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[01:02] <dia0z> Is the code at http://ukhas.org.uk/code:radio what you guys are currently using for driving the NTX2 modules ?
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[11:46] <SpeedEvil> I was just woken up by a bird. I think it was a wren - landing on my head.
[11:47] <SpeedEvil> I have no idea how it got in.
[11:47] <fsphil> how did it get out?
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[12:06] <russss> SpaceX launch is still go for 2pm GMT
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[12:24] <Laurenceb> oh sweet
[12:24] <Laurenceb> its been drought forward
[12:25] <russss> yeah. They just cut out the cracked portion of the nozzle...
[12:25] <SpeedEvil> Let it out a window
[12:27] <russss> they will be broadcasting it on NASA TV so at least they won't have stream problems like they did on Friday
[12:38] <Laurenceb> arg am i dyslexic or something
[12:38] <Laurenceb> byslexic
[12:43] <Laurenceb> theres a video somewhere of them making the nozzle
[12:44] <Laurenceb> two guys spinning it on a lathe with some kind of torch - maybe plasma torch
[12:44] <Laurenceb> looks _really_ hard to get good results
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[12:51] <timbobel> "The server rejected the submitted form data: Server couldn't make a model from the form data "
[12:52] <timbobel> aaaargh zie predictor!
[12:52] <timbobel> it is not working!
[12:53] <jonsowman> are you trying to run a prediction in the past?
[12:53] <jonsowman> or more than 7 days in the future?
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[13:10] <timbobel> and now it does not work at all
[13:11] <timbobel> run prediction button doesnt respond at all
[13:17] <Laurenceb> anyone got video from spacex?
[13:18] <SpeedEvil> http://www.nasa.gov/145590main_Digital_Media.asx
[13:18] <SpeedEvil> Seems to be a soundless stream
[13:20] <russss> I think they're going to stream it on the main NASA TV channel
[13:20] <russss> mplayer -playlist 'http://playlist.yahoo.com/makeplaylist.dll?id=1369080&segment=149773'
[13:20] <russss> that's what I'm using to play it
[13:20] <russss> they've got quite a cool documentary about the Mercury program playing at the moment
[13:20] <SpeedEvil> ah
[13:21] <Laurenceb> got the nasa stream now - im behind a proxy
[13:22] <Laurenceb> i see venting
[13:22] <russss> ah yes
[13:22] <russss> I wonder if that will have sound
[13:22] <SpeedEvil> '... how NASA engineers are improving flight safety'
[13:22] Action: russss returns to the cheesy NASA TV programming
[13:22] <SpeedEvil> Standing in front of a SR71
[13:25] <timbobel> ok so the cusf prediction seems to be down (or something). i'll try again tonight. just ordered helium for the next flight, picking it up on saturday!
[13:25] <Laurenceb> i see only falcon9
[13:25] <timbobel> HoHoHo II, christmas edition
[13:25] <timbobel> and ill be in london the week after that =)
[13:25] <timbobel> bb
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[13:26] <russss> Laurenceb: that was on the main NASA TV channel
[13:26] <Laurenceb> oh i see
[13:28] <russss> SpaceX's actual stream has audio http://www.spacex.com/webcast.php
[13:29] <russss> also an annoying PR person
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[13:34] <russss> haha, they've pushed the T-0 to 14:09 to avoid a collision with the ISS
[13:34] <russss> that's probably a good thing
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[13:36] <Laurenceb> lol
[13:37] <russss> 14:06 even
[13:37] <russss> their window is 14:00 to 14:06 due to TRDSS slots
[13:37] <Laurenceb> trdss?
[13:37] <russss> NASA's satellite network
[13:38] <russss> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracking_and_Data_Relay_Satellite_System
[13:39] <russss> they are using lots of NASA bits and pieces
[13:41] <Laurenceb> ah
[13:44] <GW8RAK> Doing paperwork this afternoon, so hopefully I can watch the launch.
[13:47] <fsphil> just tuned in -- all I've got are two guys with big cameras?
