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[00:17] <natrium42> nice linux computer --> http://tinyurl.com/488fkrm
[00:17] <natrium42> $50
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[09:54] <NigelMoby> Morning minions
[09:55] <jgrahamc> Good morning.
[09:56] <NigelMoby> How are you Jgrahamc?
[09:56] <jgrahamc> I am well. At work and pretending to be working.
[09:56] <NigelMoby> Hehe that's the
[09:57] <fsphil> Excellent
[09:57] <NigelMoby> Way
[09:57] <NigelMoby> Oioi Phil
[09:57] <fsphil> mornin'
[10:01] <NigelMoby> 1 more day of shitty Orange b'band
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[10:12] <fsphil> what's oranges prices like? O2 is pretty expensive for net access
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[10:14] <NigelMoby> Well cause I've got my mobile with them they do the 3g dangle for 5quid month instead of 10, but only get 1gig xfer
[10:15] <fsphil> yea the caps are pretty heavy on all the mobile ops
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[10:15] <NigelMoby> On the whole I guess its ok I don't mind it being slow but the multiple disconnects drive you insane
[10:21] <fsphil> yea, it's pretty regular with the O2 dongle too
[10:21] <fsphil> that's with the normal gsm stuff, not 3g though
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[10:29] <NigeyS> better, only so much typing on a 4" screen i can handle in 1 day! lol
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[11:21] <NigeyS> morning davidjc
[11:21] <NigeyS> morning LazyLeopard !
[11:22] <davidjc> morning NigeyS
[11:24] <LazyLeopard> Howdy
[11:25] Action: LazyLeopard is in a post-Con state of knackeredness...
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[12:27] <Laurenceb> post Con?
[12:27] <Laurenceb> post convervative?
[12:28] <LazyLeopard> Convention
[12:28] <nevyn> convention or conference
[12:28] <Laurenceb> post reading scam emails?
[12:28] <Laurenceb> oh ok
[12:28] <nevyn> which con?
[12:28] <LazyLeopard> Heh ;)
[12:28] Action: nevyn is just getting recovered from LCA
[12:28] <Laurenceb> comic roleplaying convension?
[12:28] <LazyLeopard> The UK filk convention, which this year rejoiced in the name "Cre2c3ndo" ...
[12:29] <LazyLeopard> ...it being the 23rd.
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[12:29] <LazyLeopard> LCA? Now there's an acronym with a variety of meanings... ;)
[12:30] <Darkside> linux.conf.au
[12:30] Action: SpeedEvil imagines lots of people playing fiddles, covered in milk.
[12:31] <LazyLeopard> London College of Accountancy, Legalise Cannabis Alliance, Law Council of Australia, ... ;)
[12:32] <nevyn> ~I used to write a lot of fortran.
[12:32] <SpeedEvil> You got better?
[12:32] <nevyn> ~for science it worked perfectly.
[12:32] <nevyn> ~try using it for graphics
[12:32] <nevyn> ~write in C
[12:32] <LazyLeopard> First computer language I ever used, FORTRAN...
[12:32] <nevyn> with appols to the beetles
[12:33] <fsphil> you poor souls
[12:33] <nevyn> scans to "let it be"
[12:33] <nevyn> poppyfields.net ftw
[12:34] <Laurenceb> eek fortran
[12:35] <Laurenceb> 77 EEK FORTRAN
[12:36] <LazyLeopard> IV in my case...
[12:36] <fsphil> I learned C64 basic, which was pretty horrible
[12:36] <nevyn> peek & poke ftw
[12:36] <LazyLeopard> I learned MICROSOFT BASIC, which was even worse!
[12:37] <nevyn> C64 basic was microsoft basic
[12:37] <LazyLeopard> (Came on an 8K ROM, and had bugs in it.)
[12:37] <fsphil> yea, ms made it
[12:37] <nevyn> MS got their start producing basic interpreters for all those 80's 8bits
[12:37] <fsphil> no commands to do graphics or sound at all, anything other than text stuff had to be done through peek and poke'ing memory directly
[12:38] <fsphil> I learned assembly pretty quickly :)
[12:39] <LazyLeopard> Z80 assembler was my third language...
