highaltitude.log.20110216

[00:01] <Dan-K2VOL> cool jcoxon, getting some help here locally a minute, may want to run a problem by you if I can't figure it out
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[00:49] <griffonbot> @LVL1WhiteStar: Battery assembly diagram by Tyler #arhab http://gdzl.la/9iz5Wd [http://twitter.com/LVL1WhiteStar/status/37675012521594881]
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[00:52] <Lunar_Lander> nice one Dan-K2VOL
[00:53] <Dan-K2VOL> oh thanks
[00:54] <Lunar_Lander> you're welcome
[00:54] <NigeyS> you're using 54 batteries?
[00:59] <Dan-K2VOL> yes
[00:59] <NigeyS> thats alot of batteries, send a hamster with a dynamo wheel instead? :p
[00:59] <Dan-K2VOL> ha I wish, if there were oxygen
[00:59] <Dan-K2VOL> got to run for 72 hours
[01:00] <Dan-K2VOL> and supply 2Amp pulses for the transmitter
[01:00] <Dan-K2VOL> sat transmitter
[01:00] <NigeyS> oh crikey, it might be a bit dead by then, poor hammy lol
[01:00] <NigeyS> 2Amp is kinda high
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[01:00] <NigeyS> hey speedy
[01:01] <SpeedEvil> hey
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[01:01] <NigeyS> i will be so happy when my crimpers get here, pliers... tedious.. somewhat!
[01:02] <SpeedEvil> :)
[01:08] <Lunar_Lander> you know what?
[01:08] <Lunar_Lander> it is SOOO bad that NTIS only accepts credit cards and stuff
[01:08] <SpeedEvil> get a CC
[01:09] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[01:09] <Lunar_Lander> 20 euros fee per year
[01:09] <SpeedEvil> Depends - not all cards have fees.
[01:10] <Lunar_Lander> my bank charges that for MasterCard and VISA
[01:10] <SpeedEvil> https://www.vanquis.co.uk/apply/?ref=GO_AT&aff=Brand-Broad-vanquis-visa&gclid=CKfLqoi_i6cCFcgf4QodBA25eA
[01:11] <Lunar_Lander> yeah that doesn't help me as I am in Germany
[01:11] <Lunar_Lander> but thanks anyway :)
[01:11] <SpeedEvil> Though if you've not got a bad credit history, their may be better cards.
[01:11] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[01:13] <SpeedEvil> I currently have a new card from them with a 500 limit - and an eye-watering 39% APR
[01:13] <Lunar_Lander> APR?
[01:13] <Lunar_Lander> btw interesting my bank offers a "Prepaid CC"
[01:13] <Lunar_Lander> and it says "for 14+ years"
[01:13] <Randomskk> pft
[01:13] <Randomskk> I got a student credit card
[01:13] <SpeedEvil> Annyal Percentage Rate
[01:14] <SpeedEvil> ual
[01:14] <Randomskk> no fee, 1500 limit, 19.9% APR
[01:14] <Randomskk> 56 days interest free too
[01:14] <SpeedEvil> If you borrow 100 quid - at the end of the year, you need to pay back 139
[01:14] <SpeedEvil> Yeah - well - I had some financial problems 5 years ago, and defaulted on a 5 grand and 600 quid account.
[01:15] <Randomskk> I guess that will mess up a credit rating
[01:15] <SpeedEvil> hence I'm looking at the sub-prome CC market to fix my credit score. (after the above falls off my credit file in 5 months)
[01:15] <Randomskk> things just fall off?
[01:15] <SpeedEvil> yes
[01:15] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[01:16] <SpeedEvil> After 6 years.
[01:16] <Lunar_Lander> well I think I'd best talk to the bank guy
[01:16] <SpeedEvil> The last 3 years is more important
[01:17] <SpeedEvil> http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/loans/credit-rating-credit-score
[01:17] <SpeedEvil> Also.
[01:17] <SpeedEvil> I _strongly_ recommend going over all your bills with the aid of this site.
[01:18] <SpeedEvil> GEtting a copy of your credit report is good too - only 2 quid from the links there
[01:18] <SpeedEvil> Or a free sample from experian
[01:21] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[01:21] <Lunar_Lander> btw the best thing is
[01:21] <Lunar_Lander> that you can pay by bill to NTIS if you live in the US, Canada or Mexico
[01:21] <Lunar_Lander> it only costs a little extra fee of $15
[01:23] <Lunar_Lander> what do you think about that?
[01:43] <NigeyS> If you’re in England or Wales, solar panel firm Isis is offering to kit you out with solar panels for nowt.
[01:43] <NigeyS> hmmm
[01:48] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[01:52] <NigeyS> yup!
[01:52] <NigeyS> brb
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[01:53] <SpeedEvil> Lunar_Lander: It's really not quite that good.
