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[01:01] <Darkside> morning juxta
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[02:59] <juxta> hey Darkside
[02:59] <juxta> am around now
[02:59] <juxta> shenki, you around too?
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[04:39] <Darkside> juxta: im here now
[04:39] <Darkside> lol
[04:39] <Darkside> im at uni at th emoment, shenki is at the cricket
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[11:47] <shenki> juxta: hello?
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[12:46] <GW8RAK> Is the cold weather even affecting HAB discussions?
[12:47] <Darkside> its not cold here :P
[12:47] <Darkside> (australia)
[12:48] <Darkside> goddamn, forecast for 36 degrees tomorrow
[12:48] <GW8RAK> Okay, don't rub it in. It's actually got above freezing here.
[12:48] <Darkside> no, 36 degrees is bad
[12:48] <GW8RAK> 36 degrees. It's almost that here.
[12:48] <Darkside> its too hot
[12:48] <Darkside> 36 degrees celsius
[12:48] <GW8RAK> My comment was tongue in cheek
[12:48] <GW8RAK> :-)
[12:49] <Darkside> :P
[12:49] <GW8RAK> -11C in the garden this morning.
[12:49] <GW8RAK> I live in an old stone cottage and although it's well insulated, -11 is beyond it's insulation rating.
[12:50] <Darkside> heh
[12:51] Action: SpeedEvil sighs.
[12:52] <SpeedEvil> I live in an old stone cottage that I've not finished insulating, and it's not centrally heated. -8 outside. Electric blankets ++
[12:53] <GW8RAK> We went 17 years without central heating, just a Rayburn in the kitchen. The kitchen was lovely, but as you got towards the bedroom, it got colder.
[12:53] <GW8RAK> Memories of ice inside the windows.
[12:53] Action: SpeedEvil ponders taking pictures of said ice.
[13:00] <fsphil> I'm wonder if the cold weather will cause any problems with my launch
[13:00] <fsphil> wondering
[13:01] <GW8RAK> When are you Thinking of launching?
[13:01] <fsphil> weekend after the next
[13:01] <fsphil> snow could all be gone by then ;-)
[13:01] <fsphil> though I doubt it
[13:01] <Randomskk> bring warm clothes, gloves
[13:01] <Randomskk> :p
[13:02] <GW8RAK> Because of work I get blase of temperatures around -30, but when you soon loose that when personally exposed to negative temps.
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[13:10] <GW8RAK> BT broadband has graciously given me permission to connect again.
[13:10] <GW8RAK> How long for, I don't know.
[13:10] <fsphil> I've been kicked off a few times today
[13:10] <fsphil> no explanation why
[13:11] <Randomskk> snow day
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[13:18] <GW8RAK> fsphil, hopefully the connection will remain stable now. Did you say you were thinking of launching the weekend of the 11/12th?
[13:18] <fsphil> indeed -- or the weekend after that
[13:18] <fsphil> depending on the weather and predictions
[13:19] <GW8RAK> Something for me to aim for in terms of getting the station set up.
[13:19] <fsphil> you should be well placed
[13:20] <fsphil> I'm interested in seeing how well the images can be decoded at distance
[13:20] <eroomde> you're flying dsstv again then?
[13:20] <fsphil> yep
[13:20] <eroomde> awesome
[13:21] <fsphil> updated so it's a bit more tolerant of missing data
[13:21] <eroomde> i am currently radioless and due to get a new one but can't get to the shops just at the moment. otherwise i would certainly liosten out
[13:22] <eroomde> i am on the south downs currently. not great I know but I can get myself to 250m ASL
[13:22] <GW8RAK> If the wind blows in the right direction, I really want to rx the SSTV this time.
[13:23] <GW8RAK> fsphil, if it is likely to come down in North Wales, give me some forward notice and I'll try to recover it for you.
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[13:24] <eroomde> greetings SpikeUK
[13:25] <fsphil> that would be a good flight GW8RAK - if it looks like it'll make landfall then I'll definitely have a go at that
[13:25] <GW8RAK> Don't have a boat anymore, so the Irish sea is no go area!
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[13:26] <fsphil> It'd be too cold even with a boat
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[13:52] <GW8RAK> fsphil, what is the weather doing over there this afternoon? What you have had recently is on it's way here.
[13:53] <fsphil> it was snowing heavy all morning, I think it's stopped now but I'm not near a window
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[13:55] <GW8RAK> The weather forecast hasn't said much about snow here, but with the temperatures, any precipation would be snow.
