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[10:31] <Laurenceb> hi
[10:36] <GW8RAK> Morning Laurenceb
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[16:12] <fsphil> anyone mind if I put some test data on the tracker?
[16:12] <jonsowman> go for it
[16:12] <jonsowman> I can delete it later when you're done
[16:12] <fsphil> grand, thansk
[16:13] <fsphil> sentence rejected?
[16:13] <fsphil> oh bet its' the time
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[17:18] <NigeyS> i cant feel me dam toes!!!!!!!
[17:20] Action: SpeedEvil was wondering if he was having a stroke earlier.
[17:21] <SpeedEvil> Then I realised that the lack of feeling and tingling in my fingers may have been related to shoveling snow with my hands.
[17:23] <Gnea> shoveling ought to be done with a shovel
[17:23] <fsphil> yea, someone should invent that
[17:23] <NigeyS> lol SpeedEvil
[17:24] Action: NigeyS sends SpeedEvil a shovel
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[17:24] <SpeedEvil> Yeah - I was cleaning show from off my polytunnel.
[17:24] <SpeedEvil> So a shovel might have been a really bad idea.
[17:24] <NigeyS> hairdryer !
[17:28] <natrium42> what snow? :/
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[17:31] <natrium42> hi Jay-C
[17:31] <jcoxon> evening
[17:31] <NigeyS> evening James
[17:32] <SpeedEvil> Evening!
[17:33] <NigeyS> hm what to upgrade my phone to, Android or winP7 .. :/
[17:33] <natrium42> iphone 4
[17:33] <NigeyS> hah wouldnt touch an ilemon 4 with a 20ft barge pole
[17:35] Action: SpeedEvil is happy with his n900
[17:35] Action: jcoxon is still waiting for his new gps module...
[17:43] <SpeedEvil> dmesg
[17:43] <SpeedEvil> argh
[17:44] <natrium42> :)
[17:48] <jcoxon> bbl
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[18:02] <fsphil> I'd get the n900 but I know the instant I do, nokia will either scrap it or upgrade it
[18:07] <SpeedEvil> Yeah - well - it's worked for me. I would hope that it does come with a nice upgrade path
[18:08] <SpeedEvil> Damn, I hate weird migranes.
[18:08] <SpeedEvil> Sometimes I get aphasia.
[18:08] <SpeedEvil> Scary.
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[18:41] <fsphil> I guess I've a few bugs: http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[18:45] <DanielRichman> flight simulation?
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[18:45] <Laurenceb_> hi
[18:50] <SpeedEvil> hi
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[18:51] Action: Laurenceb_ has ordered yagi
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[18:52] <Laurenceb_> just need to get the lna on it and wait for another launch
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[18:53] <Laurenceb_> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/29/wikileaks_shocker/ <- lol
[18:55] <fsphil> DanielRichman, yep - fake gps data
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[20:03] <jcoxon> evening all
[20:04] <jcoxon> anyone got a good ratio of resistors for 425hz shift on 3.3v?
[20:04] <NigeyS> 2k2, 22k, 2k2
[20:05] <NigeyS> worked on mine last night
[20:05] <jcoxon> you using 2 pins or 1 pin?
[20:06] <NigeyS> 2
[20:06] <NigeyS> http://www.nigey.co.uk/IMAG0407.jpg
[20:06] <jcoxon> hehe so 22k on one and then 22k + 2k2 + 2k2
[20:06] <jcoxon> based on http://www.pegasushabproject.org.uk/wiki/doku.php/ideas:notes i assume
[20:06] <NigeyS> yups, it was shooting upto as far as 620 but mysteriously settled back down, so test a bit
[20:07] <NigeyS> spot on :) lol
[20:07] <jcoxon> that for me gives 350
[20:07] <NigeyS> i only get 350 if i skip the last 2k2
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[20:30] <Upu> fgwert
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[22:22] <DagoRed> SWEET!!! NASA just called our lab about doing a flight with them.
[22:22] <fsphil> congrats :)
[22:22] <DagoRed> Yup.
[22:22] <DagoRed> Crap... now we can't be lazy anymore...
[22:22] <NigeyS> lol
[22:23] <fsphil> remember to be clear with units of measurements :)
[22:24] <DagoRed> We crack that joke all the time.
[22:30] <LazyLeopard> Silly thing with that joke is how little basis in fact it actually has... ;)
[22:31] <fsphil> few jokes are :)
[22:32] <LazyLeopard> Standard level of scientific journalism, too, unfortunately...
[22:33] <LazyLeopard> ...which often seems to go something like "We can't be wotsitsed to explain the real problem, so we'll pick on something vaguely plausible and make a joke of it." ...
[22:36] <LazyLeopard> The other half of the silly thing in that particular case is that a genuine part of the problem is also quite funny, in a sad sort of way: Asymmetric spacecraft don't fly straight. ;)
[22:38] <fsphil> anyone know what could cause the ntx2 not to have a steady tone when it should?
