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[11:54] <Laurenceb_> so much snow
[11:57] <LazyLeopard> Aye. Time to consider travel options... Car? Not going anywhere, as there's a foot or more of snow in the way. Trains? Well, the local station was number one black spot for stranded trains last night.
[11:58] <Laurenceb_> over 30cm here
[12:00] <LazyLeopard> Right... Out into the snow... I may be some time...
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[12:01] <Darkside> mm snow
[12:01] <Darkside> we don't get that here
[12:01] <Darkside> well, only *extremely* rarely, like once every few years, and only on the top of the mountain ranges around here
[12:02] <Darkside> not on the plains
[12:10] <Laurenceb_> austrailia?
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[12:11] <Darkside> yup
[12:12] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: WTF
[12:12] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: also >30cm here
[12:12] <SpeedEvil> and that's last night
[12:12] <SpeedEvil> ~50 total (lying)
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[12:13] <SpeedEvil> Happy happy joy joy - I get to go out and play with it. Or do I mean fuck - I have to clear large amounts.
[12:13] <SpeedEvil> Actually - yes - that
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[12:18] <Laurenceb_> cant get into work
[12:19] <Laurenceb_> all the roads round here have completely snowed over
[12:19] <SpeedEvil> A wheee - I have an excuse type of event?
[12:20] <SpeedEvil> Part of me just wants to say fuckit and find a sledge. But I've got too much clearing to do, and stuff will collapse if I don't
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[13:45] <fsphil> if it keeps snowing I'll be sleeping in the office tonight :p
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[15:14] <DagoRed> http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/87486/20101201/airforce-x-37b-orbital-test-vehicle-boeing-phantom-works-space-shuttle-spaceplane-vandenberg-nasa-do.htm
[15:17] <fsphil> try saying that when your drunk
[15:20] <fsphil> I can't help but think nasa should be doing this flight, not the military
[15:25] <DagoRed> I don't think it really matters in either case.
[15:25] <DagoRed> It's US funding and it seems like it'll trickle back to consumer market anyway.
[15:26] <DagoRed> If it looks better on the budget sheet, I don't give a damn.
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[18:49] <jcoxon> evening all
[18:49] <jonsowman> evening jcoxon
[18:49] <jonsowman> how're things?
[18:49] <jcoxon> good thanks
[18:49] <jcoxon> enjoying work these days
[18:50] <jonsowman> that's always good
[18:50] <jcoxon> you?
[18:50] <jonsowman> yea good, last day of term today
[18:50] <jonsowman> finished for xmas now :)
[18:50] <jcoxon> cool
[18:50] <jcoxon> built a new atlas flight computer...
[18:51] <jonsowman> oh?
[18:51] <jcoxon> yeah just waiting for the new gps
[18:51] <jcoxon> then ready to roll
[18:51] <jonsowman> oh yes
[18:51] <jonsowman> good stuff
[18:51] <jonsowman> :)
[18:52] <jcoxon> also working on my super-pressure mission
[18:53] <jonsowman> oh yes, that sounds fun
[18:53] <jonsowman> :)
[18:53] <jcoxon> found a gsm module that is pretty tiny
[18:53] <jcoxon> siemens mc75
[18:53] <jcoxon> had it from another project
[18:53] <jcoxon> just can't seem to find hte pinout
[18:54] <eroomde> jcoxon: do you know if the ccBLAH can be turned off by the atmega on that radio modem board?
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[18:57] <jcoxon> eroomde, not sure
[18:57] <jcoxon> can have a look...
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[18:57] <eroomde> only if it's eay to find out. don't hunt
[18:58] <jcoxon> what you thinking?
[18:58] <eroomde> just if it can be switched into a power-save mode, so could be built as the main uC of a flight computer
[18:58] <jcoxon> there is a sleep mode it can put it into
[18:59] <jcoxon> and also a wake-on-radio option
[18:59] <eroomde> h'ok
[18:59] <eroomde> ta
[19:00] <jcoxon> wish it was 434
[19:00] <jcoxon> would be even cooler
[19:00] <eroomde> agreed
[19:00] <eroomde> that'd be perfect
[19:00] <jcoxon> we could ask them...
[19:00] <jcoxon> i'll ask them
[19:01] <eroomde> the cc11xx's aren't that nice though
[19:01] <eroomde> difficult to work with
[19:01] <eroomde> or at least, difficult to persuade them into narrowband rtty
[19:01] <jcoxon> yeah
[19:01] <jcoxon> oh well
[19:01] <jcoxon> i'm hunting for this pinout currently
[19:02] <eroomde> the gsm module?
[19:03] <jcoxon> Siemens MC75
[19:03] <jcoxon> http://datasheet.octopart.com/MC75-MODULE-Siemens-datasheet-612010.pdf
[19:04] <eroomde> diddy!
[19:04] <eroomde> this new sparkfun offering looked nice too
[19:04] <eroomde> http://www.sparkfun.com/products/10138
[19:04] <jcoxon> spatlas
[19:04] <jonsowman> "edge up your business"
[19:04] <jonsowman> paha
[19:04] <jcoxon> yeah i have the mc75 already
[19:06] <eroomde> right bbl
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[19:09] <jcoxon> yay found it
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[19:10] <jcoxon> going to need some hardcore soldering
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[19:14] <DagoRed> explosion?
[19:15] <jcoxon> hehe
[19:15] Action: jcoxon is reading the hardware specs - question is whats the minimum circuit
[19:16] <DagoRed> ahh, nice
[19:17] <jcoxon> from the looks of it i only need VCC, GND, IGT, TX and RX
[19:17] <DagoRed> what is it for?
