highaltitude.log.20101225

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[07:16] <m1x10> Good morning!
[07:17] <DagoRed> nothing good about it
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[07:19] <m1x10> ah, why
[07:20] <DagoRed> You never saw that movie did you?
[07:20] <m1x10> no :)
[07:21] <DagoRed> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZBbQm1avEY
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[07:24] <DagoRed> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6m44-aTXMNA
[07:25] <m1x10> DagoRed you like soldier experience?
[07:25] <m1x10> Hi fsphil
[07:29] <DagoRed> I miss it a bit.
[07:30] <DagoRed> I used to get sent to boot camp in middle school and high school
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[09:26] <jcoxon> morning, merry christmas
[09:27] <m1x10> Hello !
[09:27] <m1x10> merry xmas too :)
[09:32] <m1x10> ping fsphil
[09:33] <m1x10> fsphil: I try to use NewSoftSerial to read the GPS rx/tx from sanguino but arduino does not compile it :(
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[09:55] <m1x10> Ok, I can use hardware serial. But then I wont have a way to upload my programs OR even get debug messages from arduino console :(
[09:55] <m1x10> I am desparate again!
[10:03] <m1x10> fsphil: you dont use a hardware serial for console messages. Ok. Then how you print any debug messages when you write new code?
[10:04] <Upu> I did a software serial and outputted to that
[10:04] <m1x10> Upu you use arduino ?
[10:04] <Upu> yeah
[10:04] <m1x10> but you upload code ?
[10:04] <Upu> in fact you can program and use the hardware serial for debug
[10:05] <m1x10> but how you upload code ?
[10:05] <Upu> yeah just upload and once its running open the serial monitor
[10:05] <Upu> I use an Arduino Decimalovo and the Arduino software
[10:05] <Upu> once uploaded you can open serial monitor
[10:05] <m1x10> the serial monitor of arduino IDE listens to uart0 of the mcu
[10:06] <Upu> before it programs it the reset pin is pulled low (high?) so it knows its going be programmed
[10:07] <Upu> otherwise it just works like a serial port so you can do diagnostics
[10:07] <m1x10> yes i know that
[10:07] <m1x10> but what it has to do with that?
[10:07] <Upu> So you are plugged in via USB to COMX
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[10:07] <m1x10> yes i have a usb2ttl thing
[10:07] <Upu> upload the sketch
[10:08] <Upu> then when it runs you can open the serial monitor
[10:08] <Upu> get diagnostics // Serial.println("AVA Flight computer V0.1 initiated");
[10:08] <Upu> Works for me ?
[10:08] <m1x10> yes
[10:08] <m1x10> but i need that uart0
[10:08] <Upu> for what ?
[10:08] <m1x10> to rx/tx the gps
[10:09] <Upu> oh software serial :)
[10:09] <m1x10> yes, but softserial is not working on atmega644p
[10:09] <Upu> whats your mail address I'll send you my sketch
[10:09] <Upu> oh
[10:09] <Upu> thats an issue then
[10:09] <Upu> that a fault with the chip ?
[10:09] <Upu> plug in some LEDs and use them for diagnostics
[10:10] <m1x10> my mcu works at 14mhz or 7.3mhz which either are not supported frequencies by softserials
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[10:10] <Upu> ah making it complex :)
[10:10] <Upu> LEDS
[10:10] <m1x10> no man, I need text messages, its not that easy
[10:10] <m1x10> i need to do parsing
[10:10] <Upu> transmit the messages ? :)
[10:10] <m1x10> how? where?
[10:11] <Upu> no radio module ?
[10:11] <m1x10> lol
[10:11] <m1x10> you go far now
[10:11] <m1x10> :P
[10:11] <Upu> lol
[10:11] <Upu> can't you make it run at a frequency that works
[10:11] <m1x10> I also have an SPI programmer connected to the mcu, dunno if that helps somehow.
[10:11] <Upu> also you could amend the software serial to work at your frequency ?
[10:11] <Upu> probably not
[10:12] <Upu> anyway you do know it's Christmas yeah ?
[10:12] <m1x10> no its too far to start playing with softserial code to make it work at my freqs. Basically I dont have the knowledge to do something like this.
[10:12] <Upu> yeah fair enough
[10:13] <Upu> why can't you run at the recommended frequency ?
