highaltitude.log.20101120

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[00:37] <Laurenceb> https://estore.rfmd.com/RFMD_Onlinestore/Products/RFMD+Parts/PID-P_SGL-0622Z.aspx?VariantID=SGL0622ZSQ
[00:38] <Laurenceb> even nicer -0.8dB noise, 35dB gain with 9ma at 3.3v
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[01:44] <juxta> argh, damn capped mobile phone plans
[01:44] Action: juxta got a big bill
[01:44] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: Interesting - got round to reading the paper. Seems they're doing essentially nothing clever at all.
[01:44] Action: SpeedEvil Quaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaks at juxta.
[01:44] <SpeedEvil> Sigh.
[01:45] <SpeedEvil> (the paper on optical HR imaging)
[01:58] <juxta> quack
[01:59] <SpeedEvil> juxta: how large?
[01:59] <SpeedEvil> At least here I've managed to get surprisingly cheap internets on phone.
[01:59] <juxta> 265 AUD
[01:59] <SpeedEvil> 1G/mo - 20 quid/6 months. No overage, they just slow you if you use too much.
[02:00] <SpeedEvil> Ow.
[02:00] <juxta> a little expensive, i know! :'(
[02:01] <juxta> the regular bill is $39 with $400 of calls included, beyond that you pay full rate for calls, so it seems I made $665 of calls last month
[02:01] <SpeedEvil> Of calls, or of internet?
[02:02] <juxta> calls
[02:10] <juxta> hmm, my switchmode 13.8 supply is being a little funny, not staying on constantly
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[02:10] <juxta> not sure what is wrong with it, it seems a pretty straightforward design
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[05:22] <Darkside> juxta-chase: ohi
[05:22] <juxta-chase> hey
[05:22] <Darkside> chase?
[05:23] <juxta-chase> chase car
[05:23] <juxta-chase> carputer
[05:23] Nick change: juxta-chase -> juxta-chasecar
[05:24] <Darkside> cool
[05:24] <Darkside> hows prep going?
[05:26] <juxta-chasecar> good good
[05:26] <juxta-chasecar> this twitter thing
[05:26] <juxta-chasecar> how's the hashtag idea work?
[05:26] <juxta-chasecar> ;p
[05:29] <Darkside> uhmm
[05:29] <Darkside> put #projecthorus #arhab at the endofthemessages
[05:29] <Darkside> and the bots can filter basedon that
[05:29] <Darkside> im on my netbook on break lol
[05:30] <Darkside> freaking 10 hour shift
[05:30] <Darkside> >_>
[05:30] <Darkside> im soooo tired
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[05:30] <juxta-chasecar> :(
[05:31] <juxta-chasecar> okay, so put the hashtags in the messages
[05:31] <Darkside> yep
[05:31] <Darkside> ill be tweeting on the day to
[05:31] <juxta-chasecar> and then the bots in here will work it out?
[05:31] <Darkside> yep
[05:32] <juxta-chasecar> which bot is looking for #projecthorus? :S
[05:32] <Darkside> griffonbot is following me ithink
[05:32] <Darkside> ithink theyare folllowing #arhab
[05:32] <juxta-chasecar> okay
[05:32] <juxta-chasecar> should i put #highaltitude too?
[05:32] <Darkside> nah
[05:33] <Darkside> you'llrun out of message space
[05:33] <juxta-chasecar> okay
[05:34] <Darkside> fuck i hate this keyboard
[05:34] <juxta-chasecar> do you want me to give you the password to the projecthoprus twitter accoutn/
[05:35] <Darkside> hmm bots arentrunning
[05:35] <Darkside> and sure
[05:35] <juxta-chasecar> hmm, i did a test tweet with #arhab and #projecthorus but it didnt show up :(
[05:35] <Darkside> i can live tweetfrommy phone
[05:35] <juxta-chasecar> yeah i just installed some twitter thing on my phone
[05:36] <Darkside> heh
[05:36] <Darkside> i just use theweebsiter
[05:37] <juxta> i tried testing #ukhas too, but no go
[05:37] <Darkside> heh oh well
[05:38] <Darkside> i'm happy to tweet from thataccount onthedayif you want
[05:38] <juxta> okay
[05:38] <juxta> that would be cool
[05:38] <juxta> if you want to tweet the status - ie balloon filling, launched, burst, etc
[05:39] <juxta> oh cool I can see you were tweeting the other day
[05:39] <juxta> :)
[05:39] <Darkside> heh
[05:42] <Darkside> man , noodle box is awesome
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[05:51] <Darkside> juxta-chasecar: done the writeup for horus 10? :P
[05:52] <juxta> not yet
[05:57] <Darkside> ok
[05:59] <juxta> Darkside, 12:00 noon here is 2:30 UTC now, right?
[05:59] <Darkside> 1
[05:59] <Darkside> 1:30\
[05:59] <juxta> okay
[05:59] <juxta> yeah
[05:59] <Darkside> gota linktothe predictions?
[06:00] <juxta> sec
[06:00] <juxta> http://www.projecthorus.org/predict/#!/uuid=3e47149bfe2214c2c860d32803819ff0b7bb225a
[06:01] <juxta> one of *those* again
[06:01] <Darkside> hahahaha
[06:01] <Darkside> ifit doesn't burst..;
[06:01] <Darkside> youusing a 2kg tomorrow?
[06:01] <juxta> nah
[06:01] <juxta> 1
[06:02] <Darkside> heh
[06:02] <Darkside> fill erup :P
[06:02] <juxta> yeah
[06:02] <Darkside> gonna goformax altitude?
[06:03] <juxta> well
[06:03] <juxta> it's a heavyish payload
[06:03] <juxta> tuesday will be a 2kg and light payload
[06:03] <juxta> Darkside, will you do ustream again this time around?
[06:03] <Darkside> heh
[06:03] <Darkside> yep
[06:03] <Darkside> withmy new cameras
[06:03] <juxta> ok awesome
[06:09] <Darkside> ok back to work
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[07:35] <jcoxon> morning
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[09:59] <fsphil> morning all
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[10:07] <juxta> morning fsphil
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[10:14] <juxta> does anybody know what tags griffonbot is following?
[10:18] <fsphil> I think it announces that when it joins the channel
[10:18] <fsphil> not sure how to trigger it
[10:19] <fsphil> hmm, wrong bot
[10:21] <juxta> !griffonbot
[10:21] <juxta> :(
[10:24] <Randomskk> arhab ukhas and cusf I think
[10:25] <Randomskk> also maybe projecthorus
[10:25] <Randomskk> and atlasballoon?
[10:25] <jcoxon> we could test it!
