highaltitude.log.20101126

[00:02] <fsphil> even if ofcom where more open to issuing NOV's for specific flights
[00:09] <juxta_> fsphil, what's a NOV?
[00:09] <fsphil> notice of variation
[00:09] <fsphil> for doing stuff outside the normal amateur license
[00:09] <juxta_> ah right
[00:09] <juxta_> they dont allow it? :(
[00:10] Nick change: sumeet_ -> shipit
[00:10] <SpeedEvil> In principle, they could.
[00:10] <SpeedEvil> But in practice, probably not.
[00:10] <Randomskk> well you can buy a test license for like £50
[00:10] <SpeedEvil> ah
[00:10] <juxta_> what does that let you do?
[00:12] <juxta_> Darkside, did you get any photos on h11?
[00:12] <Randomskk> http://licensing.ofcom.org.uk/radiocommunication-licences/non-operational-tech-licence/
[00:12] <Randomskk> they appear to have renamed and restructured them since I last lookedb
[00:12] <Randomskk> but they are still £50
[00:13] <Randomskk> you'd presumably want a non operational temproary use licence
[00:13] <Randomskk> A Non Operational Temporary Use Licence allows an applicant to use spectrum on a
[00:13] <Randomskk> non-commercial, non permanent basis to trial a new system or radio concept or
[00:13] <Randomskk> demonstrate a new system or radio concept.
[00:13] <juxta_> ah
[00:13] <Darkside> juxta_: nope :(
[00:13] <Darkside> well
[00:13] <Randomskk> six months
[00:13] <juxta_> that sounds good
[00:13] <Darkside> 2 of it landed, but i think i sent them to you already
[00:13] <juxta_> yeah I got those - non of launch? :(
[00:13] <Darkside> the launch was video'd, by grant and me
[00:14] <Randomskk> £50 per station/apparatus, per location each month
[00:14] <Darkside> ask grant for some frames from his video
[00:14] <Randomskk> doesn't have to be CE compliant either
[00:14] <juxta_> Darkside, ok
[00:14] <Darkside> wait... did he video it?
[00:14] <NigeyS> anyone got a working test script for the ntx2 on the arduino i can use, this icarus one doesnt seem to be working properly :/
[00:14] <Darkside> http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/10989262
[00:15] <Darkside> crappy videio
[00:15] <Darkside> i dont see grant with a camera :(
[00:15] <juxta_> haha
[00:16] <juxta_> thats a bit of a slideshow hey
[00:16] <Darkside> yep
[00:16] <Darkside> 3g..
[00:16] <Darkside> next time i need to try and use grahams internet
[00:16] <juxta_> i think he only has something like 256k dsl
[00:16] <Darkside> aww
[00:17] <Darkside> maybe we can get grant to do something with a high bandwidth nextg connection ;)
[00:17] <fsphil> muhahaha
[00:18] Action: fsphil got his dsl upgraded today *g*
[00:18] <Darkside> juxta_: grant should be able to get one of those dual channel modems :)
[00:18] <Darkside> use one of those :D
[00:19] <juxta_> fsphil, what to?
[00:19] <fsphil> 35mbit
[00:19] <juxta_> Darkside, yeah - is bandwidth an issue when connected to the carpc's though?
[00:19] <juxta_> i've found i can pull 50-100kb/s at grahams
[00:25] <Darkside> juxta_: its more upstream bandwidth
[00:26] <Darkside> for video streaming anyway
[00:26] <Darkside> also downstream when re-loading spacenear.us
[00:26] <Darkside> Tony had great fun trying to get that to work
[00:26] <fsphil> what where you streaming via the last few launches?
[00:26] <Darkside> took him 15 min to load it via my 3g connection
[00:26] <Darkside> fsphil: ustream.tv
[00:27] <Darkside> http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/10868395
[00:27] <fsphil> what kind of connection I mean .. mobile / wifi?
[00:27] <Darkside> 3g
[00:27] <Darkside> in my case i was limited to 384kbps upstream
[00:27] <Darkside> since my modem doesnt support HSUPA
[00:27] <fsphil> impressive though! I thought it would have been more
[00:28] <Darkside> nah, not with WCDMA
[00:28] <Darkside> anyway, back in a bit
[00:28] <Darkside> gotta be in at uni for 12... need to get ready
[00:33] <juxta_> 35mbit is nice and quick for DSL fsphil :)
[00:33] <fsphil> yea I'm well chuffed :)
[00:34] <fsphil> only a few years ago we where on 2mbit
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[00:39] <Lunar_Lander> good night
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[00:48] <juxta_> that's a healthy increase then :)
[00:48] Action: SpeedEvil sighs.
[00:49] <SpeedEvil> My connection falls over most nights.
