highaltitude.log.20101215

[00:10] <Elwell> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/11/jimmy-wales-chrome-extension-adds-wikipedia-appeal-banner-to-every-site/
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[00:32] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: http://www.df3lp.de/cgi-bin/fh/show_wf.cgi?date=10-12-14 LW spectrograph including 77.5KHz over time
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[03:58] <Darkside> http://i.imgur.com/2dv22.jpg <-- real ZL specials
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[10:21] <GW8RAK> Morning All. Has anyone ever had problems with the low pressure at altitude causing any problems please?
[10:22] <GW8RAK> I've got the option of taking the payload to a simulated 80K feet but don't know if it is worth it.
[10:23] <fsphil> Do no harm - but I don't remember hearing about problems with pressure, only temperature
[10:24] <GW8RAK> I wonder if they can freeze it as well?
[10:25] <fsphil> Grease in gears and mechanisms can freeze - that killed the Cirrus guys camera about half way up
[10:25] <jonsowman> it might have been pressure that killed our geiger muller tube
[10:25] <jonsowman> but apart from that, not had any issues
[10:26] <GW8RAK> I hadn't heard of anything failing due to pressures.
[10:26] <GW8RAK> If there is anything which people want tested, I could claim it's part of our payload and probably get it tested.
[10:37] <fsphil> woo, helium should be here Friday
[10:40] <GW8RAK> All ready to go?
[10:42] <fsphil> getting there, all coming together nicely
[10:42] <fsphil> landing looks certain to be on the other side of the irish sea
[10:42] <fsphil> near Lancaster
[10:48] <Gnea> fsphil: where are you launching from?
[10:48] <fsphil> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=2dd0e9ef9b893dd4a1f6f95256554ab29585b0d7
[10:49] <fsphil> An-Cregan in N.Ireland -- basically the middle of nowhere
[10:49] <Gnea> awesome
[10:52] <fsphil> it's quite high up so there's a risk the snow might cause trouble
[10:52] <fsphil> our GPS said about 180 meters last time
[10:59] <jonsowman> fsphil: nice flight path
[11:00] <fsphil> it is! bit risky but worth it I think
[11:01] <GW8RAK> I can't get up there this weekend fsphil, but I may be up there on business next week.
[11:02] <jonsowman> it'll be fantastic if you pull it off
[11:02] <Laurenceb> SpeedEvil: wow nice stuff
[11:03] <fsphil> GW8RAK, no probs - the batteries won't last that long but it's a pretty shiney box
[11:03] <Laurenceb> lots of other stuff
[11:03] <Laurenceb> but crystal filters help a lot
[11:04] <fsphil> if it lands in a flat area, and doesn't get covered in snow, it should be fairly easy to spot
[11:04] <fsphil> the parachute will be black though
[11:04] <fsphil> I suppose I could get some pink duct tape :)
[11:04] <GW8RAK> And the black parachute will come down and neatly cover the shiny box
[11:05] <Laurenceb> its quite strong actually
[11:05] <fsphil> haha
[11:05] <fsphil> I might see if I can program in a low power mode
[11:06] <fsphil> switch the camera and radio off
[11:06] <fsphil> do a beacon every 5 minutes or so
[11:07] <fsphil> bit like what james did for the bh flight
[11:07] <Laurenceb> we are slightly further away, but not much
[11:17] <GW8RAK> To be really devious fsphil, put some food dye on the outside of the box, perhaps a soggy tampon. If it lands in snow, the dye will spread out and stain a large area of snow.
[11:20] <fsphil> hmm, wouldn't the dye just freeze?
[11:21] <GW8RAK> I'm trying to remember what sort of dye is best. It used to be a popular way of attracting attention in the Alps until someone wrote ARSE in big letters above Chamonix
[11:21] <fsphil> lol
[11:21] <GW8RAK> Some people don't have a sense of humour.