[10:13] <m1x10> my ttl jpeg camera needs that freq
[10:13] <m1x10> its getting complex :)
[10:13] <m1x10> well
[10:13] <Upu> 2 arduinos
[10:13] <Upu> output via the other one
[10:13] <m1x10> no i make my own pcb
[10:14] <m1x10> is any way to transmit my debug messages through the connected programmer?
[10:14] <Upu> I don't know the answer to that sorry never used on
[10:14] <Upu> one
[10:14] <m1x10> mcu -SPI- programmer -USB- PC
[10:18] <Upu> can't think of anything but sounds like the camera is the issue
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[10:48] <Laurenceb_> merry christmas all
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[11:46] <SpeedEvil> yup - merry xmas
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[15:42] <m1x10> where is everybody!
[15:42] Action: m1x10 can't stand silence
[15:43] <SpeedEvil> lo
[16:20] Action: fssanta is being merry
[16:21] <m1x10> fssanta where is fsphil ?
[16:22] <fssanta> north pole
[16:23] <SpeedEvil> Magnetic or geographic?
[16:23] <m1x10> :p
[16:23] <m1x10> magnetic is changing?
[16:23] <m1x10> 2012?
[16:23] <m1x10> catastrophy?
[16:36] <fssanta> santa must be stopped!
[16:36] <m1x10> mhhh
[16:36] <m1x10> the mcu with 3 or more uarts are becoming extremely big
[16:37] <m1x10> no the packages are tiny, lol
[16:38] <m1x10> but i guess they require some expert soldering
[16:40] <m1x10> ah, god why I always some stupid problems comes out
[16:40] <m1x10> im tired
[16:41] <fssanta> relax, it's a holiday :)
[17:01] Action: Scrooge_ is saving money at christmas
[17:20] <m1x10> Ok I managed to fit in my pcb a spi/i2c-to-uart breakout
[17:21] <m1x10> http://imagebin.org/129570
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[17:29] <Lunar_Lander> Merry Christmas!
[17:31] <fssanta> hohoho :D
[17:35] <m1x10> ho-ho-ho
[17:35] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[17:35] <Lunar_Lander> is tim here :P?
[17:36] <m1x10> no
[17:36] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[17:36] <Lunar_Lander> ok then
[17:37] <m1x10> from the morning i didnt see him
[17:37] <Lunar_Lander> HOHOHO
[17:37] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[17:37] <m1x10> lol
[17:37] <Lunar_Lander> :D
[17:37] <m1x10> Lunar_Lander got injected with xmas poison
[17:37] <Lunar_Lander> well
[17:37] <Lunar_Lander> do you know "Mon Cherie"?
[17:38] <m1x10> no
[17:38] <Lunar_Lander> those chocolates with a cherry in them
[17:38] <Lunar_Lander> and also some cherry liquor
[17:38] <Lunar_Lander> I ate on of them earlier
[17:38] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[17:38] <fssanta> just one?
[17:38] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[17:38] <fssanta> I've ate far too much chocolate today
[17:39] <m1x10> hahaha
[17:39] <m1x10> me too
[17:39] <m1x10> brushed my teeth twice already
[17:40] <Lunar_Lander> yea my parents are kinda fighting since thursday
[17:40] <Lunar_Lander> that makes things difficult
[17:40] <m1x10> why fight?
[17:40] <Lunar_Lander> cause my dad thinks my mom does not understand him
[17:40] <m1x10> aha
[17:41] <Lunar_Lander> and if I got it, he wants that one thing and complaints that she doesn't wanna do it
[17:41] <m1x10> women understand everything. Men can't understand women.
[17:42] <m1x10> do u have sister?
[17:42] <Lunar_Lander> no, one brother
[17:42] <SpeedEvil> I'm at home at the moment, with no visitors.
[17:42] <m1x10> ah ok
[17:42] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[17:42] <SpeedEvil> Xmas dinner was 7 fish fingers and boiled potatos, with salt and vinegar.
[17:42] <Lunar_Lander> tasty!
[17:42] <SpeedEvil> Which I enjoyed, they were nice.
