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[00:07] <Laurenceb> so ferrite -> vga -> crystal -> gain stage -> adc sampled at a few khz
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[09:15] <NigeySWales> morning all
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[12:19] <Darkside> ping ju
[12:19] <Darkside> bah
[12:20] <Darkside> i always just do <first 2 letters of nick><TAB> and hope for the best
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[12:32] <NigeySWales> hehe hey DarkCow
[12:32] <NigeySWales> err Darkside
[12:33] <Darkside> hi
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[12:38] <NigeySWales> my bank are a pain
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[12:43] <NigeySWales> hey astr2001uk
[12:44] <astr2001uk> hi !
[12:44] <astr2001uk> any progress?
[12:44] <NigeySWales> not much, i forgot to save your email address, was going to send you some links
[12:44] <astr2001uk> ah k!
[12:44] <NigeySWales> was expecting my arduino today but royal mail taking forever as usual
[12:44] <astr2001uk> wich one did you go for?
[12:45] <NigeySWales> the mega 2560
[12:45] <NigeySWales> from earthshine
[12:45] <astr2001uk> ah ye k
[12:46] <astr2001uk> i will be purchasing my bits on monday once we have a 'team meeting'!
[12:46] <NigeySWales> great stuff :D have you decided on a gps module yet ?
[12:48] <astr2001uk> yeah prob gonna be the lassen iq one
[12:49] <NigeySWales> snap, you might be interested in this then ....
[12:49] <NigeySWales> http://www.adafruit.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=17_21&products_id=98
[12:51] <astr2001uk> that looks interesting
[12:52] <NigeySWales> yup, i was going to add a sdcard anyway so mayaswell use that to add sd and gps
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[13:40] <box> h
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[13:52] <NigeySWales> i
[13:52] <NigeySWales> :p
[13:54] <russss> meh, shuttle launch got scrubbed again due to a hydrogen leak
[13:54] <russss> lots of moving parts in those things
[13:55] <NigeySWales> again :|
[13:55] <NigeySWales> i got a bad feeling about this launch
[13:59] <NigeySWales> hmmz the GUCP .. isnt that the SAME place they fixed a leak a couple of launches back?
[14:01] <russss> well remembered!
[14:02] <russss> same orbiter too (not that it matters since the GUCP is on the ET)
[14:02] <russss> but apparently it appears to be a different issue
[14:03] <NigeySWales> hm how odd, discovery doesnt want to retire!
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[15:00] <NigeySWales> hm radiometrix asking what freq i would like the ntx2 .. 434.650 is correct isnt it? :|
[15:03] <jonsowman> yep that's fine
[15:03] <jonsowman> any of the LPD433 bands are fine in theory
[15:03] <jonsowman> though 434.075 and 434.650 are the most commonly used ones
[15:04] <NigeySWales> ahh brill, thanks jonsowman theyre also selling it to me direct which seems alot cheaper :D
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[15:08] <jonsowman> good stuff :)
[15:09] <NigeySWales> and i had a nice bank balance this morning to so i can order some more parts over the weekend
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[15:13] <jonsowman> :D
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[15:48] <eroomde> hi all
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[15:48] <eroomde> new cheap gsm module from sparkfun - looks good
[15:48] <eroomde> hi RocketBoy
[15:48] <jerry507_mac> Hmm
[15:48] <RocketBoy> yo eroomde / all
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[15:51] <NigeySWales> ello :)
[15:52] <jonsowman> hi eroomde
[15:52] <eroomde> so someone gave me an FSA03 which i just remebered was in my pocket. Lots of people on here have used them I udnerstand, but not me. Is there anything to watch out for?
[15:53] <fsphil> scary small plug on the gsm module
[15:53] <jonsowman> I've heard the antennas are physically not fantastically well attached
[15:53] <jonsowman> I haven't tested them
[15:53] <jonsowman> though we have like 9 in the batcave at the moment
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[15:54] <eroomde> jonsowman: I'be heard that too
[15:54] <eroomde> and you have 8 in the batcave
[15:54] <eroomde> as number 9 is the one in my pocket :)
[15:54] <fsphil> mine's sitting on the desk now, happily working away. no problems, though I try to be gentle when handling it
[15:55] <eroomde> cool. I'll try and be gentle with it
[15:55] <jonsowman> well if it's been in your pocket all day and still works then maybe the ants arent that bad
[15:55] <eroomde> i do like the ublox 5, so this should be fun
[15:55] <eroomde> it's in a static bag with some static foam
[15:56] <jonsowman> :)
[15:57] <mike_jh> I've always wondered, how do you move a static bag?
