highaltitude.log.20110213

[00:00] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[00:01] <Lunar_Lander> yeah what were these again?
[00:01] <Lunar_Lander> GND
[00:01] <Lunar_Lander> and I think one is LIVE
[00:01] <Lunar_Lander> and what is the third one?
[00:01] <NigeyS> gnd, power, and data
[00:02] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[00:02] <Lunar_Lander> yeah gnd, live and the other thing is in house electrics IIRC
[00:02] <NigeyS> data being green
[00:02] <NigeyS> gnd, live, neutral
[00:03] <NigeyS> SpeedEvil, you think i need a 10Uf cap on the output voltage ?
[00:03] <Lunar_Lander> ah thanks
[00:03] <SpeedEvil> NigeyS: prolly a good idea
[00:04] <NigeyS> hmm seems stable enough with the 100Uf on the input mind
[00:05] <SpeedEvil> It proably is.
[00:05] <NigeyS> 3.27v .. not bad, less dropout than i thought
[00:13] <Lunar_Lander> NigeyS ?
[00:14] <NigeyS> yo
[00:14] <Lunar_Lander> what sensors will you fly?
[00:14] <NigeyS> 2 1-wire temp sensors, and a photocell
[00:15] <NigeyS> nothing to expensive on the first flight
[00:15] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[00:15] <Lunar_Lander> no humidity and pressure?
[00:15] <NigeyS> no, i'll be putting that on ATS-2
[00:16] <Lunar_Lander> ah ok
[00:17] <NigeyS> first flight is just up and down, no pics, just want to test everything works
[00:17] <Lunar_Lander> yeah, good idea
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[00:47] <Laurenceb_> http://www.kionix.com/gyroscopes/gyroscope-KGY13.html
[00:47] <Laurenceb_> interesting
[00:47] <Laurenceb_> third manufacturer of three axis gyros now
[00:49] <Laurenceb_> im tempted to buy the eval board from piloly.de, but kionix accels seem to be a bit lacking
[00:49] <SpeedEvil> now all we need is 4 axis gyros! :)
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[01:01] <juxta> ping Darkside
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[03:32] <Zuph> We just tested our cutdown device at -40 degrees: http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/12659392
[03:33] <Zuph> (2:35 is where the really interesting stuff happens)
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[04:48] <Dan-K2VOL> hola
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[05:04] <natrium42> yo dan
[05:04] <Dan-K2VOL> hola alexei
[05:09] <natrium42> como estas?
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[05:09] <Dan-K2VOL> great, working our asses off in another live cryo test
[05:10] <natrium42> pushing for launch? :)
[05:10] <Dan-K2VOL> yes
[05:10] <Dan-K2VOL> want to be ready when cornell is
[05:10] <natrium42> :)
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[05:13] <Dan-K2VOL> natrium42
[05:13] <Dan-K2VOL> check this out, if you haven't seen it
[05:13] <Dan-K2VOL> just recorded this: http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/12659392
[05:14] <natrium42> ah, very cool
[05:14] <natrium42> is it reliable?
[05:14] <Dan-K2VOL> the circuit and wire arrangement is what UTARC has used for dozens of flights,
[05:14] <Dan-K2VOL> carl lyster built the board,
[05:14] <Dan-K2VOL> WA4ADG who build all the SNOX hardware
[05:15] <Dan-K2VOL> but we mounted it in the horizontal position with both ends exiting this time for the first time
[05:15] <Dan-K2VOL> used to just be used to terminate latex flights
[05:15] <natrium42> will it work as well at low pressure?
[05:15] <natrium42> heat transfer is worse
[05:15] <Dan-K2VOL> yes, been used many times in flight
[05:15] <natrium42> but then again less is lost
[05:15] <natrium42> ah
[05:15] <natrium42> ok
[05:16] <Dan-K2VOL> the UX-# and Icarus missions from knoxville
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[07:38] <Darkside> bah
[07:41] Nick change: Sophielol -> TraumaPony
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[08:20] <Dan-K2VOL1> bah indeed
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[08:42] <Darkside> hey juxta|console
[08:51] <juxta|console> hey Darkside
[08:51] <Darkside> hey
[08:51] <Darkside> you can have this laptop as the server for chris's place
[08:51] <Darkside> 2GHz Pentium M, 1GB ram
[08:51] <Darkside> should slip into his server cabinet nicely
[08:52] <Darkside> and will be fine for running dl-fldigi and associated stuff, i've done it before many times
[08:52] <juxta|console> oh thanks
[08:52] <Darkside> also its run with the lid closed for weeks on end before
[08:52] <Darkside> so it should be fine sitting in a server cabinet with the lid closed
[08:53] <juxta|console> hold out for now though, I have a couple of ideas & probably have some crappier hardware I can sacrifice ;p
[08:53] <Darkside> haha
[08:53] <Darkside> srsly, i don't need this laptop
[08:53] <Darkside> i bought the macbook to replace it
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[10:06] <griffonbot> @pixelseventy2: #ukhas soak test results. Definitely still transmitting after 6.5hrs when I turned PC & radio off. Batteries died after 18 hours per SD log [http://twitter.com/pixelseventy2/status/36727824865828864]
[10:10] <jonsowman> should I stop it following #ukhas ?
