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[00:30] <NigeyS> do b dooo
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[02:05] <SpeedEvil> http://science.slashdot.org/story/11/01/12/2041208/NASA-Pitches-Heavy-Lift-Vehicle-To-Congress sigh
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[03:01] <natrium42> rofl
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[06:26] <_cr3> Hey guys -- if anyone is interested, we're running payload tests at the moment which are visible on nearspace.us - launch will be in a few hours time and I'll hop back on here to update.
[06:27] <_cr3> Chase car is TVF_Chase, payload will be icarus.
[06:27] <_cr3> Cheers!
[06:28] <natrium42> hi _cr3
[06:28] <natrium42> good luck with the launch!
[06:28] <_cr3> Thanks dude!
[06:28] <_cr3> It's a cold rainy day in Germany but we're all very excited to get this project done.
[06:28] <natrium42> guten erfolg :0
[06:28] <natrium42> *:)
[06:29] <natrium42> i will clear the hadie stuff
[06:29] <natrium42> what's your project called and is there a url?
[06:29] <_cr3> We are Project Space Planes at www.projectspaceplanes.com
[06:29] <natrium42> also what are ascent/descent rates and burst alt?
[06:29] <natrium42> i will grab the prediction data
[06:29] <_cr3> I'll confirm those before launch, we have the prediction software running here but I'm not privy to that info at the moment
[06:29] <natrium42> should i clear all data or do you need it?
[06:30] <_cr3> All data can be cleared
[06:30] <natrium42> alright
[06:31] <natrium42> do you send the time stamp in utc?
[06:32] <_cr3> Not sure. Running DL-FLDIGI in HAB mode, where should I check?
[06:33] <_cr3> Laptop is configured for UTC (Current time 0633)
[06:33] <natrium42> oh, okay
[06:33] <_cr3> So if it reads from that, I won't change it to German time
[06:33] <natrium42> looks good
[06:33] <_cr3> :)
[06:33] <natrium42> it's only important for predictions
[06:34] <_cr3> Sure
[06:34] <_cr3> At the moment it's looking to go about 160 miles, which means we'll be departing ahead of it as we can't get there by road before the payload lands
[06:34] <_cr3> Which is a fun and interesting twist when I'm half the trained launch team, but also all of the tracking team ;)
[06:35] <natrium42> i set burst alt to 30km
[06:36] <natrium42> and ascent/descent to 5m/s and 5/ms
[06:36] <_cr3> 3.5m/s ascent, burst approx 30,000metres, descent approx 5m/s
[06:36] <natrium42> adjusted
[06:37] <_cr3> Thanks so much! I wasn't expecting anyone online so early :)
[06:37] <_cr3> I'm off now to go and get the pyros and cording ready- I'll check in pre-launch
[06:37] <natrium42> np, i am in canada
[06:37] <natrium42> it's only 1:37 am :)
[06:37] <_cr3> Haaaa
[06:37] <_cr3> 0530am German time here
[06:37] <_cr3> Sadface.
[06:37] <natrium42> when is launch?
[06:37] <_cr3> Cheers for your help!
[06:37] <_cr3> Approx 10am german
[06:37] <natrium42> kein problem
[06:38] <_cr3> So... quite some time. I'll hop on prelaunch.
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[06:38] <natrium42> it's same as UTC, right?
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[09:08] <_cr3> Hey gang - is anyone who can manage spacenear.us online at the moment?
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[09:14] <_cr3> Natrium, are you around?
[09:15] <Randomskk> _cr3: what's up?
[09:15] <_cr3> We're reporting to spacenear, but neither of our locations are appearing on the map
[09:16] <Randomskk> from dl-fldigi?
[09:16] <_cr3> We should have a payload of icarus and chase car TVF_Chase up on the map
[09:16] <_cr3> Yep
[09:16] <Randomskk> oh, by reporting you mean uploading telemetry strings?
[09:16] <_cr3> Spacenear is reporting it is receiving locations but not plotting them
[09:16] <_cr3> I think so, I'm not sure of the terminology, sorry
[09:16] <_cr3> We have dl-fldigi in HAB mode reporting to spacenear
[09:17] <Randomskk> http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/view.php is your stuff showing up there?
[09:17] <_cr3> Yes, we are TVF_Chase and icarus at the bottom
[09:19] <Randomskk> hmm. it looks like it's in order, hang on.
[09:20] <_cr3> Thank you :)
[09:22] <Randomskk> odd. the entries appear to be going into the database.
[09:22] <_cr3> natrium42 removed previous entries for us and put our URL on there, which was lovely of him
[09:22] <Randomskk> yea, the spacenear.us tracker database definitely has your telemetry
[09:22] <_cr3> but do you think it may have hidden our data as well?
[09:24] <Randomskk> and it appears to have it under the tracker data file
[09:24] <Randomskk> so for some reason it's not getting rendered.
[09:26] <Randomskk> there's one error to do with the subhorizon_circle thing, that miiight be it. let me see.
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[09:29] <_cr3_> Whoops, fell off the internet there.
[09:29] <_cr3_> That's the problem with hurtling along the autobahn while trying to be on IRC, I guess :)
[09:29] <Randomskk> I think I just fixed it
[09:29] <Randomskk> check it out
[09:29] <_cr3_> Loading it up now
[09:30] <_cr3_> You are amazing
[09:30] <_cr3_> That is absolutely fab, thank you so much
[09:30] <Randomskk> no problem
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[10:58] <_cr3> Hey guys - launch was successful, icarus is now on track.
[10:58] <_cr3> I'm getting a signal even over here in TVF_Chase, and we're well outside of the intended radius for reception
[11:00] <_cr3> The signal isn't enough for fldigi to understand, nowhere near - but we're now 1hr45 from a location where we can get our better antenna up and aimed, at which point fldigi will start reporting back to spacenear.us - hopefully.
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[11:07] <Randomskk> _cr3: sounds good!
[11:08] <_cr3> We just got a valid sentence through from icarus! Should be on the map now
[11:08] <Randomskk> yup
[11:08] <_cr3> Amazing considering we're using a whip antenna and are way outside the normal reception range
[11:08] <Randomskk> at 3km up
[11:08] <Randomskk> indeed, pretty good going!
[11:08] <Randomskk> whips can work surprisingly well :P though given as it's only at 3km that is pretty decent
[11:09] <_cr3> We're amazingly excited right here
[11:09] <_cr3> Wheee
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[12:12] <fsphil> ooh, balloon in the air
[12:13] <fsphil> very slow ascent
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[12:47] <_cr3> welp, looks like we're off to the czech republic
[12:53] <fsphil> how big is the balloon _cr3?
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[12:54] <_cr3> 5kg possibly?
[12:54] <_cr3> Not sure if that makes sense
[12:55] <_cr3> Pyros will cut it down at 30,000 m rather than it popping
[12:55] <fsphil> ah, not so bad -- with that ascent rate it has the potential to go a *long* way :)
[12:55] <_cr3> yeaah, unfortunately the onboards will run out of footage before the payload drops, in all likelihood :(
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[12:57] <_cr3> the HD footage will only last approx 3 hours at the recording quality my brilliant colleagues selected
[13:00] <LazyLeopard> Ascending slower than planned?
