highaltitude.log.20110215

[00:00] <Lunar_Lander> same here
[00:00] <Lunar_Lander> I started reading the book by Paul Verhage
[00:00] <Lunar_Lander> (the HAB flyer from Kansas)
[00:00] <Dan-K2VOL> hmm didn't realize he had one
[00:00] <Lunar_Lander> was released on parallax.com
[00:01] <Lunar_Lander> in fact it is 15 PDFs
[00:01] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.parallax.com/tabid/567/Default.aspx
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[00:02] <Dan-K2VOL> parallax is doing paul quite the dis-service with that "UAV" disclaimer at the top. in the USA these balloons are specificaly exempted from the horribly restrictive UAV laws
[00:03] <Dan-K2VOL> likely to get some eager lawyer after him just for fun
[00:03] <Lunar_Lander> true
[00:03] <Lunar_Lander> the FAA 101 exempt right?
[00:04] <Dan-K2VOL> the UAV section, wherever that is, makes an exception for balloons, I don't know what section it's in, but it's not the traditional balloon section
[00:04] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[00:04] <Lunar_Lander> 101 IIRC
[00:05] <Lunar_Lander> that you can have 12 lbs split into two packages and so on
[00:05] <Dan-K2VOL> that's the section that doesn't deal with UAVs
[00:05] <Dan-K2VOL> that's the balloon section
[00:05] <Lunar_Lander> oh ok
[00:05] <Dan-K2VOL> that's been on the law since the 1960s, the UAV thing is very new
[00:06] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[00:06] <Lunar_Lander> but the exempt is like a dream come true I would say
[00:07] <Dan-K2VOL> yes, I suspect it won't be around for long
[00:07] <Dan-K2VOL> once homeland security finally figures out how cool it is
[00:08] <Lunar_Lander> ohhh :(
[00:08] <Lunar_Lander> so we'd need to get NCAR to do a small balloon project which runs under the exempt
[00:08] <Lunar_Lander> so that it keeps existing
[00:08] <Lunar_Lander> or NOAA or so
[00:09] <Dan-K2VOL> nah, basically they would just change the law so it's only legal for gov't agencies, or everyone has to file an application that just gets rejected based on a nebulous "hazard to the public" clause
[00:09] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[00:10] <Lunar_Lander> but here in germany for instance
[00:10] <Lunar_Lander> they require you to call in 8 days before launch
[00:10] <Lunar_Lander> and if I got them correctly, that is it
[00:10] <Lunar_Lander> just one more call just before liftoff
[00:11] <Dan-K2VOL> I'm actually going to try to have the law amended to be more in line with current technology, to have an ADS-B transmitter onboard, which could be done with something as simple as the APRS radios we already use
[00:11] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[00:11] <Dan-K2VOL> or something like that
[00:11] <Lunar_Lander> you can do that?
[00:11] <Lunar_Lander> I mean sending in a suggestion for amendment or so
[00:11] <Dan-K2VOL> anyone can lobby to have a law made or changed
[00:11] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[00:11] <Lunar_Lander> that is great
[00:12] <Dan-K2VOL> you have to put in a bunch of time with a congress person, and convince them to put their name on your suggested law, and they submit it for a vote in congress
[00:12] <Lunar_Lander> nice
[00:12] <Dan-K2VOL> actually this would be a regulation, so I'm a little less clear on the rulemaking process for that, but it's possible to try
[00:13] <Lunar_Lander> yeah definately
[00:14] <Dan-K2VOL> I think that the kind of balloon we're flying should absolutely require ADS-B. floating at airline cruising altitude. I'd have one on board now, if any of the damn airlines would get off their ass and install the receivers in their planes
[00:16] <Lunar_Lander> true
[00:16] <Lunar_Lander> yours is a little different story than normal HAB#
[00:16] <Dan-K2VOL> yeah, but I'd also like to make it easier to do our type of balloon, it doesn't have to be this hard, and it's really fun
[00:16] <Lunar_Lander> and it is good that you and all the others here think about safety
[00:17] <Lunar_Lander> yeah that is true
[00:17] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[00:17] <Dan-K2VOL> ADS-B would alleviate the need to telephone ATC all the time the balloon is in the air
[00:18] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[00:18] <Dan-K2VOL> which we're not required to do now, but a floater flight really increases the chance of bumping up with an airplane
[00:18] <Lunar_Lander> true
[00:18] <Lunar_Lander> as it hangs at 35,000, right?
