highaltitude.log.20101202

[00:05] <Laurenceb_> if theyve found a "shadow biosphere" thatll be massive news
[00:05] <Laurenceb_> bbl
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[05:28] <shenki> juxta: ping
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[05:58] <juxta> hey shenki
[06:03] <shenki> juxta: hows things?
[06:04] <juxta> exhuasted!
[06:04] <shenki> naw :( what you been upto?
[06:04] <juxta> gardening today
[06:04] <shenki> sounds relaxing
[06:05] <juxta> it's a bit warm in the sun today
[06:05] <juxta> not having much luck - yesterday i was on the roof in the pouring rain, today it
[06:05] <shenki> true. crazy weather, was pouring on me yesterday
[06:05] <juxta> it's hot!
[06:05] <shenki> yeah, it can't make up it's mind
[06:06] <shenki> so Darkside and i are going to give a talk about horus at linux.conf.au in jan
[06:06] <juxta> yeah, he mentioned - awesome :)
[06:06] <shenki> did you get a chance to read the email i sent today?
[06:07] <juxta> hadn't looket yet, but now i see it
[06:07] <shenki> ok. it's a little long. would you prefer a summary, or do you have time to read it now?
[06:08] <juxta> just read it - awesome :)
[06:08] <shenki> cool. thats the reaction i was hoping for :)
[06:09] <juxta> hehe
[06:09] <shenki> so that thread had progressed today, and the guys are keen to get their hands on the NUT schematics. how do you feel about putting them online?
[06:09] <shenki> s/had/has/
[06:09] <juxta> yep, I'm happy to do that
[06:09] <juxta> will you be online tonight?
[06:09] <shenki> cool
[06:10] <shenki> ive got basketball at 6
[06:10] <shenki> but i'll be on apart from that hour or so
[06:10] <juxta> okay great
[06:10] <juxta> lets discuss it further then
[06:10] <shenki> sweet
[06:10] <juxta> i need to go buy some taps
[06:10] <juxta> and finish the irrigation
[06:10] <juxta> woohoo
[06:10] <shenki> :) enjoy
[06:11] <juxta> i burried 35m of 7 core cable today under bricks and gardenbeds
[06:11] <juxta> i really hope it doesnt degrade in the ground and make me rip everything back out again
[06:12] <shenki> !
[06:12] <shenki> what is the cabling for?
[06:12] <juxta> irrigation solenoid valves
[06:12] <shenki> okay. it's just plastic coated?
[06:12] <juxta> yeah
[06:12] <juxta> they sell it as garden safe
[06:13] <juxta> as in safe to be burried directly in the ground
[06:13] <juxta> hopefully that's actually the case and it doesnt get all messed up
[06:14] <shenki> yeah. should be okay, as long as there's no cracks in it.
[06:14] <shenki> does the current board you use have a SD header on it?
[06:15] <juxta> yes, but it's a bad idea
[06:15] <shenki> oh?
[06:15] <juxta> im going to move the SD back onto the board
[06:15] <shenki> oh, so it has a header that attaches to an external SD slot?
[06:15] <shenki> but you're going back to slot on the board
[06:16] <juxta> with the sd card on a breakout and a longish ribbon wire back to the main board, things go bad - RF gets into the cable
[06:16] <shenki> yep
[06:16] <juxta> i've gotta run for now so I can finish this before it gets dark, but I'll catchya tonight and give you the full story then ;)
[06:17] <shenki> okay, sounds good
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[10:27] <jonsowman> yo KingJ
[10:27] <KingJ> Hey
[10:27] <jonsowman> snow in soton?
[10:27] <KingJ> I'm not at soton, try Bath ;
[10:28] <jonsowman> oh yes... hmm wonder why I thought you were at soton
[10:28] <jonsowman> anyway
[10:28] <jonsowman> snow in bath?
[10:28] <KingJ> Indeed. Just as the previous fall from last week had melted we got a fresh fall overnight
[10:28] <jonsowman> :)
[10:29] <KingJ> What about you?