[13:48] <SpeedEvil> Stock footage
[13:48] <SpeedEvil> It's them practicing on shuttle
[13:48] <SpeedEvil> practicing on photographing shuttle from inside ISS
[13:48] <russss> http://www.spacex.com/webcast.php is better
[13:49] <SpeedEvil> Oh - right - they've started that
[13:49] <fsphil> ah, so it is
[13:51] <fsphil> looks like a nice warm day
[13:51] <SpeedEvil> It also looks like a nice warm day here.
[13:51] <SpeedEvil> If you don't look at the snow.
[13:52] <fsphil> heh, yea
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[14:03] <SpeedEvil> hmm
[14:03] <SpeedEvil> 'turn it off, turn it back on again'
[14:04] <russss> their next window is now ~15:30 our time
[14:06] <Laurenceb> launch window expired
[14:06] <russss> yeah, they were aiming to the very end of their 9am window
[14:20] <russss> 15:38-15:43 and 17:16-17:20 are the next two launch windows
[14:23] <juxta> hi all
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[14:36] <russss> they're shooting for 15:43 UTC now
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[15:30] <Laurenceb> clock restarted
[15:31] <GW8RAK> Time to turn the volume up
[15:32] <GW8RAK> Do you have to run through all the nemonics for a balloon launch? :)
[15:33] <Laurenceb> heh we should
[15:33] <fsphil> "duct tape applied .. check"
[15:33] <Laurenceb> i finally got the zl-special essembled
[15:34] <Laurenceb> some of the brackets are a little wobbly - might use some epoxy in places
[15:34] <fsphil> have you tested it yet?
[15:34] <Laurenceb> nope - i need to add 3.3v active ant supply to the sdr
[15:35] <Laurenceb> this is the point where you tell people in #space that their feed is laggy... then say it blew up
[15:35] <Laurenceb> <-evil
[15:36] <Darkside> hmm
[15:36] <Darkside> bifeo is hogne
[15:36] <Darkside> video is gone
[15:36] <Darkside> for me
[15:36] <fsphil> hmm.. antenna with a cat5 port.. power over two pairs, 100mb data over the other
[15:36] <Darkside> and i cant reload the webpage to
[15:36] <GW8RAK> "duct tape applied - Check" Like it :)
[15:37] <Laurenceb> fsphil: nice plan
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[15:37] <Darkside> anyone else got spacex video?
[15:37] <Laurenceb> hmm almost enough room for a linux board in these massively oversize covers
[15:38] <Laurenceb> Darkside: yes
[15:38] <Darkside> im only getting audio
[15:38] <Darkside> and i cant reload the page
[15:38] <Laurenceb> fsphil: gumstick on the antenni XD
[15:38] <fsphil> Laurenceb, that would be a neat trick
[15:38] <fsphil> Darkside, playing here but the sound is a bit .. compressed
[15:38] <SpeedEvil> I get video and 04:20 left
[15:38] <Laurenceb> then power over ethernal
[15:38] <Laurenceb> *ethernet
[15:39] <Darkside> fuuuuu
[15:39] <Darkside> stupid website
[15:39] <Darkside> i guess they cant handle the load
[15:39] <Laurenceb> needs 2 axis rotators to be really awesome tho
[15:40] <fsphil> have a small serial port too, for controlling the rotators
[15:40] <GW8RAK> I bet the phone goes just at the critical part of the launch.
