highaltitude.log.20101124

[00:25] <NigeyS> plop
[00:26] <Darkside> herp
[00:26] <NigeyS> hehe ello DS
[00:28] <Darkside> ello
[00:28] <Darkside> http://picasaweb.google.com/joel.stan/Horus12#
[00:30] <NigeyS> wow some amazing images there
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[00:32] <NigeyS> oh and you caught a high energy particle to, bonus ;)
[00:33] <griffonbot> @projecthorus: Horus 12 Pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/joel.stan/Horus12 #projecthorus #arhab [http://twitter.com/projecthorus/status/7230303575740416]
[00:33] <Darkside> yeah i lol'd at that
[00:34] <NigeyS> lovely crisp images mind
[00:35] <Darkside> not really
[00:35] <Darkside> some of them seem to be slightly out of focus
[00:35] <Darkside> the video was fine hto
[00:35] <NigeyS> was that the gopro hd you used for the video ?
[00:35] <Darkside> yep
[00:36] <Darkside> it still has bugs...
[00:36] <NigeyS> dam :/
[00:36] <Darkside> it worked going up, until about 15 min past burst
[00:36] <Darkside> then it stopped recordung until right after landing
[00:36] <Darkside> it might have been a mechanical thing
[00:38] <NigeyS> hmm odd, hope you manage to track it down, great pics none the less :D
[00:38] <Darkside> the video is still pretty cool
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[00:38] <Darkside> cant hear the pop of the balloon as loudly, but its there
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[00:38] <Darkside> as the camera payload was quite a way below the balloon
[00:38] <Darkside> im not sure who has the pics of takeoff and suck
[00:38] <Darkside> such*
[00:39] <Darkside> the lonely planet guys got video of launch, which was amazing
[00:39] <Laurenceb> are you in australia?
[00:39] <Darkside> it was very windy, we each took turns taking the force of the balloon as we let the line up
[00:39] <Darkside> yes Laurenceb
[00:39] <Laurenceb> looks mice
[00:39] <Darkside> i was at the launch of horus 12
[00:39] <Darkside> heh
[00:39] <Laurenceb> *nice
[00:39] <Darkside> anyway, right at the end, the balloon was still on quite an angle
[00:39] <Laurenceb> not horribly hot
[00:40] <NigeyS> meh brb other half whining again :/
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[00:40] <Darkside> so juxta ran along and basically threw the payload up
[00:40] <Darkside> was awesome to watch
[00:40] <Darkside> juxta: did you get any of those pictures from the lonely planet guys?
[00:40] <Darkside> because i'd love to see the video of the launch
[00:41] <Laurenceb> 67 is epic
[00:43] <Darkside> dont forget the curve is due to the fisheye lens
[00:43] <Laurenceb> i know
[00:43] <Laurenceb> but still cool
[00:44] <Darkside> yeah
[00:44] <Darkside> the video was pretty cool
[00:44] <Darkside> but yeah, i want to see the video of the launch
[00:44] <Darkside> that was amazing
[00:44] <fsphil> I've a fairly wide lens on the uart camera -- but I can't help but think that's cheating a bit ;-)
[00:45] <SpeedEvil> Jesus - that air is stupidly clear.
[00:45] <Laurenceb> space: its closer than you think
[00:45] <SpeedEvil> I mean the ones through the actual air. :)
[00:46] <SpeedEvil> 80 say
[00:47] <SpeedEvil> Oooh - wildlife. (94)
[00:47] <Laurenceb> http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7201049.html
[00:47] <Laurenceb> stupid patents
[00:47] <Laurenceb> everything i think of is patented
[00:47] <SpeedEvil> Sigh
[00:48] <SpeedEvil> Stupid.
[00:48] <Laurenceb> thats life but not wild
[00:48] <fsphil> 68 looks a bit like mars
[00:49] <Laurenceb> http://www.sciencemag.org/content/327/5963/338.abstract
[00:49] <Laurenceb> a common and relevant topic
[00:49] <NigeyS> ok somethings wrong here, its australia, and weve seen horsies, and moo cows ..
[00:50] <Laurenceb> moo moo cows?
[00:50] <NigeyS> m00seh!