[15:58] <jonsowman> eroomde: where and how are NOTAMs published?
[15:58] <eroomde> i've kicked people for better jokes than that
[15:58] <eroomde> jonsowman: on the TAF websites
[15:59] <jonsowman> by whom?
[15:59] <fsphil> that joke is shocking
[15:59] <eroomde> http://notaminfo.com/node/5
[16:00] <eroomde> i think the CAA publishes lists of them. not the pdf file, but text announcements each day
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[16:01] <jonsowman> right OK
[16:01] <jonsowman> how do the CAA know what to put in the NOTAM?
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[16:02] <jonsowman> for example, the NOTAMS have our website in them, but that's not in the pdf NOV
[16:02] <eroomde> it'll be some data on an un baked up file on david millers hdd
[16:04] <jonsowman> ha
[16:04] <jonsowman> so getting the new NOV automatically ensures that the NOTAMs will continue to be published?
[16:05] <eroomde> yep
[16:05] <eroomde> you need not worry about that
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[16:07] <eroomde> you just need to tell the tower as we've always done
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[16:08] <eroomde> not that they're ever interested!
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[16:09] <NigeySWales> what if you're near 2 airports like me, you tell both? :|
[16:10] <jonsowman> ok cheers eroomde
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[16:20] <eroomde> NigeySWales: your notam will specify
[16:23] <eroomde> jonsowman: speaking of the published announcement, i guess our website is getting a revamp at some point anyway but it would be especially useful to have a bright orange box on the front page with launch announcements
[16:23] <eroomde> as it seems to evade a lot of the people that currently phone me up at the moment
[16:23] <Upu> Any launches this weekend ?
[16:24] <jonsowman> eroomde: I'll get onto that
[16:24] <Laurenceb_> whos going to jcoxons launc next weekend?
[16:25] <jonsowman> Laurenceb_: Randomskk and I probably will be
[16:25] <jonsowman> s/probably/definitely/
[16:25] <NigeySWales> eroomde, ah oki, id get confused otherwise, i dont fancy getting into trouble with the military at st athans lol
[16:26] <Laurenceb_> jonsowman: cool, im going to try and come down
[16:26] <NigeySWales> where is he launching from ?
[16:29] <fsphil> Cambridge probably?
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[16:30] <jonsowman> yes
[16:30] <jonsowman> Churchill college cambridge
[16:30] <NigeySWales> dam, bit far for me to travel :( would have liked to see a launch to
[16:31] <fsphil> they are fun
[16:31] <NigeySWales> they look it, i'll keep an eye out for launches a bit nearer me,
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[16:48] <eroomde> NigeySWales: if you can get a notam for south wales you'd be in a great spot geographically - loads of england to land in
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[16:55] <jonsowman> cusf wiki upgraded :)
[16:57] <NigeySWales> eroomde, hopefully, unlessi get really unlucky and it lands in the river severn! lol
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[16:59] <fsphil> or heads west :p
[17:00] <WillDuckworth> i've got a notam'd launch coming up hopefully in Herefordshire....
[17:03] <NigeySWales> haha fsphil if it heads west you will see a grown man cry!
[17:03] <NigeySWales> WillDuckworth, that's within my traveling range :D:D
[17:04] <jonsowman> NigeySWales: you might still be able to track the cambridge launches :)
[17:04] <jonsowman> do you have a radio/ant etc?
[17:05] <NigeySWales> not yet, i spoke to a friend last night who's trying to get hold of the yaseu
[17:05] <eroomde> cool.
[17:05] <NigeySWales> great if he can, id rather hold off paying £500 for a new unit till after my first launch, its alot to invest
[17:06] <fsphil> The FT-790R is another option .. can usually be had a bit cheaper
[17:08] <NigeySWales> ohh.. let me see if any are on ebay
[17:08] <eroomde> it's just as sensitive as anything else. just 70cm only
[17:08] <eroomde> and old-school
[17:10] <NigeySWales> ohh dam i missed 1 by 4 days, went for 82quid :/
[17:12] <fsphil> was that the one with the amp too?