[17:42] <m1x10> hehe
[17:43] <m1x10> we ate lot of meat
[17:43] <Lunar_Lander> we had like schnitzel and something like the home version of Chicken McNuggets + fries
[17:43] <SpeedEvil> I have lots of chocolate - but not feeling like it today.
[17:43] <m1x10> and coca cola!
[17:43] <Lunar_Lander> yay
[17:43] <Lunar_Lander> yesterday they delivered my copy of "Wizard of the Winds2
[17:43] <SpeedEvil> http://qkwv.com/weight.gif - I'm not feeling like screwing up. :)
[17:43] <Lunar_Lander> *"
[17:43] <Lunar_Lander> nice read
[17:44] <SpeedEvil> And a bit of chocolate a day is lots nicer than all at once.
[17:44] <SpeedEvil> then no chocolate
[17:44] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[17:44] <Lunar_Lander> oh man
[17:44] <m1x10> SpeedEvil: u r 95kg?
[17:44] <SpeedEvil> m1x10: was
[17:44] <m1x10> !
[17:44] <Lunar_Lander> if you wanna plot me, you'd have to extend that y-Axis
[17:44] <SpeedEvil> 75.? now
[17:44] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[17:44] <m1x10> ah
[17:44] <m1x10> im slim then :)
[17:44] <m1x10> I weight as a middle fat girl
[17:44] <m1x10> !60kg :p
[17:44] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[17:45] <Lunar_Lander> do you have gfs?
[17:45] <m1x10> gfs?
[17:45] <SpeedEvil> Me? Not at the moment.
[17:45] <Lunar_Lander> if yes do they also complain that they're too heavy
[17:45] <Lunar_Lander> girlfriends m1x10
[17:45] <m1x10> aaaaaaaaaaa
[17:45] <m1x10> not now
[17:45] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[17:45] <m1x10> i had for 3 years
[17:45] <m1x10> now just army and my brain is clean of bad thoughts
[17:45] <Lunar_Lander> me neither but my former one was losing weight and still complaining "I'm too fat"
[17:45] <m1x10> hahaha
[17:46] <m1x10> yes thats a bad syndrom
[17:46] <SpeedEvil> This was solely for me. Not having difficulty getting up as I'm not carrying a bag of cement FTW.
[17:46] <Lunar_Lander> and my doc said
[17:46] Action: SpeedEvil wonders if he diddn't screw up the double negatives.
[17:46] <m1x10> I have a friend in facebook ' Eleni Petalouda '. Check her. She thinks she is fat...
[17:46] <Lunar_Lander> my blood fat has been 82, normal level is 40 and the last measurement in October was 63
[17:47] <SpeedEvil> The scary ones are the ones that thin they are fat as their periods stop due to lack of bodyfat.
[17:47] <m1x10> lol
[17:48] <m1x10> I only once I had a semi fat girlfriend
[17:48] <m1x10> her boobs was twice my head
[17:48] <m1x10> quite cool
[17:48] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[17:48] <m1x10> but boobs no going down. Straight and tight
[17:49] <m1x10> that was some 5 years ago
[17:49] <m1x10> she was not greek
[17:49] <m1x10> I like non-greek girls
[17:50] <Lunar_Lander> where was she from?
[17:51] <m1x10> Im not sure for the exact place. But ex soviet for sure.
[17:52] Action: m1x10 wants to get married to a french one
[17:52] <m1x10> :p
[17:52] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[17:53] <Lunar_Lander> xD I once saw a show about a Turkish beach where all kinds of Russian families come for their holidays
[17:53] <m1x10> yeah
[17:53] <m1x10> all ppl like the mediterranian waters
[17:53] <Lunar_Lander> and on another show, a mother asked the cook on that hotel terrace for "Doener"
[17:54] <m1x10> especially north people find our waters very hot
[17:54] <Lunar_Lander> and she asked him in german and got angry when he didn't understand her
[17:54] <m1x10> lol
[17:54] <Lunar_Lander> and I was like "Oh no, another one kills our reputation"
[17:54] <m1x10> lola
[17:55] <m1x10> turkish places are cheaper than ours
[17:55] <m1x10> sometimes even greek go to turkish beaches!
