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[09:03] <jcoxon> morning
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[09:38] <earthshine> morning
[09:38] <jcoxon> hey earthshine
[09:38] <jcoxon> i'm really sorry i haven't sent that board yet
[09:38] <earthshine> ahh I was going to ask about that
[09:38] <jcoxon> have been on call all week so haven't actually seen daylight nor a post office
[09:38] <earthshine> i thought it had been lost by Royal Fail
[09:38] <earthshine> no worries - i'm not desperate for it
[09:43] <jcoxon> ooo my flickr account has had 99,147 views
[09:43] <NigeySWales> morning all
[09:43] <jcoxon> nearly there...
[09:44] <NigeySWales> jcoxon, i can sit and press refresh 853 times for 50p a click? :P lol
[09:45] <jcoxon> ummm i could do it myself for a lower rate :-)
[09:45] <NigeySWales> hah true..:p
[09:45] <NigeySWales> everything looking good for your launch ?
[09:45] <jcoxon> yeah pretty much
[09:46] <jcoxon> flight path is pretty extreme
[09:46] <jcoxon> (just to say this isn't a normal launch_
[09:46] <jcoxon> )
[09:46] <NigeySWales> oh, make it very interesting :D
[09:47] <NigeySWales> makes*
[09:47] <jcoxon> from long range forecasts it'll be off towards denmark
[09:48] <NigeySWales> blimey, thats definately extreme!
[09:50] <jcoxon> just grabbing all the weather data
[09:50] <earthshine> is the launch today ?
[09:50] <jcoxon> will run a few scenarios
[09:50] <jcoxon> earthshine, no, next saturday
[09:50] <earthshine> ahh
[09:50] <jcoxon> there is a launch tomorrow 15:00
[09:51] <NigeySWales> hey earthshine, recieved my order yesterday, thnk you :)
[09:55] <juxta_> hey jcoxon, what time are you launching?
[10:00] <jcoxon> it'll be ~ 14:00 UTC
[10:00] <juxta_> saturday, right?
[10:01] <jcoxon> yeah, 13/11/10
[10:01] <jcoxon> you too?
[10:01] <jonsowman> morning all
[10:02] <juxta_> jcoxon: sunday here we think
[10:02] <juxta_> is yours a floater?
[10:02] <jcoxon> okay, well if all goes well we should still be floating
[10:02] <jcoxon> though quite possibly out of range
[10:02] <juxta_> oh very cool :)
[10:02] <juxta_> got a prediction?
[10:02] <juxta_> heya jonsowman
[10:02] <jcoxon> just about to gen one
[10:02] <jcoxon> its a little early to trust it
[10:02] <juxta_> true
[10:03] <jcoxon> but its still fun :-p
[10:03] <jonsowman> hows the float predictor looking jcoxon?
[10:03] <jonsowman> hi juxta_ :)
[10:03] <jcoxon> have got it working on habhub
[10:03] <jonsowman> good stuff
[10:03] <jcoxon> without a web interface
[10:03] <jcoxon> just a single shell script really - slightly reinvented the wheel
[10:04] <jonsowman> so it's just a modified binary?
[10:04] <juxta_> doesnt the binary support float time?
[10:04] <jonsowman> juxta_: no, rjw's one doesn't
[10:05] <jonsowman> well, it does now, since jcoxon's mods :)
[10:06] <jcoxon> jonsowman, yeah i've been relearning bash
[10:06] <jonsowman> hehe
[10:06] <jonsowman> bash is great
[10:06] <jcoxon> such as checking the time of the gfs data and only downloading if its > 6hrs
[10:06] <jcoxon> taken a bit of work
[10:07] <jonsowman> did you clone a git repo and just modify stuff? or did you fork?
[10:07] <jcoxon> just a clone
[10:07] <jcoxon> got bored of messing around
[10:08] <jonsowman> cool ok
[10:08] <juxta_> oh righto, good work jcoxon :)
[10:08] <jonsowman> I will get round to including the float-predictor into the V2 web interface
[10:09] <jonsowman> not sure when, it might have to wait till the end of term
[10:10] <jonsowman> I intend to get through some of the github issues for the predictor as well over Xmas
[10:10] <jonsowman> especially the mobile browsers one
[10:10] <jonsowman> since JqueryMobile has been released and it's pretty cool :)
[10:11] <jcoxon> http://habhub.org/files/output1289658600.kml
[10:11] <jcoxon> if you stick that into the search box for maps.google.co.uk
[10:11] <jonsowman> nice :D
[10:12] <jonsowman> that's a pretty serious flight path!
[10:13] <juxta_> hmm, google here says it can't find the file :(
[10:13] <jcoxon> i think it'll swing north a bit more
[10:13] <jonsowman> http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=http:%2F%2Fhabhub.org%2Ffiles%2Foutput1289658600.kml&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=21.718578,67.631836&ie=UTF8&ll=52.689702,4.372559&spn=5.70193,16.907959&z=7
[10:13] <jonsowman> juxta_: ^^
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[10:14] <juxta_> hmm, same issue jonsowman :(
[10:15] <jonsowman> how weird
[10:15] <juxta_> indeed
[10:15] <jonsowman> http://lister.hexoc.com/alpha/float1.png
[10:15] <jcoxon> http://habhub.org/files/
[10:15] <jonsowman> well here's a screenshot
[10:18] <juxta_> oh wow
[10:18] <jcoxon> jonsowman, you up for being balloon filler master?
[10:18] <juxta_> that looks like a good flight path
[10:19] <juxta_> jcoxon, do you still have any lassen breakouts?
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[10:19] <jonsowman> jcoxon: hehe I think it's going to be a two or three person job
[10:19] <jonsowman> especially if it's windy
[10:20] <jcoxon> jonsowman, in some ways its the most important part
[10:20] <jcoxon> :-p
[10:20] <jcoxon> juxta_, i don't unfortunately
[10:20] <jonsowman> better let you do it then :D
[10:20] <jcoxon> nah
[10:20] <jcoxon> i've got a payload to make sure it working
[10:20] <jcoxon> you know last minute debugging
[10:20] <jonsowman> Adam and I will definitely be around, possibly a couple of other CUSF people too
[10:20] <jonsowman> okay cool
[10:20] <jonsowman> I'm sure we will manage
[10:20] <jcoxon> steve will be there as well
[10:20] <jonsowman> oh excellent
[10:21] <jonsowman> more pairs of hands are definitely better
[10:21] <jcoxon> we'll just take our time
[10:21] <jcoxon> find a non-windy spot
[10:21] <juxta_> no worries jcoxon - met the australian importer for trimble today and he mentioned some free modules - wanted to see if you could make use of any :)
[10:21] <jcoxon> juxta_, we could make more...
