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[01:54] <iNatrium> o/
[01:57] <juxta> heya iNatrium
[01:57] <iNatrium> hi juxta, what's new?
[01:58] <juxta> nothing too exciting, odd weather here though
[01:58] <juxta> it's summer, we had some floodying the other day
[01:58] <juxta> deep enough for me to hydrolock the engine in my car :(
[01:59] <iNatrium> hehe, we have snow
[01:59] <SpeedEvil> http://twitpic.com/3e5wwb Most recent payload parachute landing.
[01:59] <iNatrium> i am pondering going skiing
[01:59] <iNatrium> SpeedEvil: yeah, awesome pics
[02:00] <SpeedEvil> Snow is supposed to melt here.
[02:00] <SpeedEvil> tomorrow
[02:00] <iNatrium> this is a great day for space exploration
[02:00] <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
[02:01] <Darkside> hey juxta
[02:01] <SpeedEvil> I love the statement that the heatshield can take reentry from martian or lunar velocities.
[02:01] <Darkside> nextg is awesome
[02:02] <juxta> yeah it works well
[02:03] <iNatrium> SpeedEvil: did you watch the press conf?
[02:03] <iNatrium> elon musk said that there is some announcement tomorrow
[02:03] <iNatrium> a surprise
[02:03] <iNatrium> i wonder what it is
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[12:46] <Laurenceb> anyone here know anything about computer vision?
[12:48] Action: Laurenceb is trying to detect the orientation of a monitor in the field of view of a camera
[12:48] <madEngineer> some
[12:49] Nick change: madEngineer -> nv1k
[12:49] <Laurenceb> trying Harris corner detection
[12:49] <Laurenceb> its failing badly atm :(
[12:50] <Laurenceb> Harris corner detection to find the monitor coners then perspective transform
[12:50] <nv1k> yeah
[12:50] <Laurenceb> it keeps detecting the corners of the text
[12:50] <nv1k> your own codebase or using opencv or similar?
[12:50] <Laurenceb> http://www.csse.uwa.edu.au/~pk/Research/MatlabFns/#spatial
[12:51] <nv1k> have had that issue before
[12:51] <Laurenceb> if i increase the feature size its too innacurate
[12:51] <Laurenceb> at locating the real corners
[12:51] <nv1k> ouch
[12:52] <Laurenceb> if i have a ton of coners to search through its going to run _really_ slow
[12:52] <nv1k> i had a adaptive threshold
[12:52] <Laurenceb> as the number of combinations going up so fast
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[12:52] <Laurenceb> yeah, i should probably threshold the image first
[12:52] <nv1k> but yeah its a pretty narrow window before it looses accuracy
[12:52] <Laurenceb> luckly the monitor is black
[12:52] <nv1k> using color or b&w
[12:53] <Laurenceb> ill try some kind of nonlinear contrast
[12:54] <Laurenceb> having said that, a lot of the corners are parts of the monitor and things on the desk
[12:54] <nv1k> you could intentionally degrade the image a little bit
[12:54] <Laurenceb> if i generated a shit ton of corners i might be able to filtewr out the ones from people moving about in front etc
[12:55] <Laurenceb> then compensate for camera vibration
[12:55] <Laurenceb> which is the point of this
[12:55] <Laurenceb> then you can reconstruct a clear image on the text on the monitor
[12:55] <nv1k> heh
[12:56] <nv1k> 'clear'
[12:56] <Laurenceb> very blurry
[12:56] <Laurenceb> with mpeg artifacts
[12:56] <nv1k> i have not tried doing anything that high precision
[12:56] <nv1k> my experience is in SLAM and the like for UAV guidance
[12:57] <Laurenceb> yeah its looking pretty hard
[12:57] <Laurenceb> ideally needs to be pixle resolution
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[12:57] <nv1k> thats going to be a pretty high res camera
[12:57] <Laurenceb> - its a big graphic lcd on some diagnostics kit
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[12:58] <Laurenceb> trying to read it from camphone video recorded by someone in the room
[12:58] <nv1k> oh dear
[12:58] <Laurenceb> this sounds pretty dodgey doesnt it lol
[12:58] <Laurenceb> sure there lots of evil uses if this works XD
[12:59] <nv1k> i was just thinking how nightmarish it sounds
[12:59] <Laurenceb> yeah, the image is shaking all over the place
