highaltitude.log.20101219

[00:00] <jonsowman> htop
[00:00] <jonsowman> oh poo
[00:00] <jonsowman> too many terminals
[00:01] <fsphil> actually remove the cast entirely
[00:01] <fsphil> gonna work either way
[00:08] <ejcweb> fsphil: sure.
[00:10] <ejcweb> So for the CRC checksum at the end of the telemetry string, is it expected to be padded to 4 hex characters long?
[00:10] <ejcweb> Or does that not matter.
[00:10] <Randomskk> yea
[00:10] <Randomskk> it matters
[00:10] <Randomskk> so, put a 0 at the start
[00:10] <Randomskk> if neede
[00:10] <Randomskk> +d
[00:10] <fsphil> %04X
[00:10] <ejcweb> It could be 0000, right?
[00:11] <DanielRichman> yeah; %04X.
[00:11] <DanielRichman> Java doesn't come with printf though, does it?
[00:11] <ejcweb> Well the java Formatter class seems to use fairly similar conventions.
[00:12] <ejcweb> I think. I can't say I use it much.
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[00:21] <ejcweb> Randomskk: Well it seems to be giving the correct result for "hello, world", which I presume is unlikely to be a fluke.
[00:21] <Randomskk> you would hope so, that is the whole point of checksums after all
[00:22] <ejcweb> Are there any historic telemetry strings I could test it against just to be doubly sure though?
[00:22] <Randomskk> loooads
[00:22] <Randomskk> one sec
[00:23] <Randomskk> http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/view.php
[00:24] <jonsowman> some more if you want them
[00:24] <jonsowman> http://balloon.hexoc.com/apex-ii/data.txt
[00:24] <Randomskk> I'd use those ones
[00:24] <Randomskk> the ones on the tracker right now are not so great
[00:24] <Randomskk> (use the apex ones, that is)
[00:25] <Randomskk> jonsowman: apex doesn't send back commands in interactive mode? :(
[00:25] <jonsowman> seems not
[00:25] <jonsowman> lol
[00:26] <jonsowman> should do really shouldn't it
[00:26] <Randomskk> indeed
[00:26] <jonsowman> Matt_soton: take note ^^
[00:26] <jonsowman> :P
[00:26] <ejcweb> Hmmm. Ended up with an 8 char CRC for that, with the last 4 correct... must be using wrong datatype somewhere...
[00:26] <Randomskk> hmm. making 3d parts for kicad is perhaps trickier than for eagle3d
[00:26] <Randomskk> though you could make better parts, maybe
[00:26] <Randomskk> ejcweb: you definetly shouldn't be getting an 8 char CRC, that would mean CRC-32 not -16
[00:27] <Randomskk> they appear to use VRML, virtual reality modelling language
[00:27] <Randomskk> a dinosaur from the 90s
[00:27] <Randomskk> text based 3d objects that can have hyperlinks
[00:27] <ejcweb> i'd been playing with datatypes to avoid so many horrendous casts.
[00:27] <Randomskk> for the days when the web would surely turn into a 3d world and snow crash was all the rage
[00:28] <Randomskk> and they use wings3D to edit the files, which I've never seen before but is kind of neat
[00:28] <jonsowman> haha i remember vrml
[00:28] <jonsowman> :D
[00:28] <jonsowman> happy days
[00:28] <jonsowman> fcvo happy
[00:32] <Randomskk> https://randomskk.net/u/wings32.png
[00:32] <Randomskk> https://randomskk.net/u/wings3d.png
[00:32] <Randomskk> uhm
[00:32] <Randomskk> oh. I did actually call it wings32
[00:32] <Randomskk> well that was stupid
[00:33] <Randomskk> anyway it seems to do a nice job
[00:33] <jonsowman> nice
[00:33] <Randomskk> those came with kicad though
[00:33] <jonsowman> oh right
[00:33] <Randomskk> my attemps are going to be much worse I suspect
[00:33] <Randomskk> this appears to be harder to use than blender
[00:33] <jonsowman> thought you'd just made them!
[00:34] <Randomskk> that would really say something for its ease of use if so :P
[00:34] <Randomskk> I kind of like how eagle3d used povray files, you could just do that in vim
[00:34] <jonsowman> haha :D
[00:40] <jonsowman> bedtime
[00:40] <jonsowman> see you :)
[00:40] <Randomskk> seeya
[00:42] <ejcweb> Is there a preferable lat/long format to use in the telemetry strings?
[00:42] <ejcweb> The guide says either decimal degrees or NMEA format.
[00:43] <eroomde> decimal degrees
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[00:53] <ejcweb> eroomde: And do you know if the number of decimal places matters? I've seen both 4 and 6 used.
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[00:54] <Randomskk> 0.0001 arc degrees is 11 meters at the equator, 8 metres at 45 degrees north
[00:54] <Randomskk> it's probably not a massive deal
[00:54] <Randomskk> depends on what the android gps gives you I guess
[00:55] <Randomskk> dd.dddd is the most common format it seems, but if you have higher accuracy you could use it. I'd probably go with dd.dddd.
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[01:00] <timbobel> im still going strong
[01:00] <timbobel> super awesome release mechanism
[01:02] <Lunar_Lander> you made a cutdown?
[01:19] <Lunar_Lander> timbobel I'd like to wish you best of luck
[01:19] <Lunar_Lander> on what time will you fly?
[01:20] <SpeedEvil> Good luck timbobel!
[01:20] <timbobel> im out
[01:20] <timbobel> around 1200 dutch time
[01:20] <timbobel> i am too lazy to send a ukhas message
[01:21] <timbobel> how do you do that anyway
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[08:17] <Lunar_Lander> good morning to the europeans and africans, good night to the americans and good evening to the asians and australians
[08:17] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[08:58] <Lunar_Lander> good morning timbobel
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[09:01] <timbobel> mornin
[09:01] <GW8RAK> Monring
[09:02] <GW8RAK> Or even Morning
[09:02] <Upu> good luck today
[09:08] <Lunar_Lander> yeah good luck
[09:08] <Lunar_Lander> morning GW8RAK
[09:13] <GW8RAK> Morning Lunar_Lander
[09:13] <GW8RAK> Back in the shack today trying to prove the performance of the preamp.
[09:14] <GW8RAK> Does anyone have any experience of http://www.robot-electronics.co.uk/htm/cmps09doc.htm
[09:15] <GW8RAK> I'm wondering if that will do all I need for my Az/El rotator?
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[09:25] <TraumaPony> Those space blanket thingies
[09:25] <TraumaPony> They're mylar, right?
[09:25] <timbobel> best sync interpolator only takes up about 25% of cpu?
[09:27] <Lunar_Lander> TraumaPony you mean the ones to wrap payloads?
[09:27] <TraumaPony> No, the ones you get in those emergency first aid kits
[09:27] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[09:28] <Lunar_Lander> wiki says PET with metal vaporized on it
[09:28] <TraumaPony> oh
[09:28] <Lunar_Lander> aluminum
[09:28] <Lunar_Lander> thus the silvery side
[09:28] <TraumaPony> How effective do you think it'd be?
[09:28] <Lunar_Lander> and the golden side is the Al shimmring through the PET
[09:28] <TraumaPony> (For insulation on an enclosure)
[09:29] <Lunar_Lander> well, this summer some hams used that to wrap their payload
[09:29] <jcoxon> TraumaPony, they are good
[09:29] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[09:29] <jcoxon> you can feel them reflecting the heat
[09:29] <jcoxon> if you put your hand inside the box
[09:29] <Lunar_Lander> the one guy said though that they had some reduction in GPS reception
[09:30] <jcoxon> certainly have a window for the gps antenna
[09:30] <TraumaPony> Yeah, good point
[09:31] <Lunar_Lander> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metallized_polyethylene_terephthalate
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[09:33] Action: jcoxon predicts we'll have a lot of people on today
[09:33] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[09:34] <Lunar_Lander> like we had on the Horus launchings
[09:34] <Lunar_Lander> or, well yes, I think many people come on here for any launch
[09:34] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[09:34] <juxta-phone> hey timbobel, good luck with your launch today :)
[09:35] <Lunar_Lander> xD TraumaPony I just read that passage
[09:35] <jcoxon> Also got a launch from WB8ELK
[09:35] <TraumaPony> ?
[09:35] <jcoxon> testing an HF transmitter
[09:35] <TraumaPony> The three line wiki page? :P
[09:35] <Lunar_Lander> "A rescue blanket may not be used as an extinguishing blanket due to its own flammability"
[09:35] <juxta-phone> Heya jcoxon
[09:35] <Lunar_Lander> the german page on rescue blankets ;)
[09:35] <TraumaPony> xD
[09:36] <jcoxon> hey juxta
[09:36] <jcoxon> oh i pinged you about a ublox/arduino question
[09:37] <juxta-phone> oh righto - sort it out?
[09:37] <jcoxon> nah not yet
[09:37] <jcoxon> it was about checking the nav5 status
[09:37] <jcoxon> and printing it
[09:37] <jcoxon> couldn't seem to get it to work
[09:38] <juxta-phone> ah that annoying thing, hmm
[09:40] <juxta-phone> do you still have that code i sent you a while ago? I didnt keep it :(
[09:41] <jcoxon> yeah
[09:41] <jcoxon> got it
[09:42] <juxta-phone> Oh, could you email it to me at some stage?
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[09:44] <jcoxon> send but formating might not survive
[09:45] <juxta-phone> Hehe, okay
[09:45] <juxta-phone> Thanks
[09:45] <jonsowman> github gist it :)
[09:46] <jonsowman> how're things going with atlas jcoxon?
[09:47] <TraumaPony> What's it called where you have a couple of servo'd directional antennas, and you move them about and lock in on a signal, and use trig to figure out where it's called?
[09:47] <TraumaPony> Something tells me heliostats come into it
[09:48] <jcoxon> jonsowman, good - gps is working well, just fixing the code
[09:48] <jcoxon> and trying to find a small payload box
[09:48] <jonsowman> is this the gpsbee?
[09:49] <jcoxon> yeah
[09:49] <jonsowman> :)
[09:49] <jonsowman> cool
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[09:49] <jonsowman> all working well then?