[00:19] <Dan-K2VOL> floating with such a small balloon is something no one expected anyone to do when the law was made in the 1960s
[00:19] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[00:19] <Dan-K2VOL> yeah
[00:20] <Dan-K2VOL> I'm not dead set on any details, I'd want to make sure the whole arhab community had a chance to have their opinion voiced and weighed in
[00:21] <Lunar_Lander> true
[00:21] <Lunar_Lander> and that again brings up the idea I had with Zuph
[00:21] <Lunar_Lander> of that Balloon Club
[00:21] <Dan-K2VOL> yeah someone to be trained liasons to ATC, so ATC isn't inundated with bumbling newbies all the tiem
[00:23] <Dan-K2VOL> where in Germany are you Lunar?
[00:23] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[00:23] <Lunar_Lander> Osnabruck, Lower Saxony
[00:23] <Lunar_Lander> that is the North West
[00:23] <Dan-K2VOL> cool
[00:24] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[00:24] <Lunar_Lander> I actually screwed up the first e-mail to flight safety here
[00:24] <Dan-K2VOL> heh
[00:24] <Lunar_Lander> I asked if you can fly a balloon with a payload of "20-50 kg"
[00:24] <Dan-K2VOL> whoooah
[00:24] <stilldavid> Dan-K2VOL, steamfire still a good email for you?
[00:24] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[00:24] <Dan-K2VOL> yes
[00:24] <Dan-K2VOL> stilldavid yes
[00:24] <stilldavid> incoming...
[00:24] <Dan-K2VOL> cool
[00:25] <Lunar_Lander> that was before I learned how light modern electronics are
[00:25] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[00:25] <Dan-K2VOL> heh what did you do for hobbies before balloons Lunar_Lander
[00:25] <Lunar_Lander> well I was into space quite much
[00:25] <Lunar_Lander> collecting everyting on probes and satellites
[00:25] <Lunar_Lander> but also, I didn't hear of Picosats before coming to balloons
[00:28] <Lunar_Lander> even earlier my interest was in car washes ;)
[00:30] <Lunar_Lander> but well
[00:30] <Lunar_Lander> when they did not write back I called and talked to the friendly woman there
[00:31] <Lunar_Lander> she was interested that I was doing it at my university and she told me that my configuration (1500 balloon+2 kg payload) was no problem
[00:31] <Lunar_Lander> the problem was elsewhere
[00:31] <Dan-K2VOL> nice
[00:31] <Lunar_Lander> my uni is on the border of two control areas
[00:32] <Lunar_Lander> so I found out the exact position of that parking lot and mailed it to her
[00:32] <Dan-K2VOL> ah
[00:32] <Lunar_Lander> and she said that Bremen is responsible
[00:32] <Dan-K2VOL> you can also purchase aviation maps, usually at your local flight school
[00:32] <Lunar_Lander> and gave me the phone numbers and everything
[00:32] <Dan-K2VOL> nice lady
[00:32] <Lunar_Lander> yeah we have a little airfield for Cessna and so on
[00:32] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[00:33] <Lunar_Lander> I e-mailed them if they would like to help
[00:33] <Lunar_Lander> because the ham radio club also meets at the airfield
[00:33] <Lunar_Lander> so there could have been some kind of control station
[00:33] <Lunar_Lander> but I never got a reply from there
[00:38] <Dan-K2VOL> eh my experience is that people don't want to do anything
[00:38] <Dan-K2VOL> :-P
[00:38] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[00:39] <Dan-K2VOL> haha Lunar_Lander do u have a mac?