[00:49] <NigeyS> kick it
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[01:54] <NigeyS> hm
[01:54] <NigeyS> þçÿ¿¿ÿ¿þþ1•o5''!§¿Q!'7åo5''!§¿Q!'7åo
[01:55] <NigeyS> doesnt look like hello world to me :|
[01:57] <juxta_> what are you trying to do there NigeyS?
[01:57] <NigeyS> its the test script for my arduino & ntx2, fsphil sent me a screenshot of his fdigi settings, i replicated them, yet i dont get hello world text just that jibberish
[02:00] <juxta_> can you make an audio recording of what your radio is hearing?
[02:00] <NigeyS> http://www.nigey.co.uk/capture2.wav
[02:02] <juxta_> hmm
[02:02] <juxta_> do you have your code online somewhere?
[02:02] <NigeyS> shift is about 620ish
[02:02] <juxta_> yeah
[02:03] <NigeyS> http://pastebin.com/2Fjf58Ys
[02:03] <NigeyS> its modified from icarus
[02:03] <NigeyS> we had probs with the delays n stuff, hence the led calls
[02:04] <juxta_> okay - pin 134 is the led?
[02:04] <NigeyS> 13
[02:05] <juxta_> indeed
[02:05] <NigeyS> arduino mega has 1 built into that pin so just used that
[02:05] <juxta_> adjust your delay - do delay(19); delayMicroseconds(250);
[02:06] <NigeyS> oki
[02:07] <juxta_> oh, and put in a 200ms delay after each 'hello world'
[02:08] <juxta_> then once you've done that hit the Rv button in the bottom right of fldigi
[02:08] <NigeyS> oki 2 secs
[02:10] <NigeyS> all done, sounds different, still get jibberish in fdigi :| weird
[02:10] <juxta_> can you give me the recording?
[02:10] <juxta_> i had partial success decoding your inital recording but the timing seemed slightly off
[02:11] <NigeyS> sure
[02:11] <NigeyS> http://www.nigey.co.uk/capture3.wav
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[08:05] <eroomde> morning all
[08:05] <jonsowman> hi eroomde
[08:05] <eroomde> hi jonsowman
[08:06] <jonsowman> how are you? enjoying your holiday?
[08:06] <eroomde> yeah it'sw great
[08:06] <eroomde> klara has an exam today and her flatmate has an open-book home exam and there's a bit of a snow storm
[08:06] <eroomde> so a lazy morn for me
[08:07] <jonsowman> :D
[08:07] <jonsowman> sounds good
[08:07] <eroomde> but am cooking the 400kg of artic cod i caught and making them all fish and chips and mushy peas tonight
[08:07] <jonsowman> haha awesome
[08:08] <eroomde> I went fishing with a friend of the local mafia boss man who I accidently sat next to in a pub. He insisted I spend a day fishing (at no charge to you ed-from-london!)
[08:09] <jonsowman> :D
[08:09] <jonsowman> hehe
[08:10] <eroomde> just uploading a vi to youtube that i took when we were motoring out
[08:10] <jonsowman> oo
[08:11] <jonsowman> want to see
[08:11] <eroomde> mainly as evidence for the authorities when my body washed up as I still wasn't sure that this trip was what it seemed
[08:11] <jonsowman> haha
[08:13] <eroomde> jonsowman: still crap quality but: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTwDe7Srhws
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[08:14] <jonsowman> wow that looks fantastic
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[08:15] <eroomde> jonsowman: http://i.imgur.com/3rIh6.jpg you can see the plough in the background. Not my best photo of the lights themselves but i love the prominence of the plough - a happy accident!
[08:16] <jonsowman> that's a stunning picture
[08:16] <jonsowman> jealous
[08:16] <jonsowman> :)
[08:16] <eroomde> well there's plenty more!
[08:16] <eroomde> http://i.imgur.com/JidGY.jpg
[08:16] <eroomde> http://i.imgur.com/ZcFxs.jpg
[08:16] <eroomde> etc etc
[08:16] <jonsowman> very nice
[08:16] <eroomde> got 400 on my disc
[08:16] <jonsowman> :)
[08:20] <eroomde> stuff in cam all in order?
[08:21] <jonsowman> yep all good, last few days of term
[08:21] <jonsowman> got to do the ICP report and presentation this weekend but apart from that things are pretty much finished
[08:22] <eroomde> ICP?
[08:22] <jonsowman> integrated coursework
[08:22] <eroomde> oh yeah that
[08:22] <jonsowman> that earthquake resistant structures thing
[08:22] <eroomde> the earthquake thing?
[08:22] <jonsowman> yea
[08:22] <eroomde> i think I did eigenvector structural analysis
[08:23] <jonsowman> fair enough
[08:23] <jonsowman> we're just analysing the drive amp for frequecy response etc
[08:23] <eroomde> my last hurrah of interest in structural mechanics
[08:23] <jonsowman> haha
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[08:38] <jonsowman> better be off, see you eroomde
[08:38] <jonsowman> enjoy your holiday :)
[08:38] <eroomde> see you jonsowman
[08:38] <eroomde> willdo
[08:38] <eroomde> back tomorrow
[08:38] <eroomde> oh no not actually
[08:39] <eroomde> well w/e, see you!