[09:49] <jcoxon> just need to get the code working to check the nav mode
[09:49] <jcoxon> so we don't repeat the same issue
[09:49] <jcoxon> and we'll be good to go
[09:50] <jonsowman> yep absolutely
[09:50] <jonsowman> good stuff :D
[09:50] <jcoxon> was actually thinking new years day...
[09:51] <jonsowman> hehe
[09:51] <jonsowman> launching from cam again?
[09:51] <jcoxon> yeah
[09:51] <juxta-phone> Was the nav mode check running on the last launch?
[09:51] <jcoxon> juxta-phone, no
[09:52] <jcoxon> jonsowman, but i doubt it'll be logitically possible
[09:52] <jcoxon> so 8/9 jan
[09:52] <jonsowman> fair enough :)
[09:52] <jcoxon> juxta-phone, my coding skills fail me - that code gets the result as a byte
[09:52] <jcoxon> but i can't seem to get that to print
[09:52] <jcoxon> jonsowman, not sure the porters would be pleased on new years day
[09:53] <jonsowman> hehe indeed
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[10:03] Topic changed on #highaltitude by jonsowman!jonsowman@sheeva.hexoc.com: Welcome to #highaltitude - discuss anything to do with high altitude projects (balloons, gliders, etc) www.ukhas.org.uk - HoHoHo III Launch today 13:00UTC + WB8ELK HF Launch ~21:00UTC
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[10:07] <jonsowman> must be off, good luck with the launch today timbobel
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[10:11] <m1x10> ah, home sweet home !
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[10:42] <fsphil> I'm not sure that topic is right.. 12:00 CET is 11:00 UTC
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[10:45] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[10:47] <timbobel> can someone clear my last (yesterday) entires in the tracker??
[10:49] <Randomskk> it appears to be already cleared? http://spacenear.us/tracker/
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[10:53] <m1x10> Hi all here !
[10:56] <Lunar_Lander> hello m1x10
[10:56] <m1x10> whats up?
[10:57] <Lunar_Lander> well
[10:57] <Lunar_Lander> we are waiting for the Dutch ascent
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[10:59] <m1x10> hab?
[10:59] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[10:59] <Lunar_Lander> check the topic
[10:59] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[11:00] <m1x10> I think hohoho is timbomels
[11:01] <m1x10> webpage?
[11:03] <Lunar_Lander> http://hollandshoogte.wordpress.com/
[11:05] <m1x10> lol 4 cams.
[11:05] <m1x10> whats the overall weight of the payload?
[11:06] <Lunar_Lander> good question
[11:06] <Lunar_Lander> and I think tim is busy with the inflation
[11:06] <Lunar_Lander> the topic is wrong btw, it is 11 UTC and 12 CET
[11:09] <timbobel> can someone clear the stuff in the tracker?
[11:10] <timbobel> oh its done
[11:10] <timbobel> thanks!
[11:10] <m1x10> hi timbobel! Hows going?
[11:10] <timbobel> launchiong in 30min
[11:10] <m1x10> oh
[11:10] <m1x10> good luck!
[11:10] <Lunar_Lander> timbobel before I go for my breakfast
[11:10] <Lunar_Lander> do you still have the full video from the HoHoHo I?
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[11:14] <Lunar_Lander> if yes, could we maybe arrange that you burn it on a DVD and mail it to me and I compensate you via Paypal? would be cool if that would be possible
[11:14] <Lunar_Lander> brb
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[11:24] <fsphil> hmm, tim never mentioned what frequency he was using
[11:24] <m1x10> :P
[11:24] <m1x10> fsphil, I got my new GPS module
[11:24] <m1x10> its a tiny ublox thing
[11:25] <m1x10> with a tiny antenna :p
[11:25] <m1x10> brb food at home!
[11:25] <fsphil> is there much difference from the fsa03?
[11:26] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil, he asked about the antenna length yesterday evening
[11:26] <Lunar_Lander> he said he is on 434 MHz
[11:27] <fsphil> .075 or .650 :)
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[11:31] <Lunar_Lander> good question
[11:34] <Darkside> tune around?
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[11:35] <fsphil> I've no hope anyway :) just curious
[11:35] <Lunar_Lander> or throw a dice
[11:35] <Lunar_Lander> 1,3,5 : .075
[11:35] <Lunar_Lander> 2,4,6 : .650
[11:35] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[11:41] <jcoxon> i think its .650
[11:46] <Laurenceb_> is there a launch?
[11:47] <jcoxon> should be
[11:47] <jcoxon> 80% chance
[11:48] <jcoxon> and they'll be an HF flight in the states
[11:48] <jcoxon> to test wb8elk's tx'er
[11:49] <jcoxon> eeek M25 is a mess
[11:49] <Upu> been snowing again ?
[11:49] <jcoxon> overturned petrolium tanker apparently
[11:50] <jcoxon> going to go the long way round me thinks
[11:50] <Upu> oo not good
[11:50] <Upu> christmas shopping is great from hiding ninja purchases of Energiser Lithiums from the wife :)
[11:50] <jcoxon> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-12032135
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[11:51] <Upu> timbobel what frequency are you on ?
[11:52] <SpeedEvil> LPG
[11:52] <SpeedEvil> more fun than petrol.
[11:52] <jcoxon> SpeedEvil, yeah just read that
[11:53] <m1x10> jcoxon, you are the one who told me about the seeeedstudio ublox gps ?
[11:53] <jcoxon> m1x10, yeah
[11:53] <jcoxon> i've got one now
[11:54] <jcoxon> working very well
[11:54] <m1x10> yes me too :)
[11:54] <m1x10> cool
[11:54] <jcoxon> slightly annoying pin size
[11:54] <jcoxon> not completely standard
[11:54] <m1x10> im waiting some 2mm to 2.54mm cables
[11:54] <jcoxon> yeah i got some headers and made my own
[11:55] <m1x10> you got the tiny antenna ?
[11:55] <m1x10> or the bigger one?
[11:55] <jcoxon> i got the big one as well
[11:55] <m1x10> hmm
[11:55] <m1x10> nice
[11:55] <jcoxon> bigger one is probably a bit better
[11:55] <m1x10> ok
[11:55] <m1x10> looks promising
[11:56] <m1x10> so the whole stuff works like a good fsa03 replacement?
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[11:56] <jcoxon> remember it is 3.3v
[11:56] <m1x10> I know. Most gps are 3.3
[11:56] <jcoxon> so don't use any higher voltage to power it
[11:56] <jcoxon> as i don't think it has any protection (some others do you see)
[11:56] <m1x10> voltage divider :)
[11:57] Action: jcoxon runs everything at 3.3v
[11:57] Action: Upu too
[11:57] Action: m1x10 does not :p
[11:57] <jcoxon> 30 mins till launch hohoho
[11:57] <m1x10> my radio modules from radiometrix work at 5v
[11:57] <m1x10> dunno whats going to happen if i give it 3.3v
[11:58] <m1x10> or I might sent a request to build me one at 3.3v
[11:58] <jcoxon> mine works at 3.3v
[11:58] <m1x10> I sent a request to build me a 144.8 at 100mW and they did it
[11:59] <m1x10> I should mail them
[12:00] <m1x10> Supply range: 3.8 - 15V @ 100mW
[12:00] <m1x10> http://www.radiometrix.com/content/tx1h
[12:01] <jcoxon> m1x10, what i would do is run the radiometrix with the main power supply
[12:01] <jcoxon> and everything else of a 3.3v regulator
[12:01] <m1x10> oh
[12:01] <jcoxon> as it has its own regulator
[12:01] <m1x10> thats a very neat thought
[12:01] <m1x10> lol
[12:01] <m1x10> u solved some problems right now
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[12:02] <Laurenceb_> im going to order some ublox6 modules
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[12:03] <m1x10> the atmega644p can run at 3.3v?
[12:03] <jcoxon> i think thats what the 'p' in the name stands for
[12:03] <jcoxon> you'd need to check
[12:03] <juxta-phone> any word on launch time?
[12:04] <jcoxon> yeah 30mins
[12:04] <juxta-phone> P is picopower, atmel's l
[12:04] <juxta-phone> Stupid phone
[12:05] <Laurenceb_> picopower isnt 3.3v
[12:05] <juxta-phone> Low powr stuff, runs down to 1.8v on most chips
[12:05] <Laurenceb_> its a new fab process
[12:05] <Laurenceb_> theres non picopower stuff that runs on 1.8v
[12:05] <juxta-phone> oh right
[12:05] <Laurenceb_> picopower has reduced current
[12:05] <Laurenceb_> about 35% at high voltages and clk speeds
[12:06] <Laurenceb_> much better in sleep modes and really low speed aiui
[12:06] <m1x10> ATmega164P/324P/644P: 0 - 10 MHz @ 2.7V - 5.5V, 0 - 20 MHz @ 4.5V - 5.5V
[12:06] <juxta-phone> yeah i saw the sleep mode breakdown, the curent draw was tiny
[12:07] <m1x10> hi juxta!
[12:07] <jcoxon> okay time to set off
[12:07] <m1x10> bah my ttlcam runs at 5v!
[12:07] <juxta-phone> Hey m1x10, havent seen you around in a while
[12:08] <m1x10> im at army :(
[12:08] <m1x10> yay cam can also run at 3.3v
[12:11] <m1x10> I just noticed that the bmp085 barometric sensor works between 1.8 and 3.6
[12:11] <m1x10> I used it so long at 5v :(
[12:17] <Lunar_Lander> so we still have negative launch?
[12:17] <fsphil> so far
[12:17] <jcoxon> i got an email about 10mins ago saying that he was launching in 30mins
[12:18] <jcoxon> so its still going ahead
[12:18] <Lunar_Lander> that is good
[12:18] <Lunar_Lander> did he tell what he is doing right now?
[12:18] <jcoxon> no
[12:18] <jcoxon> just the time frame
[12:19] <Lunar_Lander> ah ok
[12:19] <jcoxon> bbl, wish me luck...
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[12:19] <Lunar_Lander> m1x10 are you doing an electronics test?
[12:19] <m1x10> no
[12:20] <m1x10> just some redisigning to use all my tronics at 3.3v
[12:20] <m1x10> I wonder about one thing
[12:20] <m1x10> ping fsphil
[12:20] <m1x10> 0 - 10 MHz @ 2.7V - 5.5V
[12:21] <m1x10> so if i run the mcu at 3.3v it will work up to 10mhz
[12:21] <fsphil> pong :)
[12:21] <m1x10> hence the 14mhz crystal for the baudrate of the camera thing wont work ?