[15:40] <Darkside> its on nasa tv
[15:40] <Darkside> but delayed by a minute
[15:40] <Darkside> says 4:30 on nasa tv
[15:41] <GW8RAK> Okay here on the SpaceX site
[15:41] <Darkside> dont refresh
[15:41] <Darkside> it wony load
[15:41] <russss> it's on NASA TV too
[15:41] <russss> http://www.nasa.gov/ntv
[15:41] <fsphil> -1:10
[15:42] <Darkside> http://www.spaceflightnow.com/falcon9/002/status.html
[15:42] <Darkside> got it
[15:42] <Darkside> russss: nasa tv is delayed
[15:42] <Darkside> use http://www.spaceflightnow.com/falcon9/002/status.html
[15:42] <GW8RAK> I'm sure that BT Broadband will manage to work it's magic and lose the connection at the critical moment
[15:42] <russss> ah
[15:42] <Darkside> 1 minute
[15:42] <russss> I'm using spacex anyhow
[15:42] <fsphil> 30
[15:42] <fsphil> I said it looks warm earlier -- looked up the weather and it's only 6c
[15:43] <SpeedEvil> Woo
[15:43] <Darkside> spaceflightnow is delayed too
[15:43] <GW8RAK> Wow
[15:43] <Darkside> by about 10 seconds
[15:43] <fsphil> now that's a nice noise
[15:43] <Laurenceb> that was a bit violent
[15:43] <GW8RAK> It didn't hang about the launch pad
[15:44] <GW8RAK> I wonder what that cost?
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[15:45] <Darkside> wait for the boom
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[15:46] <GW8RAK> Good shot of separation
[15:46] <fsphil> oh that was cool
[15:46] <SpeedEvil> Yep.
[15:46] <SpeedEvil> Including the whittled engine-bell.
[15:46] <fsphil> look at that horizon
[15:47] <Darkside> i wonder what the white things on top of the towers are
[15:47] <Darkside> ol GPS lock
[15:47] <Darkside> wut
[15:47] <SpeedEvil> Lightning rods
[15:47] <fsphil> 3.7km/s
[15:48] <GW8RAK> Doesn't look so streamlined now
[15:48] <Darkside> bloody spaceflight now website doesnt show the onboard camera
[15:48] <GW8RAK> Nice shift of rocket nozzle then
[15:48] <Laurenceb> like the variable pointing attitude control thruster
[15:48] <fsphil> they're doing well keeping the video going
[15:48] <SpeedEvil> None of the previous spinning
[15:48] <GW8RAK> Is that what it was.
[15:48] <russss> they're using TDRSS for the video
[15:48] <Laurenceb> are they recovering the first?
[15:48] <SpeedEvil> that it was doing last time
[15:49] <russss> beautiful looking launch
[15:49] <Darkside> TDRSS?
[15:49] <SpeedEvil> yes
[15:49] <russss> NASA's tracking satellites
[15:50] <SpeedEvil> Teeny looking drift.
[15:50] <russss> same as the shuttle does
[15:50] <SpeedEvil> It's rock solid
[15:50] <GW8RAK> How high is it going? 210km is enough for orbit?
[15:50] <SpeedEvil> yes
[15:50] <Darkside> still not getting video here :
[15:50] <Darkside> :(
[15:50] <Laurenceb> its going to 300
[15:50] <russss> 300km now
[15:50] <SpeedEvil> but you need another coupld of thousand m/s
[15:50] <SpeedEvil> Or it splashes
[15:50] <fsphil> be a while before ukhas manages that altitude :)
[15:50] <russss> I guess SECO is at about T+8:30
[15:51] <juxta> heya Darkside
[15:51] <Darkside> hey juxta
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[15:51] <russss> ah, T+9
[15:51] <SpeedEvil> Get to it!
[15:51] <Darkside> oh now i have video
[15:51] <Darkside> about time
[15:51] <Darkside> wow
[15:52] <SpeedEvil> :)
[15:52] <SpeedEvil> Now, the hard part!
[15:52] <russss> heh, yeah
[15:52] <Darkside> wooooow
[15:52] <Darkside> look at that
[15:52] <russss> deploy
[15:52] <GW8RAK> Nice
[15:53] <GW8RAK> Sounds like someone in the background got excited
[15:53] <Darkside> saand video lost
[15:53] <SpeedEvil> I think that's looking up at the ottom of the heatshield?
[15:53] <SpeedEvil> Of the lander
[15:53] <Laurenceb> nice
[15:53] <SpeedEvil> Awesome.
[15:53] <Darkside> what a moustache
[15:53] <GW8RAK> That was worth watching. They look happy
[15:54] <SpeedEvil> Even it if completely fucks up now, it's proved that they can do two launches in a row.
