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[00:46] <natrium42> back
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[00:48] <natrium42> balloon landed, going to go retrieve it tomorrow morning
[00:48] <natrium42> SPOT2 worked well
[00:49] <Lunar_Lander> hello natrium42
[00:53] <natrium42> hi
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[03:06] <kyle___> Hey hey hey!
[03:06] <kyle___> Curious as to how much lift I'll want for a moored balloon experement.
[03:06] <kyle___> like 1.3x the weight, 2x, etc?
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[03:31] <SpeedEvil> Depends what you want it for - the more lift, the more it'll try to stay vertical.
[03:31] <SpeedEvil> But the more it will be pushed by winds to some degree
[03:32] <SpeedEvil> With or without guy ropes?
[03:32] <natrium42> ?
[03:34] <kyle___> guy ropes yes.
[03:34] <kyle___> It's a moored thing haha
[03:44] <Lunar_Lander2> yeah but he didn't mean it that way
[03:44] <Lunar_Lander2> he wanted to know if you have just one main theter
[03:44] <Lunar_Lander2> or several lines
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[08:54] <jcoxon> morning all
[08:54] <jcoxon> good work natrium42
[09:12] <griffonbot> Received email: James Coxon <jacoxon@gmail.com> "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Pico Launch 2"
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[09:43] <fsphil> so the sub 2m balloon idea is difficult at best?
[09:43] <jcoxon> its not easy at all
[09:43] <jcoxon> well depends on what you want to acheive
[09:44] <fsphil> true
[09:44] <fsphil> I'm impressed how well the lipo worked
[09:45] <jcoxon> i think my insulation helped
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[09:45] <fsphil> shame the pv panel didn't get a good test
[09:46] <jcoxon> indeed
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[09:48] <fsphil> I'm gonna try making a beacon with the same style -- the lipo and a small solar cell
[09:49] <fsphil> fly it on my next flight
[09:49] <jcoxon> cool
[09:49] <fsphil> bit paranoid about loosing the next one :)
[09:49] <jcoxon> hehe
[09:49] <jcoxon> well if it wasn't for the GPS a long duration beacon would be easy
[09:49] <fsphil> aah I've a cunning plan there, the gps will only be on the main payload
[09:50] <fsphil> there'll be some form of inter-communications
[09:50] <jcoxon> i see
[09:50] <jcoxon> so it lands - grabs the last position
[09:50] <jcoxon> then just tx's it forever
[09:50] <fsphil> exactly
[09:50] <fsphil> the avr power saving + disabling the ntx2, even a small lipo should run for weeks
[09:51] <jcoxon> yup
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[09:51] <fsphil> the alternative is to have a second 3.3v regulator with the EN pin, so the avr can shut down the camera and gps totally
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[09:52] <fsphil> so the main board becomes the beacon
[09:52] <jcoxon> i see
[09:52] <fsphil> not sure if that'd work
[09:54] <mattltm> Hey guys :)
[09:55] <fsphil> morning mattltm !
[09:55] <mattltm> Is there someone called Rob - M0xxx on here?
[09:56] <jcoxon> yeah sometimes
[09:56] <jcoxon> not currently thoug
[09:56] <jcoxon> h
[09:56] <mattltm> Lol. I spoke to his dad last night :)
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[09:56] <fsphil> M0DTS -- epic tracker :)
[09:57] <mattltm> He was trying to recrut me for their RAYNET group
[10:01] <fsphil> RocketBoy, are you still launching this weekend?
[10:04] <RocketBoy> fsphil: nope - I decided to get my head round the theory - then do some balloon testing (volume, burst pressure) then launch
[10:05] <RocketBoy> i expect to launch next we or the one after
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[10:21] <earthshine> morning
[10:21] <mattltm> Hi earthshine
[10:21] <fsphil> I was gonna try for microtransat last year, but discovered I'm actually really bad at building boats :)
[10:22] <jcoxon> hehe
[10:22] <jcoxon> really?
[10:22] <jcoxon> it looks incredibly hard
[10:23] <fsphil> it is :)
[10:23] <fsphil> the programming part alone will be a challange
[10:23] <fsphil> only one boat launched last year, and it basically lost control
[10:23] <jcoxon> i'm wondering if a completely alternative design is required
[10:24] <jcoxon> like wind 'flaps'
[10:24] <mattltm> A tri would work much better than a monohull
[10:24] <fsphil> jon of the project cirrus team suggested I use a kite
[10:24] <jcoxon> 1 on each side of the boat on the deck
[10:24] <fsphil> a kite attached to a helium balloon
[10:25] <jcoxon> flick one up to turn, flick both up to go forward
[10:25] <jcoxon> bad weather just drop them down
[10:25] <fsphil> yep, plus they wouldn't last more than a few days at sea
[10:25] <mattltm> A kite wont get as close to the wind as a sail.
[10:26] <jcoxon> so more like braking fins
[10:26] <mattltm> and exerts much more sideways pull
[10:26] <fsphil> shame it has to be wind powered, using a little jet would be so much easier :)
[10:28] <mattltm> My thoughts are to use a canoe as the main hull and add 2 outriggers.
[10:28] <fsphil> jcoxon, the flap thing would only work if the wind is in the direction you want to go
[10:29] <jcoxon> indeed
[10:29] <mattltm> A mast and sail assembly from a "topper" can be furled by twisting the mast. Nice and easy way to reduce sail area.
[10:30] <fsphil> ooh twisty mast
[10:30] <fsphil> would be a good way to protect the sail in bad weather -- fold it all up
[10:30] <mattltm> turn the mast and slacken off the outhall. simlpes
[10:32] <jcoxon> the other issue is lasting long enough to actually make it
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[10:32] <fsphil> yea, conditions out there can be pretty nasty
[10:32] <fsphil> there's going to be a huge element of luck
[10:32] <jcoxon> yes
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[10:33] <mattltm> A canoe for a hull would be a great start. Nice and watertight.
[10:33] <jcoxon> i spent quite a bit of time researching long duration sea beacons
[10:33] <jcoxon> but not propelled
[10:33] <mattltm> Outriggers to prevent capsize and provide plenty of deckspace for PV
[10:34] <fsphil> a nice big ground plane too, would make an HF beacon a possibility
[10:34] <fsphil> as a backup for the satellite
[10:34] <mattltm> Yup. good idea.
[10:34] <jcoxon> how on model boats do they stop the water getting into the motors?
