> S UK
[19:03] <Zuph> Excellent! HF will be rather sparse during cruise to save power, but when we're headed up or down quickly, it should come to life.
[19:04] <gb73d> last time it took 3 days to get a copy on 10mhz
[19:04] <gb73d> i have fldigi ballon version
[19:04] <gb73d> ready to go Houston !
[19:05] <Zuph> wb8elk has had really good luck with dominoEX on 40m.
[19:05] <fsphil> what was the last one?
[19:05] <gb73d> nah i forget it was years back err
[19:05] <gb73d> had a 10mhz cw tx , landed in sea off eire
[19:06] <gb73d> from TX
[19:06] <gb73d> i think
[19:06] <gb73d> last year tried one on 14mhz , no joy here and it didnt get far from home
[19:06] <gb73d> good luck
[19:07] <fsphil> I think I'd need to be LOS to hear anything on 14mhz
[19:16] <fsphil> hehe, jcoxon's SPOT is in Brussels
[19:19] Action: laurence_ has laser galvo
[19:20] Nick change: laurence_ -> Laurenceb_
[19:20] <Laurenceb_> quality is pretty acceptable
[19:20] <Laurenceb_> you can tell its cheap but its very acceptable for the price
[19:21] <Laurenceb_> havent opened the glavo fully as its in a sealed enclosure
[19:21] <Laurenceb_> the power supply and control board look ok :D
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[19:34] <spacefelix> Hmm
[19:35] <Laurenceb_> http://cgi.ebay.com/laser-show-galvo-scanner-CW20K-Scanning-galvanometer-/120539226623?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c10b2a1ff
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[19:51] <NigeyS> laurenceb that the 1 you have now ?
[19:55] <Laurenceb_> yes
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[19:56] <NigeyS> sweeeet!
[19:56] <spacefelix> :DDDDDDDD
[19:56] <spacefelix> Laser shozen!
[19:56] <spacefelix> Showzen!
[19:56] <NigeyS> hmm random solutions dont have any parachutes? :(
[19:56] <spacefelix> Question, but how easy would it be to use a laser system to ignite a rocket motor?
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[19:58] <fsphil> he hasn't had any in a while
[19:58] <fsphil> rocketsandthings have a few
[19:59] <NigeyS> 18" be to small you think ?
[20:00] <fsphil> lol
[20:00] <NigeyS> wtf lol
[20:03] <fsphil> depends how fast you want it to return to earth :p
[20:03] <NigeyS> not so fast that it leaves a crater :P
[20:06] <fsphil> go for the 24", not much more
[20:07] <fsphil> price wise
[20:07] <NigeyS> http://www.rocketsandthings.com/view/product/188/
[20:07] <NigeyS> that 1 ?
[20:07] <fsphil> yea
[20:08] <fsphil> should be a gentle enough descent with that
[20:08] <NigeyS> gonna need sunglasses, its kinda bright! lol
[20:10] <fsphil> it's brighter than the picture suggests :)
[20:10] <NigeyS> £7.50 for shipping :O
[20:10] <fsphil> multi-coloured too
[20:10] <fsphil> ah, forgot about that
[20:10] <fsphil> brb, taxi service...
[20:11] <NigeyS> haha oki
[20:12] <spacefelix> fsphil: I've always wondered if I put the descent device into a rifle-bullet shaped casing, can I have it fall supersonically after the balloon pop?
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[20:16] <mattltm> Hi all :)
[20:16] <Laurenceb_> some ww2 bombs where supersonic
[20:16] <Laurenceb_> so maybe
[20:16] <Laurenceb_> tallboy etc
[20:16] <NigeyS> hey mattltm
[20:16] <mattltm> Hey :)
[20:17] <mattltm> Supersonic bombs? Looks like I arrived just in time :p
[20:17] <NigeyS> lol
[20:18] <mattltm> Did anyone watch the ATV launch?
[20:18] <Laurenceb_> yeah
[20:19] <mattltm> Pretty good huh? Apart from the crappy intro!
[20:19] <Laurenceb_> wasnt much to see
[20:20] <mattltm> A rocket blasting off to space is always worth seeing :)
[20:21] <mattltm> Anyone launching this weekend?
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[20:22] <Laurenceb_> http://www.skyrocket.de/space/img_lau/energiya_2.jpg
[20:22] <Laurenceb_> ^that would have been more worth seeing
[20:23] <Laurenceb_> no 1 in my list of most awesome things ever :P
[20:25] <mattltm> The first launch went a bit wrong so I recall?
[20:25] <mattltm> It went wonky on take off.
[20:26] <Laurenceb_> yeah imu initialisation screw up
[20:26] <Laurenceb_> quite crazy to watch
[20:26] <Laurenceb_> actually no it was the defualt engine position - they forgot to add in the mass of polyus
[20:26] <Laurenceb_> so the control loop catches it as it lifts off
[20:27] <mattltm> Ahh.
