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[00:17] <Darkside> ok
[00:18] <Darkside> im in a car, chasing a BOM balloon
[00:18] <Darkside> lawl
[00:22] <SpeedEvil> BOM?
[00:23] <Darkside> bureauof meteorology
[00:23] <Darkside> i.e. a real weather balloon
[00:27] <SpeedEvil> ah
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[01:10] <Darkside> BOM balloon has almost landed
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[02:12] <Darkside> Horus about to launch
[02:15] <natrium42> yay
[02:21] <Darkside> launch
[02:21] <Darkside> 4m/s ascent
[02:21] <Darkside> about
[02:21] <shenki> woosh, up it goes
[02:21] <Darkside> we're almost at theBOMballoo
[02:25] <shenki> what's up with the prediction? the balloon is going 90 degreees to where it should be
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[02:38] <Darkside> hey juxta-chasecar
[02:38] <Darkside> we're closingin on the BOM balloom
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[05:30] <natrium42> where is the blue car going?
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[05:39] <natrium42> landed, nice
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[07:13] <Darkside> payoad retrieved
[07:13] <Darkside> http://yfrog.com/h8yofmj
[07:13] <Darkside> driving home
[07:13] <Darkside> :P
[07:17] <natrium42> cool
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[09:49] <fsphil> anyone catch the partial eclipse? total cloud cover here
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[10:11] <eroomde> fsphil: same
[10:11] <eroomde> all i can see right now is a man from autoglass repairing my car window
[10:14] <fsphil> that's something at least :)
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[11:16] <earthshine> morning
[11:18] <fsphil> mornin'
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[11:39] <perseus> anybody launched a balloon recently?
[11:40] <fsphil> there was a launch in aussy land last night
[11:42] <perseus> oh, how did it go?
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[12:07] <fsphil> seems to have gone well
[12:09] <perseus> did anybody ever tried to track a balloon with the AOR AR8200 handheld scanner?
[12:11] <fsphil> Not sure about the AR8200, but the AR8000 is listed in the tracking guide
[12:12] <fsphil> the little yaesu radios seem to be the rig of choice at the moment
[12:14] <perseus> thanks fsphil, unfortunately the AR8200 is the only radio I currently have
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[12:17] <fsphil> stupid X
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[12:40] <Darkside> juxta: awake?
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[13:52] <n0sebl33d> Hi hi hi !
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[13:53] <m1x10> Hi hi hi !
[14:06] <fsphil> 'ello'ello'ello
[14:06] <m1x10> :p
[14:07] <m1x10> How's going philosopher?
[14:09] <fsphil> back at work, fun fun fun :p
[14:09] <fsphil> you?
[14:10] <m1x10> ah, work!
[14:10] <m1x10> me home
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[14:10] <m1x10> will sleep here tonight and next morning im going back!
[14:13] <earthshine> Cool - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12110386
[14:18] <m1x10> fsphil: how's the dog? :P
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[16:00] <m1x10> Where is everybody/
[16:00] <m1x10> ?
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[16:02] Action: fsphil is sorting out helium
[16:03] <fsphil> likely everyone else is working, or sleeping :)
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[16:11] <m1x10> mhh
[16:11] <m1x10> We have some kind of strikes here
[16:11] <m1x10> and I cant get my 2 orders
[16:12] Action: m1x10 's country fails
[16:13] <m1x10> fsphil: i should write FAIL or FAILS?
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[16:13] <m1x10> mixio's country fail?
[16:13] <fsphil> either way works :)
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[16:15] <fsphil> every country fails in some way
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[16:21] <m1x10> :p
[16:21] <Upu-> Working m1x10
[16:21] <Upu-> and my Helium is actually £80 per cylinder fsphil
[16:21] Nick change: Upu- -> Upu
[16:22] <fsphil> Upu: from isgroup? I've just fired an email at them
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[16:22] <Upu> BoC I think
[16:22] <fsphil> yea they seem to be a BOC dealer
[16:22] <fsphil> I wonder where they get the £33.65 from then
[16:24] <Upu> I lost the URL
[16:24] <Upu> did I post it here ?