[10:21] <jcoxon> but to tell the truth i prefer ublox
[10:22] <juxta_> yeah me too
[10:22] <juxta_> but I wont turn them down for free - will let you know how it pans out :)
[10:22] <jonsowman> I could do with a couple... how much are you after for them?
[10:24] <plantain> juxta_: you got a prediction for sunday yet?
[10:24] <plantain> <Darkside>
[10:24] <juxta_> hey plantain
[10:24] <juxta_> yeah
[10:24] <juxta_> looking pretty good
[10:25] <plantain> link?
[10:25] <juxta_> near murray bridge
[10:25] <juxta_> sec
[10:25] <plantain> <Darkside> this is darkside btw
[10:25] <plantain> <Darkside> i am at plantains house
[10:25] <jcoxon> jonsowman, does cherokee heavily cache?
[10:26] <plantain> cherokee the webserver? yes, very heavily
[10:26] <jonsowman> jcoxon: yes
[10:26] <jonsowman> is it causing you issues?
[10:26] <jonsowman> its IO cache is one of its best and worst features
[10:26] <jcoxon> not too much
[10:27] <jcoxon> its just that if i gen a new kml it doesn't change :-p
[10:27] <jonsowman> oh ok
[10:27] <jonsowman> give me two seconds
[10:27] <jonsowman> I'll tell it to not cache KMLs
[10:28] <fsphil> morning!
[10:28] <jonsowman> yo fsphil
[10:28] <plantain> juxta_: ?
[10:31] <jonsowman> jcoxon: try that
[10:31] <jonsowman> it should exclude KMLs from the IO cache now
[10:32] <juxta_> hey plantain, sorry: http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=b92c67ce9c4c70134ac5f4e74f97d83c79eb8741
[10:34] <juxta_> heya jonsowman, we'll be trying the offline predictor this weekend in the chase cars :)
[10:34] <jonsowman> oo excellent
[10:34] <jonsowman> let me know how it goes
[10:34] <juxta_> shall do
[10:34] <jonsowman> this is the one you compiled in cygwin for windows right?
[10:34] <juxta_> yep
[10:34] <jcoxon> jonsowman, oh dear, oops
[10:34] <juxta_> mm delicious efficiency
[10:34] <jonsowman> jcoxon: uh oh... what have I done?
[10:34] <jonsowman> juxta_: haha :D
[10:35] <jcoxon> no its more what haven't i done...
[10:35] <jcoxon> that flight path is without float...
[10:35] <jonsowman> :o
[10:35] <jonsowman> oh...
[10:36] <juxta_> jonsowman: ever have any issues with the predictor binary locking up?
[10:37] <juxta_> I uh, never bothered to add a timeout on the process, i probably should do that
[10:37] <jonsowman> juxta_: no I haven't
[10:37] <jonsowman> it seems to just quit without warning when it comes across something it doesn't like
[10:37] <juxta_> ok, well that's good news
[10:37] <jonsowman> it's never frozen on me
[10:37] <juxta_> that's fine, i can handle that :)
[10:38] <juxta_> plantain: got a few more of those mini video cameras donated today
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[10:41] <juxta_> hey jonsowman - what times do you figure the models become available on nomads?
[10:41] <juxta_> 01:00z, 07:00z.. etc?
[10:42] <jonsowman> the dataset for a given time comes out about 5 hours after
[10:42] <juxta_> oh, righto
[10:42] <jonsowman> so the 00z model is released about 04-05z
[10:42] <jonsowman> 95% of the time anyway
[10:42] <jonsowman> sometimes they're released 6-7hours after
[10:42] <jonsowman> and sometimes never at all
[10:43] <juxta_> I'll just do 0z, 6z, 12z and 18z then
[10:43] <jonsowman> for grabbing data?
[10:43] <juxta_> i only had it going every 12 hours before but when you're looking a week ahead the new models make a big difference
[10:43] <juxta_> yeah, for the hourly jobs
[10:44] <jonsowman> I tuned this quite carefully for the hourly predictor at CUSF
[10:44] <jonsowman> give me a second
[10:44] <jonsowman> I'll find the crontab
[10:44] <juxta_> oh, brilliant :D
[10:45] <jcoxon> jonsowman, hopefully the weather will improve before sat...
[10:46] <jcoxon> will keep an eye
[10:47] <jonsowman> juxta_: I went for 05, 11, 17 and 23z
[10:47] <juxta_> ok great, thanks jonsowman
[10:47] <jonsowman> though I have a commented line with 00/06/12/18 saying "use this if it's skipping datasets"
[10:47] <juxta_> haha
[10:47] <juxta_> okie doke
[10:48] <jonsowman> jcoxon: yes, hopefully it'll improve
[10:48] <juxta_> did you use HD?
[10:48] <jonsowman> juxta_: I think it still does, yes
[10:48] <jonsowman> it's pointless though
[10:48] <juxta_> yeah, it doesnt really seem to be worth it
[10:48] <jonsowman> jcoxon: as usual we'll need to decide before 12pm on Friday
[10:48] <jonsowman> for NOTAM purposes
[10:48] <juxta_> just takes much longer to grab
[10:49] <jonsowman> juxta_: indeed, I personally wouldn't bother if I were you
[10:49] <juxta_> jonsowman: is the change just in the url generation?
[10:49] <jcoxon> jonsowman, we'll know by thurs i reckon
[10:50] <jonsowman> juxta_: https://github.com/jonsowman/cusf-standalone-predictor/blob/master/predict.py
[10:50] <jonsowman> see line 478-481
[10:50] <jonsowman> jcoxon: okay, no problem
[10:50] <jonsowman> will notify Chu of a potential launch
[10:51] <juxta_> ok cool, so that's all it is - the data format itself is unchanged?