[11:22] <eroomde> morning
[11:22] <GW8RAK> Morning
[11:24] <jonsowman> morning eroomde
[11:27] <eroomde> morning jonsowman
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[12:23] <Laurenceb> LNA works :P
[12:23] <fsphil> yay
[12:24] <Laurenceb> dead bugged it more neatly on fr4 with rg174 for all the rf
[12:25] <Laurenceb> well i dont have a scope to test in the GHz, but the current is on spec
[12:25] <GW8RAK> Well done
[12:25] <Laurenceb> its drawing 9.8ma @3.3v, datasheet days 10.5
[12:26] <Laurenceb> just need to work out how to splice the rg174 onto rg58m
[12:26] <Laurenceb> which is a little tricky as any rf leakage may result in a microwave oscillator again
[12:26] <Laurenceb> guess copper tape is required
[12:28] <Laurenceb> i might mount it inside the tubular alu boom down the antenni center
[12:28] <Laurenceb> that'll provide some extra sheilding
[12:28] <Laurenceb> and the pcb is only 4mm square
[12:28] <GW8RAK> If it's going in a tin plate box, use sma connectors.
[12:30] <Laurenceb> no - im integrating it into the antenni
[12:30] <Laurenceb> probalby inside the boom
[12:31] <GW8RAK> Will the pcb be earth bonded to the aerial?
[12:32] <Laurenceb> no
[12:32] <Laurenceb> guess i could bond the bottom layer
[12:32] <Laurenceb> foil tape is probable most sensible
[12:33] <Laurenceb> use some styrofoam to make a standoff
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[13:59] <SpeedEvil> Can anyone remember that high framerate digital camera someone was playing with a bit ago
[14:09] <fsphil> this one? http://exilim.casio.com/products_exf1.shtml
[14:10] <SpeedEvil> Aha
[14:10] <SpeedEvil> thanks!
[14:13] <Laurenceb> 1.2kfps wow
[14:13] <Laurenceb> useful for rocketry
[14:15] Action: Laurenceb has an annoying issue - i have four lines, so 6 interveption points
[14:15] <Laurenceb> i need need to find the four that form a 4 sided polygon
[14:15] <Tiger^> somehow i doubt it really does 1.2kfps video
[14:15] <Laurenceb> - lines in 2D
[14:17] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=+exf1&aq=f
[14:17] <SpeedEvil> tiger
[14:17] <Laurenceb> 336 x 96 (1200 fps)
[14:17] <SpeedEvil> 6 interception points?
[14:17] <SpeedEvil> Oh - for nonparallel
[14:20] Action: Elwell has the http://exilim.casio.com/products_exfc100.shtml -- shoots about 4 secs at 30fps then has to write the lot to card for ~12 secs
[14:20] <Tiger^> SpeedEvil: just as i thought - it's not true 1.2kfps (plus the quality sucks).
[14:20] <Elwell> doing high speed video it also needs *lots* of light
[14:21] <SpeedEvil> Well - expecting 10MP is barking mad
[14:21] <Elwell> or quality really goes down
[14:21] <Tiger^> Elwell: true that
[14:21] <Tiger^> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlY0OTxHnII (a real high-speed camera @ only 750fps)
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[14:21] <Elwell> but for a pocket snappy it's got some lovely shots
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[14:23] <SpeedEvil> Sure - I'm not saying it's ideal. But for 'only' $999 it is awesome for some apps
[14:23] <Elwell> http://www.flickr.com/photos/elwell/3756047474/in/set-72157621870722656/
[14:25] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[14:34] <Laurenceb> so, i have lines 1 to 4 and the 6 intercept points
[14:35] <Laurenceb> i need to find the 4 sided polygon
[14:35] Action: Laurenceb doesnt know where to start :/
[14:35] <Laurenceb> theres got to be an existing algorithm to solve this ?