[13:55] <m1x10> Im here again
[13:55] <GW8RAK> Which can make getting home up a steep hill difficult
[13:55] <m1x10> Still alive :)
[13:56] <GW8RAK> Enjoying your time in the army?
[13:57] <fsphil> just took a peek outside, it's not snowing but there's a fair bit of cloud about
[13:57] <fsphil> g'day m1x10
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[14:20] <m1x10> enjoying army is a bit awkward :)
[14:20] <SpeedEvil> Depends if you're that way inclinde.
[14:23] <m1x10> im neutral with army
[14:24] <m1x10> I just struggle so I dont get punished
[14:26] <m1x10> 2 days ago I was in the service of guarding the guns
[14:26] <m1x10> and i counted 1 less weapon
[14:26] <m1x10> I said it to my lieutenant
[14:26] <m1x10> and he started screaming
[14:27] <GW8RAK> I can imagine.
[14:27] <m1x10> then I counted again and found the number ok
[14:27] <SpeedEvil> Oops.
[14:27] <m1x10> he shouted open your eyes and learn to count
[14:27] <m1x10> it was 4 o clock at nigr
[14:27] <m1x10> night
[14:28] <m1x10> i was a bit sleepy
[14:28] <m1x10> and las night I was guarding the hawk missisles :)
[14:28] <GW8RAK> Don't worry about it, we all make mistakes.
[14:28] <GW8RAK> Just not with weapons :-)
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[14:32] <micronaut> [16:31] <m1x10> the funny staff is that when i had the camp patrol service, a couple of dogs were accompannied me
[14:32] <micronaut> [16:32] <m1x10> they followed me for 3 hours !
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[14:41] <GW8RAK> That's enough work for one week. Time for home and some lunch.
[14:49] <eroomde> GW8RAK: good thinking
[14:49] <eroomde> maybe a sherry to go with
[14:49] <eroomde> it's been reclaimed from grannies - it's just the thing in weather like this (unless you want to go straight for the hard stuff so early in the afternoon!)
[14:50] <GW8RAK> A bit early for sherry!
[14:50] <GW8RAK> Actually, I was thinking of the hard stuff come 5 o'clock
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[14:50] <GW8RAK> Just last minute jobs then off.
[14:50] <eroomde> if you rationalise it as 'the end of the working week' rather than '6pm' then all is justified and well :)
[14:51] <GW8RAK> I can rationalise anything except falling over :-)
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[14:51] <eroomde> :)
[14:53] <GW8RAK> emails and pricing spreadsheet sent home, so I'll adjourn to there I think and finish off.
[14:53] <GW8RAK> ttfn
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[15:11] <m1x10> I'm tired !
[15:19] <Laurenceb_> this weather is getting tedious - my yagi has been stuck in a depot somewhere in nottinghamshire for 4 days now :(
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[15:25] <Laurenceb_> p://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9cSxEqKQ78
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[15:32] <Laurenceb_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K75ZnxR66Uo&feature=player_detailpage#t=148s
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[15:32] <Laurenceb_> doh
[15:35] <m1x10> fsphil: http://www.cutedigi.com/product_info.php?products_id=4480&osCsid=be4149d698d155b3ba9481d87c2d6138
[15:36] <m1x10> those guys are cheating
[15:37] <m1x10> I send them a mail sometime ago that they dont have ab automatic light sensor so it can turn on/off the IR leds
[15:37] <m1x10> and now they build it
[15:37] <m1x10> they build my ideas :)
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[16:50] <russss> SpaceX countdown test http://www.spacex.com/webcast.php
[16:52] <SpeedEvil> :)
[16:52] <SpeedEvil> When's it due - the 9th?
[16:52] <SpeedEvil> i forget
[16:52] <russss> least exciting stream ever. It's cool that they actually test it completely right down to T-0 though.
[16:53] <russss> "between December 7th and 9th"
[16:53] <russss> they're being cagey about the exact plans
[16:53] <SpeedEvil> russss: I disagree
[16:53] <SpeedEvil> russss: I have a stream that is less exciting.
[16:53] <russss> ah
[16:53] <SpeedEvil> russss: It's a live feed from my electricity meter cupboard.
[16:53] <russss> well, least exciting stream featuring a rocket.
[16:53] <russss> wow, that is unexciting
[16:54] <SpeedEvil> It feeds a bastard awk+gnuplot+... script to generate realtime power-use graphs.