[15:54] <GW8RAK> Either he is a throwback to the 70's or he's american
[15:54] <Laurenceb> at liftoff it looks like they destroyed a kerosene feed
[15:54] <SpeedEvil> Check the moustache.
[15:54] <Laurenceb> massive load of flames down the lhs
[15:54] <GW8RAK> Must watch later for the reentry
[15:55] <GW8RAK> If shown
[15:55] <Laurenceb> are they recovering the first stage?
[15:55] Action: SpeedEvil idly wonders if it's visible
[15:56] <fsphil> what are the odds it lands in australia :p
[15:56] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: I don't think so this time.
[15:56] Action: Laurenceb gets a boat
[15:58] <GW8RAK> Some people have tried aircraft scatter from long range comms. How about satellite scatter?
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[15:58] <SpeedEvil> echo
[15:59] <russss> they're going to try and recover the first stage
[15:59] <russss> but they admit that it might take a few attempts to get it right
[15:59] <russss> they've got NASA's Shuttle SRB recovery ships out there
[15:59] <fsphil> GW8RAK, I read about morse code being bounced of the iss
[16:00] <GW8RAK> Yes, I remember that now.
[16:00] <fsphil> I think they tried psk31 too but it didn't work
[16:01] <SpeedEvil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Echo GW8RAK
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[16:04] <russss> massively good news for SpaceX anyhow, I know a lot of people in the US would have been hugely critical of COTS if that had gone wrong
[16:05] <russss> and it's pretty amazing how quickly they fixed that nozzle crack issue
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[16:05] <russss> especially considering NASA's current problem with cracks...
[16:05] <SpeedEvil> I can't help have the impression that NASA would have made that a shutdown till the process was completely debugged.
[16:06] <russss> they did a root cause analysis on it though
[16:06] <russss> in 2 days
[16:06] <SpeedEvil> While missing systemic risks.
[16:06] <GW8RAK> SpeedEvil - the ultimate high altitude balloon?
[16:06] <russss> perhaps
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[16:06] <SpeedEvil> NASAs main problem is they have too much money to spend on things.
[16:06] <GW8RAK> Area 51?
[16:06] <SpeedEvil> They don't buy it off the shelf _nearly_ often enough.
[16:07] <ms7821> nasa are synonymous with mismanagement
[16:07] <russss> I guess they decided that actually trying to get something working was more important that being paranoid.
[16:07] <russss> Of course *everything* changes when you're carrying people.
[16:08] <SpeedEvil> True.
[16:08] <russss> that's the problem with the Shuttle, they can't send it up unmanned
[16:08] <SpeedEvil> They can actually.
[16:08] <SpeedEvil> It's never been done - but the engineering needed is minimal
[16:08] <russss> for certain values of "can't". I'm sure it's not that hard, but I guess it doesn't make economic/political sense.
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[16:09] <SpeedEvil> It's basically a few wires - in well studied locations to enable the gear down, and the flight data doors open
[16:09] <SpeedEvil> and that's about it
[16:09] <SpeedEvil> yeah.
[16:09] <russss> I think shaking the problems out of the vehicle by actually launching it unmanned before putting people on it is a good idea.
[16:09] <SpeedEvil> Though there would be no shortage at all of people willing to go on that first flight.
[16:10] <russss> the problem is that it's bad PR to kill people even if they're fully aware of the risks :)
[16:11] <SpeedEvil> True.
[16:11] <SpeedEvil> Unless they're construction workers.
[16:12] <russss> yeah...weird, that.
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[16:16] <SpeedEvil> Damn - that would have been utterly cool.
[16:16] <SpeedEvil> - if they could have launched at the original time - ISS astronauts could ahve watched.