[10:34] <fsphil> grease
[10:35] <jcoxon> is is just a long prop shaft and grease
[10:35] <fsphil> at least the one I have does
[10:35] <fsphil> I got one of ebay to see if I could convert it
[10:35] <fsphil> ended up cracking the hull. d'oh
[10:36] <mattltm> Yup. a long shaft filled with grease
[10:36] <mattltm> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/15-foot-marine-ply-open-canoe-/280623572611?pt=UK_Sporting_Goods_CanoesKayaks_Rafts_SM&hash=item415677e683
[10:36] <mattltm> Slap on a deck and its good to go :)
[10:36] <fsphil> I was going to use a centrifugal pump to make a small jet powered boat, would be super efficient and should last ages
[10:36] <fsphil> but the rules say wind power only
[10:36] <jcoxon> with our 'expertise' in long range comms we could make a semi-autonomous boat
[10:37] Action: mattltm has been sailing/racing dingies since 1994
[10:37] <fsphil> there was another project before microtransat, to make a linux-powered long range robot boat
[10:38] <fsphil> nautliux I think it was
[10:38] <fsphil> nautilux even
[10:38] <jcoxon> that would be a fun project
[10:39] <fsphil> so forget the sailing, just make a remote control boat our own way?
[10:39] <jcoxon> yeah
[10:39] <fsphil> I'm in!
[10:39] <jcoxon> its a bit off topic
[10:39] <jcoxon> we better make a new channel _p
[10:40] <fsphil> we could start #sealevel
[10:40] <jcoxon> yup
[10:40] <fsphil> the tracker would still work a treat
[10:40] <jcoxon> yup
[10:40] <fsphil> I wonder if a prediction is possible
[10:40] <jcoxon> -> #sealevel
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[12:14] <fsphil> I so need a new router
[12:14] <Darkside> ok i now have a bit of code that sits in between fldigi and out parsing software
[12:14] <jonsowman> fsphil: hehe
[12:14] <Darkside> connects to fldigi's ARQ port, and listens on another port for clients - and is MULTITHREADED
[12:14] <Darkside> so multiple clients can connect!
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[12:27] <shenki> Darkside: what is this for?
[12:27] <shenki> Darkside: btw, i got the python based checksum checker working the other day
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[12:34] <Darkside> shenki: oh cool
[12:34] <Darkside> its so you can have multiple clients getting data from fldigi
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[12:34] <Darkside> fldigi has the ARQ server, which is a TCP server you can connect to, from which fldigi sends out all the data it demodulates
[12:34] <Darkside> i.e. anything you see in the received data screen goes out on this server
[12:35] <Darkside> anyway, that server is not threaded, so only one client can connect
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[12:35] <Darkside> http://slexy.org/view/s2ob56k4jk
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[12:38] <shenki> why do you need more than one client to connect?
[12:38] <Darkside> adrians car
[12:38] <Darkside> so you can run oziplotter on both computers
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[12:38] <Darkside> taking teh fldigi data from the computer in the front
[12:40] <Darkside> this way both computers have access to the balloon data, and can do whatever they want with it
[12:40] <Darkside> you could hook in a logger to it too
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[12:42] <Darkside> grr i wish my R10 cable would arrive already
[12:42] <Darkside> want to play with AFC
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[14:20] <NSS-WB9SBD> Anyone here yet for the California flightZ?
[14:21] <jcoxon> NSS-WB9SBD, aprs?
[14:23] <NigelMoby> Who's launching?
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[14:25] <jcoxon> NigelMoby, CNSP in the states, going for max altitude
[14:25] <jcoxon> 3000g H2 8am PST launch
[14:25] <jcoxon> will be K6RPT-13
[14:25] <jcoxon> so i suspect APRS
[14:28] <NSS-WB9SBD> yup 3000 g balloon H@ gas minimal trackng payload
[14:29] <jcoxon> cool and aprs? or spacenear.us?
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[14:35] <NSS-WB9SBD> Im guessing just regulat aprs. like on aprs.fi
[14:41] <jcoxon> hmmm not in the database :-(
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[14:42] <NigeyS> jcoxon, whats the record alt atm ?
[14:45] <NSS-WB9SBD> datsbase?
[14:45] <jcoxon> NSS-WB9SBD, on aprs.fi
[14:45] <jcoxon> NigeyS, not sure - high :-)
[14:46] <NSS-WB9SBD> http://www.arhab.org/records/records/haltitude.html
[14:46] <DanielRichman> http://ukhas.org.uk/general:uk_records
[14:50] <fsphil> I'll be impressed if they manage it
[14:52] <fsphil> have they launched yet?
[14:57] <NSS-WB9SBD> another hour or so is supposed to happen. has the payload come alive yet? I havent looked recently
[15:03] <NSS-WB9SBD> Just looked and onthing yet on aprs.fi
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[15:09] <NigeyS> jcoxon, has that seeduinho film been damaged at all from the flight or.. ?
[15:09] <jcoxon> NigeyS, hard to tell
[15:10] <jcoxon> its been damaged alot during prototyping
[15:10] <jcoxon> i don't recommend it
[15:10] <NigeyS> yikes, it wouldnt survive a day with my heavy hands :|
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[15:12] <jcoxon> yeah
[15:13] <NigeyS> oh fsphil do you want the wind back that you sent us? its been howling here for 3 days now :( !
[15:13] <fsphil> nooo we just got rid of it :)
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[15:13] <NigeyS> couldve sent it up north! lol .. getting really nasty here today, lots of roof tiles on the pavements :(
[15:14] <fsphil> my sisters tv aerial is backwards
[15:14] <NigeyS> lol yikes, i think a few round here have been totally torn down, next doors is hanging on by 1 bolt !
[15:15] <fsphil> sounds like you got it worse
[15:16] <NigeyS> right on the coast :(
[15:17] <NigeyS> oh did natrium42's launch go ok does anyone know ?
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[15:19] <jcoxon> NigeyS, yeah i think they are collecting it today
[15:20] <NigeyS> ahh good, think it was a hd camera they sent up, should be some nice video!
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[15:23] <NigeyS> hi jgrahamc
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[15:24] <NSS-WB9SBD> I'm back
[15:24] <NigeyS> wb :)
[15:25] <jgrahamc> Hello everyone and NigeyS
[15:25] <Upu> afternoon
[15:25] <NSS-WB9SBD> page froze on me had to re log in.