[01:53] <SpeedEvil> Lunar_Lander: You don't get most of the benefit of the scheme - you get a small amount off your electricity bill - and you have solar panels on the roof that you can't remove for 25 years.
[01:54] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[01:54] <SpeedEvil> Including if you sell the house, and the new owners don't get anything from the panels
[01:54] <Lunar_Lander> sorry I thought you meant solar panels for a HAB
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[02:05] <Darkside> heh, my grandad has solar panels on his roof
[02:05] <Darkside> on sunny days, his electricity meter goes backwards
[02:07] Action: SpeedEvil sighs.
[02:07] <SpeedEvil> I hate the current implementation - it
[02:07] <SpeedEvil> s broken
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[02:07] <SpeedEvil> As I can't DIY solar panels, and get any payment.
[02:08] <SpeedEvil> (other than 3p/KWh)
[02:08] <SpeedEvil> I can't even net-meter.
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[03:51] <griffonbot> @dtsportsdesk: #CUSF Lacrosse loses by six to UCLA http://bit.ly/g2MlTD [http://twitter.com/dtsportsdesk/status/37720602777362432]
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[06:15] <earthshine> morning
[06:19] <Zuph> Morning? Night.
[06:20] <earthshine> morning
[06:21] <natrium42> night here too
[06:21] <natrium42> 2 vs 1
[06:26] <earthshine> :P
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[10:12] <juxta_> ping fsphil
[10:13] <Darkside> hrm
[10:13] <juxta_> hey Darkside
[10:16] <Darkside> sup
[10:17] <fsphil> gggggg'day juxta_
[10:17] <fsphil> ooh, too many g's
[10:18] <juxta_> haha
[10:18] <juxta_> i was going to ask what rig's you'd tried fldigi's rig control with
[10:18] <juxta_> rigs* even
[10:19] <fsphil> Just the FT817 so far, it's all I own
[10:19] <juxta_> ah, righto
[10:20] <juxta_> I tested it with my 706MKIIG tonight
[10:20] <juxta_> it worked ok for the most part - freq display and tuning etc
[10:20] <juxta_> but when the auto tuning tries to kick in, it brings up an error
[10:20] Action: nevyn needs a HF rig.
[10:20] <nevyn> only have the VHF/UHF HT currently
[10:21] <fsphil> so you can tune manually (via fldigi), but the auto-tuning fails?
[10:21] <juxta_> fsphil, yep
[10:21] <fsphil> what's the error?
[10:21] <juxta_> let me jump on the machine, 2 secs
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[10:23] <juxta|console> fsphil: hamlib_loop: Rig not responding: mode
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[10:26] <fsphil> windows?
[10:26] <juxta|console> yeah
[10:27] <fsphil> when you change the mode on the radio, is the fldigi (non-hab mode) display updating too?
[10:28] <juxta|console> let me try
[10:29] <juxta|console> yes, seems to be
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[10:29] <juxta|console> erm, some of the time at least
[10:30] <juxta|console> I changed the mode a second time and the same error came up
[10:31] <juxta|console> I changed the mode in dl-fldigi now (non HAB mode) and it seems to have hung
[10:31] <fsphil> eek
[10:31] <juxta|console> it's come back to life now, but hung for about 20 seconds
[10:32] <fsphil> the auto-tuner code checks the mode before changing frequency, to see which way it has to tune (LSB vs USB)
[10:32] <juxta|console> hmm
[10:32] <juxta|console> that makes sense, but I guess something's not working right with hamlib there
[10:32] <juxta|console> once that error message comes up, dl-fldigi becomes pretty unstable
[10:33] <juxta|console> it wont shutdown cleanly for example
[10:36] <fsphil> it could be an issue with the windows build, I'll try it with my 817 when I get home
[10:36] <juxta|console> alrighty
[10:37] <juxta|console> I'll try it under linux later on
[10:37] <juxta|console> will try it with an icom r10 too
[10:37] <fsphil> I'll see if I can remove the mode check -- I didn't think it was querying the radio directly
[10:37] <juxta|console> (tbh though I never had much success with CAT in fldigi, dl or vanilla)
[10:38] <juxta|console> whenever I enable it, fldigi tends to become unresponsive and likely to lock up
[10:40] <fsphil> this might be relevant: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.hams.hamlib.devel/2137
[10:41] <fsphil> the windows build uses hamlib-1.2.10
[10:48] <juxta|console> ooh thats interesting
[10:49] <juxta|console> is it as easy as changing the dll's dl-fldigi is compiled against?
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[10:52] <fsphil> in theory
[10:53] <fsphil> there's a build environment on nessie I think...
[10:56] <fsphil> trying to build with hamlib-1.2.12
[11:00] Action: SpeedEvil ponders a book full of honey roast.