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[13:04] <_cr3> considerably slower
[13:04] <_cr3> we planned 3.5m/s and it's been on and off 1.5-2.5m/s
[13:05] <_cr3> sweet, our prediction is bang in poland now.
[13:05] <_cr3> always wanted to go to poland anyway!
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[13:12] <fsphil> live prediction has it just across the polish border
[13:18] <_cr3> Yes - we're driving to a point on the prediction line just within Germany, very close to poland
[13:18] <_cr3> Hopefully it'll land in Poland rather than czech republic, passport control is a slight delay
[13:19] <LazyLeopard> Good luck!
[13:20] <_cr3> Thanks dude :)
[13:23] <Tiger^> just watch out for farmers with pitchforks
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[13:25] <LazyLeopard> Any sign of Hadie2, Phil?
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[13:26] <_cr3> Angry farmer got my mobile broadband connection :)
[13:29] <fsphil> LazyLeopard: no word yet
[13:30] <LazyLeopard> Oh well. Fingers crossed...
[13:30] <fsphil> good excuse for a visit to the dales in the summer though ;)
[13:36] <fsphil> 74km/h .. nice
[13:38] <_cr3> It was at 200km/h before :)
[13:38] <_cr3> At least we're keeping pace now
[13:39] <fsphil> yikes
[13:39] <Tiger^> at least the predicted landing site looks nice and flat
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[13:40] <fsphil> looks like a mountain here :)
[13:42] <_cr3> Haha, either way, we've got an SMS tracker on board too, hopefully that'll be in signal and help us out as it's getting worryingly dark here under cloud
[13:43] <_cr3> We're making a run for the polish border down the autobahn now. One of us doesn't have a passport, only a driving license. Time to get our negotiating faces on.
[13:43] <fsphil> good luck!
[13:43] <Tiger^> _cr3: Poland is in Schengen, you don't need passports.
[13:43] <Tiger^> (unless you're non-EU citizens)
[13:44] <_cr3> oh really?
[13:44] <_cr3> that's great news
[13:44] <Tiger^> yep
[13:44] <_cr3> I love you dearly
[13:44] <fsphil> haha
[13:44] <Tiger^> i often go to the UK without a passport. :)
[13:44] <fsphil> I must add speed to the payload data next time
[13:45] <fsphil> really? I live here and I have trouble getting back into the UK somtimes :)
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[13:45] <_cr3> Well, we'll see what happens
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[13:45] <_cr3> The missing passport is an hour behind us
[13:45] <_cr3> We should still be in radio reach even if it gets an hour headstart of us
[13:46] <fsphil> yep, it will take a while to descend depending on the parachute
[13:47] <_cr3> Do you reckon the prediction on spacenear is accurate for the descent?
[13:48] <fsphil> depends on how far the descent speed is, compared with what it's programmed for
[13:48] <fsphil> far=fast
[13:48] <fsphil> ie, you won't know until it starts falling :)
[13:49] <LazyLeopard> ...and the way the final position keeps jumping about is some indication of its accuracy at present...
[13:49] <fsphil> indeed
[13:50] <fsphil> the slow ascent probably isn't helping
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[13:50] <LazyLeopard> Any risk it'll still be ascending at sunset?
[13:50] <fsphil> eek
[13:51] <fsphil> nah - there's a cut-down programmed for 30km
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[13:51] <fsphil> though if it floats before then....
[13:52] <LazyLeopard> ...'cos then there's the risk it might float below cut-down height?
[13:52] <Tiger^> can you trigger it remotely?
[13:52] <fsphil> doesn't floating require the pinhole at the bottom?
[13:53] <LazyLeopard> I think I remember someone saying they'd had a balloon float unexpectedly? jcoxon, perhaps?
[13:54] <fsphil> can't remember
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[13:54] <fsphil> I know wb8elk tried to make a small balloonone float recently
[13:54] <fsphil> balloon
[13:54] <fsphil> but it just went up slowly, and then came down slowly
[13:54] <LazyLeopard> Ah well, lets's hope it comes down somewhere accessible soon...
[13:55] <fsphil> current prediction is nice, keeping clear of those big hills
[13:55] <LazyLeopard> Time to go dig lines for feeders...
[13:55] <fsphil> have fun :)
[13:56] <LazyLeopard> Ah, yes. Another eason to hope it avoids the Chech rep. ;)
[13:56] <LazyLeopard> Czech, even...
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[13:57] <Tiger^> well, .cz is in Schengen too
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[13:57] <Tiger^> so no worries there
[13:58] <fsphil> ascent rate is slowing
[13:58] <fsphil> hmm.. telemetry has stopped
[13:59] <Laurenceb> someone pinged me?
[14:00] <fsphil> ah there it goes again
[14:00] <fsphil> not recently Laurenceb
[14:01] <Laurenceb> project spaceplanes
[14:01] <Laurenceb> sounds interesting
[14:01] <Laurenceb> "We are going to launch 100 paper planes from the edge of space!"
[14:01] <Laurenceb> -sounds interesting
[14:01] <fsphil> 1.1m/s
[14:02] <fsphil> not at this rate they won't :)
[14:02] <fsphil> 0.3m/s
[14:02] <fsphil> sunset?
[14:02] <fsphil> uh-oh
[14:03] <fsphil> oh there it goes again
[14:03] <fsphil> that's weird
[14:03] <fsphil> 2.3m/s
[14:04] <Laurenceb> we've seen this before
[14:04] <Laurenceb> inertia gravity waves
[14:04] <fsphil> aaah
[14:04] <Laurenceb> quite significant in the stratosphere
[14:04] <Laurenceb> ~10 to 15 minute cycle
[14:05] <fsphil> that's neat -- it had almost stopped ascending completly
[14:06] <fsphil> slowing down again
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[14:12] <juxta> it may end up reaching neutral buoyancy if it's ascent super slowly
[14:12] <juxta> (and hovering)
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[14:14] <juxta> ping shenki
[14:14] <fsphil> it's going backwards
[14:15] <fsphil> yea it's looking like its gonna float
[14:15] <Tiger^> it will come down eventually ;)
[14:16] <juxta> is the chase car going to go into Poland?
[14:16] <fsphil> they where gonna try
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[14:18] <Elwell> stoopid Q - what do the green n blue circles on the tracker represent?
[14:18] <Tiger^> the tracker should definitely report VDOP, HDOP and sats in sight
[14:27] <juxta> Tiger^, it can do whatever the payloads broadcast
[14:27] <juxta> I always do sats in sight
[14:27] <juxta> but hdop & vdop aren't useful most of the time
[14:27] <fsphil> Elwell: within the green circle, the payload will be 5 deg above the horizon
[14:28] <Elwell> ah OK for tracking
[14:28] <fsphil> yep. blue means it above the ideal horizon
[14:28] <Elwell> based on curvature + altitude?
[14:29] <fsphil> yep
[14:30] <fsphil> that payload is floating pretty good now
[14:33] <fsphil> sometimes the signal can be heard outside the blue circle
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[14:36] <Elwell> fsphil: yeah, depending on how high receiver is?
[14:36] <Elwell> and atmostpherics?
[14:36] <fsphil> I think so - not sure what effect the atmosphere would have at 434mhz
[14:40] <Colin_> Anyone know if the current flight (over Germany/Poland) is supposed to be hovering?