[15:25] <NigeyS> hey Upu !
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[15:25] <NigeyS> jgrahamc, how's things ?
[15:25] <Upu> just wait till you see what I've rigged up :)
[15:25] <NigeyS> oh eck lol
[15:25] <NSS-WB9SBD> Just hangin' waitin' for da balloon.
[15:26] <jgrahamc> OK. Did some mechanical work on GAGA-1 this morning.http://blog.jgc.org/2011/02/gaga-1-voiding-warranty-for-great.html
[15:26] <Upu> in the words of my wife I've just turned a garden cane into a "pink space probe"
[15:26] <jgrahamc> You feeling better?
[15:26] <NigeyS> lol Upu
[15:26] <NigeyS> jgrahamc, no more flu! :D
[15:26] <KJ6HVP> is there video of the launch?
[15:26] <fsphil> pink space probe? not sure I like the way this is going ;)
[15:26] <jcoxon> oooo K6RPT-13 is on the map
[15:27] <jgrahamc> Glad to hear it NigeyS
[15:27] <NigeyS> :D nice work on the camera!
[15:28] <NigeyS> Upu, please eloborate on pink space probe, it sounds kinda .. suspicious..lol
[15:28] <jgrahamc> Bit upsetting drilling through a camera with a 6mm drill, but it worked.
[15:28] <Upu> uploading to Youtube now
[15:28] <Upu> I wanted to do something a little different with the pictures
[15:28] <NigeyS> jgrahamc, i bet, not the normal place to take a drill bit, but hey what has to be done.. :D
[15:28] <Upu> I have the defacto standard A560
[15:29] <Upu> but Timobel gave me an idea
[15:29] <jgrahamc> Glad to hear, jcoxon that PicoAtlas 2 came home
[15:29] <Upu> if it works the pictures should be wow
[15:29] <fsphil> ooh I think I know what you've done
[15:29] <Upu> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXlyBK4N7t4
[15:29] <NigeyS> oh no, tim has come up with some seriously crazy ideas before.. dread to think what this one is :p
[15:29] <Upu> its a bit pikey but it seems to work :)
[15:30] <fsphil> woo, I was right ;)
[15:30] <Upu> god youtube quality is crap
[15:30] <jcoxon> it'll get better
[15:30] <jcoxon> when you upload it first sticks on a rubbish quality version
[15:31] <jcoxon> then it'll put the better quality one up once its finished processing it
[15:31] <Upu> I think I may have opened a whole world of pain and possible tangles etc
[15:31] <Upu> ah ok
[15:31] <Upu> oh yeah says at the top of the screen
[15:31] <Upu> durr
[15:32] <NigeyS> thats pretty neat Upu !
[15:32] <Upu> just need to make it a little more sturdy in case it gets windly up there
[15:32] <fsphil> very
[15:32] <Upu> power comes from inside
[15:32] <Upu> the payload, I just so want to see my pink payload against the panorama :)
[15:33] <NigeyS> it'll make for some very nice images!
[15:33] <Upu> hopefully :)
[15:33] <fsphil> looking forward to the dizzy descent video :D
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[15:34] <Upu> whoa
[15:34] <fsphil> yikes
[15:34] <NigeyS> haha dizzyness!
[15:34] <Upu> Mr Harrison
[15:34] <rjharrison_> hehe
[15:34] <rjharrison_> Hi all
[15:34] <Upu> long time no see
[15:34] <NigeyS> hey rjharrison_
[15:34] <Upu> how are you ?
[15:34] <rjharrison_> Sorry I;v been so quiet but I have been suffering with some bad headaches
[15:34] <rjharrison_> The good news is that they are on the mend
[15:34] <Upu> if it stays attached fsphil, there is a seperate cord in face
[15:34] <Upu> good to hear
[15:34] <Upu> I heard you weren't so well, glad your back
[15:34] <NigeyS> :( hope you're better soon
[15:35] <rjharrison_> Been doing some hab stuff with Rocketboy
[15:35] <NSS-WB9SBD> Just watched that video, what is it trying to show us?
[15:35] <fsphil> headaches are evil
[15:35] <NigeyS> yush!
[15:35] <Upu> where I'm mounting a video camera NSS-WB9SBD
[15:35] <Upu> the quality is bad atm but thats my payload in the pink box
[15:35] <rjharrison_> I have the BBC wanting to do some HAB filming in Cambridge if there are any takers
[15:35] <jcoxon> also his delightfully pink payload
[15:35] <NigeyS> Upu, you could possibly make some kind of spreader bar if your worried about tangles ?
[15:35] <rjharrison_> They are keen to do something in the next few weeks
[15:35] <fsphil> Upu, you should mount another one up on the cord looking down
[15:36] <rjharrison_> Upu cool
[15:36] <Upu> I'll stick with one for the moment fsphil
[15:36] <fsphil> lol
[15:36] <NigeyS> lol
[15:36] <fsphil> fair enough
[15:36] <rjharrison_> I have been pushing the CAA for a launch from York
[15:36] <NigeyS> be a sport, daisy chain 3 of them :P
[15:36] <Upu> any news on the NOTAM for York rjharrison_ ? I'm a rubber tube away from being able to launch
[15:36] <rjharrison_> I have requested for a single launch over a 2 month window as this seemed to get a better response
[15:37] <Upu> if it works I'll buy a HD camera but for the moment it will have to be a single cheap chinese AEE camera :)
[15:37] <NigeyS> rjharrison_, theBBC seem to like the hab stuff :D
[15:37] <rjharrison_> I think once we have done a couple there will be less issues with getting some thing more regular
[15:37] <Upu> ok you got any launches coming up ?
[15:37] <rjharrison_> NigeyS yep they do
[15:38] <rjharrison_> Upu I would like to send an SLR up on a 3000g
[15:38] <rjharrison_> But other than that nothing in the bag
[15:38] <rjharrison_> jcoxon dod you get my calendar>
[15:38] <jcoxon> yes thanks
[15:38] <jcoxon> very nice
[15:38] <Upu> I'd seriously like to come along on one, I've never tracked one from the ground
[15:38] <rjharrison_> jcoxon BTW did you launch last w/e
[15:38] <jcoxon> yes
[15:38] <rjharrison_> Rusults?
[15:38] <jcoxon> recovered
[15:39] <NigeyS> trees can be obtrusive!