[11:00] <SpeedEvil> BRB - sandwitch.
[11:00] <SpeedEvil> Now - where did I put that cardboard.
[11:04] <Darkside> ok, the auto-tuner code won't work on the FRG-9600 then
[11:04] <Darkside> since you can only set the mode and frequency, not read them
[11:06] <fsphil> can fldigi control it at all?
[11:06] <SpeedEvil> Autotune is cheating! Learn to tune it properly.
[11:06] <Darkside> fsphil: no idea
[11:06] <Darkside> haven't wired up a CAT cable yet
[11:06] <Darkside> i've noticed fldigi constantly polls the radio for the frequency, which won't work in this case
[11:07] <fsphil> it might work, if hamlib 'cheats' and caches the last frequency and mode it set
[11:07] <fsphil> assumes the userhasn't change either though
[11:07] <fsphil> manually on the rig that is
[11:07] <Darkside> yeah
[11:07] <Darkside> i was planning on using this rig as a remote control rig
[11:08] <Darkside> so ideally nobody would be touching it
[11:34] <fsphil> hmm, I should probably have started this build in a screen session
[11:43] <fsphil> juxta_, http://www.sanslogic.co.uk/files/dl-fldigi-3.20.29_setup_hamlibtest.exe
[11:43] <fsphil> compiled with hamlib-1.2.12, no warranty :)
[11:45] <juxta_> oh wow!
[11:45] <juxta_> thanks fsphil :)
[11:46] <juxta_> I'll grab it now and test it on the pc with the radio connected in the morning, will let you know how it goes
[11:46] <Darkside> >_>
[11:46] <fsphil> hopefully that'll do the job
[11:46] <Darkside> make your own converter already :P
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[12:03] <fsphil> anyone used a D005 Mini DV Camera? they're really cheap
[12:04] <davidjc> Hi fsphil I was a reseller of such things at one point.
[12:06] <davidjc> Mainly too look out as there are many different versions in the same body usually, which can differ in quality quite a bit.
[12:08] <fsphil> ah, so it's a lucky dip then? or is there something to look out for?
[12:10] <davidjc> Well I mainly sold the 808 version which you can find out a lot of info here http://www.chucklohr.com/808/ There are 8+ versions, usually you can trick a seller in to giving away what version they are selling through features in that link
[12:11] <davidjc> But yes, a little bit of a lucky dip. They use parts from mobile phone seconds etc I think, and once that batch of parts is used up they move on to a slightly different version. Out of the 808 the #3 was the best version by far, but looked the same on the outside.
[12:12] <davidjc> Had to stop selling due to not getting reliable suppliers in china who kept sending me terrible versions, which they stated it would be #3. At one point had 200 or so #7 which is basically unusable.
[12:12] <SpeedEvil> :/
[12:15] <fsphil> great link, thanks
[12:15] <fsphil> I think I'll risk getting one
[12:15] <davidjc> Going to send up a #3 version on my launch , which may be this weekend. Problem is the battery life is around 50 mins on a good day. Might get a higher capacity one.
[12:15] <davidjc> Yeah for a few £ its worth it.
[12:17] <fsphil> I'm hoping to use one to video the balloon burst, and the parachute working
[12:17] <x-f> i have one of those 808, by description it seems to be #3
[12:17] <fsphil> might be able to power it from the main payload batteries
[12:17] <x-f> the quality of the picture is comparable to an old mobile phone :)
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[12:18] <x-f> keep in mind that 30 minutes of video takes 2 GB
[12:20] <davidjc> Also on the 808, some seem to have a close and continue recording after a time/file size, where as some stop recording. Might be worth checking if this applied to the version/model you are ordering fsphil.
[12:22] <fsphil> good point
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[13:40] <TangoAlpha_> anyone working on a balloon project in or near berkshire or hampshire?
[13:41] <SpeedEvil> Cambridge is near berkshire, where I sit.
[13:41] <SpeedEvil> ^from where
[13:41] <TangoAlpha_> lol
[13:42] <TangoAlpha_> you must be sitting a long way way
[13:42] <SpeedEvil> Fife, Scotland.
[13:42] <TangoAlpha_> i'd wave but i don't think you see me
[13:42] <SpeedEvil> :)
[13:48] <TangoAlpha_> are there any guides anywhere on how to attach the balloon and payload? where to put a cutdown mechanism? best way to avoid entanglements?
[13:48] <SpeedEvil> Generally, the payload goes under the balloon.
[13:48] <SpeedEvil> It's easier.
[13:49] <SpeedEvil> Typically, balloon, 10m of line, parachute, payload.
[13:49] <TangoAlpha_> not side by side? ah
[13:49] <SpeedEvil> As I understand it.
