highaltitude.log.20110211

[00:10] <fsphil> my 5v vreg is putting out 4v.. someone stole my volt!
[00:10] <Zuph> Volt gnomes...
[00:11] <fsphil> ohm gnome
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[00:14] <stilldavid> ohm nom nom.
[00:20] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: how many volts are you putting in, and amps taking out?
[00:21] <fsphil> yea just realised I was only putting in 6v :)
[00:24] <fsphil> 5.1v .. much better
[00:25] <fsphil> take that gnomes!
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[07:24] <griffonbot> Received email: James Coxon <jacoxon@gmail.com> "[UKHAS] Fwd: DominoEX decoding from high altitude balloons"
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[10:16] <juxta> ping Darkside
[10:35] <earthshine> morning
[11:02] <fsphil> well, there goes the N900 series: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12427680
[11:09] <SpeedEvil> :/
[11:09] <SpeedEvil> There wil apparantly be another meego device - but that's it.
[11:15] <Darkside> wait
[11:15] <Darkside> WHAT
[11:15] <Darkside> fuuuuuuuuuck no
[11:15] <Darkside> no no no non o
[11:15] <fsphil> yep :(
[11:15] <staylo> 'Nokia adopts a Microsoft mobile OS, job losses inevitable' <- All too true.
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[11:18] <Darkside> i have a n900 as well as my android phone
[11:20] <perseus> poor Nokia, going down a hole that will lead to their doom.
[11:20] <fsphil> yea
[11:21] <fsphil> shame, been using a nokia since my very first mobile
[11:21] <perseus> hmm, time for a change?
[11:21] <fsphil> definitely
[11:22] <fsphil> the android phones are nice, but they lack all the bits that make linux great
[11:23] <perseus> like a shell?
[11:24] <perseus> I love my andriod phone, although I didn't like the idea of a only touch screen at first
[11:24] <Darkside> perseus: same
[11:25] <perseus> Connectbot works for me to do ssh-stuff
[11:25] <fsphil> thinking more as a developer -- the n900 was a fairly standard linux distro
[11:25] <perseus> and for all the rest, there's an app ;)
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[11:32] <fsphil> guess I could always learn java :)
[11:41] <Laurenceb> ardroid is pretty horrible for lots of stuff
[11:41] <Laurenceb> the way everything is funneled into java
[11:43] <Laurenceb> n900 is still horribly expensive on ebay
[11:48] Action: Laurenceb uses a 6 year old nokia atm
[11:48] <Laurenceb> 18 days battery life ftw
[11:49] <SpeedEvil> My n900 gets ~6 days logged into wifi, and GSM
[11:54] <Laurenceb> not bad at all
[11:55] <Laurenceb> i only ever use sms and voice calls.. so never need a smartphone
[11:55] <Laurenceb> but guess email and tethering would be nice
[11:56] <Laurenceb> need to try the BT hotspot sharing thing out
[11:57] <SpeedEvil> Yeah - OTOH of course - if you use it, you don't get 6 days.
[11:57] <SpeedEvil> With tethering, 6 hours is pushing it.
[11:57] <Laurenceb> :(
[11:58] <SpeedEvil> But then again, if you're tethered normally - and not over wifi - it's not an issue
[11:58] <Laurenceb> was thinking of changing broadband supplier, but the wifi sharing thing bt have come up with seems interesting
[11:58] <Laurenceb> need to try that, but i rarely see BT wifi around
[11:58] <SpeedEvil> Some of the 3G sharers are actually interesting platforms
[11:58] <SpeedEvil> As in can be rooted
[11:59] <Laurenceb> you've got about as much chance of finding unsecured wifi
[11:59] <staylo> The Openzone thing is limited to 50kBps, but otherwise works nicely
[11:59] <Laurenceb> eww
[12:02] <staylo> That's the ones shared through people's home routers, I think the dedicated BT ones aren't as limited
[12:03] <SpeedEvil> It's deeply annoying the wifi standard diddn't push in some sort of micropayment auth
[12:03] <SpeedEvil> So it was standard.
[12:03] <SpeedEvil> And 'just worked'.