[15:39] <jcoxon> didn't super-pressure though
[15:39] <rjharrison_> cool was it testing a halo stuff
[15:39] <rjharrison_> oh :(
[15:39] <rjharrison_> Burst
[15:39] <jcoxon> one of the balloons burst
[15:39] <NSS-WB9SBD> super pressure?
[15:40] <fsphil> it managed to travel a good distance
[15:40] <Upu> sits at a certain alititude and floats
[15:40] <jcoxon> NSS-WB9SBD, we've been experiementing with super-pressuring simple mylar balloons
[15:40] <jcoxon> not doing too well
[15:40] <rjharrison_> humm coll
[15:40] <rjharrison_> cool
[15:40] <NSS-WB9SBD> yeah I kbnow all about them and how they work, was just wondering what you were using in th tests.
[15:41] <rjharrison_> Well I have a 5k Grant from the UKSA for producing some scholl kits and a primer on how to do HAB for schools
[15:41] <jcoxon> multiple 91cm foil balloons and super-lightweight payloads
[15:41] <jcoxon> rjharrison_, wow - good work
[15:41] <NigeyS> jcoxon, rocketboy was saying the other night hes happy with the excel thing he's done for the SP calculations
[15:41] <Upu> blimey going well you'll be able to give up the day job soon :)
[15:41] <rjharrison_> Upu, it will be a while yet
[15:41] <Upu> Harrison Near Space Systems ? :)
[15:41] <fsphil> wow, the UKSA doing cool stuff
[15:41] <fsphil> I was worried they'd just be making red tape
[15:42] <NigeyS> lol
[15:42] <rjharrison_> The 5k comes with lots of caviates and basiclly I need invoices for what it's spent on. Though some travel and promotion is allowed
[15:42] <Upu> right one more test next weekend, 4 mile LoS test on the radio and if that passes I'm good to find someone where to launch
[15:42] <rjharrison_> My plan is to knock up a few kits for schools to borrow and they only get them if they have a NOTAM in place
[15:42] <jgrahamc> rjharrison_ when does the BBC want to do this filming? I'm likely to launch GAGA-1 sometime in March if the winds are good
[15:43] <Upu> I'm looking good for March too
[15:43] <rjharrison_> If you are interested I'll send you their email address
[15:43] <rjharrison_> Upu cool
[15:43] <rjharrison_> Upu if you want to meet up some time for a chat and a play with kit you would be most welcome
[15:43] <Upu> that would be really helpful actually
[15:44] <fsphil> march is going to be busy, hopefully launching then too
[15:44] <Upu> I have alot of questions mainly about the tracking on the ground
[15:44] <NSS-WB9SBD> I wish people that launch had people on the chat rooms. doing these flight for 22+ years now and we always had a way to keep in contact with those interested. before the internet we had HF stations on the launch site for up-dates. not we use chat rooms, but we man them so people can know what happening. this sucks not knowing anything.
[15:44] <Upu> I can take a run out to your place sometime if thats ok with you
[15:44] <fsphil> NSS-WB9SBD, so true
[15:44] <NigeyS> NSS-WB9SBD, what time is launch? 4pm (UK) ?
[15:45] <jcoxon> NSS-WB9SBD, yeah sometimes you need a person just to do the chat rooms etc
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[15:45] <NSS-WB9SBD> according to the e mails it should happen in 15 minutes
[15:45] <fsphil> I was a bit busy to do IRC but I tried to keep the channel up to date
[15:49] <NSS-WB9SBD> still 134 feet
[15:50] <fsphil> what's the callsign again?
[15:50] <NigeyS> K6RPT-13
[15:50] <k7rkt> like watching paint dry
[15:50] <NigeyS> lol
[15:51] <fsphil> hmm.. I can't switch the units to metric, the save button doesn't do anything
[15:51] <NigeyS> is it oinly aprs ?
[15:51] <NigeyS> only*
[15:52] <fsphil> ah there we go
[15:52] <fsphil> 41 m
[15:53] <k7rkt> he's launching from a Safeway parking lot?
[15:53] <fsphil> most flights in the states seem to use aprs
[15:53] <fsphil> they can use more power there so it probably makes sense
[15:53] <NigeyS> ahh oki
[15:53] <NigeyS> how do you change it to m from ft phil ? :|
[15:53] <k7rkt> This one's transmitting about 1-2 watts IIRC
[15:54] <fsphil> afsk over fm is a silly idea though, bit of a waste
[15:54] <NigeyS> ft to m *
[15:54] <fsphil> NigeyS, in preferences -> units
[15:54] <NSS-WB9SBD> what do you mean by more power?
[15:54] <NigeyS> cheers
[15:54] <fsphil> NSS-WB9SBD, in the UK we're limited to 10mw :)
[15:54] <NSS-WB9SBD> ahhh OK, we usually run 300 mw.
[15:55] <NigeyS> :o
[15:55] <fsphil> maybe one day ;)
[15:56] <NigeyS> when pigs fly?
[15:56] <fsphil> actually there's something the UKSA could do -- put pressure of ofcom to allow amateurs to fly stuff
[15:56] <NigeyS> oh theyd have to do a study, then the study will have to be studied..yadayada
[15:57] <gm8oti> newbie question - can dl-fldigi save stuff so it can be sent in later?
[15:58] <jcoxon> not currently
[15:58] <fsphil> the receive text can be logged, but the actual telemetry isn't saved
[15:58] <k7rkt> we're UP!
[15:59] <gm8oti> fsphil: umm - hoping to track hadie from SW Scotland in March, but have no direct internet connection
[16:00] <gm8oti> my stupid phone has the internet but can't be used as a connection for laptop
[16:00] <fsphil> haha, typical that
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[16:00] <fsphil> you can either record the received audio, which would record the image data too, or save the decoded text
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[16:01] <fsphil> Right clicking on the text area, and Save As...
[16:01] <NSS-WB9SBD> I see the list at the right, are all those people in here?
[16:01] <gm8oti> yes, that might have to be it. I can transfer files only (Windoze .doc or .xls) to the phone then
[16:02] <fsphil> NSS-WB9SBD, to the right of this text window? yep
[16:02] <gm8oti> email them on ...
[16:02] <NSS-WB9SBD> wow.
[16:03] <jcoxon> NSS-WB9SBD, lots of people are lurking though
[16:03] <fsphil> mmm an email gateway for the tracker
[16:03] <jcoxon> fsphil, it already exists
[16:03] <fsphil> that's right, I remember someone mentioned that
[16:03] <fsphil> was the way it worked first?