[16:16] <russss> ah yeah
[16:16] <russss> could have watched on the ISS webcam
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[16:25] <Laurenceb> can anyone get this to work - http://octave.sourceforge.net/image/overview.html
[16:26] <Laurenceb> on ubuntu - ive installed octave-image, but bwboundaries doesnt work
[16:26] <Laurenceb> pretty much all the other functions listed there do
[16:28] <jcoxon> afternoon all
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[16:33] <jcoxon> ping fsphil
[16:34] <fsphil> hiya jcoxon
[16:34] <jcoxon> hey - just looking at the patch for baudot
[16:34] <jcoxon> so your thinking is just to swap the character # for *
[16:34] <jcoxon> rather than a server change
[16:35] <fsphil> yep - seemed to have the least impact
[16:35] <jcoxon> just requires people to update
[16:36] <fsphil> yea - I'm not that happy with changing an existing standard either
[16:38] <fsphil> it might do as a temporary fix, until a better solution comes along
[16:39] <fsphil> I'm not all that convinced using baudot is a good idea anyway
[16:40] <SpeedEvil> replay of spacex launch on NASA TV
[16:40] <russss> also here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-ci9xIgNZM
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[16:43] <fsphil> jcoxon, there's a BEL character in baudot -- I bet that's never used
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[16:43] <fsphil> changing that to * would have the least impact
[16:45] Action: LazyLeopard notes in passing that "nominal" is clearly word of the day...
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[17:09] <jcoxon> fsphil, indeed - in some ways if only timbol is going to use it then the current patch can't do that much harm
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[17:10] <jcoxon> just make it very clear
[17:11] <jcoxon> okay i'll merge the change and build a new version
[17:11] <jcoxon> need to push people to adopt it
[17:11] <jcoxon> bbiab
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[17:17] <fsphil> brb
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[17:36] <SpeedEvil> 'The Dragon's heat shield is designed to withstand re-entry velocities from Lunar and Martian spaceflight missions.'
[17:36] <SpeedEvil> funky
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[17:38] <fsphil> I just seen something very bright in the sky, moving quite fast
[17:39] <SpeedEvil> Possibly an iridium flare
[17:39] <SpeedEvil> ?
[17:39] <fsphil> moving too fast
[17:39] <fsphil> although it was that sort of brightness
[17:39] <fsphil> lemme check heavens above
[17:39] <SpeedEvil> Dragon would be nowhere near that brightness.
[17:39] <fsphil> was wondering if it was another part of that flight reentering
[17:40] <russss> second stage would have already re-entered
[17:40] <SpeedEvil> yeah
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[17:44] <fsphil> there was a -2 mag flare about 10 minutes before I saw this, but in another part of the sky
[17:44] <SpeedEvil> Weather balloon?
[17:44] <fsphil> it was very bright
[17:45] <fsphil> about mag -4
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[17:45] <fsphil> venus sort of brightness
[17:45] <SpeedEvil> Was it a point light source, or was there a trail involved?
[17:45] <fsphil> no trail
[17:45] <fsphil> and it flickered
[17:46] <fsphil> it was almost directly west of where I am
[17:46] <fsphil> and it appeared to be travelling down
[17:46] <fsphil> it went behind a house and I lost it
[17:47] <SpeedEvil> If you come across a smoking crater, with something unscrewing at the bottom, run.
[17:47] <fsphil> yay
[17:47] <fsphil> we're all doomed
[17:47] <SpeedEvil> Where are you - I forgot.
[17:47] <fsphil> cookstown, middle of n.ireland
[17:49] <SpeedEvil> Ah
[17:50] <SpeedEvil> ICBM -> Claim off insurance -> finance problems solved.
[17:51] <fsphil> if it was something re-entering, probably landing in scotland...
[17:52] Action: SpeedEvil checks the garden.
[17:52] <SpeedEvil> Woo! BRB - harvesting free solar panels.
[17:53] <fsphil> slightly charred
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[18:02] <natrium42> hi
[18:04] <natrium42> anybody found spacex webcast?
[18:05] <DanielRichman> natrium42: 16:40 < SpeedEvil> replay of spacex launch on NASA TV
[18:05] <DanielRichman> 16:40 < russss> also here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-ci9xIgNZM
[18:05] <DanielRichman> is that what you're referring to?