[10:52] <jonsowman> correct
[10:53] <jonsowman> well the format changes slightly but the way the predictor is written, it automatically copes
[10:53] <juxta_> excellent :)
[10:53] <juxta_> will switch to the regular GFS data in that case then
[10:53] <jonsowman> good plan
[10:54] <Darkside> uuuurgh
[10:54] <Darkside> im tired
[10:54] <juxta_> HD vs regular GFS - is the difference just the resolution so to speak?
[10:54] <Darkside> juxta_: if it lands *in* the murray
[10:54] <Darkside> oh man
[10:55] <juxta_> ie more cells for a given area
[10:55] <juxta_> yes, that would be rather annoying
[10:55] <juxta_> but also unlikely :)
[10:55] <Darkside> haha
[10:55] <Darkside> also how am i going to communicate between chase cars >_>
[10:55] <Darkside> how many people will be in the lonely planet car?
[10:55] <juxta_> oh I'm sure we'll work something out ;)
[10:55] <jonsowman> juxta_: there are many, many differences, but the main one that matters to us is the "vertical resolution"
[10:56] <jonsowman> GFS like 26 levels up through the atmosphere
[10:56] <juxta_> Darkside, I think Tony, Chris + his girlfriend
[10:56] <jonsowman> each containing the wind speed and direction for that level
[10:56] <jonsowman> whereas HD has 47
[10:56] <juxta_> ah right - got it :)
[10:56] <Darkside> juxta_: who?
[10:56] <juxta_> potentially twice as much data then I guess
[10:56] <jonsowman> juxta_: the "Information" bit in the readme here has some links if you want to know more
[10:56] <jonsowman> https://github.com/jonsowman/cusf-standalone-predictor
[10:57] <juxta_> Darkside: lonely planet people
[10:57] <juxta_> the car is a prius, so it will be even less off road capable than mine ;p
[10:57] <Darkside> >_>
[10:57] <Darkside> oh yay
[10:57] <Darkside> also i hope i have 3G reception the whole way..
[10:58] <juxta_> oh right, thanks jonsowman - I'd read that but never noticed the links
[10:58] <juxta_> will have a read
[10:58] <jonsowman> :)
[10:58] <Darkside> juxta_: soooooo, communication between cars?
[10:58] <juxta_> i'm sure it'll be fine Darkside, it's probably along freeway the whole way
[10:58] <Darkside> how will i talk to you about whats going on >_>
[10:59] <juxta_> uhf cb or maybe another band, I'll be there in spirit as a second operator to oversee you :)
[10:59] <jcoxon> hehe check out this:
[11:00] <jcoxon> http://maps.google.com/?q=http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/receivers.php&t=p
[11:00] <jcoxon> all the people who have run dl-fldigi and put in their coords
[11:00] <jonsowman> gnome terminal link fail -.-
[11:00] <Darkside> pff
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[11:00] <jonsowman> jcoxon: that's pretty cool
[11:01] <juxta_> Darkside, actually I think UHF CB is about the best we can do, even if we used another band power would be the issue as you'll be handheld I guess... we'll probably stay very close though i think
[11:02] <Darkside> ok
[11:02] <jcoxon> jonsowman, what time is xaben launch tomorrow?
[11:02] <Darkside> i'll probably get the lonely planet guys to tail you anyway
[11:02] <jonsowman> about 1500GMT
[11:02] <juxta_> of course we shoull have mobile coverage
[11:02] <jcoxon> why so late?
[11:02] <juxta_> should*
[11:02] <jcoxon> it'll be nearly dark
[11:02] <jonsowman> it might be slightly earlier
[11:02] <jcoxon> or is that the point?
[11:02] <jonsowman> Randomskk and I are busy all morning
[11:02] <Darkside> also i've got two others that were interested in coming along for the chase, and they have a car
[11:03] <Darkside> a freaking subaru WRX...
[11:03] <Darkside> but its a car
[11:03] <jonsowman> it might be nearer 2pm
[11:03] <jonsowman> Steve is going to turn up and get ready, and Randomskk and I will just turn up, notify the tower, watch the launch, then disappear
[11:03] <Darkside> and they'd probably just tail whatever car i'm in >_>
[11:03] <juxta_> do we know them?
[11:03] <jcoxon> jonsowman, i'll setup my home radio
[11:03] <jcoxon> for people to play with
[11:04] <jcoxon> though it'll probably be out of range
[11:04] <jonsowman> jcoxon: that'd be cool
[11:04] <jonsowman> we will track from college once we're home
[11:04] <juxta_> we may need to be a bit careful about the amount of people coming, so far we have lots and lots of people who've said they'll come Darkside
[11:04] <jonsowman> though we only have a whip currently
[11:04] Action: fsphil will try tracking although didn't have much luck with the last floater
[11:04] <juxta_> we might move the launch site to the local oval if the weather permits
[11:04] <Darkside> ahhh
[11:04] <Darkside> i'll let them know
[11:04] <jonsowman> jcoxon: we'll try and get the trackatron with the yagi up at CUED for your launch
[11:05] <jcoxon> yeah that would be great
[11:05] <jcoxon> right will bbl
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[11:05] <fsphil> I so wanna build one of those
[11:05] <jonsowman> fsphil: do it :D
[11:05] <jonsowman> ours is completely magic now
[11:06] <jonsowman> automatically downloads balloon positions from the listener and points the yagi at the balloon
[11:06] <jonsowman> we just sit there and smile
[11:06] <jonsowman> :D
[11:06] <fsphil> I've loads of motors and bits, though I suspect I'd need a stepper motor
[11:06] <Darkside> jonsowman: i was going to do that :P
[11:06] <Darkside> dammit
[11:06] <Darkside> i have a 24dBi dish for 900MHZ i can borrow from uni :P
[11:06] <jonsowman> 24!
[11:06] <jonsowman> wow
[11:06] <Darkside> they used to use it for radar experiments, now they dont use it anymore
[11:07] <Darkside> wel, i dunno if its 24dB for 900MHZ
[11:07] <Darkside> its the same size as a 2.4GHZ 24dBi dish
[11:07] <jonsowman> fsphil: you could get away with a normal geared down motor and an encoder/other feedback system
[11:07] <Darkside> but has a 900MHZ dipole on it
[11:07] <jonsowman> might be more effort than it's worth though
[11:07] <fsphil> yea agreed
[11:07] <Darkside> and is mounted on 2 stepper motors,
[11:07] <jonsowman> nice
[11:07] <jonsowman> Darkside: remove the dish and stick a yagi on there
[11:07] <jonsowman> hehe
[11:07] <fsphil> jonsowman, would it be quick enough to track the iss?