[17:12] <Laurenceb_> can someone tell me how to do rounding in python?
[17:12] <Laurenceb_> or more accurately - i have a variably foo i need to round to the nearest bar
[17:12] <Laurenceb_> e.g. round 17 to the nearest step of 3
[17:19] <DanielRichman> round(17.5/3)*3 ?
[17:20] <DanielRichman> note that if you do integer / integer the result will be truncated (iirc)
[17:21] <DanielRichman> >>> 17/3
[17:21] <DanielRichman> 5
[17:21] <DanielRichman> >>> float(17)/3
[17:21] <DanielRichman> 5.666666666666667
[17:21] <DanielRichman> >>> 17/3.0
[17:21] <DanielRichman> 5.666666666666667
[17:22] <Laurenceb_> hmm actually... not quite sure what i need to do here
[17:23] <russss> from __future__ import division
[17:23] <russss> will make division return a float
[17:24] <Laurenceb_> http://pastebin.com/Pv9ZbeDM
[17:25] <Laurenceb_> start_freq is a frequency i know the pll can make
[17:25] <Laurenceb_> the pll can make any frequency an interger number of pll_step amounts away from that
[17:26] <Laurenceb_> i want to get as close as possible to dial_freq
[17:26] <Laurenceb_> is there a better wya than that?
[17:27] <Laurenceb_> oh it also needs if((dial_freq-start_freq)%pll_step<pll_step/2):
[17:28] <Laurenceb_> but % wont give -ives :(
[17:29] <Laurenceb_> frequency=(pll_step*round((dial_freq-start_freq)/pll_step+0.5))+start_freq
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[17:47] <MoALTz> is this python?
[17:47] <MoALTz> if you're using python 3.x then use //
[17:47] <MoALTz> for to integer division
[17:47] <MoALTz> ... and i totally miss the point of this conversation. sorry.
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[17:58] <russss> spacex webcast is buffering to hell
[17:58] <russss> thankfully nasa tv is webcasting the actual launch
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[18:12] <russss> UAV video of NYC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9cSxEqKQ78
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[18:20] <DagoRed> russss: I like
[18:20] <russss> pretty sharp flying skills
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[18:35] <Laurenceb_> stringarg=str(frequency)+'\n'
[18:36] <Laurenceb_> why is that a syntax error in python?
[18:37] <Laurenceb_> oh nvm
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[20:31] <Laurenceb_> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:chipcon_cc1020_software_define_radio
[20:31] <Laurenceb_> ^ got it retuning properly now - just needs active ant support now really
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[20:35] <DagoRed> nice Laurenceb
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[20:56] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[22:02] <Laurenceb_> 70cm band is dead :(
[22:03] <Laurenceb_> guess thats what we want for hab
[22:03] <Laurenceb_> nothing interesting across the entire band
[22:04] <Laurenceb_> http://www.antetec.com/news/2010/02/01-377.html <- interesting
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[22:12] <eroomde> Laurenceb_: LoS is a blessing, right?
[22:12] <Laurenceb_> yes
[22:13] <Laurenceb_> but i was reading about signal attenuation in urban environments
[22:13] <Laurenceb_> it seemed to suggest the CUED rooftop site might see a ~5dB loss at low elevations over central cam
[22:14] <eroomde> i can well beleive that
[22:14] <Laurenceb_> due to scattering off buildings - youd apparently see better signal in a field
[22:14] <eroomde> when we did the ISS contact with parkside school we had really bad attenuation (lower than expected) at low elevation
[22:15] <eroomde> didn't aquire a reliable link until about 20 degrees elevation which is very high comparesd to usual, apparently
[22:17] <Laurenceb_> hopefully if the coutry unfreezes ill be able to get a active ant yagi ready for the next launch
[22:17] <Laurenceb_> *country
[22:17] <eroomde> active in the electrical sense?
[22:17] <Laurenceb_> yes, inbuilt lna with 3.3v down the coax
[22:18] <Laurenceb_> 25 free samples from RFMD, I was very impressed
[22:30] <Laurenceb_> http://gb.mouser.com/ProductDetail/STMicroelectronics/L3G4200D/ <-nice, if they ever get it in stock
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[23:08] <DagoRed> Laurenceb_: We use the 70cm band for our stuff because it's virtually untouched. Our back up stuff uses the national APRS frequency and beacons at much lower intervals to keep from pissing a lot people off.
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[23:22] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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