highaltitude.log.20110123

[00:02] <NigeyS> ffs fdigi b0rked again
[00:02] <griffonbot> @LVL1WhiteStar: Tim makerbotting a critical science part - any guesses what it is? It's upside down here. #arhab http://yfrog.us/0vb9xz [http://twitter.com/LVL1WhiteStar/status/28965776610299904]
[00:03] <jcoxon> NigeyS, you are having real issues aren't you with it
[00:03] <jcoxon> very odd
[00:03] <NigeyS> seems to every time i save the settings and load it back up
[00:04] <Lunar_Lander> spacenear has it about 1000 m lower than at APRS
[00:04] <jcoxon> Lunar_Lander, no data has arrived for a very long time
[00:04] <Colin_> yes, no tracker update for over 15 mins
[00:05] <jcoxon> there is no data to update it with
[00:05] <Colin_> thats what I meant
[00:05] <Lunar_Lander> ah ok
[00:07] <fsphil> absolutely nothing heard in ohio
[00:08] <fsphil> or here directly
[00:12] <jcoxon> prev freq?
[00:12] <fsphil> 10.143mhz + ~1200hz
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[00:17] <NigeyS> hey juxta
[00:17] <jcoxon> do we think the tx died?
[00:18] <juxta> hi NigeyS
[00:18] <NigeyS> possibly james, seems a rather odd flight altogether
[00:18] <NigeyS> weird alt, speed, gps .. :|
[00:19] <Lunar_Lander> if you were flying and had a termination devide
[00:19] <Lunar_Lander> *device
[00:19] <Lunar_Lander> would you have fired it?
[00:19] <NigeyS> but isnt it over the area where gps was to be affected ?
[00:19] <fsphil> it seems odd that the HF would disappear so suddenly
[00:19] <Colin_> I think the low ascent rate is down to them deciding to wrap all the payload pieces in bubble wrap and duct tape - I think it's heavier than they expected
[00:19] <NigeyS> lol yeah lots of bubblewrap!
[00:19] <jcoxon> maybe the HF skip has moved to much
[00:19] <juxta> hi all - did WB8ELK launch?
[00:20] <Colin_> juxta - yes
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[00:20] <juxta> oh right - is there a beacon on HF too then?
[00:20] <Colin_> jcoxon: could be - it did vanish more or less at sunset
[00:20] <NigeyS> juxta, more like .. WAS .. its kinda gone ..
[00:20] <jcoxon> Colin_, so max rx is now in an uninhabited zone
[00:20] <Colin_> juxta: there was, everything except aprs seems to have died
[00:21] <jcoxon> juxta, aprs is still working
[00:21] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: glass diffusors - sticker shock! I was thinking more a teeny pager motor, and a bit of ice-cream tub.
[00:21] <jcoxon> okay apparently its still alive
[00:21] <jcoxon> but weak
[00:21] <Lunar_Lander> if you were flying and had a termination devide
[00:21] <Lunar_Lander> would you have fired it?
[00:21] <Colin_> jcoxon: could be - also looking at the aprs map all the igate ground nodes are behind it - which doesn't bode well
[00:21] <jcoxon> yes
[00:21] <NigeyS> nah
[00:21] <NigeyS> lol
[00:22] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[00:22] <jcoxon> its going to go in the sea currently
[00:22] <NigeyS> what are the rules on that btw ?
[00:22] <Lunar_Lander> let's roll a dice
[00:22] <Lunar_Lander> 1,3,5 terminate
[00:22] <juxta> heh, I'm looking at aprs now, it's moving at a fair pace :)
[00:22] <NigeyS> losing tx .. do you cut down or .. ?
[00:22] <Lunar_Lander> 2,4,6 let fly
[00:22] <Lunar_Lander> yeah sounds reasonable NigeyS
[00:23] <Colin_> in this case I'd cut down before it went in th sea - it's a High School project, the kids will want their experimnets back
[00:23] <NigeyS> cant cut down a pico balloon though .. eek
[00:23] <NigeyS> Colin_, i see.. they want their banana back !
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[00:23] <Colin_> NigeyS: I suspect it's going to be a snack for a shark
[00:23] <juxta> there's a banana onboard?
[00:23] <Colin_> yup
[00:24] <NigeyS> yuhuh apparently juxta
[00:24] <NigeyS> Colin_, sharks like bananas !
[00:24] <NigeyS> and humans..
[00:24] <Colin_> actually there are about 6 payload objects - all strung one below the other on a lot of string
[00:24] <NigeyS> prolly be a frozen banana by the time it lands mind
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[00:26] <jcoxon> hey WB9SBD
[00:26] <WB9SBD> me here 2
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[00:26] <fsphil> howdy WB9SBD
[00:27] <Colin_> Hi WB9SBD - it's a much nicer chat environment here than the batc thing
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[00:27] <WB9SBD> it's still climbin slowly
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[00:28] Action: jcoxon is searching for globaltuner radios
[00:28] <WB9SBD> he he we all run away!
[00:28] <Colin_> an invasion!
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[00:28] <WB9SBD> good idea, Bill did that on the last flight find one say nebraska or so distance
[00:28] <juxta> WB9SBD, is it going in the ocean do you think?
[00:28] <ka9szx> There is one in Colorado.
[00:29] <WB9SBD> try that might be good,
[00:29] <Colin_> juxta: the prediction though so before we lost the radio signals
[00:29] <jcoxon> also has anyone got anything on 2m?
[00:30] <Lunar_Lander> WB9SBD sorry for my stupidity, I set up APRS wrongly
[00:30] <jcoxon> okay i'm off to bed - work tomorrow
[00:30] <jcoxon> night all
[00:30] <Lunar_Lander> we are now at T+4 hours
[00:30] <NigeyS> nn james
[00:30] <Colin_> G'night
[00:30] <Lunar_Lander> night jcoxon
[00:30] <juxta> night jcoxon
[00:30] <WB9SBD> lander what do you mean
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[00:30] <NigeyS> got something on ohio no idea what it is mind
[00:30] <Lunar_Lander> I had set APRS to show only the last hour of data points
[00:30] <NigeyS> fsphil, can you check ?
[00:31] <Lunar_Lander> thus my false assumption of one hour in the air
[00:32] <fsphil> ooh noisy
[00:32] <ka9szx> I do not know if I should call Bill again or not. He is usually pretty good to return calls when he has nothing going on.
[00:32] <NigeyS> ya was very clear just now though
[00:32] <fsphil> I'll keep an eye out
[00:32] <fsphil> and an ear too
[00:33] <Lunar_Lander> yeah phone him and please greet him from Germany
[00:33] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[00:33] <WB9SBD> as far as going for a swim unless it pops real early ummm YUP. no doubt about it.
[00:33] <Colin_> right I'm heading out - I'll take another look tomorrow and see what occured
[00:33] <Lunar_Lander> yes, it seems like i
[00:33] <Lunar_Lander> *it
[00:33] <Lunar_Lander> 125 mph is also a quite good speed
[00:33] <StrayVoltage> Heh. You know you're a die-hard ballooner when you're spending a saturday night tracking a balloon launched on the other side of the planet. :D
[00:34] <ka9szx> He was very lucky to have it pop and land the last time as that was pretty much looking like this one, destine for a splash down and it was 10 miles from doing so.
[00:34] <Lunar_Lander> StrayVoltage yeah
[00:34] <Lunar_Lander> on Horus 11 in Australia I was up all night
[00:34] <Lunar_Lander> got to bed about 5:50 am
[00:35] <StrayVoltage> :)
[00:35] <WB9SBD> yup it only climbed 75 feet the last report
[00:35] <WB9SBD> 40
[00:36] <Lunar_Lander> accelrating
[00:37] <Lunar_Lander> 138 mph
[00:37] <Lunar_Lander> heading for Brunswick, GA
[00:40] <Lunar_Lander> 140 mph
[00:41] <Lunar_Lander> it dropped 10 meters
[00:41] <Lunar_Lander> hm
[00:41] <WB9SBD> Ok, assuming it keeps climbing at the rate it is about 100 feet / min
[00:41] <WB9SBD> and assuming about a 100K altitude pop
[00:41] <Lunar_Lander> yeah but it actually did drop 10 meters since the last report
[00:41] <WB9SBD> that makes it got 630 minutes till pop.
[00:42] <Lunar_Lander> another drop by 9 meters
[00:42] <WB9SBD> or 10.5 hours,
[00:42] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[00:42] <WB9SBD> and at 130 Mph that 1365 miles to travel.
[00:42] <fsphil> eek, float?
[00:42] <WB9SBD> not a floater yet, just very slow rise
[00:42] <Lunar_Lander> climbed 13 m
[00:44] <Lunar_Lander> +0.9 m/s climb
[00:44] <WB9SBD> GPS's do not like altitude need to average many to get a true reading.
[00:45] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[00:45] <Lunar_Lander> 143 mph
[00:45] <Lunar_Lander> and 2° south of east
[00:45] <WB9SBD> it's travelling sideways faster tho
[00:46] <WB9SBD> makes me wonder if it did punch through yet.
[00:46] <WB9SBD> the trop might be higher than we thought
[00:46] <ka9szx> You will see it slow down if it does.
[00:46] <WB9SBD> yup
[00:46] <Lunar_Lander> 144 mph
[00:46] <SpeedEvil1> WB9SBD: Is this uninflated, or is this a large payload?
[00:47] <SpeedEvil1> underinflated
[00:47] <WB9SBD> BRB gonna make some coffee this looks like it gonna be a long one.
[00:47] <ka9szx> I have a feeling the payload was larger than anticipated.