[08:39] <jonsowman> yeah will catch you around soon I'm sure
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[09:52] <GW8RAK>
[09:53] <eroomde> agreed
[09:53] <GW8RAK> Wrong window
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[10:12] <Laurenceb> hi
[10:24] <GW8RAK> Morning Laurenceb. Was this the yagi you were looking at the other day? http://uk.rs-online.com/web/search/searchBrowseAction.html?method=getProduct&R=5324480
[10:24] <GW8RAK> The price seems to have gone up a lot if it was.
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[10:26] <Laurenceb> omg
[10:26] <Laurenceb> that is mental
[10:27] <Laurenceb> hang on - http://uk.rs-online.com/web/search/searchBrowseAction.html?method=getProduct&R=7033032
[10:28] <GW8RAK> That's a relief, I've just found that one as well. Didn't seem right somehow. If you are thinking of getting one, IIRC, let me know and we'll combine our orders for a lower price. If that is acceptable?
[10:28] <Laurenceb> heh
[10:30] <GW8RAK> I'm thinking that buying one is the quickest way of getting a vertically polarised yagi, although the gain of that one is not great.
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[10:36] <Laurenceb> it does look quite cheapish by the standard of what youd expect to pay elsewhere
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[10:38] <GW8RAK> I think it is the wideband nature of it. It would also be suitable for radio astronomy at around 410MHz.
[10:39] <GW8RAK> Adding on VAT and delivery, a single unit isn't much cheaper than a 10 ele from Moonraker.
[10:40] <Laurenceb> though delivery was free
[10:40] <Laurenceb> does moonraker include delivery and vat?
[10:42] <GW8RAK> Hadn't read that far. Moonraker is inclusive of VAT but carriage is a max of £7.99. How much is an extra 4dB worth?
[10:42] <GW8RAK> That is the big debate
[10:43] <Laurenceb> i see
[10:44] <Laurenceb> interesting, RS +vat comes to £43.5
[10:44] <Laurenceb> so you save £14.5
[10:44] <Laurenceb> for a loss of 4dB
[10:46] <GW8RAK> The RS one is £4.83 per dB but the Diamond one from Moonraker is £4.45 per dB. Or am I getting too analytical?
[10:47] <GW8RAK> But the Diamond one will need a horizontal standoff as shown in the picture, while the RS will attach directly to a vertical mast.
[10:49] <fsphil> what difference would not using the standoff have?
[10:50] <GW8RAK> The problem with vertical polarisation is that a mast support in the same plane as the elements has a detuning effect. I can't quantify it, but when I tried it, a 2m aerial with good performance horizontally, was crap when put vertically.
[10:51] <GW8RAK> If installing a vertically polarised yagi, I would always use a stand off.
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[10:52] <WillDuckworth> Hi all, postponing the launch tomorrow- not finished and not tested enough :( sorry everyone
[10:52] <Laurenceb> heh dBi£^-1
[10:53] <GW8RAK> I'd like a crossed 70cm yagi to go with the crossed 2m one I have and these would be mounted at 45 degrees. The difference in theoretical performance is only 3dB from vertical to 45 degrees, while a 90 degree difference is 20dB
[10:54] <GW8RAK> Bad news WillDuckworth, but it's better to sure than sorry.
[10:54] <fsphil> indeed
[10:54] <WillDuckworth> yeah - work has been tooooo busy!
[10:55] <Laurenceb> GW8RAK: what doy uo mean by a standoff?
[10:56] <Laurenceb> a support pole at 90 degrees to the yagi polarization?
[10:56] <jonsowman> WillDuckworth: want me to do an xml for you/
[10:56] <jonsowman> ?
[10:59] <WillDuckworth> jonsowman, the one you've done already looks ok - hopefully will give a bash over the weekend :)
[11:00] <jonsowman> okay no problems
[11:01] <jonsowman> I don't think all the fields are done though?
[11:01] <jonsowman> I'm pretty sure it won't work
[11:16] <WillDuckworth> cool, i'm also looking at having an 869 transmitter on there - would that require the same or a new xml file?
[11:18] <jonsowman> well if you're transmitting exactly the same data then it can use the same XML
[11:18] <jonsowman> listeners just tune their radio to 868 instead of 434
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[11:19] <WillDuckworth> excellent, will keep you posted :) thanks jon
[11:19] <jonsowman> no problems :)
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[11:45] <GW8RAK> Laurenceb - sorry to take so long to reply. The standoff is a horizontal pole running out from the vertical mast and allows the aerial to be vertically orientated without affecting the aerials performance.