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[00:50] <fsphil> no no, in australia the cows moo like it's a question
[00:50] <fsphil> moo? moo?
[00:50] <SpeedEvil> I thought they went woo
[00:50] <SpeedEvil> Being upside-down and all.
[00:51] <fsphil> that's me oow
[00:51] <Laurenceb> lol
[00:51] <fsphil> me=be
[00:51] Action: Laurenceb is bored
[00:51] <Laurenceb> waiting for lnas to arrive...
[00:51] <NigeyS> lmao
[00:52] <Laurenceb> maybe i sould try sleeping
[00:52] Action: SpeedEvil has been gluing.
[00:52] <fsphil> night guys
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[00:52] <NigeyS> nn dude
[00:52] <NigeyS> oh drat
[00:53] <NigeyS> pritt stick again? :p
[00:53] <SpeedEvil> I now just need to do the plug-cutting thing with some spare glass to finish off this hob, to fill the old knob-holes.
[00:53] <SpeedEvil> :)
[00:53] <Laurenceb> wont the glass crack?
[00:53] <SpeedEvil> It's ceramic glass
[00:53] <Laurenceb> ah
[00:53] <SpeedEvil> from the old hob
[00:54] <Laurenceb> still, isnt it tempered?
[00:54] <SpeedEvil> I'm also wondering if it may be useful for small mirrors
[00:54] <SpeedEvil> no
[00:54] <Laurenceb> ok
[00:54] <SpeedEvil> As ~0 thermal expansion is interesting.
[00:54] <SpeedEvil> Suspension would of course be an issue
[00:55] <Laurenceb> i found some cool ccd sensors at work... abandoned but unfortunately prob wanted
[00:55] <SpeedEvil> Where are you again - I forgot.
[00:55] <Laurenceb> ccd sensor + interface
[00:55] <Laurenceb> uni in nott
[00:56] <SpeedEvil> I've been trying to get the webcam pointed at my power meter reliably outputting power.
[00:56] <SpeedEvil> But it keeps randomly freezing after a few hours.
[00:56] <Laurenceb> the other day it looked weird
[00:56] <Laurenceb> i see
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[00:56] <Laurenceb> imo optical flow might bebetter
[00:56] <SpeedEvil> When it works, it works well.
[00:56] <SpeedEvil> True.
[00:56] <Laurenceb> but more complex
[00:57] <SpeedEvil> With more light, and a 5*5 pixel ROI - the signal is around 100* the noise.
[00:57] <SpeedEvil> So it's not an issue at all
[00:57] <SpeedEvil> It's just sometimes the camera dies until the stream is reopened.
[00:57] <Laurenceb> led and photodiod glued to the glass front?
[00:57] <SpeedEvil> Yeah - that'd be another option
[00:58] <Laurenceb> or current clamp
[00:58] <SpeedEvil> True.
[00:58] <SpeedEvil> REading the meter has the nice feature that it's 100% accurate
[01:01] <SpeedEvil> Been playing with bag-sealer again.
[01:01] <SpeedEvil> Trying to work out a nice continuous seaming solution with stuff I have lying around.
[01:02] <NigeyS> moby time bbs
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[01:02] <Laurenceb> imo iyt needs a belt
[01:02] <Laurenceb> maybe ptfe
[01:03] <Laurenceb> polythene is way to cheese when its as welding temperature
[01:03] <Laurenceb> you rip the seam apart
[01:03] <SpeedEvil> yes.
[01:03] <SpeedEvil> I'm wondering about lubricants
[01:03] <Laurenceb> - like molten cheese
[01:04] <Darkside> SpeedEvil: tried KY jelly? >_>
[01:04] <SpeedEvil> Not so good at >boiling. :)
[01:04] <SpeedEvil> Hmm.
[01:04] <SpeedEvil> There are silicone based personal lubricants.
[01:04] <SpeedEvil> IIRC
[01:05] <SpeedEvil> But I suspect more normal oil should work.
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[01:15] <Laurenceb> im off, cya
[01:18] <SpeedEvil> Wave!