[00:39] <Lunar_Lander> no, Vista
[00:40] <Lunar_Lander> I had Seven on my laptop but the mainboard died
[00:40] <Lunar_Lander> ;(
[00:40] <Lunar_Lander> :(
[00:41] <Dan-K2VOL> well my IRC client here reads out lout all the messages in this room so I can work on other things, and whenever anyone says "yeah" it really speaks it with a LOT of excitement, and a touch of drunkenness
[00:41] <Lunar_Lander> LOL
[00:41] <Lunar_Lander> so
[00:41] <Lunar_Lander> 3
[00:41] <Lunar_Lander> 2
[00:41] <Lunar_Lander> 1
[00:41] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[00:41] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[00:42] <Dan-K2VOL> hahaha
[00:42] <Lunar_Lander> so it says what I write?
[00:42] <Lunar_Lander> so I say
[00:42] <Lunar_Lander> hello from Kevin to the USA
[00:42] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[00:42] <Dan-K2VOL> lol yes, my girlfriend is laughing now
[00:42] <Dan-K2VOL> and says hello from Kentucky to you
[00:43] <Lunar_Lander> thank you :)
[00:43] <Lunar_Lander> xD reminds me of an avatar I saw
[00:44] <Lunar_Lander> "Gettin' Lucky in Kentucky"
[00:44] <Dan-K2VOL> haha she used to have a t-shirt that said that
[00:45] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[00:47] <Lunar_Lander> I browsed your videos
[00:48] <Lunar_Lander> you actually got the SNOX II balloon?
[00:48] <Lunar_Lander> cool :)
[00:48] <Dan-K2VOL> oh you mean recovered it back after the crash?
[00:48] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[00:49] <Dan-K2VOL> yeah, we felt sort of obligated to, as it was dangling 3 liters of alcohol attached to a 10m long antenna wire, about 10m from a power line in someone's city home backyard
[00:50] <Lunar_Lander> oh yeah right
[00:50] <Dan-K2VOL> but now it's a nice demo balloon, though it's a bit ragget and patched
[00:50] <Dan-K2VOL> ragged
[00:50] <Lunar_Lander> where they even called the police and they told them it's no emergency
[00:50] <Dan-K2VOL> hehe yep
[00:50] <Randomskk> oh god
[00:50] <Dan-K2VOL> lol that was me who called
[00:50] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[00:50] <Randomskk> watson just /dominated/ all the humans in jeopardy round one
[00:52] <Lunar_Lander> LOL HAB-unrelated
[00:52] <Lunar_Lander> supermarket sweep has the sense that you run through and get the most expensive stuff to win?
[00:53] <Dan-K2VOL> or clean up a lot of spilled apple juice and puke
[00:53] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[00:54] <Lunar_Lander> lol shopping carts have poor drift abilities
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[00:57] <Lunar_Lander> xD actually
[00:57] <Lunar_Lander> in germany
[00:57] <Lunar_Lander> when you have a show like that that names product names and prices
[00:58] <Lunar_Lander> you have to have a continous marker on the screen that says "Commercial Broadcast"
[00:58] <Dan-K2VOL> good
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[00:58] <Lunar_Lander> yeah and when Stefan Raab, a famous entertainer was forced to use that marker, he reacted
[00:58] <Lunar_Lander> on his normal shows he now has a marker too
[00:58] <Lunar_Lander> it says "Television Broadcast"
[00:58] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[01:03] <Lunar_Lander> LOL that one guy accumulated stuff worth a thousand dollars
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[02:12] <juxta> ping Darkside
[02:18] <Darkside> pong juxta
[02:18] <juxta> heya
[02:19] <Darkside> sarp
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[02:36] <natrium42> derp
[02:37] <Darkside> herp[
[02:42] <natrium42> ]
[02:42] <natrium42> OCD'd
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[07:57] <earthshine> morning
[08:31] <fsphil> morning earthshine
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[09:18] <Darkside> juxta: ping
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[11:21] <GW8RAK> Morning All. Has anyone considered using Google Latitude for recovery tracking?