[11:45] <Laurenceb> i see
[11:45] <GW8RAK> Have a look at the Moonraker site and Diamond 70cm aerial.
[11:45] <Laurenceb> a lot of the time ill be holding it by hand
[11:45] <Laurenceb> i see, thanks
[11:45] <GW8RAK> http://www.moonraker.eu/Amateur-Radio/Beam-Antennas/VHF-UHF-Yagi/Diamond-Yagi-Antenna/DIAMOND-A430S10R-70cm-10-ELEMENT-YAGI
[11:46] <GW8RAK> Am giving a talk on the balloon project tonight and as a demo, I've just had a hi vis fabric case for the payload knocked up. Looks almost professional
[11:46] <Laurenceb> i suspect (hope) that lprs took the mast effects into account
[11:46] <fsphil> ot rant: It never ceases to amaze me how windows can suddenly and inexplicably fail for no reason.
[11:47] Action: Laurenceb *generic use linux rant*
[11:47] <GW8RAK> lprs?
[11:47] <Laurenceb> make the RS ant
[11:47] Action: fsphil *I do at home but the PHB don't likes it -- likes to spend money*
[11:48] <GW8RAK> With that particular aerial, the short length allows the mounting point to be behind the reflector, thus it can fit a vertical mast without any problem.
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[11:49] <GW8RAK> I did have a 12 element 70cm with the same mounting, i.e. behind the reflector. It was a) very big and b) very heavy as it had to be very strong. Just too much engineering required to put it up.
[11:50] <Laurenceb> interesting
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[11:51] <Laurenceb> http://www.moonraker.eu/Amateur-Radio/Beam-Antennas/VHF-UHF-Yagi/Diamond-Yagi-Antenna/DIAMOND-A430S10R-70cm-10-ELEMENT-YAGI
[11:52] <Laurenceb> http://www.moonraker.eu/Amateur-Radio/Beam-Antennas/VHF-UHF-Yagi/Moonraker-Yagi-Antenna/YG13-70-70cm-13-ELEMENT-YAGI-ANTENNA
[11:52] <Laurenceb> what the difference
[11:52] <Laurenceb> on nvm its dBd
[11:52] <Laurenceb> so 15dBi
[11:53] <GW8RAK> dBd and dBi
[11:53] <Darkside> hmm
[11:53] <GW8RAK> dBi is 2.3 units higher
[11:55] <fsphil> mounting in the middle is very handy for motor driven mounts
[11:56] <Laurenceb> so thats nearly 15dBi - not at all bad
[11:56] <Darkside> hmm
[11:56] <Darkside> anyone here running a windows machine?
[11:56] <Laurenceb> rather long - wonder if it can be dismantled
[11:57] <GW8RAK> Or would one be better with a modest aerial, easy to turn, easy to transport etc and a simple 15dB preamp?
[11:57] <fsphil> Darkside: I am, sadly
[11:57] <Darkside> fsphil: can you try something for me
[11:57] <Darkside> http://www.moetronix.com/files/spectravueinstall.zip
[11:57] <Darkside> get and install that
[11:57] <fsphil> what is it
[11:57] <fsphil> ?
[11:57] <Darkside> then i'll give you an IP and port to try and connect to, in the SDR-IQ setup window
[11:57] <Darkside> its a SDR demodulator program
[11:57] <Laurenceb> GW8RAK: im going to put a LNA on the actual antenni
[11:58] <Laurenceb> - 25dB gain
[11:58] <Darkside> if all works, you should be able to have a tunr around the HF band in australia
[11:58] <fsphil> sweet
[11:58] <Darkside> it depends on net bandwidth tho
[11:58] <Darkside> i dont know if it will work over my upstream speed
[11:59] <fsphil> our speed in the office is about 2mbit down
[11:59] <Darkside> my ADSL2+ is 1Mbit up :P
[11:59] <Darkside> so yeah
[11:59] <Darkside> anywa, install it and se
[12:00] <GW8RAK> That's the best place for it. But thinking about the base aerial I have, a 2/70 colinear, it already has about 9dB (i or d) and it doesn't need rotating.
[12:00] <GW8RAK> For balloon tracking from home, that and a preamp is all I need I think.
[12:03] <fsphil> Darkside: installed
[12:04] <Darkside> ok
[12:04] <Darkside> run spectravue
[12:04] <Darkside> when its loaded, go to SDR-IQ setup at the top
[12:04] <Darkside> set the filter bandwidth to 50KHz
[12:04] <Darkside> then enter 203.122.195.83 in the IP field, and 5000 as the port
[12:04] <Darkside> and click find
[12:05] <fsphil> "SDR device not found"
[12:06] <Darkside> damn
[12:06] <Darkside> ok guess its not working with so much lag
[12:06] <fsphil> port 5000 or 50000?