[01:19] <SpeedEvil> Have fun dreaming of LNAs :)
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[02:09] <jiffe99> .j hamradio
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[07:13] <natrium42> juxta, fixed some small tracker things
[07:14] <natrium42> it should detect landing now
[07:14] <natrium42> and hide the predictions and change icon to collapsed parachute
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[08:06] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[10:07] <earthshine> morning
[10:08] <jonsowman> morning
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[10:26] <NigeyMoby> Morning
[10:26] <jonsowman> morning NigeyMoby
[10:26] <jonsowman> juxta: ping
[10:27] <NigeyMoby> Not happy with FedEx today.
[10:27] <jonsowman> oh dear, why?
[10:28] <NigeyMoby> Sparkfun order seems to have gone awol only 1 order turned up
[10:28] <jonsowman> :(
[10:30] <NigeyMoby> Headers for the lassen came, how do u solder them I can barely see the dam thing LOL
[10:30] <jonsowman> they're a bit irritating, yes
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[10:36] <NigeyMoby> Grr
[10:40] <jonsowman> bbl
[10:41] <NigeyMoby> Cya dude
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[11:18] <Laurenceb_> i hate all the delivery companies
[11:18] <Laurenceb_> royal mail are slightly less annoying
[11:18] <Laurenceb_> mainly as they have a depot nearby
[11:22] <Laurenceb_> cant opt out of having to sign for everything or tell them to leave deliveries anywhere
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[12:09] <juxta> pong jonsowman
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[13:16] <Laurenceb_> http://www.sensortechnics.com/index.php?fid=300&fpar=YToxOntzOjQ6InBjaWQiO3M6MzoiMzI3Ijt9&isSSL=0&aps=0&blub=acb4b76b7f258708448118bab370800c
[13:16] <Laurenceb_> wonder if thatd be useful for rocket attitude control
[13:17] <SpeedEvil> not bad
[13:19] <Laurenceb_> 4.5grams
[13:19] <Laurenceb_> a solenoid valve that doesnt weigh a ton
[13:19] <Laurenceb_> http://www.sensortechnics.com/index.php?fid=300&fpar=YToxOntzOjQ6InBjaWQiO3M6MjoiOTkiO30%3D&isSSL=0&aps=0&blub=c586664226675348eeddf65c82c14fe2
[13:19] <Laurenceb_> those are new as well
[13:20] <SpeedEvil> The orifice is quite small - but...
[13:20] <Laurenceb_> 60millipascal resolution wow
[13:21] <Laurenceb_> thats about 20cm/sec
[13:21] <GW8RAK> I was just reading the Daily Mash and SpeedEvil's message took on a whole new meaning!
[13:21] <Laurenceb_> yeah, if you use propane
[13:26] <Laurenceb_> whats the stuff used in "air" dusters?
[13:29] <SpeedEvil> Used to be CFC
[13:30] <Laurenceb_> difluoroethane apparently
[13:30] <SpeedEvil> Now I think it's mostly flammable
[13:30] <Laurenceb_> vapour pressure is a bit high.. wonder what happens if you use the value over 200psi
[13:30] <Laurenceb_> *valve
[13:30] <Laurenceb_> i guess the pressure acts to force the valve closed
[13:31] <Laurenceb_> so short pulses of 2 or 3 times the normal operating voltage should allow it to work
[13:32] <Laurenceb_> super light RCS :D
[13:33] <SpeedEvil> Or it never opens, or the life crashes
[13:35] <jonsowman> hi juxta
[13:35] <Laurenceb_> i was thinking it could be put on the first stage of my n-prize design
[13:35] <juxta> heya Jon
[13:35] <jonsowman> just wondering if I can clear the tracker?
[13:35] <juxta> oh, righto - let me just grab a dump of it :)
[13:35] <Laurenceb_> eliminating the need for a deployable control moment gyro
[13:36] <jonsowman> thanks
[13:36] <Laurenceb_> as 20ms pulse time is so short, you only need one
[13:37] <juxta> all done jonsowman :)
[13:37] <jonsowman> thanks a lot juxta
[13:38] <juxta> no worries
[13:38] <juxta> you launching soon?
[13:38] <jonsowman> in the next few weeks with any luck
[13:38] <juxta> excellent :)
[13:38] <juxta> what's the payload?