[20:27] <Laurenceb_> better than polyus where the imu was in back to front
[20:27] <mattltm> lol
[20:27] <Laurenceb_> so it deorbited instead of boosting orbit
[20:28] <Laurenceb_> probably CIA mole in factory
[20:30] <Laurenceb_> talking of space - http://www.sstl.co.uk/getattachment/About-SSTL/Location---Facilities/BREEAM-MAN9-document-Rev-A.doc
[20:30] <Laurenceb_> shiny, but how do you manage to spend 1.6G£ a building
[20:32] <mattltm> £1592 per m2
[20:32] <mattltm> let me work out how much the building I run cost...
[20:34] <mattltm> £1857 per m2
[20:34] <mattltm> Abought right.
[20:34] <mattltm> Nice facillity though.
[20:34] <fsphil> pocket change
[20:35] <mattltm> Our total build bill was 6.5M
[20:35] <mattltm> for about 3500 m2
[20:36] <mattltm> The Surrey build looks good
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[20:45] <Laurenceb_> my house worked out at about £800/m2
[20:45] <Laurenceb_> - renovation
[20:46] <mattltm> I would guess my house was 50p/m2 based on the qaulity of construction!
[20:47] <Laurenceb_> lol
[20:47] Action: Laurenceb_ did almost all the work himself
[20:47] <Laurenceb_> so thats materials + plasterer
[20:47] Action: SpeedEvil is aiming at rennovating insulation and floor at 10/m^2.
[20:47] Action: mattltm wishes he did the work himself
[20:48] <SpeedEvil> :)
[20:48] <SpeedEvil> ebay++
[20:48] <Laurenceb_> still going for fibreglass?
[20:48] <SpeedEvil> Well...
[20:48] <SpeedEvil> I'm looking at the various vendors of cheap kingspan for at least half of the house.
[20:48] <Laurenceb_> i used xtratherm
[20:49] <mattltm> Kingspan qaulity ;)
[20:49] <Laurenceb_> and british gypsum where it needed to be really thin
[20:49] <SpeedEvil> I'mnot particular as to terand - any sort of foam that'll do under .023W/m/K
[20:49] <SpeedEvil> as to brand
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[20:49] <Laurenceb_> kingspan is no better than xtratherm, just more expensive
[20:49] <SpeedEvil> I know
[20:50] <SpeedEvil> I was looking at the scratch/dent vendors on ebay, not new fromBM
[20:50] <Laurenceb_> if you buy in bulk kingspan will delivery for free and lower price, but aiui stratherm is still cheaper
[20:51] <SpeedEvil> I'm looking at ~15 quid a sheet for 70mm
[20:51] <SpeedEvil> It looks like that's the minimum proce it goes for on ebay.
[20:51] <SpeedEvil> ~50 sheets.
[20:51] <SpeedEvil> Recall what you paid?
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[20:53] <Laurenceb_> no sorry, it was a couple of years ago now
[20:53] <SpeedEvil> K. :)
[20:54] <Laurenceb_> sounds pretty good, £18 /sheet rings a bell
[20:55] <Laurenceb_> it was from local farmer who operated the business out of a barn
[20:55] <Laurenceb_> very cheap probably due to dodgey tax stuff :P
[20:56] <SpeedEvil> I keep thinking of silly stuff like a couple of sheets of plywood, with spacers, aluminium foil in, and evacuate. :)
[20:57] <Laurenceb_> the physics of that is interesting
[20:57] <SpeedEvil> Yeah
[20:57] <Laurenceb_> it doesnt start working until the mean free path approaches the seperation
[20:57] <SpeedEvil> I know.
[20:57] <Laurenceb_> just lowering the pressure to say 10mb doesnt work
[20:57] <SpeedEvil> MLI helps a lot too
[20:57] <SpeedEvil> It's gotta be really low indeed.
[20:58] <SpeedEvil> You've got to really pay attention to impurities and pumping.
[20:58] <Laurenceb_> yeah
[20:59] <Laurenceb_> iirc polypropylene honeycomb is very nice for the spacers
[20:59] <Laurenceb_> you can get 2 orders of mag better than the best foam insulation quite easily
[20:59] <SpeedEvil> I was looking at simple oak.
[20:59] <SpeedEvil> As a tiny fraction of the volume
[21:00] <SpeedEvil> spaced at pillars
[21:00] <Laurenceb_> yeah
[21:00] <SpeedEvil> I hadn't really fully investigated it, before I came to the relisation it was silly :)
[21:00] <Laurenceb_> http://www.homefly.com/products.asp?id=31
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[21:01] <SpeedEvil> That sort of thing for MLI, yes.