[12:39] <nevyn> 6502 asm isn't the worst thing
[12:39] <nevyn> z80 isn't too ugly.
[12:39] <nevyn> mips is nice and so's power
[12:40] <nevyn> 80386 was even sortof ok (other than the segment/offset horror)
[12:40] <LazyLeopard> IBM Assembler came next.
[12:40] <fsphil> I like the 6502 stuff, nice and simple
[12:40] <nevyn> fsphil: my best friend still writes c64 demo's
[12:40] <fsphil> excellent
[12:40] <fsphil> I've seen some good ones
[12:41] <fsphil> I got a C64 again now, going to try doing an 80 byte demo :)
[12:41] <nevyn> fsphil: like he won a recent comp for doing like 3d dots
[12:41] <nevyn> and he did like the first full screen inteference patern (including all 4 borders)
[12:41] <fsphil> ooh I think I seen that one
[12:42] <nevyn> he's done a couple of firsts..
[12:42] <nevyn> streaming video from a 1541
[12:43] <fsphil> I'll not be doing any firsts :) but it's fun relearning all this stuff
[12:45] <fsphil> Neatest thing I ever did was load a tape via the radio
[12:47] <fsphil> made a 1-bit audio sampler too, though that ultimately destroyed the c64 :)
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[13:07] <NigeyS> and so begins the multiple disconnects oh yey
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[13:13] <fsphil> eek
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[13:17] <fsphil> no handy open wifi nearby? :)
[13:18] <NigeyS> i wish lol
[13:18] <fsphil> there used to be a couple about here but they've got their act together now
[13:19] <NigeyS> hehe people are to security concious nowadays ;)
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[13:29] <jgrahamc> You could always run aircrack and break their WiFi security. Although that would be a bit naughty.
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[13:36] <SpeedEvil> Or you could run directed attacks against their router to get thier password.
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[13:37] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stnJiPBIM6o related video is related
[13:56] <fsphil> cute
[13:57] <Laurenceb> Fritzles relations are related
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[14:06] <m1x10> Hello
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[14:23] <Laurenceb> http://images.spaceref.com/news/2011/liberty.name.jpg <-lol
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[14:42] <griffonbot> Received email: SebSahlin <seb.sailorboy@gmail.com> "[UKHAS] Re: Radio receiver - handheld vs 'mobile'?"
[14:45] <davidjc> Is anyone on that belongs to EARS?
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[18:21] <fsphil> Ping timeouts are the theme for today then :)
[18:23] <fsphil> yikes, FT790R-II + amp has got to £205 on ebay
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[18:36] Nick change: laurence_ -> Laurenceb_
[18:36] <Laurenceb_> think my filters are broken
[18:36] <Laurenceb_> adsl cuts out whenever i make a call
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[18:38] <SpeedEvil> That'll do it.
[18:38] <SpeedEvil> Also what can do it is silly phones spewing crap into the line at xMHz when you make a call.
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[18:40] Action: SpeedEvil sighs.
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[18:42] <SpeedEvil> Also awaiting DSL fix.
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[18:45] <Upu> Laurenceb or it can be the card at the exchange
[18:45] <Upu> BT never fixed mine
[18:45] <Upu> until I got fibre
[18:45] Action: SpeedEvil thinks there is a local interferer.
[18:45] <Upu> but change filters/faceplate first
[18:45] <SpeedEvil> My DSL dies at 11pm-1AM for 1 hour or so.
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[20:01] <mattltm> Hey all :0
[20:02] <fsphil> lo lo :)
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[20:05] <davidjc> Are there any other existing launch sites in the UK , apart from churchill and EARS?
[20:05] <mattltm> fsphil: You any good with arduinos?
[20:07] <fsphil> I've used a few AVRs, not so much arduinos
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[20:09] <mattltm> I've hacked apart an old bluetooth GPS with the aim of using it for a ground station gps.
[20:09] <mattltm> Its got some pin outs marked on it...