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[10:11] <jonsowman> haha
[10:11] <jonsowman> wrong channel...
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[10:57] <fsphil> aww, ARISSat-1 launch has been put back to July
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[13:06] <Laurenceb_> http://www.spookylake.com/images/Coffin_Car/Coffin_Car004_small.jpg
[13:06] <Laurenceb_> looks like the bloodhound ssc is finished
[13:13] <SpeedEvil> :/
[13:29] <Laurenceb_> http://www.chipworks.com/en/technical-competitive-analysis/resources/recent-teardowns/2010/06/silicon-teardown-of-the-apple-iphone-4-smart-phone/
[13:29] <Laurenceb_> interesting
[13:30] <Laurenceb_> using the L3G4200D gyro from ST.. so it does exist
[13:30] <Laurenceb_> that main board is insanely dense
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[13:38] <Laurenceb_> http://www.chipworks.com/uploadedimages/Technical_Competitive_Analysis/Teardowns/iPhone4/gyroscope_branded-s.jpg
[13:38] <Laurenceb_> seems to be just a single mass there
[13:38] <Laurenceb_> and they work out 3 rotation components from it
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[14:34] <MrCraig> so data gets from my mcu to my pc just fine, and I can see the signal on the rx as I type on the keyboard, but the max232 isn't then outputting the recieved characters on pin 12 as expected. Anyone familiar with this chip and the kinds of things that upset it?
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[14:46] <NigelMoby> Afternoon
[14:48] <MrCraig> *nods
[14:48] <fsphil> wiring it backwards? :)
[14:49] <fsphil> <-- guilty of that
[14:49] <NigelMoby> Any smoke? :p
[14:51] <MrCraig> I don't think so, I've checked the pins several times. Reading up, I may be using the wrong capacitors. The schematic I followed was for a max232 so pinouts look the same, but this chip is a max3232cpe variation - the datasheet (if I now have the right one) seems to indicate I'm using the wrong caps... making it fortunate that it works in just one direction. o.O
[14:53] <MrCraig> one problem though, is that download links state the correct chip, but the document it's self is a datasheet covering 4 varients and mine isn't among them
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[14:55] <staylo> You don't need a pull-up or pull-down resistor on the line do you?
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[14:55] <jcoxon> Afternoon
[14:56] <MrCraig> I may - some of the varients do and others don't - I'll try something between 3k and 7k
[14:56] <MrCraig> afternoon jcoxon
[14:56] <jcoxon> Did they launch yesterday from ears?
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[18:13] <fsphil> Inside the Copenhagen Suborbitals sub: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZX6BHMAf4w
[18:13] <fsphil> I want! ;)
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[18:33] <jcoxon> Evening
[18:41] <NigeyS> evening James
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[18:52] <jcoxon> Hey nigeys
[18:52] <jcoxon> How's the payload?
[18:53] <jgrahamc> Evening all.
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[18:55] <NigeyS> jcoxon, coming on ok, i almost have the sensor board finished
[18:55] <NigeyS> evening jgrahamc :)
[18:55] <jcoxon> Excellent
[18:55] <jgrahamc> Working away nigeys?
[18:55] <NigeyS> have misplaced a temp sensor somewhere though :/
[18:55] <jcoxon> They are tiny
[18:55] <NigeyS> jgrahamc, sure am
[18:56] <NigeyS> super tiny, and super fragile, hope its not fallen on the carpet and got loaded with static!
[18:56] <jgrahamc> What's really tiny is the goddan Lassen IQ connector.
[18:56] <jcoxon> You still using my board or broken it?
[18:56] <NigeyS> haha yush! i cheated and had james solder mine!
[18:57] <NigeyS> jcoxon, atlas is def DOA :(
[18:57] <NigeyS> i can send it up to you if you want to try some CPR ?
[18:57] <jcoxon> Yup
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[18:57] <NigeyS> okies, pop it in post tomorrow, rather it get used if its recoverable.