[10:26] <Randomskk> arhab, ukhas, cusf, atlasballoon last boot I think
[10:26] <Randomskk> yes
[10:26] <Randomskk> I just checked its source
[10:26] <juxta> hmm, i tested earlier on today jcoxon
[10:26] <juxta> it didn't seem to announce
[10:26] <Randomskk> configured for arhab, ukhas, cusf, atlasballoon
[10:26] <Randomskk> it also breaks now and again
[10:26] <juxta> ah
[10:26] <juxta> shall i try again?
[10:26] <Randomskk> go for it. I also have a bot I can load that will follow a particular twitter user
[10:27] <juxta> okay - just tweeted 'testing #arhab'
[10:27] <fsphil> tried #ukhas there too
[10:28] <Randomskk> okay so griffonbot is broke
[10:28] <Randomskk> wish I knew how to restart it. let me see
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[10:30] Action: griffonbot is GriffonBot [http://github.com/ssb/griffonbot]
[10:30] Action: griffonbot is following: #arhab #ukhas #cusf #atlasballoon
[10:31] Action: griffonbot is tracking emails sent to ukhas@googlegroups.com
[10:31] <Randomskk> magic
[10:31] <Randomskk> hope I did that right
[10:31] <Randomskk> give it a go
[10:31] <juxta> awesome, thanks Randomskk
[10:31] <juxta> let me test it now
[10:32] <griffonbot> @projecthorus: testing #arhab #ukhas [http://twitter.com/projecthorus/status/5931511287128065]
[10:32] <fsphil> yay
[10:32] <juxta> hurrah :)
[10:33] <juxta> 3 cheers for Randomskk :)
[10:33] <Randomskk> one day it might even not break
[10:33] <Randomskk> but at any rate, no problems, all I did was kill it and restart it
[10:35] <juxta> i'd better go setup the car
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[10:39] <M6LEP> Any launch planned for today?
[10:39] <jcoxon> apparently http://wiki.ukhas.org.uk/projects:current_launch
[10:40] <jcoxon> but must admit haven't heard very much
[10:40] <juxta> ah
[10:40] <juxta> shall we set the tracker heading then?
[10:40] <fsphil> last I heard was 10:30
[10:40] <jcoxon> i guess so
[10:41] <jcoxon> i've got work today
[10:41] <jcoxon> so won't be around
[10:41] <M6LEP> Yeah. I saw that but I've not spotted any confirmation...
[10:41] <jcoxon> bbl
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[10:45] <fsphil> what payload setting does rocketboy normally use?
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[11:03] <juxta> ping Darkside
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[11:11] <fsphil> hmm, oddly quiet on 434.075 today - last time it was like a jungle of blips and bleeps
[11:18] <Darkside> juxta: pong
[11:21] <M6LEP> Hmmm... So icarus has appeared at EARS...
[11:22] <M6LEP> 8/8 cloud and rain on the horizon here...
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[11:40] <GW8RAK> Just looked at the predictor for today and it's a very convenient day for the recovery.
[11:41] <M6LEP> Oh? Straight up, straight down?
[11:41] <M6LEP> ;)
[11:41] <GW8RAK> Looks like it.
[11:42] <GW8RAK> Probably not more than 10km travel.
[11:42] <GW8RAK> Knew I should have got the preamp made this week.
[11:42] <fsphil> hehe
[11:43] <fsphil> I got a second 70cm yagi last week to make an array
[11:43] <fsphil> no idea if it works
[11:43] <GW8RAK> At least we might be able to hear something this week fsphil
[11:43] <fsphil> yea the odds are good!
[11:43] <GW8RAK> Can't remember who it was but someone was looking at some 70cm yagis on the RS website yesterday.
[11:44] <GW8RAK> £25 or so ex VAT for 5 units. I wonder if a group buy wouldn't be an idea?
[11:44] <fsphil> that's really cheap
[11:44] <fsphil> got a link?
[11:44] <GW8RAK> Rather than running a long yagi which doesn't like vertical, I could just phase 2 together.
[11:45] <fsphil> oh, steve's receiver is on the map
[11:45] <fsphil> my thoughts exactly GW8RAK -- plus the smaller yagi's are portable
[11:45] <GW8RAK> And in a windy location like this, I can put them up a bit higher.
[11:46] <GW8RAK> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/search/searchBrowseAction.html?method=getProduct&R=7033032
[11:46] <fsphil> cute
[11:46] <GW8RAK> Being end supported, they can be set vertically without the mast affecting the performance.
[11:47] <fsphil> 10 of those and you'd have a fair qrp-eme setup :)
[11:47] <GW8RAK> I was half way through the housework when I thought I'd just check the IRC channel. No more housework today.
[11:47] <GW8RAK> You'd have to go up in 2, 4,8's etc
[11:47] <fsphil> good point
[11:48] <GW8RAK> Not huge gain though, only 9dBi
[11:48] <Randomskk> could have 6 or 12 too though
[11:48] <Randomskk> theoretically 10
[11:48] <Randomskk> no reason why not - 2+5 say
[11:48] <Randomskk> just has a differently shaped beam
[11:49] <fsphil> I suppose if the cable are the right lengths so the signals are in phase, it shouldn't matter how many?
[11:49] <Randomskk> vertical stacking reduces vertical beam width, horizontal stacking reduces horizontal beam width, aiui
[11:49] <GW8RAK> You can have anything you want, but if you double the number of aerials, you get 3dB gain. If you added 1 more to a 2 beam system, you'd probably get so little increase that it wouldn't be worth the hassle.
[11:50] <GW8RAK> The very annoying law of diminishing returns
[11:50] <Randomskk> indeed
[11:50] <fsphil> at some point it just become easier to use a dish
[11:50] <fsphil> +s
[11:50] <Randomskk> or a non-resonant array doing superresolution
[11:51] <Randomskk> well that is never easier, just cooler
[11:51] <fsphil> hehe
[11:51] <GW8RAK> A dish for 70cm would be impressive!
[11:52] <fsphil> how big would it have to be to match a 10el yagi -- I'm not sure how to calculate the gain of a dish
[11:53] <GW8RAK> A few years ago, I read of a parabolic reflector about 40m wide using chicken wire. It was just pegged out in the garden and resembled a curved fence. Designed for eme as the moon comes over the horizon.
[11:54] <fsphil> tha would be handy -- just unroll it
[11:54] <GW8RAK> A 3m dish at 70cm would have about 19 dBi gain.
[11:54] <fsphil> yikes
[11:54] <fsphil> pretty big
[11:55] <GW8RAK> the other alternative is a rope yagi. Stretch two ropes between the supports at either end and attach elements at the correct distances.