[00:47] <Lunar_Lander> banana too heavy?
[00:47] <NigeyS> it seemed rather well inflated
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[00:47] <ka9szx> Possibly
[00:47] <NigeyS> lol Lunar_Lander
[00:47] <WB9SBD> used a scale he he he. I got burned by scalestwice I never ever use them anymore.
[00:48] <Lunar_Lander> I think Bill himself said that a gust came in sideways while weighing off
[00:48] <WB9SBD> I bet it's a hard banana right now.
[00:48] <Dan-K2VOL> I think our sport is a hard banana
[00:48] <ka9szx> Turning black as we speak
[00:49] <WB9SBD> mark fin a recvr yet?
[00:50] <ka9szx> I am now wondering how much longer we are going to be receiving packets from this balloon.
[00:50] <ka9szx> I have not been looking.
[00:50] <Lunar_Lander> ground speed dropped 2 kph/1 mph
[00:50] <Dan-K2VOL> has the HF died or just poorly propagating?
[00:50] <WB9SBD> holy crap I got BIG sig on HF again!!!
[00:50] <Dan-K2VOL> ok then
[00:51] <ka9szx> Well hope you can decode it Joe.
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[00:51] <Dan-K2VOL> is it precisely on 10.143?
[00:52] <Lunar_Lander> yeah it is leaving the fast wind
[00:52] <Dan-K2VOL> WB9SBD what's the freq?
[00:53] <Dan-K2VOL> can anyone hear me?
[00:53] <Dan-K2VOL> helloooo
[00:53] <WB9SBD> 143 and cf at 1170
[00:53] <Dan-K2VOL> echoooo
[00:53] <Dan-K2VOL> lol thanks
[00:53] <fsphil> co co c... coo
[00:53] <Dan-K2VOL> heh
[00:53] <K0ANI> Yeah Dan the HF is 10.143 MHz
[00:53] <WB9SBD> now nothing wtf
[00:54] <ka9szx> Joe, there is a Global Tuner in Vero Beach, FL that might be able to hear it direct. Did you want to try it?
[00:54] <WB9SBD> $$WB8ELK,196,00:50:0 ,3110.5Ì,-08241.96,11310,107.82,-29*49
[00:54] <WB9SBD> sure url?
[00:55] <WB9SBD> is that -29 mean 29 below temp?
[00:56] <fsphil> seems too warm :)
[00:56] <ka9szx> Do you have a password to get in?
[00:56] <WB9SBD> nope.
[00:57] <WB9SBD> that mega wide sig is back
[00:57] <ka9szx> OK. I will go upstairs and use that computer to try it, I think it holds my password.
[00:59] <WB9SBD> that was weird, I wonder doe meteor scatter happen at 10Mhz?
[00:59] <fsphil> KF4ZTI : $KF4ZTI,3,0W:56:40,3626.2472,-08720.6195,*7aL
[01:00] <fsphil> weird
[01:00] <WB9SBD> another 40 miles and swiimmin time
[01:01] <WB9SBD> this band is weird, I'm now getting what sounds like lightning crashes.
[01:01] <fsphil> I was hearing that earlier on the ohio receiver
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[01:02] <NigeyS> lol
[01:04] <SpeedEvil> Does the predictor assume a pre-entered ascent rate, or does it measure it
[01:05] <juxta> SpeedEvil, if you mean the predictor on the tracker, then it takes a rolling average
[01:06] <SpeedEvil> ah
[01:07] <Lunar_Lander> it will enter the defined stratosphere now
[01:07] <Lunar_Lander> e.g 12000 m
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[01:08] <SpeedEvil> So is the balloon really going to burst at 12km or so?
[01:09] <SpeedEvil> Or is the alt confused.
[01:09] <SpeedEvil> I mean - is it entering slower moving air - so it just looks like that on the page
[01:11] <Lunar_Lander> reached stratosphere after 3 h and 47 mins
[01:14] <fsphil> given up on ohio radio .. conditions had cleared a bit but not even a trace on the waterfall
[01:14] <K0ANI> It should be entering slower winds above the jetstream somewhere between 40-45Kft
[01:15] <Dan-K2VOL> does it transmit on the top of the minute?
[01:15] <NigeyS> brb
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[01:16] <fsphil> that's travelled some distance now
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[01:18] <ka9szx> OK Just got off the phone with Bill, He is on his way to his Girlfriends home where he will be back on either BATC or here as I had advised him. I heard nothing on the Vero Beach Global Tuner and will try Grand Junction.
[01:19] <ka9szx> Bill says the HF should last 12 hours but the Find Me Spot will last for several days and will float so it looks like he will know where this package ends up.
[01:19] <Dan-K2VOL> yeah, but is it connected to things that won't float
[01:20] <K0ANI> Nova Scotia?
[01:20] <Lunar_Lander> find me spot?
[01:23] <K0ANI> http://www.findmespot.com/en/
[01:24] <K0ANI> Feet Wet!
[01:24] <Lunar_Lander> ah cool
[01:24] <Lunar_Lander> and it gets faster again
[01:24] <Lunar_Lander> 132 mph
[01:26] <Lunar_Lander> 135 mph
[01:27] <Lunar_Lander> 133 mph
[01:27] <Lunar_Lander> top speed had been 144 mph though
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[01:30] <K0ANI> Radio Horizon @ 50Kft is ~ 450 miles. K4GDX in Jacksonville should have the balloon for another 2hr? maybe...
[01:37] <WB9SBD> grrr where is HF at?
[01:37] <WB9SBD> suggestion to BILL.
[01:38] <Dan-K2VOL> heh I'm stumbling across globaltuners left on this frequency
[01:38] <WB9SBD> drop the HELL and CW and use thieri timeslot on 40 meters.
[01:38] <Dan-K2VOL> pretty hard to do a dual band dipole on a balloon
[01:39] <WB9SBD> very light weight trap wouldn't be too hard.
[01:42] <ka9szx> I was unable to hear anything on the Global tuners. The ones in Europe were busy.
[01:42] <Dan-K2VOL> me either
[01:44] <ka9szx> I will be back soon.
[01:44] <WB9SBD> i don't think we got propagation into europe anyway right now
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[01:46] <Lunar_Lander> and
[01:46] <Lunar_Lander> maybe it would pop anyway when the sun rises again
[01:51] <WB9SBD> I've been playing on recievers and found nothing, so whats the rate of climb?
[01:52] <N4XWC> Hey, ya can track it on aprs.fi (for now) call WB8ELK-11. But rate o climb is about 200-300 fpm
[01:53] <WB9SBD> well it tripled from what it was.
[01:54] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[01:54] <Lunar_Lander> 1.9 m/s
[01:54] <N4XWC> Yep, it does seem a little faster now and that's just doing the math on my fingers!
[01:54] <N4XWC> 1.9. that is right at double what it was at launch
[01:54] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[01:55] <Lunar_Lander> still it only covered about half the altitude
[01:55] <WB9SBD> yup it'sd gonna be a LONG flight.
[01:55] <Lunar_Lander> it is about as high as Prof. Piccard's balloon had been
[01:55] <N4XWC> yep, too bad the hf has apparently bellied up on us.
[01:57] <Lunar_Lander> it reaches 1/10th atmosphere
[02:02] <WB9SBD> la la la la
[02:04] <AllenW7AS> Within few minutes of launch Bill was told of the slow ascent rate, he said in the stream that this could end up in the Alantc, he was right !!!
[02:05] <WB9SBD> everyone try HF again it's coming back up I can start to hear it again
[02:06] <Lunar_Lander> 1.85 m/s
[02:06] <Lunar_Lander> 2m/s
[02:08] <ka9szx> OK. I just hear the balloon HF from Vero Beach, Fl via the Global Tuner. It was right at the noise level.
[02:08] <WB9SBD> now some noise ug!
[02:08] <Dan-K2VOL> should 30m be propagating now, and how far?
[02:11] <WB9SBD> so freaking close got like 50% copy
[02:12] <N4XWC> Cool! could you tell if the GPS was working?
[02:14] <WB9SBD> how clean do you think bills tranny it?
[02:14] <WB9SBD> I wonder if we should try harmonics?
[02:15] <ka9szx> it is not too bad from what Bill has told me. I was going to get one for my HiFer beacon but he did not get around to it.
[02:15] <Lunar_Lander> approaching 60,000 ft
[02:16] <ka9szx> Slowed down quite a bit.
[02:16] <WB9SBD> 18 '00,3104.76,-S8015-55,18191,Ltb7.P4GL;4B
[02:16] <ka9szx> Joe, what is the rate of climb now, I have not checked it lately.
[02:17] <WB9SBD> i've been concentrating on HF
[02:17] <WB9SBD> it's close to getting grabbved.
[02:17] <ka9szx> Wha?
[02:18] <WB9SBD> hearing it direct here
[02:18] <Lunar_Lander> adn soon we are at T+5 hours
[02:18] <Lunar_Lander> *and
[02:20] <SpeedEvil> Where is it now - off florida?
[02:20] <Lunar_Lander> georgia
[02:20] <ka9szx> OK looks like it is making up for climbing now that it has not been pushed down by the winds. climbing around 300 fpm.
[02:22] <ka9szx> 358 feet in the last minute.
[02:22] <WB9SBD> people check our ur HF it's getting stronger here.
[02:23] <ka9szx> 312 in the last minute.
[02:23] <Lunar_Lander> 1.6 M7s
[02:23] <Lunar_Lander> m/s
[02:24] <ka9szx> 334 this last minute.
[02:26] <Lunar_Lander> approaching 65,000ft
[02:26] <ka9szx> 332 feet, so it is running around 330 feet per minute. Shame it could not do this earlier, the flight would have been over and it would have been on land.