[17:57] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[17:57] <Lunar_Lander> and IIRC, the greek don't like turkey because of Cyprus
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[18:00] <m1x10> ee thats another subject. In general, we -the greeks- the western civilization does not like the asia cultures for the last 3 milleniums
[18:00] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[18:00] <Lunar_Lander> yeah Persia and so on
[18:00] <Lunar_Lander> hi natrium42
[18:00] <m1x10> natrium42 !
[18:00] <m1x10> Merry XMAS
[18:00] <natrium42> hi
[18:00] <m1x10> How's family ? :)
[18:00] <Lunar_Lander> merry christmas
[18:00] <natrium42> thank you, merry xmas to you too
[18:01] <natrium42> all well, how are you?
[18:01] <m1x10> natrium42 u r the first HAB guy who is married? or there are other here too ? ! :)
[18:01] <natrium42> i am not married, but robert harrison is
[18:02] <m1x10> Im ok, teeth full of chocolate sugar and stomach full of meat
[18:02] <natrium42> haha
[18:02] <m1x10> hahah
[18:03] <m1x10> many kids hit my door yesterday to say sa the christmas songs but I didnt open them ! haha
[18:03] <m1x10> So rude I am. But I didnt have money to spare. I must buy HAB tronics :)
[18:04] <natrium42> that's the spirit XD
[18:04] <m1x10> lol
[18:04] <m1x10> Alexei
[18:04] <m1x10> :p
[18:06] <fssanta> HAB'y christmas everyone
[18:06] Action: fssanta gets his coat...
[18:06] <m1x10> phil got your dog a xmas walk?
[18:11] <fssanta> he wants out now .. sitting at the door, staring at me
[18:11] <m1x10> hahaa the poor
[18:11] <m1x10> go take him
[18:11] <m1x10> I love dogs
[18:11] <Lunar_Lander> yay
[18:12] <m1x10> I was feeding dogs with my food in the army a couple of days ago
[18:12] <m1x10> and the captain shouted at me
[18:12] <m1x10> but he didnt punish me !
[18:12] <m1x10> ouff
[18:13] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[18:13] <m1x10> still remember it !
[18:19] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
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[18:22] <Lunar_Lander> hi micronaut
[18:23] <micronaut> hi
[18:23] <micronaut> its m1x10 :P
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[18:23] <micronaut> my stupid ISP sucks
[18:23] <micronaut> every service in this place sucks
[18:25] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[18:28] <micronaut> :p
[18:28] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[18:37] <Lunar_Lander> wb m1x10
[18:37] <m1x10> :p
[18:43] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[18:44] <m1x10> i cant upload program to the mcu
[18:44] <m1x10> after new bootloader
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[18:44] Action: The-Compiler is looking forward to tomorrow
[18:44] <m1x10> everything is bad
[18:44] <The-Compiler> going to Berlin tomorrow (like 12h) to go to Europe's biggest hacker convention
[18:45] <m1x10> compiler are you a hacker?
[18:45] <m1x10> do u make defacements and stuff like this?
[18:46] <The-Compiler> nope, "hack" as in "be creative and do awesome stuff"
[18:46] <The-Compiler> there are a lot of workshops there, e.g. some electronics stuff as well
[18:46] <m1x10> ah nice
[18:46] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[18:46] <m1x10> so Berlin is the hackerspace
[18:47] <The-Compiler> take a look at http://events.ccc.de/congress/2010/wiki/index.php/Peace_Missions maybe there's a "peace mission" near you :p
[18:48] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[18:54] <m1x10> oh man
[18:54] <m1x10> you are so organized there
[18:54] <m1x10> Why nothing happens in this country
[18:55] <m1x10> how many ppl get there?
[18:55] <m1x10> 50-100 ?
[18:57] <m1x10> damn, I had a wrong capacitor sitting in the wrong place
[19:00] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[19:01] <Lunar_Lander> not good
[19:05] <m1x10> nice the new ublox5 GPS looks promising
[19:05] <m1x10> all my code from fsa03 works with that
[19:06] <m1x10> lol i got even fix inside my room with its tiny shit antenna
[19:07] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:08] <m1x10> $PUBX,00,190833.00,4038.89731,N,02256.67910,E,419.503,G2,84,17,1.937,247.78,0.000,,8.79,1.00,6.27,3,0,0*65
[19:09] <m1x10> want to see the antenna how small it is?