[13:50] <SpeedEvil> Burst as cutdown works acceptably, I have got - for when I launch mine - a cutdown made from a 1W resistor that's rated to operate to 350C surface temp
[13:50] <SpeedEvil> Put a loop of tape, gently pressed up against it, holding the balloon on. Turn on resistor, and 40s later, tape melts, without ever exceeding the ratings or doing anything unexpcted
[13:51] <TangoAlpha_> is there any line above the parachute? does the balloon attached directly to the parachute?
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[13:53] <davidjc> Tango, ive been told 10m of line from the balloon to parachute, then 5m from the parachute to the payload.
[13:53] <fsphil> that's what I did, worked well (I think :)
[13:53] <TangoAlpha_> what happens to the top 10m of line when the balloon bursts? does it not foul the parachute?
[13:53] <fsphil> at least, it came down fairly gently so the parachute must have worked and the remains of the balloon didn't get tangled
[13:54] <fsphil> the remains of the balloon and cord should dangle below the payload
[13:54] <TangoAlpha_> i was thinking about using a pull solenoid and looping the line around it. once the balloon bursts, i could activate the solenoid
[13:55] <TangoAlpha_> maybe i thinking to deeply, lol
[13:56] <fsphil> the simplest method seems to be nichrome wire -- basically burn the cord
[13:57] <fsphil> no moving parts, just apply power
[13:58] <TangoAlpha_> i guess if the cord is light enough, air will be able to fill the parachute anyway
[13:59] <fsphil> The nylon cord that RocketBoy sells is very light, 0.6g per meter
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[14:00] <davidjc> 10m of 1.5mm (Breaking Strain 22.5Kg) line weights around 6g
[14:00] <davidjc> ^^
[14:00] <Laurenceb> ive used resistors loads of times
[14:00] <fsphil> sorry, 1g per meter
[14:00] <Laurenceb> very easy
[14:00] <SpeedEvil> 1g/meter is about a square milimeter at 1000kg/m^2 density
[14:01] <SpeedEvil> So you can see that thread is going to be considerably under that
[14:01] <TangoAlpha_> rocketboy?
[14:02] <fsphil> aka steve randall, http://randomsolutions.co.uk/
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[14:03] <TangoAlpha_> ah, already have that site noted as a good place to shop :-)
[14:04] <davidjc> You started building your payload tango?
[14:05] <TangoAlpha_> still at the thinking stage
[14:06] <TangoAlpha_> thoughts so far... http://weeble.ath.cx/projects/balloon.php
[14:07] <davidjc> One thing I realised is how quickly things start to add to the weight, even on my simple build. My first payload, just the box itself weighed too much, from putting it on the scales my face went from :D to :/ to :( when i realised i would have to re build it lighter.
[14:09] <TangoAlpha_> my only concern about weight (at the moment, naivety is great) are the two cameras i am planning on having
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[14:09] <SpeedEvil> you can often strip down cameras.
[14:10] <davidjc> my canon a560 with batteries weighs in at around 250-300g
[14:10] <TangoAlpha_> i was hoping to find someone nearby and "apprentice" for them
[14:11] <SpeedEvil> Also - see http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=961876 on weight of flying stuff.
[14:11] <TangoAlpha_> hopefully avoiding as many mistakes as possible
[14:11] <davidjc> Nice site tango, like how it links to all the stuff, which has just made realised i forgot to order a swivel
[14:12] <TangoAlpha_> thanks. like to keep notes where possible
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[14:20] <davidjc> Do you guys set your camera to a specific ISO, aperture and shutter speed or do you leave it on auto?
[14:21] <fsphil> I set mine to landscape mode -- if only to turn of the auto-flash
[14:22] <davidjc> Ah yes, I forgot about the auto flash.
[14:23] <davidjc> Landscape mode also did not come to mind as Im more use to using a DSLR on manual these days.
[14:23] <TangoAlpha_> still working on the most important part of the project...
[14:24] <TangoAlpha_> the name
[14:24] <davidjc> Crucial to its success :D
[14:24] <x-f> yes, that's a tough one
[14:24] <TangoAlpha_> topgun? cause it'll crash and burn?
[14:25] <davidjc> Depends if your going to use hydrogen :D
[14:26] <TangoAlpha_> wasn't planning on it
[14:26] <TangoAlpha_> maybe just crash then
[14:26] <fsphil> I was, then I read the safety guides...
[14:26] <fsphil> still might
[14:26] <NigeyS> oh cmon phil its only a SMALL explosion :P
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[14:28] <davidjc> Now if only we could "fill" a balloon with a vacuum.
[14:32] <fsphil> thin metal balloon, reinforced by a magnetic field
[14:32] <SpeedEvil> And the other axis?
[14:33] <NigeyS> hey speedy
[14:34] <fsphil> The evil axis?