[13:38] <jonsowman> Apex II again, with a few mods/fixes
[13:38] <jonsowman> weather permitting ofc
[13:38] <Darkside> hey juxta
[13:39] <juxta> hey Darkside
[13:39] <juxta> i've not got anything back from the LP guys, will ask Chris to email me the bits and pieces soon
[13:39] <Darkside> cool
[13:39] <Darkside> the launch video would be good :P
[13:39] <juxta> for now I'm going to head off to bed :)
[13:40] <Darkside> ok nn
[13:40] <jonsowman> see you :)
[13:40] <juxta> Darkside, swap you a compass module for some eneloops next time I see you ;)
[13:40] <juxta> ah, jonsowman, before I head off
[13:40] <juxta> I got word back from mr lassen man
[13:40] <jonsowman> oh cool
[13:40] <Darkside> juxta: yep :P
[13:41] <Darkside> they're sitting on my desk
[13:41] <juxta> he's been travelling about, he said he's just got back home and will locate said modules and get them down to me
[13:41] <jonsowman> brilliant
[13:41] <jonsowman> thanks
[13:41] <jonsowman> did he say anything about the headers?
[13:41] <juxta> will shoot him an email re headers as he didnt mention it, hehe
[13:41] <jonsowman> oh great
[13:41] <jonsowman> thanks a lot for that :)
[13:41] <jonsowman> appreciate it
[13:41] <juxta> np
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[13:41] <juxta> where do you guys get your chutes from btw?
[13:42] <jonsowman> Apex II chute was from Rockets & Things
[13:42] <jonsowman> http://www.rocketsandthings.com
[13:42] <jonsowman> CUSF generally, lots of places
[13:42] <jonsowman> we have a couple of spherachutes iirc
[13:43] <juxta> rightio
[13:43] <jonsowman> better be off - work to do.
[13:43] <jonsowman> bbl all
[13:43] <juxta> I ask as I emailed spherachutes recently with a new order
[13:43] <juxta> they're keen to see if there's anything they can do for HAB'ers in general, are keen to put together a package/discount or something
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[13:50] <SpeedEvil> bed=&shark.
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[13:58] <Laurenceb_> hmm RCS looks quite attractive is mini solenoid valves are obtainium
[13:59] Action: Laurenceb_ ponders a non spin stabilised rockoon with off the shelf HPR motors and rcs
[14:03] <SpeedEvil> :)
[14:03] <SpeedEvil> What's the price of those?
[14:03] <Laurenceb_> jcoxon bought some of the lower spec ones a while back
[14:04] <Laurenceb_> i cant remember but its not crazy prices
[14:05] <SpeedEvil> hmm
[14:05] <Laurenceb_> a single rcs thruster somewhere on a spin stabilised rockoon and you can precess the spin axis round to fire the second stage horizontally
[14:05] <SpeedEvil> yep
[14:05] <SpeedEvil> As long as you can time it well enough
[14:05] <Laurenceb_> arounding the need for a tricky deployable gyro thingy
[14:05] <SpeedEvil> - the spin is not too fast
[14:05] <Laurenceb_> the timing looks to be fast enough
[14:06] <Laurenceb_> would be fun to play about with one or two and some air dusters
[14:06] <Laurenceb_> make a hoverbot thingy
[14:06] <SpeedEvil> :)
[14:06] <Laurenceb_> "the flying air duster"
[14:06] <SpeedEvil> Camping gaz is probably cheaper.
[14:06] <Laurenceb_> but flammable
[14:07] <SpeedEvil> Since when is that a bad thing?
[14:07] <SpeedEvil> :)
[14:07] <Laurenceb_> lol
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[14:09] <micronaut> Hi all
[14:10] <Laurenceb_> hmm thats get around the need for the complex clamshell upper stage fairing as well
[14:12] <Laurenceb_> if the whole thing could be miniturised to fit inside the engine nozzle of the second stage, it could be fired to do staging and stage seperation
[14:12] <Laurenceb_> by popping apart the stages
[14:13] <Laurenceb_> due to the pressure build up
[14:14] <fsphil> g'day micronaut
[14:14] <SpeedEvil> Interesting.