[16:03] <jcoxon> yup
[16:03] <gm8oti> point me at it pls!
[16:04] <fsphil> gm8oti, does your phone and laptop have bluetooth?
[16:04] <hsmith> Hi James - are you still flying balloons?
[16:04] <NSS-WB9SBD> anyone calcualte a rate of climb yet?
[16:04] <jcoxon> hsmith, yeah
[16:04] <hsmith> Good news - what's coming up?
[16:04] <jcoxon> nothing planned for a bit
[16:04] <gm8oti> fsphil: yes, but the bluetooth on the phone (O2 Palm Pixi - a disaster) only allows connection of audio devices :-(
[16:05] <fsphil> eek
[16:05] <fsphil> a bit like the iphone then, fairly useless
[16:05] <gm8oti> yup
[16:05] <NSS-WB9SBD> 840 fpm
[16:06] <Randomskk> my (android) can wifi and wired tether :D
[16:06] <Randomskk> hurrah mobile internet
[16:06] <NigeyS> haha mine too :P
[16:06] <fsphil> lol
[16:06] <NigeyS> Randomskk, mobile wireless hotspot is useful to !
[16:06] <gm8oti> yup, next time ...
[16:06] <fsphil> my phone is pretty wussy at that too, but the O2 dongle works well for it anyway
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[16:06] <NSS-WB9SBD> so who all here actually does balloons?
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[16:06] <fsphil> not terribly fast though -- I'd love to have a live stream next time
[16:07] <NigeyS> im building my first ..
[16:07] <Randomskk> many of us do balloons in some way or another
[16:07] <fsphil> I've 2 done so far
[16:07] <fsphil> 50% success rate :)
[16:07] <NigeyS> building / destroying .. kinda thing
[16:07] <NSS-WB9SBD> Hi Doug,
[16:07] <KB9ZWL> Hi Joe
[16:07] Action: SpeedEvil just runs fldigi on my phone.
[16:08] <NigeyS> it works on a mobile? :|
[16:08] <SpeedEvil> (though admittedly, I have not compiled dl-fldigi)
[16:08] <SpeedEvil> n900
[16:08] <NSS-WB9SBD> almos 9K feet
[16:08] <BigRedBee> K6RPT said that this one was gonna land in the Pacific -- do we know if that's still true?
[16:08] <NigeyS> ahh, id prlly have to root android to get it running on the desire
[16:08] <fsphil> it's heading that way at the moment
[16:08] <SpeedEvil> In principle - dl-fldigi, and a bluetooth serial dongle would work 'perfectly'.
[16:08] <fsphil> so yea probably still a wet landing
[16:09] <NSS-WB9SBD> and if the upper winds are in turn around, look likely.
[16:10] <fsphil> 3.1km
[16:10] <fsphil> I'd love to see pictures of that balloon being filled, it must be huge
[16:10] <NigeyS> the 3000g?
[16:11] <fsphil> yea
[16:11] <NigeyS> love to see how big it expands to if a 1200g gets to 8 / 10 ft :|
[16:11] <NSS-WB9SBD> not really. it will be just barely larger than if it was a 600 gram balloon, only the extra weight of the balloon itself would make it any larger while still on the ground.
[16:12] <NSS-WB9SBD> so where is everyone here from? I'm of course Near Space Sciences in Southwest Wisconsin U.S.A.
[16:12] <BigRedBee> Portland, Oregon
[16:13] <NigeyS> Cardiff, South Wales
[16:13] <BigRedBee> I'm origianlly fron Beloit, Wi
[16:13] <KB9ZWL> Eau Claire, Wisconsin
[16:13] <gm8oti> Edinburgh, Scotland
[16:13] <x-f> Latvia
[16:14] <jonsowman> Cambridge, UK
[16:14] <Randomskk> Cambridge, UK
[16:14] <NigeyS> truly global ...
[16:14] <NSS-WB9SBD> yes it seems so. lots from over the pond.
[16:14] <NigeyS> afternoon jonsowman
[16:14] <NSS-WB9SBD> red bee, when did u move?
[16:14] <jonsowman> afternoon NigeyS
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[16:14] <jgrahamc> I'm in west London
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[16:15] <BigRedBee> Left Wisconsin after college -- 1986
[16:15] <NSS-WB9SBD> Ok, we sent a few balloons ur way then while you were down there. a common landing area for us.
[16:17] <NigeyS> 5km
[16:17] <fsphil> sweet
[16:18] <fsphil> heading for an airport :)
[16:18] <Darkside> NSS-WB9SBD: Adelaide, Australia here
[16:18] <Darkside> Project Horus
[16:18] <NigeyS> ello Darkside
[16:18] <NSS-WB9SBD> horus? got a web page?
[16:18] <Darkside> projecthorus.org
[16:19] <NigeyS> horus sent Tux up not so long back, that was cool! :D
[16:19] <NSS-WB9SBD> Nice front page pic horus
[16:19] <Darkside> http://projecthorus.org/?page_id=1470
[16:19] <Darkside> :P
[16:20] <NigeyS> $23k .. crikey, congrats !
[16:21] <NSS-WB9SBD> $23k?
[16:21] <Darkside> the tux and a print of it at 30km alitude was auctioned off
[16:21] <Darkside> for charity
[16:22] <KB9ZWL> Here's a video clip I made of Bill's(WB8ELK) Last Flight 22 Jan 11. http://tinyurl.com/46h7cjf
[16:23] <NSS-WB9SBD> how did you get you tube to take more than ten min clip?
[16:23] <BigRedBee> that limit was lifted a while back
[16:23] <KB9ZWL> They told me I was now authorised to have larger videos
[16:24] <KB9ZWL> and the limit has increased
[16:24] <Darkside> ok, night all
[16:24] <Darkside> 3am here...
[16:24] <BigRedBee> Balloon picking up speed -- 23K and 50MPH
[16:24] <NigeyS> night Darkside
[16:25] <NSS-WB9SBD> ahh cool OK,
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[16:30] <NSS-WB9SBD> gettin' ready to go ocean bound!
[16:31] <BigRedBee> ya -- then it's fun to see the range on these transmitters as they go out to sea -- much better over salt water!
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[16:32] <NSS-WB9SBD> looks like someone has been logging the woods there.