[19:17] <jcoxon> GSM modem i have lying around
[19:18] <jcoxon> going to make a lightweight payload to test the idea that mylar party balloons can super-pressure
[19:18] <DagoRed> What country is for?
[19:18] <jcoxon> UK
[19:18] <DagoRed> ... are you sure that is legal?
[19:19] <jcoxon> oh it'll be for landing recovery
[19:19] <DagoRed> Because in the US cellphones and cellular modems are illegal...
[19:19] <DagoRed> oh, so once it's on the ground it turns on?
[19:19] <jcoxon> yeah
[19:19] <jcoxon> they'll be a radio onboard as well
[19:20] <DagoRed> That actuallly sounds like a lot of fun.
[19:20] <jcoxon> it'll float quite low
[19:21] <jcoxon> DagoRed, check out these: http://www.blogger.com/profile/11364013266810322105
[19:21] <jcoxon> its a previous project from the US
[19:21] <jcoxon> interesting stuff
[19:21] <SpeedEvil> mylar - weighted - may do superpressure
[19:21] <SpeedEvil> ?
[19:21] <DagoRed> what are they flying?
[19:22] <jcoxon> they flew a cellphone
[19:22] <jcoxon> this was a light while ago
[19:22] <jcoxon> little* not light
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[19:23] <jcoxon> DagoRed, it'll be an interesting challenge - to get so light
[19:23] <DagoRed> Yeah... are they using cellular?
[19:23] <jcoxon> just waiting on some better scales :-p
[19:23] <jcoxon> they did yeah
[19:23] <DagoRed> that's illegal
[19:23] <jcoxon> they aren't doing it now
[19:23] <DagoRed> People need to stop doing that!
[19:23] <jcoxon> they stopped
[19:24] <jcoxon> i'm not interested in their comms - i'm interested in their balloons !
[19:24] <DagoRed> Yeah.... we got a call in our lab or at least some flack came back to our lab because they thought we were using cellular.
[19:24] <DagoRed> Those balloons loo fun.
[19:25] <jcoxon> will keep you updated once i've got a payload made
[19:25] <jcoxon> depending on weights etc might use this: http://www.coolcomponents.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=609
[19:29] <jcoxon> bbiab food
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[20:08] <jcoxon> back
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[20:23] <fsphil> anything happening on the iceland front jcoxon?
[20:31] <jcoxon> hmmm i haven't pushed it forward for a while
[20:31] <jcoxon> think we should do another atlas flight here first
[20:31] <jonsowman> :)
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[21:43] <fsphil> crimping rg316 == aarggg!
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[22:47] <Laurenceb_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_flying_saucer
[22:47] <Laurenceb_> lmao
[22:50] <KingJ> I bet that wouldn't be delayed by snow...
[22:53] <Laurenceb_> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/12/01/apple_3d_patent/
[22:53] <Laurenceb_> how could that possibly work
[22:53] <Laurenceb_> havent they heard of diffraction
[22:54] <Laurenceb_> maybe if they used some funky RGB laser thingy with some clever diffraction grating based stuff ... but then you might as well go for full holographic
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[23:03] <SpeedEvil> It depends.
[23:04] <SpeedEvil> I think you can do some clever sort of adaptive optics stuff.
[23:04] <SpeedEvil> IT's a bit redolent of my idea that I've mentioned in here before for virtual ceilings.
[23:09] <Laurenceb_> for that idea to work you effectively need to square the number of pixels
[23:09] <Laurenceb_> you need the equivalent of an entire screen focussed on each dimple
[23:09] <Laurenceb_> not going to work due to diffraction limits
[23:10] <Laurenceb_> might just work for one viewer, but polarization would surely be easier for that
[23:10] <SpeedEvil> yes
[23:11] <SpeedEvil> Umm
[23:11] <SpeedEvil> I'm not so sure diffraction kills it
[23:12] <SpeedEvil> More surface brightness and optical reality
[23:12] <SpeedEvil> And you don't quite
[23:12] <SpeedEvil> The individual 'bobbles' only need to have a sharp enough field of view to pick out eyes
[23:13] <Laurenceb_> yeah, for one observer very close tto the screen it might work ok
[23:13] <Laurenceb_> for multiple observers a fair way away youll never be able to focus onto each eye
[23:13] <SpeedEvil> So at 2m, say, that's 5cm or so, or 1/40th radian
[23:14] <SpeedEvil> Minimum size of the emitter optic of the order of 100 wavelengths
[23:14] <SpeedEvil> Being able to be selectively _very_ bright is the key.
[23:14] <SpeedEvil> Also.
[23:15] <SpeedEvil> It's an energy-saving TV
[23:15] <SpeedEvil> As you don't beam the TV everywhere, only to where there is a viewer
[23:15] <SpeedEvil> So in a dark room, it looks like everyones wearing goggles.
[23:15] <SpeedEvil> Which'd be a bit wierd.
[23:17] <SpeedEvil> On balance, I think we should set fire to all patent attorneys.
[23:17] <SpeedEvil> Or set a quota for patents a year to approve.
[23:17] <SpeedEvil> Perhaps 1000.
[23:22] <Laurenceb_> bbl
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[23:32] Action: Tvilling wants to set the whole patent sytem on fire.
[23:32] <fsphil> that's probably patented
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[23:34] <Laurenceb_> ok after looking at the numbers... what the hell are apple thinking
[23:34] <Laurenceb_> plain wont work
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[23:40] <Laurenceb_> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1334628/Astrobiology-findings-Alien-bacteria-lives-arsenic-Californian-lake-opens-search-life-planets.html
[23:41] <Laurenceb_> not sure if its as "trivial" as that - supposidley the aim of the research was to find a separate evolutionary tree
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