[02:26] <Lunar_Lander> yes, true
[02:27] <juxta> ka9szx, any chance of getting it back in a boat?
[02:27] <ka9szx> I would say if it was a much slower climb now that the balloon would travel up the east coast to Nova Scotia but at this climb rate it will be over within the hour unless it slows down.
[02:28] <SpeedEvil> How far out to sea is it now?
[02:28] <juxta> almost 100km SpeedEvil
[02:29] <Lunar_Lander> yea I get 125
[02:30] <WB9SBD> any one else trying on HF?
[02:30] <Dan-K2VOL> yes
[02:30] <Dan-K2VOL> I have the local radio tuned
[02:30] <Dan-K2VOL> and am searching through globaltuners
[02:30] <Dan-K2VOL> Louisville KY here
[02:31] <WB9SBD> if I had another db or 2 id have it á8ELK,380,42:30:00,3105.32-8021.82,|p0·.00-)4²7C
[02:31] <Dan-K2VOL> where are you WB9SBD
[02:31] <ka9szx> I shut my station down. Only been hearing noise for the last 3 hours.
[02:31] <WB9SBD> sw wisconsin
[02:33] <ka9szx> It looks to be out around 70 miles away from shore.
[02:38] <WB9SBD> soo freaking close I feel like I'm doin moonbounce again!
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[02:49] <WB9SBD> is anyone else hearing it?
[02:52] <WB9SBD> I can not belive out of the like 100 people in here that I am the only one hearing it?
[02:52] <SpeedEvil> Well, I'm in scotland, and I have no radio. :)
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[02:53] <WB9SBD> GOT IT 2 Perfect Strings!!!!
[02:54] <N4XWC> Cool!
[02:54] <N4XWC> I'm jelous!
[02:54] <N4XWC> jealous too
[02:54] <juxta> WB9SBD, I think my chances of hearing it are low, I'm several thousand km away :)
[02:54] <WB9SBD> $$WB8ELK,299,02:53:00,3056.42,-08008.88,,00,6.94,-41*7F
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[02:55] <juxta> WB9SBD, is the altitude missing from that string?
[02:56] <SpeedEvil> WB9SBD: :)
[02:56] <N4XWC> It is...it's scared of heights....
[02:57] <WB9SBD> looks like the 00 is the altitude slot?
[02:57] <juxta> usually it's after the lat & lon
[02:57] <juxta> so between the 2 commas
[02:57] <ka9szx> The rate of climb is slowing, now down to around 253 fpm.
[02:58] <SpeedEvil> Is the field after ,, the number of sats?
[02:58] <WB9SBD> another good one
[02:58] <juxta> SpeedEvil, yes
[02:59] <juxta> just checked the xml
[02:59] <WB9SBD> $$WB8ELK,303,02:58:02,3104.86,-08000.07,,00,6.92,-41*73
[02:59] <juxta> lat,lon,alt,sats,ustom,int_temp
[02:59] <juxta> custom*
[03:01] <SpeedEvil> So that's an old position and the GPS has lost lock?
[03:02] <SpeedEvil> Sort-of-on-topic-but-not-really.
[03:02] <SpeedEvil> I'm looking for historical data for a met-office weather station - specifically Leuchars.
[03:02] <SpeedEvil> As in over the last 3 monthsish daily max/mins
[03:03] <N4XWC> Position: 31°8.80' N 80°4.78' W is current from aprs.fi, so yeah, looks like it's old data
[03:03] <Lunar_Lander2> 75000ft
[03:04] <ka9szx> looks like it has picked back up altitude wise, climbing at 351 fpm.
[03:04] <Lunar_Lander2> btw SpeedEvil
[03:04] <Lunar_Lander2> I have some scotch here xD
[03:05] <SpeedEvil> Lunar_Lander2: Have fun.
[03:05] <SpeedEvil> Lunar_Lander2: where are you getting the data from?
[03:05] <Lunar_Lander2> thx :)
[03:06] <Lunar_Lander2> from the APRS
[03:06] <ka9szx> Enjoying Some Christian Brothers here.
[03:06] <WB9SBD> $$WB8ELK,310,03:06:00,3100.29,-08005.66,,00,6.96,-41*7E
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[03:11] <WB9SBD> this one was 2 db over
[03:11] <WB9SBD> $$WB8ELK,314,03:11:00,3100.29,-08005.66,,00,6.98,-41*72
[03:12] <ka9szx> Well so much for it slowing acent down at night.
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[03:13] <WB9SBD> want to play a game?
[03:13] <N4XWC> I'm getting decent copy from global tuner in vero beach fl
[03:16] <WB9SBD> Wheres Bill?
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[03:17] <KC5TRB> What mode is now being copied and what is the cursor freq., 1300 or 1330?
[03:17] <N4XWC> it switches between mostly RTTY & Domino
[03:18] <StephenFalken> WB9SBD: Wargames ftw :)
[03:18] <KC5TRB> That's the two modes. Is there one more than the other that's getting through more than the other?
[03:19] <ka9szx> Looks like it is corkscrewing up and being pushed north.
[03:19] <WB9SBD> I'm at 142.54 and cf of 1490
[03:19] <N4XWC> I think it gone a little loopy, it's not pausing between RTTY & Domino now.....
[03:20] <KC5TRB> SBD - what mode was last copied and center freq?
[03:21] <WB9SBD> as seen above. rtty is better than dom right now
[03:22] <KC5TRB> RGR TNX
[03:22] <Lunar_Lander2> 80,000
[03:22] <KC5TRB> SBD center freq?
[03:23] <WB9SBD> 1490
[03:23] <KC5TRB> TNX
[03:23] <Dan-K2VOL> I'm keeping mine tuned, not hearing it
[03:23] <Lunar_Lander2> and T+6 hours
[03:24] <WB9SBD> too bad the cf of dom and rtty dont jive
[03:26] <N4XWC> Yeah...just close enough to make ya wonder why! :)
[03:26] <N4XWC> click, drag, click, drag.....
[03:27] <N4XWC> Maybe Bill can fix that.....I was wishing that earlier...
[03:28] <WB9SBD> yet far enough that won't copy both unless ya keep moving it
[03:28] <WB9SBD> ah another good grab
[03:29] <WB9SBD> yeah if he raises the tones of the rtty by 30 theyd match perfectly I feel hw abt u?
[03:30] <N4XWC> Yeah, I don't remember which was higher, but I'll buy that. Don't see why he can't do that, heck, he's gotta build another one anyhhow! :)
[03:31] <WB9SBD> and I'd say drop the cw and Hell, and use their time slots on 40 meters
[03:33] <Darkside> juxta: still cant log in
[03:33] <N4XWC> I'd like to see a RTTY or Dom xmit, very short, say only lat/long, sent several times in a row, so give us better change to manually copy when the signals in the dirt
[03:34] <juxta> Darkside, thats because I was cleaning ;p
[03:35] <juxta> have added you now
[03:35] <WB9SBD> I can not belive Bill has been absent through this whole thing!
[03:35] <Dan-K2VOL> that is curious
[03:35] Action: juxta is off to scrub some more
[03:36] <N4XWC> He's probably sulking since his payload's gonna have a cold dark swim in a while.....
[03:36] <WB9SBD> I also can not belive we have turn around winds this time of year!!!!
[03:37] <ka9szx> Well it won't be long now. Starting to corkscrew.
[03:37] <N4XWC> And the swim is sad......
[03:37] <N4XWC> yeah...4 little loops inside that big one.
[03:40] <WB9SBD> I'm loosing HF again
[03:40] <Lunar_Lander2> 85,000ft
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[03:40] <Lunar_Lander2> T+6:15
[03:41] <WB9SBD> h
[03:41] <AllenW7AS> It looks like aprs.fi is still solid tracking.
[03:42] <WB9SBD> yup since the skip has moved aweay from me again everyone else take a HF listen see if ur in the footprint.
[03:42] <Dan-K2VOL> will do
[03:43] <WB9SBD> I'm still haring it,, just not good enug to decode
[03:46] <WB9SBD> it's gone from HF here again.
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[03:48] <Lunar_Lander2> is there a world record for slowest/longest ascent?
[03:49] <WB9SBD> yup there is a record page but dont have the address handy
[03:49] <Dan-K2VOL> I'm hearing fading in and out
[03:49] <Dan-K2VOL> of the ohio GT
[03:51] <Lunar_Lander2> http://www.arhab.org/records/records/duration.html
[03:51] <Lunar_Lander2> I just saw that Bill made longer flights
[03:51] <WB9SBD> as slow as this is it still falls right now in 5th plase as the slowest
[03:51] <Lunar_Lander2> like the Latex pinhole floater
[03:51] <Lunar_Lander2> 17h
[03:51] <WB9SBD> the slowest was 190.6 ft/min
[03:53] <ka9szx> Hey Joe, you remember when I cam up for your first flight?
[03:53] <Lunar_Lander2> he could get 2nd
[03:53] <Lunar_Lander2> with some 200 fpm
[03:53] <WB9SBD> yup I see Bill is sending out E-Mails.
[03:54] <WB9SBD> think shell break 100K?
[03:55] <AllenW7AS> I think the data needs to be reviewed, but it could be a record... http://www.arhab.org/records/records/records/lascent.html
[03:55] <ka9szx> I think it will go anytime. Been up almost 8 hours now.
[03:55] <Lunar_Lander2> yes
[03:57] <SpeedEvil> it's dark there?