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[16:34] <fsphil> nearly 11km already
[16:34] <NigeyS> yup 11.3k
[16:34] <BigRedBee> what is the record that he's trying to break? It's near 130K, but does anyone have the exact # ?
[16:35] <NSS-WB9SBD> next transmission should be over water
[16:35] <fsphil> 130,903 ft / 39899 m
[16:35] <fsphil> from the arhab website
[16:35] <BigRedBee> thanks, fsphil
[16:36] <NSS-WB9SBD> we got water
[16:36] <fsphil> there was another balloon that went higher but it wasn't amateur
[16:40] <fsphil> there are some really odd names in that part of the world
[16:41] <BigRedBee> I like Prunedale
[16:43] <fsphil> going to make land again
[16:45] <NSS-WB9SBD> yup
[16:45] <NSS-WB9SBD> so, anyone got a flight up-coming?
[16:48] <BigRedBee> Land Ho -- with aprs.fi, how do I see a list of stations that "heard the beacon directly" ? I don't see that on the "station info" secion.
[16:49] <fsphil> there's a bunch of flights in March .. don't think there's any planned for the next few weeks though
[16:53] <NSS-WB9SBD> they are about 1/2 way there
[16:55] <NSS-WB9SBD> I miss the schedule e mailngs
[17:01] <NSS-WB9SBD> hello?
[17:01] <BigRedBee> we're here
[17:02] <KB9ZWL> We were spoiled
[17:02] <BigRedBee> looks like it's making that turn westward
[17:02] <fsphil> "Light Fighter Drive" ... what?
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[17:03] <NSS-WB9SBD> huh? doug?
[17:04] <NSS-WB9SBD> howdy howard
[17:04] <KB9ZWL> schedule emails
[17:05] <NSS-WB9SBD> ahh yes. I never remember to bother going to the web page. getting it twice a week was awesome.
[17:05] <NigeyS> off back out to sea by the looks of it
[17:06] <KB9ZWL> I now check the webpage quite often
[17:06] <NSS-WB9SBD> I don't even remember the url
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[17:06] <KB9ZWL> http://arhab.org/ARHABlaunchannouncements.html
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[17:08] <fsphil> nearly 25km .. 25% the way to space :)
[17:08] <NSS-WB9SBD> wow only three announcements?
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[17:15] <NSS-WB9SBD> la la la,
[17:16] <KB9ZWL> lol
[17:16] <NigeyS> 27k
[17:17] <NSS-WB9SBD> I don't think it will go for a swim,,
[17:18] <fsphil> shame aprs.fi doesn't have the prediction
[17:19] <NSS-WB9SBD> yup
[17:19] <KB9ZWL> would be nice
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[17:19] <NSS-WB9SBD> seeing monterry on the map reminds me,,,, where was the monterry pop festival?
[17:22] <fsphil> 111 km/h .. yikes
[17:24] <NSS-WB9SBD> almost 100K ft
[17:24] <BigRedBee> more!
[17:24] <NSS-WB9SBD> oops over 100K
[17:25] <NSS-WB9SBD> did they say what they expect for pop?
[17:25] <BigRedBee> they're going for the record.
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[17:27] <NSS-WB9SBD> I meant expected pop altitude?
[17:27] <NigeyS> well they need 40k for the record
[17:30] <NigeyS> either a blip in aprs or its loosing altitude
[17:30] <fsphil> burst?
[17:31] <x-f> 120 km/h speed on 31+ km altitude isn't common, right?
[17:31] <fsphil> yea, burst
[17:31] <NigeyS> def burst
[17:31] <BigRedBee> 2 in a row down
[17:31] <NigeyS> 32.3k
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[17:31] <NSS-WB9SBD> wow not very high for that ballon,, I've had 600's go higher than that!
[17:32] <NigeyS> think once you get past 30k the rest is down to luck
[17:32] <BigRedBee> water landing?
[17:32] <fsphil> x-f, it can happen - though normally going east
[17:33] <NSS-WB9SBD> I have not been very impressed with the 3000 balloons so far of all the flights so far I have seen.
[17:33] <fsphil> I wonder where they got all the H2
[17:33] <NSS-WB9SBD> why? it's easy to get.
[17:34] <SpeedEvil> H2 is cheaper than He.
[17:34] <SpeedEvil> By a fair margin.
[17:34] <NSS-WB9SBD> by a LOT here it's like 25% the cost
[17:34] <fsphil> our local gas place only has HE
[17:34] <gm8oti> I heard it's like comparing beer and whisky - in the liquid version!
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[17:35] <NSS-WB9SBD> go to a farm supply store or any welding supply shop.
[17:35] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: Weldingsupply places.
[17:35] <fsphil> cool
[17:35] <fsphil> will do
[17:35] Action: SpeedEvil plans on doing a natural gas launch one of these days.
[17:35] <fsphil> I was going to make my own but it would have taken too long
[17:35] <NSS-WB9SBD> take too many beans for the natural gas volume needed.
[17:36] <NSS-WB9SBD> H2 is all we have ever used.
[17:36] <fsphil> any special precautions?
[17:37] <NSS-WB9SBD> I'm not gonna even go there. too many people are in fear of having a hindenburg.
[17:37] <fsphil> not me, I'm doing it anyway .. just wondering? :)
[17:38] <fsphil> there's no air mixed with the H2 so I imagine it's fairly harmless even if something did ignite it
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[17:39] <SpeedEvil> Itis.
[17:39] <SpeedEvil> There is a video on youtube Ican't be bothered looking up.
[17:39] <NSS-WB9SBD> EXACTLY! It needs oxygen to burn or explode. if it has none, nothing can happen, really basic simple.
[17:39] <SpeedEvil> Basically, you get a bonfire of balloondiameter for 0.5 seconds.
[17:40] <SpeedEvil> And a burning latex rag thrown randomly at medium velocity
[17:40] <NSS-WB9SBD> at the worst!
[17:40] <SpeedEvil> Bucket of water, and facemasks, and you're pretty much fine.
[17:40] <NSS-WB9SBD> actually i don't even think the contact time is long enough to get the latex to start on fire.
[17:41] <fsphil> thought so
[17:42] <NSS-WB9SBD> everyone keeps thinking Hindenburg, the hindenburg did NOT explode! the covering burnt and that was it was made from a highly flammable material.
[17:42] <fsphil> well that's my plan for a summer launch
[17:42] <NSS-WB9SBD> where r u from?