[11:55] <GW8RAK> Even easier and can be steered by moving the supports.
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[11:56] <fsphil> yea
[11:56] <fsphil> so it's like a ladder wire, except inverted
[11:57] <GW8RAK> Yes
[11:57] <fsphil> would need to be well supported in the middle
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[11:57] <GW8RAK> But if the dish is too large, then you can get 21+dBi from 4 Cushcraft yagis.
[11:57] <fsphil> but I like that idea
[11:57] <GW8RAK> At £240 each.
[11:57] <NigeyMoby> Morning
[11:57] <fsphil> two pvc pipes, with the elements between them
[11:58] <fsphil> morning NigeyMoby
[11:59] <fsphil> though using pvc means it isn't portable
[12:01] <GW8RAK> If you used low stretch kevlar haliard from the yachting world, you'd be able to tension it flat.
[12:01] <NigeyMoby> Did rocketboy launch?
[12:01] <GW8RAK> Been looking for a picture of an american ham who built a parabolic dish so large that he bought a naval gun turret as the rotator!
[12:01] <fsphil> don't think so -- possibly running a bit late
[12:02] <NigeyMoby> Ah okies
[12:02] <M6LEP> If he di it's not showing on the tracker...
[12:02] <NigeyMoby> Hm
[12:03] <NigeyMoby> I had an idea for a small rotator...
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[12:03] <fsphil> child labour?
[12:03] <Randomskk> hehe
[12:04] <NigeyMoby> Lol Got an old eq goto telescope mount,
[12:05] <Darkside> i'm getting hold of a dish from uni which is on a stepper mount
[12:05] <fsphil> yea, Lidl had a cheapish goto scope a while back
[12:05] <Darkside> 2.4GHz, 24dBi, and has azimuth and elevation steppers
[12:05] <fsphil> far cheaper than a proper rotator, and you get a free telescope :)
[12:05] <Darkside> and is balanced well
[12:05] <NigeyMoby> Wouldn't be to hard to rig up
[12:06] <M6LEP> Good for portable(-ish) use if it can slew reasonably fast.
[12:06] <fsphil> gonna give 2.4ghz hab'ing a try?
[12:06] <Darkside> fsphil: i want to see if i can get a 1Mbps link :)
[12:06] <fsphil> sweet
[12:06] <Darkside> 50km link budget says its possible
[12:07] <Darkside> 24dBi at one end, omni at the other
[12:07] <fsphil> I've done 2km with a modest antenna
[12:07] <Darkside> i think its possible, but i'll need to track the balloon well
[12:07] <Darkside> hence the dish on the stepper motor mount
[12:07] <NigeyMoby> Yup, my current mount is pretty fast at slewing, 9 diff rates
[12:07] <Darkside> it should move really well
[12:07] <fsphil> with 1mbit you could do a reasonable video stream
[12:07] <Darkside> exactly fsphil
[12:08] <Darkside> though we could do that with 23cm amateur video anyway
[12:08] <Darkside> but yes, i'm thinking of flying a beagleboard running linux
[12:08] <Darkside> usb webcam, usb wifi card
[12:08] <fsphil> the beagle be beastie enough to compress the video?
[12:08] <juxta-chasecar> ssh into the balloon, woo
[12:09] <Darkside> fsphil: yep
[12:09] <Darkside> juxta-chasecar: :D
[12:09] <Darkside> damn straight
[12:09] <fsphil> fantastic
[12:09] <fsphil> war-ballooning
[12:09] <NigeyMoby> Lol
[12:10] <fsphil> put a small httpd server on it with a message form, see how many people can get to it
[12:10] <Darkside> haha
[12:10] <Darkside> i was thinking of a httpd that served up the latest image from the camera
[12:10] <Darkside> and also have a video stream running on the side
[12:10] <Randomskk> you don't want it getting ddos'd
[12:11] <Darkside> yeah
[12:11] <fsphil> ooh can you could use the quickcam 5000, or one of those other megapixel webcams
[12:11] <Darkside> fsphil: i have a quickcam pro 9000
[12:11] <Darkside> its what i'll be using for the launch video stream tomorrow :)
[12:11] <fsphil> ooh another launch?
[12:11] <Darkside> yep, 1:30UTC
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[12:13] <rharrison> Launch soon cambridge uk
[12:13] <NigeyMoby> Yey
[12:13] <rharrison> With in the next hour
[12:13] <rharrison> Steve randall aka rocketboy
[12:13] <fsphil> thanks rharrison, was wondering what was happening
[12:14] <NigeyMoby> More horsie cam darkside?
[12:14] <Darkside> NigeyMoby: nah :P
[12:14] <fsphil> aww :p
[12:14] <Darkside> no horsies this time :)
[12:14] <Darkside> anyway, stream will begin around 00:30AM i think
[12:14] <NigeyMoby> Kangaroo? Lol
[12:14] <Darkside> whenever we start filling the balloon
[12:14] <juxta-chasecar> hi rharrison
[12:14] <juxta-chasecar> shall I update the tracker title etc - if so, what to?\
[12:14] <NigeyMoby> Sweet
[12:14] <fsphil> I meant to ask last time, why did you tie it to the fence before releasing it?
[12:15] <rharrison> Sure I think just Icarus III Test Launch
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[12:15] <fsphil> rharrison, icarus payload in dl-fldigi?
[12:15] <NigeyMoby> Brb
[12:15] <juxta-chasecar> rharrison, will do
[12:15] <rharrison> thanks
[12:15] <rharrison> busy ate work today
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[12:16] <rharrison> so no time to play :(
[12:16] <juxta-chasecar> fsphil, we tied it to the fence so we could pack everything up and get ready to go as soon as we let it fly
[12:16] <juxta-chasecar> no worries
[12:16] <fsphil> juxta-chasecar, genius!
[12:16] <juxta-chasecar> there are mosquitos out here, i'm going back inside ;p
[12:16] <fsphil> lol
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[12:26] <juxta> rharrison, tracker configured
[12:26] <juxta> want me to fetch wind data for predictions too?
[12:26] <rharrison> Thanks juxta
[12:26] <rharrison> That would be cool
[12:26] <rharrison> Even I can't do that :)
[12:27] <juxta> alright, will sort it - do you know expected asc/dec/burst?
[12:27] <rharrison> just calling for launch details
[12:27] <rharrison> 27k
[12:27] <rharrison> 3-4 up
[12:27] <rharrison> 5 down
[12:27] <juxta> alright
[12:27] <juxta> will do it for 3.5 up in that case :)
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[12:41] <juxta> rharrison, any word on launch time?
