highaltitude.log.20110206

[00:00] <NigeyS> looks like it's natrium42's launch from yesterday, nice landing spot!
[00:00] <jonsowman> yes indeed
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[00:08] <natrium42> yo jonsowman
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[00:24] <Zuph> Good evening HABers!
[00:26] <Zuph> Our balloon payload is starting to look like something that could fly: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bradluyster/5419503679/in/pool-1578126@N22
[00:28] <NigeyS> looking good Zuph !
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[01:12] <NigeyS> oh so quiet
[01:12] <Randomskk> it is like 01.12 UTC
[01:12] <NigeyS> the night is young :)
[01:12] <Randomskk> you don't need to tell me, I'm still here :P
[01:12] <NigeyS> :p been looking for some good pcb connectors for the last 2 hours :/
[01:13] <NigeyS> http://www.rapidonline.com/productinfo.aspx?tier1=Cables+%26+Connectors&tier2=Connectors+-+Multipole&tier3=PCB+Interconnect&tier4=2.54mm+Pitch+crimp+PCB+connectors&moduleno=200055
[01:13] <Randomskk> hah
[01:13] <NigeyS> look fairly sterdy
[01:13] <Randomskk> finding connectors will make you sad
[01:14] <NigeyS> yush! just want to make sure nothing comes unplugged half way up lol
[01:14] <Randomskk> there are many, many connectors, they are all different and have their own advantages and disadvantages, and some are really expensive
[01:14] <Randomskk> solder your wires
[01:14] <Randomskk> won't come unplugged :P
[01:14] <NigeyS> you havent seen my soldering :P
[01:14] <Randomskk> not even joking - consider whether you really need connectors
[01:14] <Randomskk> you'll need to solder the connector to the board either way
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[01:14] <NigeyS> true
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[02:25] <Dan-K2VOL> Problems....
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[02:31] <griffonbot> @LVL1WhiteStar: Will be shortly entering cryo chamber, if the kinks start working out. #arhab. broadcasting live on http://ustre.am/oIad [http://twitter.com/LVL1WhiteStar/status/34076670612738048]
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[04:55] <Dan-K2VOL1> Anyone around?
[04:55] <Darkside> nope
[04:56] <Dan-K2VOL1> k
[04:56] <Dan-K2VOL1> http://fw.lvl1.org:1234/
[04:57] <Darkside> connection reset
[04:57] <Dan-K2VOL1> Eh?
[04:57] <Dan-K2VOL1> Oh reload
[04:57] <Dan-K2VOL1> That means you tried to access it when someone else wass
[04:57] <Dan-K2VOL1> It's a darn microcontroller
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[04:58] <Darkside> oh cool
[04:58] <Darkside> lol
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[04:59] <Dan-K2VOL1> Um don't fiddle with the settings please
[04:59] <Dan-K2VOL1> Forgot to put any password on it
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[04:59] <Darkside> haha
[04:59] <Darkside> -99!
[04:59] <Dan-K2VOL1> you bastard
[05:00] <Dan-K2VOL1> :-P
[05:00] <Darkside> i didnt
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[09:35] <jcoxon> morning all
[09:39] <Upu> morning jcoxon
[09:41] <jcoxon> hey Upu
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[09:43] <Upu> if I launched from my house today I suspect I'd end up over Russian
[09:43] <Upu> its damn windly
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[09:44] <jcoxon> yeah not the best weather
[09:46] <Upu> anyway tescos is calling zzzz
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[10:35] <fsphil> morning!
[10:36] <jonsowman> morning fsphil
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[11:03] <fsphil> stupid router
[11:07] <fsphil> so no launches this weekend?
[11:15] <Laurenceb_> http://photo.net/digital-camera-forum/00CM0R
[11:15] <Laurenceb_> ^interesting
[11:16] <Laurenceb_> bayer filter removed from a cmos sensor with acetone
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[12:06] <davidjc> Is it best to have a plastic window infront of the camera lens or not? Looking at payload builds ive seen a mix of both.
[12:07] <jcoxon> usually suggest not having one
[12:07] <jcoxon> as you risk condensation ruining your images
[12:08] <davidjc> would condensation not just build up on the actual lens if exposed?