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[14:39] <SpeedEvil> If you can deal with the lines independantly, then find the centroid of the 5 points that lie on 2 lines. Then it's the 4 points to one side of the centroid
[14:40] <SpeedEvil> Actually - that may not work for extremely skewed polygons
[14:42] <Laurenceb> yeah
[14:43] <Laurenceb> i have an idea- when you go around a polygon you move clockwise or anticlockwise
[14:43] <Laurenceb> si if i arrange the lines according to their angle with the x azis
[14:44] <Laurenceb> it might go 1to4 intercept, 1to2 intercept, 2to3 intercept, 3to4intercept
[14:44] <Laurenceb> as the polygon vertices
[14:45] <SpeedEvil> Work out the summation of the angles.
[14:46] <SpeedEvil> you want a 4 sided polygon
[14:46] <SpeedEvil> err
[14:46] <SpeedEvil> doesn't just finding the only 4 sided polygon work?
[14:46] <Laurenceb> i think the ordering thing works
[14:46] <Laurenceb> but how lol
[14:47] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[14:47] <Laurenceb> i suspect the ordering might just work, coding it now
[14:47] <SpeedEvil> a lot of this stuff is obvious on paper
[14:47] <SpeedEvil> But the computer has n o pper
[14:48] <Laurenceb> computers dont understand common sense
[14:50] <SpeedEvil> Discard any point that falls on two lines if those lines intersect three points
[14:50] <SpeedEvil> If you see what I mean
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[14:55] <Laurenceb> problem is the a 180 degree angle ambiguity
[14:55] <Laurenceb> i can go down each line either way
[14:59] <SpeedEvil> Doesn't matter
[14:59] <Laurenceb> why not?
[14:59] Action: Laurenceb has completely lost the plot
[14:59] <SpeedEvil> err
[15:02] <SpeedEvil> yeah - sorry - that doesn't work
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[15:07] <SpeedEvil> You have 4 lines. And 6 points. Break the lines at every point, so you have 8 lines and 6 points. Find the line segments that form a closed path around 4 points.
[15:07] <SpeedEvil> Closed path = line segments connecting 4 points.
[15:14] <Laurenceb> hmm still seems tricky
[15:14] <Laurenceb> i think l;ooking at the number of points either side of each point - travelling along a line might help
[15:20] <Nigey> oh how pissed off is nigey today :@
[15:21] <fsphil> uh-oh
[15:21] <Nigey> £650 gas bill !
[15:21] <Laurenceb> wow thats mad
[15:21] <SpeedEvil> Ow.
[15:21] <Laurenceb> what sort of boiler?
[15:23] <Nigey> oh its an economy boiler.. aparently where we switched from british gas to swalec something got screwed up and we werent being charged the standing charges :(
[15:24] <Laurenceb> ah
[15:25] <Laurenceb> its always worth getting a better boiler, even if you just wack it into the old dodgey heating system
[15:25] <Nigey> quite annoyed actually because i had rung them 3 times this year saying i was concerned the bill was to cheap and was consistently told it was correct
[15:25] <Laurenceb> good combi condensers are much less than that bill
[15:25] <SpeedEvil> You can require them to accept payments over time
[15:25] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: no, they're not
[15:25] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: combi or not is _competely_ irrelevant.
[15:26] <Laurenceb> well - condenser
[15:26] <SpeedEvil> Combi is only ~40% at best more efficient than 'normal'
[15:26] <Laurenceb> of 650 thats a lot
[15:26] <SpeedEvil> And you can easily get much, much wider variations than that due to size of house
[15:26] <Nigey> well theyre going to accept 36 per month for 18 months ontop of the normal bill, which is ok, but im still quite annoyed, i was actively trying to get it resolved before being hit with a huge bill but meh
[15:27] <Laurenceb> but compared to insulating, upgrading the boiler is often a better ROI
[15:27] <SpeedEvil> Sure.