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[14:43] <fsphil> it isn't, nope
[14:44] <Colin_> oh dear then
[14:45] <fsphil> yea, there where expecting less than a 3 hour flight
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[14:46] <Tiger^> looks like a serious underfill
[14:46] <Colin_> or a pinhole leak
[14:47] <Colin_> looks like the chase car has given up
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[14:50] <LazyLeopard> ...at th border...
[14:50] <Tiger^> maybe they stopped for gas
[14:51] <Colin_> they have been stopped for a while now
[14:51] <Colin_> and it's already dark there
[14:52] <LazyLeopard> They were a passport short, and the missing passport was being brought in another vehicle an hour or so behind them...
[14:53] <LazyLeopard> They weren't expecting to need passports...
[14:53] <Colin_> according to my Polish collegue it's an open border
[14:53] <Tiger^> LazyLeopard: like I said, Poland is in Schengen
[14:53] <Tiger^> you don't need passports and there are no border stops
[14:54] <LazyLeopard> Ah. Maybe they stopped to let the other car catch up anyway, so they could re-consider their options?
[14:54] <Colin_> they might need Id cards/passports to get into Czeck apparently
[14:54] <Tiger^> Colin_: nope, it's in Schengen too.
[14:54] <Tiger^> they're good as long as it doesn't float to Ukraine ;)
[14:55] <DanielRichman> sparkfun free day. I almost forgot
[14:55] <LazyLeopard> Earlier, _cr3 said: Hopefully it'll land in Poland rather than czech republic, passport control is a slight delay
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[14:55] <LazyLeopard> ..and then: _cr3 The missing passport is an hour behind us
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[14:59] <LazyLeopard> A case for having a timed cut-down option as well as an altitude-triggered one, I guess...
[14:59] <Tiger^> true that.
[15:00] <Tiger^> don't leave home without it.
[15:00] Action: Tiger^ had it on Cygnus
[15:00] <Tiger^> altitude-, time- and distance- triggered
[15:00] <juxta> looks like they're in poland now?
[15:02] <LazyLeopard> ...heading back to Germany...
[15:03] <Tiger^> according to gmaps, they're just outside a large supermarket
[15:05] <LazyLeopard> Heh. Time for supplies. ;)
[15:05] <LazyLeopard> ...'cos it's going to be a long night's chasing..
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[15:05] <Tiger^> heh, champagne and cigars or vodka
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[15:07] <fsphil> ooh it's slowly descending
[15:08] <fsphil> looks like they might have a leak
[15:11] <juxta_> it's probably cooling as it gets darker
[15:14] <Colin_> Re passports... You don't need them for the border. BUT you do need them to be in a different country
[15:14] <Colin_> according to my Polish collegue
[15:16] <Tiger^> that's BS
[15:17] <juxta_> this might end up in slovakia, bolivia or russia at this rate :|
[15:17] <juxta_> sorry, ukraine
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[15:18] <Laurenceb> free day soon XD
[15:18] <Laurenceb> thin ill try the quiz
[15:19] <Colin_> Tiger^: why?
[15:19] <Tiger^> Colin_: EU (and especially Schengen) citizens don't need passports to travel within EU.
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[15:20] <_cr3> Sad news, we are abandoning icarus :(
[15:20] <Tiger^> Colin_: you'd *perhaps* need a passport to work, or open a bank account or something.
[15:20] <Colin_> Tiger^: Hang on, I'll paste you a link that explains
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[15:22] <Colin_> http://europa.eu/legislation_summaries/justice_freedom_security/free_movement_of_persons_asylum_immigration/l33152_en.htm
[15:22] <Colin_> [15:22:09] Pawe? Moll: "For stays of less than three months, the only requirement on Union citizens is that they possess a valid identity document or passport. The host Member State may require the persons concerned to register their presence in the country within a reasonable and non-discriminatory period of time."
[15:23] <Tiger^> that's right: "a valid identity document or passport".
[15:23] <juxta_> _cr3, oh no :(
[15:23] <juxta_> what hapened to the planes?
[15:23] <Colin_> oops ignore the timestamp/name at the beginning of that
[15:23] <_cr3> The planes may or may not have released
[15:23] <Colin_> Tiger^: and that is what they forgot
[15:23] <_cr3> The programming on it was meant to release planes at 27km
[15:23] <_cr3> And then the payload 3 transmit cycles later
[15:24] <_cr3> What we think happened is that the hovering happening at 27k has invalidated a loop and aborted the second cutdown
[15:24] <_cr3> (i.e, it fell under 27k within the 3 transmit cycles)
[15:24] <LazyLeopard> _cr3: Sorry to hear that.
[15:24] <Tiger^> Colin_: a driver's license is a valid id.
[15:24] <_cr3> Therefore it's floating the heck off to Russia and we nearly got shanked in poland, so we've retreated to germany
[15:24] <_cr3> *sigh*
[15:24] <_cr3> A shame
[15:24] <fsphil> _cr3: sorry to hear that -- are you going to keep tracking it?
[15:24] <Laurenceb> _cr3: seriously
[15:24] <juxta_> uh oh - what happened in poland?!
[15:24] <_cr3> We may try again tomorrow and we'll track it until we lose it on the whip
[15:25] <Laurenceb> i thought poland wasnt that bad
[15:25] <Tiger^> _cr3: sorry to hear that :(
[15:25] <_cr3> We stopped in a petrol station and a police van stopped. All the police bundled towards us so we fled
[15:25] <Colin_> Tiger^: not for Schengen purposes apparently
[15:25] <Laurenceb> they dont like Germans?
[15:25] <_cr3> We've got five antennas on the roof, we couldn't look more suspicious
[15:25] <Laurenceb> heh
[15:25] <Tiger^> Colin_: well, I'm speaking from experience.
[15:25] <_cr3> Also my laptop is playing the transmit signal for ear-based debug services
[15:26] <juxta_> haha
[15:26] <_cr3> RE: Schengen, the border from germany to poland was not even announced, it was totally invisible
[15:26] <Tiger^> Laurenceb: well, it's practically wild west.
[15:26] <Laurenceb> thought it was more civilised
[15:26] <fsphil> Laurenceb: free day starts at 4pm UTC doesn't it?
[15:27] <Tiger^> Laurenceb: the plod certainly isn't.
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[15:29] <juxta_> _cr3, you'll keep running the tracking, wont you?
[15:29] <_cr3> As long as we can
[15:29] <_cr3> We are heading away from the signal
[15:29] <_cr3> If you guys know an enthusiast in poland/czech republic, all help appreciated
[15:30] <Laurenceb> starts in <30mins yes
[15:31] Action: Laurenceb has light sensor working on the parrot
[15:31] Action: Tiger^ is 400+ km away :/
[15:31] Action: _cr3 is in a car park, having his tracking disrupted by central locking bippers
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[15:31] <SpeedEvil> :/
[15:31] Nick change: juxta_ -> VK5VZI
[15:32] <VK5VZI> _cr3, what frequency is it on?
[15:32] <Laurenceb> annoyingly the i2c isnt probable
[15:32] <Laurenceb> http://www.dibblah.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/df3120/df3120-map.html
[15:32] <_cr3> 4.074.7 according to my radio
[15:33] <Laurenceb> SpeedEvil: do you want a 64MB ram IC ?