[03:57] <ka9szx> Joe, copy this URL and check into it tomorrow morning. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18088149/Wb9sbd6.mpeg
[03:59] <WB9SBD> R
[03:59] <WB9SBD> almost 90
[04:00] <WB9SBD> yeah it could break when it was at the trop it was doing less than 100 for a long time.
[04:01] <ka9szx> You know if it kept going in this direction for another 8 hours it could land in Florida.
[04:01] <WB9SBD> I can imagine our APRS traffic cop is having a fit already with this flight.
[04:02] <WB9SBD> yup but I don't thik its got that much time he he he
[04:02] <WB9SBD> anyone even know what size balloon it was?
[04:02] <ka9szx> This signal is so weak cause it is so far away, I can tell it is dropping packets.
[04:03] <ka9szx> The APRS cop can go get a life.
[04:03] <WB9SBD> HF is coming back up some
[04:04] <Dan-K2VOL> it doesn't have PSK does it?
[04:05] <Lunar_Lander2> 90,000ft
[04:05] <ka9szx> Yea,
[04:08] <Lunar_Lander2> and slowly coming up at T+7h
[04:08] <WB9SBD> solid on HF again
[04:08] <WB9SBD> $$WB8ELK,361,04:08:00,3052.89,-08007.16,,00,7.12,-41*75
[04:10] <ka9szx> You know it is 20 miles closer to Florida now.
[04:11] <WB9SBD> My Butts getting tired
[04:13] <Lunar_Lander2> it is heading for Jacksonville
[04:13] <WB9SBD> I need my contesting chair I used to have.
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[04:15] <WB9SBD> still cold 41 below
[04:16] <kj4fqh> hmm
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[04:17] <WB9SBD> it's drifting
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[04:18] <WB9SBD> what battery voltage does it die at?
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[04:20] <WB9SBD> wow it's drifting fast
[04:21] <AllenW7AS> This flight could tie or break Bill's record at 20th place ?? http://www.arhab.org/records/records/duration.html
[04:21] <ka9szx> Comming down now.
[04:21] <WB9SBD> did we have POP? 67K?
[04:21] <ka9szx> YES
[04:21] <ka9szx> Shame it did not level off.
[04:21] <Larry___> Burst @ 92Kft
[04:22] <SpeedEvil> :/
[04:22] <WB9SBD> 91237
[04:23] <SpeedEvil> (in terms of not getting it back)
[04:24] <ka9szx> Once it splashes down I hope it washes up on shore.
[04:25] <SpeedEvil> yup
[04:25] <WB9SBD> not as far out as that is. It might be smack dab in the middle of the gulf stream
[04:25] Action: SpeedEvil tries to remember where he found an ocean current site.
[04:26] <ka9szx> Bill will have to launch a Find Me Spot in a Bottle.
[04:26] <WB9SBD> http://www.icw-net.com/aa_SiteObjects/aa_coastalIMAGES/non-GEOspecific/gulf-stream-labrador-current-color.gif
[04:28] <Lunar_Lander2> good night!
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[04:28] <AllenW7AS> When this lands in the water, do we have a hamsat that can track it for the next 12 hours ???
[04:29] <WB9SBD> I wish one was still up.
[04:29] <Dan-K2VOL> hehe this is right above where those GPS jamming transmissions were scheduled to transmit from
[04:29] <ka9szx> Yes, maybe they can go and get it.
[04:30] <WB9SBD> does anyone know where to look for the find me spot it might be spotting again.
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[04:30] <ka9szx> I did not know if we could use that public link Bill provided when it starts reporting again.
[04:31] <WB9SBD> not a clue. I'm trying to grab a battery voltage
[04:32] <AllenW7AS> If you look at some of the tracking, I wonder if the GPS testing by the FAA had any effect on the onboard GPS ?? Send the files to da FAA and see what they say ???
[04:33] <WB9SBD> it's warming back up or something the drif is going back the other way
[04:36] <AllenW7AS> At 37K feet, look how fast that jet stream is !!!!
[04:37] <WB9SBD> it's screamin!
[04:37] <Dan-K2VOL> Yeehaaw that's the alti to be when you're over the atlantic
[04:38] <WB9SBD> Yeah But I just dont feel comfortable playing on the expressway especially at night.
[04:38] <Dan-K2VOL> it's not so bad when all the cars have GPS and know where you are too
[04:39] <WB9SBD> 6.2 volts -38 deg
[04:41] <AllenW7AS> On a ANSR flight last Nov, NWS said we we could see winds at 125 mph, on the way up the GPS ground speed hit 122 mph, the perdictions can be very good...
[04:43] <WB9SBD> 6.36 volts -35 deg
[04:43] <Dan-K2VOL> should see radio horizon momentarily
[04:43] <WB9SBD> batteries are warming up some
[04:43] <WB9SBD> who?
[04:45] <AllenW7AS> I cant remember the forulma..
[04:45] <WB9SBD> 6.92 33 below
[04:46] <AllenW7AS> I just remember sqrt and .415, but not the order to get the answer in miles....
[04:46] <Larry___> Rule of thumb 2*sqrt of altitude
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[04:47] <WB9SBD> wow,,, 7.12,-28
[04:48] <Dan-K2VOL> that's probably why we lost the HF
[04:48] <AllenW7AS> With Larrys formula, the range is 298 miles ???
[04:48] <Dan-K2VOL> yes that's correct
[04:48] <WB9SBD> solid cpy $$WB8ELK,395,04:48:00,3101.55,-08033.40,,00,7.24,-26*7C
[04:49] <Dan-K2VOL> nice
[04:50] <WB9SBD> I wonder why the altitude died?
[04:50] <WB9SBD> Mark?
[04:51] <WB9SBD> another good one
[04:51] <WB9SBD> $$WB8ELK,397,04:51:00,3101.55,-08033.40,,00,7.66,-17*72
[04:52] <AllenW7AS> at 17728 feet, range is 266 miles
[04:52] <SpeedEvil> WB9SBD: identical?
[04:52] <SpeedEvil> WB9SBD: Someone said the 00 after the ,, is the satellite number
[04:53] <SpeedEvil> WB9SBD: maybe it's simply been extrapolating since that happens
[04:53] <WB9SBD> I think thats supposed to be the altitude slot
[04:53] <SpeedEvil> the ,, is the altitude AIUI
[04:53] <WB9SBD> ahh another
[04:53] <WB9SBD> $$WB8ELK,399,04:53:00,3101.55,-08033.40,,00,7.90,-13*73
[04:54] <Dan-K2VOL> no copy here in KY
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[04:55] <AllenW7AS> Range is 232 miles at 13503 feet
[04:56] <WB9SBD> I use this http://www.qsl.net/w4sat/horizon.htm
[04:56] <WB9SBD> $$WB8ELK,401,04:56:00,3101.55,-08033.40,,00,8.08,-8*44
[04:57] <Dan-K2VOL> yeah, I visually estimated the distance to shore, it's a lot closer to shore than I thought
[04:57] <WB9SBD> yeah I think the GPS on the HF unit died it's not changing position at all
[04:58] <WB9SBD> hello szx?
[04:58] <AllenW7AS> that site says 164miles
[05:00] <WB9SBD> 232 seemed awful far for 13K
[05:00] <SpeedEvil> I assume APRS contact has been lost?
[05:01] <WB9SBD> I still have HF but all I got is battery and temp that is valid
[05:02] <WB9SBD> yeah VHF seems gone 3 min and counting
[05:02] <AllenW7AS> It did to me also, but the web site looked short, I cant remember the formula I really like...
[05:03] <WB9SBD> any sec I should loose HF when it's in the water
[05:05] <Dan-K2VOL> well SNOX1 did keep txing from the waves for a few disjointed transmissions
[05:06] <WB9SBD> 8.6 voltys 1 dg
[05:07] <Dan-K2VOL> nice
[05:07] <SpeedEvil> I assume it's not sealed at all?
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[05:08] <WB9SBD> what a time for the program to crash!
[05:09] <WB9SBD> 8.48 volts and 8 deg
[05:10] <SpeedEvil> that's gotta be close to down
[05:10] <SpeedEvil> What's the sea temp there?
[05:10] <SpeedEvil> air temp at sea level
[05:10] <SpeedEvil> 10? 15?
[05:10] <WB9SBD> I don't know if the temp is f or c
[05:10] <SpeedEvil> C
[05:11] <SpeedEvil> hmm
[05:11] <AllenW7AS> Well next time we think a balloon could end up in an ocean, we could use a marine AIS tracker, I boat could find it.
[05:11] <ka9szx> it should be in the water now.
[05:11] <Dan-K2VOL> 22-23 C
[05:11] <Dan-K2VOL> http://www.osdpd.noaa.gov/data/sst/contour/usatlant.c.gif
[05:11] <WB9SBD> we have Splashdown!!! in the last transmission it went from solid copy to immediate gone no fade just gone like a switch
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[05:11] <Dan-K2VOL> awww
[05:12] <SpeedEvil> Yay!
[05:12] <SpeedEvil> From some perspectives.
[05:12] <SpeedEvil> Solid contact all the way down is great for future missions.
[05:12] <WB9SBD> yup still no trace of sig.
[05:13] <WB9SBD> where is the thunderstorm at?
[05:14] <WB9SBD> still no sig
[05:14] <SpeedEvil> Good tracking efforts!
[05:15] <WB9SBD> It's swimmin wit da fishes
[05:15] <Dan-K2VOL> yes indeed, curious to see if the findmespot resurrects
[05:16] <WB9SBD> Thats what I was wanting Mark to be checking on
[05:16] <WB9SBD> have any way for us to look?