[18:05] <natrium42> nasatv shows some other program atm...
[18:05] <russss> they're not webcasting the flight
[18:05] <natrium42> deorbit burn is 15 mins away
[18:05] <natrium42> :/
[18:08] <NigeyS> it might be on the media channel not the public channel
[18:08] <NigeyS> http://www.nasa.gov/145590main_Digital_Media.asx
[18:09] <russss> they said they weren't webcasting after the launch
[18:10] <NigeyS> that sucks :(
[18:12] <russss> they were tweeting about it but they've gone a bit quiet
[18:12] <russss> http://twitter.com/#!/spacexer
[18:14] <SpeedEvil> http://twitpic.com/3e3stc one pic
[18:15] <russss> should be deorbiting now
[18:15] <SpeedEvil> yep
[18:18] <russss> http://twitter.com/#!/SpaceXer/status/12571451097874432
[18:19] <natrium42> :)
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[18:19] <SpeedEvil> :)
[18:20] Action: SpeedEvil wonders what the cheapest way of tweeting from orbit - without putting up your own infrastructure - would be.
[18:21] <fsphil> yagi + mobile phone
[18:22] <SpeedEvil> I suspect not. :)
[18:22] <SpeedEvil> np: Queen - Too much doppler will kill you.
[18:23] <fsphil> satellite phone most likely
[18:24] <fsphil> the other options involve setting up your own ground station
[18:24] <fsphil> or packet radio over one of the amateur satellites
[18:24] <SpeedEvil> I doubt most satphones will work with doppler
[18:24] <russss> in LEO there are quite a few places where you're out of range of everywhere though
[18:25] <fsphil> the satellites receiving the calls have to deal with doppler already
[18:25] <russss> that's why NASA has TDRSS
[18:25] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: yes - but they are coded for different doppler
[18:25] <natrium42> burn complete
[18:29] <SpeedEvil> I guess reentry will be ~40 min after burn start, and take 5-10 min
[18:29] <SpeedEvil> So what - 19:20?
[18:30] <natrium42> sound about right
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[18:39] <russss> http://twitter.com/#!/NASA/status/12575451155271680
[18:39] <russss> "The Dragon spacecraft's main chute is scheduled to deploy in about 20-minutes."
[18:40] <russss> I guess they can go for a steeper re-entry profile due to the lack of squishy humans in the capsule
[18:41] <SpeedEvil> Well - ...
[18:41] <SpeedEvil> It depends
[18:42] <SpeedEvil> Progress - IIRC - if it loses control - goes to a 7-9G reentry
[18:42] <SpeedEvil> That is a 'passive' reentry, not actively steered
[18:42] <LazyLeopard> ...whether they're monitoring some payload in the capsue to make sure the re-entry's comfortable...
[18:43] <SpeedEvil> The time lag also depends on how deeply you burn into the atmosphere
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[18:43] <SpeedEvil> It can be significantly less than half an orbit
[18:44] <SpeedEvil> And doing a 'deeper' burn would mean you have better certainty for where you land
[18:44] <SpeedEvil> which is probably a good thing initially.
[18:53] <russss> http://twitter.com/#!/SpaceXer/status/12580268195975168
[18:56] <russss> http://twitter.com/#!/SpaceXer/status/12580924453552128
[18:56] <natrium42> whee
[18:56] <natrium42> we should push spacex to use spacenear.us/tracker
[18:56] <natrium42> j/k
[18:57] <GW8RAK> Can't get any update on the SpaceX website.
[18:57] <GW8RAK> But twitter news is good
[18:58] <SpeedEvil> :)
[18:59] <SpeedEvil> I suppose that the tracker would actually be moderately accurate once it's in range.
[19:04] <LazyLeopard> Heh!
[19:04] <natrium42> splashdown
[19:05] <LazyLeopard> Probably need a motorised two-axis rotator to track it in-comming, though. ;)
[19:05] <SpeedEvil> Awesome.
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[19:05] <SpeedEvil> Even if it sinks - it's done awesomely.