[12:22] <m1x10> or its irellevant?
[12:22] <fsphil> what model are you using?
[12:22] <m1x10> of what thing?
[12:22] <m1x10> ATmega644P
[12:23] <fsphil> should work -- just means they don't recommend it
[12:24] <fsphil> test it on some breadboard first though
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[12:28] <m1x10> sure
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[12:51] <Lunar_Lander> how is the balloon?
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[12:53] <timbobel> its up
[12:53] <timbobel> bu it has like 1200mhz shift
[12:53] <timbobel> cant detect that much
[12:53] <sgisgi> how long until you expect it to land?
[13:06] <M0DTS> What frequency for balloon today?
[13:06] <Randomskk> 1200MHz shift?!
[13:07] <Randomskk> or mHz?
[13:07] <Randomskk> (or Hz?)
[13:07] <M0DTS> Hz sound most realistic!
[13:08] <timbobel> Hz
[13:08] <timbobel> =)
[13:08] <Randomskk> that is a lot of shift
[13:08] <Randomskk> if you record the audio you could probably extract the data later
[13:08] <fsphil> need two radios :)
[13:08] <Randomskk> eh, 1200hz should be within the passband for audio
[13:09] <timbobel> yeah i have no idea how it happened
[13:09] <timbobel> the testing was fine
[13:09] <timbobel> when we let it go it started a major shift
[13:09] <timbobel> yeah bleh
[13:09] <M0DTS> yes 1200Hz should be easy?
[13:09] <fsphil> oh yea
[13:09] <fsphil> 3000hz bandpass
[13:09] <fsphil> fldigi's max is 1000
[13:09] <fsphil> but if you increase the filter bandwidth, it might decode something
[13:11] <timbobel> not fldigi
[13:14] <timbobel> tried that
[13:14] <timbobel> didnt do
[13:14] <timbobel> really unsure what the problem was
[13:15] <fsphil> can you record a bit of it?
[13:15] <Lunar_Lander> so the balloon is astray now?
[13:15] <fsphil> I can hack my copy to do 1200hz shift
[13:15] <M0DTS> MixW does 1200hz ok..
[13:15] <timbobel> what is bad about increasing the bandwith?
[13:16] <fsphil> yes, give mixw a try
[13:16] <fsphil> it won't upload to the tracker but at least you'd know what the payload was saying
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[13:17] <timbobel> mixw?
[13:17] <fsphil> in the rtty settings there is "receive filter bandwidth"
[13:17] <timbobel> yeah but currently i only have some quasi random noise
[13:17] <fsphil> if you make the shift 1000hz, and increase the filter so that it covers the signals -- it might work
[13:17] <fsphil> ah
[13:17] <fsphil> does it even sound like rtty?
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[13:24] <timbobel> how to reset the yaesu 817
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[13:26] <wimpiedim> is anyone following HoHoHo III launch now?
[13:27] <fsphil> reset?
[13:27] <wimpiedim> ?
[13:28] <fsphil> there seems to be an issue with the transmitter wimpiedim
[13:28] <wimpiedim> HI guys please help tracking, try to decode the signal, it seems like it has like 1000mhz shift :( its 50baud 5n1
[13:29] <Randomskk> 1000mhz?
[13:29] <DanielRichman> :P
[13:29] <wimpiedim> milli HZ I think
[13:29] <fsphil> haha
[13:29] <Randomskk> 1.2Hz?
[13:29] <timbobel> until what freq can it shift?
[13:29] <timbobel> wimpie, indeed there is something with the radio
[13:29] <fsphil> fldigi can go upto 1000hz shift
[13:29] <timbobel> seems like a real mission for the HAM
[13:29] <DanielRichman> the transmitters are 10khz wide I think.
[13:30] <wimpiedim> he Tim je bent hem nu aan het volgen?
[13:30] <timbobel> lets crack this cookie
[13:30] <timbobel> yes
[13:30] <timbobel> zit nu op de afsluitdijk
[13:30] <DanielRichman> timbobel: can you send a recording of it?
[13:30] <timbobel> im now in the car on the dike over the ijsselmeer
[13:30] <Lunar_Lander> tim do you at least have a landing prediction?
[13:31] <wimpiedim> I think it will land in Germany?
[13:32] <timbobel> nope
[13:32] <timbobel> it will land around heerenveen, friesland
[13:32] <timbobel> there is a release mechanism that'll probably work (not even sure if the gps has lock)
[13:32] <timbobel> if that is the case it will land in Heerenveen, Friesland
[13:32] <timbobel> otherwise it will land just in germany next to groningen
[13:34] <timbobel> next time im going for CW =)
[13:34] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[13:34] <Lunar_Lander> did I congratulate you for your license?
[13:34] <Lunar_Lander> I think I did in the mail
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[13:39] <wimpiedim> Did your RTTY signal work on ground level?
[13:40] <timbobel> did not test within 5 mins before we let go
[13:40] <timbobel> something probably shorted something
[13:40] <timbobel> at least it works
[13:40] <timbobel> i will get textmessages (SMS) every 30 seconds when its <1000m, and that works very reliably
[13:42] <wimpiedim> And if your GPS has no fix, you stil send RTTY to ground?
[13:46] <timbobel> Yes!
[13:47] <timbobel> But there is something with the radio, and the annoying thing is, is that we do have some data comming through
[13:47] <SpeedEvil> It may not actually get a signal till much closer to the gound than 1000m
[13:47] <timbobel> but not really usefyl
[13:47] <timbobel> yeah it sends SMS'es from 1000m on
[13:47] <SpeedEvil> Depends where you are.
[13:48] <timbobel> last time the first received was 250m (and that was above the middle of the Ijsselmeer (super big lake)
[13:48] <SpeedEvil> Hopefuly it'll work when it lands though
[13:48] <SpeedEvil> even if not
[13:48] <SpeedEvil> I guess it diddn't go well?
[13:49] <Darkside> timbobel: can you record and upload some of the audio somewhere?
[13:49] <Darkside> so we can take a look?
[13:49] <Darkside> record a bit to mp3 and filebin.ca the file
[13:50] <timbobel> nah at the moment
[13:50] <timbobel> i am not even getting two seperate lines or frequencys
[13:50] <timbobel> just one
[13:50] <timbobel> probably the shift got even more ginormous
[13:51] <fsphil> what frequency?
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[13:53] <Darkside> timbobel: what frequency are you transmitting on
[13:53] <timbobel> 434.640 ish
[13:53] <timbobel> 434.650~
[13:54] <timbobel> i just found out the shift is around 3500hz or something
[13:54] <wimpiedim> Did you double check your custom RTTY baud settings in dl-fldigi? Is it on 5n1?
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[13:55] <timbobel> thats now it
[13:55] <Darkside> i wonder if you could use 2 radios to decode it
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[13:55] <timbobel> i should have 2 lines for rtty i only had 1
[13:55] <timbobel> =)
[13:55] <Randomskk> to be honest
[13:56] <Randomskk> you should only need one line to decode RTTY
[13:56] <Darkside> sounds like something got bumped
[13:56] <Randomskk> just assume when you don't have signal it's on the other frequency
[13:56] <timbobel> yeah
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[13:56] <Darkside> Randomskk: very true, eh
[13:56] <timbobel> random: i know but still
[13:56] <timbobel> doesnt extract anything
[13:57] <timbobel> how do you stop the lines from automatically moving away
[13:57] <timbobel> on flidig
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[13:58] <timbobel> AFC?
[13:58] <fsphil> yea bit it only works if the shift is correct
[14:01] <fsphil> is the frequency dropping steady or moving about all over the place?
[14:03] <wimpiedim> are your bars in fligig moving away?
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[14:03] <timbobel> not anymore
[14:03] <timbobel> they were before, quite fast as well
[14:04] <wimpiedim> there is also a AFC setting that you can change between fast and slow
[14:05] <EAJ> Overhere I hear a beeping sound on 434.7375. That should be it ?
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[14:07] <timbobel> haha yeah i guess so
[14:07] <timbobel> where are you located?
[14:07] <EAJ> Eric from Heerenveen
[14:08] <timbobel> im now in Heerenveen, and the signal is VERY clear
[14:08] <EAJ> Then we are quite close
[14:08] <timbobel> hahaha i think itll land soon, ill be receiving an sms shrotly i think
[14:08] <EAJ> ok
[14:08] <EAJ> Please let me know about the last location.
[14:08] <timbobel> OK
[14:08] <fsphil> hope so
[14:08] <timbobel> signal is almost gone?
[14:08] <fsphil> does it sound like it's falling? should make a fluttering sound
[14:10] <EAJ> no it is still very clear without any fluttering
[14:11] <Darkside> is there an SDR receiver on 70cm around there?
[14:11] <fsphil> there wasn't the last time I looked
[14:11] <Darkside> ahh it was only HF
[14:11] <Darkside> and its offline atm anyway
[14:11] <fsphil> yea
[14:12] <EAJ> I'm only working with a Bearcat 9000 XLT normally used for radiosonde receiving
[14:14] <EAJ> I have the fldigi software running but it won't decode any signals
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[14:16] <timbobel> me neither
[14:17] <timbobel> there is something very wrong with the signal
[14:17] <timbobel> thats obvious
[14:19] <EAJ> are you trying to follow the sonde with 'normal' antenne's
[14:19] <EAJ> Like a yagi for direction finfing ?
[14:20] <EAJ> finding
[14:20] <EAJ> Signal getting a bit weaker again here in Heerenveen
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[14:23] <timbobel> didnt bring it
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[14:24] <EAJ> ok
[14:24] <Randomskk> well I just spent three hours modelling a switch in 3d
[14:24] <Randomskk> go me
[14:24] <timbobel> dont thing the release mechanism is working
[14:25] <SpeedEvil> Randomskk: Do you have awesome shadows?
[14:25] <Randomskk> SpeedEvil: I have a polygon mesh
[14:25] <Randomskk> awesome shadows are the job of the renderer
[14:25] <SpeedEvil> Woo! Hawt.
[14:26] <Randomskk> and I don't even have a screw thread on the thing, because I can't work out a good way of doing it :(
[14:26] <Randomskk> but there we go
[14:26] <EAJ> No I still don't here fluttering so it should still 'hang'
[14:26] <SpeedEvil> Do we think it's burst yet?