[05:19] <Dan-K2VOL> http://share.findmespot.com/shared/faces/viewspots.jsp?glId=08MznK5zGd0kqyYXpSNxFqq6M7u9a1UOn
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[05:21] <WB9SBD> cool too bad it hasn't come back to life yet
[05:21] <SpeedEvil> I wonder why spot's stopped reporting 4h or so ago
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[05:23] <WB9SBD> what time,,,
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[05:25] <SpeedEvil> 1:37GMT according to above site
[05:26] <SpeedEvil> it was pinging every 10-20 min before
[05:26] <WB9SBD> at that time it was at 47611 feet
[05:27] <SpeedEvil> The next packet may have been >15km
[05:28] <SpeedEvil> Or 50kft
[05:28] <WB9SBD> I don't remember what altitude it stopped working at last time.
[05:28] <WB9SBD> well it's been fun,,,
[05:28] <WB9SBD> I'm outta here. 73 all
[05:28] <SpeedEvil> Thanks for the effort!
[05:29] <SpeedEvil> Good night!
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[05:30] <SpeedEvil> findmespot says only up to 21300ft
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[07:30] <jcoxon> morning all
[07:35] <Dan-K2VOL> morning
[07:35] <jcoxon> flight down i assume?
[07:35] <Dan-K2VOL> yep, with a splash
[07:36] <Dan-K2VOL> Joe in wisconsin heard it shut off mid transmission
[07:36] <Dan-K2VOL> nothing further heard from findmespot
[07:36] <jcoxon> oh
[07:36] <jcoxon> very interesting flight
[07:37] <Dan-K2VOL> http://share.findmespot.com/shared/faces/viewspots.jsp?glId=08MznK5zGd0kqyYXpSNxFqq6M7u9a1UOn
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[07:37] <Dan-K2VOL> yeah, provided a nice distraction here. got balloon plans today jcoxon?
[07:37] <jcoxon> spacenear.us really had issues
[07:38] <jcoxon> Dan-K2VOL, am working today
[07:38] <jcoxon> sadly
[07:38] <Dan-K2VOL> ah indeed! and I'm going to sleep through your shift :-P
[07:39] <Dan-K2VOL> you have a good day james
[07:39] <jcoxon> hehe, not too bad today - just 9-5
[07:39] <jcoxon> oh i've got some time
[07:39] <Dan-K2VOL> oh, around 7:40 there now?
[07:39] <jcoxon> yeah
[07:39] <jcoxon> i live 3 mins from the hospital
[07:40] <Dan-K2VOL> hey now that's awesome, do you walk?
[07:40] <jcoxon> of course
[07:40] <jcoxon> so 40m vs 30m for hf?
[07:41] <Dan-K2VOL> beats me, I let the guys who love to argue about HF figure those things out :-)
[07:41] <jcoxon> oh right
[07:41] <jcoxon> bingo
[07:41] <jcoxon> found one of the issues that people were having
[07:41] <Dan-K2VOL> oh yeah?
[07:42] <jcoxon> yeah an issue with the server upload
[07:42] <Dan-K2VOL> good to test things out with a real world flight
[07:42] <jcoxon> hance why they weren't getting data to the server
[07:42] <Dan-K2VOL> oh, that client side or server side issue
[07:42] <jcoxon> client
[07:42] <Dan-K2VOL> ahh rats
[07:44] <Dan-K2VOL> how do you like using git?
[07:44] <jcoxon> yeah its okay
[07:44] <Dan-K2VOL> I'm just tonight trying to take a look at putting my code into it
[07:44] <jcoxon> i sort of forget to use it
[07:44] <Dan-K2VOL> he
[07:44] <Dan-K2VOL> h
[07:45] <jcoxon> https://github.com/jamescoxon/dl-fldigi/commit/d3b7f807e92d2177b990bd3ef5df66a579c9cdfb
[07:45] <jcoxon> there is the fix already
[07:45] <Dan-K2VOL> nice
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[07:46] <m1x10> Hi ak
[07:46] <m1x10> all :)
[07:46] <Dan-K2VOL> Hi ak all to you too m1x10
[07:46] <jcoxon> Dan-K2VOL, i've now been running my pico paylaod for 24 hrs
[07:46] <jcoxon> http://m6jcx.no-ip.org/dl-fldigi-XMLRPC/index.html
[07:46] <Dan-K2VOL> oooh
[07:47] <jcoxon> including the night mode where it powered down the GPS for 10 minutes at a time
[07:47] <Dan-K2VOL> very nice
[07:47] <jcoxon> and then restarted it tx'd a bit then turned it off
[07:47] <Dan-K2VOL> how long did you wait for relock
[07:47] <jcoxon> very pleased
[07:47] <jcoxon> 2 minutes + 15 loops of telemetry
[07:47] <Dan-K2VOL> is it on batteries now?
[07:48] <jcoxon> so if the lock isn't there when the txing starts it'll of course keep looking
[07:48] <jcoxon> yeah still on bats
[07:48] <jcoxon> 2000mAh lipo
[07:48] <jcoxon> so should last a lot longer
[07:48] <Dan-K2VOL> nice
[07:48] <Dan-K2VOL> what's your transmit current?
[07:48] <jcoxon> with the GPS running as well its in total about 80mA
[07:49] <Dan-K2VOL> 80MA for transmit? what's the power output level
[07:49] <jcoxon> oh 10mW
[07:50] <jcoxon> sorrt thats GPS + flight computer + radio tx
[07:50] <Dan-K2VOL> I'm jealous, this damn digi runs 2A on tx
[07:50] <jcoxon> yeah but its 10mW tx!
[07:50] <Dan-K2VOL> yeah, the m10 is 5W
[07:50] <jcoxon> that said we get good range
[07:50] <Dan-K2VOL> though I think i've found some undocumented debugging commands to lower the transmit power
[07:50] <jcoxon> Dan-K2VOL, its like GSM which requires spikes of 2A
[07:50] <jcoxon> its all their fancy technology
[07:51] <Dan-K2VOL> interesting, I need to look at how GSM devices deliver those spikes
[07:51] <jcoxon> so the GM862 suggests teh use of a lipo which can provide those peak currents
[07:51] <Dan-K2VOL> ah just direct battery power
[07:51] <Dan-K2VOL> at what voltage though, 5?
[07:52] <jcoxon> 3.7v
[07:53] <Dan-K2VOL> :-( we're 2A @ 12v
[07:53] <Dan-K2VOL> that works out to 8A @ 3v
[07:53] <juxta_> hey jcoxon, Dan-K2VOL
[07:54] <Dan-K2VOL> hi juxta_
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[07:55] <juxta> was the payload that landed in the sea earlier recovered at all?
[07:55] Action: jcoxon is a bit annoyed that the bug got in the way for that flight
[07:55] <jcoxon> juxta, its quite far out - eeek
[07:56] <Dan-K2VOL> I don't think anyone will bother
[07:56] <juxta> yeah - I wasnt sure if someone might be out chasing it in a boat or whatnot ;p
[07:57] <SpeedEvil> Also - though it was heard all the way down - the HF transponder broke on impact
[07:57] <SpeedEvil> and was reporting incorrect GPS for about an hour beforehand
[07:57] <SpeedEvil> as the GPS lost lock
[07:58] <juxta> I noticed that in the strings people were pasting in here the altitude was missing and num sats was reported as 0
[07:59] <jcoxon> okay i'll roll out r115 of dl-fldigi
[08:00] <juxta> what did you fix jcoxon?
[08:00] <jcoxon> we found a bug where if people pressed on the right button it appended listen.php to the end of the url
[08:00] <jcoxon> if they pressed it twice it did it again
[08:00] <jcoxon> so they then couldn't upload data
[08:02] <juxta> oh, haha
[08:02] <juxta> which button was that?
[08:02] <jcoxon> not sure fsphil fixed it
[08:03] <Darkside> i remember that
[08:03] <Darkside> i had that problem
[08:04] <jcoxon> well i'm rolling r115 for everyone
[08:04] <Dan-K2VOL> cool
[08:05] <jcoxon> r114 was downloaded 141 times
[08:05] <Dan-K2VOL> yikes
[08:05] <Dan-K2VOL> and there isn't a built-in update mechanism is there
[08:13] <jcoxon> nope
[08:15] <jcoxon> hmmm windows build throwing up an issue - there is a suprise
[08:15] <Dan-K2VOL> heh
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[08:32] <jcoxon> okay
[08:32] <jcoxon> https://github.com/jamescoxon/dl-fldigi/downloads
[08:32] <jcoxon> could someone on windows check it works
[08:33] <Dan-K2VOL> what's required to do
[08:33] <jcoxon> just download it and see if it runs
[08:34] <jcoxon> the bug fix has been tested
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[08:35] <Dan-K2VOL> installing
[08:35] <jcoxon> hey fsphil i've rolled out r115 of dl-fldigi
[08:36] <Dan-K2VOL> how can I tell if Its the right version running
[08:36] <jcoxon> open it up and we'll see on the raw server log
[08:36] <jcoxon> http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/view.php
[08:37] <Dan-K2VOL> its open
[08:37] <jcoxon> did you open the HAB version?
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[08:38] <Dan-K2VOL> yes
[08:39] <jcoxon> strange nothing has come through
[08:39] <Dan-K2VOL> yeah it won't display a list of flights either
[08:39] <Dan-K2VOL> going to reinstall
[08:39] <jcoxon> nah you opened the old version
[08:39] <jcoxon> r112 just appeared
[08:39] <jcoxon> K2VOL : ZZ,K2VOL,2011-01-23 08:38:54,UNKNOWN,UNKNOWN,UNKNOWN,UNKNOWN,r112,WB8ELK
[08:39] <Dan-K2VOL> hmmm indeed
[08:44] <Dan-K2VOL> I uninstalled
[08:44] <Dan-K2VOL> and reinstalled
[08:44] <Dan-K2VOL> r115
[08:44] <Dan-K2VOL> and it's not appearing to get online, can't list flights, and it doesn't seem to show up in the raw
[08:45] <jcoxon> Dan-K2VOL, is this windows?