[14:14] <micronaut> :)
[14:15] <micronaut> fsphil, Im ready to make sparkfun order with crystals :)
[14:16] <Laurenceb_> thatd solve pretty much all the annoying issues with my n-prize design
[14:17] <Laurenceb_> - making the deployable CMG work and making the clamshell staging work
[14:18] <SpeedEvil> :)
[14:18] <Laurenceb_> the fairing has to be ablative due to the atmospheric heating, and it looked very hard to be able to make a clamshell thats was light enough
[14:18] <SpeedEvil> It's a pity the timescales aren't a bit longer, or magnetorquers could work well
[14:18] <Laurenceb_> theres about 60 seconds after stage 1 burnout
[14:18] <SpeedEvil> yeah - 60 hours, and it'd be easy.
[14:19] <Laurenceb_> its orders of mag less torque than required
[14:20] <Laurenceb_> but yeah the n-prize is silly
[14:20] <Laurenceb_> if they had 10 times the prize money and a few more years, and lowered the budget to £500 or less itd be interesting
[14:21] <Laurenceb_> <£100 would probably be possible imo if they removed the silly rules about reuse
[14:22] <LazyLeopard> fsphil: Seen this video of ham radio activity from the ISS operator's end? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h73EYcyszf8
[14:23] <Laurenceb_> when two soyuzez arent enough
[14:24] <Laurenceb_> is that... windoze xp
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[14:48] <NigeyMoby> Afternoon
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[14:57] Action: Laurenceb_ has an even more crazy idea
[14:57] <Laurenceb_> for attitude control at ignition, use a 2L pop bottle filled with compressed air
[14:57] <Laurenceb_> then a pyro release value and nozzle with two axis servo control
[14:58] <SpeedEvil> 2l pop bottles are surprisingly light
[14:58] <Laurenceb_> - another issue was that the launch platform was too unstable
[14:59] <SpeedEvil> Also - one axes may work
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[14:59] <Laurenceb_> so cut down then reorientate it in about 500ms
[14:59] <Laurenceb_> before igniting
[14:59] <SpeedEvil> you have the servo able to tilt the nozzle in any direction of a cone
[14:59] <Laurenceb_> hmm same idea might work for second stage
[14:59] <SpeedEvil> To avoid net thrust, you continue to rotate
[14:59] <SpeedEvil> Well - net torque
[15:00] <Laurenceb_> yeah
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[15:00] <SpeedEvil> has downsides of course.
[15:02] <Laurenceb_> no actually - servos arent fast enought to work on a spinning stage
[15:02] <Laurenceb_> but the solenoid valves are good enough for that
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[15:11] <Laurenceb_> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CAR-AIR-CONDITIONING-R134a-REFRIGERANT-GAS-CAN-REFILL-/400151579132?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item5d2ae489fc
[15:11] <Laurenceb_> hmm
[15:16] <SpeedEvil> Why r134 and not propane say
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[15:17] <SpeedEvil> Also - do you want teh oil? :)
[15:17] <Laurenceb_> lower vapour pressure
[15:17] <SpeedEvil> Plus - your earlier idea.
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[15:17] <SpeedEvil> pop bottle of gas
[15:17] <SpeedEvil> Get coke/pepsi to sponsor
[15:17] <Laurenceb_> yeah - looks like air is good enoug to reorientate a spinup system
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[15:18] <Laurenceb_> not sure what to use on the second stage
[15:19] <SpeedEvil> My idea for guidance was a graphite vane in the exhaust, spun by a servo
[15:19] <SpeedEvil> but - that's not fast emough for you I guess
[15:20] <Laurenceb_> too heavy as well
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[15:21] <Laurenceb_> http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/propane-vapor-pressure-d_1020.html
[15:22] <Laurenceb_> looks doable actually
[15:22] <fsphil> ooh will watch that later LazyLeopard, in the office atm
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[15:52] <GW8RAK> For all you listeners out there http://www.arrl.org/news/arissat-1-suits-up-for-february-2011-launch
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[15:54] <Laurenceb_> SpeedEvil: even more crazy - use a small heater in the propane line, with a very fast response time
[15:54] <Laurenceb_> the by heating the continuous liquid propane flow, isp can be varied
[15:55] <Laurenceb_> also the heater can be plugged with plastic or something, so it doubles as a pyro valve
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[15:59] <fsphil> should be interesting GW8RAK
[16:00] <GW8RAK> Hopefully, the Suitsat 1 project had some fantastic photos even if the radio performance was poor.