[14:36] <Laurenceb> dont talk about my friend kim like that
[14:39] <NigeyS> ohh that fruit cake :p
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[15:12] <fsphil> shame hydrogen fuel cells are so pricey -- would make a great battery for a hab flight :)
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[15:19] <Zuph> Balloon til' i die
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[15:19] <fsphil> that bad huh?
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[15:20] <Zuph> It's all tiny tiny little problems now. The annoying ones that usually cause me to abandon a project at 95% completeness.
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[15:26] <fsphil> still, must mean you're nearly there now
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[15:26] <Zuph> Yeah, but it's more annoying to nearly be there than be nowhere close
[15:28] <Zuph> It'll be exciting to see this thing fly though :-p
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[15:29] <Zuph> Then go completely dark due to an unforseen bug.
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[15:30] <fsphil> we of little faith :)
[15:31] <Zuph> I wrote the code, I think I am completely fit to judge the amount of faithfulness which should be placed in it :-P
[15:31] <fsphil> it's worse knowing everything is working, but the signal is too weak to decode!
[15:31] <fsphil> lol
[15:44] <imrcly> shouldn't have that problem with the sat modem
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[15:46] <fsphil> nope, an all or nothing affair with that
[15:57] <NigeyS> The British Geological Survey (BGS) has issued a geomagnetic storm warning, and says observers might be able to see aurorae from the northern UK.
[15:58] <fsphil> sweeeet
[15:58] <NigeyS> huge CME early hours of this morning
[15:58] <fsphil> hopefully the clouds will stay away long enough to see it
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[15:58] <NigeyS> Displays of the Northern Lights (aurora borealis) have already been seen further south than usual in Northern Ireland and elsewhere in the UK. And further solar activity is expected over the next few days.
[15:59] <NigeyS> you should def be able to see it phil :D
[15:59] <fsphil> already seen? where they on an aircraft? :)
[15:59] <NigeyS> haha they forgot to mention that part ;)
[16:00] <fsphil> I bet I know who seen it too .. guy who lives not far from here, seems to spot them before anyone else
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[16:02] <NigeyS> lucky git !
[16:03] <fsphil> yea, dunno how he does it
[16:03] <NigeyS> what was that website that shows the probable aurora track over the U.K ?
[16:04] <fsphil> dunno about probable, but here's the current: http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/pmap/
[16:04] <fsphil> all quite so far
[16:05] <NigeyS> ahh thats the 1
[16:05] <NigeyS> http://www.geomag.bgs.ac.uk/data_service/space_weather/alert_2011-02-15.html
[16:05] <NigeyS> check the size of it! kinda huge
[16:06] <fsphil> ahh, there's the kaboom.
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[16:07] <fsphil> hmm.. the moon will be out
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[16:08] <NigeyS> yeah thats gonna kill it :(
[16:08] <NigeyS> like having a dam halogen lamp above you
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[16:41] <griffonbot> @nearsys: UltraLight directions are now at testing the Tiny Trak. After that, the PICAXE. Getting closer to done. #ARHAB [http://twitter.com/nearsys/status/37914470231703552]
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[16:57] <eroomde> jonsowman: ping
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[17:20] <jonsowman> eroomde: hi
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[18:06] <NigeyS> hey Dan-K2VOL
[18:48] <fsphil> getting cloudy
[18:53] <NigeyS> bah that sucks :(
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[19:29] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[19:30] <fsphil> hai
[19:31] <Lunar_Lander> 2 hours until the ariane webcast begins
[19:31] Action: SpeedEvil is somewhat unimpressed with ariane.
[19:31] <SpeedEvil> I mean - sure - they're reliable - but very 'old skool'
[19:32] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:32] <Lunar_Lander> the new one looks like Delta IV Heavy
[19:32] <Lunar_Lander> or better
[19:33] <Lunar_Lander> the Delta IV looks like Ariane 5
[19:33] <Lunar_Lander> :P
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[20:30] <Lunar_Lander> one hour until webcast
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[20:35] <fsphil> I wonder if the launch will pass over the UK
[20:35] <Lunar_Lander> well, it follows the ISS orbit
[20:35] <Lunar_Lander> so the ATV will surely pass the UK
[20:36] <russss> ISS is currently over southern spain
[20:36] <fsphil> should pass germany too from the looks of it
[20:38] <fsphil> actually it looks like its going to go directly over the uk
[20:38] <Elwell> on 2nd pass
[20:38] <Elwell> 1st one goes overhead here but its bloomin cloudy
[20:38] <russss> I don't know what the initial orbit for the ATV will be
[20:38] <Elwell> http://www.arianespace.com/images/launch-kits/launch-kit-pdf-eng/ATV-Johannes-Kepler-Launchkit-GB-updated.pdf
[20:38] Action: LazyLeopard hasn't gone looking for ISS in a while...