[08:45] <Dan-K2VOL> yes
[08:46] <Dan-K2VOL> XP
[08:46] <jcoxon> could you go to DL Client
[08:46] <jcoxon> Configure
[08:46] <jcoxon> Enable
[08:46] <Dan-K2VOL> y
[08:46] <Dan-K2VOL> k
[08:46] <jcoxon> whats in the server?
[08:46] <Dan-K2VOL> http://roberharrison.org/listen/listen.php
[08:46] <Dan-K2VOL> online is checked
[08:47] <jcoxon> if you remove listen.php
[08:47] <jcoxon> click save and then refresh payloads does it work?
[08:48] <Dan-K2VOL> no
[08:48] <jcoxon> oh poo
[08:49] <jcoxon> for me this works:
[08:49] <jcoxon> http://robertharrison.org/listen/
[08:49] <Dan-K2VOL> hey do you have teamviewer?
[08:51] <jcoxon> no
[08:51] <Dan-K2VOL> i'm trying it on another machine
[08:51] <jcoxon> okay
[08:51] <jcoxon> i've got work
[08:52] <jcoxon> :-(
[08:52] <Dan-K2VOL> ah yes, bummer
[08:52] <jcoxon> will bbl (prob after you've slept)
[08:52] <Dan-K2VOL> if you want to download teamviewer, I'll give you access to the machine here
[08:52] <Dan-K2VOL> will email you
[08:52] <Dan-K2VOL> have a good day!
[08:53] <jcoxon> wondering if i should delete it off github
[08:53] <jcoxon> save people downloaded a broken version
[08:53] <Dan-K2VOL> I would until you get confirmation :-( it could be my machine, or not.
[08:54] <jcoxon> bbl
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[10:19] <m1x10> mhh, I cant work the sd card with the avr.
[10:19] <m1x10> Arduino code:
[10:19] <m1x10> Serial.begin(9600);
[10:19] <m1x10> Serial.print("Initializing SD card...");
[10:19] <m1x10> pinMode(10, OUTPUT);
[10:19] <m1x10> if (!SD.begin(10))
[10:19] <m1x10> {
[10:19] <m1x10> Serial.println("initialization failed!");
[10:19] <m1x10> return;
[10:19] <m1x10> }
[10:19] <m1x10> Serial.println("initialization done.");
[10:19] <m1x10> CS pin is 10
[10:23] <m1x10> i think the logic level convertor is doing a bad job
[10:37] <fsphil> eek, dl-fldigi bugz
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[10:48] <m1x10> hi fsphil
[10:48] <fsphil> morning m1x10
[10:50] <m1x10> the last 3 days my place looks like england
[10:50] <m1x10> :p
[10:51] <fsphil> damp?
[10:54] <m1x10> cloudy moisture
[10:54] <m1x10> wet
[10:54] <m1x10> dark
[10:54] <m1x10> :p
[10:54] <m1x10> http://pastebin.com/rdU8EHg9
[10:54] <m1x10> I now try to connect 2 spi devices on same spi bus
[10:54] <m1x10> 1 spi = sd card
[10:54] <m1x10> 2 spi = spi2uart module
[10:55] <m1x10> do I need to know something special?
[10:56] <SpeedEvil> full-size SD?
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[10:58] <m1x10> SpeedEvil: what do u mean?
[10:58] <m1x10> microsd
[10:58] <SpeedEvil> m1x10: microSD has no CS pin IIRC
[10:58] <m1x10> wait to send you a pic of what im actually doing
[10:58] <m1x10> SpeedEvil: it has
[10:59] <SpeedEvil> wonder what I'm thinking.
[11:02] <m1x10> SpeedEvil: http://imagebin.org/133972
[11:03] <m1x10> better one:http://imagebin.org/133973
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[11:04] <fsphil> doesn't spi need four wires?
[11:04] <m1x10> yep, there are 4
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[11:05] <fsphil> oh, that's your TTL -> USB converter at the bottom right
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[11:05] <m1x10> yes
[11:05] <m1x10> my 3rd uart
[11:05] <m1x10> :)
[11:05] <fsphil> what are the two wires?
[11:05] <m1x10> tx/rx
[11:05] <fsphil> you'll need gnd too
[11:05] <m1x10> no this part is working
[11:08] <fsphil> it might work now, but it could cause problems when you least expect it :)
[11:09] <m1x10> this part wont be on the payload
[11:10] <m1x10> its for debugging at home :0
[11:10] <m1x10> :)
[11:10] <jonsowman> i still think you should connect gnd
[11:10] <m1x10> ok, SpeedEvil was right. microSD can work with any digital pin.
[11:15] <m1x10> ok
[11:15] <m1x10> solved
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[12:46] <m1x10> cool :) --> http://imagebin.org/133988
[12:55] <Laurenceb_> so last night launch landed in the atlantic?
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[13:09] <NigelMoby> Afternoon
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[14:01] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: yep
[14:02] <SpeedEvil> Though no (working) tracking for the last bit.
[14:02] <SpeedEvil> The GPS on the HF went for lunch, and the spot stopped working as it climbed through 40kft
[14:02] <SpeedEvil> (though it's specced only to 20)
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[14:09] <DanielRichman> tubes were clogged.
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[14:32] <Laurenceb_> SpeedEvil: your suggestion of using a rotating diffusor to control laser coherence length
[14:32] <Laurenceb_> http://www.suss-microoptics.com/products/diffuser.html
[14:32] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: yeah - I saw that.
[14:33] <SpeedEvil> I'm unsure if I came up with that 'originally' or had seen mention of doing it that way.
[14:33] <Laurenceb_> heh
[14:33] <Laurenceb_> bbl
[14:33] <SpeedEvil> I was thinking more of a pager motor and a bit of ice-cream tub though I admit.
[14:33] <SpeedEvil> Rather than $OMG
[14:34] Action: SpeedEvil sighs.
[14:34] <SpeedEvil> I hate doing stuff and realising at the last minute it's pointless.
[14:34] <SpeedEvil> I have a 4-ring induction top, that I put the top from a ceramic hob on.
[14:34] <SpeedEvil> This works fine apart from 4 small holes where the knobs were.
[14:35] <SpeedEvil> So, today I clean it up spotlessly where the holes are, remove the tape that was sealing them, and carefully saw up some stainless bar to fit inside the holes, before sealing with sealant.
[14:35] <SpeedEvil> I'd just got to the cleaning off the sealant stage, when the ARGH hit.
[14:36] <SpeedEvil> These will start to glow bright red, if I actually used it.
[14:36] <SpeedEvil> So, I'm working out how to cut little circles of the old hob.
[14:36] <SpeedEvil> Pipe + abrasive.
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[15:03] <Laurenceb_> doh
[15:03] <NigeyS> hi Laurenceb_
[15:03] <Laurenceb_> id just use silicone
[15:03] <Laurenceb_> hi NigeyS
[15:04] <SpeedEvil> yeah - I'm hoping to get it looking reasonable.
[15:04] <NigeyS> SpeedEvil :)
[15:04] <Laurenceb_> http://www.suss-microoptics.com/shop/microlens-arrays/fused-silica/circular-lenses-hexagonal-grid/microlens-array-nr-13-1254-101-000.html
[15:05] <Laurenceb_> that microlens array is not a crazy price
[15:05] Action: Laurenceb_ is trying to design a strobed optical flow system
[15:06] <NigeyS> a what? :|
[15:06] <Laurenceb_> 9led array - microlens array - diffusor
[15:06] <Laurenceb_> like an optical mouse but in reverse
[15:06] <Laurenceb_> no camera, just a led array, then strobe the light
[15:07] <NigeyS> oh that sounds.. complicated...
[15:07] <Laurenceb_> it theoretically allows you to go up to crazy speeds
[15:07] <NigeyS> interesting!
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[15:08] <NigeyS> im trying to think of a way to detect cosmic rays from a hab :|
[15:08] <NigeyS> someone mentions 2 geigercounters .. fun
[15:09] <Laurenceb_> edmoores idea is interesting
[15:09] <Laurenceb_> but yeah detecting particles is hard
[15:09] <jonsowman> NigeyS: we had two GM tubes on Apex II
[15:10] <NigeyS> ahh mustve been here i read it then, was it successful jon ?
[15:10] <jonsowman> mostly, yes
[15:11] <NigeyS> good stuff! .. any data online i can look at ?
[15:12] <jonsowman> 2 secs
[15:12] <jonsowman> http://balloon.hexoc.com/gallery/apex-ii/index.php/Apex-II-PCBs/IMG_0778
[15:13] <jonsowman> http://balloon.hexoc.com/gallery/apex-ii/index.php/Apex-II-PCBs/IMG_0779
[15:13] <NigeyS> thanks :D just on the apex site, 400-600v .. ouch !
[15:13] <jonsowman> http://www.hexoc.com/pages/apex/apex-ii/data.php
[15:13] <m1x10> bye guys ! cu arround ! thanks SpeedEvil for the CS trick :)
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[15:13] <jonsowman> bottom graph on the first screenshot
[15:13] Action: SpeedEvil is unsure what the CS trick is.
[15:14] <NigeyS> thank you jon!