[12:07] <Darkside> 5000
[12:08] <fsphil> nope, no luck
[12:09] <Darkside> damn, oh wel
[12:09] <fsphil> can it work over nat?
[12:09] <Darkside> yeah i forwarded the ports
[12:11] <Darkside> ok its unplugged now
[12:11] <fsphil> could still be something funky with our network here
[12:12] <fsphil> although everything seems to be working
[12:13] <fsphil> is it just tcp ports, or is any udp involved?
[12:14] <Darkside> just tcp
[12:14] <Darkside> and ive turned it off now anyway
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[14:20] <m1x10> Hallo !
[14:22] Action: m1x10 sew for the first time the HAWK missisles in front of him
[14:25] <SpeedEvil> :)
[14:31] <Laurenceb> dont start WW3 now
[14:31] <Laurenceb> are you in an air defence usit or something then?
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[14:33] <m1x10> yes Laurenceb, its air defence unit
[14:33] <m1x10> and Laurenceb Iam not a warguy. Im absolutely the opposite.
[14:34] <m1x10> I just like to share my life's experiences
[14:34] <Laurenceb> heh im sure XD
[14:34] <Laurenceb> yeah - military service
[14:34] <m1x10> and greece does not have ministry of war. just ministry of defence.
[14:35] <Laurenceb> heh everywhere says that
[14:35] <m1x10> USA has ministry of war for example
[14:36] <m1x10> Laurenceb, Im a guy who loves every person. Im the guy who likes do dance this: Parov Stelar - Booty Swin.mp3
[14:36] <m1x10> Parov Stelar - Booty Swing.mp3
[14:36] <m1x10> go to youtube and listen to it
[14:36] <Laurenceb> ok lol
[14:36] <m1x10> then u understand what kind of perdon Im
[14:38] <m1x10> lol
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[14:39] <m1x10> "Dear Mr Kostas
[14:39] <m1x10> The only other solution for sending your credit card details to us is if you post them to us."
[14:39] <m1x10> What do they mean post?
[14:39] <m1x10> Its radiometrix.com
[14:43] <m1x10> ping all
[14:45] <SpeedEvil> send it in an envelope
[14:47] <ms7821> a what?
[14:48] <m1x10> oh
[14:48] <m1x10> letter/
[14:48] <m1x10> ?
[14:48] <m1x10> Im gonna send it from their web site
[14:48] <m1x10> its not ssl
[14:49] <m1x10> so someone can see cleartext my cards details?
[14:49] <m1x10> SpeedEvil do u have fax?
[14:50] <SpeedEvil> No
[14:51] <SpeedEvil> Well - practically - the only people that can see a http exchange are the local network the company is on, and the local network you are on.
[14:51] <m1x10> yeah
[14:52] <m1x10> local net is ok
[14:52] <m1x10> ISP sucks with internet service, so I guess they suck at sniffing traffic
[14:52] <m1x10> what about email?
[14:52] <SpeedEvil> Email is similar.
[14:52] <SpeedEvil> Go and look at a recieved: header
[14:53] <SpeedEvil> only those machines, and the network connections between them have the ability to snoop you
[14:53] <Laurenceb> couldnt you encript an email?
[14:53] <m1x10> oh
[14:53] <m1x10> hmm
[14:53] <m1x10> gmail
[14:53] <Laurenceb> scan and encript
[14:53] <m1x10> let me see
[14:53] <m1x10> or I can send it as an image
[14:54] <Laurenceb> use an encription program
[14:54] <Laurenceb> to encript an image file
[14:54] <m1x10> yes but radiometrix can decrypt it?
[14:54] <Laurenceb> maybe someone here can - if you trust them
[14:54] <m1x10> I think a picture is a cool choice
[14:55] <Laurenceb> also im a nigerian prince
[14:55] <m1x10> I trust many here like SpeedEvil that why I asked him if he got a fax
[14:56] <m1x10> Laurenceb: what?
[14:56] <Laurenceb> nvm
[14:58] <m1x10> u r african?
[14:58] <m1x10> :P
[15:01] <m1x10> I send it as a png
[15:01] <m1x10> :p
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[15:04] <fsphil> brrr it's cold!
[15:05] <m1x10> :p
[15:05] <m1x10> how much?
[15:05] <fsphil> it's snowing :p
[15:05] <fsphil> so not much above zero
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[15:18] <Laurenceb> m1x10: nigerian princes are known to ask for your bank details
[15:18] <Laurenceb> online
[15:20] <m1x10> Laurenceb :p
[15:20] <m1x10> fsphil: great man!
[15:24] <Laurenceb> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VftSlRltidg
[15:24] <Laurenceb> ^ so epic
[15:26] <fsphil> grr, sox won't convert raw to wav
[15:26] <fsphil> keeps complaining that the data encoding was not specified - even though it was
[15:28] <fsphil> oooh, it was the bits per sample it wanted
[15:30] <Laurenceb> whats different between raw and wav?