[11:08] <jonsowman> probably
[11:08] <jonsowman> it can shift pretty fast when it wants
[11:08] <fsphil> sweet
[11:08] <jonsowman> I don't know if it's ever been tried
[11:08] <jonsowman> we didn't build the rotator unit though
[11:08] <jonsowman> it's an off-the-shelf uni
[11:08] <jonsowman> *unit
[11:09] <fsphil> direct drive or geared?
[11:10] <jonsowman> I think geared, but I'm not sure - eroomde will know
[11:13] <fsphil> would be tricky enough to build
[11:13] <Darkside> should takea pic of the one at uni
[11:14] <Darkside> its direct driven too
[11:14] <fsphil> I'm not sure how I could make the alt move without a gear
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[11:39] <jonsowman> bbl
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[12:52] <NigeySWales> meh cant find any 220ohm resistors :/
[12:52] <juxta_> what do you need them for NigeySWales?
[12:53] <juxta_> you can probably just use something else that's in the right sort of ballpark
[12:53] <NigeySWales> im going through 1 of the arduino tutorials, the 12 led fade in / out
[12:53] <juxta_> I don't know it - is there a link to a schematic?
[12:54] <NigeySWales> yup 2 secs ill find it
[12:55] <NigeySWales> http://arduino.cc/en/Tutorial/AnalogWriteMega
[12:57] <juxta_> okay, you can substitute something else instead
[12:58] <juxta_> do you have anything sort of close on hand?
[12:58] <juxta_> (say maybe 330, 390, 470 ohm)
[12:59] <NigeySWales> let me check, i had a pack given to me yesterday but ive no idea on values, didnt check 2 secs....most of them are blue if that helps..lol
[12:59] <juxta_> heh - the bands on them is what you're interested in
[13:00] <NigeySWales> oki, i got a colour code sheet, let me see if my maths is ok lol
[13:00] <juxta_> you can always use a multimeter to check them too
[13:01] <NigeySWales> oh.. now that i can do, brb! thisll be fun theres only 10 packs..lol
[13:15] <NigeySWales> eugh knew i shouldve got digital multimeter
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[13:56] <fsphil> yea definitely, an essential
[14:00] <Laurenceb> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11704599
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[14:11] <fsphil> is it just me, or is shotwell is rubbish? (the photo manager for gnome)
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[14:11] <Laurenceb> never heard of it
[14:12] <Laurenceb> i have eye of gnome
[14:12] <Laurenceb> and gimp
[14:14] <fsphil> Shotwell tried to import and organise photos, but it seems to miss about half the photos on the card
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[16:28] <NigeySWales> hey astr2001uk
[16:28] <astr2001uk> Hi
[16:31] <NigeySWales> how's things ?
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[16:43] <NigeySWales> hm found a nokia 5110 for 7 quid, they can be used for telemetry backup ?
[16:44] <DanielRichman> yes, but you will find it very difficult to do
[16:44] <DanielRichman> afaik it doesn't have a pin that you can send AT commands to
[16:45] <DanielRichman> FBUS & MBUS only (Nokia's crazystuff)
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[16:45] <NigeySWales> oh, oki scrap that then lol, just saw 1 on ebay and remembered it was used on a mission i saw on ukhas
[16:45] <DanielRichman> if someone's done it you can ask them; I might be wrong
[16:45] <NigeySWales> just looking for the page now to see how they got it to work on pegasus
[16:46] <futurity> Hi, does anyone know if the launch is still on for tomorrow?
[16:47] <DanielRichman> futurity: jonsowman might know for sure. I think it is though.
[16:47] <futurity> Cool
[16:47] <futurity> i should be able to listen in tomorrow afternoon
[16:47] <jonsowman> futurity: yes it's happening unless Something Bad happens
[16:48] <jonsowman> launch will be between 2-3pm
[16:48] <futurity> jonsowman: thanks for letting me know, i may need some help if the software needs updating to decode the signals?
[16:49] <jonsowman> the original plan was the launch the XABEN payload in dl-fldigi
[16:49] <jonsowman> I'm not sure if that's still the case
[16:49] <NigeySWales> jonsowman, how far away can someone be with a reciever to track the flight ?
[16:49] <jonsowman> if RocketBoy appears on here, ask him
[16:49] <jonsowman> NigeySWales: depends on many things
[16:49] <jonsowman> if you're high up and have a Yagi and a good radio, you may well hear it from where you are
[16:49] <jonsowman> I can't really say for sure
[16:50] <NigeySWales> okies, i'd fail on the altitude bit, i think where i am is only about 80m above sea level :(
[16:50] <fsphil> a clear view of the south-east horizon and you should be fine to track
[16:51] <fsphil> but only when it's about > 15km
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[16:51] <fsphil> altitude
[16:51] <NigeySWales> interesting
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[16:51] <jonsowman> oops...
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[16:52] <jonsowman> better.
[16:52] <fsphil> I'll be at work but the radio is setup to work remotely
[16:52] <DanielRichman> if you're going to have Chanserv change the topic you don't need to op yourself
[16:52] <jonsowman> I swear I tried it and Chanserv complained that I wasn't an op
[16:53] <jonsowman> maybe I Did It Wrong
[16:53] <fsphil> as long as you've identified it should let you
[16:53] <jonsowman> will try it again next time
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[16:53] <DanielRichman> like that
[16:53] <jonsowman> hmm
[16:53] <jonsowman> ok
[16:53] <DanielRichman> (gotta be consistent with the separators)
[16:53] <DanielRichman> and there's a double space in there but I cba changing that too :P
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[16:54] <jonsowman> lol
[16:54] Action: DanielRichman goes back to writing alien2 code
[16:54] <jonsowman> brb
[16:55] <DanielRichman> I've mega over complicated it and I'm not sure it will be worth it, but meh
[16:55] <fsphil> heh, you should see the hadie code
[16:57] <DanielRichman> let me fix these typos and push some of this stuff
[16:58] <NigeySWales> i havemt even got as far as code yet :/
[16:58] <fsphil> all in good time :)
[16:59] <NigeySWales> yup, im happy with my breadboard, the mega and some tutprials for now, cant run before you can walk...