[12:45] <rharrison> at least one more hour balloon lost
[12:46] <Darkside> >_>
[12:47] <juxta> haha, bummer
[12:47] <juxta> if another telemetry packet comes through the predictions should run
[12:48] <fsphil> lost?
[12:49] <juxta> blew away I suspect ;p
[12:49] <fsphil> should be enough time for lunch :)
[12:50] <M6LEP> Oh dear. What happened?
[12:50] <earthshine> morning
[12:51] <juxta> morning earthshine
[12:52] <earthshine> hey
[12:56] <juxta> listening in today earthshine?
[12:56] <earthshine> is there a launch?
[12:57] <earthshine> UKHAS used to send out emails when there were launches due - i don't get them any more
[12:58] <earthshine> Nov 11th last entry on the mailing list
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[12:58] <russss> well, jcoxon sends those emails but he doesn't get time sometimes, especially if it's not his launch
[13:00] <earthshine> Yeah but whoever launch it is also hasn't announced it on the mailing list
[13:00] <earthshine> Perhaps they don't want help tracking
[13:01] <earthshine> Launch time was 10:30 so it it already up and down?
[13:02] <juxta> hasnt been launched yet, delays :)
[13:03] <earthshine> Well I wasn't asware of it so i have no kit set up
[13:03] <earthshine> oh well
[13:03] <earthshine> best of luck
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[13:25] <NigeySWales> housework sucks :(
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[13:29] <SpeedEvil> Yes.
[13:29] <NigeySWales> hey SpeedEvil
[13:30] <NigeySWales> quick Q .. found a yasu 780R .. does that pick up SSB?
[13:30] <NigeySWales> yaesu*
[13:30] <SpeedEvil> I wish I could just import some chinese labourers that would be happy to clean for $1/day.
[13:30] <SpeedEvil> But meh.
[13:30] <NigeySWales> lmao me to, or get the fiance to buy a dishwasher!
[13:30] <SpeedEvil> I don't recall the name.
[13:30] <NigeySWales> its really old .. 1984
[13:31] <SpeedEvil> Not finding it.
[13:32] <SpeedEvil> ah - ebay
[13:32] <juxta> NigeySWales, yes, that'll do SSB
[13:32] <NigeySWales> perfect thankoo :)
[13:32] <SpeedEvil> :)
[13:32] <NigeySWales> yeah ebay SpeedEvil watching it incase i dont win the 790
[13:32] <SpeedEvil> hmm - 49.99
[13:32] <SpeedEvil> no bids
[13:32] <SpeedEvil> OTOH - I don't need it right now.
[13:33] <SpeedEvil> And I'm trying to avoid buying stuff that I don't actually positively have a use for.
[13:33] <SpeedEvil> I totalled up roughly the contents of a few boxes of stuff I've bought and not used.
[13:33] <SpeedEvil> Fucking scary.
[13:33] <NigeySWales> haha well dont bid, i need 1 and id like to keep my bank balance in the black!
[13:33] <NigeySWales> adds up dont it
[13:34] <SpeedEvil> Sorry - I keep thinking you're .au
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[13:35] <SpeedEvil> I know you're not - I just see the N, S wales, and ignore the rest. :)
[13:35] <NigeySWales> my housemate is .. kinda .. lol
[13:35] <NigeySWales> he has a au passport...
[13:35] <juxta> damn australians
[13:36] <NigeySWales> bloody everywhere aint they lol :P
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[13:36] <juxta> :)
[13:36] Action: juxta is off to bed
[13:36] <NigeySWales> nn dudey
[13:36] <NigeySWales> Nice audio reports on SSB but no tone board which is a problem nowadays but for normal tone burst operation its fine.
[13:37] <NigeySWales> whats that mean in simplified english ?
[13:38] <juxta> for what you want to use it for, it means nothing ;p
[13:38] <NigeySWales> yey good lol
[13:38] <SpeedEvil> http://www.hifissb.com/byaesu-ft767gx-tone-board-p-116.html?currency=USD
[13:38] <SpeedEvil> looks like
[13:38] <SpeedEvil> adds a 1750hz tone to the tx
[13:38] <NigeySWales> ahh i get ya
[13:39] <NigeySWales> so these things are kinda modular, you add extra bits n stuff ?
[13:39] <juxta> sort of
[13:39] <juxta> often radios are capable of accepting new filters and boards etc
[13:39] <juxta> other times hams just hack extra functionality in
[13:39] <juxta> :)
[13:39] <NigeySWales> haha great stuff!
[13:40] <juxta> typically it's pretty easy - on one of my radios it was just a single resistor I had to open circuit to open out of band tx and rx
[13:40] <Darkside> that the 706 juxta ?
[13:40] <NigeySWales> oh crikey thats no fun, i'd probably blow the thing up !
[13:40] <juxta> nah Darkside , my ft-90r in the car
[13:41] <Darkside> ahh
[13:41] <Darkside> i want to mod my dads 706MKIIg..
[13:41] <juxta> yeah i think they can do OOB with just softwar
[13:41] <juxta> software*
[13:41] <juxta> or maybe very minor hardware changes
[13:41] <Darkside> cool
[13:41] <juxta> mods.dk is the place to look ;p
[13:41] <Darkside> i already modded his 207H
[13:42] <Darkside> used that to talk to friends in adelaide on his 2 x 18 element beams :P
[13:42] <juxta> ok - we can chat about radios tomorrow while we wait for the balloon, im off to bed now ;p
[13:42] <SpeedEvil> Night!
[13:42] <juxta> good luck to all involved in the launch today
[13:42] <NigeySWales> nn juxta sleep well dude :)
[13:42] <juxta> night :)
[13:43] <NigeySWales> hmmz looking at a 10 ele yeagi for £50 or 15 element for £65
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[13:59] <fsphil> the 10 el will probably be enough for anything within 300km
[14:00] <NigeySWales> good, i get to save money, and the 15 looks kinda big too
[14:00] <fsphil> yea it's almost twice the length
[14:00] <NigeySWales> ouch
[14:00] <fsphil> I was tempted to get that one too, kinda glad I didn't
[14:00] <fsphil> the 10el fits perfectly in the boot
[14:01] <NigeySWales> that's ideal then
[14:02] <fsphil> is that the diamond yagi?
[14:03] <NigeySWales> yups
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[14:03] <NigeySWales> A430S10R Diamond 430-440MHz 70cm 10 el Yagi
[14:05] <fsphil> the instruction sheet is entirely japanese, but thankfully you won't need it :)
[14:06] <NigeySWales> eek, thanks for the heads up, that's 1 language i won't be learning anytime soon lol !