[15:33] <fsphil> 434.0747
[15:33] <Laurenceb> i have 6 spare
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[15:34] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: yes - at some point, it would be very handy.
[15:34] <Laurenceb> k
[15:35] <Laurenceb> adc seems to be very slow ~100sps
[15:35] <SpeedEvil> thanks
[15:35] <SpeedEvil> the light
[15:35] <SpeedEvil> ?
[15:35] <Laurenceb> + sensor
[15:36] <Laurenceb> yes
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[15:36] <Laurenceb> guess its set to low sample rate
[15:37] <Laurenceb> seems to be 12bit
[15:37] <Laurenceb> <<1bit noise
[15:38] <Laurenceb> /sys/devices/platform/s3c24xx-adc/s3c-hwmon # cat in0_input
[15:38] <VK5VZI> there are some slovakian radios on globaltuners
[15:38] <_cr3> Oh neat!
[15:39] <VK5VZI> I'll see if I can tune in for you _cr3
[15:39] <_cr3> Thanks so much
[15:39] <_cr3> It's a case of it being interesting as to where it ends up now
[15:39] <_cr3> Recovery is probably not viable time-wise at this point but we could go for a floaty record
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[15:42] <Laurenceb> heh #sparkfun is unjoinable
[15:43] <Laurenceb> ... and sparkfun.com is down
[15:43] <VK5VZI> _cr3, argh, I just registered an account but it seems it needs to be approved
[15:43] <VK5VZI> anybody got a globaltuners.com account?
[15:43] <fsphil> Laurenceb: you have to identify to services I think before you can join
[15:43] <VK5VZI> Laurenceb, there's only ~350 people in there
[15:45] <_cr3> VK5VZI: There's a login on bugmenot.com with a moderate success rate
[15:45] <VK5VZI> ooh, let me try that
[15:45] <VK5VZI> good thinking
[15:45] <_cr3> :)
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[15:45] <fsphil> a fair number of people joining now
[15:45] <Tiger^> _cr3: try to contact these guys: http://en.copernicus-project.org/
[15:45] <Tiger^> _cr3: maybe they can find somebody in the area.
[15:45] <_cr3> On it now Tiger^
[15:46] <_cr3> Is your ^ a Tiger's ear?
[15:46] <Tiger^> more or less
[15:46] <_cr3> Excellent
[15:47] <VK5VZI> _cr3, no luck with the bugmenot account :(
[15:48] <VK5VZI> are you guys still sitting at the boder?
[15:48] <VK5VZI> border*
[15:48] <_cr3> Ah
[15:48] <_cr3> Is it a paid account?
[15:49] <Laurenceb> 10 minutes
[15:49] <VK5VZI> nah, it's free to join, but they approve your account manually
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[15:51] <_cr3> Ah I see
[15:51] <_cr3> No, we are heading back now, the car track should still be updating on spacenear :)
[15:51] <VK5VZI> aww okay
[15:51] <_cr3> Sad times
[15:51] <VK5VZI> how far do you think you are away now? there's no scale on the tracker :(
[15:52] <_cr3> Tunnel!
[15:53] <Tiger^> _cr3: how long should the batteries last?
[15:53] <_cr3> 2 days possibly
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[15:58] <VK5VZI> i put a scale on the tracker
[15:58] Nick change: SpeedEvil1 -> SpeedEvil
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[15:59] <VK5VZI> natrium42, you in?
[15:59] Nick change: VK5VZI -> juxta
[15:59] <Colin_> VK5VZI: ah, the scale helps a lot - thanks
[16:01] <fsphil> and there goes sparkfun's website :)
[16:01] <SpeedEvil> Meltyyyyyyyyyyy
[16:01] <Colin_> sparkfun?
[16:02] <juxta> Colin_, an electronics website. they're currently giving away a bunch of stock, their site has fallen down under all the load :)
[16:02] <DanielRichman> shame
[16:02] <Colin_> how unusual :^
[16:02] <_cr3> Aw man, I'm missing a giveaway?
[16:02] <Laurenceb> lol
[16:02] <Laurenceb> 502
[16:02] <_cr3> Awwww.
[16:03] <fsphil> you and everyone else _cr3 ;-)
[16:03] <_cr3> I'll stick with my TI Launchpad kit then I guess
[16:03] <_cr3> The poor man's arduino
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[16:04] <juxta> hey _cr3, you guys clocked up some good speeds with the payload today, ~220km/h at ~10km altitude
[16:04] <_cr3> We saw! It was very impressive
[16:04] <_cr3> Also terrifying as if it had sustained that it would be even further away now
[16:04] <juxta> haha yeah
[16:05] <Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/NIk7M.png
[16:05] <_cr3> It was particularly scary for me as I did a considerable amount of the knots
[16:05] <_cr3> I didn't design them for 200kmph
[16:05] <juxta> once we hit 260km/h which I thought was fast - but then I heard from some of the guys who follow the radiosondes launched by the BOM here that they've seen them at 300km/h+
[16:06] <_cr3> crikey! :)
[16:06] <juxta> hehe
[16:07] <juxta> DanielRichman, fsphil, do either of you have a globaltuners.com account?
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[16:08] <fsphil> I do juxta,. but I'm stuck at work
[16:08] <fsphil> I can PM you the login if I can find it
[16:08] <juxta> oh sure, alright :)
[16:08] <Laurenceb> sparkfun is utterly dead
[16:08] <fsphil> yea, I got the "something broke" page
[16:08] <juxta> yeah I just tried it too, haha
[16:08] <juxta> I just timed out
[16:09] <Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/NIk7M.png
[16:09] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: Got one of those, thanks.
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[16:11] <juxta> _cr3, what frequency again?
[16:11] <_cr3> 4.07.24 currently
[16:11] <_cr3> 4.072.4 rather
[16:12] <_cr3> I'm losing it now, it's weak
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[16:12] <Laurenceb> any data?
[16:12] <_cr3> Last I managed to get out of it was 50.682384,17.057308,25440 (lat/lon/alt)
[16:12] <juxta> trying a few radios now
[16:12] <_cr3> Rad - thank you
[16:13] <juxta> dont thank me, thank fsphil :)
[16:13] <_cr3> It's floating down in frequency for me by the way - could be our distance increasing, could be battery drain
[16:13] <DanielRichman> sparkfun.com working
[16:13] <Randomskk> fcvo working
[16:13] <DanielRichman> slow, but working
[16:13] <Randomskk> it has stopped erroring at lesat
[16:13] <Randomskk> least*
[16:13] <DanielRichman> actually it loaded too pages, then I said "IT'S WORRKING" and now it's broken
[16:14] <Randomskk> yes
[16:14] <DanielRichman> sorry guys >.>
[16:14] <Randomskk> reminds me a bit of last year
[16:14] <Laurenceb> http://www.sparkfun.com/free_day
[16:14] <DanielRichman> ^^
[16:14] <fsphil> timeout here
[16:14] <Laurenceb> is where you need to go
[16:14] <DanielRichman> I got to [Enter the Quiz] and now iz stuk
[16:14] <fsphil> oooh, I got the news page loading
[16:15] <Randomskk> bugger. back to "something broke"
[16:15] <fsphil> I'm not gonna bother with the quiz
[16:15] <Randomskk> really?