[17:14] <NigeySWales> yup
[17:16] <WillDuckworth> there's one on there at the moment i'm watching.... typical
[17:18] <fsphil> The 2m version seems to be very popular too, always go for a good price
[17:19] <fsphil> yaesu should make a modern version of it
[17:20] <fsphil> like a cut-down 817
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[17:22] <fsphil> how difficult would it it be to make a sensitive SSB receiver for 70cm?
[17:26] <NigeySWales> hmm theres an idea
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[17:29] <eroomde> fsphil: this is the kind of bread and butter for hams. There are lots of designs and articles floating around the net.
[17:29] <eroomde> dxzone is always a good place to have a nosey
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[17:40] <Laurenceb_> fsphil: easy
[17:41] <Laurenceb_> cc1020 is 6dB NF, if you want better try an LNA on the front
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[17:44] <Laurenceb_> you can get some really good lnas
[17:44] <Laurenceb_> well below 1dB
[17:46] <fsphil> ooh small ic
[17:47] <fsphil> how much effort would the lna be?
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[18:16] <Laurenceb_> fsphil: id use an eval board
[18:18] <Laurenceb_> fsphil: http://i.imgur.com/RAH0x.png thats with a cc1020emk-434 eval board and an avr
[18:18] <Laurenceb_> no lna on the front, i calculate 6.5dB Noise figure
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[18:24] <SpeedEvil> Is this calculate from measurements of signals - or the datasheet?
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[20:01] <NigeySWales> dam fireworks
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[20:12] <fsphil> heh, few here too
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[20:15] <NigeySWales> driving the hamster nuts lol
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[20:18] <NigeySWales> you think smea has connection probs? :|
[20:20] <natrium42> des problemes de connexion
[20:21] <fsphil> it's an ongoing thing :)
[20:21] <DanielRichman> we've got used to it
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[20:22] <NigeySWales> oopsie
[20:22] <eroomde> smea: problems?
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[20:23] <NigeySWales> do you know anywhere in the u.k that does the falcom gps chip lower than £39 or is that about average price? only found 1 supplier
[20:24] <eroomde> not I
[20:24] <NigeySWales> wow lead time of 2 weeks to
[20:24] <NigeySWales> might just go for the lassen iq instead
[20:25] <eroomde> it served us well. it's solid
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[20:27] <NigeySWales> okies, cheers, im hoping jcoxon will let me use his schematics to get the breakout board done
[20:28] <eroomde> schematics or layout?
[20:29] <NigeySWales> both i think, he had some boards made and posted all the files needed to have them made, just wantd to check i could use them
[20:29] <NigeySWales> wanted*
[20:30] <eroomde> uhuh
[20:30] <NigeySWales> http://www.seeedstudio.com/wiki/index.php?title=LassenIQ_Breakout_Board
[20:31] <eroomde> if you get impatient you could make a simple veroboard breakout and wire it into an arduino quite easily
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[20:31] <NigeySWales> err.. total newbie here, no idea how to do that lol it's going to be hard doing even simple things, but im keen to learn
[20:32] <eroomde> well the arduino is an ideal platform for learning from zero experience
[20:32] <NigeySWales> i do notice the mega board is 5v and almost everything i need to use is 3.3v seems to throw up a few issues when i search google
[20:32] <eroomde> the website is a superb resource
[20:32] <NigeySWales> yes, and also the tutorial / book on earthshine's site is amazingly detailed
[20:32] <eroomde> mmm, multiple voltages can get a bit annoying, i won't deny that
[20:33] <NigeySWales> seems to be a huge problem if i want to add sd module
[20:33] <eroomde> it's never a huge problem :)
[20:33] <NigeySWales> hehe fingers crossed
[20:34] <eroomde> only a slightly annoying one. most devices are tolerant of the other voltage
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[20:34] <eroomde> so you'd need to provide a separate 3.3v and 5v regulator for the different devices, but you could almost certainly connect up the serial lines without any level conversion and they'd understand each other
[20:35] <eroomde> most 3.3V device datasheets say something like '5V tolerant i/o' towards the top
[20:35] <NigeySWales> ohhhhh, wasnt aware of that, i'll add that to my notes to look up
[20:35] <NigeySWales> spent most of the day just reading
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[20:36] <NigeySWales> hi RocketBoy
[20:36] <RocketBoy> hi
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[20:40] <DanielRichman> wrt sd card logging, there are specific Arduino-Ready sd card modules that work on the 5V modules (perhaps 5v ones only?); we used one; they must do some level conversion
[20:40] <DanielRichman> (unless the sd card can take it?)