[10:29] <jonsowman> snowing a tiny bit in cam
[10:29] <jonsowman> ground is still white from when it snowed a couple of days ago
[10:29] <jonsowman> havent had much since then though
[10:29] <Randomskk> also brrrrr
[10:29] <jonsowman> that too
[10:30] <KingJ> Temperatures here have not gone above freezing at all this week
[10:30] <jonsowman> hehe
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[12:48] <fsphil> woo, the caa are on fire - notam received earlier than expected :)
[12:51] <jonsowman> good lord
[12:51] <jonsowman> don't think that's ever happened before
[12:51] <jonsowman> :o
[12:52] <Randomskk> how much did you put in with the application? >.>
[12:53] <fsphil> haha
[12:54] <fsphil> I guess with all the snow and flight delays, he had some spare time
[12:58] <fsphil> lets hope BOC and the weather behave themselves this time
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[13:00] <jonsowman> when are you launching fsphil ?
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[13:01] <fsphil> either 11/12th weekend, or the next
[13:01] <jonsowman> cool :D
[13:03] <fsphil> looking forward to it :) most of the work is done now
[13:04] <fsphil> and I'll try to get the helium this weekend, instead of leaving it to the last minute like last time
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[13:46] <SpeedEvil> Interesting.
[13:46] <SpeedEvil> I'm expecting power cuts.
[13:46] <SpeedEvil> So I've turned my freezer onto 'boost' to increase autonomy
[13:46] <SpeedEvil> It's down at under -41C
[13:47] <SpeedEvil> and dropping
[13:47] <fsphil> eek
[13:47] <Randomskk> that's very cold
[13:47] <SpeedEvil> yes
[13:47] <russss> let me know when it starts freezing CO2
[13:47] <Randomskk> :P
[13:47] <SpeedEvil> http://www.appliancesonline.co.uk/product/RCNAA53P-Hotpoint-Chest-Freezer-White-14752.aspx
[13:52] <Laurenceb_> thats interesting
[13:53] <Laurenceb_> i only managed to get to -30 with a peltier
[13:53] <Laurenceb_> theoretically you can practically get to -100C with stacked peltiers
[13:53] <Laurenceb_> but you need a decent power suppl
[13:54] <russss> s/decent/insane/
[13:54] <Randomskk> also an insane heatsink
[13:55] <russss> I've given up on the peltier idea. I'm thinking about trying to build a sterling engine capable of chilling down that low
[13:56] <russss> because apparently that's how small laboratory cryocoolers work.
[13:56] <russss> also stirling engines are awesome
[13:56] <SpeedEvil> -35C to -78 isn't that scary
[13:56] <SpeedEvil> with peltier
[13:56] <russss> could do a stirling/peltier combo
[13:57] <russss> mind you, if you can get to -40 with a domestic freezer then that's a fair way there
[13:58] <russss> dunno what the wattage of the refrigeration system in a freezer is though
[13:58] <SpeedEvil> 80w
[13:58] <russss> that's surprisingly low
[13:58] <SpeedEvil> yes.
[13:59] <Randomskk> I think they tend to be a good deal more efficient than peltiers though
[13:59] <SpeedEvil> I bought it specifically for the low power use.
[13:59] <russss> how many joules do you need to make one litre of liquid air, I wonder (but I'm too lazy to do the maths)
[14:01] <Randomskk> definitely too lazy to do it for air. just nitrogen out of air would be easier
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[14:01] <russss> you can't easily just take nitrogen out of air though
[14:02] <russss> because it magically changes into LO2 as it warms up
[14:02] <Randomskk> indeed. it's slightly awkward maths
[14:02] <russss> condenses the O2 out of the air as the N2 evaporates
[14:03] <russss> apparently you can get filters to get only N2 from compressed air
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[14:37] <Laurenceb_> you trying to do liquid oxygen, or nitrogen?