[15:27] <SpeedEvil> Unless it's cavities
[15:27] <Laurenceb> yeah - i spent last summer doing drylining
[15:27] <SpeedEvil> draught-sealing, cavities/roof, boiler, then proper insulation
[15:27] <Laurenceb> its a lot of work
[15:28] <Laurenceb> the double glazing needs draught proofing now :(
[15:28] Action: SpeedEvil still has it barely started from a couple of years ago.
[15:28] <Laurenceb> shouldnt have got the cheapest units
[15:28] <SpeedEvil> Well - I say barely started - that's not quite true
[15:28] <Nigey> this house is awful for insulation, the loft is fine, triple insulated, but the walls, seem awful, the rooms never really get all that warm
[15:29] <SpeedEvil> I have insulation on the walls, and awaiting the plasterboard and lattice to be fited to it
[15:29] <SpeedEvil> yeah - you need to actually do the sums
[15:29] <SpeedEvil> and work out what your current insulation actually is.
[15:29] <SpeedEvil> Doubling roof insulation may alter your bill 2% forex
[15:29] <Laurenceb> when i did the numbers the best bet was british gypsum insulated plasterboard
[15:29] <SpeedEvil> If the walls are leaky enough
[15:30] <Laurenceb> for plain insulating existing cavities, or extratherm for drylining
[15:30] <Nigey> hmm almost all our walls are brick, as opposd to plasterboard
[15:30] <Laurenceb> cavity?
[15:30] <Nigey> http://tapsnshowers.co.uk/items/Sime-Ecomfort-35kw.asp is our boiler btw
[15:30] <Laurenceb> looks half decent
[15:31] <fsphil> quick poll: for the payload notice .. "Reward if found" .. or "Reward for safe return"
[15:31] <Laurenceb> second
[15:31] <Nigey> no idea, just brick with what seems to be a thin layer of plaster :(
[15:31] <Laurenceb> how old is the house?
[15:31] <Nigey> safe return
[15:31] <SpeedEvil> Nigey: One layer of brick, or two?
[15:31] <Nigey> crikey, it is pre ww2
[15:31] <SpeedEvil> Nigey: Is there brick -> space -> brick
[15:31] <fsphil> yea, agreed. thanks guys
[15:31] <SpeedEvil> If so - cavity wall insulation is a good idea
[15:31] <Nigey> no just 1 layer of brick from what i can tell looking in the loft
[15:31] <Laurenceb> yeah, cavity if at all poss
[15:32] <Laurenceb> oh that sucks
[15:32] <SpeedEvil> Ow.
[15:32] <Nigey> lovely house, just old and cold! lol
[15:32] <SpeedEvil> Yeah - the ways you insulate that are either external insulation, or drylining.
[15:32] <Laurenceb> unless you want to practically dismantle the whole house you cant easily insulate
[15:32] <SpeedEvil> Or lots of fucking jumpers and electric blankets
[15:32] <Laurenceb> theres the russian approach
[15:32] <Nigey> lol jumpers rock!
[15:32] <SpeedEvil> I'm taking that appeoach ATM - 5C in here
[15:32] <Laurenceb> spray the outside with polyurethane foam
[15:33] <Nigey> prolly doesnt help that 2 of the bedrooms have open fireplaces
[15:33] <SpeedEvil> Does if you use them.
[15:33] <Laurenceb> fit a woodburning stove
[15:34] <Nigey> nope, theyre just decorative, would love the landlord to say brick them up! lol
[15:34] <Laurenceb> oh itys rented?
[15:34] <SpeedEvil> Fit a paperburning stove, get a second letterbox fitted, and subscribe to everything with it
[15:34] <Nigey> yeah, for now, we do have the buying option, but im not sure i want to stay in this area for too long
[15:34] <Laurenceb> lol
[15:34] <Nigey> SpeedEvil, lmao!
[15:35] <Nigey> btw ..
[15:35] <Nigey> and i have pics to prove it
[15:35] <Nigey> i went to put a lawn in the garden in the summer..
[15:35] <Nigey> 5 inches under the soil, ww2 bunker
[15:35] <SpeedEvil> fun.