[11:22] <GW8RAK> I'm having trouble talking to the spare phone I have and wonder if this wouldn't solve the problem
[11:22] <SpeedEvil> It requires aninternet connection, as well as GPS on the phone.
[11:22] <SpeedEvil> (or for you to land right next to some wifi, and an internet connection on the phone)
[11:23] <GW8RAK> Okay. I was just reading more about it. So it only works with smart phones I assume.
[11:23] <SpeedEvil> yes
[11:23] <SpeedEvil> There is also dumb 'find my phone' services.
[11:23] <GW8RAK> I've come across those and could be tempted as they are not expensive
[11:23] <SpeedEvil> Which you register for, and then they give you the location of the phone. It's only accurate to a hundred meters at best typically though
[11:24] <SpeedEvil> And it relies on the phone having a good signal to two towers.
[11:24] <GW8RAK> +- 100 metres would be okay. I'm just thinking of a belt and braces approach.
[11:24] <SpeedEvil> Which may not be the case on the ground
[11:26] <GW8RAK> I'm just struggling to get any comms with the onboard phone, so was looking for alternatives.
[11:27] <GW8RAK> The easiest alternative is probably just change the pone.
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[13:09] <Laurenceb> GW8RAK: need one that accepts AT commands
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[14:27] <GW8RAK> Laurenceb sorry for delay in getting back to you. Yes, I've been trying one which accepts serial AT commands. Been reading more and the problem could be handshaking.
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[14:45] <NigelMoby> Afternoon
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[14:49] <NigelMoby> Hey zuph
[14:49] <Zuph> Morning NigelMoby
[14:50] <NigelMoby> Morning dude, how's you?
[14:52] <Zuph> Skipping work to work on this balloon :-p
[14:56] <NigelMoby> Oo naughty zuph lol
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[14:58] <Zuph> heh, you gotta do what you gotta do :-p
[14:59] <NigelMoby> Indeed you do
[15:09] <Dan-K2VOL> morning
[15:10] <NigelMoby> Morning Dan
[15:15] <imrcly> morning
[15:24] <Zuph> How is everyone else's ballooning going this morning?
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[15:30] <imrcly> i fell asleep at 8 woke up a 1 then couldn't get back to sleep until after 6
[15:31] <fsphil> towards a watery end if the predictions don't pick up :)
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[16:05] <NigeyS> mmm htc's tablet looks pretty nice
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[16:25] <Zuph> ping Dan-K2VOL
[16:26] <Dan-K2VOL> hey
[16:27] <Zuph> Dan-K2VOL: Check your gchat :-p
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[17:08] <jcoxon> afternoon
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[17:11] <Zuph> afternoon jcoxon
[17:25] <jcoxon> hey Zuph, hows it going?
[17:28] <Zuph> Oh, slow but sure.
[17:28] <jcoxon> good good
[17:28] <NigeyS> hi jcoxon
[17:29] <jcoxon> hey Nige
[17:29] <jcoxon> NigeyS,
[17:29] <Zuph> This damn flight computer will be the death of me. Dan-K2VOL, next time let's just send up an atom laptop.
[17:29] <jcoxon> hehe
[17:29] <jcoxon> not an easy thing to make
[17:29] <NigeyS> lol#
[17:31] <Zuph> lprintf("In: %ld\n", 225); is displaying "In: -1730150175" and I am really worried about a stack overflow at this point.