[16:00] <GW8RAK> Hopefully, full stop, The ....
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[16:09] <fsphil> interesting, the last one didn't have a camera -- only transmitted stored images
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[16:12] <GW8RAK> It was real shame that initially it was reported as not working, because I got up early and heard it. But they had closed the website to reception reports.
[16:13] <GW8RAK> But it was very weak.
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[16:29] <NigeyS> ping DanielRichman
[16:31] <DanielRichman> hi NigeyS
[16:32] <NigeyS> hi DanielRichman sorry to bother you, i got the cable today for the t68i, and i think its a different 1 that you used, i dont have a screw, nor a circuit board, but i don have 5 cables attatched, was wondering if you could remember which colour from the original usb cable was attatched to pin4, ive got green and blue and their layed out in such a way i cant trace them to the pins
[16:34] <DanielRichman> NigeyS: I disassembled the whole thing so that I could use the lump of metal and plastic that has teh correct pin spacing
[16:34] <DanielRichman> however I do not remember anything about the colours; very sorry :-(
[16:35] <NigeyS> ahh oki, lemme show you the thing thats on mine, i "think" its the blue pin i need, its an odd layout, double stacked pins with no obvious relation to which pin on the phone they goto :(
[16:36] <DanielRichman> continuity test :)
[16:37] <NigeyS> oo yeah
[16:37] Action: NigeyS noob
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[16:47] <jshriver> anyone here ever tried tethering a balloon for retrieval but not necessarily high altitude
[16:48] <jshriver> was thinking about using a heavy fishing line (sound silly?) just to get a camera at a decent hight for taking pictures.
[16:48] <jshriver> also make a good test for my system before I try for a full ha launch
[16:49] <NigeyS> i did read about someone doing that, they used very thin nylon line
[16:57] <jshriver> intersting :)
[16:58] <fsphil> some kind of cut-down would be handy too --- just in case
[17:00] <NigeyS> and no tieing it to wildlife, horsies dont like flying ;)
[17:00] <fsphil> pigs are quite partial to it though
[17:01] <NigeyS> pmsl
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[17:09] <jonsowman> hello eroomde
[17:12] <NigeyS> itssssss jonsowman :P
[17:12] <NigeyS> evening jon
[17:13] <jonsowman> lol hello
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[17:13] <NigeyS> its in the post jon !
[17:14] <jonsowman> cool
[17:16] <fsphil> woo, home time. bbl
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[17:36] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb_: yeah - it's regrettable such sorts of ghetto electric thrusters need stupid powers
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[18:03] <DanielRichman> http://www.sparkfun.com/news/487
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[18:14] <micronaut> DanielRichman
[18:14] <micronaut> you buy stuff free of charge?
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[18:22] <laurence__> SpeedEviil: looks doable with pcb based heater channel thingy
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[18:28] <laurence__> SpeedEvil: if you use propane, it only takes an amp to 2 for 60 second to do the torque round manover
[18:29] Nick change: laurence__ -> Laurenceb
[18:30] <DanielRichman> NigeyS: https://github.com/danielrichman/alien/blob/master/misc-c/arduino-168/at-sms.c
[18:30] <NigeyS> ah awxome, thanks DanielRichman :)
[18:30] <DanielRichman> It was a while ago so I've forgotten some of it; so I've tried my best to dig it up. Notice the bit that explains how to set the pdu phone number
[18:30] <DanielRichman> I hope it um. works.
[18:30] <NigeyS> awsome*
[18:30] <NigeyS> me to lol
[18:30] <Laurenceb> - propane has a lowish heat of vaporization. it might work with 2 pcbs glued together, and a heavily etched copper surface exposed to the flow
[18:30] <DanielRichman> if it doesn't, give me a shout ;)
[18:30] <Laurenceb> like inkjet but larger and higher power
[18:32] <NigeyS> will do, cheers Dan :)
[18:34] <DanielRichman> NigeyS: btw while most of the alphanumeric chars, commas and dots are the same in the AT charset and ASCII, some arn't
[18:35] <DanielRichman> in that code you can see that there's an if to convert a $ to 0x02, its code in the crazy AT thingy
[18:35] <DanielRichman> there are a few others, but you most likely won't need them
[18:35] <DanielRichman> there is a full reference somewhere on teh net
[18:35] <NigeyS> ah righty, ill make a note of that, probably as you say won't need them other than the $
[18:35] <DanielRichman> *are the same numeric value
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[19:17] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[22:15] <Lunar_Lander> hello everyone
[22:16] <fsphil> ello ello
[22:16] <LazyLeopard> it's a very quiet evening...