[15:36] <Nigey> no! lol its bloody hard concrete, i had to leave it alone, and put the lawn on top
[15:37] <Laurenceb> excavate it and use as a WW3 binker
[15:38] <Nigey> lol it goes down a fair few feet to
[15:39] <Nigey> www.nigey.co.uk/images/bunker.bmp
[15:40] <Laurenceb> are you sure thats not the foundations?
[15:41] <SpeedEvil> Is that not a shed base from someone overenthusiastic?
[15:42] <Nigey> nah its def the remains of a bunker, we found some aerial pics from 1941 that show the actual bunker
[15:42] <Laurenceb> neat
[15:42] <SpeedEvil> neat
[15:42] <Laurenceb> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/12/15/alan_sugar_autobiography_pleasure/
[15:42] <Laurenceb> ive got an echo
[15:42] <Nigey> prolly because we're a stones throw from cardiff docks, mightve been a nice target for the germans
[15:43] <Nigey> http://www.nigey.co.uk/finale.bmp .. made a nice lawn though lol
[15:44] <SpeedEvil> Branson?
[15:44] <SpeedEvil> err
[15:44] <SpeedEvil> Sugar?
[15:44] <Nigey> oops ... http://www.nigey.co.uk/images/finale.bmp
[15:44] <SpeedEvil> I thought of Bransons http://current.com/news/89987117_richard-branson-and-a-naked-denni-parkinson-nsfw-photos.htm
[15:45] <SpeedEvil> http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/sets/72157623642782601/ - also been doing the lawn thing
[15:45] <SpeedEvil> It's not quite as pretty as yours yet
[15:45] <Nigey> crikey, its alot bigger though! lol
[15:46] <SpeedEvil> yeah - way too many things to do, and little energy.
[15:46] <SpeedEvil> And too much shit.
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[15:46] <Nigey> i was quite stunned that i'd brought in almost 3 tonnes of topsoil, and 2 tonne of stones mind, you wouldnt think it by the size of the garden
[15:47] <SpeedEvil> yes - I was looking at getting 20 tons of stone delivered earlier this year
[15:47] <fsphil> bunker would make a great radio shack
[15:47] <fsphil> or server room
[15:47] <Nigey> wow now thats alot of stone!
[15:47] <Nigey> phil, dont tempt me! lol
[15:47] <SpeedEvil> To gravel to 5cm thickness 300m^2 or so
[15:49] <Nigey> crazy stuff, i had to get mine tipped at the front and shoveled into small buckets to take it through to the garden, took me ages :(
[15:49] <SpeedEvil> yeah.
[15:50] <SpeedEvil> I'd be hiring a body to roughly get it into the right place
[15:50] <Nigey> a single delivery on an arctic ?
[15:51] <SpeedEvil> yes
[15:51] <Nigey> nicey, make sure to get some radox :p
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[15:52] <SpeedEvil> I'd be employing someone to move it from big pile into barrow-shaped piles spread around the place
[15:52] <SpeedEvil> Or doing it at a barrow every couple of days
[15:53] <Nigey> yeah best way, btw i do like the pond
[15:53] <Nigey> we didnt have room for 1 here :(
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[16:00] <Nigey> http://www.nigey.co.uk/images/odd.bmp free beer to whoever can explain this picture
[16:07] <Laurenceb> sundog
[16:10] <Nigey> i think the angles wrong for a sundog, in that pic the sun was at about 7 oclock relative to the arc
[16:10] <eroomde> jonsowman: I just did this
[16:10] <eroomde> http://guide.macports.org/chunked/installing.macports.uninstalling.html
[16:10] <eroomde> I feel... hygienic
[16:15] <SpeedEvil> Nigey: was it real, or camera?
[16:16] <Nigey> oh it was real, could see it very clearly with the naked eye
[16:16] <SpeedEvil> so the sun was off the bottom of the pic?