[20:10] <mattltm> In one set there is GND, BTX BRX and BVDD
[20:10] <fsphil> sounds like a serial port
[20:10] <mattltm> Im guessing that is the bluetooth side of thigs...
[20:11] <mattltm> An in another group there is VBAT, VBUS, GRX and GTX
[20:11] <mattltm> I would guess thet GRX and GTX are the GPS pins.
[20:11] <fsphil> what are they connected to?
[20:12] <mattltm> Cant see:(
[20:12] <mattltm> They disapeer under the bluetooth pcb.
[20:12] <mattltm> I may try and beep them out
[20:13] <fsphil> what voltage is BVDD?
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[20:13] <mattltm> I curently have the GTX connected to pin 0 (UART RX) and GRX connected to pin 1 (UART TX) on the Arduion
[20:15] <mattltm> Running the GPS from its own batt gives 3.0V between BVDD and GND
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[20:16] <fsphil> what voltage does the arduino run at?
[20:16] <mattltm> Running it from USB at the moment.
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[20:17] <mattltm> The ony connections between the 2 at the moment is GRX and GTX.
[20:17] <mattltm> I want to see what data the UART is reciving
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[20:18] <fsphil> if the avr is running at 5v, I'd drop the connection to GRX -- just incase it's not tolerant of the higher voltage
[20:18] <fsphil> and connect GND to the arduino's ground
[20:19] <mattltm> Ok
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[20:22] <mattltm> If the ground is connected to the avr, the code upload fails!
[20:23] <fsphil> are you connecting the GTX to the hardware uart RX pin?
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[20:23] <mattltm> Yup.
[20:24] <fsphil> they're probably interfering with eachother
[20:24] <fsphil> you'll have to disconnect GTX when uploading
[20:24] <mattltm> Im just trying to write a bit of code to print what is comming in from pin 0 to the serial mon but i'm new at this!
[20:24] <mattltm> That way I could see what the GPS is sending, if anything.
[20:25] <Dan-K2VOL> it's a little difficult in my experience to forward serial live like that using arduino
[20:25] <Dan-K2VOL> There are timing delay and buffer issues
[20:26] <mattltm> I wonder if I can jack it into the pc and fire up a serial port monitor?
[20:26] <fsphil> also you'll be using the same serial port for both
[20:26] <Dan-K2VOL> You'be be best off putting a serial converter on the GPS to the PC directly
[20:26] <fsphil> unless you setup a software serial port for the gps
[20:26] <Dan-K2VOL> Or taking in a long string from the GPS and then speweing that long string out to the pc
[20:26] <Dan-K2VOL> You can use NewSoftSerial
[20:26] <mattltm> Software serial sounds like a good start.
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[20:27] <Dan-K2VOL> I'd just input about 1000 characters in a NewSoftSerial port and then regurgitate it out the serial.print to start fiddling
[20:27] <Dan-K2VOL> Newsoft is poorly documented but handy
[20:28] <mattltm> Dan: You feel like giving me a code snippet to do that :)
[20:28] <Dan-K2VOL> I'll whip one up on IRC and you can debug it :-P
[20:28] <mattltm> Ta :)
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[20:29] <Dan-K2VOL> CutdownPassthru4Carl.pde
[20:30] <Dan-K2VOL> Heh probably not the best way to do that
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[20:31] <fsphil> ba-dum ching!
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[20:45] <mattltm> http://pastebin.com/CL5FDt8C
[20:46] <mattltm> I think that should work.
[20:47] <MrCraig> I think I joined mid convo - what chip is that for mattltm?
[20:48] <MrCraig> I just got home from maplin with a max232
[20:48] <mattltm> Arduino + hacked apart bluetooth gps
[20:48] <MrCraig> ahh k :-)
[20:50] <mattltm> At the moment i'm just trying to set up a software serial port and print out the data that the GPS is sending
[20:53] <MrCraig> I'm doing the same thing with pics
[20:53] <mattltm> You have a bluetooth gps?
[20:54] <MrCraig> I've been trying for a little while now but without really having a suitable way of testing, the m232 should adjust the levels onto the pc serial port... and no, the lasseniQ
[20:54] <mattltm> Oh right.