[18:58] <NigeyS> spaghetti junction James? http://www.signaturepadstore.com/01.jpg
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[19:00] <jcoxon> Haha
[19:00] <NigeyS> it works well mind!
[19:00] <jcoxon> Good good
[19:00] <NigeyS> and i only blew 2 leds in total
[19:01] <jgrahamc> I managed to connect a DS1821 up backwards for about 5 minutes. Smelt the heat. It survived.
[19:01] <NigeyS> ouch, they get nastily hot to!
[19:01] <jcoxon> They do get hot
[19:02] <NigeyS> anyone hear anything about the launch yesterday from california?
[19:03] <jcoxon> Their aprs struggled a bit
[19:03] <NigeyS> yup, lost track of it after 100k FT :(
[19:03] <jcoxon> That's what I read on the gpsl mailing list
[19:03] <NigeyS> aprs doesnt seem to reliable
[19:04] <jcoxon> Oh the opposite
[19:04] <jcoxon> It's incredibly reliable
[19:04] <NigeyS> really? seems to be alot of huge random gaps in data from it
[19:05] <jcoxon> That launch, considering there are groups in the states that have recover 100 out of 100 payloads
[19:06] <NigeyS> oh
[19:06] <NigeyS> are you doing another pico anytime soon ?
[19:07] <jcoxon> They use more tx power and being on 2m helps
[19:07] <jcoxon> No, probable do some atlas
[19:08] <NigeyS> oh, well as im focusing on ATS-1 i can't use this locosys gps, was going to see if you wanted to try it out on a pico flight
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[19:08] <NigeyS> shame its 18k limited, its much better than the lassen, for both power and sensitivity
[19:09] <jcoxon> Hehe, you should hold on to things, you'll never know when it'll come on useful
[19:09] <NigeyS> true, i just one of these people that doesnt like seeing things not get used for ages
[19:09] <jcoxon> You'll find a project for it
[19:10] <NigeyS> hopefully!
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[19:11] <NigeyS> speaking of projects, how's HABDuino sound? :p
[19:12] <jcoxon> Makes it a bit easy :)
[19:13] <jcoxon> I'm a strong supporter of people having to build stuff, means they understand the code/electronics
[19:13] <NigeyS> oh i wouldnt make it that easy :p
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[19:33] <Zuph> stupid balloons
[19:33] <NigeyS> lol hey Zuph
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[19:35] <Zuph> Happy Sunday
[19:36] <fsphil> I'd so many things to get finished this weekend, not sure I actually got anything done :)
[19:37] <Zuph> I feel the same way.
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[19:40] <fsphil> are there many things yet to be done Zuph?
[19:40] <Zuph> To damn many for me and Dan-K2VOL to get done alone: https://www.pivotaltracker.com/projects/226687
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[19:44] <MrCraig> working on a breakout board for the trimble - I can't make out the orientation, which is pin 1?
[19:45] <MrCraig> the cable makes it harder still, what I'd expect to be pin 1 is actually pin 2 :-(
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[20:39] <natrium42> o/
[20:39] <fsphil> mosfets driving a motor will need a protection diode yea?
[20:40] <Zuph> Depends on how much you like your mosfets.
[20:40] <fsphil> lol
[20:40] <fsphil> very much
[20:41] <fsphil> they're my fav
[20:41] <Zuph> Protection diodes certainly can't hurt, then.
[20:41] <fsphil> thought so -- don't have any, will have to wait
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[20:55] <fsphil> right, the motor is basically an inductor. it will generate current
[20:56] <fsphil> well, not generate -- release stored energy
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[21:18] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[22:44] <Dan-K2VOL-2> hey all
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[22:44] <Dan-K2VOL-2> what's the URL for the SpaceNearus raw data on robert harrison's site?
[22:44] <fsphil> http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/view.php
[22:46] <fsphil> just watched your cut-down video, that's really nifty
[22:53] <MrCraig> thanks for helps today - night night all
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[22:54] <Dan-K2VOL-2> thanks fsphil! we're setting up the mission control Knoppix liveCDs now :-)
[22:54] <fsphil> good idea
[22:54] <Lunar_Lander> hello Dan-K2VOL :)
[22:56] <Dan-K2VOL-2> Hi Lunar_Lander
[22:58] <Lunar_Lander> could you please give me the e-mail address of the cutdown engineer once more?
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[23:23] <Lunar_Lander> hello natrium42
[23:26] <Dan-K2VOL> Lunar_Lander the email is ctlyster@comcast.net Carl Lyster
[23:26] <Lunar_Lander> thank you
[23:26] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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