[17:31] <Dan-K2VOL> haha I wanted to send up a linux machine from the beginning
[17:31] <NigeyS> beagle board! lol
[17:31] <jcoxon> they all have their issues
[17:31] <jcoxon> you'll be in a similar situation what ever
[17:32] <Dan-K2VOL> brad, don't we have the drop in replacement chip for that that's got more ram/
[17:32] <NigeyS> james, do you know the type of crimpers needed for these crimp heads ... http://www.hobbytronics.co.uk/components/cables-connectors/crimp-conn-pins
[17:33] <Dan-K2VOL> zuph
[17:33] <jcoxon> NigeyS, nope
[17:33] <NigeyS> dam :( taking quite a while to do these dam things with pliers :/
[17:33] <Zuph> Dan-K2VOL: We do, but I'd like to confirm the prognosis before we screw up a perfectly good flight computer :-p
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[17:35] <jcoxon> ping natrium42
[17:37] <imrcly> we can send up a chrome netbook maybe google will send us one for that
[17:39] <Zuph> hah
[17:41] <imrcly> do we have the parts to build another flight computer with the new chip?
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[17:45] <Zuph> imrcly: Negative.
[17:46] <imrcly> we could have parts by friday and continue working on the old board until then
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[17:56] <NigeyS> bye peeps
[17:56] <NigeyS> lol
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[18:00] <fsphil> freenode .. needs more duct tape
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[18:10] <imrcly> they must have found the duct tape
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[19:02] <Elwell> never underestimate the usefulness of duct tape
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[19:05] <natrium42> :)
[19:05] <natrium42> i wouldn't be surprised if some is holding the fabric of space together
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[19:30] <imrcly> i found tie die duct tape yesterday
[19:30] <imrcly> i was so excited but i didn't buy it
[19:30] <Dan-K2VOL> lol
[19:31] <imrcly> i bought a nerf gun instead
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[19:37] <Elwell> now if only they'd make duct tape that was stable at 1.9K and coped with high vacuum ....
[19:40] <Dan-K2VOL> I think that's called Kapton
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[20:03] <GW8RAK> Just surprise myself and have won a scanner on ebay.
[20:03] <GW8RAK> At a reasonable price as well
[20:03] <GW8RAK> Mobile balloon tracking is now an option
[20:04] <cau> vr500?
[20:04] <cau> ive been meaningto pickup a Yupi 7100 due to HF performanc
[20:05] <fsphil> ooh what sort of coverage GW8RAK?
[20:07] <GW8RAK> A Yupiteru 7100, 530KHz to 1650MHz
[20:07] <fsphil> excellent
[20:07] <fsphil> all modes?
[20:07] <GW8RAK> All modes.
[20:08] <GW8RAK> And with wide FM, it should also cover weather satellites etc
[20:08] <fsphil> Is there much happening above 450mhz?
[20:08] <GW8RAK> All recent bids have been beaten with seconds to spare, so I'm a bit shocked to win it.
[20:09] <fsphil> the snipers had a night off :)
[20:11] <fsphil> ooh there's a 1.3GHz contest on tonight, you might hear something
[20:11] <GW8RAK> There's amateur 1296MHz, plus of course the proposed HAB around 868MHz
[20:11] <GW8RAK> Or thereabouts
[20:11] <GW8RAK> And my ideas around 176MHz
[20:11] <GW8RAK> Mostly, I want it for monitoring Air Cadet activity around here and the repeaters I'm building
[20:14] <GW8RAK> I only won it tonight!
[20:14] <GW8RAK> I've been trying to get on 23cms for years, but have always had bodged equipment. I had some early gear made by G8AAA, but it is not up to current performance levels.
[20:14] <GW8RAK> I then acquired a 150W transverter which was frightening. 1200V within easy reach of fingers.
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[20:27] <fsphil> 23cm looks really interesting
[20:27] <fsphil> plus I've got a lovely antenna up on the roof already
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[20:28] <fsphil> and afaik I'd have the band all to myself ;)
[20:28] <fsphil> I don't think there are any amateurs in the area who use it
[20:31] <fsphil> oh I got my bands mixed up, it's a 13cm antenna i have
[20:34] <GW8RAK> I bought a yagi for 23cm years ago, but it was only used with the transverter once
[20:34] <GW8RAK> Had it pointing out the shack window with 150W going to it and I seemed to develop a head ache suddenly.