[16:15] <fsphil> I'll be here all night :)
[16:15] <Randomskk> I only get $30 loyalty money
[16:15] <Randomskk> vs a potential $100
[16:15] <SpeedEvil> I think it's ping issues.
[16:16] <fsphil> I only get $20, but that covers postage and a few small parts ;)
[16:16] <Randomskk> not sure if I'm better off loading multiple tabs or just one
[16:16] <DanielRichman> I trust their stuff is resillient enough that intermiddent loading isn't going to break the quiz half way through
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[16:17] <fsphil> yea, but by the time you get to the end it might be over
[16:18] <jkominar> It's worth trying ... I got through last year and got some good stuff for my balloon project. Patience and you will be rewarded :)
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[16:20] <fsphil> I got a page title
[16:20] <fsphil> ....
[16:21] <DanielRichman> wooo!
[16:21] <fsphil> they should do the next one over ipv6 only
[16:21] <juxta> _cr3, any change in freq?
[16:21] <Randomskk> oh man. I think I got logged out, quiz is redirecting me to login
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[16:21] <fsphil> someone in #sparkfun just said the same thing Randomskk
[16:21] Nick change: ANOther_ -> l33tmike
[16:21] <_cr3> Sure juxta, it's drifted for me. I am on 4.071.2
[16:22] <DanielRichman> arrgh now it has happened to me
[16:22] <fsphil> oooh I gots the page
[16:22] <fsphil> yay! :) got $20
[16:22] <Randomskk> yay, logged in again.
[16:22] <fsphil> that all happened very suddenly
[16:22] <_cr3> I am now out of signal range
[16:22] <_cr3> I'm getting very, very weak signal but can hear it
[16:22] <fsphil> _cr3: what power was the transmitter module?
[16:23] <_cr3> Sorry, I don't know
[16:23] <juxta> probably 10mw I guess
[16:23] <juxta> the station im using is still a few hundred km away
[16:23] <_cr3> I was going to say that but it was only a total guess
[16:23] <juxta> hard to say for sure if I can hear it
[16:23] <juxta> _cr3, what mode is your radio in? USB?
[16:23] <fsphil> I wonder what the max range was, 555km is the record
[16:24] <_cr3> My radio is connected via a 3.5mm jack to my line input
[16:24] <juxta> yeah, but on the radio - do you know if it's set to lower sideband or upper sideband?
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[16:25] <Randomskk> ffs.logged out again
[16:25] <_cr3> Sorry, no - any easy way to check in a pitch black car?
[16:25] <fsphil> well it's only one of two, so try both :)
[16:25] <juxta> what brand of radio is it?
[16:26] <_cr3> Sorry, I can't check
[16:26] <juxta> no probs
[16:26] <_cr3> We can't turn the interior light on as we're doing 120kmph in the dark with rain :)
[16:26] <juxta> ah right :)
[16:26] <juxta> what frequency are you on now?
[16:27] <_cr3> 4.07.05
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[16:28] <Randomskk> haha, logged in again
[16:28] <Randomskk> I keep getting logged in, get my account page, then can't get to the quiz
[16:30] <russss> the direct URL for the quiz is http://www.sparkfun.com/free_day/quiz
[16:31] <russss> my session timed out and I have to log in again :/
[16:31] <_cr3> In FL-DIGI, how do you change the "width" of the two frequencies? They seem to have shrunk.
[16:31] <_cr3> Sorry for awful terminology
[16:32] <Randomskk> russss: ? my link went to /quiz
[16:32] <Randomskk> though it hasn't loaded for me ever
[16:32] <russss> weird
[16:32] <russss> I got that link from someone else.
[16:32] <Randomskk> again I just keep getting logged out
[16:32] <Randomskk> and can usually manage to log in again
[16:33] <Randomskk> then can't load the quiz :p
[16:33] <_cr3> Anyone know the frequency change bit?
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[16:35] <juxta> _cr3, current frequency?
[16:35] <juxta> im hunting around on lots of radios here but havent found it yet
[16:35] <_cr3> 4.06.90
[16:35] <_cr3> Thanks for trying juxta, it's very much appreciated
[16:35] <fsphil> _cr3: the shift often narrows with temperature
[16:35] <_cr3> You wouldn't happen to know how to change the width of where fldigi is looking for signal?
[16:36] <_cr3> Yes, as night is upon us that makes sense
[16:36] <fsphil> go to the modem setup
[16:36] <juxta> I think I hear it
[16:36] <_cr3> Got it, in the DomEX tab at the moment
[16:36] <fsphil> click on the rtty tab
[16:36] <fsphil> set the shift to custom, and then adjust to match
[16:37] <_cr3> Amazing, thanks!
[16:37] <_cr3> Will see if I can get any info out of it now
[16:37] <juxta> oh yeah that will probably help you _cr3
[16:38] <_cr3> We're getting the yagi on the job too, I'm keen to get a location out of it :)
[16:39] <_cr3> Yagi considerably worse than whip, probably due to being inside the land rover
[16:40] <juxta> yes, that would certainly not help ;p
[16:40] <juxta> the yagi needs to be pointed in the right direction
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[16:41] <_cr3_> 16:41:12,50.568645,17.606718,25399
[16:41] <_cr3_> YES! Full sentence retrieved!
[16:42] <_cr3_> Freq 4.068.5 now by the way
[16:42] <Randomskk> aaand another login page
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[16:45] <juxta> not having any luck here _cr3_ :(
[16:45] <juxta> i'm gonna head to bed
[16:45] <juxta> it's just gone 3:15am
[16:45] <_cr3_> Oh man - do! Sleep tight dude and thanks for all the help
[16:45] <juxta> no worries, keep tracking it as best you can :)
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[16:46] <Laurenceb> im going to give up on sparkfun
[16:46] <Laurenceb> so much for the new servers
[16:46] <Laurenceb> https://www.sparkfun.com/account/login?redirect=%2Ffree_day
[16:46] <Laurenceb> maybe
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[16:49] <fsphil> ooh the channel is moderated
[16:49] <DanielRichman> Randomskk: any idea if people have been succesfull in completing the quiz?
[16:49] <DanielRichman> *
[16:49] <DanielRichman> **successful
[16:49] <Randomskk> they said $2/charity per Q
[16:49] <Randomskk> and it looks like charity money is at 0
[16:49] <Randomskk> so mostly loyalty cash?
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[16:50] <DanielRichman> reasonable guess
[16:50] <fsphil> I went for the loyalty option as soon as it came up
[16:50] <jkominar> haven't even been able to get to one question yet .. keeps timing me out and bumping me back to login
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[16:50] <_cr3> Strong enough signal for fldigi to validate the checksums now, it's back on the tracker page
[16:50] <fsphil> that's a heck of a distance
[16:51] <Laurenceb> i got into the quiz, but now it wont load
[16:51] <_cr3> It's still moreorless at the height it was when it begun floating
[16:51] <_cr3> I'll call the SMS tracker tomorrow morning to see if it's landed somewhere with GSM signal
[16:52] <_cr3> We're all very glad we decided not to follow it on the chance it pyroed down now :)
[16:52] <fsphil> it's a long night, what are the odds this thing will float until sunrise?