[16:24] <fsphil> http://www.isgroupplc.com/content/helium-gas-cylinder-t-size
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[16:25] <m1x10> ah thats a nice solution
[16:25] <m1x10> can u order it like that?
[16:25] <fsphil> they seem to be trade-only
[16:25] <fsphil> I might have to talk nicely to my boss ;)
[16:25] <m1x10> what do u mean by that?
[16:26] <fsphil> they only sell to businesses
[16:26] <m1x10> it contains helium ?
[16:26] <fsphil> mostly
[16:26] <m1x10> what do u mean by mostly?
[16:26] <Upu> interesting well I'll take that down and see why there is £40 more when I speak to the depot on the phone
[16:27] <fsphil> the guys I was going to get it from last time quoted me about £80 too
[16:27] <fsphil> even boc quoted me £80ish
[16:28] <m1x10> fsphil: mostly?
[16:28] <fsphil> although the guy at the depot said that florests and the like get a great discount
[16:28] <fsphil> m1x10: it's not pure helium, there's some air in it too
[16:28] <fsphil> pure helium is very expensive
[16:28] <Upu> I'll speak to them going have a chat tommorrow probably
[16:28] <Upu> parachute is on the way from USA anyway
[16:29] <Upu> and balloons are somewhere
[16:29] <Upu> ----/\
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[16:29] <Upu> no launch location either yet
[16:33] <fsphil> have you applied for a notam? or are you hoping rob gets the perminant notam?
[16:34] <m1x10> fsphil: the balloons the people here fill contain pure helium ?
[16:35] <russss> m1x10: "balloon gas", same stuff used for party balloons
[16:35] <russss> actual pure helium is a lot more expensive for ~1% more lift
[16:35] <fsphil> m1x10: I hope not :) it's overkill -- balloon gas has a little bit of air in it, but not enough to be a problem
[16:35] <Upu> waiting for a response from Rob atm
[16:35] <Upu> The Cambridge people said I could launch from there as long as one of them was present
[16:36] <fsphil> long way though
[16:36] <Upu> yeah would prefer York
[16:36] <fsphil> I was tempted to try launching my own in cambridge after the first attempt at getting a notam -- but for whatever reason they where much quicker the second time
[16:37] <m1x10> ok, I didnt know that!
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[16:38] <fsphil> still waiting on the third though :)
[16:38] <fsphil> hoping it doesn't snow this time
[16:39] <m1x10> Now comes a critical question. Do I need to place the humidity and pressure sensors outside the payload or they can 'sense' inside the payload?
[16:41] <Upu> pressure yes
[16:41] <Upu> humidity I suspect needs to be exposed to the atmosphere
[16:41] <Upu> pressure unless your box is air tight inside :)
[16:44] <m1x10> cause I plan to place the humid sensor straight on the pcb rather than have it with some wires somewhere else.
[16:45] <Upu> well depends if you are measuring the humitidy by the PC
[16:45] <Upu> but surely humidity won't register much up there anyway
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[16:50] <jcoxon> evening all
[16:51] <m1x10> Hi
[16:51] <fsphil> g'day
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[16:59] <m1x10> Upu: for a gas sensor? should It stay out ?
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[17:07] <Zuph> ping jcoxon
[17:07] <jcoxon> hey
[17:08] <Zuph> Delayed until when we feel good enough about our stuff to dump $2000 worth of work into the ocean :(
[17:08] <jcoxon> eek
[17:08] <Zuph> Almost everything is very close to done, but there are a lot of little "everythings"
[17:08] <jcoxon> sensible though
[17:08] <fsphil> good move, but also .. awww :)
[17:09] <Zuph> For this launch, our satellite modem controller still isn't playing fair, our launch site is waffling around, WB8ELK wants more time for his transmitter, and we are not sure if we feel good enough about our Caviezel balloons to dangle that much money off one.
[17:09] <Zuph> We've decided to float the launch date, with no less than a 7 day notice.
[17:10] <SpeedEvil> how much are the balloons, and how much is He?
[17:11] <Zuph> He charged us $300 per balloon.
[17:11] <SpeedEvil> that is a lot.