[20:35] <GW8RAK> Don't know if it was connected, but I quickly dropped the power down to 10W.
[20:35] <fsphil> eek
[20:35] <GW8RAK> Only had tx from the transverter, so had a cross band contact with a friend in the next village. I was on 23cm and he was on top band.
[20:36] <GW8RAK> The widest cross band contact perhaps?
[20:36] <fsphil> not far from it anyway, if you don't count optical
[20:36] <GW8RAK> I've got most of a new transverter, but need a LO for it.
[20:37] <fsphil> what frequency do you put into it?
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[20:38] <GW8RAK> Most use 1152 LO with 144 IF. This one uses 28 IF, so I need a 1268 LO
[20:38] <GW8RAK> Of course, I've got plenty of 1152 LO's
[20:38] <fsphil> naturally :)
[20:39] <GW8RAK> I could retune it, but I'd need a stable crystal which can be hard to find
[20:41] <GW8RAK> But all these things need time which I just haven't got at present.
[20:41] <fsphil> know the feeling
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[20:46] <GW8RAK> Have just about got the software for the balloon finished and just need to tart up the board, but time is the problem.
[20:47] <GW8RAK> Work is a busy and I just want to slob in the evenings
[20:48] Action: fsphil is currently engaged in slobbing ;)
[20:48] <fsphil> watching youtube videos about 10ghz stuff
[20:49] <GW8RAK> Don't start me on 10GHz. Another band I'll get on one day.
[20:49] <fsphil> yea, it's a pretty neat trick getting on that band
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[20:49] <GW8RAK> I've got some gunn diode systems, but most/all other people are narrowband which is expensive and of little interest
[20:50] <fsphil> the guys on the videos here make it look so simple :)
[20:50] <GW8RAK> The gunn diode systems are very easy to get going with full duplex.
[20:52] <GW8RAK> I think I'll build 2 and give one to a friend. Guaranteed to have a QSO that way
[20:52] <fsphil> just reading up on it, looks pretty trivial
[20:53] <GW8RAK> Yes, supply a few volts, modulate it and there is a 10GHz signal. Self mixing on the rx end and audio out
[20:53] <GW8RAK> Did some tests a few years ago with a 10GHz datalink. Got about 2Mbps with ease. And very fast.
[20:54] <GW8RAK> Ebay is all about timing. Another Yupiteru 7100 is just finishing and it is £12 more than I paid earlier
[20:54] <GW8RAK> The only difference is a set of nicads
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[20:58] <fsphil> the waveguide for 10ghz has to be pretty precisely made
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[20:58] <GW8RAK> WG16 is the standard.
[20:58] <jcoxon> Evening
[20:58] <GW8RAK> Often available at rallies
[20:59] <Laurenceb_> GW8RAK: interesting
[20:59] <Laurenceb_> what range?
[20:59] <GW8RAK> Range of 10GHz gunn diode systems?
[20:59] <fsphil> I def gotta give that a go :) must mention it when I'm at the localish club
[20:59] <fsphil> g'day jcoxon
[21:00] <GW8RAK> The old record, which may still stand for wide band is from the top of Snowdon to another mountain top in Scotland. About 240km IIRC
[21:00] <GW8RAK> My 10GHz tv gear has been received okay at 30km.
[21:01] <GW8RAK> Off thread - does anyone know how to get Windows media player to read the album information, i.e. artist and songs please?
[21:01] <NigeyS> it should ream them automatically, it just pulls the info from the id3 tag
[21:01] <NigeyS> read*
[21:02] <GW8RAK> That's what I thought, but this machine/software is really frustrating.
[21:02] <GW8RAK> May switch to the Ubuntu machine and see if that is better.
[21:02] <GW8RAK> I know I'm 15 years behind the times, but just bought my first mp3 player!
[21:03] <GW8RAK> Got loads of CD's to rip to it.
[21:03] <GW8RAK> And cassettes
[21:03] <GW8RAK> And 78's
[21:03] <fsphil> Man, Outcasts is a depressing show
[21:03] <GW8RAK> Couldn't follow it. Gave up on it.