[14:26] <SpeedEvil> What's the predicted alt?
[14:28] <timbobel> 22000
[14:28] <EAJ> Are you using a 600 grams balloon ?
[14:28] <timbobel> 1200
[14:29] <timbobel> but i filled it up with loads of helium
[14:29] <juxta> that's a very low burst alt for a 1200g balloon
[14:29] <EAJ> Those types typically burst at 30 km depending on the helium filling
[14:29] <juxta> how much helium?
[14:29] <timbobel> i know i flew this before (www.hollandshoogte.nl) see HoHoHo I
[14:29] <timbobel> ehm i just put it in the burst calculator
[14:29] <timbobel> BUT since the release mechanism isnt working it is possible it could still be going up
[14:30] <EAJ> Are you fllowing the A7 highway to Groningen ?
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[14:31] <SpeedEvil> Did you get any telemetry at the start - wehat was the ascent ratge?
[14:31] <SpeedEvil> rate
[14:32] <timbobel> ascent rate around 3~4m/s
[14:32] <timbobel> not very fast
[14:32] <timbobel> no the telemtry was bad
[14:32] <timbobel> BUT at least it had a 1200HZ shift, couldnt detect it though
[14:33] <timbobel> because my line-in wasnt properly connected in the Yaesu it turned out so i had a lot of cracking noise
[14:33] <timbobel> so now i have around 4000hz shift
[14:33] <juxta> how much does the payload weigh timbobel?
[14:35] <timbobel> the scale was crap so not sure
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[14:35] <timbobel> prob. between 1.5~2.0 couldnt get a clear reading
[14:35] <timbobel> due to the heap of snow
[14:36] <juxta> if it's going up at 3-4m/s and weighs 1.5-2kg, you probably dont have a huge amount of helium in it - it will probably get close to 30km
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[14:37] <M0DTS> If it's higher up then more stations should be hearing something, anyone in UK hearing it?
[14:38] <fsphil> nothing here, but that's not really unexpected
[14:38] <fsphil> if you don't hear it, I'm not :)
[14:39] <M0DTS> no not a peep!
[14:39] <fsphil> that puts an upper limit on the altitude then
[14:40] <fsphil> below 30km I'd estimate
[14:41] <fsphil> cambridge is over 500km from me and I near those launches once they hit about 20km
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[14:41] <timbobel> hmm
[14:41] <M0DTS> i have local hills so my lowest elevation is probably ~1.2deg in that direction.. will have to calculate...
[14:42] <fsphil> timbobel, what's your dial frequency on the radio?
[14:44] <timbobel> USB, i head a RTTY line at 434.653.22 and one at 434.647.43
[14:44] <timbobel> so theres like a 5000hz shift i guess
[14:44] <juxta> what do you hear with your radio in FM mode timbobel?
[14:45] <timbobel> noise
[14:46] <SpeedEvil> A low coarse buzzing?
[14:46] <SpeedEvil> Or noise
[14:46] <juxta> with 5000hz shift I would have thought you'd be able to hear something
[14:47] <timbobel> noise
[14:47] <timbobel> but theyre fine lines
[14:48] <Lunar_Lander> tim amy I ask something on the cutdown?
[14:48] <Lunar_Lander> *may
[14:48] <timbobel> y
[14:48] <Lunar_Lander> is it designed to be automatic or with radio command?
[14:48] <timbobel> probably the servo froze up because i didnt feel like removing grease, but it was insulated very well
[14:49] <timbobel> no its around a certain latitude
[14:49] <timbobel> or above a certain alt
[14:49] <Lunar_Lander> ah ok
[14:49] <timbobel> or when decending
[14:49] <timbobel> those 33
[14:49] <timbobel> 3
[14:49] <Lunar_Lander> ah you set it for 33 km?
[14:49] <timbobel> no
[14:49] <timbobel> 22k
[14:49] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[14:50] <Lunar_Lander> and launch time was 13:53?
[14:50] <timbobel> 1337 i think
[14:50] <Lunar_Lander> ah ok
[14:52] <juxta> i'm off to bed - good luck timbobel, hopefully you can retrieve it via the SMS backup!
[14:52] <timbobel> thanks man
[14:52] <timbobel> have a good one
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[14:52] <Lunar_Lander> so we are just under25 km
[14:52] <Lunar_Lander> good night juxta
[14:52] <timbobel> lunar: what do you mean?
[14:52] <juxta> night all
[14:52] <EAJ> Just made a calculation. With asccent at 4 m/s, burst at 30 k and descent with 8 m/s landing should be near Papenburg, Germany
[14:52] <Lunar_Lander> I assumed 3 m/s ascent rate
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[14:53] <timbobel> weird thing is is that the frequency is not shifting a bit anymore for the past age
[14:53] <Lunar_Lander> and tried to figure out the altitude
[14:53] <timbobel> yeah okay but the balloon was very full of helium so i dont expect it to go high
[14:53] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[14:53] <EAJ> I will make a calclation for 25 km then
[14:54] <Lunar_Lander> the good thing is that we can be sure that the balloon will pop
[14:54] <timbobel> i guess
[14:54] <EAJ> Thats for sure
[14:54] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[14:54] <Lunar_Lander> and that is when Archimede hands over to Newton
[14:55] <EAJ> Burst at 25 km's makes a landing east of Assen
[14:55] <timbobel> were now around groningen
[14:56] <timbobel> heading for ~assen
[14:56] <EAJ> I saw the descent rate at HHI was quite high so I used 8 m/s for this calculation
[14:56] <Lunar_Lander> by the way
[14:56] <Lunar_Lander> did you use the same arrangement of the chute as in august?
[14:56] <timbobel> no
[14:56] <timbobel> due to the release mechanism its different
[14:56] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[14:57] <Lunar_Lander> is it stretched out like in the big balloons?
[14:57] <timbobel> what?
[14:58] <EAJ> Signal here in Heerenveen is still very good
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[14:58] <timbobel> how is it evolving with you?
[14:58] <timbobel> it seems to stay at the exact same freq
[14:58] <fsphil> are you sure it's the payload your hearing EAJ?
[14:58] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.dlr.de/Portaldata/1/Resources/portal_news/newsarchiv2009_3/sunrise_start.jpg
[14:59] <Lunar_Lander> I mean like the chute in this configuration
[15:00] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.dlr.de/Portaldata/1/Resources/portal_news/newsarchiv2009_3/SUNRISE_hochzeit.jpg
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[15:01] <fsphil> the signal I'm watching just started wobbling
[15:01] <EAJ> I am hearing a repeating beep every every 5 seconds or so
[15:01] <timbobel> what freq
[15:01] <timbobel> it should be 343.650 around that
[15:01] <EAJ> 434.7375
[15:02] <fsphil> that's very unlikely to be it EAJ
[15:02] <fsphil> it should sound something like this: http://www.kb9ukd.com/digital/rtty45.wav
[15:03] <fsphil> well, normally when the shift is right
[15:03] <timbobel> EJA: thats not me
[15:03] <timbobel> thats someone elses domex or something
[15:03] <EAJ> strange. You gave me the freq 434.650 this morning
[15:04] <fsphil> 434.750 is correct
[15:04] <fsphil> I think the 343 is a typo :)
[15:04] <timbobel> it should really be between 434.645-434.655
[15:04] <EAJ> on 343.650 I hear a pulse
[15:04] <timbobel> t
[15:05] <timbobel> could be me
[15:05] <timbobel> i am just hearing one beep below 650 and a cont. beep above 650
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[15:05] <timbobel> oh well
[15:06] <EAJ> when you were near Heerenveen I had the beeping at 434.7375 like you very load
[15:06] <EAJ> loud
[15:06] <fsphil> the ntx2 shouldn't drift that far
[15:06] <timbobel> hmmz
[15:06] <timbobel> i had that at 650
[15:06] <timbobel> no it wasnt me i think if it was 7375
[15:06] <fsphil> and normally drops with temperature
[15:07] <timbobel> at herenveen i had an veeery good signal at 650
[15:07] <EAJ> I will make a recrding an email it to you for later analasys
[15:07] <timbobel> roger
[15:07] <timbobel> entering drenthe..
[15:07] <fsphil> The shift character is a bit of a flaw with baudot -- if that character is missed, every character after that will be wrong
[15:08] <fsphil> until the next shift
[15:09] <timbobel> i know but thats not the prob
[15:09] <fsphil> I know, just thinking out loud :)
[15:09] <Darkside> mmmmm dont like baudot...
[15:09] <Darkside> much prefer ASCII
[15:09] <Darkside> more data to send, yes, but its just... easier
[15:10] <fsphil> yea - plus the 1:1 relationship between symbol and character
[15:10] <fsphil> makes it more reliable
[15:10] <Darkside> hell, i was sending 8-bit ascii
[15:10] <Darkside> thats a whole bit wasted there :P
[15:10] <fsphil> totally :)
[15:10] <fsphil> I had a patch that unset the 8th bit
[15:10] <timbobel> mehh not entirely true
[15:10] <fsphil> don't know if it made any difference
[15:10] <Darkside> juxta now uses 7-bit ascii :P
[15:11] <Darkside> thing is, when you're TXing at 300 baud, who cares
[15:11] <fsphil> definitely
[15:11] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[15:11] <Darkside> you still get a crapload of data through
[15:11] <timbobel> not if you define succes as an entirely good string
[15:11] <timbobel> a flaw in ascii will not ruin the entire string but youd still miss a char
[15:11] <fsphil> and I need 8-bit for my funky images ;-)
[15:11] <Lunar_Lander> isn't baud obsolte anyway?
[15:11] <Lunar_Lander> *obsolete
[15:11] <fsphil> if it wasn't for the shift, it would probably be better
[15:12] <fsphil> but you just can't fit an entire useable character set in 5 bits
[15:12] <timbobel> then it'd be great!
[15:12] <timbobel> sure you can
[15:12] <timbobel> you only need numbers and some , . $ * #
[15:13] <fsphil> there's not enough room for the letters and numbers
[15:13] <Randomskk> just transmit raw binary data, you efficiency weirdos
[15:13] <fsphil> lol
[15:14] <Lunar_Lander> btw do you know what I just thought?