[17:42] <fsphil> I wasn't worried about a hindenburg-style fireball - just knew that it is flammable stuff
[17:42] <fsphil> UK
[17:43] <SpeedEvil> NSS-WB9SBD: It is
[17:43] <SpeedEvil> NSS-WB9SBD: And it does
[17:43] <NSS-WB9SBD> ahh sucks to have all the restrictions you do
[17:43] <fsphil> lol yea
[17:43] <SpeedEvil> NSS-WB9SBD: There is a youtube somewhere
[17:44] <NSS-WB9SBD> do they have a boat? I know I would have.
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[17:44] <fsphil> brb, gotta walk the mutt
[17:45] <KB9ZWL> To bad them ships weren't closer they might see the balloon hit the water
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[17:55] <NSS-WB9SBD> ?
[17:55] <KB9ZWL> aprs.fi where k6rpt-13 is click show all
[17:56] <KB9ZWL> right side track station
[18:05] <NSS-WB9SBD> la la la swimming soon
[18:05] <KB9ZWL> yup
[18:09] <NSS-WB9SBD> I think if I was them Id stop trying the 3000 balloons they just don't seem to have the same quality,
[18:09] <NSS-WB9SBD> I'd try like a pair of 2000 ones necxt.
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[18:12] <rjharrison_> dual balloons have a big problem when the first one bursts it may go into float or sink very slowly which means a very long drive to collect
[18:17] <NSS-WB9SBD> actually not really we have done several. with 600 gram balloons, the ride up was a typical 1000 f per min, and one would pop and it'd come down on only one with only 1/2 the needed inflation, and it would come down at about 3K feet a min. not bad at all.
[18:20] <fsphil> *splash*
[18:21] <rjharrison_> NSS-WB9SBD cool
[18:22] <rjharrison_> I guess if you fill balloons with payload in mind then it's not too hard to avoid float and I guess I could program pyro to fire if in decent mode
[18:23] <NigeyS> eek pyro cutdowns
[18:23] <fsphil> bad quality balloon? "Flight K6RPT-13 did not go as planned. The balloon during fill appeared to have large translucent patches throughout."
[18:23] <NigeyS> they scare me!
[18:24] <NigeyS> fsphil, certainly doesnt sound right
[18:25] <rjharrison_> NigeyS that's a good starting point. I'm v careful with my pyros. I like my fingers
[18:25] <NSS-WB9SBD> seems to be a common problem with the 3000 ones. none have even gotten close to a predicted altitude. I'm glad I never wasted close to 300 bucks on one.
[18:25] <NigeyS> same here, you have to treat that black power with the upmost of respect, the minute you don't .. you lose your hand :(
[18:26] <NigeyS> NSS-WB9SBD, who makes the 3kgram balloons ?
[18:26] <NSS-WB9SBD> i'm surprised that 5 k was the last report
[18:26] <NSS-WB9SBD> they are all japan totex,,, kaymont imports them.
[18:27] <NigeyS> hmm thought totex were the best there was :/
[18:27] <fsphil> I had the tinyest little banger go off in my hand once, thankfully my hand was opened and it just burned me a bit
[18:28] <NigeyS> ouch phil
[18:28] <NSS-WB9SBD> the smaller one I have never ever had a prroblem, 1500 have flown dozens with never a problem, I have 6 2000 that I have yet to try. but probably after now the 6th 3000 flight I have watched none performed as they should have.
[18:29] <fsphil> We've had great success with the 1kg balloons
[18:29] <fsphil> both got over 30km
[18:30] <fsphil> though 2 is a very small sample :)
[18:30] <NSS-WB9SBD> same here we have gone into the 115K feet with 1000s and similar sizes, the 1500's so far seem to be the best larger sized ones.
[18:31] <NigeyS> fsphil, im still not sure which baloon to go for for ATS-1
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[18:31] <fsphil> what weight will the payload be?
[18:31] <NSS-WB9SBD> well been fun, I'm outta here have fun everyone and check out the challenge at,
[18:32] <NSS-WB9SBD> http://www.qsl.net/wb9sbd/300K.html
[18:32] <fsphil> cya NSS-WB9SBD!
[18:32] <jerryG> Anybody know anything about KE5VYM-11 UL Lafayette?
[18:32] <fsphil> brb
[18:33] <KB9ZWL> take care Joe
[18:33] <NigeyS> fsphil, should come in just under 900grams
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[18:42] <fsphil> 1kg balloon should do nicely
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[18:46] <NigeyS> cool
[18:46] <NigeyS> hi Dan
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[19:12] <fsphil> "hydrogen will spontaneously ignite upon release and will burn with an invisible flame" meh
[19:13] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: ot: Is there a better high temp insulator regularly available than http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270530126701&category=20564&_trksid=p5197.c0.m619 - vermiculite based board of ~0.14W/mK@250C ?
[19:19] Action: Laurenceb_ thinks
[19:20] <Laurenceb_> does it have to be high temperature tolerant?
[19:20] <Laurenceb_> oh
[19:20] Action: Laurenceb_ reads the question
[19:21] <Laurenceb_> i dont really know - never looked into it much - try RS engineering supplies page
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[19:22] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: K - wondered if you'd looked at it.
[19:25] <Laurenceb_> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/search/searchBrowseAction.html?method=retrieveTfg&binCount=33&Ne=4294957561&N=4294962223+4294954602
[19:30] <SpeedEvil> Interesting, thanks.
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[19:32] <NigeyS> hi mattltm
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[19:34] <mattltm> Hey NigeyS :)
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[19:38] <NigeyS> how's you then ?
[19:39] <mattltm> Good thanks. Just got back home. Have driven to Ipswich and back to pick up an antenna.
[19:40] <NigeyS> oo, which 1 did you get ?
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[19:40] <mattltm> A stacked folded dipole array. I love a bit of folded dipole!
[19:40] <NigeyS> ooerr very fancy :p
[19:40] <mattltm> Come from my days working as a comms engineer for the police :)
[19:41] <mattltm> Its bordering on an unhealthy obsession
[19:41] <NigeyS> ahh true, did you get the resistors you were after for the ntx2 ?
[19:41] <mattltm> Not yet but im off to the canvy rally tomorrow so should pick them up from there.
[19:42] <mattltm> Failing that, im poping into lakeside on the way back so can call into maplin as a last resort.