[17:11] <SpeedEvil> Is this a very massive payload?
[17:11] <Zuph> Nope, 12 lbs at launch
[17:11] <Zuph> It's an FAR part 101 exempt balloon.
[17:12] <Zuph> He's the only ZP Manufacturer that will sell to us, though.
[17:12] <Zuph> The others won't due to insurance liability.
[17:12] <jcoxon> Zuph, hehe no worries - means i've got a free weekend now
[17:12] <Zuph> :)
[17:12] <jcoxon> its not the easiest balloon challenge
[17:13] <Zuph> jcoxon: Hopefully we didn't get in the way of anything. From the sound of it, you deserve a free weekend :-p
[17:13] <jcoxon> sort of feel that perhaps you guys would benefit from a practice launch
[17:13] <jcoxon> of just the balloon and a simple payload
[17:13] <Zuph> We did that back in October with a latex balloon.
[17:14] <jcoxon> oh i mean a zp
[17:14] <Zuph> And we did a test inflation of an old SNOX balloon inside the hackerspace in November. Filled it with just enough helium to lift the unladen envelope.
[17:14] <jcoxon> whole different ball game
[17:14] <Zuph> ah
[17:14] <Zuph> yeah
[17:14] <jcoxon> fair enough
[17:15] <jcoxon> keep us up to date - we'll be ready...
[17:15] <Zuph> Will do :)
[17:15] <Zuph> We're still excited, despite the delays.
[17:16] <Zuph> Re: ZP Envelopes, NSC seemed really interested in selling us some balloons until they talked to their insurance company :-p
[17:17] <Zuph> We're under NDA for pricing info, but they would have been cheap enough that we would have gone with them in a heartbeat compared to Global Western's balloons.
[17:17] <SpeedEvil> Why did the insurance company barf?
[17:17] <jcoxon> yeah, i understand
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[17:18] <jcoxon> hooray our gpsbees are in the air currently to gatwick
[17:18] <Zuph> SpeedEvil: They were afraid of liability issues if a plane hit one of their envelopes which they willingly sold to a group of "amateurs."
[17:19] <SpeedEvil> ah
[17:20] <Zuph> heh, as more and more of the jetstream season passes us by, Dan and I are getting more and more excited about figuring out how to make our own envelopes, and open sourcing plans, techniques, materials, test data, etc.
[17:20] <jcoxon> Zuph, well the cambridge guys have done it
[17:20] <jcoxon> they are the ones to talk with
[17:20] <Zuph> They have a website?
[17:21] <jcoxon> google cu spaceflight
[17:21] <jcoxon> can't grab the link currently
[17:22] <jonsowman> www.cuspaceflight.co.uk
[17:24] <jcoxon> Zuph, edmoore/eroomde is probably the most experienced in constructing them
[17:24] <jcoxon> after mark of course
[17:29] <m1x10> http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/mama-shield-p-731.html?cPath=132_134&zenid=1907974c002bc9df4fd5c3a91d9a18e3
[17:30] <russss> wtf
[17:30] <russss> madness
[17:30] <m1x10> haha
[17:31] <Zuph> Those CU spaceflight guys have done almost exactly what we want to do. Wish they had documented the tools and process better, though :-p
[17:32] <jcoxon> just need to ask them
[17:32] <jcoxon> they are key part of ukhas
[17:34] <m1x10> http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/isslivestream.asx
[17:34] <russss> also: IANAL, but for a manufacturer to be liable for what their balloon does when it's in someone else's hands is almost certainly ridiculous paranoia.
[17:35] <SpeedEvil> In america, it is typical to sue everyone involved however peripherally in an accident
[17:35] <Zuph> russss: Oh, that's what we think, and that's what the sales rep from NSC thought, but that's not what their insurance company thought.
[17:38] <russss> that makes me want to punch someone in the face
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[17:38] <russss> do you have any insurance? Can you tell your insurer to tell their insurer to fuck off?
[17:39] <Zuph> We have liability insurance on our workspace and the things contained therein.
[17:39] <Zuph> We looked into insurance for our ballooning activities, though, and the cheapest quote we got was $7500 a year for $500,000 of liability.