[15:30] <fsphil> wav has headers that specify how the audio is stored
[15:31] <Laurenceb> ah fair enough
[15:31] <fsphil> raw doesn't -- but it's handy for dumping data from a simple program
[15:31] <Laurenceb> raw is just a binary turd
[15:31] <fsphil> basically
[15:32] <Laurenceb> heh
[15:35] <fsphil> oh wow, my rtty generator just made an Aphex Twin tune
[15:37] <Laurenceb> hah lol
[15:39] <fsphil> http://www.sanslogic.co.uk/files/rttymad.ogg
[15:39] <fsphil> add a few beats, it might just work
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[16:20] <fsphil> in rtty, the lsb is transmitted first yet?
[16:20] <fsphil> yea?
[16:47] <jonsowman> fsphil: yes (but don't quote Randomskk on it)
[16:47] <fsphil> yea -- that's what I have in the hadie payload, but for some reason it didn't work with the rtty wav writer
[16:48] <fsphil> actually seems to be a problem in fldigi - it's not syncing to the bytes properly
[16:49] <fsphil> if I press RV a few times, it works
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[17:13] <m1x10> Hi
[17:14] <m1x10> How many helium tanks do I need for a 1500kg balloon?
[17:14] <SpeedEvil> One large one.
[17:15] <m1x10> hmm
[17:15] <m1x10> ee
[17:15] <m1x10> give me a number
[17:15] <SpeedEvil> 1500Kg is quite a lot of helium.
[17:16] <m1x10> give me some number of quantity. I dont how you measure it.
[17:16] <m1x10> give me some number of quantity. I dont KNOW how you measure it.
[17:16] <SpeedEvil> About 1000m^3 of helium.
[17:16] <m1x10> oh thanks
[17:16] <m1x10> should write it down
[17:16] <SpeedEvil> We tend to use balloons around a thousandth of that.
[17:16] <SpeedEvil> It'll also be quite expensive of course.
[17:17] <m1x10> I found a guy who is speaker in a radio station in my city
[17:17] <m1x10> and he is willing to help me
[17:17] <fsphil> m1x10, do you mean 1.5kg balloon?
[17:17] <SpeedEvil> Around 100 thousand euro I guess.
[17:18] <m1x10> fsphil yes 1.5kg
[17:18] <m1x10> what did I said?
[17:18] <m1x10> 1500kg lol
[17:18] <m1x10> thats 1.5 tone
[17:18] <m1x10> omg
[17:18] <fsphil> lol
[17:18] <m1x10> so what the value for a 1.5kg ?
[17:19] <fsphil> I'd like to see one that big, fully inflated
[17:19] <m1x10> plz hurry im in a chat with that radio guy
[17:20] <m1x10> ping SpeedEvil !
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[17:23] <m1x10> omg someone help!
[17:28] <SpeedEvil> About 1m^3 of helium is needed
[17:29] <SpeedEvil> this will vary somewhat in cost, but around a hunred euro is probably of the right order of magnitude
[17:30] <m1x10> the ukhas table says 3.21 cu m
[17:35] <Randomskk> m1x10: use the calculator. it tells you exactly how much you'll want.
[17:35] <Randomskk> http://cuspaceflight.co.uk/calc
[17:36] <Randomskk> in litres, cubic metres and cubic feet
[17:37] <Randomskk> nom nom nom bourbon creams
[17:37] <Randomskk> I need to buy more of these. or less
[17:38] <jonsowman> s/less/fewer/
[17:38] Action: jonsowman runs away
[17:39] <Randomskk> yes
[17:39] <Randomskk> yes indeed
[17:39] <Randomskk> well if I can't buy less due to grammar I'll just have to buy more
[17:40] <jonsowman> well yes
[17:40] <jonsowman> absolutely
[17:41] <jonsowman> what a shame
[17:41] <jonsowman> :)
[17:42] <m1x10> ok thanks Randomskk
[17:42] <m1x10> I think I wont need more than 3 cubic meters
[17:56] <fsphil> ooh, Doug Wheelock is back on the earth. I wonder who'll operate the ISS radio now
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[18:25] <fsphil> image transfer at 1200 baud is nice!
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[18:49] <NigeyMoby> Evening
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[18:51] <NigeyMoby> jonsowman WWW.Nigey.co.UK/capture3.wav
[18:52] <NigeyMoby> Fsphil did you send this snow our way? :p
[18:53] <fsphil> muhahaa -- we only got our first proper fall today
[18:54] <fsphil> good fun :)
[18:55] <NigeyMoby> Snap and its already causing chaos lol
[18:56] <NigeyMoby> Btw tnx for the help last night, took a bit more work to get a decode here though :/
[18:57] <fsphil> np -- what was up?