[20:39] <Lunar_Lander> russss it must be close to the ISS orbit
[20:39] <russss> ISS is going to be about ~100km above its initial orbit
[20:39] <Elwell> oh ISS visible now
[20:39] <Lunar_Lander> because if it is not, they cannot rendesvouz and dock
[20:39] <Elwell> where's radio
[20:40] <russss> yeah but it takes about 2 days to conduct the most fuel-efficient rendezvous with the ISS
[20:40] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:41] <Lunar_Lander> but the inclination should at least be the same
[20:41] <russss> yeah inclination is the same
[20:42] <Lunar_Lander> so the ATV should be spottable in the UK and europe
[20:42] <Lunar_Lander> or just where the ISS can be seen
[20:42] <fsphil> the sky has cleared up here ... bright moon, no aurora
[20:42] <russss> it's probably pretty dim though
[20:42] <LazyLeopard> ...but ISS would be in eclipse by the time it gets over here...
[20:43] <fsphil> I spotted a Soyuz once, travelling just ahead of the ISS
[20:43] <russss> yeah I was going to say
[20:43] <russss> it's in the dark now
[20:43] <LazyLeopard> Watched ISS and Atlantis flying a degree or so apart once...
[20:44] <fsphil> also,,, brrr it's cold out there!
[20:44] <Lunar_Lander> do you know the photo of ISS and STS in front of the sun?
[20:45] <russss> http://legault.perso.sfr.fr/iss_atlantis_transit_2010.html
[20:46] <Lunar_Lander> yeah that one
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[20:51] <mattltm> Hey :)
[20:51] <Elwell> still, I'd really like them to delay till tomorrow
[20:51] <fsphil> I wonder if the engines will still be firing by the time it gets to the UK
[20:51] <fsphil> hullo mattltm
[20:51] <Elwell> then I get to see STS-133 go up :-)
[20:51] <mattltm> Whats going on?
[20:52] <fsphil> mattltm, ATV launch
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[20:52] <russss> Elwell: the latest news is that the ATV launching tonight actually might not cause STS-133's launch date to move
[20:52] <fsphil> Elwell, you heading to Florida?
[20:52] <russss> http://twitter.com/#!/NASA/status/37949816063541248
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[20:52] <mattltm> ATV?
[20:53] <fsphil> ESA cargo craft, launching to the ISS
[20:53] <mattltm> Ohh. I see
[20:53] <russss> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automated_Transfer_Vehicle
[20:53] <Elwell> fsphil: yeah, arrive on 25th
[20:53] <mattltm> Cool.
[20:53] <fsphil> you lucky lucky git :)
[20:54] <fsphil> hope you catch the shuttle
[20:54] <Elwell> nahm it goes up when i'm in heathrow
[20:54] <fsphil> well it's a nice part of the world too :p
[20:55] <russss> http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2011/02/ariane-mission-launch-atv-2-space-station/
[20:55] <russss> that's a more technical article
[20:55] <mattltm> is the ATV launch webcast?
[20:55] <Elwell> I was originallty hoping ro get to see -134 seeing as I've seem AMS (admittedly with cryo magnet) in the clean room at work
[20:57] <Elwell> mattltm: http://www.videocorner.tv/videocorner2/live_flv/index.php?langue=en 34 mins
[20:57] <mattltm> Yay. T?
[20:57] <mattltm> Opps. all working. :)
[20:58] <mattltm> Loving the music!
[20:58] <natrium42> did it launch?
[20:59] <russss> launch is 21:50 UTC
[20:59] <russss> so an hour's time
[20:59] <natrium42> ah
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[21:01] <hwhnp> hey guys
[21:01] <russss> apparently the ATV is designed for a nominal 8-day flight time to the ISS
[21:01] <hwhnp> new balloon project here
[21:01] <russss> which is why it collides (not literally, I hope) with STS-133 next week
[21:02] <hwhnp> our project named 'Houston we have no problem' is using the lassenIQ gps
[21:03] <hwhnp> anyone familiar with?
[21:05] <natrium42> yes
[21:05] <hwhnp> ?
[21:06] <hwhnp> ok i have some design problem here
[21:06] <hwhnp> i already use an AVR with 4 UART ports
[21:06] <natrium42> ok
[21:07] <hwhnp> and now i read that the lassen IQ has 2 uart ports
[21:07] <jcoxon> hwhnp, you only need 1
[21:07] <natrium42> one outputs nmea
[21:07] <natrium42> the other a custom protocol
[21:07] <hwhnp> ok tsip is never used?
[21:07] <natrium42> you can use either one
[21:07] <jcoxon> you don't need it
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[21:08] <hwhnp> ok by default it outputs the full 3d nmea?
[21:08] <natrium42> yes
[21:08] <natrium42> you can turn off some sentence that you dont need
[21:09] <natrium42> but it's not necessary
[21:09] <hwhnp> yes ok, but these settings has to be done via tsip commands?