[15:14] <EAJ> I have to leave now. Will join later
[15:14] <fsphil> text is better -- it allows everyone to join in the tracking :)
[15:14] <Darkside> Randomskk: oh shush
[15:14] <Randomskk> '52' as a decimal degree is much more efficiently transmitted as 110100
[15:14] <Randomskk> that's like, six bytes
[15:14] <EAJ> Have made recordings of both freqs and will email them
[15:14] <Randomskk> compared to even 10 for baudot
[15:14] <Lunar_Lander> I thought how one of these 50's mags would talk about us
[15:14] <Lunar_Lander> like
[15:14] <Lunar_Lander> "Amateurs launch robot balloons to the fringe of Earth's flimsy hull of air"
[15:15] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[15:15] <Randomskk> I mean, seriously, one continuous binary stream for the numbers, they're basically all integers or fixed point anyway
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[15:16] <Randomskk> basically transmit 8 bits per byte and use ascii and stop worrying :P
[15:16] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[15:18] <fsphil> this thing must be near bursting by now
[15:18] <fsphil> unless you've developed a leak
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[15:20] <Sgisgimobile> sim card in the gps module has international roaming enabled?
[15:20] <timbobel> yeah
[15:21] <timbobel> leak is pretty possible
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[15:22] <jcoxon> afternoon
[15:23] <jcoxon> hohoho launched?
[15:23] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[15:23] <Lunar_Lander> approxmation shows 29.8 km altitude now
[15:23] <jcoxon> not on the map though?
[15:24] <SpeedEvil> The telemetry is buggered
[15:24] <SpeedEvil> ~5KHz or something of shift
[15:24] <jcoxon> eek
[15:25] <jcoxon> last known freq?
[15:27] <SpeedEvil> (03:06:10 PM) EAJ: when you were near Heerenveen I had the beeping at 434.7375 like you very load
[15:29] <jcoxon> oh well
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[15:34] <Lunar_Lander> yeah it has been a busy three hours so far
[15:34] <Lunar_Lander> the balloon should approach the 32 km level now if it still has 3 m/s
[15:37] <Sgisgimobile> which would be close to max alt for a 1200gram balloon?
[15:37] <jcoxon> Sgisgimobile, getting there
[15:41] <jcoxon> also got the HF flight this evening
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[15:43] <fsphil> sooooo cooooold
[15:43] <fsphil> oh yea, what frequency jcoxon?
[15:43] <fsphil> I'll try to get my vertical up
[15:44] <jcoxon> last time i spoke with bill it was 7.102Mhz USB
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[15:45] <fsphil> k
[15:45] <fsphil> unlikely to receive that too but will give me a good excuse to get this vertical going
[15:45] <jcoxon> hehe
[15:45] <Lunar_Lander> to clarify, this is a launch in the US?
[15:45] <jcoxon> this is the big test in some ways
[15:45] <jcoxon> Lunar_Lander, yeah
[15:46] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[15:46] <jcoxon> fsphil, as HF tracking was what dl-fldigi was initally designed for
[15:46] <Lunar_Lander> and he is trying out new comms I heard
[15:46] <jcoxon> Lunar_Lander, well its a recently built HF transmitter
[15:46] <fsphil> aah cool -- when was the whole tracker/listener system first used?
[15:46] <Lunar_Lander> ah cool
[15:49] <jcoxon> 2008
[15:49] <jcoxon> but spacenear.us is oldere then that
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[15:53] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil are you still receiving the HHH III ?
[15:54] <fsphil> I think it's just local noise Lunar_Lander
[15:54] <fsphil> whatever it is has got weaker though
[15:54] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[15:54] <fsphil> I think he'd need to be well above 35km before I'd receive it
[15:54] <jcoxon> yeah - unless the signal is well followed its hard to pick it up at full range
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[15:58] <jcoxon> hmmm need to persuade wb8elk to upgrade his dl-fldigi
[15:58] <jcoxon> he still uses r85
[15:58] <fsphil> antique
[15:58] <Lunar_Lander> and I wonder what happens in Tim's car now
[15:58] <fsphil> lets hope he got the sms
[16:00] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[16:00] <Lunar_Lander> the balloon should have popped by now
[16:01] <jcoxon> fsphil, globaltuners will be useful for the HF flight
[16:02] <fsphil> good idea
[16:02] <jcoxon> just need to loop back
[16:03] <jcoxon> the sound
[16:03] <fsphil> there's a way to get pulseaudio to record it's own output, need to dig that out
[16:04] <jcoxon> i use soundflower on my mac
[16:04] <jcoxon> as a loopback sound device - so easy to sue
[16:04] <jcoxon> use*
[16:04] <fsphil> yea, pulseaudio is lacking in the easy to use department
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[16:06] <Randomskk> padevmanage or something might be your friend
[16:11] <fsphil> pavucontrol did the trick
[16:15] <fsphil> would a building get in the way of an HF signal? the house is west from where the vertical will stand
[16:22] <jcoxon> yes and no
[16:22] <m1x10> is there any humidity sensor that runs at 3v3 ?
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[16:37] <jcoxon> we should so send a dl-fldigi compatible cubesat up
[16:41] <Randomskk> m1x10: many, like the SHT15
[16:42] <Randomskk> jcoxon: if you're footing the bill... :P
[16:42] <fsphil> jcoxon, that's the ultimate goal :)
[16:42] <fsphil> if we all start saving now ....
[16:43] <jcoxon> Randomskk, ain't earnt enough yet...
[16:44] <jcoxon> just need to persuade some other cubesat people to adopt our protocol
[16:44] <fsphil> they'd certainly gain a few tracking stations if they did that
[16:45] <jcoxon> wow our new dl-fldigi r114 has been downloaded 30 times
[16:57] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[16:57] <Lunar_Lander> I hope Tim is OK
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[17:19] <fsphil> man that vertical is big
[17:19] <fsphil> the neighbours are gonna love it ;)
[17:19] <jcoxon> all set then?
[17:20] <fsphil> just gonna tune it up, it has a manual tuner coil
[17:20] <fsphil> maybe try a few bits of wire for a ground plane
[17:21] <EAJ> Hi, I'm back again. Just wondering what the situatio is right now.
[17:21] <fsphil> I wonder if snow is conductive ...
[17:22] <fsphil> no news in the channel so far EAJ
[17:22] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[17:25] <Lunar_Lander> I hope tim can come online at one point
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[17:33] <Lunar_Lander> hi Pe4
[17:33] <Pe4> hi
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[17:37] <m1x10> Lunar_Lander !
[17:37] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[17:37] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[17:37] <jcoxon> ping fsphil
[17:38] <m1x10> lol
[17:38] <m1x10> i dont know what to do
[17:38] <Lunar_Lander> well
[17:38] <Lunar_Lander> as we got no news from holland
[17:38] <m1x10> go out or stay and sleep
[17:38] <Lunar_Lander> and check this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgUUoWFrTWY
[17:40] <m1x10> tomorrow we go for shooting in the shooting field and i dont know many things
[17:40] Action: m1x10 is gonna get punished
[17:40] <fsphil> pong jcoxon
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[17:41] <Lunar_Lander> m1x10 did you check the vid?
[17:41] <jcoxon> fsphil, no worries worked it out
[17:41] <fsphil> haha, np
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[17:43] <m1x10> Lunar_Lander: lol whats the point?
[17:43] <Lunar_Lander> XD I laughed my butt off when they crushed that damn toy castle
[17:47] <m1x10> Lunar_Lander how is german for IT work?
[17:47] <m1x10> germany*
[17:48] <Lunar_Lander> Informatik
[17:49] <Lunar_Lander> oh sorry xD
[17:49] <Lunar_Lander> yeah I suppose with companies like Siemens it is quite a good place
[17:50] <sgisgi> Germany had quite a few CCIE's last time a looked, I'm assuming there must be demand for networking folk
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[17:55] <m1x10> siemens lol
[17:55] <m1x10> we got scandals with siemens
[17:56] <fsphil> there's a fair crowed of listeners across the Atlantic now
[17:56] <fsphil> crowed?
[17:56] <fsphil> crowd
[17:57] <m1x10> whats going on with hohoho3 ?
[17:57] <fsphil> I'm sure they have their fair share of crows too
[17:57] <fsphil> still no news
[17:57] <m1x10> is it going to get pictures?
[17:57] <fsphil> it had lots of cameras, so I hope so
[17:58] Action: m1x10 tries to convert his 5v based system to 3v3
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[18:00] <EAJ> Just cheched in again. Still no news ?
[18:00] <fsphil> negative
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[18:08] <Lunar_Lander> m1x10 http://cgi.ebay.de/AMF-WYOTT-74-2153-Automatic-Waste-Compactor-/350420676647?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5196b33027#shId
[18:14] <m1x10> no way punk!
[18:14] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[18:29] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBigPpKsOYE&feature=related
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[18:41] <jcoxon> okay so wb8elk launch will be 2230 UTC
[18:43] <jcoxon> so long to wait...
[18:47] <fsphil> ah, no rush with the setup then
[18:47] <M0DTS> Oh well.. might put a vertical wire up but doubt i'l hear anything, never have heard a HF balloon yet.
[18:48] <fsphil> nor me, but my hf antennas have always been rubbish
[18:50] <jcoxon> mine have been rubbish as well
[18:50] <jcoxon> i'm going to go down the globaltuners route
[18:51] <jcoxon> is it sad that i like the way on the spacenear map you can see more and more stations coming online
[18:51] <Lunar_Lander> why should it be sad?
[18:51] <M0DTS> i see, anyone got some software/formula for calcualting balloon horizons?
[18:52] <jcoxon> M0DTS, well spacenear.us will do it for us :-)
[18:52] <M0DTS> true ;-)
[18:52] <jcoxon> but i guess HF is a whole different kettle of fish
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[18:54] <Lunar_Lander> M0DTS ?