[16:59] <NigeySWales> cant spell either today eugh !
[17:16] <Hiena> Sometimes, you have to run before walk.
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[17:44] <DanielRichman> fsphil: https://github.com/danielrichman/alien/tree/temporary/alien2/xmegaa4/radio/ all that and it doesn't actually... do anything yet
[17:53] <DanielRichman> by default it sits spouting telemetry on various modes and occasionally listening for an uplink; there are two functions through which alterations to the rotation can be inserted; radio_stream_queue queues up some sort of data to be sent with whatever mode was in use at the time (e.g., ssdv), and radio_mode_queue queues up an unusual mode to be used (e.g., sstv)
[17:59] <fsphil> very nice - that should make things a lot easier in the long run
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[18:01] <DanielRichman> I don't know if it works yet :P
[18:02] <DanielRichman> I'll just fill in the rtty & domex bits and give it a run. Hoping to be able to show off multi-mode ness on wednesday
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[18:27] <fsphil> woo, pwm works
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[18:47] <NigeySWales> blimey 109quid for a 70cm yagi :|
[18:48] <jonsowman> NigeySWales: what?! where's that from? which one?
[18:48] <NigeySWales> 20922 Tonna 70cm (ATV) (434 - 440MHz) 21 el Yagi
[18:49] <NigeySWales> http://www.radioworld.co.uk/catalog/20922-tonna-70cm-440mhz-yagi-p-2326.html
[18:49] <jonsowman> well, 21el is huge
[18:49] <jonsowman> do you need such a massive one?
[18:49] <NigeySWales> looks it too lol.. i think maybe not, smaller will be fine!
[18:50] <jonsowman> try a 9-11el one
[18:50] <NigeySWales> 9-11 oki will look some up tnx jon
[18:50] <GW8RAK_> Crossed yagis are quite useful if you ever want to pick up satellite transmissions.
[18:51] <fsphil> This one is also good: http://www.radioworld.co.uk/catalog/a430s10r-diamond-430440mhz-70cm-yagi-p-3962.html
[18:51] <jonsowman> NigeySWales: that one that fsphil mentions is excellent
[18:51] <GW8RAK_> I've got one of the 21 ele yagis, but it is big.
[18:51] <jonsowman> I recommend that too
[18:51] <NigeySWales> ah thanks jon, within budget to :D
[18:52] <NigeySWales> GW8RAK, its looks gigantic !!
[18:52] <GW8RAK_> I think it's about 5m long
[18:52] <GW8RAK_> And there's a lot of windage on a rotator
[18:53] <NigeySWales> :o
[18:53] <GW8RAK_> http://www.moonraker.eu/Amateur-Radio/Beam-Antennas/Crossed-Yagi
[18:53] <eroomde> NigeySWales: if you want to let your inner antenna nerd run free, you can phase smaller yagis together side by side to make the effect of a single larger one
[18:54] <NigeySWales> oh now that sounds like a fun idea!!
[18:54] <eroomde> some people take this idea to heart and create vast antenna arrays to do 'EME' - earth-moon-earth - where they blast high power at the moon and listen for the signals that bounce off
[18:54] <eroomde> http://www.w5un.net/EME%20Array.JPG
[18:55] <GW8RAK_> Some people say Moonraker are not great, and if you have the money, try a 19ele cushcraft at £239
[18:55] <eroomde> needless to say, you can probably get away without this kind of rig for high altitude ballooning
[18:55] <NigeySWales> bloody hell! .. scuse the french thats mahoosive!!!!!
[18:56] <fsphil> the most important thing for hab'ing is line-of-sight
[18:56] <GW8RAK_> There's an American who uses a surplus 4" gun mounting as a rotator for his dish!
[18:56] <NigeySWales> :o now thats extremely worrying, where did the gun go?! lol
[18:57] <GW8RAK_> You'll probably find 10dB gain is enough for most HAB'ing. And a wide bandwidth so steering doesn't have to be too precise.
[18:57] <eroomde> it's america
[18:57] <GW8RAK_> From the picturs I've seen, it looks like he has just shoved the dish support down the barrel.
[18:57] <SpeedEvil> eroomde: That looks like it comes from the age of sail.
[18:58] <NigeySWales> lol
[18:58] <eroomde> or one of those world war two radars
[18:58] <GW8RAK_> EME has got considerably easier over the years with low noise preamps and digital signal processing. There was a report a couple of years ago of one station having just a simple 2m beam and relatively low power.
[18:59] <NigeySWales> i was going to pick up the aor that was on ebay but auction ended at 8am :(
[18:59] <eroomde> NigeySWales: whilst obviously buying one initially means you've got something proven and working, they're not that hard to build and it's very much cheaper to do it that way
[19:00] <eroomde> so once you've got one, you could make a weekend project of a huge one
[19:00] <NigeySWales> definately something i'd like to try
[19:00] <eroomde> there are some really good free software programs that generate dimensions and building instructiosn for you when you input the number of elements and so on that you want
[19:01] <GW8RAK_> You could try http://www.g6lvb.com/HomebrewArrow.htm
[19:01] <GW8RAK_> Cheap and easy.
[19:02] <eroomde> Doug Ellison had the receiving distance record with his OTS arrow
[19:02] <NigeySWales> tnx guys i'll take a good look, seems fairly doable with some not to expensive materials
[19:02] <eroomde> for a while anyway
[19:03] <GW8RAK_> I'd certainly recommend wood for the boom. It's easy to work and if varnished or painted it will easily last 10 years outdoors.
[19:03] <GW8RAK_> Hardwood of course. Something like beech.
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[19:04] <fsphil> hehe, love that arrow
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[19:05] <NigeySWales> i got quite alot of wood here from redoing the shed roof
[19:06] <eroomde> hmm, i've noticed the irc channel logs seem to actually appear on the front page of google now for various search queries
[19:06] <eroomde> i should stop being so rude about things
[19:07] <SpeedEvil> :)
[19:08] <NigeySWales> uhoh time to stop asking all my dumb questions then
[19:08] <GW8RAK_> Welcome to the club. I've asked many dumb questions.
[19:09] <NigeySWales> i'm sure ive got a ton more too lol
[19:09] <eroomde> dumb question rate almost always correlates with likelihood of success!