[19:07] <LazyLeopard> Yay! ;)
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[19:09] <natrium42> spacex ftw
[19:10] <natrium42> it has me more excited than shuttle
[19:12] <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
[19:12] <SpeedEvil> Shuttles initial promises were many.
[19:12] <SpeedEvil> But it never lived up to them.
[19:12] <SpeedEvil> SpaceX has a ratehr simpler vehicle that in many ways is more interesting.
[19:15] <natrium42> ares was a joke
[19:15] <natrium42> "ohai, let's build a vehicle from STS parts so that we keep jobs"
[19:16] <SpeedEvil> STS parts in some ways could be interesting.
[19:16] <SpeedEvil> shuttle-c
[19:18] <natrium42> shuttle-c was envisioned from the start
[19:18] <SpeedEvil> But Ares diddn't really have enough commonality witht he existing parts to make it worthwhile
[19:18] <natrium42> with ares they could make a design based on current engineering requirements
[19:18] <natrium42> not based on keeping as much of STS as possible...
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[19:21] <SpeedEvil> Yes. But you start from the thought-processes of shuttle.
[19:21] <Laurenceb_> hi
[19:21] <SpeedEvil> LH2, high pressure turbopumps, ...
[19:21] <SpeedEvil> Hi.
[19:21] <Laurenceb_> this is odd - ubuntu seems to have forgotten its style
[19:21] <Laurenceb_> looks like windows NT :-/
[19:23] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: http://xkcd.com/424/
[19:24] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: SpaceX/dragon reentered successfully.
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[19:30] <Laurenceb_> already
[19:30] <Laurenceb_> nice
[19:32] <Laurenceb_> clearly windows xp legacy mode
[19:32] <SpeedEvil> SpaceXer SpaceX Recovery crew has put the floats on the Dragon already.
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[20:57] <Laurenceb_> is there a recovery feed, or have they finished now?
[21:00] <SpeedEvil> No feed.
[21:01] <Laurenceb_> fairdoos, very impressive work from them
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[21:04] <Zuph> Alright, we're north of 20c inside for the first time in a week :)
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[21:33] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[21:58] <Laurenceb_> we're above -10C for the first time in a while here
[22:00] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:00] <Lunar_Lander> hi Laurenceb
[22:00] <Laurenceb_> the apprentice is soo bad
[22:01] <Laurenceb_> "next we see big ben, the clock is 20diameters wide, so thats very wide indeed"
[22:03] Nick change: DanielRichman -> M0ZDR
[22:03] <Lunar_Lander> LOL
[22:03] Nick change: M0ZDR -> DanielRichman
[22:03] <Lunar_Lander> what are you watching?
[22:07] <LazyLeopard> Found a callsign you could live with, then... ;)
[22:08] <Laurenceb_> "on the right we see the river thames, its very big"
[22:09] <fsphil> the thing I'm dreading the most when I do my intermediate is picking the callsign ;-)
[22:09] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/8184036/Missing-Gordon-Bennett-balloonists-discovered-in-Adriatic-Seapp.html
[22:09] <LazyLeopard> Hmmm... 2I0...
[22:10] <fsphil> 2I0VIM.. nah
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[22:12] <fsphil> hehe.. "Mastercard is currently experiencing some technical issues."
[22:20] <DanielRichman> Lunar_Lander: The Apprentice is this terrible show where ~10 inexperienced but apparently 'good' "business people" compete in two teams to "be the best at business", under Alan Sugar. This parody by some comedians might explain some of it... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ss-59fi4nM
[22:21] <SpeedEvil> http://twitpic.com/3e5sq5
[22:21] <SpeedEvil> I love the recovery boat.
[22:21] <SpeedEvil> Compared to the massive recovery ships used in Apollo.
[22:22] <Lunar_Lander> thanks DanielRichman
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[22:23] <DanielRichman> essentially how well the teams have done is measured in £, the losing team has to argue until Sugar can pick one to "fire". This repeats until he runs out of people or the entire audience dies of boredom.