[12:03] <SpeedEvil> You could set the amount of credit/K you were willing to spend, and it'd 'just work'
[12:03] <staylo> The Openzone one has username and password sent in plain text via HTTP POST ;)
[12:12] <Darkside> pong juxta
[12:13] Action: Hibby grumbles about not getting RTTY working on arduino
[12:13] <Darkside> >_>
[12:13] <Darkside> works for me
[12:13] <jgrahamc> Hibby: what sort of trouble are you having?
[12:16] <Hibby> Plenty. Currently working it over in my head.
[12:19] <jgrahamc> OK. Well, if you need any help I'll try to assist.
[12:19] <Darkside> there's example code on the ukhas site i think
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[12:25] <Hibby> There we go - got it working
[12:25] <Hibby> was an EX end problem, but some FL-DIGI prodding sorted it.
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[13:01] <fsphil> shiny: http://www.flickr.com/photos/radiokate/4515412087/
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[13:28] <NigeyS> afternoooooon
[13:30] <jgrahamc> Howdy
[13:30] <fsphil> ello
[13:31] <perseus> ola
[13:32] <NigeyS> mynew cable modem is here yey .. shame its taking them so long to activate the dam thing :(
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[14:28] <fsphil> "Bomb alert in York sparked by package" -- yeesh, was worried there for a second :)
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[14:45] <NigeyS|> lol it was hadie!!
[14:49] <Darkside> whaaaat
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[15:16] <fsphil> lovely
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[15:19] <Randomskk> test
[15:20] <fsphil> pass
[15:20] <Randomskk> you think that
[15:20] <Randomskk> but the other 62 users are on another server
[15:20] <Randomskk> for instance I'm looking at jon's irc
[15:20] <fsphil> this is the cool side of the split
[15:20] <Randomskk> you are on his nicklist amusingly
[15:20] <Randomskk> I am not
[15:20] <Randomskk> but he can't see this
[15:20] <Randomskk> and no one is talking there
[15:21] <fsphil> odd
[15:21] <Randomskk> so yes, we are the cool side
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[15:30] <Dan-K2VOL> Hmm
[15:30] Action: jonsowman rolls eyes
[15:31] <NigeyS|> good ol' netsplits
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[15:31] <Dan-K2VOL> I haven't used IRC enough to see one of those in about 15 years
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[15:31] <jonsowman> s/IRC/Freenode/
[15:31] <NigeyS|> lol, i remember how bad efnet was for 'splits years ago .. shockingly bad!
[15:31] <NigeyS|> afternoon jonsowman
[15:32] <jonsowman> hi NigeyS|
[15:32] <fsphil> was dalnet for me
[15:32] <fsphil> they where horrible
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[15:32] <NigeyS|> undernet was fun to
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[16:19] <Dan-K2VOL> Hey all, we've starte using PivotalTracker.com to keep track of our project to-dos, we just started, you can voyeur if you want at: https://www.pivotaltracker.com/projects/226687
[16:20] <Dan-K2VOL> It's very quick to jump into, and free
[16:20] <Dan-K2VOL> hopefully we'll keep on updating it, projects of this size are really tough to keep track of all the loose ends
[16:20] <Randomskk_> pivotal is great
[16:21] <Randomskk_> be sure to really use it to best advantage, its charts and releases and points system works really really well if you stick to it
[16:22] <Randomskk_> looks good though
[16:25] <Dan-K2VOL> the charts I'm not so sure how to get to
[16:25] <Randomskk_> under "more"
[16:25] <Randomskk_> "charts"
[16:25] <Dan-K2VOL> k
[16:26] <Randomskk_> release burndown is my favourite but
[16:26] <Randomskk_> iteration burnup can also be useful
[16:26] <Dan-K2VOL> I can't tell how the heck it can tell what stories are going toward what release
[16:28] <Randomskk_> order in the backlog
[16:28] <Randomskk_> all stories above a given Release story in the backlog (or current iteration planner) go towards that release
[16:31] <Dan-K2VOL> hmm, so it's not so much for trackign multiple parallel modules completion
[16:31] <Dan-K2VOL> More for marking when they all are done as a group, ready for integration testing
[16:32] <Dan-K2VOL> Thank you Randomskk_ great tip
[16:32] <Randomskk_> multiple parallel modules might be worth having their own tracker for
[16:33] <Randomskk_> it works best in the case where all contirbutors can take any tasks and they are all approximately related
[16:33] <Randomskk_> it does not work so well for multiple concurrent subprojects really
[16:33] <Randomskk_> but yes, if you do use it to track multiple separate modules, the Releases indicate an entire-project release, so all the submodule parts required for that project release
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[16:52] <Dan-K2VOL> Randomskk_ yeah, hmm, we've currently got lots of different modules in the SpeedBall-1 project, looks like for now I'll just change the releases from being module-based to whole project based
[16:59] <Zuph> Dan-K2VOL: When you add so much stuff, it makes it look like we have been lazy :-p
[17:02] <Dan-K2VOL> Hahahaha
[17:03] <Dan-K2VOL> Lol too bad the 700 things we've done so far don't show up :-)
[17:03] <Dan-K2VOL> Randomskk_ suggested that we do each module as a different project
[17:04] <Dan-K2VOL> However, I'm not sure how we then track their unified progress. I suppose as another project? Hmm, just some thoughts, we'll keep as is for now
[17:07] <Zuph> I like keeping it unified. I'm afraid balkanizing tasks will intimidate our volunteers out of using it.