[15:14] <jonsowman> 2 tubes flew but one was dead all the time
[15:14] <jonsowman> we've got a new pair that will be flying again soon
[15:15] <jonsowman> around easter with any luck
[15:15] <NigeyS> yeah was just wondering where the other line was on the graph, some good results mind
[15:15] <jonsowman> we think the gap in the middle was due to pressure drop
[15:15] <jonsowman> but centronics (who supply the GM tubes) have pressure tested the new set
[15:16] <jonsowman> and they reckon we should see a complete set of data on the next flight therefore :)
[15:16] <NigeyS> that'll be brill, would love to see those results
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[16:04] <NigeyS> hey Zuph
[16:05] <Zuph> Morning, NigeyS
[16:05] <NigeyS> how's you today ?
[16:06] <Zuph> Oh, just fine.
[16:06] <Zuph> How about yourself?
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[16:08] <NigeyS> i'm good thanks, having a lazy Sunday :D
[16:09] <Zuph> Sounds like a plan.
[16:10] <Zuph> Anyone know where Bill Brown's payload ended up yesterday?
[16:11] <NigeyS> was wondering the same thing, tracker says the big blue pond but it was playing up alot so ..
[16:14] <Zuph> Big blue pond seemed like the likeliest thing when I signed off.
[16:15] <NigeyS> yeah it looked that way when i left to, was a pretty weird flight :/
[16:20] <Zuph> Hopefully those high schoolers didn't attach anything too important to it :-p
[16:22] <NigeyS> there was a banana....
[16:23] <Zuph> hah
[16:24] <griffonbot> Received email: Florian Bruhin <me@the-compiler.org> "Re: Can you please add prefix to subjects on this group"
[16:25] <fsphil> I never realised how difficult it was to install windows on a PC these days
[16:26] <NigeyS> lol phil, having probs ?
[16:26] <DanielRichman> It's suprisingly easy to uninstall :<
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[16:27] <fsphil> trying to setup a machine to test dl-fldigi, but window's ain't having it :)
[16:27] <DanielRichman> I usually test it in wine until the last moment
[16:27] <NigeyS> i have to say since XP ive never really had install issues with windows, 98 was a pain in the ass mind
[16:27] <DanielRichman> although having said that I purged wine recently because one of its dependencies was slowing down shutdown by about 6 seconds
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[16:34] <fsphil> my dvd writer seems to be misbehaving too
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[16:37] <NigeyS> eek
[16:39] <Laurenceb_> http://www.armadilloaerospace.com/n.x/Armadillo/Home/News?news_id=372
[16:39] <Laurenceb_> nicee
[16:45] <NigeyS> kinda big aint it
[16:46] <fsphil> hehe, just missed the car
[16:50] <Laurenceb_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxXlDyTD7wo
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[17:01] <NigeyS> lmaothat was genius
[17:04] <fsphil> very good
[17:11] <Colin_> Actually it was *bl**** stupid
[17:11] <Colin_> the car shouldn't have been there - someone should have driven it away before the drop
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[18:38] <Laurenceb_> http://www.solaripedia.com/images/large/711.jpg
[18:41] <NigeyS> where's that to ?
[18:42] <fsphil> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-12262293
[18:43] <NigeyS> :o earthquake!!! phil farted? :p
[18:43] <fsphil> not me this time ;)
[18:44] <NigeyS> hehe
[18:45] <fsphil> wasn't all that far from here
[18:46] <NigeyS> we seem to be getting more earthquakes as of late
[18:48] <fsphil> http://www.earthquakes.bgs.ac.uk/hazard/ukseismap.jpg
[18:48] <fsphil> you seem to live in a hot-spot NigeyS :)
[18:49] <NigeyS> bloody eck so i do
[18:50] <NigeyS> maybe the welsh like baked beans to much? :S
[18:50] <NigeyS> hmm new ver of fldigi isnt ready for windows ?
[18:51] <fsphil> seems to be a lingering bug, gonna test it shortly
[18:51] <fsphil> assuming I finally get windows onto the other pc
[18:51] <NigeyS> is it still giving you issues?
[18:52] <fsphil> give up on xp, downloading 7
[18:52] <NigeyS> why not run it in vmware ?
[18:53] <fsphil> fedora's virtulisation manager doesn't seem to like my video card
[18:53] <NigeyS> ahh that sux :(
[18:54] <chembrow> fsphil have you tried something non-native, like virtualbox?
[18:54] <fsphil> haven't nope, just tried the virt manager - which uses qemu I think
[18:55] <chembrow> I've always had a lot of success with virtualbox, and its seamless mode works nicely
[18:56] <fsphil> ooh it's packaged in rpmfusion, will give it a try
[18:57] <chembrow> I used to run fedora as my main OS for work. Had a virtualbox VM running constantly in seamless mode for Outlook and photoshop
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[19:22] <jcoxon> evening
[19:22] <NigeyS> hey jcoxon how did the pico test go ?
[19:23] <jcoxon> it seemed to have died at 13:30 today
[19:23] <jcoxon> but was away so not sure if thats exact - just the last telem string
[19:24] <NigeyS> ah dam :/
[19:24] <jcoxon> so 29 hours
[19:24] <jcoxon> so ~ 70mA
[19:24] <fsphil> that's a long time for such a teeny battery
[19:24] <jcoxon> which is about right
[19:24] <jcoxon> 2000mAh
[19:25] <jcoxon> fsphil, so this windows bug...
[19:25] <fsphil> yea been wondering about that
[19:25] <jcoxon> i was foolish and published but then when we tested it on dan's computer it didn't connect
[19:26] <fsphil> he had the problem with the previous version?
[19:26] <jcoxon> so i deleted the github binary cause i thought it would be better if people didn't have it
[19:27] <fsphil> the bad server url might have gotten saved into the config, and survived the re-install
[19:27] <jcoxon> yes that is a possibility
[19:27] <jcoxon> hold on
[19:28] <jcoxon> i'll check
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[19:28] <fsphil> so the bug might actually be fix, just the effect persisting
[19:28] <fsphil> fixed
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[19:29] <jcoxon> ping Zuph
[19:29] <Zuph> ping jcoxon
[19:29] <fsphil> ping fsphil
[19:29] <fsphil> oh
[19:29] <jcoxon> you at the space?
[19:29] <Zuph> Nope, will be in probably an hour.
[19:29] <jcoxon> can i borrow the hack space 'puter?
[19:29] <jcoxon> i have access to teamviewer
[19:29] <jcoxon> to fix dl-fldigi
[19:29] <griffonbot> Received email: Alexei Karpenko <alexei@karpenko.ca> "Re: Can you please add prefix to subjects on this group"
[19:29] <LazyLeopard> Hmmm... Time to re-build dl-fldigi, I guess. ;)
[19:29] <jcoxon> dan and i were working on it earlier this morning
[19:30] <Zuph> jcoxon: Dan was just telling me about it.
[19:30] <Zuph> Nope, shouldn't be a problem at all.
[19:30] <fsphil> I may have a windows 7 box in an hours time too
[19:30] <jcoxon> okay i'm in
[19:30] <Colin_> LazyLeopard: I did that this morning, then had a play with datamodes on 40m
[19:31] <jcoxon> Colin_, is it working for you?
[19:31] <Colin_> well it does psk etc (but remember I'm a Debian user)
[19:31] <NigeyS> it still breaks for me on windows, but its definately after saving the settings it loses the ability to choose a payload
[19:32] <fsphil> the bug I fixed was when viewing the raw data
[19:33] <fsphil> there might be another similar one somewhere
[19:33] <NigeyS> its not a bug, its an undocumented feature :p lol
[19:35] <jcoxon> NigeyS, wanyup
[19:35] <jcoxon> fixed
[19:35] <NigeyS> wahey :D what was it ?
[19:35] <jcoxon> fsphil, as you said
[19:36] <jcoxon> the old settings
[19:36] <fsphil> aah sweet, so it has been fixed
[19:36] <fsphil> I wonder if we should add some code to check for the bad setting
[19:36] <fsphil> and replace it
[19:36] <jcoxon> uploading
[19:37] <jcoxon> just need to delete teh fldigi.files folder in Documents and Settings/Administrator/
[19:37] <jcoxon> NigeyS, could you try it out please
[19:37] <NigeyS> sure
[19:38] <jcoxon> https://github.com/jamescoxon/dl-fldigi/downloads
[19:38] <Colin_> jcoxon: btw - I was looking at your git commit. In particular the change to Txt src/logger/rx_extract.cxx
[19:38] <Colin_> are you really adding 8 bit things up to make a 16 bit CRC?
[19:39] <jcoxon> is that my commit of fsphills?
[19:39] <Colin_> oh, it's fsphil's
[19:39] <jcoxon> hehe
[19:39] <fsphil> which commit?
[19:39] <jcoxon> sounds too compilicated for my commit
[19:40] <Colin_> https://github.com/jamescoxon/dl-fldigi/commit/d3b7f807e92d2177b990bd3ef5df66a579c9cdfb
[19:40] <fsphil> yep, the 16-bit crc is calculated from an array of 8-bit values
[19:41] <Colin_> Hmm.. I thought it was more usual to add up objects the same size as the expected result - but maybe thats only for checksums rather than CRCs
[19:43] <fsphil> the extra bits are pretty useful, a lot less chance of a false positive
[19:44] <Colin_> Yeah, I'm not complaining about the size of the checksum - just the way it's calculated - but looking at crc_xmodem_update it seems sensible
[19:45] <fsphil> it's mixed pretty well
[19:46] <NigeyS> jcoxon, seems to be ok, saved config, closed, re-opened, and the payloads are selectable
[19:46] <jcoxon> great
[19:46] <jcoxon> so did you delete the old config?