[12:08] <jcoxon> my experience is that it doesn't
[12:09] <davidjc> ah right
[12:11] <Laurenceb_> probabyl due to heat from the camera
[12:11] <SpeedEvil> condensation happens if temperature of object is less than the dewpoint
[12:12] <Laurenceb_> ive had that problem with UV filters
[12:12] <Laurenceb_> on my payloads
[12:12] Action: Laurenceb_ is getting a PS3eye camera
[12:12] <SpeedEvil> The problem iwth filters is it's _LOTS_ colder than the inside
[12:12] <Laurenceb_> apparently its syncronous - so the exposures have no jitter
[12:12] <Laurenceb_> yeah
[12:13] <SpeedEvil> link to how to hook it up/
[12:13] <fsphil> a webcam with no rolling shutter? eep!
[12:13] <SpeedEvil> rolling shutters also have no jitter
[12:13] <SpeedEvil> it's just more annoying
[12:14] <Laurenceb_> http://nuigroup.com/forums/viewthread/2953/
[12:14] <SpeedEvil> thanks
[12:14] <Laurenceb_> also i2c is probable on the board
[12:15] <Laurenceb_> and vsync
[12:15] <Laurenceb_> aiui only the windows driver goes beyond 125fps
[12:15] <Laurenceb_> someone claims 187fps with the windows drivers
[12:16] <Laurenceb_> something i noticed - >~850nm is white, so the bayer filter is presumably transparent
[12:16] <Laurenceb_> thats very handy
[12:16] <SpeedEvil> it's usually not quite
[12:17] <SpeedEvil> but in general, that's why shit has IR filters
[12:17] <SpeedEvil> the bayer filters tend to leak lots
[12:17] <Laurenceb_> theres a photo of a CD somewhere, it goes yellow then a slightly bluey white past ~850nm
[12:18] <Laurenceb_> - diffraction off a cd
[12:19] <Laurenceb_> i realised you can use the speckle effect to do a form of laser doppler, so PS3eye + a 900nm laser diode and the galvo might do something promising
[12:19] <Laurenceb_> very simple setup
[12:19] <SpeedEvil> hmm
[12:20] <Laurenceb_> grab Vsync to sync the galvo
[12:20] <SpeedEvil> Now all you need is a way to sell PS3eye + $200 of ebay crap to the MOD for $10k
[12:21] <Laurenceb_> heh
[12:22] <Laurenceb_> http://photo.net/digital-camera-forum/00CM0R
[12:22] <Laurenceb_> ^thats interesitng too
[12:23] <SpeedEvil> Bayer is nasty. :(
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[12:29] <NigelMoby> Meh next doors t.v aerial is in the of my lawn !
[12:29] <NigelMoby> middle*
[12:31] <SpeedEvil> Does it go low enough to do 470?
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[12:31] <SpeedEvil> Or 868?
[12:31] <fsphil> hehe
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[12:46] <fsphil> wonder if a standard tv masthead amp would be enough to boost the 868mhz stuff
[12:49] <Laurenceb_> often they have pretty good bandpass filters
[12:49] <Laurenceb_> cheap stuff might
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[12:49] <SpeedEvil> Cheap stuff is often good at transmitting.
[12:50] <fsphil> connect it backwards?
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[12:50] <fsphil> I tried that once, dvd player -> amp -> yagi .. didn't throw the signal very far
[12:51] <SpeedEvil> http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BPW/is_1_14/ai_n27588593/
[12:51] <SpeedEvil> that
[12:51] <SpeedEvil> How to jam GPS using shitty manufacture
[12:52] <Darkside> we've had similar things happen in australia
[12:52] <Darkside> some masthead amps turn into free-running oscillators
[12:52] <Darkside> that just broadcast wideband noise up and down the band
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[14:04] <Laurenceb_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_array_heterodyne_detection
[14:05] <Laurenceb_> that looks interesting.... if i could understand what its talking about
[14:06] <NigeyS> good luck trying to figure that out :p
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[14:26] <fsphil> oh it's easy, you're basically just reversing the flow of the tacyon emitter
[14:27] <NigeyS> mmmmmk....
[14:30] <staylo> Rekafoobling the energy-motron?
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[14:33] <fsphil> modulating the harmonics, naturally
[14:33] <NigeyS> lol behave!
[14:34] <NigeyS> want a tv aerial phil? they've not come and asked for it back yet lol
[14:35] <fsphil> hehe, nah I've got enough aerials as it is :)
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[14:51] <ejcweb> jonsowman: Hi Jon. Just wondering if we've managed to get hold of some more NTX2s yet?
[14:51] <jonsowman> not as far as I know of ejcweb
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[14:51] <jonsowman> send an email to the CUSF list
[14:51] <jonsowman> Dan is the person to ask
[14:52] <ejcweb> sure.