[20:54] <mattltm> I have taken apart a gps mouse and have hooked it up to the arduino
[20:55] <fsphil> hmm, I've build an audio amp kit and have no way of testing it :)
[20:55] <mattltm> Not even sure it is outputting data :)
[20:56] <MrCraig> ahh,, you need a max232 lol
[20:57] <mattltm> Annddddddd..... Its a FAIL :(
[20:57] <MrCraig> I was considering all kinds of junk, like having the chip light up an LED if it hit a particular char, but in the end, pc interface is the way to go.
[20:57] <MrCraig> Fail :-(
[20:57] <MrCraig> no data?
[20:58] <mattltm> Nope.
[20:58] <MrCraig> is it a usb device?
[20:59] <fsphil> you might not have the right baud rate
[20:59] <mattltm> Nope - Bluetooth but I hacked it apart and it has some pinouts marked GTX and GRX
[21:01] <MrCraig> so you're monitoring those pins while using the dev with a pc, or simply hooking up to those pins to control it?
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[21:01] <MrCraig> ( I know not what I'm talking about )
[21:02] <mattltm> Setting up software serial on pins 2 + 3 with the gps TX and RX plugged in. Monitoring via the usb serial on the arduion.
[21:05] <MrCraig> fsphil on baud rate - maybe 9.6k idk :-/
[21:05] <mattltm> tried both 4800 and 9600
[21:05] <fsphil> hmm.. those are the usual
[21:06] <mattltm> I'll take it up the club tomorrow and put it on the scope
[21:08] <mattltm> Or maybe get a Venus GPS to play with.
[21:08] <MrCraig> gonna try wiring this thing up and see if I can do it in half hour - head in schematics.
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[21:25] <jcoxon> evening all
[21:25] <mattltm> Hi :)
[21:25] <jcoxon> looks like PBH ZP has reappeared
[21:26] <natrium42> did they launch?
[21:26] <jcoxon> no
[21:26] <jcoxon> not yet
[21:26] <jcoxon> i think 11 days
[21:26] <natrium42> ah
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[21:29] <fsphil> I'd forgot about them
[21:30] <mattltm> PBH ZP??
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[21:31] <jcoxon> Project Blue Horizon
[21:31] <jcoxon> they are a team of balloonists from a US uni masters degree
[21:31] <jcoxon> but all work for Lockheed
[21:31] <mattltm> Oh
[21:32] <jcoxon> and they work on zero pressure balloons
[21:32] <jcoxon> currently hold the duration record
[21:32] <mattltm> I see
[21:35] <Zuph> jerks
[21:35] <jcoxon> haha
[21:35] <jcoxon> i was waiting for Zuph of Dan-K2VOL to respond
[21:35] <Zuph> :-p
[21:35] <jcoxon> or*
[21:36] <Zuph> If we worked for lockheed martin, I bet we would have flown a balloon by now too :-p
[21:36] <jcoxon> yeah they get quite a bit of support
[21:36] <jcoxon> but they get bogged down with tediousness
[21:36] <Zuph> Yeah
[21:36] <jcoxon> they over engineer
[21:36] <fsphil> and say very little
[21:36] <jcoxon> and right reports about reports about other reports
[21:36] <jcoxon> write
[21:36] <jcoxon> gosh i'm tired
[21:37] <jcoxon> can't even spell
[21:37] <Zuph> To be fair, they're doing it for course credit :-p
[21:37] <jcoxon> indeed
[21:38] <jcoxon> Zuph, you guys are getting there aren't you :-p
[21:38] <jcoxon> won't make us wait too much longer
[21:38] <Zuph> We're damn close, let me tell you!
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[21:38] <Zuph> We've been damn close for a while, too
[21:39] <natrium42> hehe
[21:39] <jcoxon> the season doesn't last too long!
[21:39] <Zuph> Quit reminding us!
[21:39] <jcoxon> hehe
[21:39] <fsphil> no pressure
[21:39] <natrium42> tick tock
[21:39] <jcoxon> haha
[21:39] <jcoxon> fsphil, nice pun...