[21:02] <Laurenceb_> also for electrostatic speakers/2D laser microphones/solar sails
[21:03] <SpeedEvil> Hmm.
[21:03] <Laurenceb_> i was thinking for 3D free space sonar
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[21:03] <Laurenceb_> a 2D microphone using mylar film and laser + camera
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[21:04] <SpeedEvil> Sounds interesting.
[21:04] <SpeedEvil> Sort-of-holography?
[21:05] <Laurenceb_> yeah, observe the speckle pattern on the mylar
[21:05] <Laurenceb_> as you strobe the laser in phase with the ultrasound
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[21:42] <fsphil> it seems aurora cause rain ;-)
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[21:49] <x-f> we have a big halo around the Moon
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[22:15] <Laurenceb_> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=21923.0;attach=239250;image
[22:15] <Laurenceb_> interesting
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[22:55] <Dooberry> Chaps - Quick question. When's the next Cambridge launch that I can pop along to?
[22:55] <NigeyS> possibly march
[22:56] <Dooberry> nothing firm atm?
[22:56] <NigeyS> not that i know of, jonsowman might have a better idea
[22:57] <Dooberry> no worries, cheers.
[22:57] <Dooberry> Just come back from the pub with my co-conspirator
[22:57] <Dooberry> decided there's a sh1t load of stuff we're not too informed on
[22:57] <NigeyS> ahh, it norm says on the wiki to about upcoming launches
[22:57] <Dooberry> so thought heading over to another launch might a bit
[22:58] <Dooberry> *help a bit
[22:58] <fsphil> Dooberry, are you subscribed to the ukhas mailing list? there's usually launch announcements there
[22:58] <Dooberry> Hey fsphil - short answer no.
[22:59] Action: NigeyS note to self hot air guns, get hot
[22:59] <fsphil> long answer: http://groups.google.com/group/ukhas?hl=en ;)
[22:59] <Dooberry> long answer - i'll sign up now
[22:59] <Dooberry> heh
[22:59] <Dooberry> touche.
[22:59] <fsphil> haha
[22:59] <fsphil> normally the announcements are made a week before launch
[22:59] <Dooberry> right, i'll right up now then
[22:59] <Dooberry> *sign
[22:59] <Dooberry> ffs
[22:59] <Dooberry> i'm off laters
[22:59] <fsphil> Important safety tip NigeyS :D
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[23:00] <Dooberry> (thanks though)
[23:00] <NigeyS> lol tnx phil!
[23:00] <fsphil> I read somewhere that every warning sign in an office or factory has a story behind it -- starting to think that's true
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[23:07] <mattltm> Talking of warning signs, the new iso regs come into force next week..
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[23:09] <mattltm> Thanks to EU regs, this sign will not be allowed - http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQX1GIBMZtmKNjLq9-pMMJg9ue8VoNlHQksat5LXirXr9gbNEXdcQ&t=1
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[23:10] <mattltm> You will have to display this one insted - http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQX1GIBMZtmKNjLq9-pMMJg9ue8VoNlHQksat5LXirXr9gbNEXdcQ&t=1
[23:10] <mattltm> Opps - no, this one - http://www.safetysign.com/images/catlog/product/medium/J6516.png
[23:10] <fsphil> should be easy enough to do :p
[23:11] <fsphil> they're both yucky
[23:11] <mattltm> The public sector organisation that I work for has to replace over 3000 signs and that is just the no smoking ones.
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[23:11] <mattltm> Now thats what I call "best value"!
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[23:12] <fsphil> shouldn't it just be a case of replacing as and when they need to be? phasing in the new ones? or is that just too simple
[23:12] <mattltm> Has to be done by 2012.
[23:12] <mattltm> Thank you EU.
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[23:39] <Zuph> Evening Dan-K2VOL Dan-K2VOL1
[23:40] <NigeyS> omg its Zuph ! :p
[23:40] <fsphil> quick, hide!
[23:40] <fsphil> oh crap he's seen us!
[23:40] <NigeyS> run for the hills!
[23:40] <NigeyS> dammit
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[23:46] <Zuph> Any C wizards around?
[23:47] <fsphil> I do C, but def. not a wizard
[23:49] <Zuph> Well, maybe just explaining it will help.
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[23:52] <Zuph> In this directory structure, I've got main.c, lib/i2c.{c,h} and comm/outputParse.{c,h}. i2c.h is properly included in both main.c and outputParse.c. When I try to operate a function declared in i2c.c from main.c, it operates as expected. When I try to operate a function declared in i2c.c from outputParse.c, it does not call the function. Everything else compiles and links correctly, with no pertinent warnings.
[23:53] <fsphil> it just doesn't execute?
[23:53] <fsphil> skips the function I mean?
[23:54] <Zuph> Function calls to i2c.c from outputParse.c do not execute. Skips right over them.
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[23:57] <fsphil> good one
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