[14:07] <fsphil> daijoubu desu yo
[14:07] <NigeySWales> yup that too...lol
[14:08] <fsphil> hmm, the other balloon must have escaped too
[14:09] <NigeySWales> what time they meant to be launching?
[14:11] <fsphil> 10:30 :p
[14:11] <NigeySWales> eek
[14:12] <fsphil> shouldn't be much longer, if the second balloon is fine
[14:12] <fsphil> and they still have enough gas to fill it
[14:13] <NigeySWales> first 1 literally escaped?
[14:13] <fsphil> no idea, though I can't see any other way of loosing it
[14:13] <fsphil> unless it burst
[14:13] <NigeySWales> dam :/
[14:16] <M6LEP> The comments were sufficiently cryptic...
[14:16] <fsphil> indeed
[14:17] <fsphil> this is where twitter comes in handy
[14:19] <NigeySWales> definately
[14:23] <NigeySWales> time to make a brew..
[14:23] <M6LEP> ...if you can find where the twittering's happening...
[14:34] <NigeySWales> nothing on cusf twitter
[14:35] <fsphil> I don't think steve twitters
[14:35] <NigeySWales> oh :/
[14:36] <fsphil> I'll have to remember to do regular updates when I launch, even if nothing is happening :p
[14:36] <fsphil> or do the webcam
[14:37] <NigeySWales> i might try the webcam, depending how the wireless signal is
[14:38] <fsphil> yea that might be an issue here too
[14:38] <fsphil> my launch site is pretty barren
[14:38] <M6LEP> It's getting a bit late in the day for a launch today. The sun will have set before it comes down.
[14:39] <M6LEP> Sunset's at about 16:05.
[14:40] <fsphil> glad I didn't head up the mountain with the yagi :)
[14:41] <fsphil> GW8RAK, is the preamp your making a kit? or something from scratch?
[14:44] <fsphil> this one looks easy enough: http://www.vectronics.com/Product.php?productid=VEC-1444K
[14:46] <GW8RAK> fsphil - was just watching a film while waiting for the launch. The kit is from G0MRF and he has them on his website
[14:49] <GW8RAK> I tried making my own, but the active devices can get expensive if they go pop.
[14:52] <fsphil> thanks, looks interesting
[15:11] <GW8RAK> Is there any update on this launch?
[15:11] <NigeySWales> nup :(
[15:11] <fsphil> at this point its looking unlikely
[15:12] <GW8RAK> Oh, well back to doing some jobs and some housework
[15:13] <Laurenceb> has it launched?
[15:13] <M6LEP> Doesn't look like it.
[15:13] <Laurenceb> ah
[15:14] <M6LEP> Figure it's a bit late in the day for a launch now, unless they're after a night flight...
[15:16] <M6LEP> There were some cryptic comments which might be interpreted as meaning they'd lost a balloon one way or another...
[15:16] <Laurenceb> http://www.mgef.org/zms_241_3.htm
[15:16] <Laurenceb> what the hell
[15:17] <Laurenceb> http://www.mgef.org/zms_241_3.htm#details
[15:17] <Laurenceb> that is insane
[15:18] <NigeySWales> 61km :o
[15:19] <GW8RAK> -1dBm isn't very much power
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[15:31] <fsphil> death ray: http://www.mgef.org/images/241_3_feed.jpg
[15:32] <fsphil> eek, serious 70cm noise now
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[15:38] <NigeySWales> hmmz
[15:38] <NigeySWales> wb GW8RAK
[15:40] <GW8RAK> Firefox crashed
[15:40] Action: M6LEP has caught a couple of SOTA activations on HF while waiting...
[15:40] <NigeySWales> either theyre launching very late, or somethings gone slightly wrong
[15:41] <fsphil> speaking of HF, I seem to have lost 20m for some reason. haven't heard anything on there in about a month
[15:47] <M6LEP> Sometimes it's dead, but it's been lively enough this afternoon. Mind, the only QSOs I've made have been on 40.
[15:48] <GW8RAK> Does anyone have the reference to the Ofcom document listing which channels are available for airborne use please? I've searched their website, but can't find it.
[15:48] <Randomskk> which channels are available is a very complicated mess
[15:49] <GW8RAK> It's been a long time since I did anything on amateur HF with the exception of some hellschreiber
[15:49] <GW8RAK> I was trying to find the 174MHz channel(s) we are allowed to use.
[15:49] <Randomskk> https://randomskk.net/u/SRD_License_Exemptions.zip has some documents you may find useful
[15:50] <GW8RAK> Having trouble opening that doc.
[15:50] <Randomskk> probably IR2030 mostly
[15:51] <Randomskk> the zip file, or the documents inside?
[15:51] <Randomskk> 1995_5_EC has to do with actually making your own radio, as does the guide pdf
[15:51] <Randomskk> 47DA77... is to do with the frequency band we use
[15:51] <Randomskk> IR2030 lists more frequency bands
[15:51] <Randomskk> I seem to recall another document too but it's not there
[15:51] <GW8RAK> 2030 is the one I was thinking of. Thanks
[15:52] <NigeySWales> http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/spectrum/spectrum-management/licence-exempt-radio-use/
[15:52] <NigeySWales> any help ?
[15:53] <Randomskk> oh man, I wanted that page quite bad when I was researching this last time and it 404d
[15:53] <Randomskk> they'd just upgraded their site and totally broken that one page
[15:53] <Randomskk> very annoying
[15:53] <NigeySWales> lol typical
[15:54] <Randomskk> man, some maths suggests I should be using 10µF or so capacitors in this filter instead of 100n
[15:54] <Randomskk> I'd normally just stick 100n in, I wonder how critical this is
[15:59] <GW8RAK> Can't answer you there. I was just pondering 169MHz for balloon downlink. Not many people have equipment for it, but 500mW is allowed.
[16:00] <GW8RAK> With that much power, packet radio could be used and there's lots of surplus gear around for 170MHz FM
[16:02] <NigeySWales> 160 – 190kHz
[16:02] <NigeySWales> FIXED
[16:02] <NigeySWales> Aeronautical Radionavigation
[16:02] <NigeySWales> hm
[16:03] <GW8RAK> 169.4 - 169.475 Asset tracking and tracing.
[16:06] <NigeySWales> 156 8375-174 MHz
[16:06] <NigeySWales> FIXED
[16:06] <NigeySWales> MOBILE except aeronautical mobile
[16:06] <NigeySWales> makes no sense to me
[16:07] <GW8RAK> bottom of page 19. There's loads of overlapping allocations
[16:07] <NigeySWales> ahh
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[16:44] <fsphil> clearing out the attic -- unbelievable amount of junk up there
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[16:46] <fsphil> found a couple of nice 2.4ghz antenna though
[16:47] <m1x10> fsphil: got many 2.4 antennas :p
[16:47] <m1x10> from homemade to commercial
[16:47] <fsphil> found three :)
[16:53] <NigeySWales> its ccccccccold out!