[19:42] <NigeyS> ahh sorry thought that was today lol
[19:42] <mattltm> Lol- so did I :P
[19:42] <mattltm> Good job I checked before i WENT :)
[19:42] <NigeyS> hope maplin by you are better than the 2 near me, neither of them had any of the resistor values i needed so ordered a load from rapid
[19:43] <Laurenceb_> SpeedEvil: i thought of one way to get a monocrome webcam - try and get the mono version of the cmos image sensor and resolder
[19:43] Action: mattltm remembers when Maplin was good and not just full of crap
[19:43] <Laurenceb_> heh
[19:43] <fsphil> aah happy days
[19:44] <NigeyS> those wre the days!
[19:44] <mattltm> Athough I have just found out the RS have a trade counter at Gatwick
[19:44] <mattltm> Thats far to close for comfort.
[19:44] <NigeyS> thats handy!
[19:44] <Laurenceb_> http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca5xx.html
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[19:45] <mattltm> http://www.rsgbcc.org/cgi-bin/claim.pl?Contest=144MHz%20UKAC&year=2011
[19:45] <mattltm> My sad 2 point contest entry :(
[19:45] <fsphil> it's still better than mine :p
[19:46] <mattltm> When did you entre?
[19:46] <mattltm> *enter
[19:47] <fsphil> hmm I can't find it now
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[19:48] <fsphil> http://www.rsgbcc.org/cgi-bin/vhfposted.pl?Contest=144MHz%20UKAC&year=2010&2Nov=1#2Nov
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[19:49] <mattltm> Call?
[19:50] <fsphil> MI6VIM
[19:50] <fsphil> 1 qso
[19:50] <mattltm> Good effort. :P
[19:50] <mattltm> At least we took part eh?
[19:50] <fsphil> exactly :)
[19:51] <fsphil> and it's a 100% improvement from the last time
[19:51] <mattltm> Im going to try the 70cm contest this Tuseday
[19:51] <fsphil> 22 points -- I actually wasn't last for 2010
[19:52] <mattltm> Going /P to the highest hill in Kent with a 10M mast and a 19 element beam
[19:52] <mattltm> 200M ASL
[19:52] <fsphil> sweet
[19:52] <fsphil> there's a great spot not far from here but I don't think I'd be able to drive up to it
[19:53] <mattltm> Get the tent out :)
[19:53] <fsphil> lol
[19:53] <fsphil> there's a road but it's realllly steep
[19:54] <mattltm> Goats?
[19:54] <fsphil> no goats
[19:54] Action: mattltm thinks about strapping a mast on a tripod to 3 goats.
[19:55] <fsphil> plenty of sheep
[19:55] <mattltm> I have a restraining order involving sheep :(
[19:55] <fsphil> ah, mutten talk about that then
[19:55] <Laurenceb_> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/search/searchBrowseAction.html?method=getProduct&R=7173723
[19:55] <Laurenceb_> ^hell yeah
[19:56] <Laurenceb_> better than sparkfun
[19:56] <mattltm> Very nice
[19:57] <Laurenceb_> eek the back order date :(
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[20:00] <Laurenceb_> ST seem to have production issues
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[20:07] <Dan-K2VOL> Doing payload assembly live on cam, friends! Http://ustre.am/oIad
[20:08] <fsphil> cool
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[21:39] <fsphil|m> ssdv at 1200 baud on 2m works well, a whole distance of 50 metres :)
[21:41] <NigeyS> ooo
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[22:19] <griffonbot> @nearsys: Got USB cables for the UltraLight flight computer kit. Also working on directions. Look for the complete kit shortly. #ARHAB [http://twitter.com/nearsys/status/34013265679876096]
[22:35] Nick change: laurence_ -> Laurenceb_
[22:36] <NigeyS> ello Laurenceb_
[22:36] <Laurenceb_> yo
[22:39] <natrium42> represent o/
[22:43] <NigeyS> hey natrium42, you get your payload ?
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[23:13] <Laurenceb_> hmm apparently the PS3eye works at up to 187fps
[23:14] <Laurenceb_> and there the i2c and sync exposure pins probable on the board - not bad for £15
[23:17] <NigeyS> cant gowrong for £15
[23:21] <fsphil> ohm sweet ohm
[23:22] <NigeyS> wb phil
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[23:28] <fsphil> hmm my filing system has failed again, can't find the temp sensors
[23:30] <NigeyS> lol you need a new filing system dude :P
[23:30] <fsphil> I need a second house to fill up with all this junk :)
[23:35] <NigeyS> i'll send you my as yet unbuilt observatory ?
[23:37] <Laurenceb_> http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/2827/img1949600fo2.jpg
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[23:40] <NigeyS> what is it? :|
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[23:40] <Laurenceb_> ir camera mode and propane cannon
[23:41] <Laurenceb_> *mod
[23:41] <NigeyS> :o
[23:44] <TheRealJeanLuc> Hey, I'm doing some planning for a possible university weather balloon project. I've noted that virtually everyone constructs the payload container from styrofoam for insulation. I was curious how much of a problem the low temperature aloft is with cameras and simple electronics in your experience?
[23:46] <jonsowman> TheRealJeanLuc: temperature changes cause the radio to drift which is often a bit of a problem
[23:46] <jonsowman> most other electronics can cope with the temperature, but you want to avoid condensation too
[23:46] <jonsowman> and general moisture when going through clouds
[23:48] <jonsowman> a lot of components will have their temperature tolerance in their datasheets, so if it's a specific component you're concerned about, have a look there
[23:49] <TheRealJeanLuc> hm. okay, thanks. I'm planning on a styrofoam container, I'm just wondering how much of a problem camera windows will be.
[23:49] <jonsowman> experience says leave the camera lens open to the elements
[23:49] <jonsowman> trying to put a window in front usually results in condensation/frosting
[23:52] <TheRealJeanLuc> oh, cool. thanks for the tip.
[23:53] <NigeyS> you can also line the inside of the styrofoam with foil blankets, the type used in survival kits.
[23:54] <fsphil> yea those are good
[23:54] <fsphil> the temperature in my last payload box actually increased
[23:55] <NigeyS> :D i saw a pack of 5 on amazon for £4 i think
[23:55] <TheRealJeanLuc> oh, cool. yeah, those are real cheap, which is always nice.
[23:56] <NigeyS> jonsowman, howcome Halo is showing up on the tracker? :|
[23:59] <jonsowman> no idea
[23:59] <jonsowman> natrium42: ?
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