[19:46] <fsphil> one other thing I noticed last night was the return of the ' bug
[19:46] <jcoxon> or just saved teh config?
[19:47] <fsphil> people with ' in their antenna description wouldn't appear on the map
[19:47] <jcoxon> oh yes - we fixed them not the client
[19:47] <NigeyS> deleted the entire folder, uninstalled, and reinstalled the new ver
[19:47] <jcoxon> okay cool
[19:47] <fsphil> I remember, but it seemed to be happening again
[19:48] <NigeyS> btw ..
[19:48] <NigeyS> something i noticed with the tracker
[19:48] <NigeyS> it always seems to act odd when that video code is on there
[19:48] <NigeyS> like it was last night
[19:48] <jcoxon> yeah i'll remove that
[19:48] <jcoxon> its for the horus launches
[19:49] <NigeyS> yeah, might just be coincidence, but seen it behave odd twice now when the video stuff is left there
[19:51] <jcoxon> okay - so windows build all fixed
[19:51] <jcoxon> right back to pico payload
[19:51] <NigeyS> seems fine, ill yell if it goes wobbly again, thanks for sorting that :D
[19:58] <griffonbot> Received email: James Coxon <jacoxon@gmail.com> "[UKHAS] Re: Can you please add prefix to subjects on this group"
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[20:07] <jcoxon> bbl
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[20:07] <Randomskk> most contentious issue on the ukhas mailing list to date
[20:09] <fsphil> List-ID does it for me, but either way doesn't matter
[20:09] <natrium42> Randomskk: ditto
[20:10] <natrium42> "zomg, i won with a majority" :P
[20:10] <Randomskk> srsly
[20:10] <Randomskk> the list is like zero traffic anyway
[20:10] <Randomskk> I don't even bother sorting it
[20:10] <Randomskk> but anyway
[20:11] <fsphil> hmpf.. not content with loosing my atmega I've now lost my box of resistors
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[20:15] <natrium42> vive la resistance!
[20:15] <fsphil> ohm dear
[20:15] <Colin_> resistance is futile
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[20:25] <NigeyS> lol
[20:25] <Dan-K2VOL> hola gents
[20:25] <NigeyS> hi Dan-K2VOL
[20:25] <natrium42> dan is the man
[20:25] <natrium42> o/
[20:25] <Dan-K2VOL> haha
[20:26] <Dan-K2VOL> hi NigeyS natrium42
[20:26] <Dan-K2VOL> How's suthern Canada doing natrium42?
[20:26] <natrium42> so what's the plan?
[20:26] <NigeyS> blasted cat
[20:26] <NigeyS> ate my salmon :@
[20:26] <natrium42> it's cold, -17C atm
[20:26] <natrium42> going to be -20C
[20:26] <Dan-K2VOL> damn it is
[20:27] <Dan-K2VOL> cheap cryo testing
[20:27] <natrium42> haha
[20:27] <Dan-K2VOL> natrium42 have you gotten ahold of that new BT module spot?
[20:29] <natrium42> nope
[20:29] <natrium42> i only have spot1 and spot2
[20:30] <natrium42> do you have it?
[20:30] <Dan-K2VOL> heh no, can't find a way to get it individually yet
[20:33] <Hiena> Hmmm... Anybody knows a good high output power 3th overtone crystal oscillator?
[20:34] <Hiena> I need to feed an SA612 (redesigned NE602) and the built in oscillator is weak and unstable. Even a stronger sneeze could cause frequency drift.
[20:42] <NigeyS> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=dad4c2ce90aa090df97e079b60b30ca677c1a1c8 <--- hows that for tight? LOL
[20:43] <Randomskk> hah nice
[20:43] <Randomskk> though I have seen one that landed on a beach about 2m from the waterline as per the satellite imagery
[20:43] <NigeyS> talk about coast 2 coast
[20:43] <NigeyS> :o
[20:43] <Randomskk> see if I can find the pic
[20:43] <NigeyS> this i have to see
[20:44] <Randomskk> https://randomskk.net/u/splashdown.png I think maybe it was 2m into the waterline, on recollection
[20:45] <NigeyS> haha thats plain crazy!!
[20:46] <NigeyS> i was convined it would head further east than that
[20:46] <NigeyS> convinced*
[20:47] <fsphil> it will some days
[20:47] <NigeyS> fingers crossed, i dont want to go all the way to exmouth for it!
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[20:57] <Randomskk> what do you call the layer of software that tells the nagivation system where to go etc based on objectives?
[20:57] <Randomskk> the part that decides what to actually do
[20:57] <Randomskk> rather than, say, how to navigate there
[21:00] <Colin_> you mean the route finding algorithm?
[21:00] <Randomskk> the thing that tells route finding where to go
[21:00] <Randomskk> route finding is told "right, we need to get to here"
[21:00] <Randomskk> what decides where here is?
[21:00] <Colin_> user interface?
[21:00] <Randomskk> autonomous
[21:00] <Randomskk> something that is running logic like "we need to perform this task -> right now we need to go to A -> tell navigation to find a route to A"
[21:01] <Colin_> supervisor
[21:01] <Randomskk> something like that I suppose
[21:01] <griffonbot> Received email: Rick Hewett <ukhas@chocky.demon.co.uk> "[UKHAS] Re: Can you please add prefix to subjects on this group"
[21:01] <Colin_> or maybe scheduler if it's time dependent
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[21:04] <DanielRichman> Randomskk: just call it something like "hive mind"
[21:04] <Randomskk> hehe
[21:06] <LazyLeopard> Mind, when it comes to coastlines, sometimes saellite images aren't the most reliable guides. I went for a walk round the sand bar at Augusta last year, and didn't get my feet wet: http://pics.livejournal.com/hrrunka/pic/0009gyq5
[21:07] <Randomskk> indeed
[21:07] <Randomskk> LSD causes all sorts of changes
[21:07] <Randomskk> one of the few things I remember from geography gcse
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[21:20] <Darkside> 08:07 < Randomskk> LSD causes all sorts of changes
[21:20] <Darkside> yup
[21:20] <russss> heh
[21:22] <LazyLeopard> The colours, man! ;)
[21:22] <Colin_> lol
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[21:27] <jcoxon> evening
[21:28] <NigeyS> wb james
[21:28] <NigeyS> weird, protopic havent charged me for my order ..........
[21:28] <jcoxon> have they even sent it?
[21:28] <NigeyS> tracking says its in edinburgh sorting office
[21:29] <jcoxon> fair enough
[21:29] <jcoxon> so i'm thinking - we need more power saving in the code
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[21:30] <NigeyS> hmm thats going to be tricky
[21:30] <Colin_> jcoxon: are you launching pico again at the weekend
[21:30] <jcoxon> yeah hoping to
[21:30] <Colin_> from Churchill?
[21:30] <jcoxon> yeah we'll have to see
[21:30] <jcoxon> depends if its under notam or not
[21:30] <jcoxon> if not then we could launch somewhere else to optimise the flight path
[21:32] <jcoxon> i've fixed most of the things people have suggested
[21:34] <NigeyS> james are there gpsbee stockists in the u.k?
[21:34] <Colin_> might see if people are free enough to get Flosie involved in tracking
[21:34] <jcoxon> NigeyS, no
[21:35] <jcoxon> Colin_, there might be 2 launches
[21:35] <NigeyS> grr kk
[21:35] <Colin_> same time? or just the same day
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[21:36] <jcoxon> not really sure yet
[21:36] <jcoxon> but i plan to launch picoatlas a bit earlier this time
[21:36] <jcoxon> so i hope that'll be at least a days flight
[21:37] <Colin_> where do you expect it to land then? Holland?
[21:37] <jcoxon> actually perhaps not
[21:37] <jcoxon> long range forecasts suggest a easterly wind
[21:37] <jcoxon> of course that'll change
[21:39] <jcoxon> so perhaps a trip across the UK
[21:39] <jcoxon> we'll know more on thursday
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[22:53] <juxta> ping shenki, Darkside
[22:55] <cef> juxta: prob at LCA..
[22:56] <juxta> yeah
[22:56] <juxta> was hoping i might be able to speak top them before the talk today :)
[22:56] <juxta> will give them a ring later
[23:19] <griffonbot> @nearsys: Wrote a description of the UltraLight kit. Get's you into near space fast and inexpensively. See nearsys.blogspot.com. #ARHAB [http://twitter.com/nearsys/status/29317229187170305]
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[23:33] <juxta> ping natrium42
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[23:45] <Dan-K2VOL> UKHasers anyone around?
[23:47] Action: NigeyS hides
[23:49] <juxta> Dan-K2VOL, sort of - I'm in Australia, does that count? :)
[23:49] <fsphil> hiya dan, I can maybe help if it's a dl-fldigi question :)
[23:50] <Dan-K2VOL> hey fellas do you have any superpressure calculation info?
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[23:50] <juxta> ah - that I do not
[23:51] <fsphil> over my head, if you pardon the pun
[23:51] <juxta> fsphil, was going to say a big congrats re fldigi and the auto freq tracking :)
[23:51] <fsphil> ooh have you tried it yet?
[23:51] <juxta> not yet
[23:51] <juxta> I will try it later tonight or tomorrow
[23:52] <fsphil> it hasn't been tested in anger yet -- my last flight had too weak a signal
[23:54] <juxta> ah right - okay, well I'll do some mucking around with it and see how it goes :)
[23:54] <juxta> last time I setup CAT in fldigi it seemed a bit reluctant to play ball
[23:54] <juxta> hopefully I'll have more success this time around :)
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