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[16:53] <Laurenceb> the enveloped tend to be attacked
[16:53] <Laurenceb> by the free radiacals etc
[16:53] <Laurenceb> id expect it to burst soon
[16:53] <Laurenceb> within the next hour
[16:54] <_cr3> Steve R thinks it'll float until tomorrow midday, when the sun will get it
[16:54] <_cr3> Seeing as it's floating again at 25400 metres, it's not going down of its own devices any time soon
[16:55] <Laurenceb> jcoxons floaters have burst at night before
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[16:56] <cr3_> Sorry, wireless dropout
[16:57] <fsphil> I'd love to launch a floater, intentionally
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[17:06] <fsphil> would need some epic tracking though
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[17:12] <NigeyS> evening!
[17:12] Action: NigeyS is skiving :o
[17:12] <Randomskk> still trying to load
[17:13] <NigeyS> hey Randomskk
[17:13] <Randomskk> heya
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[17:15] <NigeyS> ya know, populating an online store with products has to be the most tedious work i've ever done :(
[17:15] <fsphil> I think I made the right choice, though I'd still like to see the questions :)
[17:15] <fsphil> ooh I feel your pain NigeyS
[17:15] <fsphil> the pictures are the worse bit
[17:15] <Randomskk> I'm kinda tempted to just go for my $30 too
[17:15] <NigeyS> it's horrid isnt it, have to do them all from paper info to, no copy paste stuff .. grrrrr!
[17:16] <SpeedEvil> Allegedly once logged in - going to http://www.sparkfun.com/free_day/lump will choose the liump sum
[17:16] <NigeyS> fsphil, images and model numbers.. complete arse! lol
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[17:16] <NigeyS> hey earthshine
[17:17] <NigeyS> its another free day at sparkfun SpeedEvil ?
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[17:18] <SpeedEvil> yes
[17:19] <SpeedEvil> and it's more broken than last time.
[17:19] <SpeedEvil> Which takes skill.
[17:19] <Randomskk> I keep ending up at the account page. :(
[17:20] <SpeedEvil> you need to login
[17:20] <Randomskk> no, the Your Account page
[17:20] <Randomskk> logged in, with my account info
[17:20] <Randomskk> I keep getting logged out too, but can usualyl log in quickly and get the Your Account page, but then it doesn't load the free day stuff
[17:20] <NigeyS> ahh explains why i couldnt get to the site then .. dam :(
[17:21] <SpeedEvil> ah
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[17:26] <Randomskk> still trying. :(
[17:27] <Laurenceb> i managed to log in and try to load the quiz
[17:27] <Laurenceb> but the qiz is dead
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[17:33] <Laurenceb> ooh $10, one question loaded
[17:33] <Randomskk> :O
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[17:37] <Randomskk> damn it. loaded a question page
[17:37] <Randomskk> but can't submit the answer
[17:37] <Laurenceb> im about that far
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[17:41] <Laurenceb> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lxhvn3OJ
[17:41] <Laurenceb> insane
[17:42] <Randomskk> awww no logging in again
[17:47] <SpeedEvil> I got 1 question done
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[17:48] <SpeedEvil> and am trying to submit next
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[17:49] <Laurenceb> any idea how much money is left?
[17:49] <fsphil> half
[17:51] <Laurenceb> this is never going to work
[17:51] <Laurenceb> im going, cya
[17:52] <Randomskk> 50% given out
[17:53] <russss> this is officially harder than getting Glastonbury tickets.
[17:53] <Randomskk> hah
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[18:03] <fsphil> dog walkie time
[18:07] <DanielRichman> free day appears to have finished
[18:07] Action: DanielRichman answered 2 questions only
[18:09] <russss> I got nowt
[18:09] <russss> Glastonbury tickets were easier, I managed to get 6 of them.
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[18:16] <SpeedEvil> I strongly debate the GPS question I got.
[18:16] <SpeedEvil> So I got $17
[18:16] <SpeedEvil> meh
[18:17] <russss> what question?
[18:21] <SpeedEvil> One on GPS
[18:22] <SpeedEvil> I had one on GPS accuracy. 'what has least effect on gps accuracy' - mountains, power supply, user, or rain.
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[18:26] <_cr3> Hey gang, just a huge thanks for suggesting copernicus project to me - I now have a enthusiast in Poland following the signal. Just trying to teach him dl-fldigi over email now ;)
[18:29] <SpeedEvil> :)
[18:29] <SpeedEvil> Great!
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[18:29] <LazyLeopard> Great ;)
[18:29] <SpeedEvil> your thingy is still floating?
[18:30] <_cr3> Oh man yes it is
[18:30] <SpeedEvil> :)
[18:31] <_cr3> It's got all the way to 50.300472,19.090273 at the same altitude as before
[18:31] <_cr3> If it's not in Russia by tomorrow I'll eat my hat ;)
[18:31] <SpeedEvil> Do you own a hat?
[18:31] <_cr3> I'm wearing one right now
[18:31] <_cr3> It's two-inch long black faux fur all over with monkey ears on
[18:31] <SpeedEvil> Hawt.
[18:31] <_cr3> A good comedy hat but a bad meal
[18:32] <_cr3> 21/M/DAS AUTOBAHN
[18:32] <_cr3> :)
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[18:33] <SpeedEvil> So - south of poland?
[18:33] <SpeedEvil> Where did you launch from?
[18:33] <_cr3> Check the path on spacenear.us
[18:33] <SpeedEvil> ah
[18:33] <_cr3> I can never spell the town name correctly, all I know is it's got "slutter" in the middle which is very, very funny and mature.
[18:35] <SpeedEvil> What was the ascent rate?
[18:35] <SpeedEvil> low?
[18:35] <_cr3> It was meant to be 3.5m/s but ended up at around 2.5m/s
[18:35] <_cr3> A software error (we presume) has caused it to float rather than be pyro'd from the balloon
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[18:36] <SpeedEvil> Do you have 'we have cutdown' as a bit - to say that you intended to cutdown?
[18:36] <_cr3> No sir
[18:36] <_cr3> We have the altitude however which was programmed to release at 27k metres
[18:36] <_cr3> So we know that it did exceed 27k, and should have fired at least one pyro
[18:36] <SpeedEvil> hmm. pyro failure can also happen surely?
[18:36] <_cr3> Sure it can
[18:36] <SpeedEvil> Or are ou fairly confident of them?
[18:37] <_cr3> Shouldn't have failed both though
[18:37] <_cr3> Basically here's our situation:
[18:37] <SpeedEvil> did you have FETs driving the cutdowns?
[18:37] <_cr3> No idea, not my board
[18:37] <fsphil> what's the longest float time for a latex balloon?
[18:37] <SpeedEvil> In at least one design I looked at - marginal FETs could cutdown on the ground, but not at -40C
[18:37] <SpeedEvil> Due to shift in Vgs
[18:38] <_cr3> Two pyros, one for releasing planes and one to cut down from balloon. The planes go at 27k metres and the cutdown goes 3 transmission cycles after the planes. We think the float caused the altitude to drop below 27k between those three cycles, causing the second cutdown to not occur due to a bad conditional in the code
[18:38] <SpeedEvil> ow.
[18:38] <SpeedEvil> Planes?
[18:38] <SpeedEvil> This was a big launch then I guess?