[19:10] <NigeySWales> i was thinking far ahead last night about where i would launch from, im smack bang in the middle of cardiff city center :(
[19:10] <GW8RAK_> In that case I'm guaranteed!
[19:10] <NigeySWales> snap!
[19:11] <eroomde> If you can face the transnational trek to cambridge, you'd be more than welcome to launch at our site
[19:12] <NigeySWales> its certainly possible, definately have to be a weekend though, probably a saturday.
[19:13] <eroomde> suits us
[19:13] <eroomde> lectures during the week
[19:14] <NigeySWales> awsome :D .. not sure what kind of eta im looking at, but most of the hardware should have arrived by the end of next week, and my c programmer is confident the coding is fairl straightforward, he spent 2 hours fiddling with the mega last night
[19:15] <eroomde> have you come across our hourly predictor? cuspaceflight.co.uk/hourly-predictions
[19:16] <NigeySWales> oh no, thats new to me, let me take a look...
[19:16] <GW8RAK_> That will provide hours of fun.
[19:16] <eroomde> you set it up with a flight profile (it's currently set up with a fairly typical one) and it shows you the locus of landing spots if you were to launch each hour, on the hour, for the next five days
[19:16] <eroomde> it's basically a 'week at a glance' for seeing if there's a flight window
[19:17] <eroomde> so when you're think you're ready to make a go of it you can start watching that to see if it looks like there's a launch opportunity on the horizon
[19:17] <NigeySWales> thats an amazing piece of coding right there!
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[19:17] <jcoxon> evening all
[19:17] <eroomde> needless to say the next five days are pretty dire!
[19:17] <NigeySWales> id perferably like to not have to hire a boat to get my payload back .. i get sea sick lol !
[19:18] <NigeySWales> evening jcoxon
[19:18] <eroomde> but often you get a lovely bunching over east anglia
[19:18] <eroomde> hi jcoxon
[19:18] <fsphil> NigeySWales, it's been done before too ;-)
[19:18] <fsphil> hullo jcoxon
[19:18] <jcoxon> hey NigeySWales eroomde fsphil
[19:18] <NigeySWales> i saw, on hohoho-1 ?
[19:18] <fsphil> yea
[19:18] <NigeySWales> crazy stuff, but he got it back !
[19:19] <griffonbot> Received email: baldy <craighammondphotography@live.co.uk> "complete beginner!"
[19:19] <NigeySWales> my main concern with launching from south wales was the bristol channel
[19:20] <eroomde> i think the ukhas mailing list email should be ReadTheBloodyFAQFirst!@ukhas.org.uk
[19:21] <eroomde> (re the email griffonbot just pinged about)
[19:22] <fsphil> regarding re-using a tethered balloon is a good one -- is that possible?
[19:22] <eroomde> tis possible. they degrade in UV and so on though
[19:22] <eroomde> jcoxon, rocketboy and I did (about 4 years ago scarily enough jcoxon) some tests dropping parafoilsed vehicles from a tethered balloon
[19:22] <eroomde> it gave up about mid afternoon
[19:24] <jcoxon> eek
[19:24] <fsphil> ooh that's not long
[19:24] <jcoxon> that long ago
[19:24] <fsphil> (the balloon not the years ago ;-)
[19:29] <jcoxon> eroomde, with the current prediction for my saturday floater you'll be well placed to pick up...
[19:29] <eroomde> lol
[19:29] <eroomde> indeed
[19:31] <GW8RAK_> Is there a particular Arduino board which people would recommend?
[19:32] <jcoxon> i personally perfer the 3.3v versions
[19:32] <eroomde> you might find 16k a bit crumbed too
[19:32] <jcoxon> just cause they are easier to inteface with stuff
[19:32] <eroomde> crampt*
[19:32] <GW8RAK_> I don't want to have to learn C, but if I have to for future projects then so be it.
[19:32] <jcoxon> yeah get a atmega328 version
[19:32] <eroomde> but i think all the new ones have at least 32k of flash
[19:33] <jcoxon> eroomde, pub weds night?
[19:33] <eroomde> sure lets
[19:33] <eroomde> somewhere near arundel?
[19:33] <jcoxon> yeah
[19:33] <eroomde> cool
[19:35] <jcoxon> i had a good meal in the swan in arundel about a month ago
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[19:36] <eroomde> there are a few goddies nestled in and around the downs there as well
[19:36] <eroomde> like houghton
[19:36] <eroomde> and amberly
[19:36] <eroomde> goodies*
[19:36] <jcoxon> not fussed really
[19:36] <jcoxon> take your pick
[19:37] <eroomde> h'ok. will be spontaneous and decide on weds
[19:37] <jcoxon> okeydokey
[19:37] <eroomde> maybe the bridge Inn in amberly
[19:37] <NigeySWales> hmm should my new soldering iron have smoke soming from the handle? lol
[19:37] <eroomde> ok going to grab something to eat
[19:37] <NigeySWales> coming*
[19:38] Action: jcoxon is debating whether to make his payload box smaller as their is lots of space inside
[19:38] <jcoxon> there*
[19:38] <eroomde> NigeySWales: if it's brand brand new it might be some crud and oil burning off
[19:38] <eroomde> if it persists, consult a doctor
[19:38] Action: jcoxon ducks
[19:38] <NigeySWales> lol cheers might be cause its new, ill go turn it back on and hide :|
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[19:54] <jcoxon> fsphil, its probably time we did a release of dl-fldigi
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[20:01] <fsphil> indeed
[20:01] <fsphil> although I still get the odd crash, haven't been able to track it dow
[20:01] <fsphil> +n
[20:06] <jcoxon> hmmm do i really need a backup beacon...
[20:06] <eroomde> yeeeeah
[20:07] <eroomde> hellshreiber ftw
[20:07] <jcoxon> solar panel instead of battery pack
[20:07] <jcoxon> so it'll work for ever during daylight?
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[20:08] <fsphil> if it lands the right way up
[20:13] <eroomde> quite :)
[20:14] <eroomde> solar + battery wouldn't be a bad thing. must confess I don't know much about solar and battery power/charge management
[20:14] <eroomde> might be an interesting thing to read up on
[20:14] <fsphil> oooh rtty over led almost works ;-) led isn't bright enough, or solar cell isn't sensitive enough
[20:20] <eroomde> fsphil: why!?