[21:39] <fsphil> ;)
[21:40] <Zuph> Seriously, if we buckled down, we could be completely ready to fly, everything tested in under a week.
[21:40] <NigeyS> lalala
[21:40] <davidjc> CUSF site says there is a launch tomorrow, anyone know whos launching?
[21:40] <natrium42> you need to get on top of the situation
[21:41] <jkominar> So what's the concensus in the room re: winter launch vs. summer? Calmer winds in general? When's more preferable on average?
[21:41] <fsphil> summer gives more daylight hours for recovery / searching
[21:41] <fsphil> it's also handy being able to feel your fingers :)
[21:42] <NigeyS> we get summer in the U.K? :|
[21:42] <fsphil> lol
[21:42] <fsphil> a few days at most
[21:42] <jcoxon> jkominar, normal launch or ZP launch?
[21:42] <jkominar> normal
[21:42] <jkominar> Kaymont 1500g w/ helium
[21:42] <NigeyS> fsphil, yuhuh, blink and you'll miss the british summer!
[21:42] <jcoxon> i say summer when you are sitting under a nice bit of high pressure
[21:42] <jkominar> maybe it's 1200g actually, the specifics are starting to slip a little
[21:43] <Zuph> NigeyS: Wish I could miss this Kentucky winter :-\
[21:43] <jkominar> We've been like 90% ready to go for months now, but seems like trying to launch in Canadian winter weather is less advantageous that waiting for springtime
[21:43] <NigeyS> ya Zuph it's pretty nasty this year :(
[21:44] <Zuph> -12c this morning :(
[21:44] <NigeyS> eugh!
[21:44] <Zuph> On the upside, Sunday it will be +12c
[21:44] <fsphil> 24c swing?
[21:44] <NigeyS> lol nice swing
[21:44] <Dan-K2VOL> zuph we need to get the damn thing done this weekend and launch at the nearest jet stream to when cornell does
[21:44] <fsphil> you getting any good thunderstorms?
[21:44] <Zuph> Yep. Not uncommon here.
[21:45] <Zuph> fsphil: Not this time around.
[21:45] <jcoxon> Dan-K2VOL, ooooo 2 in the air at once!
[21:45] <jcoxon> i think they are going for manual upload of data
[21:45] <jcoxon> from volunteers
[21:47] <Dan-K2VOL> Yeah that's how they did last time, with their morse code to rockmite
[21:47] <Dan-K2VOL> Hehe wonder if seeing our payload together for the cryo test scared em into action
[21:48] <jcoxon> nah their site was up before that
[21:48] <jcoxon> i've been keeping an eye
[21:49] <jcoxon> Dan-K2VOL, Zuph, is there anything you need do from us on here for your launch?
[21:49] <jcoxon> do -> done*
[21:50] <NigeyS> evening jcoxon
[21:50] <jcoxon> hey NigeyS
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[21:52] <Dan-K2VOL> Jcoxon, for the final checks we'll be checking out the HF transmitter the day before and about 2 hours before launch with local receivers.
[21:52] <Dan-K2VOL> Hopefully bill brown will have the transmitter to us someday soon
[21:53] <jcoxon> Dan-K2VOL, you relying on Bill time? good luck :-p
[21:53] <Dan-K2VOL> hahaha
[21:53] <jcoxon> Dan-K2VOL, oooo i could setup remote dl-fldigi if you want
[21:53] <Dan-K2VOL> Things on his schedule do have rather brownian motion to them :-P
[21:54] <Dan-K2VOL> that would be great, we have dl-fldigi set up on a laptop with an HF HT at the spaceport already for RXing on the launch pad
[21:55] <Dan-K2VOL> DO you mean on our hackerspace rig or another locaiton
[21:55] <jcoxon> i was thinking your hackerspace rig
[21:56] <jcoxon> but by doing that i'd also kick myself into packaging it
[21:58] <Dan-K2VOL> haha, well, the remote thing would be great if you get time.
[21:58] <jcoxon> what os?
[22:00] <natrium42> jkominar: do you have a shed to inflate inside?