[16:18] <SpeedEvil> http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/atmos/halo22.html neat
[16:18] <fsphil> http://vjac.free.fr/skyshows/icehalos/icehalos.html
[16:19] <fsphil> I didn't realise there where so many of these things
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[16:19] <Nigey> SpeedEvil, yups, and as i was saying to phil, kinda mother of pearl colour that doesnt show to well in the image :(
[16:19] <stilldavid> v/join #sparkfun
[16:20] <fsphil> I'm sorry dave, I'm afraid I can't do that
[16:20] <stilldavid> nooo!
[16:20] <Nigey> lol
[16:20] <stilldavid> I suck at the Internet today.
[16:22] <eroomde> stilldavid: are you still travelling?
[16:22] <stilldavid> no, back at work now
[16:22] <stilldavid> wasn't enough time away, I'm convinced
[16:23] <stilldavid> should be getting a ZP envelope in post in a couple weeks though!
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[16:25] <eroomde> nice!
[16:26] <stilldavid> I'm going to do one more latex launch before heading down that road, though
[16:26] <eroomde> do you have a plan for the ZP?
[16:26] <stilldavid> not really :P
[16:27] <stilldavid> thinking transamerica or as much as I can cover
[16:27] <stilldavid> 2lb payload, 10lb ballast, VHF transmitter for APRS and an HF xciever for backup and control
[16:28] <fsphil> hmm.. ZP + solar powered rotor for steering
[16:30] <stilldavid> fsphil, have heard mixed results with solar at altitude
[16:31] <fsphil> I haven't done much research into it, but I'd expect them to work fairly well?
[16:31] <fsphil> no cloud to worry about
[16:33] <stilldavid> go ahead and explain this to me then: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insolation#Distribution_of_insolation_at_the_top_of_the_atmosphere
[16:35] <eroomde> fsphil: I think, based on some sums we did for the transatlantic a bit back, that (with our cost/benefit criteria) batteries made sense for up to about 2 weeks of mission endurence
[16:36] <stilldavid> yeah, I figured it's simple and effective. even if I wind up dumping extra lithiums in there
[16:36] <stilldavid> I think I read on the wiki that groups were even pondering jettisoning used batteries for extra ballast... not sure about environmental impacts of that though
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[16:37] <eroomde> yeah I would have some objections to that from an environmental pov
[16:37] <eroomde> although, we might start a new lithium based life form at the bottom of the ocean
[16:39] <fsphil> I can't even read that wiki page :\
[16:40] <stilldavid> you and me both
[16:40] <stilldavid> but either way, I'm only shooting for 36-48hrs so I'm not worried about solar just yet
[16:41] <stilldavid> but hey, while I'm here, anyone have any good ideas for low-power high-sensitivity HF transceivers?
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[16:50] <fsphil> the DDS-60 can make a nice low power (40mw) HF transmitter for FSK modes or CW .. don't know any receivers or transceivers
[16:51] <stilldavid> I need two-way comm for cut-down if it flies in active airspace at night. :-/
[16:51] <stilldavid> I found a pretty good CW xceiver (can't remember the name now...) but wanted to see what else there was
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[16:55] <eroomde> Laurenceb: you about?
[16:57] <fsphil> the softrock SDR kits appear to be just USB transceivers
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[18:46] <gfgfgfgfg> hi
[18:49] <fsphil> hiya gfgfgfgfg
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[18:49] <gfgfgfgfg> Some general IRC questions, if you could answer
[18:49] <gfgfgfgfg> ?
[18:50] <fsphil> yea, fire away
[18:51] <gfgfgfgfg> if I who is someone, it shows their username in the first line and then something in square brackets, what is that?