[17:07] <Dan-K2VOL> Yeah, though the charts and release days are not going to ever reflect progress of any particular module
[17:08] <Zuph> I don't think that's an issue. If any module isn't complete, we can't fly anyway.
[17:09] <Dan-K2VOL> true, and using labels we should be able to see all tasks remaining for each module.
[17:15] <Zuph> You can create a search column for all tasks with a given label.
[17:20] <griffonbot> Received email: Davejay <dave.jones@davejay.co.uk> "[UKHAS] Re: Radio receiver - handheld vs 'mobile'?"
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[17:30] <Randomskk_> Dan-K2VOL, Zuph: it certainly works tracking multiple related modules that all need to come together for a project to work, it's one of the ways I'm currently using it
[17:30] <Randomskk_> but we do run into some friction because of the mixing of subprojects which makes it quite hard to order an iteration
[17:31] <Zuph> Randomskk_: I can definitely see how that would be an issue.
[17:31] <Randomskk_> we do use labels to set them into projects
[17:31] <Randomskk_> but pivotal really works best when any team member could usefully pick up any story
[17:32] <Randomskk_> so yea, it's a compromise
[17:32] <Randomskk_> however it has many advantages and does work really well for tracking things
[17:32] <Zuph> We have the additional hassle of trying to wrangle two dozen or more tenuous volunteers to get things done. Any project manager has to be dead simple to use.
[17:32] <Randomskk_> I don't know that multiple pivotal projects per module would work at all, I haven't tried it
[17:32] <Randomskk_> I feel it might not be that great either really
[17:33] <Randomskk_> basically pivotal is a fantastic tool for some uses, but not a perfect project management tool for any project, so it has some issues where you have multiple only-somewhat-related modules
[17:33] <Dan-K2VOL> I like how easy it is to jump into and grab off tasks to start, for volunteers
[17:33] <Randomskk_> yea
[17:34] <Zuph> Say Dan-K2VOL, What's the reasoning behind cryotesting the camera? Just to see if it can survive a cycle, or see if it operates in the cold?
[17:37] <Dan-K2VOL> Both, I forgot to cover it last night, but I think we need to try to get the camera on this one, once the rest is done. If it makes it, it would really be a huge difference in media coverage if there were onboard video of the crash landing on a thatched roof farmhouse in belgium
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[17:38] <Zuph> Well, won't it be well above -40 during any vid cam events?
[17:38] <Dan-K2VOL> and I think SB-1, if the software and balloon hold out, I think has a very high probability of making it
[17:39] <Dan-K2VOL> it could, no reason why not to if it works, it's just commanded from an uplink command, so if we can get video while cruising, and have plenty of space to do so, no reason not to for a few minutes
[17:39] <Zuph> ah
[17:41] <Dan-K2VOL> perhaps as we pass through the NAT Tracks daily wave of planes, see if we can see any :-P
[17:41] <Zuph> heh
[17:41] <Zuph> Dan-K2VOL: Here's a cryochamber! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McKinley_Climatic_Laboratory
[17:46] <Dan-K2VOL> wow indeed zuph
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[17:53] <Zuph> Dan-K2VOL: Although evidently GE has a chamber capable of going from +100c to -50c and back in something like 3 minutes, for testing aging effects on appliances :-p
[17:53] <Dan-K2VOL> holy crap, that will beat the hell out of silicon ICs
[17:53] <Zuph> They want to age an appliance 20 years in just a few days. They also beat it to hell with UV.