[22:01] <Zuph> jcoxon: Windows XP
[22:02] <jcoxon> thanks
[22:02] <jcoxon> that make some time
[22:03] <Zuph> You are tired jcoxon :-p
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[22:04] <jcoxon> yup
[22:06] <NigeyS> jcoxon, where to in your github repo was the code for more than 1 onewire temp sensor?
[22:08] <jkominar> natrium42 Most likely no shed. We're hoping to launch from that abandoned airstrip just north of Goderich, so it'll be outdoors.
[22:09] <natrium42> ah
[22:09] <natrium42> well, i can give you the farmer's contact where we have been launching from
[22:09] <natrium42> he is really nice
[22:09] <natrium42> nd has a shed :P
[22:09] <jkominar> big +
[22:10] <jkominar> does he grow helium too? :)
[22:10] <natrium42> lol
[22:10] <fsphil> I made some hydrogen the other day :)
[22:10] <natrium42> he was telling us that most farmers rent out their land nowadays
[22:10] <natrium42> to big corporations
[22:10] <natrium42> and don't farm themselves
[22:11] <natrium42> fsphil: are you sure it was hydrogen and not methane?
[22:11] <jkominar> oh yeah .. I just left a job of 11 years at a marketing agency in town that had a strong focus on the ag market. It's insane what's happening to the family farm.
[22:11] <jkominar> Big biz is putting them out of business.
[22:11] <fsphil> natrium42, good question -- I don't know
[22:11] <fsphil> I assumed it was H2
[22:11] <fsphil> it was made from tap water
[22:12] Action: natrium42 waits to see how long it takes fsphil to realize what he was implying
[22:12] <fsphil> *woosh*
[22:12] <natrium42> :P
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[22:17] <perseus> wc
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[22:19] <fsphil> even if I make enough H2, not sure how to fill the balloon with it
[22:20] <natrium42> are you doing electrolysis?
[22:20] <fsphil> ye
[22:20] <fsphil> a
[22:20] <natrium42> ah
[22:20] <fsphil> collecting it in a bottle
[22:21] <natrium42> wat --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_production#From_urine
[22:21] <fsphil> lol
[22:21] <fsphil> "332% more energy efficient"
[22:21] <fsphil> 332% more yucky
[22:25] <MrCraig> *bites lip very hard* I just got a data string from my PIC to my PC
[22:25] <Laurenceb_> haha
[22:26] <Laurenceb_> wikpedia ftw
[22:26] <fsphil> excellent
[22:27] <Laurenceb_> soon youll be able to piss on your phone
[22:27] <MrCraig> lol
[22:27] <Laurenceb_> http://uk.farnell.com/invensense/itg-3200/ic-gyro-tri-axis-2000-deg-s/dp/1858279?Ntt=itg-3200
[22:28] <Laurenceb_> grrr get in stock
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[22:28] <MrCraig> I work with a guy who's hiring a new developer - a C.V. just came in for some guy who worked on a software system called Police Investigation Support System - no sh*t, you work out the acronym
[22:29] <natrium42> lol
[22:30] <MrCraig> he's on a phone interview tomorrow - I'm beggin to be in the room when he explains that one
[22:30] <Laurenceb_> lmao
[22:31] <Laurenceb_> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bavnet/2069056919/#/photos/bavnet/2069056919/lightbox/
[22:31] <MrCraig> lol
[22:32] <fsphil> the flickr lightbox kills my machine
[22:32] <MrCraig> what's even funnier is another guy I used to work with runs a pub in willey - not sure if it's the same willey or not, somewhere UK about the midlands.
[22:33] <fsphil> hadie:2 landed near a place called Booze
[22:33] <MrCraig> hmm or at least he did - that was 10 years ago... ouch, probably the first time I've said that.
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[23:11] <MrCraig> http://craigchapman.me.uk/ballooncam/2011/02/back-to-the-drawing-board-max232-and-pic16f627/ <-- 2nd screen shot made me so happy.
[23:14] <MrCraig> and it's time to call it a night - good night #highalt's :)
[23:14] <jcoxon> night!
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