[17:39] <Zuph> In fact, it was the only quote we got under 6 figures.
[17:39] <russss> youch
[17:39] <Zuph> Yeah
[17:39] <russss> CUSF had insurance for less than that
[17:40] <russss> I think
[17:40] <russss> $500k is stupid low
[17:40] <Zuph> Yeah
[17:40] <Zuph> You should have seen the quote for more liability :)
[17:40] <Zuph> We couldn't find an underwriter who would deal with something as "uncommon" as amateur ballooning.
[17:41] <Zuph> We even contacted all the local, regional and national hot air balloon and rocketry groups, and none of *their* insurers would talk to us.
[17:41] <russss> that's a bit stupid
[17:41] <russss> usually there's a specialist insurer who will have a go at these things
[17:41] <russss> it's just a case of finding them
[17:43] <Zuph> Lloyd's of London would talk to us, but their quote was $250,000+ :-p
[17:43] <russss> Has anyone had any contact with the FAI? Maybe they could help.
[17:43] <SpeedEvil> zuph: impressive!
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[17:45] <SpeedEvil> I wonder if anyones tried balloons to smuggle with before
[17:45] <russss> as I understand Lloyds, unless you have a broker who knows you're competent and is on your side, they will just throw silly numbers at you.
[17:45] <russss> you could probably insure a fucking satellite for $250k
[17:45] <jcoxon> right - how are we going to fill our weekends now :-)
[17:45] <jcoxon> we haven't had a uk launch in quite a whil
[17:46] <jcoxon> e
[17:46] <Zuph> russss: That's our understanding as well. We couldn't find a broker, though :-p
[17:46] <SpeedEvil> who knows you're competent, and understands the risk.
[17:46] <SpeedEvil> Gaining a proper understanding of the risk of a ZP balloon would involve some significant research.
[17:46] <Zuph> absolutely
[17:47] <SpeedEvil> during which time they could be writing policies for slightly less rare stuff they understand
[17:48] <jcoxon> bbiab
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[17:48] <Zuph> One of the huge "loose ends" we need to tie up for our project is to write a safety manual.
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[17:51] <russss> this guy keeps getting more awesome http://www.astrosurf.com/legault/eclipse110104_solar_transit_33.jpg
[17:52] <SpeedEvil> Some people are just too awesome.
[17:53] <SpeedEvil> Have you seen the woodgears guy?
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[18:06] <SpeedEvil> http://woodgears.ca/pantorouter/index.html - I know if I tried making that, I'd end up with a powered router flying through the air.
[18:15] <Nigey|Away> rar
[18:15] Nick change: Nigey|Away -> Nigey
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[18:18] <fsphil> "powered router flying through the air" -- I was expecting a netgear with wings or something :)
[18:20] <Nigey> ffs
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[18:50] <m1x10> russss: very cool pic
[18:50] <m1x10> after a couple of minutes i realised that ISS exists there !
[18:51] <russss> m1x10: also on this one you can see Atlantis docked to the ISS: http://www.astrosurf.com/legault/iss_atlantis_transit2_2010.jpg
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[18:58] <m1x10> russss: lol
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[19:14] <jcoxon> interestingly the NC pins on teh fsa03 are usb lines
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[19:30] <fsphil> usb? are they useable?
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[19:30] <jcoxon> in theory
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[19:55] <Laurenceb_> hi
[19:56] <Laurenceb_> lol @ the mama sheild
[19:56] <jcoxon> a little excessive
[19:57] Action: Laurenceb_ is considering ordering IR lamp modules
[19:57] <Laurenceb_> im just slightly owrried about hot spots - how uniform the heat is
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[19:58] <jcoxon> Laurenceb_, have you fixed your dl-fldigi modifications?
[19:58] <Laurenceb_> wonderng if the converction inside such a small "oven" will be enough to eaven it out
[19:58] <Laurenceb_> jcoxon: yes, all done now
[19:59] <Laurenceb_> the new "stream" button can be turned on off without issue
[20:00] <jcoxon> do you still want me to pull it into the main distro or happy to keep a version yourself?