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[19:35] <jcoxon> evening all
[19:36] <Dan-K2VOL> eve
[19:37] <NigeyS|> evening jcoxon
[19:37] <jcoxon> Dan-K2VOL, looks to me like the SB-1 vs PBH battle is on!
[19:38] <Dan-K2VOL> ohh really, have they responded?
[19:38] <Dan-K2VOL> hehe but yes, it's a race now
[19:38] <jcoxon> they announced their aprs freqs
[19:39] <jcoxon> and are doing a low alt test soon
[19:39] <Dan-K2VOL> I dearly hope their launch date coincides with our needed jetstream opportunity
[19:39] <Dan-K2VOL> would be awesome to be in the air at the same time, I wonder if we could get on their frequency so we can use all the same listeners
[19:39] <jcoxon> i have a feeling that you'll launch during my holiday :-p
[19:39] <Dan-K2VOL> is that a good thing?
[19:39] <jcoxon> no
[19:39] <jcoxon> i'll be abroad
[19:39] <Dan-K2VOL> oh a travelling one
[19:40] <jcoxon> and with GF so no internet
[19:40] <Dan-K2VOL> I hope not, would hate to leave you out of the fun!
[19:40] <jcoxon> its okay
[19:40] <Dan-K2VOL> have you heard what HF freq they'll be on?
[19:40] <jcoxon> we'll just have to see (18/2/11 - 27/2/11)
[19:40] <jcoxon> not yet
[19:41] <Dan-K2VOL> that'll be a close call jcoxon, we're hoping to be ready to launch by their launch date
[19:41] <Zuph> Heh, well, we're still getting plenty of <36 hour opportunities, Dan
[19:42] <jcoxon> i'll survive :-)
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[19:45] <NigeyS|> meh virgin capping newsgroups again only 38Mbps :(
[19:46] <Zuph> 38Mbps!
[19:46] <fsphil> only :p
[19:46] <Zuph> I wish I had 38Mbps to be capped at!
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[19:48] <fsphil> Is there a plan for recovering SB-1 if it reaches land?
[19:49] <jcoxon> fsphil, i think thats where we come in...
[19:49] <Dan-K2VOL> yes, could you please pop out and pick that up for us?
[19:49] <Dan-K2VOL> :-P
[19:49] <Zuph> Dan-K2VOL: We still need to make our Voyager Plaque
[19:50] <fsphil> if it lands within driving distance of cookstown I'll definitely head out :)
[19:50] <Dan-K2VOL> yes, another thing that I thought the whole groups would jump all over, but will likely be on the dan/brad list of things no one else will do
[19:50] <Zuph> hah
[19:50] <Zuph> Dan-K2VOL: hear hear
[19:50] <Dan-K2VOL> I would love to do that in great detail, but so much else remains of greater importance
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[19:50] <Dan-K2VOL> fsphil, don't they have a road under the channel yet? :-P
[19:51] <fsphil> Cookstown is in n.ireland ;-)
[19:51] <jcoxon> Dan-K2VOL, he'd still need to get over to england :-p
[19:52] <Dan-K2VOL> ugh sorry, I forgot they aren't all bridged
[19:52] <jcoxon> Dan-K2VOL, i'll pick it up from Africa for you
[19:52] <NigeyS|> lol phil, 38mbps is pitiful, we're on a 50mb plan !
[19:53] <Zuph> Local ISP just let me know they would let me purchase their new 50mb plan for the low price of $90/mo.
[19:53] <jcoxon> NigeyS|, i find virgin very very variable
[19:54] <NigeyS|> thats round about what we pay for ours
[19:54] Action: SpeedEvil Is having another round of discussions with my ISP, to try to get them to fix my DSL.