[13:00] <Laurenceb> luckly the phone is high res and the graphic lcd low, so one lcd pixel maps to about 4 effective pixels on the video
[13:02] <nv1k> that certainly helps
[13:11] <Laurenceb> harris edge seems _really_ lame
[13:12] <Laurenceb> i need something to detect points in line with and adjoining edge detector outputs
[13:12] <Laurenceb> harris is just local.. its not going to work
[13:17] <Laurenceb> hmm there seems to be significant lens distortion as well :-S
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[15:37] <harris> hello anyone online
[15:38] <harris> I was hoping to ask someone about the prediction software
[15:39] <jonsowman> go for it
[15:39] <jonsowman> someone will answer if they can help
[15:40] <harris> great stuff : ) here goes
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[15:41] <harris> I have been working on a high Altitude Balloon with school in our Region (North lincolnshire)
[15:42] <harris> because of the snow i had some time at home this week and started working on Google earth predictor for the launch site etc
[15:43] <harris> now of course i wanted to use live wind data from the MET or sim as part of the model
[15:43] <harris> hence I came accross your site
[15:43] <harris> why invent the wheel
[15:43] <harris> this is great!
[15:43] <harris> Qs
[15:44] <harris> the wind speed data in the model is this a full prediction from release to landing based upon wind speed and direction in relation to altitude changes?
[15:48] <jonsowman> the model contains wind speed and pressure data for 26 pressure levels up through the atmosphere
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[15:48] <jonsowman> the predictor assumes the balloon travels at wind speed for the entire flight
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[15:51] <harris> and is the path drawn from launch to release? or launch to landing in a field?
[15:52] <jonsowman> launch to landing
[15:52] <jonsowman> download the kml and view in google earth
[15:52] <jonsowman> will give you a better idea :)
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[15:59] <harris> thank you, would there be anyway to get an idea of the coding behind this engine? you see I intend launching a glider from the balloon which will have a somewhat different flight path as its GPS guided and possibly I could just use the prediction to release and adjust the landing to the gliders parameters
[16:04] <jonsowman> http://github.com/jonsowman/cusf-standalone-predictor/
[16:05] <jonsowman> that's the source
[16:05] <harris> sorry I have to go the building is been locked but I'll vpn in later and have a look at the link : ) thank you ever so much
[16:06] <jonsowman> no problem, see you :)
[16:06] <harris> cheers TTFN
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[16:25] <Laurenceb> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSS29-THbyY&feature=player_embedded#!
[16:25] <Laurenceb> fuuuu
[16:25] <Laurenceb> we're all going to die
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[16:26] <timbobel> fsphil
[16:26] <timbobel> hows things
[16:26] <timbobel> hi all
[16:26] <fsphil> hiya timbobel, not too bad you?
[16:26] <timbobel> yeah quite allright
[16:26] <timbobel> did you get to the compilation?
[16:27] <fsphil> yea it finally finished, but I haven't tested it
[16:27] <fsphil> hold on
[16:27] <timbobel> righto thanks
[16:27] <timbobel> and try to incorporate it in the next update =)
[16:28] <fsphil> it will be, though I'm thinking of changing the character so it can still use #
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[16:41] <Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/ACOvA.png
[16:41] <Laurenceb> ^ nice - from video of a tablet screen
[16:41] <Laurenceb> im trying to do object tracking - thats with vector edge extraction
[16:42] <fsphil> very artistic
[16:42] Action: Laurenceb hasnt done any computer vision before
[16:42] <Laurenceb> its going pretty well with the octave-image library
[16:43] <Laurenceb> bbl
[16:48] <Zuph> Laurenceb: OpenCV is a pretty usable library for image computer vision, also.