[21:09] <natrium42> not as far as i know
[21:10] <natrium42> anyway, you can just hook up the tx line only
[21:10] <natrium42> if you don't need to send anything to the module
[21:10] <natrium42> and use the tx for something else
[21:10] <natrium42> bbl
[21:11] <hwhnp> the tsip port is bi-directional
[21:11] <hwhnp> ok maybe it is uncommon but what if i hoke my AVR TX to the TSIP en AVR RX to the NMEA port
[21:12] <hwhnp> if they both have the same baud settings :)
[21:13] <hwhnp> because it looks that the Rx line from the NMEA port is never used
[21:23] <hwhnp> ?
[21:24] <jcoxon> hwhnp, do you need to send commands to the module?
[21:24] <jcoxon> (and yes that would work in theory)
[21:26] <hwhnp> maybe
[21:26] <hwhnp> because every setting has to be sebd via the tsip i think
[21:26] <hwhnp> i just read the manual
[21:27] <jcoxon> what settings do you need to change?
[21:27] <hwhnp> but can not see where NMEA Rx is used for
[21:28] <hwhnp> I do not have specific setting in mind right now, but it makes your PCB flexible
[21:28] <jcoxon> very true
[21:29] <jcoxon> for basic stuff nmea is just fine
[21:29] <hwhnp> i see that nmea has also different outputs
[21:29] <jcoxon> tsip is useful for cleverer stuff
[21:29] <hwhnp> but these have to be set via a tsip command
[21:29] <hwhnp> and I ussume thes commands can only send to the tsip port
[21:30] <jcoxon> yes, thats what i remember
[21:30] <hwhnp> where is NMEA Rx used for, anyone an idea?
[21:30] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.videocorner.tv/index.htm
[21:30] <Lunar_Lander> webcast
[21:34] <Laurenceb_> server not found
[21:34] <Lunar_Lander> 90 seconds
[21:34] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.videocorner.tv/videocorner2/live_flv/index.php?langue=en
[21:34] <Laurenceb_> to what
[21:34] <Lunar_Lander> ariane launch webcast
[21:34] <russss> to the stream starting, heh
[21:34] <Laurenceb_> ah
[21:35] <Laurenceb_> lol
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[21:35] <russss> it's had two different countdowns and a test card
[21:35] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:35] <hwhnp> ah I think the NMEA RX is only used foor DGPS correction signal input
[21:35] <Lunar_Lander> when this one is at 0, the intro starts
[21:36] <Laurenceb_> DJ Jean: Get Ready For The Launch
[21:36] <russss> haha intro
[21:36] <russss> flashy intro
[21:36] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:36] <Lunar_Lander> a new one
[21:36] <russss> nasa tv could learn a thing or two
[21:36] <Elwell> musics familiar
[21:37] <Lunar_Lander> the one they used up to december, the same music was used, but a different video
[21:37] <russss> rainy
[21:37] <Laurenceb_> server not found still
[21:37] <Lunar_Lander> damn
[21:38] <SpeedEvil> hwhnp: Also probably to configure baudrate and sentances
[21:38] <fsphil> 12 minutes to launch
[21:38] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/ATV/SEM7VVLTRJG_0.html
[21:38] <russss> what's the difference with that one?
[21:39] <Laurenceb_> is anyone seeing the video?
[21:39] <Elwell> yup
[21:39] <Lunar_Lander> they stream the arianespace stream too
[21:39] <Laurenceb_> odd
[21:39] <Lunar_Lander> yeah video runs
[21:39] <Laurenceb_> ill try nasa tv
[21:39] <mattltm> perfect here
[21:39] <russss> I'm watching the arianespace one
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[21:39] <russss> spacevidcast might be carrying it
[21:39] <mattltm> but I am watching to via a 100M line :)
[21:39] <Elwell> www.videocorner.tv is an alias for g1.panthercdn.com.
[21:40] <Elwell> only on adsl but seems ok
[21:40] <Lunar_Lander> here
[21:40] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html
[21:40] <Lunar_Lander> NASA TV runs the arianespace stream
[21:41] <Elwell> nasa stream is about 1 min late on iphone compared to the flash one
[21:42] <Lunar_Lander> oh no
[21:42] <Elwell> 1:10
[21:42] <Elwell> thats with the nasa app
[21:42] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:43] <Elwell> just 8:00 now on flash
[21:44] <russss> there is a fax machine in mission control
[21:44] <mattltm> Fax for the WIN!
[21:44] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:44] <Lunar_Lander> here they have auto sequence already
[21:44] <Elwell> is spelling ok?