[19:09] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[19:10] <The-Compiler> m1x10: 50-100? nowai. Around 4000.
[19:10] <m1x10> ooooooooh
[19:10] <m1x10> !
[19:11] <m1x10> 400 ?
[19:11] <m1x10> or 4000 ?
[19:11] <The-Compiler> 4k
[19:11] <m1x10> ok
[19:11] <m1x10> no words
[19:11] <m1x10> i must move to a european country
[19:11] <m1x10> Lunar_Lander: http://imagebin.org/129578
[19:11] <The-Compiler> peak was 4235 according to German Wikipedia
[19:12] <The-Compiler> m1x10: whereabouts are you?
[19:12] <Lunar_Lander> nice one
[19:12] <m1x10> in the country of all debt and no services
[19:12] <The-Compiler> that is?
[19:12] <m1x10> eee think some :)
[19:12] <m1x10> south EU
[19:12] <The-Compiler> Greek, according to your whois xP
[19:13] <m1x10> :p
[19:13] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:13] <m1x10> Lunar_Lander: thats not called an antenna but antiny :)
[19:13] <m1x10> antinny :p
[19:14] <Lunar_Lander> xD!
[19:17] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[19:18] <m1x10> i dont believe i have lock with this antenna inside my home
[19:19] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[19:42] <Lunar_Lander> btw when will be your flight m1x10 ?
[20:03] <Lunar_Lander> ping m1x10
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[20:26] <Lunar_Lander> anyway I weighted my Galileoscope and it weighs 470 g
[20:26] <Lunar_Lander> yay
[20:26] <Lunar_Lander> :P
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[20:29] <Lunar_Lander> hi jcoxon
[20:29] <Lunar_Lander> merry christmas
[20:30] <jcoxon> evening, merry christmas
[20:30] <Lunar_Lander> thanks :)
[20:30] <Lunar_Lander> I got good news
[20:31] <Lunar_Lander> I weighted my Galileoscope and it weighs 470 g
[20:31] <natrium42> !g galileoscope
[20:31] <jcoxon> what you planning to do?
[20:31] <jcoxon> ta da
[20:32] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:32] <Lunar_Lander> I just wanted to check if it may be carried on a HAB
[20:32] <Lunar_Lander> but that is only theoretical
[20:33] <jcoxon> eek - would need super stablisation
[20:34] <Lunar_Lander> true
[20:36] <russss> yeah nobody has really attacked the stabilisation problem yet
[20:36] <jcoxon> eroomde, has much research into it
[20:37] <russss> but when they do, I would be interested in some balloon astrophotography ;)
[20:37] <jcoxon> certainly something to look into - the sciecnce community have pulled it off
[20:39] <russss> yeah. Is there much documentation on how BLAST handles stabilization, for example? I had a look but I couldn't find anything
[20:41] <jcoxon> i watched the documentry
[20:41] <Lunar_Lander> russss do you know where to get that BLAST movie?
[20:41] <jcoxon> :-)
[20:41] <jcoxon> russss, reaction wheels
[20:41] <russss> ah, nice
[20:42] <russss> must be a substantial part of their mass
[20:43] <jcoxon> indeed
[20:45] <m1x10> Hi
[20:46] <jcoxon> bbl
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[20:47] <Lunar_Lander> ping russss
[20:47] <russss> hi, sorry, no I don't
[20:47] <russss> looks like there's another balloon in flight at the moment: http://www.csbf.nasa.gov/map/balloon7/balloon7.htm
[20:47] <Lunar_Lander> oh ok
[20:48] <Lunar_Lander> (21:41:05)<jcoxon>i watched the documentry
[20:48] <russss> and they're planning on launching BLAST again soonish
[20:48] <Lunar_Lander> damn
[20:48] <Lunar_Lander> seems like jcoxon knows
[20:50] <fssanta> you could ask the BLAST team directly
[20:50] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:03] <Lunar_Lander> stabilization is critical for astrophotography
[21:03] <Lunar_Lander> but I don't know a good way to achieve it in 700 g weight
[21:03] <SpeedEvil> Planetary would be simpler
[21:05] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:05] <Lunar_Lander> or Lunar :P
[21:07] <SpeedEvil> Or solar.