[18:54] <Lunar_Lander> the scientific ballooning handbook says
[18:55] <Lunar_Lander> radio-horizon distance to a balloon from a ground station is D=3h/2)^(1/2)
[18:55] Nick change: M0DTS -> M0DTS_Rob
[18:55] <Lunar_Lander> h is altitude in feet
[18:55] <Lunar_Lander> and D is then in statue miles
[18:55] <Lunar_Lander> statute
[18:56] <Lunar_Lander> and propagation distance is D=(2h)^(1/2)
[18:56] <Lunar_Lander> for 30 km that gives a max. range of 714 km
[18:56] <M0DTS_Rob> thanks, i'l put it into excel
[18:56] <Lunar_Lander> you're welcome
[18:56] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[19:00] <fsphil> that makes sense
[19:01] <fsphil> antenna ready.. I think
[19:01] <fsphil> ground plane is rubbish, but I can hear stuff
[19:03] <fsphil> propagation prediction says things should get better as the night goes on: http://www.infotechcomms.net/propcharts/
[19:09] <GW8RAK> For point to point predictions, have a look at http://www.ips.gov.au/HF_Systems/7/1/3
[19:09] <Lunar_Lander> btw while we are talking about radio
[19:10] <Lunar_Lander> you know, I know a couple who will become parents
[19:10] <Lunar_Lander> and they are like "Oh no the WLAN and the cell phone in the bedroom must be banned!"
[19:10] <Lunar_Lander> I actually calculated for them the energies of a WLAN wave and an X-Ray photon
[19:10] <Lunar_Lander> and compared that
[19:10] <Lunar_Lander> but they didn't listen
[19:10] <GW8RAK> Don't let science and proof get in the way!
[19:11] <GW8RAK> Irrational fears have to be taken seriously
[19:11] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:11] <Randomskk> haven't they seen the latest news?
[19:11] <fsphil> so they've banned the microwave oven then too?
[19:11] <Randomskk> http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/blog/2010/dec/17/mobile-phone-masts-birth-rate
[19:12] <Lunar_Lander> I think they still have that one
[19:12] <Lunar_Lander> thanks Randomskk
[19:12] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[19:12] <fsphil> I'd say it puts out a heck of a lot more than a wlan
[19:12] <Lunar_Lander> lol remember how peeps said that cell phones melt the brains of people?
[19:12] <Lunar_Lander> like 10 years ago
[19:14] <GW8RAK> But it must be true. A bloke I know, knows someone, who lives next door to someone and his brother has a melted brain.
[19:14] <Lunar_Lander> xD!
[19:14] <fsphil> we should ban *all* forms of radiation!
[19:14] <GW8RAK> What HF frequency is the American balloon on?
[19:14] <fsphil> only then will we be safe :)
[19:15] <fsphil> 7.077 USB
[19:16] <GW8RAK> Using the Aussie prediction tools above. it doesn't look like there will be propagation from the US to UK on 7MHz unless the balloon comes far west.
[19:17] <fsphil> I can't get that applet working
[19:17] <GW8RAK> But, if I'm reading them correctly, there is a possiblity. They are predicting 8Mhz as the lowest, but these predictions always have some doubt.
[19:18] <GW8RAK> http://www.ips.gov.au/HF_Systems/7/1/1 Try this one. Click on the source and draw a box. Do Prediction and voila
[19:19] <fsphil> must be something up with java on this machine
[19:20] <fsphil> wspr might actually be a good test, see if I can hear anyone from the area
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[19:25] <jcoxon> evening natrium42
[19:25] <natrium42> hi jcoxon
[19:25] <jcoxon> HF antenna up and ready to go?
[19:25] <natrium42> how did hohoho launch go?
[19:25] <jcoxon> natrium42, still nothing reported
[19:26] <jcoxon> big issues with radio reception
[19:26] <natrium42> HF ant is ready
[19:26] <natrium42> ah :S
[19:26] <jcoxon> i think they were waitinf for the sms
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[19:27] <natrium42> shall we enable predictions?
[19:27] <jcoxon> yeah i was thinking that as well
[19:27] <Lunar_Lander> hi natrium42
[19:27] <jcoxon> i assume its just a normal flight path
[19:27] <natrium42> hi Lunar_Lander
[19:27] <natrium42> is it a latex balloon?
[19:28] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[19:28] <Lunar_Lander> 1200
[19:28] <natrium42> oh, ok
[19:28] <jcoxon> Lunar_Lander, wb8elk's balloon?
[19:28] <Lunar_Lander> oh sorry
[19:28] <Lunar_Lander> I thought natrium meant the hohoho
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[19:35] <GW8RAK> For anyone waiting around this evening, there is a high angle pass of the Hope Satellite with a downlink on 435.675. AOS at about 20.44hrs and LOS at 2104 hrs, FM.
[19:36] <Lunar_Lander> wait
[19:36] <Lunar_Lander> wait a minute
[19:36] <Lunar_Lander> isn't Hope scheduled to launch in February?
[19:36] <GW8RAK> There may be another one. This is Hope Oscar 68
[19:37] <GW8RAK> Launch 15th December last year
[19:37] <GW8RAK> The beacon on 435.790 is generally easier to hear
[19:43] <m1x10> hi natrium42
[19:43] <natrium42> hi m1x10
[19:44] <Lunar_Lander> sorry for the delay GW8RAK
[19:44] <Lunar_Lander> my PC messed up
[19:44] <Lunar_Lander> sorry again
[19:44] <GW8RAK> no probs
[19:45] <Lunar_Lander> the satellite I meant is called "Glory"
[19:45] <GW8RAK> Haven't heard of that one, but I have been out of satellites for some time. Been too busy with latex projects
[19:46] <SpeedEvil> Oh-er!
[19:46] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:46] <Lunar_Lander> Glory is a research sat
[19:46] <Lunar_Lander> but I forgot for what
[19:46] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:47] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[19:47] <Lunar_Lander> earth's energy balance
[19:52] <Lunar_Lander> yeah what can we do to pass time till the american launch
[19:52] <Lunar_Lander> that Brooklyn launch was on TV like an hour ago
[19:56] <GW8RAK> Compare temperatures? It's -8 outside now.
[19:56] <GW8RAK> Today's high was -3
[19:56] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:57] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiMYlAOSa6w
[19:59] <GW8RAK> I still like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=364dzVsBs2o
[19:59] <fsphil> tip: don't work with large aluminium antennas in sub-zero temperatures without gloves :)
[19:59] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[20:00] <fsphil> lol
[20:00] <Lunar_Lander> ROFL GW8RAK
[20:00] <fsphil> that poor garden!
[20:00] <Dave-M0MYA> evening
[20:01] <m1x10> bye all
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[20:02] <Dave-M0MYA> could anyone tell me the next step to installing dl-fldigi on ubuntu 10.10 after adding the PPA using apt-get-repository, please?
[20:04] <jonsowman> http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:dl-fldigi:build-ubuntu
[20:05] <jonsowman> that help?
[20:05] <Dave-M0MYA> yes indeedy, thank you
[20:05] <Dave-M0MYA> while I have you.... =)
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[20:06] <jonsowman> those are also known working on maverick, I've just done it
[20:06] <jonsowman> :)
[20:07] <Dave-M0MYA> I've messing about with librtty (hence installing dl-fldigi) - I've only got it set up by ear ATM, but I have a 1k multi-turn pot coming off my I/O pin and its a very "lopsided" divider to get a reasonable sounding shift - does that seem right?
[20:08] <jonsowman> you should have approximately 0.2V voltage shift to get 300-400 shift
[20:08] <fsphil> hmm... my vertical is producing 8mV :)
[20:10] <Dave-M0MYA> hmmm, I have about a tenth of that, but it sounds like a fairly close shift atm - I've yet to look at it on a waterfall
[20:10] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKvLeIZDk1k
[20:10] <jonsowman> Dave-M0MYA: righto :)
[20:10] <jonsowman> also I must say that librtty is completely untested yet
[20:11] <jonsowman> it should be complete but it's never even been downloaded to an arduino
[20:11] <jonsowman> just havent had the time I'm afraid
[20:11] <Dave-M0MYA> ;O
[20:11] <Dave-M0MYA> :O
[20:11] <Dave-M0MYA> madness!
[20:11] <Dave-M0MYA> well, so far so good, I'll keep you posted!
[20:12] <jonsowman> let me know if things don't work, I'll do my best to help
[20:12] <Dave-M0MYA> thank you ;)
[20:12] <Dave-M0MYA> :)
[20:12] Action: Dave-M0MYA can't seem to use a shift key these days - makes me permanently winky
[20:12] <jonsowman> haha
[20:15] <jonsowman> anyway apologies for a non-complete library, but maybe it will Just Work
[20:16] <jonsowman> I can't make any guarantees though
[20:18] <jonsowman> let me know how things go :) I'll be interested to see how it performs
[20:19] <fsphil> up to 12mv now
[20:20] <fsphil> but no current .. ah well, there goes my idea for free electric :)
[20:21] <jonsowman> lol
[20:23] <natrium> is the payload in dl-fldigi borked for just me?
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[20:23] <natrium> payload dropdown, that is
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[20:24] <jonsowman> natrium: what version?
[20:24] <jonsowman> fine here on r114 on OSX
[20:24] <natrium> r114
[20:24] <jonsowman> hmm, odd
[20:24] <natrium> it worked when i started the program the first tome
[20:24] <natrium> *time
[20:25] <jonsowman> what os?
[20:25] <natrium> win7
[20:25] <natrium> also when i click Raw Data, it keeps appending strings to the url
[20:25] <natrium> like "http://robertharrison.org/listen/listen.phplisten.phplisten.php"
[20:25] <natrium> now "http://robertharrison.org/listen/listen.phplisten.phplisten.phplisten.php"
[20:25] <jonsowman> oh dear
[20:26] Action: natrium checks config files
[20:26] <jonsowman> jcoxon or fsphil: any idea?
[20:26] <natrium> does it store config in registry on windows?
[20:26] <jonsowman> I'm not really a dl-fldigi person, but it's working fine here on both OSX and Ubuntu
[20:26] <jonsowman> haven't got a Win7 machine to hand at present
[20:26] <jonsowman> brb
[20:27] <fsphil> the list is loaded each time
[20:27] <natrium> :S
[20:28] <fsphil> there's a cache too
[20:28] <natrium> fsphil, what about Raw Data?
[20:28] <natrium> try restarting the app too
[20:28] <fsphil> try deleting that? search for dl_fldigi_cache.xml
[20:29] <natrium> "The requested URL /listen/listen.phpallpayloads.php was not found on this server."
[20:29] <natrium> there is the problem
[20:29] <DanielRichman> ok
[20:29] <DanielRichman> go find the URL box in the config menu
[20:29] <natrium> why does it keep appending the file name?