[18:57] <NigeyMoby> Had to add a bit more of a delay
[19:00] <NigeyMoby> That capture3.wav is the new 1 if u want to try it.
[19:02] <m1x10> ffffff.......... Im totally board to go to camp again
[19:02] <m1x10> bored*
[19:02] <fsphil> bizarrely I can't decode that at all
[19:03] <NigeyMoby> Hmm
[19:03] <fsphil> m1x10, tell them you've got a flu -- can't go :)
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[19:03] <NigeyMoby> I got a nice hello world
[19:04] <fsphil> 50 baud, 8-bit, 1 stop bit?
[19:04] <fsphil> I can see a W and H appear, but the other characters are bad
[19:05] <NigeyMoby> Yup, juxta did say to increase it a bit more and try to find a midpoint to settle on
[19:05] <fsphil> yea
[19:05] <fsphil> I wonder if making the stop bit a little longer would help
[19:06] <NigeyMoby> Got the shift to fix to
[19:06] <fsphil> where it says: rtty_txbit (1); // Stop bit
[19:06] <NigeyMoby> Possibly, ill have a look after dinner
[19:06] <fsphil> repeat that line again
[19:07] <NigeyMoby> Okies
[19:07] <fsphil> mmm.. I'm tempted to have pizza
[19:08] <NigeyMoby> I got Indian cmin if they don't get stuck in the snow lol
[19:09] <NigeyMoby> Bharat
[19:09] <NigeyMoby> Oops
[19:09] <NigeyMoby> Bbs
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[19:12] <m1x10> fsphil: they will put me in the military hospital
[19:12] <m1x10> :(
[19:12] <fsphil> hmpf
[19:12] <fsphil> they've thought of everything
[19:12] <m1x10> yeah the bastards :p
[19:13] <LsquaredB> hi
[19:15] <m1x10> hi
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[19:47] <m1x10> who is doing the Icarus missions?
[19:48] <m1x10> I found a pic for him. I didnt think its that thing exists in GR. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_HtCBWy2p5_U/S7Op5ShiRdI/AAAAAAAABQY/NS2TVYtEzw0/s1600/%CE%94%CE%91%CE%99%CE%94%CE%91%CE%9B%CE%9F%CE%A3-%CE%99%CE%9A%CE%91%CE%A1%CE%9F%CE%A3.jpg
[19:48] <m1x10> its dedalus and icarus
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[20:10] <NigeyS> fsphil, www.nigey.co.uk/capture.wav that's 2 stop bits and 630 drift
[20:12] <jonsowman> NigeyS: how's it going
[20:13] <NigeyS> slightly confusing tbh
[20:13] <NigeyS> some trouble decoding the transmission, me and juxta can decode, but phil cant, lol
[20:13] <NigeyS> if i reverse the edit i did for delay, phil can .. so a iccle bit confuddled
[20:15] <NigeyS> just tried adding an extra stop bit, still decodable for me, but not sure about phil, he's afk i think
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[20:33] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[20:34] <NigeyS> lol
[20:34] <NigeyS> ello Lunar_Lander
[20:34] <Lunar_Lander> how's life?
[20:34] <NigeyS> not to bad, you ?
[20:35] <Lunar_Lander> yeah I'm OK too :)
[20:42] <Lunar_Lander> today I ordered a galileoscope
[20:43] <NigeyS> oo nicey, theyre pretty good ya know
[20:44] <Lunar_Lander> you have one?
[20:44] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[20:44] <NigeyS> noo, i have a 8inch celestron
[20:44] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[20:44] <NigeyS> but for their size, the galileoscopes are bloody good !
[20:44] <Lunar_Lander> yeah!
[20:44] <Lunar_Lander> I saw the demo videos on youtube
[20:47] <Lunar_Lander> and it said
[20:47] <Lunar_Lander> "packing weight 1.2kg"
[20:47] <Lunar_Lander> so the scope as such probably is a bit lighter
[20:48] <Lunar_Lander> that's cool
[20:48] <NigeyS> they are quite light
[20:48] <NigeyS> unlike mine which is a hefty 28 - 35KG
[20:48] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:49] <Lunar_Lander> do you think these "no sun telescope" warnings are only to prevent people burn out their eyes
[20:49] <Lunar_Lander> I mean you can put up the scope and project the image on a paper or so
[20:49] <Lunar_Lander> but the tube gets hot when you observe the sun like that
[20:50] <NigeyS> adviseable not to without a filter, you can make one easy enough with some baader solar film
[20:50] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:50] <Lunar_Lander> because
[20:51] <Lunar_Lander> you surely know the EOSS of Colorado?
[20:51] <Lunar_Lander> the balloon team
[20:52] <NigeyS> no :/
[20:52] <Lunar_Lander> www.eoss.org
[20:53] <NigeyS> ah
[20:54] <NigeyS> lol WTH ..