[16:48] <Zuph> s/image//
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[17:32] <jcoxon> evening
[17:33] <fsphil> ello ello
[17:35] <jcoxon> fsphil, sorry had to disappear yesterday
[17:35] <jcoxon> i think you are right - lets just swap that character in dl-fldigi
[17:36] <jcoxon> ping eroomde
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[18:02] <fsphil> do you want to keep it the # character, or change it to BEL?
[18:02] <fsphil> to be honest it probably doesn't matter as it's limited to hab mode
[18:02] <jcoxon> doesn't really matter
[18:02] Action: jcoxon is playing with the RFbee source code
[18:02] <fsphil> yea, lets stick with what it is
[18:02] <jcoxon> so much potential...
[18:03] <fsphil> those are the 800mhz modules aint' they?
[18:03] <jcoxon> yeah 868mhz 10mW + arduino in xbee format
[18:03] <fsphil> two way?
[18:03] <jcoxon> yeah
[18:03] <jcoxon> the chip in theory can do 434 but the antenna circuitry isn't setup for it
[18:04] <jcoxon> which is a shame as that would be ultimate
[18:04] <fsphil> that would be
[18:04] <fsphil> intra-payload comms + downlink in one
[18:04] <jcoxon> and so light
[18:04] <fsphil> and uplink too
[18:04] <fsphil> what kind of on-air format is it?
[18:04] <jcoxon> they weight 2.5g
[18:05] <jcoxon> there are a number of formats
[18:05] <jcoxon> 2-fsk and gfsk
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[18:07] <fsphil> if the shift isn't too bad then it should be receivable with fldigi
[18:08] <jcoxon> need an 868mhz rx'er
[18:08] <jcoxon> oh the whitestar ZP balloon flight coming up will have HF
[18:08] <jcoxon> and they said they'll make it dl-fldigi compatible
[18:08] <fsphil> sweet!
[18:09] <fsphil> I've been dabbling with the HF from an AVR with some limited success
[18:10] <fsphil> but as expected the harmonics are too strong without proper filtering
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[18:44] <Laurenceb_> hi
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[19:08] <Upu> http://ava.upuaut.net/files/avafc.jpg
[19:09] <Upu> it makes beeps and everything :)
[19:09] <jcoxon> nice board!
[19:09] <Upu> messy :/ Learnt alot
[19:09] <Upu> my first go at it
[19:10] <jcoxon> like the onboard gps
[19:10] <jcoxon> was that expensive to ship over?
[19:10] <Upu> F*cking nightmare to solder that
[19:10] <Upu> I amazed it still works
[19:10] <Upu> £25 per chip
[19:10] <Upu> About £60 delivered for 2 unless Customs catch you
[19:11] <Upu> in which case + £25
[19:11] <Upu> they aren't expensive but they are quiet difficult to solder
[19:13] <Upu> anyway I think it works, I'm getting telemetry noises but I left my audio lead and netbook at work
[19:13] <Upu> shifted down a little more than I was expecting
[19:13] <jcoxon> :-)
[19:13] <Upu> 434.073
[19:14] <jcoxon> yeah thats okay
[19:14] <jcoxon> the pcb tracks have resistance
[19:14] <Upu> yeah
[19:14] <Upu> One of the things to chance
[19:14] <Upu> change
[19:14] <Upu> keep the tracks much shorter
[19:15] <fsphil> that's really neat
[19:15] <Upu> cheers
[19:15] <Upu> I was 90% sure it wasn't going to work after our escapades with the hot air solder reworker
[19:16] <Upu> but all a learning experience isn't it :)
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[19:17] <Upu> Right I need to do some other stuff bbl
[19:19] <fsphil> are there any capacitors connected with the crystal?
[19:20] <Upu> yeah
[19:20] <Upu> those 2 blue ones
[19:20] <fsphil> ah, two layer
[19:20] <Upu> the other 3 are just filters on the GPS TX/RX and something else
[19:20] <Upu> yeah 2 layer
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