[22:40] <SpeedEvil> It's actually right
[22:40] <SpeedEvil> it's just it was a torque measurement, not a force
[22:40] <SpeedEvil> in the wrong units
[22:40] <SpeedEvil> as I understand it
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[22:56] <LazyLeopard> It was more that, in the "faster cheaper better" scheme there wasn't sufficient continuity between design, fabrication and flight control. The significance of the asymmetry was understood by the designers but didn't get communicated to the flight controllers, so they didn't allow for it.
[22:57] <LazyLeopard> ...when the spacecraft experienced slightly un-expected solar wind.
[22:58] <LazyLeopard> (...if my memory of the IEE report I read many years ago isn't completely flakey... I do remember it saying specifically that units of measurement were not to blame.)
[23:00] <SpeedEvil> yes, I know.
[23:00] <SpeedEvil> sort-of
[23:00] <SpeedEvil> I read the report at one time too
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[23:37] <jcoxon> if a drop voltage is 1v at 100mA
[23:37] <jcoxon> and its a 3.3v regulator
[23:38] <jcoxon> at what input voltage will it stop working
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[23:38] <jcoxon> 4.3v?
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[23:38] <SpeedEvil> typically, yes
[23:39] <jonsowman> yes, you need to be at least 1V above the Vreg output
[23:39] <jonsowman> at 100mA
[23:39] <Randomskk> 1V is a /lot/ of drop
[23:39] <SpeedEvil> yes
[23:39] <SpeedEvil> For a LDO at least
[23:39] <jonsowman> under 1V, Vout will start to fall off
[23:39] <SpeedEvil> not so much for a 'classic' reg
[23:39] <jcoxon> yeah its just the rating for the current reg i use
[23:39] <jcoxon> a ld11173v3
[23:39] <jonsowman> fair enough
[23:39] <jonsowman> you can certainly getting regs with lower dropout
[23:39] <jcoxon> oh yes
[23:39] <jcoxon> i've seen
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[23:40] <jonsowman> but yes, for yours, you need at least 4V3
[23:40] <jcoxon> for my spatlas i've found something even better
[23:40] <Randomskk> farnell have 10mV drop 3v3 regs
[23:40] <Randomskk> which is crazy
[23:40] <jcoxon> http://www.coolcomponents.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=609
[23:40] <Darkside> Randomskk: you mean element13, rigt? :P
[23:40] <Darkside> element14
[23:40] <Darkside> :P
[23:40] <Randomskk> same thing ish
[23:41] <jcoxon> that'll do nicely for a lightweight flight computer
[23:41] <jcoxon> just needs a GPS and a ntx2 and we'll be ready for super-pressure flight
[23:41] <jonsowman> :D
[23:42] <Randomskk> that is very cool
[23:42] <stilldavid> so anyone want to grab a beer in London this Thursday or Friday?
[23:42] <natrium42> haha, "space-sensitive projects" gets a new meaning :P
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[23:43] <jcoxon> stilldavid, i could pop up thurs eve
[23:43] <jcoxon> where are you staying approximately?
[23:43] <stilldavid> I guess it's only a few blocks away from the Eye
[23:43] <stilldavid> near waterloo station
[23:44] <jcoxon> oh okay
[23:44] <Darkside> ahh the eye :P
[23:44] <jcoxon> i'd have to check tomorrow that i'm not on call
[23:44] <Darkside> we had a project at uni about that
[23:44] <stilldavid> I would love to get on public transit somewhere, too
[23:44] <Darkside> planning a project to transport the eye here for an event
[23:45] <Randomskk> stilldavid: man. normally I'd be very close to waterloo but still in uni until next week
[23:45] <stilldavid> ah, bummer :( I'm only in town a few days, which kills me, but am headed to Paris for the 8 days after
[23:45] <Randomskk> paris is nice
[23:45] <Randomskk> general holiday?
[23:46] <stilldavid> I thought nice was south? :P
[23:46] <Randomskk> well
[23:46] <Randomskk> depends what you like :P
[23:46] <stilldavid> yeah, friend is in London for a conference, so I'm meeting up then tacking on the Paris vacation
[23:47] <jcoxon> stilldavid, reaslistically i don't think i could make it
[23:47] <jcoxon> its too far for me in an evening - now that i don't live in london
[23:47] <stilldavid> no worries either, way.
[23:47] <jcoxon> shame as i used to live 4 stops on the tube from waterloo
[23:48] <stilldavid> kind of tough, especially when I'm only around a couple days...
[23:48] <jcoxon> stilldavid, see if edmoore is around
[23:49] <stilldavid> I'll try to catch him tomorrow
[23:49] <jcoxon> ping er
[23:49] <jcoxon> eroomde,
[23:50] <jcoxon> stilldavid, you could also pop into the london hackspace
[23:51] <jcoxon> i'm sure russss would be keen for that
[23:51] <stilldavid> someone mentioned that earlier, must have been russss
[23:51] <Randomskk> definitely worth a trip, it's not too far from waterloo. few stops on northern or jubilee then dlr
[23:51] <stilldavid> I have the location written down somewhere
[23:51] <stilldavid> cool, will definitely do that :)
[23:51] <Randomskk> #london-hack-space on this irc network
[23:51] <jcoxon> right sleep time
[23:51] <jcoxon> night
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