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[22:23] <DanielRichman> where repeats is every week for a series
[22:24] <Laurenceb_> lol
[22:25] <Lunar_Lander> LOL
[22:25] <Laurenceb_> the flotation things are odd
[22:26] <Lunar_Lander> was that featured by Charlie Brooker also?
[22:28] <Laurenceb_> why so long
[22:28] <Laurenceb_> maybe so the astronauts can sunbathe?
[22:28] <SpeedEvil> It's got two stable positions - upside down, and the right way up.
[22:29] <SpeedEvil> If it's the right way up, then that float will stabilise it even in moderate seas
[22:30] <Laurenceb_> i see
[22:30] <fsphil> oooooh: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11954932
[22:30] <Laurenceb_> i think they broke the microphone at takeoff :P
[22:30] <fsphil> that might have been what I saw
[22:31] <fsphil> yes! the time is perfect, 17:40
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[22:35] <fsphil> I must setup an all-sky camera sometime
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[22:40] <Lunar_Lander> cool idea
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[22:52] <fsphil> I wonder why I didn't see a trail
[22:53] <LazyLeopard> Too faint against the sky glow?
[22:53] <LazyLeopard> ...or maybe there wasn't one?
[22:55] <fsphil> yea, could be either - the sky glow is fairly bad here now
[22:56] <NigeyS> LazyLeopard, there is always a tail, sometimes 2
[22:57] <LazyLeopard> ...but not always a visible one.
[22:58] <fsphil> hopefully there'll be some video of it
[22:58] <fsphil> someone's bound to have captured it
[22:59] <LazyLeopard> Might've been good for a brief VHF DX contact, I guess?
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[23:00] <fsphil> haha
[23:01] <LazyLeopard> ;)
[23:01] <fsphil> I was thinking about how much hab telemetry could be squeezed into it
[23:02] <Lunar_Lander> I'm officially 21 since 2 minutes
[23:02] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[23:03] <fsphil> happy birthday ;-)
[23:04] <Lunar_Lander> thanks :)
[23:04] <fsphil> your still 20 in the UK ;-)
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[23:05] <Lunar_Lander> yeah xD
[23:05] <Lunar_Lander> but only 55 minutes
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[23:08] <DanielRichman> Happy birthday :)
[23:08] <Lunar_Lander> thank you :)
[23:17] <natrium_> happy bird-day, Lunar_Lander
[23:17] <natrium_> how old did you get?
[23:17] <Lunar_Lander> thank you
[23:17] <Lunar_Lander> 21
[23:18] <SpeedEvil> Congrats Lunar_Lander!
[23:18] <SpeedEvil> Go out and do whatever requires you to be 21!
[23:18] <Lunar_Lander> yeah :)
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[23:19] <Lunar_Lander> I can become a bus driver now xD
[23:19] <natrium_> Busfahrer!
[23:20] <Lunar_Lander> xD yeah
[23:20] <SpeedEvil> 'There are no specific age of consent laws in the Antarctic.'
[23:20] <natrium_> similar to the vatican
[23:20] <natrium_> :P
[23:21] <Lunar_Lander> LOL
[23:23] <Randomskk> however iirc your nationality's laws may apply
[23:23] <Randomskk> additionally it's quite difficult for someone underage to get there, anyway, and especially without being in a large tour group
[23:23] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[23:23] <Randomskk> do international waters have ages of consent?
[23:23] <Randomskk> like in the UK, it's illegal to go to another country to take advantage of their age of consent
[23:24] <Randomskk> ....or is it just illegal to go to another country to use their prostitutes? I can't remember
[23:24] <Randomskk> http://www.fco.gov.uk/en/travel-and-living-abroad/be-a-responsible-tourist/child-sex-tourism
[23:24] <Randomskk> British citizens and residents can be prosecuted in the UK for sexual offences committed against children abroad under the Sexual Offences Act 2003. Having a sexual relationship with a child is an offence, regardless of local cultural practices.
[23:25] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
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[23:54] <jonsowman> e
[23:54] <Lunar_Lander> hi jonsowman
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