[18:38] <_cr3> www.projectspaceplanes.com
[18:38] <_cr3> Oh my yes
[18:38] <_cr3> We are doing it all again tomorrow due to this failure
[18:38] <SpeedEvil> That looks like fun.
[18:39] <_cr3> But with no working SMS tracker on board, so we could be successful but still lose the bugger ;)
[18:39] <SpeedEvil> Do the planes have addresses on?\
[18:39] <_cr3> It's fun when it works, it's not so fun when £500 worth of cameras float off in to poland
[18:39] <_cr3> They have a URL and SD card on
[18:39] <SpeedEvil> ah
[18:39] <_cr3> Each SD contains a message that the general public have uploaded
[18:39] <_cr3> If someone finds one, we'll try to hook them up with whoever recorded the message on their card :)
[18:39] <fsphil> and I thought floating off to yorkshire was bad
[18:40] <SpeedEvil> Looks great - damn shame it's not gone to plan.
[18:40] <_cr3> Here's hoping for tomorrow
[18:40] <_cr3> We have another 100 planes and another (partial) kit to retry
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[18:40] <SpeedEvil> And that it's not shot down by the russians.
[18:40] <_cr3> Yeah we are collectively terrified of Russia
[18:40] <_cr3> And we sure as hell don't have air clearance for Russia
[18:42] <fsphil> I don't think it'll reach russia
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[18:45] <RocketBoy> _cr3: tis me - steve
[18:45] <_cr3_> Hey Steve
[18:45] <_cr3_> Your IRC chaps aren't half handsome and helpful
[18:45] <griffonbot> @nearsys: Completed PPT about soldering. I'll post them online shortly and ask for comments. #ARHAB #robotics [http://twitter.com/nearsys/status/25624553434644480]
[18:46] <_cr3_> We've got a man in Poland setting himself up to receive for us
[18:46] <_cr3_> What radio mode does he require?
[18:46] <_cr3_> He's trying USB, I believe
[18:46] <RocketBoy> 434.075MHz SSB (USB)
[18:46] <_cr3_> Great
[18:47] <_cr3_> The radio last read 4.060.2 when I had signal - what is that in Mhz?
[18:48] <SpeedEvil> 43 first
[18:48] <RocketBoy> yes that 434.0602MHz
[18:48] <_cr3_> Thanks guys - I'll forward USB 434.0602 MHz on to him
[18:49] <SpeedEvil> How long should the tx's bats work?
[18:49] <fsphil> not having much luck with globaltuners
[18:49] <RocketBoy> should last for many hours yet
[18:49] <_cr3_> OK - 24 mins since last successful sentence. Might have a whack with the yagi when we're back at base
[18:50] <_cr3_> Annoyingly there's strong interference (a stable tone broadcast) coming from our launch site that wasn't there earlier - it's right over where I suspect our signal should be
[18:50] <_cr3_> Might have to wait for that to turn off again
[18:50] <RocketBoy> yes - you should get it on that
[18:51] <_cr3_> Okay, nearly died, car back on the road now
[18:51] <RocketBoy> it would certainly be worth tracking it as long as possible on the yagi
[18:52] <_cr3_> Absolutely, hopefully my new polish friend can get dl-fldigi going
[18:53] <RocketBoy> there is also global tuners (radios hooked to the internet all over the world) - I just check to see if there are any nearby
[18:53] <_cr3_> I think fsphil is having a stab at that
[18:54] <fsphil> there's a few but they seem pretty deaf on 70cm
[18:59] <_cr3_> Polish friend has lost signal - shame
[19:00] <fsphil> someone keeps joining are retuning this radio
[19:01] <_cr3_> Are you colliding with Steve possibly?
[19:01] <fsphil> nah, someone from russia
[19:02] <_cr3_> Hah - can't be over russia quite yet, but it would be wonderful if they were trying to get a better signal from hearing it themselves :)
[19:02] <RocketBoy> fsb
[19:02] <_cr3_> I'd better start hiding if it is the FSB :D
[19:06] <_cr3_> OK - arrived at hotel. Chat later.
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[19:06] <fsphil> nah, no luck with globaltuners
[19:10] <fsphil> I'd love to see where this thing lands
[19:12] <RocketBoy> I'd love to know what made it float
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[20:45] <natrium42> eek, that's quite a flightpath
[20:45] <natrium42> is it in international news yet? :P
[20:45] <fsphil> it could still be up
[20:45] <natrium42> germany -> russia?
[20:45] <natrium42> it happened before...
[20:45] <natrium42> where a german landed a plane on the red square
[20:46] <natrium42> XD
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[20:59] <Laurenceb_> http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/A81.jpg
[20:59] <Laurenceb_> what the hell... seriously
[21:02] <Laurenceb_> ridiculous and somewhat phallic
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[21:57] <jcoxon> ping RocketBoy
[21:58] <jcoxon> holy poo thats a long way
[21:59] <fsphil> and it was still going a good bit after that
[21:59] <RocketBoy> yeah - what a pain
[22:00] <RocketBoy> what do you think of the altitude graph?
[22:00] <jcoxon> perfect float
[22:00] <fsphil> interesting that it seemed to be going back up slowly
[22:00] <jcoxon> so it floated before sunset
[22:01] <RocketBoy> yeah - but about 2 hours before
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[22:01] <jcoxon> thats very similar graph to what we've got when we've planned a float
[22:01] <RocketBoy> yeah - thats what I thought
[22:01] <jcoxon> tiny vent perhaps in the balloon
[22:02] <jcoxon> and an equilibrium has been reached?
[22:02] <RocketBoy> perhaps - I was thinking the neck might not have been tied right
[22:02] <jcoxon> still flying?
[22:03] <RocketBoy> and the equivalent of a vent hole
[22:03] <RocketBoy> no idea - where it is now - there is an onboard sms tracker
[22:03] <jcoxon> eek
[22:05] <RocketBoy> it could go on all night
[22:05] <jcoxon> yeah
[22:05] <jcoxon> certaily could
[22:05] <RocketBoy> burst at sunrise
[22:06] <jcoxon> did it go out of range?
[22:06] <RocketBoy> sort of - the guys had been chasing for 5 hours and gave up
[22:07] <RocketBoy> and went back
[22:07] <RocketBoy> so it went out of range that way
[22:08] <natrium42> are there any internet radios in range?
[22:09] <RocketBoy> I had a search round on some of them - nothing
[22:09] <natrium42> :(
[22:09] <jcoxon> might be worth jumping on to #hamradio
[22:09] <jcoxon> that said you lost contact a long time ago
[22:10] <RocketBoy> yeah
[22:10] <jcoxon> some hams in eastern europe have big antennas
[22:10] <jcoxon> RocketBoy, freq?
[22:11] <RocketBoy> 434.0602 was the last
[22:11] <RocketBoy> (434.075 drifted down)
[22:11] <jcoxon> colder now
[22:11] <jcoxon> so more like 434.05
[22:12] <RocketBoy> yeah - probably between .050 and .060
[22:13] <jcoxon> rtty?
[22:13] <jcoxon> in dl-fldigi what do you select?