[22:16] <jonsowman> mm it is
[22:16] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:17] <Lunar_Lander> how comes that spacenear has Horus 12 listed for Nov. 23?
[22:17] <fsphil> they flew a few nights ago
[22:17] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[22:17] <Lunar_Lander> how did it go?
[22:18] <fsphil> seemed to go well
[22:18] <Lunar_Lander> nice
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[22:33] <Lunar_Lander> hi james
[22:34] <jcoxon> hey
[22:34] <jcoxon> only popping in
[22:34] <SpeedEvil> Hey.
[22:34] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:34] <Lunar_Lander> hi SpeedEvil
[22:36] <Laurenceb> jcoxon: can you do the git merge magic stuff pls?
[22:36] <Laurenceb> https://github.com/jamescoxon/dl-fldigi <- pull request
[22:37] <jcoxon> depends
[22:37] <Laurenceb> yea i probably broke it lol
[22:37] <jcoxon> is it ready for mainstream?
[22:37] <Laurenceb> i _think_ so
[22:37] <jcoxon> okay i'll have a play this weekend
[22:37] <Laurenceb> but feel free to offer your opinion
[22:38] <Laurenceb> basically i added a "stream" option
[22:38] <SpeedEvil> Does it read from a named pipe, or what?
[22:38] <Laurenceb> under audio - it lets you playback wavs without any nanosleep
[22:38] <Laurenceb> yes - for playback from named pipes
[22:39] <Laurenceb> also it can read logged wavs _really_ fast
[22:39] <Laurenceb> but thats more of a bug than a feature
[22:39] <Laurenceb> guess it might be worth checking to be sure its been givn a named pipe not a file
[22:40] <jcoxon> Laurenceb, i think we'll do a release first - as its about time
[22:40] <jcoxon> then we can add your new feature
[22:40] <jcoxon> bbiab
[22:41] <Laurenceb> maybe a warning - "this is not a named pipe"
[22:41] <Laurenceb> as playing back a wav like that is rather unstable
[22:43] <Laurenceb> http://www.dunnspace.com/isp.htm <- wished that worked properly for cold gas jets with liquid/gas mixed phases
[22:44] <Laurenceb> turns out a water + lipo powered hoverbot thing could fly for a minute or two
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[22:45] Action: Laurenceb is designing a multilayer pcb based thruster
[22:46] <Laurenceb> pcb mucrofluidics looks really promising
[22:46] <fsphil> jcoxon, I've a few bug fixes and a merge with upstream waiting -- be good to get that in before a release
[22:49] <Laurenceb> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-11828882
[22:50] <Laurenceb> hah my old school is mentioned
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[22:52] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[22:52] <Laurenceb> no
[22:53] <Laurenceb> they should pay the full cost - us style
[22:53] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:53] <Laurenceb> - as long as theres grants to cover the costs if you cant afford to
[22:53] <Lunar_Lander> btw is Armalite a bad word in the UK?
[22:54] <Laurenceb> huh
[22:54] <Laurenceb> dunno what it means
[22:54] <LazyLeopard> It was the IRA's favoured weapon...
[22:54] <Lunar_Lander> Armalite makes the AR-15 (M16) and the AR-18
[22:55] <Lunar_Lander> yes and Byrant used it too
[22:55] <Lunar_Lander> which is why these guns are totally banned in Australia now
[22:55] Action: SpeedEvil sighs.
[22:56] <Laurenceb> lol
[22:56] <LazyLeopard> So mention "Armalite" among folks old enough to remember, and the immediate association is likely to be with Irish Republican terrorist snipers.
[22:56] <Laurenceb> if you so much as look at a submachine gun here your in jail for life
[22:57] <Laurenceb> a bit more than "totally banned" lol
[22:57] <Lunar_Lander> possesion of a SMG is life penalty?