[20:20] <eroomde> megahurtz for little girls, terrorhurtz are the new black?
[20:20] <eroomde> tera*
[20:21] <eroomde> my previos hobby of robotwars means i autopilot to 'terror'hurtz
[20:21] <fsphil> ooh was watching that earlier, hypnodisk destroying some poor guys hard work
[20:21] <fsphil> happy days
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[20:35] <DanielRichman> jcoxon: iirc you've got some morse on arduino code?
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[20:39] <DanielRichman> ooh actually hellschreiber - didn't your backup beacon code do both?
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[20:53] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, indeed i do
[20:53] <jcoxon> though the timing is a little off
[20:53] <jcoxon> and i couldn't seem to get it right
[20:54] <jcoxon> is http://m6jcx.no-ip.org/dl-fldigi-XMLRPC/index.html working for people?
[20:55] <LazyLeopard> Seems to show something potentially useful.
[20:55] <jcoxon> cool
[20:55] <jcoxon> no-ip was playing up earlier
[20:57] <NigeySWales> could you guys make use of the space / resources on my dedicated server? i only have a single website running from there, its idle most of the time, seems a waste
[20:58] <jcoxon> NigeySWales, thank you for the offer - we've actually now got a dedicated server
[20:59] <eroomde> V kind offer NigeySWales. habhub.org is actually precisely that
[20:59] <NigeySWales> oki no worries, i jus hate seing it idle lol
[21:00] <jcoxon> anyone willing to cast an eye over my hellschreiber code and tell me what i'm doing wrong
[21:00] <eroomde> link it up
[21:01] <eroomde> what's it doing wrong?
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[21:04] <jcoxon> eroomde, http://pastebin.com/X7bhffbp
[21:04] <jcoxon> the slant is quite off
[21:04] <NigeySWales> eroomde, thanks for the habhub link, the burst calculator looks extremely useful
[21:05] <jcoxon> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jcoxon77/4741757883/in/set-72157624376182662/
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[21:06] <DanielRichman> jcoxon: cool, I'll have a play with that code :)
[21:07] <DanielRichman> I intend to use morse to announce mode changes and to use hellschreiber because it's just so damn cool
[21:13] <eroomde> jcoxon: can only assume the timing issues are hidden somewhere in lines 191 and 192
[21:13] <eroomde> now i've had my own problems with arduino's delay routines and have ended up writing my own interrupt based one using the onboard timer
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[21:15] <jcoxon> yeah i guess an interrupt version wouldn't be too hard
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[21:25] <jcoxon> i'll rig it up tonight and see whats going on
[21:30] <NigeySWales> jcoxon, did you get chance to see if you had the lassen breakout?
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[21:38] <jcoxon> NigeySWales, yup i do
[21:39] <NigeySWales> oo, is it needed or may i purchase it from you? :D
[21:40] <jcoxon> yeah you can have it
[21:40] <jcoxon> i don't plan on using it
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[21:40] <NigeySWales> brill, thank you !
[21:40] <griffonbot> Received email: SebSahlin <seb.sailorboy@gmail.com> "GPS/Balloon tracing help"
[21:40] <jonsowman> guys the launch tomorrow is only going to be a CW beacon I think
[21:40] <fsphil> huh?
[21:41] <jonsowman> no GPS
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[21:41] <jonsowman> as it's probably going in the sea
[21:41] <jonsowman> I don't know any more than that - just what I've heard from RocketBoy
[21:41] <jonsowman> he'd like people to track though
[21:41] <jonsowman> I'll email the UKHAS list in a sec
[21:42] <jcoxon> its the pegasus III beacon
[21:42] <jcoxon> the first airbourne radio in the UK HAB history
[21:42] <jonsowman> brb
[21:43] <fsphil> still in the ukhas format?
[21:46] <jcoxon> don't think so
[21:47] <jonsowman> I've no idea
[21:47] <jonsowman> I'm hoping Steve appears on here some point tonight
[21:53] <eroomde> he's at ears
[21:53] <eroomde> well actually i guess that will have finished now
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[21:54] <fsphil> hmm... rtty over led only works at 50 baud
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[21:56] <griffonbot> Received email: Jon Sowman <jon.sowman@gmail.com> "Re: Potential XABEN Launch - Monday 8th November"
[21:56] <fsphil> hopefully fldigi's cw modem is up to the challange :)
[21:58] <jcoxon> right backup beacon hardware is complete
[21:59] <jonsowman> jcoxon: what did you decide on in the end?
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[21:59] <jcoxon> 2xAA
[22:00] <jcoxon> atmega168 on stripboard with a ntx2 434.650
[22:01] <jonsowman> nice
[22:01] <jonsowman> hellschreiber?
[22:01] <jcoxon> and morse
[22:01] <jonsowman> :)
[22:04] <griffonbot> Received email: Si <sp2432@googlemail.com> "Re: complete beginner!"
[22:06] <griffonbot> Received email: Florian Bruhin <me@the-compiler.org> "Re: complete beginner!"
[22:06] <jonsowman> oh bum
[22:06] <jonsowman> uh... wrong window
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[22:21] <jcoxon> its alive!
[22:23] <eroomde> wassat??
[22:23] <jcoxon> oh the backup beacon
[22:26] <fsphil> oh wow, the new gnome calculator is rubbish
[22:28] <Randomskk> install qualculate
[22:28] <Randomskk> bugger
[22:28] <Randomskk> I mean
[22:28] <Randomskk> qalculate
[22:28] <Randomskk> stupid spelling
[22:28] <Randomskk> it's really really good
[22:29] <eroomde> and spectacularly ugly
[22:29] <eroomde> http://qalculate.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html
[22:29] <Randomskk> can solve equations, factorise expressions, graph things, work out units of physical equations
[22:29] <Randomskk> I think that's just someone with a godawful theme
[22:32] <griffonbot> Received email: Nick Leaton <nickle@gmail.com> "Re: complete beginner!"
[22:33] <jonsowman> that's an awesome theme <3
[22:35] <fsphil> a bit harsh on the eye!
[22:35] <jonsowman> hehe
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[22:43] <eroomde> jcoxon: keen for some february launches next year?
[22:43] <eroomde> i'm having wistful memories
[22:43] <eroomde> or 30 second shifts working on the payload before fingers became unusable
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[22:45] <jcoxon> i've got gloves now
[22:45] <jcoxon> haha!