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[14:54] <Elwell> don't suppose anyone knows if NTX2's are ok for use in .fr (assuming I go with the EU bandplan of 433 Mhz)?
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[15:01] <fsphil> they should be fine
[15:08] <davidjc> what f.stop / shutter speed to you guys recommend? I was thing something like 1/320 f 8
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[15:15] <NigeyS> ello matt
[15:16] <mattltm> Hi :;)
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[15:22] <mattltm> Whats been going on then?
[15:23] <NigeyS> quiet day .. but off to a 2 year olds birthday part soon, fun fun :/
[15:24] <mattltm> Yay!
[15:24] <mattltm> Get me some cake :)
[15:26] <NigeyS> haha will do
[15:28] <NigeyS> bbl :)
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[15:33] <fsphil> we had pancakes today, with loads of sugar
[15:37] <davidjc> Just finished my payload :) and got CDHK working right and also my GMS module. Just need good wind conditions now, next wednesday looks ok ish with CUSF. Wheather i not i actually see the payload ever again is another matter with just a GMS module for recovery.
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[15:39] <davidjc> GSM*
[15:40] <fsphil> your relying on just the gsm?
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[15:44] <davidjc> Yup, mainly due to cost at the moment and also time frame, have to get it launched before the 20th for a compeition entry. Risky loosing the whole thing I know.
[15:46] <fsphil> ah
[15:46] <fsphil> gsm coverage is pretty good
[15:48] <davidjc> Yeah. Ive tested the module pretty well and it has always given back the coordinates, even after spending about 6 hours in a freezer as i forgot about it. But you never know on the day.
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[15:50] <fsphil> haha
[15:50] <fsphil> good test
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[16:38] <mattltm> Is getting the NTX2 to work usualy hard?
[16:39] <Randomskk> no
[16:39] <Randomskk> essentially
[16:39] <mattltm> Crap. Just me then :(
[16:39] <Randomskk> :P what are you stuck on?
[16:40] <mattltm> Im using an Arduino and an ntx2
[16:40] <mattltm> A sketch sent to me by NigelS
[16:41] <mattltm> got what I think look like a 425 carrier shift.
[16:41] <mattltm> Sounds like RTTY
[16:42] <mattltm> sending ....starting....
[16:42] <mattltm> but fldigi just decodes ~FFFFÖFFFF~
[16:42] <jcoxon> click the RV button
[16:42] <jcoxon> bottom right
[16:43] <mattltm> that gives me Óôáòôéîç ®®®®`®®®®
[16:43] <jcoxon> hmmm then it sounds like a timing issue
[16:43] <mattltm> http://www.pegasushabproject.org.uk/wiki/doku.php/ideas:notes?s[]=ntx2
[16:43] <jcoxon> mattltm, hehe you link my own site :-p
[16:43] <mattltm> Also tried this but the output dosen't sound like RTTY
[16:44] <mattltm> lol
[16:44] <fsphil> can you capture a few seconds and upload it?
[16:44] <mattltm> ok. 1 min..
[16:46] <mattltm> http://www.mattltm.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/capture.wav
[16:47] <mattltm> That one is based on NigelS's code
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[16:47] <mattltm> with a 27K resistor in the space line and a 18K + 2k2 in the mark line.
[16:48] <DanielRichman> mattltm: Fldigi -> Modems -> Rtty -> choose 7bit ascii
[16:48] <DanielRichman> you need RV ON
[16:48] <DanielRichman> decodes to ......... Starting ..........
[16:49] <mattltm> Yay!
[16:49] <mattltm> Thought it had to be somthing simple!
[16:50] <mattltm> Thanks guys :)
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[16:51] <DanielRichman> http://i.imgur.com/bmS5f.png
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[16:59] <Elwell> btw - you folks see http://wa8lmf.net/LiveTrack/ today?
[16:59] <Elwell> not as shiny as spacenear.us by any means :-)
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[17:03] <mattltm> Thanks Daniel
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[17:41] <mattltm> Cool. GPS is next then :)
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[18:18] <griffonbot> @LVL1WhiteStar: Finally put SpeedBall-1 payload together for integration testing! cryogenic test going on right now. Youtube: http://j.mp/gf9PVw #arhab [http://twitter.com/LVL1WhiteStar/status/34315019726364672]
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[18:18] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[18:46] <priyesh> names
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[19:11] <NigeyS> do b doo
[19:12] <Laurenceb_> http://peauproductions.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=2
[19:12] <Laurenceb_> ^interesting
[19:13] <NigeyS> cheap to
[19:17] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[19:17] <NigeyS> hi Lunar
[19:18] <Lunar_Lander> how is the life?