[18:51] <gfgfgfgfg> e.g. username [~user@domain.com]
[18:51] <fsphil> that's the users ident and hostname
[18:52] <gfgfgfgfg> could you explain what the hostname is
[18:52] <fsphil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostname :)
[18:53] <gfgfgfgfg> so how come their hostname is the url of a website
[18:55] <fsphil> hostnames and urls are both dns names
[18:55] <fsphil> well, that's not strictly true
[18:55] <fsphil> www.google.com is a hostname
[18:55] <fsphil> http://www.google.com/page is a url
[18:55] <gfgfgfgfg> so are they running their irc client from their own server
[18:56] <fsphil> most computers on the net will have a hostname
[18:56] <fsphil> depends on the users ISP though
[18:56] <gfgfgfgfg> are they running their IRC client from their own server?
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[18:58] <fsphil> some do
[18:58] <fsphil> there's no difference really
[18:59] <fsphil> a server is just a computer
[18:59] <gfgfgfgfg> how can I install IRSSI on a server? do I need a vps
[18:59] <chris_99> probably yes, you may want to checkout linode
[18:59] <chris_99> they've got some sort of offer on atm
[19:01] <gfgfgfgfg> how do I change my 'real name'
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[19:05] <Laurenceb_> hi
[19:06] <Laurenceb_> is it sensible to try and put 434mhz through a 1nf 0603 ceramic cap?
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[19:22] <Laurenceb_> - dissapation etc?
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[19:50] <iNatrium> fsphil: so... launch still on for saturday?
[19:51] <jonsowman> eroomde: yep I've done the same thing
[19:51] <jonsowman> got rid of fink too
[19:51] <jonsowman> just using homebrew now
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[20:06] <Laurenceb_> http://pastebin.com/QXT3S0tk
[20:06] <Laurenceb_> SpeedEvil: ^ vertex finding
[20:06] <Laurenceb_> hideously complex ++
[20:08] Action: Laurenceb_ hates geometry stuff
[20:09] <iNatrium> pythagoras'd
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[21:17] Nick change: Nigey|Away -> Nigey
[21:17] <Nigey> weird
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[21:18] <GW8RAK> What is?
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[21:46] <eroomde> what's new
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[22:34] <jcoxon> Evening
[22:34] <LazyLeopard> it's been a very quiet evening in here...
[22:35] <jcoxon> Comes I'm waves
[22:35] <jcoxon> In*
[22:35] <russss> here, have some space travel to liven things up a bit http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/videogallery/index.html?media_id=39193541
[22:35] <russss> at ~2minutes it cuts to an internal shot which just looks like they're chilling out reading the paper.
[22:35] <jcoxon> Just needs someone to start it off
[22:37] <jcoxon> So 2 launches this weekend
[22:37] <jcoxon> I'm out of range of both
[22:38] <LazyLeopard> ditto
[22:38] <russss> I had to take my antenna feed down to paint upstairs
[22:38] <jcoxon> Lazyleopard, you are close to the Netherlands
[22:41] <Upu> I might be able to get the Ireland one ?
[22:41] <Upu> or is fsphil not launching this weekend ?
[22:42] <fsphil> plan is still for saturday
[22:42] <fsphil> but I'm a bit worried about the snow
[22:42] <Upu> I might be able to get that one from my location
[22:43] <Upu> Well I'm aiming for the new year
[22:43] <Upu> I need to buy some balloons
[22:43] <Upu> and see if we can launch from York
[22:44] <LazyLeopard> Not this weekend I'm not. ;)
[22:44] <fsphil> where abouts are you Upu?
[22:44] <Upu> Yorkshire
[22:45] <fsphil> it's heading in roughtly your direction, so you'll have no problems receiving it
[22:45] <fsphil> infact it might land near you
[22:45] <Upu> you floating ?
[22:45] <fsphil> strong winds
[22:45] <Upu> prediction url ?
[22:46] <fsphil> one sec
[22:46] <fsphil> could have changed since I last run it..