[20:29] <DanielRichman> I think it's meant to b e /listen only
[20:29] <fsphil> ohh, that happened here too
[20:29] <DanielRichman> maybe there's a .append somewhere without copying the string first....
[20:30] <natrium> DanielRichman, the url box is "http://robertharrison.org/listen/listen.php"
[20:30] <natrium> btw, that site gives "FAILED: Field count failed expecting 0 fields received 1 fields "
[20:31] <fsphil> cb_mnuVisitURL(0, (void*)string(progdefaults.server_location.append("listen.php")).c_str());
[20:31] <fsphil> oops :)
[20:31] <natrium> hehe
[20:31] <DanielRichman> it should be
[20:31] <DanielRichman> ELEM_(std::string, server_location, "SERVER_LOC", "Server location", "http://robertharrison.org/listen/")
[20:32] <DanielRichman> also fsphil - the SSDV items in configuration.h need a \ on the end of the line? I don't think they're being included.
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[20:32] <fsphil> they do?
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[20:33] <DanielRichman> notice different syntax hilighting in https://github.com/jamescoxon/dl-fldigi/blob/master/src/include/configuration.h
[20:35] <fsphil> there's a | instead of an \ after SERVER_LOC
[20:35] <DanielRichman> that's weird
[20:35] <fsphil> that really shouldn't work at all
[20:36] <DanielRichman> ok the reason I thought that there were no \ after the SSDV items is because the lines were too long
[20:36] <fsphil> it's a backslash on my copy
[20:36] <fsphil> github bug?
[20:36] <DanielRichman> yeah probably. My mistake ;)
[20:36] <fsphil> pushed a fix for the endless append
[20:37] <DanielRichman> cool
[20:37] <DanielRichman> does .append("asdf") modify the original string?
[20:37] <fsphil> yes
[20:37] <fsphil> a C++'ism I guess
[20:38] <Lunar_Lander> spoken text is unimportant, just pay attention at the expressions of the guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H2B7pFIRwY
[20:38] <DanielRichman> there's some in dl_fldigi.cxx too...
[20:38] <DanielRichman> server_location_complete.append("listen.test.php")
[20:38] <DanielRichman> I can't even remember if we should be using listen.test.php or listen.php >.>
[20:42] <fsphil> those are ok, it's making a copy of the progdefaults value and appending to that
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[20:46] <M0DTS_Rob> Been out in the snow and put a 9m long vertical antenna up at 25' here for 40m...being optimistic :-)
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[20:47] <fsphil> nice
[20:48] <fsphil> what did you make it out of?
[20:48] <fsphil> this one here is 5m I think
[20:50] <jonsowman> DanielRichman: what did you change in listen.test.php
[20:50] <jonsowman> I think I remember you doing that
[20:51] <jcoxon> have you guys broken it?
[20:51] <natrium> sowwy
[20:51] <natrium> =)
[20:51] <Lunar_Lander> OK
[20:51] <Lunar_Lander> american flight in 9 minutes?
[20:51] <jcoxon> Lunar_Lander, 2230
[20:51] <Lunar_Lander> ah ok
[20:54] <jcoxon> natrium so is it working for you?
[20:55] <natrium> yes, but it breaks if you restart dl-fldigi
[20:55] <natrium> need to remove listener.php from the server url
[20:55] <jcoxon> eek
[20:55] <natrium> err, listen.php
[20:55] <jcoxon> hmmm why hasn't this cropped up before
[20:56] <natrium> wait, it's ok now
[20:56] <fsphil> only happens when you click on the "Raw Data" menu item
[20:56] <natrium> oh
[20:56] <fsphil> keeps appending listen.php to the url
[20:56] <M0DTS_Rob> fsphil: antenna is wire strung up a fishing pole ~10m long, connected to the top of my antenna mast.
[20:56] <fsphil> ooh I can hear domino
[20:56] <fsphil> or mfsk, can't tell the difference
[20:57] <fsphil> aah to have an antenna mast :)
[20:57] <DanielRichman> jonsowman: I think it was something to do with ZZ chase car messages
[20:58] <M0DTS_Rob> only small mast but useful, it's on a trailer! hearing India, Australia, Canary Is, Most of EU, and the odd stateside station on WSPR mode..
[20:58] <fsphil> I've still to try wspr
[20:59] <M0DTS_Rob> wspr may be good mode for ballooon on hf..
[20:59] <jonsowman> DanielRichman: http://robertharrison.org/listen/ldiff.txt
[21:01] <jcoxon> i'm wondering - bill is launching late - is that to take advantage of night and better propergation or to do a floater...
[21:01] <fsphil> wspr would be excellent -- I'm considering using it for a robotic boat project
[21:01] <eroomde> did the launches launch today?
[21:02] <jcoxon> hohoho did but had radio issues
[21:02] <jcoxon> no news yet
[21:02] <natrium> wtb cusf launch
[21:02] <jcoxon> and wb8elk hf launch is at 10:30
[21:02] <eroomde> fsphil: oh cool - we've been talking about using balloons to drop a robotic bouy into the north sea and see what happens for a while
[21:02] <jcoxon> eroomde, you back home?
[21:02] <eroomde> jcoxon: yes
[21:02] <jcoxon> get any He?
[21:02] <jcoxon> :-)
[21:02] <fsphil> eroomde, that's a pretty nifty idea too
[21:03] <eroomde> just see where it drifts too
[21:03] <eroomde> jcoxon: afraid I didn't. but that's easily fixed
[21:03] <jcoxon> hehe
[21:03] <eroomde> i could have done with a bottle of helium as wheels proved an ineffective source of thrust for some of the journey
[21:03] <jonsowman> hehe
[21:04] <Lunar_Lander> jcoxon do you know how a bathyscaphe works?
[21:05] <eroomde> the big balls that sink?
[21:05] <Lunar_Lander> it's like a underwater balloon
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[21:05] <Lunar_Lander> with petrol as buoyant
[21:05] <Lunar_Lander> and it must be made of metal of course
[21:10] <jcoxon> oooo wb8elk-farm just fired up
[21:10] <eroomde> fsphil: have you done any sort of research into what kind of freq/power combo would work will with wspr to give,say, 2/day telem strings?
[21:11] <fsphil> eroomde, not yet but I'll be doing some work on it soon - I'd like to have something workable for next summer
[21:12] <Lunar_Lander> well anyway
[21:12] <Lunar_Lander> what do you think about a amateur bathyscaphe?
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[21:20] <jcoxon> wb
[21:20] <SpeedEvil> If you mean a flow of water, then for large amounts of flow, the energy closely approximates m*g*h.
[21:20] <fsphil> all the important bits are contained inside the boat -- nothing breakable outside
[21:20] <fsphil> a flow of water, yea
[21:20] <eroomde> it would be fun to design payloads that need to last months and be salt-water proof
[21:20] <SpeedEvil> Or per litre, about 100J
[21:21] <eroomde> sometimes i want to design balloon payloads that are needlessly complicated just because it's fun to have backup systems and subsystems. But this could actually justify it
[21:21] <SpeedEvil> My 600W pump will just about do 5m IIRC
[21:21] <fsphil> I'd been thinking about retractable antennas and such, but something that could be turned on and off would be handy
[21:21] <fsphil> eep
[21:21] <fsphil> maybe not
[21:22] <SpeedEvil> A sealed bottle
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[21:23] <eroomde> i guess a 2m carbon fibre rod which deploys 3m of piano wire might just about stay vertical
[21:24] <SpeedEvil> piano wire rusts
[21:25] <eroomde> maybe give it a silicon sheath
[21:25] <eroomde> though that might add mass
[21:26] <eroomde> gosh, might actually have to do some engineering to solve this problem
[21:26] <fsphil> jcoxon, wb8elk or wb8elk-2 payload?
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[21:28] <jcoxon> wb8elk
[21:28] <jcoxon> not sure where the -2 comes from
[21:29] <SpeedEvil> Make CF reinforced lead.
[21:29] <jcoxon> i've removed wb8elk-2
[21:30] <jcoxon> now i've just realised that i'm assuming no change in string format
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[21:30] <jcoxon> could be an isseu
[21:30] <jcoxon> issue*
[21:31] <Lunar_Lander> american launch T-1 h
[21:32] <WB9SBD> Has anyone heard anything from Bill at all?
[21:32] <jcoxon> WB9SBD, nothing apart from the emails to the mailing lists
[21:32] <jcoxon> but he has turned on his farm radio
[21:32] <jcoxon> as its appeared on the map
[21:33] <Lunar_Lander> and his PC
[21:33] <WB9SBD> anything from the payload?
[21:33] <Lunar_Lander> negative
[21:33] <WB9SBD> is he still planning on using 077?
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[21:34] <jcoxon> WB9SBD, yes
[21:36] <Lunar_Lander> Bill's rockoon looks cool
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[21:38] <Lunar_Lander> "Ballast: 1.0 lbs sugar cubes"
[21:38] <Lunar_Lander> innovative
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[21:38] <eroomde> i suspect i'm not alone in seeing the word 'decatur' and involuntarily humming the sufjen stevens song
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[21:43] <fsphil> nothing on wspr from the states
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[21:43] <fsphil> just europe so far
[21:45] <WB9SBD> wahat is the multi tone sig below bills freq?
[21:45] <M0DTS_Rob> Some here, maybe 4 weak stations from NE States..
[21:46] <M0DTS_Rob> maybe a WSJT mode?
[21:46] <WB9SBD> there is one really slow multi tone below and one fast above
[21:47] <M0DTS_Rob> i hear tones too - slow ones WSJT
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[21:48] Action: jcoxon would like wb8elk to power up the payload so he can fix the xml so that people can actually decode it
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[21:50] <wimpiedim> what is the latest update from hohoho III?
[21:51] <WB9SBD> This is just a test flight right? It's not a crossing attempt right/
[21:51] <jcoxon> nothing heard wimpiedim
[21:51] <jcoxon> WB9SBD, yes, just a test of the hardware and software
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[21:51] <WB9SBD> looks like he's launching after sun set to really freezit huh?