[19:18] <NigeyS> not to bad, yourself ?
[19:18] <Lunar_Lander> same here
[19:19] <Lunar_Lander> actually I am almost breaking down laughing
[19:19] <NigeyS> oh?
[19:19] <Lunar_Lander> because I watch the same bit of Charlie Brooker over and over
[19:19] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:19] <davidjc> Do any of you bother with 3rd party liability insurance? If so, where from?
[19:20] <Lunar_Lander> yeah I had been in contact with a club "Amateur Radio for schools"
[19:20] <Lunar_Lander> (this is in Germany)
[19:20] <NigeyS> lol
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[19:20] <Lunar_Lander> and they said: "Well, you could fly with our insurance!"
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[19:20] <Lunar_Lander> they did not answer any e-mail afterwards
[19:20] <NigeyS> davidjc, i dont think mant people bother for a normal HAB launch
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[19:24] <Lunar_Lander> yeah NigeyS
[19:24] <Lunar_Lander> but still worrying a bit
[19:24] <Lunar_Lander> ´the odds are there that it impacts on the motorway
[19:24] <NigeyS> tbh i dont think insurance is really necessary unless your carrying a payload that will cause serious damage to property or person, most of them wont..
[19:25] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:25] <NigeyS> jonsowman ?
[19:25] <Lunar_Lander> and actually
[19:25] <Lunar_Lander> what was the american limit again?
[19:25] <Lunar_Lander> 12 lbs right?
[19:26] <NigeyS> i forget now, but it was quite alot than most would dream to send up
[19:26] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:26] <Lunar_Lander> here flight safety asked me
[19:26] <Lunar_Lander> "How heavy are your balloon and payload combined?"
[19:26] <Lunar_Lander> I said "maximum would be 3.8 kg then"
[19:27] <Lunar_Lander> 1500 balloon plus 300 chute and 2 kg payload max
[19:27] <Lunar_Lander> (payload would probably be lighter)
[19:27] <Lunar_Lander> and then she said: "Oh no problem, there is someone in bavaria who sends up 5 kg"
[19:27] <NigeyS> unless your parachute fails the chances of hitting something or someone with enough force to cause damage are very small
[19:27] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:27] <Lunar_Lander> and the way we mount our chute, failure is unlikely
[19:28] <Elwell> do you always buy 'known makes//designs' of chutes?
[19:28] <Lunar_Lander> with we I mean all the HAB flyers
[19:28] <Lunar_Lander> I bought mine at Spherachutes because someone here suggested them to me
[19:28] <NigeyS> Elwell, there was a post on the mailing list about parachute recommendations last week, might be worth a look at
[19:28] <Lunar_Lander> they also make the chutes HAB ready by sewing in a band into the top hole for attachment
[19:29] <Elwell> ah ok
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[19:29] <NigeyS> http://groups.google.com/group/ukhas/browse_thread/thread/3a5314cbf5bb01d7
[19:33] <Elwell> ah started the top of that thread. got distracted
[19:35] <NigeyS> hehe
[19:36] <Elwell> somone had the cheek to include a flickr link in the middle
[19:36] <NigeyS> lol theyre always distracting!
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[19:37] <NigeyS> hey Zuph !
[19:38] <Zuph> Afternoon, NigeyS
[19:38] <Zuph> The cryo test marches implacably forward!
[19:38] <NigeyS> ah yes, all going well? i did watch the cam for a bit yesterday, busy bees!
[19:39] <Zuph> heh, we're finding lots and lots of bugs!
[19:39] <Zuph> Although I must say, I am surprised at the amount which works correctly!
[19:39] <NigeyS> bugs or undocumented features? ;)
[19:39] <Zuph> Oh, definitely bugs!
[19:40] <NigeyS> yikes, but the fact you found them is good :D
[19:41] <NigeyS> any idea on launch date Zuph or is it "done when its done" kinda timescale ?
[19:41] <Zuph> "Done when it's done" is the timescale, but we're hoping to have everything test by the end of this week!
[19:43] <Zuph> To be fair, this is the first time we've done an integration test on *all* modules at once.
[19:43] <NigeyS> ahh, well thats bound to throw up unexpected results, be worrying if it didnt
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[19:54] <fsphil> hadie:2 launch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFvCQ9kRDDs
[20:00] <NigeyS> nice phil!
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[20:38] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByuHcamy2Z4&feature=related
[20:39] <SpeedEvil> chdk - a full reverse engineering of the whole language.