[22:47] <fsphil> gah, predictors playing silly buggers
[22:48] <Upu> :)
[22:48] <russss> weather forecast for this weekend is diabolical
[22:48] <Upu> I've finally worked out how to make CHDK work with > 4Gb cards only using windows
[22:48] <russss> it's meant to be 1 degree and gusting force 7 on saturday
[22:48] <Upu> the "on board" partitioning thingy on CHDK didn't work for me
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[22:50] <fsphil> perfect balloon launching weather ;-)
[22:50] <russss> heh
[22:50] <russss> perfect not-leaving-the-house weather more likely.
[22:50] <Upu> yeah :)
[22:50] <LazyLeopard> ;)
[22:52] <fsphil> anyway, the last prediction had it landing just past Lancaster
[22:53] <fsphil> or further depending on the burst altitude
[22:53] <Nigey> book a ferry :p
[22:54] <Upu> I could get that :)
[22:54] <fsphil> predictions are liable to change but it would be an excellent flight
[22:54] <Upu> well I look forward to it
[22:55] <Upu> p.s if it ends up in the Yorkshire Dales kthxbai
[22:55] <Nigey> lol
[22:56] <Upu> I've given up trying to get the screen on my A560 to turn off via the script
[22:56] <Upu> and ended up shoving the internals of an old biro in the video out
[22:56] <Upu> it's so pikey
[23:02] <Nigey> haha but if it works.. ;)
[23:02] <fsphil> I set aside a bag of capacitors, so I wouldn't loose them. And now I can't find them. Ahh!
[23:02] <Nigey> :o that's my trick!
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[23:05] <jonsowman> fsphil: predictor issues?
[23:06] <fsphil> yea, has it bursting at launch, or going into orbit
[23:06] <jonsowman> heh
[23:06] <jonsowman> 2 secs
[23:06] <jonsowman> try that
[23:06] <Nigey> orbit :O congrats phil lol
[23:06] <fsphil> k
[23:06] <jonsowman> ping me on irc if it's playing up
[23:06] <jonsowman> I don't always read the backlog when I come back after being afk
[23:07] <fsphil> np
[23:07] <fsphil> eek.. it's changed quite a bit since this-morning: http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=2dd0e9ef9b893dd4a1f6f95256554ab29585b0d7
[23:08] <Nigey> dam, you're gonna need a speedboat dude !
[23:08] <russss> seems like the current weather is a bastard to predict
[23:09] <Upu> Well I'll keep an eye on that :)
[23:09] <Upu> Anyway I'm off night!
[23:10] <fsphil> night!
[23:10] <Nigey> nn Upu
[23:10] <fsphil> if the winds drop further I might be able to keep it this side of the wet stuff
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[23:12] <Nigey> jonsowman, if i try to run a new prediction, my map goes black :|
[23:14] <jcoxon> So excited about ssdv
[23:14] <fsphil> ah, found them. in the box I'd already checked twice
[23:15] <jcoxon> Watching the image come in block by block
[23:15] <fsphil> hiya jcoxon, yep I just hope it all works :)
[23:15] <fsphil> been well tested so.. fingers crossed
[23:17] <jcoxon> Got enough listeners
[23:18] <jcoxon> ?
[23:19] <The-Compiler> fsphil: will the images be viewable in the internet anywere? I don't have any radio gear (yet)
[23:22] <jcoxon> They should appear on spacenear.us/tracker/
[23:23] <The-Compiler> yay
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[23:29] <fsphil> The-Compiler, you can also see them arriving in bits at http://www.sanslogic.co.uk/ssdv/live.php
[23:29] <fsphil> jcoxon, should have my home station, the chase station and hopefully a third in NI
[23:30] <fsphil> I'm not sure how well the 300 baud can be received at distance
[23:30] <fsphil> with a good yagi I suppose it won't be much worse than 50 baue
[23:30] <fsphil> e/d
[23:30] <The-Compiler> okaydokay, I'll go to sleep now, good luck and I hope everything works out for you ;)
[23:30] <fsphil> thanks!
[23:36] <jcoxon> Night all
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[23:37] <Nigey> brb
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