[16:53] <m1x10> how cold?
[16:53] <m1x10> here is 15C
[16:54] <NigeySWales> well i cant feell my toes and i only went to the local shop for a tin of tomatoes! lol
[16:54] <m1x10> I can fill the coca cola im drinking
[16:54] <m1x10> :p
[16:54] <NigeySWales> lol well according to the bbc its 4 degrees here
[16:55] <fsphil> huh, it's actually warmer here. toasty 7c
[16:56] <NigeySWales> ach phil stole our heat, give it back!
[16:56] <NigeySWales> im in the only room of the house where the radiator doesnt work to ! :(
[16:57] <m1x10> thats bad
[16:57] <NigeySWales> yes! been waiting 3 weeks for a new thermostat valve pin :(
[16:59] <GW8RAK> The preamp progresses. Just had a good session soldering SMD's
[16:59] <GW8RAK> And none of them went flying across the bench or stuck to the iron
[17:00] <NigeySWales> lol, i b0rked 2 leds soldering last night, had the steady hand of a withdrawing crack addict :|
[17:00] <GW8RAK> I was going to do it this morning, but my fingers were too cold.
[17:01] <GW8RAK> Wind the coils next and then the semiconductors.
[17:01] <NigeySWales> i have a nice halogen lamp that keeps me warm in the room where i do the soldering
[17:02] <GW8RAK> SMD's are quick as there are no leads to cut to length and shape.
[17:02] <GW8RAK> But the soldering looks a mess. Relatively large amounts compared to wired components.
[17:02] <NigeySWales> i have to do the gps smd .. not looking forward to that 1 bit !
[17:03] <GW8RAK> But that's all for today. I have a YL and a curry waiting for me.
[17:03] <fsphil> mmm curry
[17:03] <NigeySWales> mm had a madras last night, was gorgeous! unfortunately im roped into cooking tortelini tonight :/
[17:04] <GW8RAK> Asda curries are down to £4 this afternoon apparently. Not a great curry, but at the price, it's okay.
[17:04] <NigeySWales> now ya tell me! lol
[17:04] <NigeySWales> cmon phil we're off to asda
[17:05] <GW8RAK> It's probably only Asda in Queensferry as they are out of date or something
[17:05] <NigeySWales> oh boo :(
[17:05] <fsphil> I'm lucky enough, there's a chinese takeaway just around the corner :)
[17:05] <NigeySWales> that's cheating!
[17:06] <GW8RAK> There's nothing here in the village except for lamb.
[17:06] <fsphil> two actually, but one has bad chips
[17:06] <GW8RAK> And they are still running around
[17:06] <NigeySWales> lol GW8RAK ! sunday lunch? :p
[17:06] <NigeySWales> fsphil, i always find takeaway places dont do good chips :|
[17:06] <GW8RAK> I couldn't possibly comment
[17:07] <NigeySWales> lol
[17:07] <NigeySWales> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpUvv6ydw0c
[17:07] <NigeySWales> gets the blood flowing :D
[17:07] <NigeySWales> \o/
[17:08] <GW8RAK> Does any of it sound any different to any other bit?
[17:09] <NigeySWales> depends how much you've had to drink..lol
[17:09] <GW8RAK> I would need a hell of a lot to drink to appreciate that. Or am I just showing my age?
[17:10] <NigeySWales> haha nah, its an aquired taste of music, i used to run an online station playing this kinda music, but many people i know dont like it, to repetitive etc etc
[17:10] <fsphil> good background music
[17:10] <GW8RAK> I won't post any links to my music then!
[17:10] <NigeySWales> yups, lab 4 are amazing live
[17:10] <NigeySWales> hehe
[17:11] <NigeySWales> google for tranceairwaves ;)
[17:11] <NigeySWales> was my baby but decided £10k a year in costs and no return wasnt worth it
[17:13] <GW8RAK> But in the absence of a balloon flight, this is quite watchable http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj6ho1-G6tw
[17:14] <NigeySWales> that guy is a legend
[17:14] <NigeySWales> so much talent
[17:14] <GW8RAK> I can't even do wheelies
[17:14] <fsphil> oh that's good
[17:15] <NigeySWales> everything you look at and think, no way, he goes and makes look easy lol
[17:15] <NigeySWales> Time left: 0h 11m 34s (20 Nov, 201017:26:51 GMT)
[17:15] <NigeySWales>
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[17:15] <NigeySWales> Current bid: £73.00
[17:15] <NigeySWales> grrrrrr
[17:15] <GW8RAK> In one of his videos, he jumps onto a chain between two bollards and manages to balance for a short time
[17:15] <NigeySWales> crikey!
[17:16] <NigeySWales> meh 80quid now .. people are idiots bidding early
[17:17] <GW8RAK> I just put in a bid and if I don't get it, then I don't spend too much. The last radio I bid on £100, went for £650!
[17:17] <fsphil> !!
[17:17] <GW8RAK> That's what you call being outbid!
[17:17] <NigeySWales> 650 :o bloody hell!
[17:17] <NigeySWales> made of gold ?
[17:18] <GW8RAK> It was just an opportunistic bid in case everyone else lost their internet connection at the wrong time.
[17:18] <NigeySWales> haha how good would you feell if that happened!
[17:18] <GW8RAK> 100KHz to 3.4GHz full coverage and all modes
[17:18] <NigeySWales> ohh, worht the 650 then :|
[17:18] <NigeySWales> worth*
[17:19] <GW8RAK> Not to me :-)
[17:19] <NigeySWales> lol, saw a 2nd hand kenwood earlier, not sure what make but that was over 900quid!
[17:20] <GW8RAK> My best deal was £25 and sold it a year later for £220
[17:20] <Randomskk> 100kHz to 3.4GHz all modes? blimey
[17:20] <NigeySWales> can't go wrong there!
[17:20] <Randomskk> that is a lot of coverage
[17:20] <NigeySWales> hey Randomskk
[17:20] <Randomskk> hi
[17:21] <NigeySWales> wonder what happened to the launch then
[17:22] <fsphil> fantastic video, thanks for the link :)
[17:22] <NigeySWales> he's got quite a few up i think phil, guys a genius
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[17:23] <fsphil> I've been distracted enough, have to go move these boxes I through out of the attic :)
[17:23] <fsphil> then food!