[21:44] <fsphil> lol
[21:44] <Elwell> nope :-)
[21:44] <Lunar_Lander> 6:15 here
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[21:47] <Elwell> well passed last night stage then
[21:47] <Lunar_Lander> tanks pressurizing
[21:48] <Elwell> lots of crts still
[21:49] <russss> I like these french guys
[21:49] <russss> it's so different from nasa
[21:49] <russss> my stream just died
[21:49] <russss> oh it's back
[21:50] <Elwell> pause at 1:10 briefly
[21:50] <mattltm> Mission control looks like a 70's bond villain's lair!
[21:50] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:50] <mattltm> Just needs a fluffy white cat.
[21:50] <Elwell> damn dog wants to go out
[21:51] <Lunar_Lander> liftoff!
[21:51] <fsphil> arg, silly CGI
[21:52] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:52] <russss> damn clouds
[21:52] <Lunar_Lander> they hadn't have a onboard cam for ages!
[21:52] <russss> well, it is dark
[21:52] <fsphil> hehe
[21:52] <Elwell> top marks for his 5/2 calculation
[21:53] <fsphil> oh nice shot
[21:53] <fsphil> was that real?
[21:53] <Lunar_Lander> yeah but that clip is an old flight
[21:54] <fsphil> ah
[21:54] <Lunar_Lander> they hadn't have an onboard camera for a number of flights
[21:57] <russss> ah I didn't know that they were going to launch soyuzes from guiyana
[21:58] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:58] <Lunar_Lander> and the Vega will be interesting too
[22:01] <russss> that man has amazing glasses
[22:01] <Elwell> 's penfold!
[22:02] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[22:02] <Lunar_Lander> we have flight 200 right
[22:02] <Lunar_Lander> http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/4444/picture101o.jpg
[22:04] <fsphil> should be half way over the atlantic now
[22:04] <Lunar_Lander> true
[22:07] <Laurenceb_> i dont get whats happening with the soyuz launches
[22:07] <Laurenceb_> they have the pad ready and 2 soyuzs in a hanger, but no launches :(
[22:07] <Lunar_Lander> yeah they say they do "testing"
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[22:09] <Laurenceb_> theres grass growning down the side of the pad :/
[22:09] <Laurenceb_> *growing
[22:09] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:10] <russss> the first one is meant to be August
[22:15] <LazyLeopard> I guess the grass won't last long when they do launch?
[22:15] <SpeedEvil> Evolution in action.
[22:16] <SpeedEvil> Sooner or later, they will breed a grass that can.
[22:16] <Laurenceb_> lol
[22:17] <fsphil> Roger Subirana tune
[22:19] <Lunar_Lander> ATV above eastern europe now
[22:20] <russss> apparently the shuttle burns a fair amount of the grass at LC39 every time it goes up
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[22:21] <russss> but it grows back and they decided (probably at great expense) that it was the best surface to use
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[22:22] <SpeedEvil> Won't somebody think of the chil... /me fails to think of a grass that starts with chil.
[22:28] <Lunar_Lander> apporaching himalayas
[22:28] <Laurenceb_> thats mental
[22:28] <Laurenceb_> wish i could go on holiday that fast
[22:28] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
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[22:51] <Lunar_Lander> 2nd upper stage burn complete
[22:55] <Lunar_Lander> seperation
[22:55] <Lunar_Lander> end of mission
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[23:28] <Lunar_Lander> solar panels open
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[23:33] <Lunar_Lander> hello Dan-K2VOL
[23:33] <Lunar_Lander> hello juxta
[23:42] <juxta> hi Lunar_Lander
[23:42] <juxta> you still about fsphil?
[23:44] <fsphil> hiya juxta, just about :)
[23:44] <juxta> it's 10am here now, hehe
[23:44] <juxta> just tested that build you compiled for me
[23:44] <juxta> seems more stable - not crashing or locking up so much anymore
[23:44] <juxta> however the auto frequency tuning doesn't seem to work still :(
[23:45] <fsphil> same error?
[23:46] <juxta> yes, same error- but it's not coming up in a dialogue now, only in the log
[23:46] <juxta> when I hit the QSY button it does tune the radio & centre the signal, but it takes 3-4 seconds and is blocking so nothing else happens in the meantime
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[23:47] <fsphil> but tuning with the frequency box doesn't have that pause?
[23:47] <juxta> there's a slight pause, but nowhere near as long
[23:47] <juxta> when I watch the log hitting QSY, there are a couple of messages
[23:48] <juxta> one is the same error as before, then there's also QSY: protocol error
[23:51] <fsphil> the only difference is the bit that reads the mode
[23:51] <fsphil> I'll change that
[23:52] <juxta> there's an option in the hamlib config which you can set 'as per radio', 'usb only', or 'lsb only'
[23:52] <juxta> I've tried experimenting with that but it doesn't seem to help :(
[23:56] <fsphil> could be a thread issue too
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