[20:54] <NigeyS> Don, WA9WWS advises us this is the start of hunting season which means we must be very observant of men with guns. Wear bright clothing if possible, avoid camouflage on this day.
[20:54] <Lunar_Lander> LOL!
[20:54] <NigeyS> that's 1 kind of warning you'll never see in the U.K :|
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander> where is that?
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander> I mean on which page on the EOSS do they say that
[20:55] <NigeyS> http://www.eoss.org/flight/index.html
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander> ah I see it
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander> the latest one
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[20:55] <NigeyS> under tracking
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:58] <Lunar_Lander> NigeyS http://www.eoss.org/ansrecap/ar_030/recap04d.htm
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[21:01] <NigeyS> haha crazy stuff
[21:01] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:02] <Lunar_Lander> and
[21:02] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.eoss.org/ansrecap/ar_030/recap06.htm
[21:02] <Lunar_Lander> second flight of the scope
[21:05] <NigeyS> they were lucky to get itback at all !
[21:05] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:05] <Lunar_Lander> I wonder where they got the floater balloon from
[21:06] <Lunar_Lander> I mean that was back in 1992
[21:06] <NigeyS> yeah, big ass balloon too
[21:06] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[21:07] <Lunar_Lander> Aerostar (formerly Raven) doesn't sell to private people
[21:10] <Lunar_Lander> so here is the deal
[21:10] <Lunar_Lander> put Galileoscope into balloon PYLD, attach camera, wire trigger to sun sensor on the front of the scope
[21:10] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[21:13] <Lunar_Lander> "We are switching to our Welsh studio for an expert commentary on this idea, please Mr. NigeyS"
[21:14] <Lunar_Lander> (xD)
[21:14] <NigeyS> hehe, it'll be interesting to see if it works, much more experienced people than me to judge that though
[21:15] <NigeyS> i imagine stability to be an issue though
[21:15] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:15] <Lunar_Lander> and you can't steer the focus once it went up
[21:15] <NigeyS> camera on the scope.. thats gonna be a very short focal length, and kind of instability is gonna give very messy photos
[21:15] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:16] <Lunar_Lander> I saw a guy who modified a webcam to slide into the scope instead of the ocular
[21:16] <NigeyS> yeah thats common, i do that, mainly for planetary pics, or autoguiding
[21:18] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[21:24] <Lunar_Lander> btw LOL
[21:25] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.cafepress.com/EOSS.58648391
[21:36] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QBEiAoj9TQ&feature=related
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[22:12] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyhfPv1-460&feature=related
[22:12] <LsquaredB> wut
[22:13] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[22:13] <LsquaredB> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3bfQoAcETg
[22:14] <Lunar_Lander> xD3
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[23:06] <fsphil> so much ice outside!
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[23:10] <fsphil> NigeyS, that url 404's
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[23:19] <iNatrium> Yes, hi
[23:23] <Lunar_Lander> good night
[23:24] <iNatrium> Gute nacht Lunar_Lander
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[23:26] <NigeyS> fsphil, 2 secs
[23:26] <NigeyS> fsphil, www.nigey.co.uk/capture4.wav that's 2 stop bits and 630 drift
[23:28] <fsphil> ah, perfect!
[23:28] <NigeyS> yey
[23:28] <NigeyS> oh some advice... soldereing my sdcard shield
[23:28] <NigeyS> seems the 2 gnd pins have bridged, even though i cant see how, does it matter as theyre both gnd next to each other ?
[23:29] <iNatrium> Look at diagram once, solder twice
[23:29] <NigeyS> lol
[23:29] <iNatrium> Wait, the reverse
[23:29] <fsphil> hehe
[23:29] <NigeyS> as theyre both gnd pins it should b ok shouldnt it ?
[23:29] <iNatrium> Yeah
[23:29] <fsphil> probably
[23:30] <iNatrium> It's not agnd and gnu right?
[23:30] <iNatrium> Gnd
[23:30] <NigeyS> gnd next to gnd
[23:31] <NigeyS> so it goes gnd gnd rst
[23:31] <NigeyS> and its gnd>gnd that appear to have bridged according to the continuity checker
[23:31] <iNatrium> You could even check if they are connected
[23:31] <iNatrium> But it should be fine
[23:31] <NigeyS> brill cheers
[23:31] <NigeyS> fsphil, so that decodes fine ?
[23:31] <fsphil> perfect first time
[23:32] <fsphil> the extra bit did the trick
[23:32] <NigeyS> yey
[23:32] <NigeyS> ill finish this soldering then try some work on the drift :/
[23:34] <fsphil> yea that bit's fun ;-)
[23:34] <NigeyS> not! lol
[23:34] <NigeyS> kinda limited by the resistors i have
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[23:38] <fsphil> you can mix and match them
[23:39] <fsphil> router reboot ... again :)
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