[17:23] <NigeySWales> lol have fun !
[17:25] <Laurenceb> http://www.mgef.org/zms_134_VUCC.htm
[17:25] <Laurenceb> interesting
[17:27] <NigeySWales> yey i won
[17:27] <NigeySWales> £106 :|
[17:31] <NigeySWales> soo. 10 ele yagi it is then
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[17:48] <Laurenceb> have people here ordered from radioworld?
[17:50] <NigeySWales> umm.. not sure
[17:50] <LazyLeopard> Nope
[17:50] <NigeySWales> just saw their delivery charge for the yagi mind.. 10quid :|
[17:51] <Laurenceb> yeah - it seems to be 4dB better than the rs one tho
[17:51] <NigeySWales> oh
[17:51] <NigeySWales> hi LazyLeopard :)
[17:51] <Laurenceb> but £13 more and £10shipping
[17:51] <NigeySWales> alot for an extra 4db eh
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[17:55] <LazyLeopard> re NigeySWales
[17:56] <LazyLeopard> <-- was M6LEP earlier...
[17:56] <NigeySWales> oh haha didnt realise, sorry
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[18:00] <LazyLeopard> ;)
[18:02] <NigeySWales> Russia 'to work with Nato on missile defence shield'
[18:02] <NigeySWales> never thought i'd see the day ..
[18:03] <Laurenceb> what ant is used for the tracotron?
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[18:08] <SpeedEvil> NigeySWales: They supply the live ICBMs to test with.
[18:08] <NigeySWales> hehehe
[18:08] <NigeySWales> bet theyre not short of a few mind!
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[18:09] <NigeySWales> laurenceb what's tracotron?
[18:10] <Laurenceb> at cued
[18:10] <fsphil> NigeySWales, wsplc might have a bit cheaper postage -- for NI they certainly do
[18:11] <NigeySWales> cheers phil i'll take a look
[18:11] <fsphil> don't forget the cable ;-)
[18:12] <NigeySWales> hah i did aswell.. duh
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[18:28] <fsphil> I wonder what the odds are they'll try launching again tomorrow
[18:29] <fsphil> predictions looks quite nice
[18:30] <NigeySWales> fingers crossed!
[18:37] <LazyLeopard> Any clear information about what went wrong yet?
[18:38] <LazyLeopard> Meanwhile... http://www.southgatearc.org/news/november2010/5_new_satellites_in_orbit.htm
[18:39] <fsphil> yea that's neat -- though they need a proper distributed listener system for this kind of stuff :)
[18:40] <Randomskk> weird. this commercial brushless motor controller seems to only read the back emf once in a cycle, rather than at every commutation
[18:40] <Randomskk> I guess it only updates pwm frequency once per cycle, so the timing should stay constant
[18:41] <Randomskk> but weirder is that it seems to PWM the phase that should be floating
[18:41] <Randomskk> I wonder if this explains why it can't maintain low speeds
[18:41] <Randomskk> weirdo implementation at any rate
[18:41] <Randomskk> the back emf seems to only drop to about half the battery voltage at low speed, too, so the zero crossing is nowhere near half the battery voltage - more like 3/4
[18:41] <Randomskk> though that does drop with speed
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[18:44] <fsphil> oooh I'm getting morse code on 70cm .. dropping in frequency so must be a satellite
[18:45] <LazyLeopard> ;)
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[18:48] <fsphil> and suddenly it's gone
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[18:49] <fsphil> basically I got: HI HI DE JQ1YTC DIGI ONCUTE ... them some hexadecimal codes
[18:49] <fsphil> kept repeating
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[18:51] <fsphil> google suggests CO-65
[18:51] <fsphil> http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/satellites/satInfo.php?satID=112
[18:51] <fsphil> aye, it just passed overhead
[18:51] <fsphil> that's really neat
[18:52] <Randomskk> hah nice
[18:53] <Randomskk> bloody motors, what are they like https://randomskk.net/u/tp_bldc.jpg
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[19:08] Action: Laurenceb has been trying different windowing kernels for rtty
[19:08] <Laurenceb> looks like Hann works best, but its quite interesting
[19:08] <Randomskk> windowing functions are odd
[19:09] <Laurenceb> they dont give an obvious performance boost, its more that the BER as a function of SNR is blurred out a bit
[19:09] <Laurenceb> so i start to lose bits sooner, but i can still get bits at lower snr
[19:10] <Laurenceb> seems overall theres an performance boost - its probably be more obvious with FEC
[19:10] <Laurenceb> bbl
[19:11] <fsphil> adding fec to the current format and still keeping it human readable would be tricky
[19:12] <DanielRichman> you could have <ascii data>*<checksum>;<medium sized blob of binary fec>
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[19:18] <fsphil> the string being variable length would complicate things
[19:18] <fsphil> it would have to rely on the first $ being received
[19:19] <Randomskk> or just use a mode with builtin fec
[19:19] <Randomskk> olivia for ex.
[19:19] <Randomskk> or I think dominoex can have it too
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[19:47] <NigeySWales> do b doo
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[20:08] <Randomskk> yay. schematic for latest generation motor controller done in kicad
[20:08] <Randomskk> https://randomskk.net/u/minimoc.pdf
[20:08] <Randomskk> Laurenceb: making new parts in eeschema is actually really really nice
[20:08] <Randomskk> easier to learn than eagle and no harder
[20:09] <Randomskk> this new design has way, way fewer discretes
[20:10] <Randomskk> like 26 total, the rest is little ICs
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[20:41] <fsphil> I found a complete PC up there, wonder if it still works
[20:41] <fsphil> or what's on it
[20:43] <Laurenceb> looks really professional
[20:44] <Laurenceb> - the schematic
[20:44] <Laurenceb> i have a big library of nice eagle parts for my DACTYL board - thats why i gave up on using kicad for si4432 dongle
[20:45] <Laurenceb> still need to get that fabbed along with v2 dactyl board
[20:47] <Laurenceb> theres code for mfsk, dominoex etc on the wiki - http://ukhas.org.uk/code:radio
[20:52] <Laurenceb> iirc theres a script to convert parts from eagle to kicad
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[20:59] <jcoxon> did the launch get off the ground then?
[21:03] <LazyLeopard> Not that we noticed...
[21:04] <jcoxon> oh dear
[21:15] <jcoxon> thats a shame
[21:15] <jcoxon> seems like a flight in canada may have broken the alt record
[21:15] <fsphil> what alt.?
[21:17] <jcoxon> 130903ft apparently
[21:18] <fsphil> whoa, that's almost 40km!
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[21:34] <LazyLeopard> Whooo!