[22:57] <SpeedEvil> Or 'ballot box and armalite'
[22:57] <Laurenceb> well, not quite]
[22:57] <SpeedEvil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armalite_and_ballot_box_strategy
[22:57] <LazyLeopard> That came later...
[22:57] <SpeedEvil> yes
[22:58] <Lunar_Lander> AR-18 was featured in Terminator 1 as well
[22:58] Action: Laurenceb starts humming terminator theme
[22:59] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[22:59] <Lunar_Lander> if I had a T-800 and a time machine
[22:59] <Lunar_Lander> I
[22:59] Action: SpeedEvil starts humming TeleTubby theme.
[22:59] <Lunar_Lander> I think I'd send him to April 27, 1996
[22:59] <Lunar_Lander> Port Arthur, Tasmania
[22:59] <Laurenceb> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11827862
[22:59] <Laurenceb> the hell
[22:59] <SpeedEvil> I saw that.
[23:00] <SpeedEvil> Odd.
[23:00] <SpeedEvil> But germans and mapping are a bit odd.
[23:00] <Laurenceb> its like the inverse of what youd expect in the uk
[23:00] <SpeedEvil> openstreetmap - germany has many obsessive mapping types.
[23:00] <SpeedEvil> Mapping _everything_
[23:00] <Laurenceb> the photo is ... odd
[23:00] <Lunar_Lander> yeah, there is a guy from Berlin
[23:00] <Lunar_Lander> Jens Best
[23:01] <Lunar_Lander> and he formed a group of photographers who photograph the houses of those who asked google to blur their houses in streetview
[23:01] <Laurenceb> germans are weird
[23:02] <Laurenceb> in 4b godwins law
[23:02] <SpeedEvil> He was austrian.
[23:02] <Lunar_Lander> "Another camera appeared to capture the birth of a baby on a street in a Berlin suburb, although there are question-marks over the veracity of the incident."
[23:02] <Lunar_Lander> LOL
[23:03] <Laurenceb> eww
[23:03] <Lunar_Lander> and the paragraph before
[23:03] <Lunar_Lander> where that naked guy got in his car
[23:03] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[23:05] <SpeedEvil> http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/11/24/2040247/Facebook-To-Own-the-Word-Face
[23:05] <SpeedEvil> hahh
[23:05] <SpeedEvil> hahahahahahahahhaahhahahah
[23:05] <SpeedEvil> face
[23:05] <Laurenceb> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11830094 - theres people right next to the runway - crazy
[23:06] <Laurenceb> lrlwut
[23:07] <SpeedEvil> Umm - that's a automatic radar-guided gun - not a person.
[23:07] <SpeedEvil> Oh - right
[23:07] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[23:07] <SpeedEvil> I was just looking at the preview pic
[23:07] <Lunar_Lander> the new radar for full-barrier level crossings looks similar
[23:08] <Laurenceb> thats no level crossing...
[23:08] <Laurenceb> whys there an ammo belt going into the barrier
[23:09] <Laurenceb> youd think theyd be blown overboard by the jet blast
[23:09] <SpeedEvil> That's a catapult.
[23:09] <SpeedEvil> It's not solely jet accelleration
[23:09] <Lunar_Lander> I know
[23:10] <Lunar_Lander> thus I said "Similar"!
[23:10] <Lunar_Lander> the radar has the same white pill-shaped case
[23:11] <Lunar_Lander> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18/Radarger%C3%A4t_Bahn%C3%BCbergang_Buchen.jpg
[23:11] <SpeedEvil> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-11830653
[23:11] <SpeedEvil> shows a closeup with the jet blast visible
[23:13] <Laurenceb> ok they nearly got blown off
[23:13] <Laurenceb> looks more severe from that view
[23:14] <SpeedEvil> Sure - but not _that_ bad. I've been in normal winds that bad.
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[23:29] <Lunar_Lander> night!
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[23:36] <natrium42> hi HABaholics
[23:37] <jonsowman> hi natrium42
[23:38] <natrium42> sup?
[23:38] <jonsowman> not a lot - yourself?
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[23:39] <natrium42> not much, just back from tennis practice
[23:39] <natrium42> reading research papers
[23:39] <jonsowman> :)
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