[20:00] <jcoxon> i'm not sure how useful the feature will be in hte main version of dl-fldigi
[20:00] <Laurenceb_> might as well pull it - id be useful for other things
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[20:00] <jcoxon> hehe
[20:00] <Laurenceb_> as it works with flac as well
[20:00] <Laurenceb_> so e.g. relay flac over a lan
[20:01] <jcoxon> okay will have a play with it
[20:01] <Laurenceb_> basically at the moment its only practical to replay saved files
[20:02] <Laurenceb_> due to the time delays being slightly off
[20:02] <Laurenceb_> so ive added a new option that avoids the nanosleep delays
[20:03] <Laurenceb_> also playback can occasionally cause a hang atm
[20:03] <Laurenceb_> thats been fixed with a mutex
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[20:17] <SpeedEvil> pulseaudio would in principle be interesting to integrate
[20:17] <SpeedEvil> but...
[20:17] <SpeedEvil> For the network streaming stuff.
[20:18] <SpeedEvil> But nobody knows how to set it up
[20:19] <Laurenceb_> hmm yeah actually it has pulseaudio support
[20:20] <Laurenceb_> its grayed out for some reason
[20:25] <GW8RAK> Evening. I've been clearing out my books and have a number of ARRL Radio Handbooks going foc. Just postage to pay. Is anyone interested?
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[20:36] <Laurenceb_> looks like id need a pulseaudio deamon running for it to be enabled
[20:36] <Laurenceb_> wav through a pipe is maybe easier - just have to find it on the file system to connect
[20:37] <fsphil> it should be possible to connect pulseaudio between machines without involving fldigi at all
[20:37] <Laurenceb_> i was thinking for SDR -> fldigi
[20:38] <Laurenceb_> atm im using a named pipe with wav format
[20:38] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: It is - even over the network - if you understand pulseaudio
[20:38] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[20:39] <fsphil> SpeedEvil, I don't :) I tried it once, to get my laptop audio on the desktop PC but failed massively
[20:39] <Laurenceb_> fldigi manual is talking about avoiding a pulseaudio deamon by connecting to JACK with portaudio
[20:39] <Laurenceb_> im confused
[20:39] <fsphil> it might be easier to make an alsa driver :)
[20:39] <Laurenceb_> eek
[20:39] <Laurenceb_> *it might be easier to pipe wav
[20:40] <Laurenceb_> just a load of u16
[20:40] <fsphil> ah but with alsa, any app could use it
[20:40] <Laurenceb_> i guess
[20:43] <natrium42> o/
[20:44] <Lunar_Lander> hello natrium42
[20:48] <Laurenceb_> hmf JACK is supposed to use a patched low latency kernel
[20:49] <natrium42> hi Lunar_Lander
[20:49] <Lunar_Lander> does anybody know how Horus 13 went?
[20:50] <natrium42> it was retrieved
[20:50] <Lunar_Lander> that is good
[20:56] <natrium42> Lunar_Lander: take me to the moon
[20:57] <natrium42> let me sing among those stars
[20:57] <Lunar_Lander> yeah :)
[20:57] <m1x10> I hear some noise
[20:57] <Lunar_Lander> do you know Dilana Smith natrium42
[21:00] <Lunar_Lander> kalispera m1x10
[21:01] <Lunar_Lander> natrium42 ?
[21:04] <m1x10> Lunar_Lander: lol
[21:04] <m1x10> I must go! back to hell again!
[21:04] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[21:04] <Lunar_Lander> see you
[21:04] <m1x10> new pics are coming soon :p
[21:05] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[21:05] <m1x10> bye all
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[21:07] <SpeedEvil> Oh - I love people that don't get physics.
[21:07] <SpeedEvil> http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2zowv1h&s=7
[21:07] <SpeedEvil> schematic of POV display by someone over on ##electronics
[21:07] <SpeedEvil> The LED strip goes round the belts at 200m/s.