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[21:07] <GW8RAK> Laurenceb - the distance record for 10GHz with 2W output is 1400km
[21:08] <fsphil> rain scatter?
[21:09] <GW8RAK> Don't think so.
[21:09] <GW8RAK> Here is a simple Gunn diode system http://www.g3pho.free-online.co.uk/microwaves/wideband.htm
[21:09] <griffonbot> @nearsys: The UltraLight directions are now at the programming tests. Perhaps in a week they'll be done. #ARHAB [http://twitter.com/nearsys/status/37619568058826752]
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[21:28] <MrCraig> I'm now getting data from the gps device :-)
[21:28] <Dan-K2VOL> always good
[21:29] <MrCraig> yeah - it seems the problem I've been having getting data from the pc into the PIC must be on the PIC side - probably a conversion issue with the source I translated from a demo for a slightly different chip
[21:30] <MrCraig> hooked the gps right up to the pc - and there are strings.
[21:30] <MrCraig> two repeating strings, which probably means no satalites found as there's no antenna on it yet.
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[21:32] <NigeyS> MrCraig, nice work getting the lassen working, the 2 strings will spit out the info son as you get a sat lock, even with an antenna it can take quite a while the first time :/
[21:33] <MrCraig> quite a while in the order of minutes?
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[21:35] <MrCraig> if this receiver is anything like the one in my last nokia I'll only get a signal in direct line of the sky in a 1 meter square region in the north west of london :-P
[21:35] <NigeyS> well, it took 3 hours to get 2 sats on mine, but possibly a dodgy antenna, just make sure you're outside with it, and have a good groundplane
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[21:36] <MrCraig> ahh, well it's wired into my breadboard and on the bench supply at the moment, so I'll forgive not having a signal until I get it into place on the board and outside
[21:36] <NigeyS> :D
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[21:38] <MrCraig> I do have to figure out why the pic will tx but not rx - that's my next priority. Then I can worry about the software to translate strings
[21:40] <NigeyS> eek good luck
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[21:42] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[21:43] <MrCraig> thanks NigeyS - Hi Lunar_Lander
[21:43] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[21:43] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[21:44] <NigeyS> hi Lunar
[21:45] <Lunar_Lander> hi
[21:54] <Lunar_Lander> ariane launch 200
[21:54] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.videocorner.tv/videocorner2/live_flv/index.php?langue=en
[21:55] <fsphil> ooh, the ATV
[21:55] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
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[22:07] <Lunar_Lander> Auto Sequence
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[22:07] <fsphil> the nose-cone is empty .. wonder if they'd let us put a small satellite in there :)
[22:08] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[22:08] <Lunar_Lander> did you see the typo ?
[22:08] <Lunar_Lander> "highter altitude"
[22:08] <fsphil> missed that
[22:09] <Lunar_Lander> Status Red
[22:10] <fsphil> could be worse, could be status brown
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[22:11] <fsphil> nuts, no launch tonight
[22:11] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:11] <Zuph> Hooray!
[22:12] <Zuph> 0 0 54 6a a8 59 a0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2c 0 0 0 5 0 0 c4 3e 16 43 a8 0 0 41 b0 0 0 60 c2 9c 1b a4 42 11 39 b6 2e 5e 0 0 0 41 30 0 0 41 40 0 0 c6 90 fe 0 5 47 ff f2 0 12 The first valid data packet generated by the White star balloon computer!
[22:12] <Lunar_Lander> yay!
[22:12] <fsphil> Congrags :D
[22:12] <fsphil> Congrats too !
[22:12] <Lunar_Lander> you beat arianespace Zuph :D
[22:12] <Zuph> hah
[22:13] <fsphil> failed launch got a round of applause
[22:13] <fsphil> easy crowd
[22:13] <NigeyS> lol
[22:13] <NigeyS> well done Zuph
[22:14] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:14] <Zuph> I am going to get a celebratory burrito. brb
[22:16] <NigeyS> haha i'll have a KFC pls :P
[22:16] <Zuph> That's because no one makes good Mexican food in the UK.