[21:09] <fssanta> if your camera took quick exposures, and there where good orientation sensors -- you could stack the images, adjusting for the swing. would only work for pretty wide field photos though
[21:09] <fssanta> but if you where only after an all-sky shot, it would work well
[21:10] <SpeedEvil> I would try something relatively simple.
[21:10] <russss> the thing is, even for the moon you'd probably need a relatively slow exposure
[21:10] <Lunar_Lander> yeah true
[21:10] <russss> and you'd need a longer lens which would accentuate the movement
[21:10] <russss> motion blurring
[21:10] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[21:10] <SpeedEvil> For example, a couple of fans for coarse - pretty much to keep it +-45 degrees
[21:11] <SpeedEvil> Then a little platform built around RC servos to keep it +-3, then a coil based trim galvo
[21:12] <fssanta> magnetically controlled mirror
[21:12] <SpeedEvil> magnetically controlled mirror means that you need to accurately monitor the pointing of the camera too - relative to the mirror
[21:12] <fssanta> well, the mirror would be fixed to the camera
[21:13] <fssanta> a 90 degree sort of thing
[21:13] <SpeedEvil> Done right - the coil should use little power - as it's only cancelling the residual acellerations that get past the galvo
[21:13] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[21:13] <fssanta> yep
[21:13] <russss> a reaction wheel is technically not too hard I think
[21:13] <fssanta> and could be controlled very precisely
[21:13] <Scrooge_> drop the scope with a cutdown
[21:13] <SpeedEvil> russss: possibly not.
[21:13] <Lunar_Lander> but the wheel must be heavy
[21:13] <Scrooge_> then use rcs to orientate it
[21:13] <russss> especially to cancel out the payload spinning element
[21:13] <Scrooge_> you get one shot :P
[21:13] <SpeedEvil> Scrooge_: that works well for the first .? seconds
[21:14] <Lunar_Lander> xD Scrooge_
[21:14] <Scrooge_> 1 or 2
[21:14] <Scrooge_> R143a RCS ftw
[21:14] <SpeedEvil> I could see torque ripple being an annoyance with reaction wheels
[21:14] <Scrooge_> use some of the solenoid valves from sensortechnics
[21:14] <SpeedEvil> The easy way is to clearly just get it into orbit.
[21:14] <SpeedEvil> Then you can just use a slow magnetorquer.
[21:15] <Scrooge_> RCS when its on a line might work
[21:15] <Scrooge_> but lots of vibration with solenoids pulsing
[21:15] <Lunar_Lander> RCS needs fuel
[21:16] <SpeedEvil> I wonder if you replace the string to the balloon with a CF rod
[21:16] <Scrooge_> yeah - r134a
[21:16] <SpeedEvil> But the balloon still wobbles
[21:16] <Lunar_Lander> Scrooge_ I just googled that
[21:16] <SpeedEvil> maybe less so though
[21:16] <Scrooge_> or 143 i cant remember
[21:16] <Lunar_Lander> I only got a company which makes snack vensing machines
[21:16] <Lunar_Lander> *vending
[21:16] <Scrooge_> refridgerant
[21:16] <Scrooge_> used in air dusters
[21:18] <Scrooge_> maybe a big gyro
[21:19] <SpeedEvil> http://www.topix.com/album/detail/columbus/FRC5E7BMK2G707S1
[21:20] <Lunar_Lander> LOL
[21:20] <m1x10> lol
[21:20] <m1x10> Picture posted by King Gyros Greek Food on Aug 23 '09
[21:22] <m1x10> I finished routing the i2c/uart breakout
[21:22] <m1x10> now I have 3 uarts :)
[21:23] <Lunar_Lander> yay
[21:23] <Lunar_Lander> m1x10 when will be your flight?
[21:23] <m1x10> http://imagebin.org/129594
[21:24] <m1x10> I hope I have finish it until July
[21:24] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[21:27] <m1x10> but still i have many experiments to do
[21:27] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:27] <m1x10> I have to test my new 144.8mhz radio at 100mw. The GPS with the i2c/uart module and any new code.