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[15:07] <Laurenceb_> http://www.reghardware.com/2010/12/02/barbie_computer_engineer_doll/
[15:07] <Laurenceb_> ^ lool
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[15:21] <eroomde> greetings stilldave
[15:22] <eroomde> are you in london?
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[19:01] <Laurenceb_> major disappointment for some coming on nasa tv
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[19:08] <DagoRed> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nasa-tv-hd#utm_campaign=flive&utm_source=1&utm_medium=technology-science
[19:08] <DagoRed> Laurenceb: What do you mean?
[19:08] <Laurenceb_> lots of idiots waying theyd found life on titan etc
[19:09] <DagoRed> How is that lame?
[19:44] <Laurenceb_> nasa tv actually works
[19:45] <Laurenceb_> why dodnt other people ditch flash
[19:55] <SpeedEvil> hmm
[19:56] <SpeedEvil> IIRC As is a bit more common than P?
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[19:56] <Laurenceb_> so shes ironlisa
[19:57] <Laurenceb_> lol
[19:57] <SpeedEvil> Which raises the carrying capacity of the solar system, before you need to go to extreme measures, lie mining the gas giants
[19:57] <SpeedEvil> like
[19:57] <Laurenceb_> yes, shes like so ironlisa
[19:57] <Laurenceb_> oh my goood
[19:57] <Laurenceb_> http://www.ironlisa.com/
[19:57] <SpeedEvil> Can't watch - too slow
[19:58] <Laurenceb_> http://www.ironlisa.com/music/ lol
[19:59] <SpeedEvil> Lot more time for people that do constructive shit - even badly - than people that do nothing, and think only of the TV show of the week.
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[20:00] <Laurenceb_> press conference finito
[20:01] <Laurenceb_> tl;dr - dna based on arsenic
[20:02] <SpeedEvil> How the fuck do you evolve DNA based on arsenic though.
[20:02] <SpeedEvil> From one based on P
[20:03] <Laurenceb_> creationism
[20:03] <Laurenceb_> well - they havent sequaenced the dna - just mass spectrometer on cultures of it
[20:04] <Laurenceb_> so they arent sure atm, but they think its based on dna and evolved from regular bugs
[20:04] <Laurenceb_> aiui
[20:06] <SpeedEvil> Yeah - it's just one of those wacky jumps.
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[20:51] <Laurenceb_> http://wrgpmusic.no-ip.org/cheese/Science-2007-Perlo-1110-2.pdf
[20:51] <Laurenceb_> interesting
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[21:21] <Laurenceb_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuHRCnpcsDQ&feature=player_embedded#!
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[21:33] <fsphil> smooth
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[21:40] <Laurenceb_> the algorithm is really lame
[21:40] <Laurenceb_> but its seems to work fairly decently
[21:40] <Laurenceb_> id be interested to see how it handles prolonged heavy accel
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[23:13] <jcoxon> evening all
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[23:16] <LazyLeopard> evening jcoxon
[23:18] Action: LazyLeopard made a somewhat crazy day-trip to Cambridge yesterday to take the Intermediate exam.
[23:18] <jcoxon> hehe - sucess?
[23:20] <LazyLeopard> Yep, and rumour has it that jonsowman was also successful this evening.
[23:20] <jcoxon> great
[23:20] <jcoxon> i like my foundation licence callsign
[23:21] <jonsowman> indeed :)
[23:21] <LazyLeopard> Mine too.
[23:21] <LazyLeopard> Congratulations ;)
[23:21] <jonsowman> I didn't know it was you who took the exam in cam yesterday :)
[23:21] <jonsowman> you too :)
[23:22] <LazyLeopard> Ah. The trouble with random nicknames, I guess... ;)
[23:22] <LazyLeopard> There were a couple of actual students taking the exam yesterday, too.
[23:23] <LazyLeopard> They also passed.
[23:24] <LazyLeopard> The Orpington-London Bridge legs of my day-trip were... interesting...
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[23:40] <LazyLeopard> Time for sleep... G'night.
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[23:41] <jonsowman> night LazyLeopard
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