[21:34] <NigeySWales> Laser propulsion (Lightcraft) (A ground based laser or maser) could be used to heat the gas inside the a HAB from the ground to help achieve higher altitudes
[21:34] <NigeySWales> hmmm
[21:35] <LazyLeopard> ...and there I thought you were oing to plug Jordin's favourite(-ish) launch method ;)
[21:36] <NigeySWales> hehe
[21:36] <LazyLeopard> ...using lasers to blast stuff into orbit.
[21:36] <fsphil> jcoxon, your flight computer on it's own might be able to manage a good altitude
[21:36] <jcoxon> thats very true
[21:38] <NigeySWales> what's the highest you've got to jcoxon ?
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[21:56] <Laurenceb> i was reading the littlemonsterrocket n prize pages
[21:56] <Laurenceb> not completely mad
[21:57] <jcoxon> NigeySWales, oh not that high - never really tried - my alt record is about 32km i think
[22:00] <NigeySWales> still a long way up !
[22:01] <jcoxon> true
[22:01] <NigeySWales> isnt there a launch later aswell? 1:30am ?
[22:02] <jcoxon> yeah juxta and gang
[22:02] <NigeySWales> hopefully they'll avoid the dunes this time!
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[22:13] <fsphil> what's the time there?
[22:13] <juxta> 8:45am
[22:13] <juxta> did Steve end up launching yesterday?
[22:13] <fsphil> never happened -- as far as we could tell anyway
[22:13] <juxta> :(
[22:13] <fsphil> needs better communications
[22:14] <juxta> morning Darkside
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[22:19] <griffonbot> @nearsys: Just sent PCBs out for AE360 sensors. Now to get a list of parts to be ordered. #ARHAB [http://twitter.com/nearsys/status/6109463580778496]
[22:22] <Darkside> hey juxta
[22:22] <Darkside> just got a message from matt, he reckons 9:30-10
[22:23] <juxta> nice weather up your wau?
[22:23] <juxta> ok cool
[22:23] <Darkside> what time were you planning ?
[22:23] <juxta> that sounds good, takes the pressure off me ;p
[22:23] <juxta> was thinking i'd leave here at 9
[22:23] <juxta> but i think not now
[22:23] <juxta> ;p
[22:23] <Darkside> lol
[22:23] <Darkside> ill sms him and ask
[22:24] <juxta> i leave soon
[22:24] <juxta> nearly ready
[22:24] <juxta> might ring alan and see if he wants to make me a coffee ;p
[22:24] <Darkside> hahaa
[22:25] <Darkside> hmm might sit my radio on RSB
[22:26] <juxta> ok
[22:26] <juxta> tell matt to call you there
[22:27] <Darkside> i cant talk on it
[22:27] <Darkside> remember :P
[22:27] <Darkside> im just listening for him calling out to grant or someone
[22:29] <juxta> ping natrium42
[22:29] <Darkside> oh yes, we need to get the twitter followers going
[22:29] <Darkside> since they dont seem to be working at the moment
[22:30] <juxta> fixed already
[22:30] <Darkside> :P
[22:30] <griffonbot> @projecthorus: Perfect weather for launch today #arhab #ukhas [http://twitter.com/projecthorus/status/6112212758298624]
[22:31] <griffonbot> @darksidelemm: Horus 11 Launch Day! Follow #projecthorus and #arhab for updates! [http://twitter.com/darksidelemm/status/6112301409107968]
[22:31] <Darkside> haha
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[22:41] <natrium42> juxta, sup?
[22:42] <Darkside> dammit he just left
[22:42] <Darkside> ill find out what he wanted
[22:43] <Darkside> lol nvm
[22:43] <juxta> i'm still here :)
[22:43] <Darkside> he's still home
[22:43] <juxta> was just going to say hi is all natrium42 ;p
[22:43] <Darkside> haha
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[22:46] <juxta> okay
[22:46] <juxta> i'm off for real now :)
[22:46] <Darkside> cya
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[23:01] <griffonbot> @projecthorus: On out way to the launch site! #projecthorus #arhab [http://twitter.com/projecthorus/status/6119900510683136]
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[23:17] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[23:18] <natrium42> aber hallo
[23:18] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[23:18] <natrium42> looks like another pending launch in australia
[23:19] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[23:19] <Lunar_Lander> and RocketBoy launched yesterday right?
[23:19] <natrium42> no
[23:19] <natrium42> not sure why
[23:19] <Lunar_Lander> oh ok
[23:23] <Lunar_Lander> I bought two military surplus balloons from ebay
[23:23] <Lunar_Lander> they arrived on thursday and look quite OK
[23:29] <natrium42> which military?
[23:29] <natrium42> not the french, rite? :P
[23:29] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[23:30] <Lunar_Lander> US
[23:30] <Lunar_Lander> but he did not say which branch
[23:30] <Lunar_Lander> USAF I assume
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[23:37] <Lunar_Lander> natrium42 I finally want to get ready to go
[23:37] <Lunar_Lander> I hope I finally get the electronics sorted out
[23:37] <natrium42> :D
[23:38] <natrium42> do you have all the parts now?
[23:38] <natrium42> juxta-chasecar, good luck with the launch!
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[23:40] <Lunar_Lander> I have three balloons, one parachute
[23:40] <Lunar_Lander> a radio guy friend does the radio downlink
[23:40] <Lunar_Lander> as for the data recorder, I have to find someone who can help me with that but I asked the electronics lab of the uni of applied sciences
[23:41] <Lunar_Lander> and they said they think it is interesting
[23:41] <natrium42> do you need a permission in germany?
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[23:42] <Lunar_Lander> yes but I already talked to the DFS which is the responsibly body
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[23:42] <Lunar_Lander> *responsible
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[23:42] <natrium42> what does DFS stand for?
[23:42] <Lunar_Lander> they said that I have to announce flight 8 working days in advance
[23:42] <Lunar_Lander> Deutsche Flugsicherung
[23:42] <natrium42> ah
[23:43] <Lunar_Lander> translates to German Flight Safety
[23:43] <natrium42> 8 days is not bad
[23:43] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[23:48] <fsphil> 8 days is brilliant
[23:48] <LazyLeopard> We _dream_ of 8 days. ;)
[23:48] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[23:48] <Lunar_Lander> I remember you told me of 60 days
[23:48] <LazyLeopard> <insert rest of sketch here>
[23:52] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[23:52] <Lunar_Lander> sorry
[23:52] Action: Lunar_Lander lowers his head
[23:58] <LazyLeopard> ;)
[23:58] <Lunar_Lander> I'm back
[23:58] <Lunar_Lander> I just realized that I was so stupid to boast with the short waiting time
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