[22:17] Nick change: stilldavid_ -> stilldavid
[22:17] <NigeyS> good point
[22:17] <NigeyS> ello stilldavid
[22:17] <stilldavid> ahoy
[22:21] <stilldavid> headed to this tonight: http://eoss.org/meetings/general_cu_meeting_DLC.htm
[22:22] <stilldavid> also, grats Zuph et al.
[22:22] <Zuph> stilldavid: heh, still have to get it in the air.
[22:23] <stilldavid> still a big milestone, though :)
[22:23] <Zuph> stilldavid: At least this means we can start testing our web backend :-p
[22:23] <Lunar_Lander> yeah congratulations :D
[22:23] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil: http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/8121/atv2statuscard1.png
[22:25] <Lunar_Lander> check what it says under "Mission"
[22:26] <fsphil> hehe
[22:30] <Laurenceb_> whens it launching?
[22:30] Action: Laurenceb_ hopes they didnt do that in the flight vector control firmware
[22:30] <Laurenceb_> thatd be the second time
[22:31] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:31] <Lunar_Lander> launch tomorrow
[22:31] <Lunar_Lander> there was a malfunction in the ground equipment
[22:32] <Elwell> spellchecker exited non-zero...
[22:32] <Laurenceb_> this isnt sounding encouraging :/
[22:32] <Laurenceb_> having said that spacex managed to crumple a first stage by sucking out the fuel with no vent open
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[22:33] <Lunar_Lander> yeah spacex
[22:33] <Laurenceb_> falcon XX heavy ftw
[22:33] <Lunar_Lander> they did launch the first private spaceflight
[22:33] <Lunar_Lander> but they have to learn much elsewhere
[22:33] <Lunar_Lander> they forbate NASA to publish the photos of the F9 liftoffs and other things
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[22:45] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.americaspace.org/?p=6120
[22:45] <Lunar_Lander> hi james
[22:45] <jcoxon> hey
[22:52] <jcoxon> i guess no one made a recording of any tx by WB8ELK's HF transmitter over the last few flights...
[22:52] <jcoxon> fsphil, NigeyS ?
[22:52] <fsphil> afraid not
[22:53] <NigeyS> nope sorry, didnt know he was txing
[22:53] <jcoxon> was just wondering when we were using global tuners
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[22:57] <fsphil> I usually forget to record the data from my own flights
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[23:23] <MrCraig> night night happy habbers.
[23:23] <fsphil> night MrC
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[23:29] <NigeyS> meh coffees cold
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[23:31] <Lunar_Lander> oh
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[23:39] <Lunar_Lander> hello Dan-K2VOL
[23:39] <Dan-K2VOL> hey Lunar_Lander
[23:39] <Lunar_Lander> how's life?
[23:39] <Dan-K2VOL> busy as f*&k
[23:39] <Dan-K2VOL> we're down at LVL1 working on the balloon
[23:40] <Dan-K2VOL> you?
[23:40] <Lunar_Lander> I am still reading Paul's book and I am OK :)
[23:41] <Dan-K2VOL> good good, I skimmed his payload construction chapter - that's way too much work unless you want to re-use it a hundred times!
[23:41] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[23:42] <Lunar_Lander> you mean that stuff with making an abrasion jacket and so on?
[23:42] <Dan-K2VOL> anyone use arduino with the wire library?
[23:42] <Dan-K2VOL> yeah
[23:42] <Dan-K2VOL> and the foam bottom
[23:42] <Lunar_Lander> I think so too
[23:42] <jcoxon> Dan-K2VOL, a while back with an i2c digital compass
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[23:59] <Lunar_Lander> Dan-K2VOL I think he tries to transmit that educational idea
[23:59] <Lunar_Lander> also in the next chapter when he explains soldering and programming a beacon
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