[22:14] <RocketBoy> icarus
[22:15] <jcoxon> strange - using robs xml then
[22:15] <jcoxon> or is it robs xml :-p
[22:15] <RocketBoy> its robs trackers being used
[22:16] <jcoxon> i see
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[22:30] <Upu> Thanks for the balloons RocketBoy
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[22:46] <fsphil> not long now then Upu
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[22:50] <RocketBoy> Upu: no probs - all part of the service
[22:51] <Upu> yeah just waiting on the parachutes
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[23:05] <SpeedEvil> Sparkfun has a lot of not-bargains.
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[23:05] <SpeedEvil> anyone have a suggestion for what to get with $30 of credit?
[23:05] <SpeedEvil> (neglecting shipping)
[23:05] <Randomskk> mostly I like to order stuff for projects I've already thought up, but I took this as an excuse to get their relatively nice diagonal clippers and wire strippers among other things
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[23:07] <Randomskk> otherwise, fun things generally include zigbee modules, their various biometrics and ID sensors, their stuff in prototyping/general and maybe boards, an avr or arm programmer, graphic LCDs, a dev board for an interesting microprocessor (arduino? msp430? stm32?)
[23:07] <fsphil> I'm tempted to get some El wire, but there's only so much you can do with that :)
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[23:08] <Randomskk> I got some EL wire.
[23:08] <SpeedEvil> $30 - I'm not looking at spending more. :) That way lies madness.
[23:08] <Randomskk> though it does mean my sparkfun order is on backorder
[23:08] <SpeedEvil> yeah - EL wire maybe
[23:08] <Randomskk> because I wanted blue, and their 3V inverter >_>
[23:08] <fsphil> get some blue EL wire and go all TRON
[23:08] <Randomskk> that is roughly one of my plans
[23:08] <fsphil> sweet
[23:08] <Randomskk> so last year I sewed LEDs into my coat
[23:08] <Randomskk> it was cool, but I used normal wire for a lot of the power carrying, and it broke quickly
[23:09] <Randomskk> while it worked, white light pooled around my feet and splashed over the street as I walked
[23:09] <Randomskk> it was quite a cool effect, though I didn't take any photos before it broke due to wires snapping
[23:09] <fsphil> shame, sounds cool
[23:09] <Randomskk> so for v2, I am using all conductive thread and sewing each LED individually so the resistance isn't such a big deal. I also have thicker thread.
[23:10] <Randomskk> it also means I can sequence the LEDs, which could be very fun. lets me kind of do a flicker effect or otherwise play with the light
[23:10] <fsphil> I wonder if you could get a fabric that glows
[23:10] <Randomskk> but I'm also getting the avr+el controller board, so I can rig up el wire around my coat too
[23:11] <Randomskk> oh whaaaat.
[23:12] <Randomskk> I didn't know sparkfun carried the open workbench logic sniffer
[23:12] <Randomskk> bugger. I've been waiting for seeed to get that back in stock, but just placed an order from sparkfun.
[23:12] <Randomskk> oh well. some other time.
[23:13] <fsphil> el-wire antenna
[23:14] <fsphil> nah
[23:15] <SpeedEvil> A yagi that flashes as you get more signal
[23:15] <SpeedEvil> pointed correctly, all the elements light up
[23:15] <fsphil> ooooh
[23:16] <Randomskk> that would be fun
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[23:18] <fsphil> maybe some UV leds, make a small pcb exposure box
[23:21] <Randomskk> pcb exposure is probably done better with uv tubes though, and they're relatively readily available
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[23:21] <fsphil> true
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[23:26] <fsphil> what's the range of rfid these days. any good for finding payloads?
[23:26] <SpeedEvil> Active RFID - maybe
[23:26] <SpeedEvil> that can have ranges of ~30m - with a powered tag
[23:27] <fsphil> mmm not too good then. was thinking of passive -- something that would be happy to sit for months in a field
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[23:32] <staylo> I guess Swampy would weigh too much? (Fairly passive and willing to sit for months in a field) ;)
[23:34] <fsphil> would need fed too
[23:34] <jcoxon> back
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[23:34] <fsphil> wb!
[23:34] <Randomskk> hey jcoxon
[23:34] <Randomskk> how's picoatlas going?
[23:34] <jcoxon> and i'm on leave now till tues
[23:35] <Randomskk> :D nice
[23:35] <jcoxon> pico atlas hardware is finished
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[23:35] <jcoxon> and software is flight worthy
[23:35] Action: Randomskk is trying to get his head back around how best to do couchdb views for things
[23:35] <Randomskk> excellent
[23:35] <Randomskk> the software looks really well done. excellently commented and really clear.
[23:35] <jcoxon> hope the wiki helps
[23:35] <jcoxon> i spent quite a bit of time on it
[23:35] <jcoxon> the software has evolved over the last year
[23:36] <jcoxon> so now its really easy to adapt
[23:36] <Randomskk> nice
[23:36] <natrium42> when's launch?
[23:36] <Randomskk> I guess having tinygps helps
[23:36] <jcoxon> yes indeed
[23:36] <jcoxon> natrium42, perhaps monday
[23:37] <jcoxon> Randomskk, these 91cm foil balloons are massive
[23:37] <jcoxon> they'll be perfect
[23:37] <Randomskk> excellent
[23:38] <jcoxon> the only issue is that it looks a bit windy
[23:38] <natrium42> cool
[23:40] <jcoxon> ideally i'd like to get this back
[23:40] <natrium42> lol
[23:41] <jcoxon> he sent an email recently so he must be alive
[23:41] <jcoxon> right need to design a lightweight cutdown
[23:42] <jonsowman> code looks great jcoxon
[23:44] <jcoxon> jonsowman, hopefully now we just point people to this
[23:45] <jonsowman> yep :) how's the hardware looking?
[23:45] <jcoxon> pretty solid
[23:45] <jonsowman> :D
[23:45] <jonsowman> great
[23:46] <jcoxon> not sure if i should dump the radio modem
[23:47] <fsphil> I'd keep it for a safer flight
[23:47] <jonsowman> causing problems?
[23:48] <jcoxon> my only concern is this could be a one way flight
[23:48] <fsphil> also a higher flight, it would be great to test the 800mhz stuff at a really high altitude
[23:48] <jcoxon> yeah
[23:49] <jcoxon> a nice up down
[23:49] <jcoxon> perhaps pegasus VII SSTV
[23:49] <fsphil> ooh I'd like to try the sstv again, the vertical just didn't cut it last time
[23:50] <fsphil> can take the yagi out
[23:51] <jcoxon> yeah
[23:51] <jcoxon> save it for that
[23:52] <fsphil> is it all working now?
[23:52] <fsphil> the radio modem
[23:52] <jcoxon> it worked before
[23:52] <jcoxon> the at commands are still being troublesome
[23:53] <NigeyS> meep
[23:53] <fsphil> narf
[23:53] <NigeyS> hey phil
[23:54] <fsphil> stopped raining yet over yonder?
[23:56] <NigeyS> for a while, gives the landing wall time to dry out a bit i guess :(
[23:57] <fsphil> jcoxon, from the string extractor, "rx_buff.length() > 16384" .. any point keeping this so high? it stopped the frequency tracker working
[23:58] <jcoxon> i think thats from the old days
[23:59] <fsphil> I think it was less, but one of the payloads had a really long string
[23:59] <fsphil> apex?
[23:59] <jcoxon> that wasn't it
[23:59] <jcoxon> the apex issue was another check we had on the string
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