[21:07] <Randomskk> they apparently do get exciting 3d modellers
[21:08] <Randomskk> 200m/s eh
[21:08] <SpeedEvil> The accelleration round the pulleys is ~8000G
[21:09] <Randomskk> :D
[21:09] <Randomskk> good thing LEDs are solid state right
[21:09] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[22:18] <jcoxon> evening again
[22:19] <Randomskk> hiya
[22:19] <jcoxon> i'm trying to rescucitate a fsa03 with a patch antenna
[22:19] <jcoxon> its giving a nmea stream
[22:20] <jcoxon> just no sats :-(
[22:20] <Randomskk> :-(
[22:20] <Upu> power to antenna ?
[22:20] <Randomskk> I got some pcbs back from seeed that had a whole section of copper missing
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[22:20] <jcoxon> Upu, so i removed the broken helical antenna
[22:20] <Randomskk> also the edges were routed inconsistently between two sets of pcbs. the ones with the edges right had the copper missing, the ones with the edges wrong had the copper right
[22:20] <jcoxon> and then connected a patch
[22:21] <Upu> ok because when that happened to me it was because I'd not put +v to the antenna which the chip I use needs
[22:21] <Zuph> Randomskk: That's no good to hear. I just ordered a bunch of PCBs from Seeed after seeing so many good results from others.
[22:21] <jcoxon> Randomskk, oh dear
[22:21] <Randomskk> Zuph: mostly they are fine, I think I know what was to blame
[22:21] <jcoxon> Zuph, yeah my set were fine
[22:21] <Randomskk> I've had many sets with no problems
[22:22] <Randomskk> the edges here were circular though
[22:22] <Nigey> speaking of which, did you post the pcbs yet jcoxon ? :p
[22:22] <Randomskk> and basically they got confused between what the edge should be - it is very much as though two board houses made half the order each
[22:22] <jcoxon> Randomskk, oh your gps bee is on a plane
[22:22] <jcoxon> Nigey, i tried to - but they closed the post office early due to too many people sending christmas stuff
[22:22] <Nigey> lol oh eck, no worries
[22:22] <Randomskk> so one of them is right, the other seems to have taken the mill layer as an outside guide and gone too wide
[22:22] <jcoxon> and they haven't really been open since / i haven't been free
[22:22] <jcoxon> i'm really sorrt
[22:23] <jcoxon> sorry*
[22:23] <Nigey> not a problem, there's no rush
[22:24] <jcoxon> Upu, it might be a ground problem actually
[22:24] <Upu> well I misread the datasheet
[22:24] <jcoxon> oh i mean my issue
[22:25] <Upu> yeah I know :)
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[22:25] <Upu> got gas , got parachute, got balloons all on order
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[22:25] <Upu> got some fish scales from Tea Leaf bay
[22:26] <Upu> just waiting to see if Rob has a NOTAM for York now
[22:27] <jonsowman> haven't seen rob around for ages
[22:27] <jcoxon> i think he has been busy with real life
[22:28] <jonsowman> ah
[22:28] <Upu> yeah
[22:31] Nick change: Nigey -> Nigey|Away
[22:31] <jcoxon> ublox gps modules tease you on restart
[22:31] <jcoxon> as they pretend to have some satelittes but don't!
[22:49] <Laurenceb_> any idea how to get dl-fldig to ungray the pulseaudio checkbox?
[22:49] <jcoxon> Laurenceb_, compile it in?
[22:50] <DanielRichman> Laurenceb_: O/S ?
[22:50] <Laurenceb_> yeah maybe you have to..
[22:50] <Laurenceb_> ubuntu 10.04lts
[22:50] <DanielRichman> check the output of configure
[22:50] <DanielRichman> should say pulseaudio ..... yes
[22:51] <Laurenceb_> pulseaudio .................. no
[22:52] <Laurenceb_> under build options
[22:52] <Laurenceb_> how do i add to the build options?
[22:53] <SpeedEvil> ./configure --yes-I-want-pulseaudio
[22:53] <SpeedEvil> dunno
[22:54] <SpeedEvil> something like that?
[22:54] <Laurenceb_> something yes :P
[22:54] Action: Laurenceb_ delves into the documentation
[23:00] <DanielRichman> Laurenceb_: configure *should* automatically detect pulseaudio
[23:01] <DanielRichman> - my fldigi auto builds without any command line flags, and has pulseaudio
[23:01] <DanielRichman> you will need the pulse dev libs. Try `apt-get build-dep fldigi`
[23:01] <DanielRichman> and see if you get anything new
[23:02] <jcoxon> eek!