[21:28] <m1x10> embedded camera with 7.3mhz crystal
[21:28] <m1x10> and many more things
[21:28] <Scrooge_> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/search/searchBrowseAction.html?method=retrieveTfg&binCount=10&Ne=4294957561&N=4294962223+4294954639
[21:28] <Scrooge_> ^ how the heck do they get to those prices
[21:28] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:28] <m1x10> build software for windows xp/7 for the 144.8 receiver
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[21:39] <Lunar_Lander> yes that is some work remaining
[21:39] <m1x10> ok
[21:39] <m1x10> ppl
[21:39] <m1x10> must go
[21:39] <m1x10> head is heavy
[21:39] <Lunar_Lander> ok cu
[21:39] <m1x10> cu tomorrow
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[21:47] <Scrooge_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeydV3GyRUQ&feature=player_embedded#!
[21:48] <Scrooge_> thats the definition of awesome
[21:49] <Lunar_Lander> nice one
[21:49] <Scrooge_> CoG shift motorised rogallo as well
[21:49] <Scrooge_> whats not to like
[21:50] Action: fssanta stops the rock
[21:51] <Lunar_Lander> lol
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[22:22] Nick change: Scrooge_ -> Laurenceb_
[22:25] <fssanta> drat, the websdr in .nl is still offline
[22:25] <Lunar_Lander> and the Predictor stops still
[22:25] <Lunar_Lander> NOAA get that fixed please!
[22:26] <fssanta> I did a prediction about an hour ago, seemed to work
[22:27] <Laurenceb_> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/hardware/SensorManager.html
[22:27] <Laurenceb_> ^ the hec k
[22:27] <Laurenceb_> "float GRAVITY_DEATH_STAR_I"
[22:27] <natrium42> hahaha
[22:28] <fssanta> like the Lost reference there too
[22:28] <Lunar_Lander> for me it just says "Searching for wind data..."
[22:28] Action: Laurenceb_ is wondering if the nexus s is a useful UAV platform
[22:29] <fssanta> Lunar_Lander, what location and date?
[22:29] <Laurenceb_> no suitable long range radio comms, and very expensive atm
[22:29] <Lunar_Lander> Churchill, 23:29 UTC, Dec 25 2010
[22:29] <fssanta> hack an ntx2 on the audio output
[22:29] <Laurenceb_> but fastish processor if the kernel can be made to behave and nice sensors
[22:30] <Laurenceb_> i like all the provided orientation and matrix/quaternion manipulation methods
[22:31] <Lunar_Lander> doesn't work for Boston Spa either
[22:31] <fssanta> what date?
[22:31] <fssanta> oh
[22:31] <fssanta> n/m :)
[22:32] <fssanta> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=917c54b787f92ce1536673d5896e0a12afdf2687
[22:32] <fssanta> nice flightpath
[22:33] <Laurenceb_> http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=3434
[22:33] <Laurenceb_> :(
[22:35] <Lunar_Lander> fssanta again today
[22:35] <Lunar_Lander> OK
[22:35] <Lunar_Lander> Churchill, Dec 26, 23:35
[22:35] <Laurenceb_> "Yes, this will work on the Symbian, WinCE
[22:35] <Laurenceb_> phones and iPhone, but your stiff out of luck on the Android because porting your lib
[22:35] <Laurenceb_> isnt actually possible because of the high latency and lacklustre performance of going through the android java stack"
[22:35] <Lunar_Lander> Sending data to server...
[22:35] <Lunar_Lander> The server accepted the form data
[22:35] <Lunar_Lander> The server gave us uuid:
[22:35] <Lunar_Lander> 1d76e6db0ffc28468d7920fff840a4a7869955c3
[22:35] <Lunar_Lander> Starting to poll for progress JSON
[22:36] <Lunar_Lander> Polling for progress JSON timed out
[22:36] <Lunar_Lander> Increasing AJAX timeout from 500ms to 1000ms
[22:37] <fssanta> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=5860089455f3a89f12adcccf4b05bee250b45b78
[22:38] <fssanta> I can't explain that
[22:45] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:46] <The-Compiler> whoa
[22:46] <Lunar_Lander> Chrome doesn't work
[22:46] <Lunar_Lander> IE9 doesn't work
[22:48] <The-Compiler> works fine here in opera
[22:49] <Lunar_Lander> hmm
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[22:54] <jcoxon> ping fssanta
[22:55] <fssanta> pong!