[19:54] <NigeyS|> jcoxon, same here, can have good evenings where its ok, others, its slow as hell :(
[19:54] <jcoxon> Dan-K2VOL, bill has got onto the author of FLdigi to improve dominoEX decoding
[19:55] <Zuph> haha
[19:56] <Zuph> That's persistence!
[19:56] <jcoxon> well he said he'd have a look
[19:56] <jcoxon> apparently the decoder doesn't use AFC but overlapping FFTs
[19:56] <jcoxon> so might do better with AFC
[19:58] <gb73d> err the baloon finally went up in egypt today !
[19:58] <SpeedEvil> Is it on the tracker?
[19:58] <fsphil> does the dominoex do any AFC?
[19:58] <jcoxon> fsphil, i don't think so
[19:59] <jcoxon> its a little beyond me
[20:00] <Zuph> I think I might have taken on the most difficult task in SB-1: https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/9903789
[20:00] <jcoxon> tough one Zuph
[20:12] <mattltm> Crap. I should be banned from ebay :(
[20:16] Action: mattltm must stop bidding on things just because he feels like it
[20:23] Action: SpeedEvil knows that feeling.
[20:23] <SpeedEvil> What did you manage to not restrain yourself from?
[20:23] <mattltm> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250769575375&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
[20:24] <fsphil> nice
[20:24] <SpeedEvil> That's not _too_ bad.
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[20:24] <SpeedEvil> As long as you can collect easily.
[20:24] <mattltm> Not a bad buy when you take into account the mast.
[20:25] <mattltm> About a 30min drive me
[20:25] <mattltm> Anyone want a no name triband?
[20:25] <mattltm> 6M, 2M and 70cm.
[20:26] <mattltm> I'm going to have to thin out my collection once the other half ses this!
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[20:32] <RocketBoy> there is a launch from EARS tomorrow - about 10AM - Bello-Mondo3 on 434.525MHz
[20:32] <mattltm> Cool
[20:33] <Dan-K2VOL> darn those spanish, they get all the cool balloon words
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[20:35] <jcoxon> RocketBoy, for spacenear.us?
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[20:47] <Laurenceb_> http://www.repairfaq.org/
[20:47] <Laurenceb_> ^very useful
[20:48] <SpeedEvil> indeed
[20:48] <Dan-K2VOL> haha quite 1995
[20:48] <Dan-K2VOL> I think I could load that page with NCSA Mosaic
[20:48] <SpeedEvil> I regulatrlry point people at the TV and microwave repair guides.
[20:48] <SpeedEvil> The small engine one is good tooo
[20:48] <Dan-K2VOL> nice
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[20:54] <staylo> wot no <marquee> ?
[20:54] <Dan-K2VOL> heh
[20:55] <RocketBoy> jcoxon: I don't have any more details for tomorrow - just have to take it as it comes
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[21:02] <Laurenceb_> the laser section is particularly good
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[21:03] <Dan-K2VOL> what's the PBH twitter these days
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[21:12] <sbasuita> Dan-K2VOL: http://twitter.com/PBH5 ?
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[21:40] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[21:40] <Lunar_Lander> hello Dan-K2VOL
[21:40] <Lunar_Lander> how was testing?
[21:46] <Dan-K2VOL> hey Lunar_Lander
[21:46] <Dan-K2VOL> fast and furious
[21:47] <Dan-K2VOL> lots of little bugs found, most fixed now, going to re-cryo tomorrow morning to retest the fixes.
[21:47] <Dan-K2VOL> just a 12 hour test
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[21:47] <Lunar_Lander> that sounds good
[21:48] <Lunar_Lander> I showed a friend of mine the video of the first payload activation
[21:48] <Lunar_Lander> he was "shocked" that the video suddenly ended
[21:48] <Lunar_Lander> will you post a video of the test itself?