[23:03] <jcoxon> $GPGSV,1,1,02,16,,,26,18,,,26*75
[23:04] <Laurenceb_> yeah, compiling now
[23:05] <jcoxon> might have actually got some sort of antenna working
[23:05] <Laurenceb_> did you try reflowing the solder on the previous antenna?
[23:06] <jcoxon> with my iron i tried a bit
[23:06] <jcoxon> but the ground connectors are tiny tiny
[23:08] <Laurenceb_> so... how do i shove audio samples into pulseaudio
[23:10] <natrium42> what what in the pulseaudio
[23:11] <jcoxon> time!
[23:11] Action: jcoxon has resurected his fsa03
[23:12] <jonsowman> :)
[23:12] <eroomde> jcoxon: http://i.imgur.com/7rMg4.jpg
[23:12] <jcoxon> yummy
[23:12] <eroomde> nerding that finished with an edible product has a certain satisfaction
[23:12] <eroomde> flight computers are too crunchy
[23:12] <jcoxon> eroomde, hows tricks
[23:12] <jcoxon> ?
[23:12] <eroomde> good. moving to cam on fri
[23:12] <jcoxon> oh cool
[23:13] <eroomde> just preparing otherwise
[23:13] <jcoxon> we need to launch the super-pressure...
[23:13] <eroomde> going to pop over to a friend's houe in a bit to eat the bread and some cheese
[23:13] <eroomde> we do - I think the next week could be tricky for me
[23:14] <jcoxon> nah 2 or 3 weekends time
[23:14] <jcoxon> i've got one of those arduino films on order
[23:14] <jcoxon> + this fsa03 + radiometrix
[23:14] <eroomde> 22nd might be out for me too
[23:14] <jcoxon> super light
[23:14] <eroomde> (ex's bday)
[23:15] <eroomde> that sounds rather nice
[23:15] <jcoxon> i've got annual leave 14 - 18 jan
[23:15] <eroomde> (the flight comptuer)
[23:15] <eroomde> ok, that weekend could be a ood option
[23:16] <jcoxon> lets see how it goes
[23:16] <jcoxon> can be pretty flexible
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[23:19] <fsphil> anyone recommend a decent pair of noise-cancelling headphones? I got a set from maplin but they're naff
[23:19] <eroomde> actively cancelling or isolating?
[23:20] <fsphil> active
[23:20] <eroomde> well, I've tried a pair of senheisers (sp?) and the marketed-to-death bose ones
[23:21] <eroomde> they were both pretty good but I the sennheisers were more comfy on my big head
[23:21] <eroomde> couldn't hear the tractor mower going past outside my window in college with them on. never flew with them
[23:21] <fsphil> that's pretty good
[23:21] <eroomde> my only advice is: don't listen to your ham radio with them. you start hearing things in white noise and gradually go mad
[23:21] <jcoxon> i hear rtty everywhere
[23:22] <fsphil> haha
[23:22] <eroomde> i know, right? it's a madenning affliction
[23:22] <jcoxon> i really do
[23:22] <eroomde> i honestly hear 300hz warbling the whole time
[23:22] <jcoxon> so many hours searching for signals in white noise
[23:22] <fsphil> I was watching wall-e the other day, and I swore I heard dominoex a few times
[23:22] <jcoxon> come on one more sat
[23:22] <fsphil> the headphones I got are the Pro-Luxe NC-4 - when I turn it on things just sound tinny
[23:22] <jcoxon> then i can go to bead
[23:23] <jcoxon> bed*
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[23:24] <eroomde> fsphil: for audio quality, as well really as not hearing the outside world, i've found the isolating ear canal phones to be a lot better
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[23:26] <fsphil> yer, I might have to try them
[23:26] <jcoxon> 2 bad things to do, listen for rtty in white noise and watch nmea streams
[23:27] <fsphil> listening for rtty in the noise, in an attic with spiders
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