[21:52] <jcoxon> yeah, maximise propergation perhaps
[21:52] <Lunar_Lander> wimpiedim we did not hear from him since 16:33
[21:52] <Lunar_Lander> that is when he left the chatroom
[21:53] <wimpiedim> damn
[21:53] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[21:53] <wimpiedim> I think he lost the balloon
[21:56] <wimpiedim> if so, then he probably lost also his EOS 350D camera
[21:56] <jonsowman> oh dear
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[21:58] <Lunar_Lander> I don't so
[21:58] <Lunar_Lander> I am sure that he got the SMS from the mobile
[21:58] <M0DTS_Rob> 40m propagation not too bad, hearing peurto rico on 7088 so may be some promise!
[21:58] <wimpiedim> then I would expect an update here or on his site
[21:59] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:59] <Lunar_Lander> but I also would expect an update in case of failure
[21:59] <Lunar_Lander> or "we haven't found it yet"
[21:59] <Lunar_Lander> or so
[21:59] <wimpiedim> Maybe he is in Germany and disconnected from GPRS because of the roeming costs
[21:59] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:59] <wimpiedim> roaming
[22:00] <jcoxon> wb8elk streaming on www.batc.tv
[22:00] <Lunar_Lander> nice furniture
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[22:04] <jonsowman> link?
[22:04] <natrium_> www.batc.tv go to member streams and select wb8elk
[22:04] <fsphil> nice barn!
[22:04] <jonsowman> got it, thanks natrium_
[22:04] <jcoxon> oh ukhas has a barn now
[22:05] <jcoxon> in suffolk
[22:05] <jonsowman> oh?
[22:06] <jcoxon> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jcoxon77/5174025657/
[22:06] <jonsowman> nice
[22:06] <Lunar_Lander> his mission control room looks dark
[22:06] <jonsowman> pretty nice barn
[22:06] <jcoxon> jonsowman, need to get a notam
[22:07] <jonsowman> oh yay, that's always a fun and exciting task
[22:09] <fsphil> heh - I'm becoming an expert at that :p
[22:10] <Lunar_Lander> I wanna have a freezer like him!
[22:10] <eroomde> i want a minion like him
[22:10] <jonsowman> lol
[22:11] <fsphil> haha
[22:11] <jcoxon> awesome distribution of listeners on the mpa
[22:11] <jcoxon> map*
[22:11] <jcoxon> need to close the circle with a rx'er in pittsburgh
[22:12] <jonsowman> heh that is quite cool
[22:12] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[22:12] <Lunar_Lander> lol "stuff from wal-mart"
[22:13] <natrium_> rofl
[22:14] <natrium_> germany has Aldi
[22:14] <jonsowman> so do we
[22:15] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:15] <Lunar_Lander> Aldi america
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[22:15] <Lunar_Lander> Aldi USA once had a receipe for "German-Style Bratwurst"
[22:15] <Lunar_Lander> but they cooked the sausages instead of frying them :S
[22:18] <jcoxon> natrium have you donwloaded the GFS data?
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[22:19] <kladol> any thing on HoHoHo
[22:20] <jonsowman> nothing yet
[22:23] <kladol> oke
[22:23] <kladol> 73 bye
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[22:23] <natrium_> jcoxon, yes, but it was a few hours ago
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[22:24] <natrium_> jcoxon, grabbing new data
[22:24] <natrium_> hi Dan-K2VOL
[22:25] <Dan-K2VOL> Hi Alexei
[22:25] <natrium_> going to be listening for wb8elk's balloon?
[22:26] <Dan-K2VOL> Yes, have some prior commitments, but am going to try to put dlfldigi online here when I get a break in 20 min
[22:27] <Dan-K2VOL> Any updat on launch time?
[22:27] <jcoxon> about an hour
[22:27] <natrium_> about 1 hour away
[22:27] <jcoxon> they are still constructing
[22:27] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:27] <Lunar_Lander> you can watch that on www.batc.tv
[22:28] <fsphil> brb, food
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[22:30] <EAJ> Hi, looking for any news on the Dutch balloon project launched today
[22:31] <natrium_> no news here yet
[22:31] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
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[22:33] <jcoxon> hehe US style balloon launch is a lot more relaxed then us
[22:33] <jonsowman> haha it really is
[22:34] <Dan-K2VOL> Lol
[22:34] <EAJ> @ Natrium > Thanks
[22:34] <eroomde> we don't have a barn, you see
[22:35] <jcoxon> eroomde, we do!
[22:35] <eroomde> when we use it, we'll be more relaxed
[22:35] <eroomde> perhaps
[22:35] <jcoxon> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jcoxon77/5174025657/
[22:35] <eroomde> you showed me on your phone
[22:36] <eroomde> that'll take a 1.5 by the looks of things
[22:37] <Dan-K2VOL> Heh white star will be a little more regimented. Bill always amazes me with how he flies balloons on a moment's notice
[22:38] <fsphil> heh, wspr not receiving anything from the US but I did get australia
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[22:39] <Dan-K2VOL> Will have to leave fldigi unattended here
[22:41] <Dan-K2VOL> Domino good?
[22:41] <fsphil> it's the best bet
[22:41] <Dan-K2VOL> Or do you have the remote control packaged in now
[22:41] <jcoxon> yeah
[22:41] <jcoxon> i do have it working
[22:42] <jcoxon> but not really ready for primetime
[22:42] <Dan-K2VOL> K, I'll be back on here in 15 min, at the radio
[22:43] <jcoxon> Dan-K2VOL, it'll still be a while i suspect
[22:44] <Upu> so do we know if HoHoHo got a final location ?
[22:45] <jcoxon> no info yet
[22:45] <Upu> Wonder what happened there
[22:45] <Upu> odd one
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[22:47] <Laurenceb_> ooh that barn looks good
[22:47] <Laurenceb_> i was thinking a while back - for doing MIR flights
[22:47] <Laurenceb_> a barn would help
[22:55] <jcoxon> hurry up!
[22:58] <Randomskk> we still need a proper hab barn
[22:58] <Randomskk> with dishes and stacked yagis on rotators and things on the top
[22:58] <Randomskk> a massive supply of helium and spares of balloons, parachutes, cases, tools etc
[22:58] <eroomde> Randomskk: I have negotiated us a manifold cylinder pallet
[22:59] <eroomde> but we'd need somewhere to put it
[22:59] <eroomde> like a barn
[22:59] <eroomde> or get a forklift to move it around chu
[22:59] <Randomskk> wonder if chu will mind if we just erect a barn on one of the sports fields
[22:59] <Randomskk> "probably"
[23:00] <Lunar_Lander> there is something like that
[23:00] <Lunar_Lander> a mobile barn
[23:00] <Lunar_Lander> a.k.a. "Tent"
[23:00] <eroomde> i don't think the idea would float
[23:00] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[23:01] <fsphil> ooch
[23:02] <ejcweb> Maybe we should suggest a 'barn' as they draw up the plans for the new accommodation block that's going to be on the field ;)
[23:02] <Randomskk> :P
[23:02] <Randomskk> get a second cusf lab, with retractable roof
[23:02] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[23:02] <Lunar_Lander> but a round one
[23:02] <Lunar_Lander> that opens like an aperture
[23:02] <Lunar_Lander> that is much cooler!
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[23:05] <eroomde> Randomskk: you know we're underneath the fountain, right?
[23:05] <eroomde> in the quad
[23:06] <eroomde> we could get that to unfurl in a way that it looks like it naturally wants to anyway
[23:06] <eroomde> or just have it slide back like the tracey island swimming pool
[23:06] <ejcweb> Thunderbirds style.
[23:06] <ejcweb> Beat me too it!
[23:06] <Randomskk> eroomde: both would work wonderfully
[23:07] <Randomskk> wonder if we could do the work without them realising
[23:07] <eroomde> might end up with a lab full of snow though
[23:07] <Randomskk> could be an issue
[23:08] <fsphil> but everyone loves snow
[23:10] <StrayVoltage> Solution: Giant propane torches right above the roof line.
[23:12] <Lunar_Lander> and what happens if you open that?
[23:12] <Lunar_Lander> it needs to have warning lights and sirens
[23:12] <Lunar_Lander> that adds coolness
[23:12] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[23:12] <StrayVoltage> It'll double as a bird/critter extermination system in the summer. :)
[23:12] <Randomskk> or a targetting laser
[23:12] <Randomskk> that evaporates the snowflakes as they fall
[23:13] <Randomskk> to be honest I think having the roof able to retract back again would be easiest
[23:13] <jcoxon> eeek this is getting late
[23:13] <jcoxon> i'll need to go to bed soon
[23:13] <fsphil> jcoxon, any telemetry strings yet?
[23:13] <jcoxon> none yet
[23:13] <natrium_> jcoxon, can't you prescribe yourself some medicine agains sleep? :P
[23:14] <Randomskk> aka coffee? >_>
[23:14] <Lunar_Lander> lol
[23:14] <jcoxon> hehe
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[23:15] <jcoxon> full day tomorrow - not something to do when tired
[23:15] <Lunar_Lander> jcoxon I have something for you
[23:15] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKvLeIZDk1k
[23:16] <jcoxon> ?
[23:16] <Lunar_Lander> something funny to keep you awake
[23:17] <fsphil> wow, look at all those listeners on the tracker
[23:17] <jcoxon> yeah
[23:18] <natrium_> see how much more north you guys in UK are?
[23:18] <jcoxon> yup
[23:19] <natrium_> so dependent on the gulf stream...
[23:19] <fsphil> indeed
[23:19] <fsphil> though you wouldn't think it this month
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[23:28] <jcoxon> please launch before midnight...
[23:28] <fsphil> gonna be tight
[23:30] <eroomde> he announced launch would be about 30m after barn
[23:31] <fsphil> gonna take a while to fill the balloon
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[23:37] <Dan-K2VOL> 40m is dead quiet hère
[23:38] <fsphil> getting quieter here too
[23:38] <fsphil> on wspr at least
[23:39] <natrium_> Dan-K2VOL, i hear some morse on 7039
[23:40] <Dan-K2VOL> That's good natrium_ I might get line of sight.
[23:40] <natrium_> cool
[23:46] <WB9SBD> it's open to eu here pretty good
[23:47] <fsphil> I think my antenna is radiating the wrong way
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[23:49] <jcoxon> .msg chanserv op #highaltitude
[23:49] #highaltitude: mode change '+o jcoxon' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.
[23:49] <jcoxon> thats better
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