[22:45] <jcoxon> eroomde, i'm always keen for launches
[22:46] <eroomde> aye
[22:46] <jcoxon> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jcoxon77/5156135280/
[22:46] <jcoxon> hehe
[22:50] <jonsowman> jcoxon: neat
[22:50] <jcoxon> just need to fix the code :-)
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[22:54] <fsphil> pwm from the avr can be received quite nicely on the ft-817, but even the harmonics are quite strong - can be received all the way up to 70cm
[22:54] <griffonbot> Received email: James Coxon <jacoxon@gmail.com> "Re: Potential XABEN Launch - Monday 8th November"
[22:54] <jonsowman> good stuff jcoxon
[22:56] <jcoxon> hourly predicts suggest potential land landing rather than sea
[22:57] <jonsowman> tomorrow?
[22:57] <jcoxon> yeah
[22:57] <jonsowman> Hmm
[22:57] <jonsowman> perhaps send Steve and email and notify him
[22:57] <jonsowman> he'll probably fly XABEN if he can retrieve
[22:57] <jcoxon> it is tight though
[22:57] <jonsowman> which will be more interesting to track
[22:58] <jcoxon> hmmm to tight really
[22:58] <jcoxon> shame my beacon is down here
[22:58] <jcoxon> could easily add gps to it in about 3 minutes
[22:58] <Randomskk> we have ferret but jon doesn't want it to get a bit wet
[22:59] <jonsowman> oh we could.. but it's a bit of a waste
[22:59] <Randomskk> it is
[22:59] <Randomskk> a little pointless
[22:59] <jonsowman> a lot of work went into the case especially
[22:59] <Randomskk> probably woudln't fly that case, certainly
[22:59] <jcoxon> nah stick to the beacon
[22:59] <Randomskk> but it would be sad to send ferret to a watery grave
[22:59] <jonsowman> it would
[22:59] <jonsowman> drowning ferrets is generally frowned upon
[22:59] <jcoxon> indeed
[22:59] <jcoxon> right night all
[23:00] <jonsowman> night jcoxon
[23:00] <Randomskk> seeya
[23:00] <jcoxon> will follow on twitter tomorrow
[23:00] <jcoxon> have to work
[23:00] <jonsowman> will keep twitter and #highaltitude updated
[23:00] <jonsowman> though twitter is easier from phones
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[23:11] <eroomde> mmm i'd rather you didn't fly that payload case into the sea
[23:11] <eroomde> took me ages
[23:11] <jonsowman> hehe
[23:11] <eroomde> sadly longer than it took you guys to build a working flight computer
[23:11] <eroomde> guess i'm not the fastest
[23:12] <jonsowman> but it's a very nice case
[23:12] <jonsowman> whereas ferret is super-hacky
[23:12] <Laurenceb> discussing launch next saturday?
[23:15] <jonsowman> we were discussing adding a gps tracking system to the launch tomorrow
[23:15] <jonsowman> but since it's probably going in the sea, probably better not
[23:15] <NigeySWales> dam jcoxon left :(
[23:16] <Laurenceb> oh 2morrow
[23:16] <Laurenceb> cancelled then?
[23:16] <jonsowman> it'll just a CW beacon
[23:16] <jonsowman> no GPS
[23:16] <jonsowman> s/just/just be/
[23:16] <Laurenceb> next weekedn is still on awaiting a better forecast at least?
[23:16] <Laurenceb> oh ok
[23:17] <Laurenceb> hmm what time launch?
[23:17] <jonsowman> hopefully next weekend will be OK for james' launch
[23:17] <jonsowman> tomorrow, about 1400-1500GMT (see topic)
[23:17] <jonsowman> on saturday, probably about the same time
[23:17] <jonsowman> I'm not sure on that though, best ask james
[23:17] <Laurenceb> i could probably receive at work.... dont have a yagi tho
[23:18] <jonsowman> it's not going to be very interesting telemetry
[23:18] <jonsowman> we can try and DF it though
[23:18] <Laurenceb> ntx2 i presume?
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[23:18] <jonsowman> I don't know
[23:18] <jonsowman> I haven't been told anything about the payload really
[23:18] <jonsowman> ask RocketBoy if he appears :)
[23:18] <Laurenceb> ah
[23:19] Action: Laurenceb gets out the rf link budget calculator
[23:23] <Laurenceb> looks like i get about -117dBm
[23:23] <Laurenceb> with my moxon ant
[23:24] <eroomde> why is everyone following my tweets!? I've never tweeted!
[23:24] <eroomde> jonsowman and dan bowen today. how do they find it?
[23:24] <eroomde> this is all baffling
[23:24] <jonsowman> twitter suggested you
[23:24] <jonsowman> i was logged into the cuspaceflight account at the time
[23:25] <jonsowman> it's all twitter's fault.
[23:27] <eroomde> ah right
[23:27] <eroomde> how confusing
[23:28] <eroomde> well, maybe i could pretend to be a buddhist monk
[23:28] <eroomde> people subscribe to my silent tweets
[23:28] <jonsowman> an excellent idea
[23:28] <Laurenceb> http://www.i1wqrlinkradio.com/antype/ch29/chiave1622.htm
[23:28] <Laurenceb> nearly 12dBi ?!
[23:28] <Laurenceb> am i reading that right?
[23:29] <jonsowman> impressive
[23:29] <jonsowman> that's a lot of gain for a coat hangar
[23:29] <Laurenceb> thats what ive got
[23:29] <Laurenceb> well, copper wire
[23:29] <Laurenceb> and sandwiched into some plastic board
[23:30] <Laurenceb> more like -110dBm then, should see something on the cc1020 sdr
[23:30] <eroomde> yeah but look at the elevation profile!!
[23:30] <Laurenceb> heh
[23:31] <eroomde> wouldn't make the best hab antenna is if was statically mounted
[23:31] <jonsowman> true
[23:32] <jonsowman> right, I'm off. night all
[23:32] <eroomde> see you
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[23:38] <NigeySWales> hey juxta
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[23:47] <juxta> hey NigeySWales
[23:50] <NigeySWales> just thinking out loud for a mo ... lassen gps board from jcoxon specifies 2 places for a resistor depending on txa or txb im assuming i need txb that he;s labeled for nmea?
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