[22:55] Nick change: fssanta -> fsphil
[22:55] <fsphil> ah, that's better
[22:55] <jcoxon> can you try my changes please
[22:55] <fsphil> I just did -- made a note on the width problem on github
[22:56] <jcoxon> just pushed them
[22:56] <jcoxon> yeah i've fixed that
[22:56] <fsphil> oh, new changes
[22:56] <fsphil> one sec
[22:56] <jcoxon> well its the changes you suggested
[22:56] <jcoxon> + removing the crappy hacks i attempted to fix it with
[22:57] <fsphil> width is perfect, but it's showing 0hz
[22:59] <Lunar_Lander> hi jcoxon
[22:59] <Lunar_Lander> I have a question to earlier
[22:59] <Lunar_Lander> you said you watched the BLAST movie?
[22:59] <jcoxon> fsphil, oh, try pressing enter
[22:59] <jcoxon> or setting a freq
[22:59] <jcoxon> Lunar_Lander, indeed i have seen it
[23:01] <Lunar_Lander> do you know where to get it?
[23:01] <fsphil> okie, it's setting the frequency but not reading it back from the rig
[23:02] <fsphil> and defaulting to FM
[23:02] <jcoxon> jcoxon, not now - it was a while ago
[23:03] <Lunar_Lander> oh ok
[23:03] <fsphil> I think I seen that too, on bbc four?
[23:04] <jcoxon> fsphil, will look into it
[23:04] <fsphil> looking well though, be nice to have some rig control
[23:05] <jcoxon> i literally transplanted the interface from the non-hab version
[23:05] <jcoxon> happy with the positioning?
[23:06] <Lunar_Lander> well I think I'll try to write the BLAST people an e-mail
[23:06] <jcoxon> check isohunt :-)
[23:06] <fsphil> jcoxon, yea that's the perfect spot for it
[23:07] <fsphil> http://imgur.com/Tek3m.png
[23:07] <Lunar_Lander> isohunt?
[23:08] <jcoxon> Lunar_Lander, http://www.devlinpix.com/film/blast
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[23:10] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[23:10] <Lunar_Lander> does that FilmBaby site accept paypal?
[23:10] <jcoxon> no idea
[23:10] <jcoxon> fsphil, whats this frequency tracking then?
[23:11] <fsphil> if the signal drifts out of a set range on the waterfall, it retunes the radio to bring it back to centre
[23:11] <jcoxon> haha awesome
[23:11] <fsphil> for unattended stations :)
[23:11] <fsphil> or for lazy operators ;-)
[23:11] <Lunar_Lander> yay it does!
[23:11] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[23:12] <Laurenceb_> http://www.flytron.com/osd-headtrackers/15-simpleosd-gps-module.html
[23:16] <DanielRichman> speaking of fldigi, apparently the latest alpha release has this feature: http://i.imgur.com/rc61n.png , which is totally awesome
[23:17] <jcoxon> decodes multiple streams?
[23:17] <DanielRichman> I think so
[23:17] <jcoxon> that is cool
[23:17] <Lunar_Lander> LOL jcoxon
[23:17] <Lunar_Lander> "back up, back up"
[23:17] <Lunar_Lander> *payload hits the truck*
[23:17] <Lunar_Lander> "oh *BEEEP*"
[23:18] <fsphil> current fldigi can decode multiple psk31 signals
[23:18] <fsphil> but it only works for psk
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[23:20] <jcoxon> fsphil, your new feature is awesome
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[23:21] <jcoxon> does it work?
[23:21] <fsphil> seems to
[23:21] <fsphil> I tested it with a weak battery.. the frequency drops as its running flat
[23:22] <fsphil> followed it until the signal stopped
[23:22] <jcoxon> cool
[23:23] <Laurenceb_> i only see on estream
[23:23] <Laurenceb_> but yeah multiple is nice
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[23:26] <Lunar_Lander> btw did Bill get his balloon back?
[23:26] <jcoxon> yeah
[23:26] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[23:27] <Lunar_Lander> was he punished?
[23:27] <jcoxon> no
[23:27] <Lunar_Lander> good :)
[23:28] <jcoxon> fsphil, also we can finally use the frequency setting in the xml
[23:30] <fsphil> yes - that would be nifty
[23:30] <jcoxon> night all
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