[20:39] <Dan-K2VOL> Cryo test still going
[20:39] <Dan-K2VOL> Ballast controller failed
[20:39] <NigeyS> noooooo :(
[20:40] <Dan-K2VOL> Oh it's fine, I'm really glad to have it fail on the ground in simulated flight conditions, rather than in the air!
[20:41] <NigeyS> yups, thats the bonus of testing :D .. any idea why it failed ?
[20:41] <Dan-K2VOL> None yet, test still in progress
[20:41] <NigeyS> ahh okies, hopefully its something minor.
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[20:45] <griffonbot> Received email: SebSahlin <seb.sailorboy@gmail.com> "[UKHAS] Radio receiver - handheld vs 'mobile'?"
[20:51] <Dan-K2VOL> NigeyS unfortunately it also locked up the flight computer when it died, so it stopped logging all sensor data from 30 minutes after we left at 3:30am till 2:30 pm today
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[21:07] <NigeyS> ah that kinda sucks! :(
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[21:52] <griffonbot> @Greendrv: RT @LVL1WhiteStar: Finally put SpeedBall-1 payload together for integration testing! cryogenic test going on right now. Youtube: http: ... [http://twitter.com/Greendrv/status/34368935864307712]
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[22:20] <jcoxon> evening
[22:20] Action: jcoxon has man flu
[22:21] <MrCraig> evening jcoxon
[22:21] <fsphil> uh-oh
[22:21] Action: MrCraig hands you a paracetamol
[22:21] <Dan-K2VOL> A paramecium?
[22:21] <jcoxon> MrCraig, thanks
[22:22] <jcoxon> i don't think a paramecium
[22:22] <MrCraig> == tylenol
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[22:23] <MrCraig> paramecium is some kinda bug?
[22:23] <jcoxon> thats what google says
[22:24] <MrCraig> I think only an evolutionary biologist would know that word - suspects Dan-K2VOL of being a Richard Dawkinsist.
[22:24] <jcoxon> i suspect it was auto-complete :-p
[22:25] <Lunar_Lander> it is an amoeba
[22:25] <Lunar_Lander> or so
[22:27] <MrCraig> could have been related to what started the man flu in the first place then
[22:30] <MrCraig> oh cute (got to reading up on paramecium) they apparently have the same maze solving properties as my earliest little robots - if you bump something, back up, turn a bit, and try again - and without a nervous system.
[22:30] <Dan-K2VOL> Haha
[22:30] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[22:30] <MrCraig> now that does sound irreducibly complex.
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[22:41] <natrium42> hi jcoxon
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[22:42] <jcoxon> hey natrium42
[22:42] <jcoxon> recovered the payload?
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[22:43] <natrium42> yeah, was in a field
[22:43] <jcoxon> excellent
[22:43] <natrium42> so, spot2 is verified working
[22:43] <SpeedEvil> :)
[22:44] <jcoxon> no altitude though?
[22:44] <natrium42> but the gps stops reporting at altitude
[22:44] <SpeedEvil> Does spot do altitude?
[22:44] <natrium42> but comes back
[22:44] <SpeedEvil> I diddn't think i did
[22:44] <SpeedEvil> oh
[22:44] <jcoxon> i thought it wasa ublox
[22:44] <natrium42> nah, just lat/lon are sent back
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[22:54] <jonsowman> eroomde: ping
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[22:59] <natrium42> DDoS eroomde
[23:00] <jonsowman> indeed
[23:00] <jonsowman> wonder if that works
[23:00] <griffonbot> Received email: Ed Moore <eam52@cam.ac.uk> "Re: [UKHAS] Radio receiver - handheld vs 'mobile'?"
[23:01] <fsphil> hehe
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[23:01] <NigeyS> :o
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[23:03] <eroomde> yo
[23:03] <eroomde> it works
[23:03] <jonsowman> oh nice
[23:03] <eroomde> how great
[23:03] <eroomde> when someone wants me on irc, my pocket buzzes
[23:03] <jonsowman> haha
[23:03] <eroomde> I don't know if this is a high or a low
[23:04] <eroomde> it's a something
[23:04] Nick change: TheRealJeanLuc_ -> TheRealJeanLuc
[23:05] <natrium42> :D
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[23:12] <NigeyS> natrium42, did you get good video ?
[23:15] <natrium42> yes, video of sunset
[23:16] <natrium42> go pro hd is an awesome cam
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[23:16] <NigeyS> yup, hear alot of good things about them
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[23:34] <Zuph> stupid balloon
[23:35] <NigeyS> uhoh
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