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[21:57] <Dan-K2VOL> lol Lunar_Lander the test consists of that insulated box sitting there for 72 hours
[21:58] <Dan-K2VOL> and us pecking away at laptops now and then
[21:58] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:58] <Lunar_Lander> I think
[21:58] <Lunar_Lander> if you had a webcam there that would have made a pic every minute
[21:58] <Lunar_Lander> someone surely would have made a "Balloon Test Time Lapse Webcam" video
[21:58] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:59] <Dan-K2VOL> ah yes, you can see on Ustream the archived videos http://ustre.am/oIad
[21:59] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[21:59] <Dan-K2VOL> good idea, come on over this weekend at 9AM local to set up for it
[21:59] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:59] <Dan-K2VOL> :-)
[21:59] <Lunar_Lander> what flight is good :P?
[22:00] <Dan-K2VOL> oh, take the concorde, don't want to be late
[22:00] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[22:00] <Dan-K2VOL> :-P
[22:00] <Dan-K2VOL> gtg from work to the hackerspace, brb
[22:00] <Lunar_Lander> IIRC there was a documentary on Discovery once
[22:00] <Lunar_Lander> about a submerged transatlantic train
[22:00] <Lunar_Lander> that would be cool to have
[22:00] <Dan-K2VOL> sure would, wouldn't even have to stop for water
[22:00] <Dan-K2VOL> :-P
[22:00] <Lunar_Lander> xD yeah
[22:01] <Lunar_Lander> ok see you then :)
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[22:47] <Laurenceb_> couldnt you have a semi submerged train tunnel
[22:47] <Laurenceb_> just 100m down or so to avoid waves
[22:47] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:48] <Lunar_Lander> but then you'd need struts all the way to the bottom
[22:48] <Laurenceb_> interesting idea
[22:48] <Lunar_Lander> I think
[22:48] <Laurenceb_> maybe not
[22:48] <Laurenceb_> floats and stiff tube
[22:48] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:48] <Laurenceb_> so waves down effect it
[22:48] <Lunar_Lander> and it simplifies it
[22:48] <Lunar_Lander> a lot
[22:48] <Lunar_Lander> if you see the pressure at -100 m
[22:48] <Lunar_Lander> compared to the ocean floor
[22:49] <Laurenceb_> of course if it sinks you're very dead
[22:49] <Lunar_Lander> true
[22:50] <Laurenceb_> skytrack is interesting as well
[22:50] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
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[22:50] <Lunar_Lander> and maybe the magnetic levitation train could be resurrected
[22:50] <Laurenceb_> the tunnel could get expensive
[22:50] <Lunar_Lander> the "Transrapid" I mean
[22:50] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:50] <Laurenceb_> maybe above ground would be easier
[22:50] <Lunar_Lander> I think so too
[22:51] <Laurenceb_> like a load of floating oil rigs with bridges
[22:51] <Lunar_Lander> and if you would really have a train going 500 kph
[22:51] <Lunar_Lander> you'd cross the atlantic in about 11 hours
[22:51] <Lunar_Lander> that isn't really much
[22:51] <Laurenceb_> theres some ideas to extends the trans siberian up to the bearing straights
[22:51] <Lunar_Lander> and to Alaska?
[22:52] <Laurenceb_> yes
[22:52] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[22:52] <Laurenceb_> http://englishrussia.com/images/trains2/1.jpg
[22:52] <Laurenceb_> of course thats what would happen in reality
[22:54] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[22:55] <Laurenceb_> bbc coverage of egypt is funny
[22:55] <Laurenceb_> they have women in every shot, but the coud is <1% female
[22:55] <Laurenceb_> *croud
[22:55] <Laurenceb_> *crowd
[22:56] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:56] <Lunar_Lander> like Charlie brooker showed it when they covered the McCann (?) case
[22:57] <Lunar_Lander> only the door of the police building where they were interrogated
[22:57] <Lunar_Lander> for hours
[22:57] <Lunar_Lander> on every news channel
[22:57] <Laurenceb_> lol
[22:57] <Laurenceb_> http://englishrussia.com/images/personal-railway/1.jpg
[22:57] <Laurenceb_> ^ thats what the UK high speed rail system would look like
[22:58] <Lunar_Lander> LOL
[22:58] <Tvilling> Awesome!
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[23:17] <natrium42> Lunar_Lander: why was the polish airforce grounded?
[23:17] <Lunar_Lander> I don't know
[23:17] <natrium42> the pilot got sick
[23:17] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[23:36] <NigeyS|> evening again james
[23:37] <jcoxon> evening
[23:37] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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