[20:40] <DanielRichman> IDK; alien 1 Worked and alien2 will be 3v3 so I've forgotten
[20:42] <NigeySWales> i looked up 2 "ready made" shields 1 from adafruit and 1 from coolhacks, both had some issues, and after emailing adafruit they suggested a look in the forums as it requires "work" to get the module working on the mega
[20:42] <NigeySWales> extra*
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[21:19] <eroomde> smea: this is nothing personal, but your connections problems are a little annoying in that they are clogging up the channel
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[21:23] <jonsowman> nice
[21:27] <eroomde> not really but it does drop the signal to noise ratio a bit. hopefully his client will let him see the message
[21:27] <jonsowman> haha understandable
[21:28] <jonsowman> does that not work for people not in the channel then...
[21:28] <eroomde> gring grind grind smoke from zeusbot
[21:29] <jonsowman> hehe
[21:29] <jonsowman> how was your trip to cam?
[21:29] <eroomde> lots of driving
[21:29] <eroomde> hanningfield metals have folded
[21:29] <jonsowman> oh?
[21:30] <jonsowman> what did you do up here then?
[21:30] <eroomde> but the industrial eztate mamger let us into their site and said help yourself to whatever
[21:30] <jonsowman> wow
[21:30] <jonsowman> nice
[21:30] <eroomde> as they didn't pay the rent and broke in once the locks were changed to steal some expensive bits
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[21:31] <jonsowman> hum
[21:31] <jonsowman> oh dear
[21:39] <jonsowman> whatve you got planned for that FSA03 then?
[21:39] <eroomde> going to make a baby tracker i think
[21:40] <eroomde> for tracking babies
[21:41] <eroomde> but more seriosuly, for going into a tracker that fits in a pvc tube in the neck of a balloon
[21:41] <eroomde> for intelligent venting and sensor suits for measuring balloon pressures and temps and so on
[21:46] <jonsowman> nice
[21:46] <jonsowman> that's really neat
[21:46] <eroomde> really want to get some good data sets as we're still guessing about the thermodyamics of floats and oscillations and nighttime things and so on
[21:46] <eroomde> data -> model -> enlightnment -> profit
[21:47] <jonsowman> sounds like a good plan to me
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[22:31] <astr2001uk> hey NigeySWales
[22:31] <NigeySWales> hey astr2001uk :D how's things ?
[22:31] <astr2001uk> ot too bad, did you get your bits?
[22:31] <jonsowman> RocketBoy: ping
[22:32] <NigeySWales> no, the welsh post let me down again, im hoping tomorrow it'll turn up.
[22:32] <astr2001uk> ok
[22:33] <astr2001uk> think i might use picaxe now, looks a lot simpler
[22:33] <NigeySWales> oo, i've not looked into picaxe
[22:34] <astr2001uk> used to use it in school many years ago for simple projects
[22:35] <NigeySWales> ahh
[22:36] <Darkside> nooooooooo
[22:36] <Darkside> picaxe is horrible
[22:37] <jonsowman> unless you have a specific reason to, I don't recommend PICAXE
[22:37] <jonsowman> it's been done - my last launch (Apex II) was a PICAXE
[22:37] <jonsowman> for various reasons
[22:37] <jonsowman> but an AVR/Arduino is much more suited to it
[22:38] <eroomde> a second vote to avoid picaxe and stick with avr based stuff
[22:38] <eroomde> picaxe is a bit of a dead end
[22:39] <jonsowman> exactly
[22:41] <Darkside> also it's very basic...
[22:41] <Randomskk> picaxe is sodding awful
[22:41] <Darkside> *cough*
[22:41] <Randomskk> avoid like the plague
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[22:41] <eroomde> careful darkside
[22:41] <Randomskk> oh dear
[22:41] <jonsowman> hahaha
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[22:42] <NigeySWales> lol
[22:42] <Darkside> >_>
[22:42] <Darkside> but its punny!
[22:42] <Darkside> funny*
[22:43] <jonsowman> eroomde & Randomskk, what do you reckon for the "look here for upcoming launches" on the cusf frontpage
[22:43] <eroomde> pun intended?
[22:43] <Darkside> :P
[22:43] <Randomskk> big fuckoff red box top centre
[22:43] <jonsowman> links to both our Launch Times page and the UKHAS upcoming launches?
[22:43] <jonsowman> or just one?
[22:43] <jonsowman> if so, which?
[22:43] <eroomde> just one
[22:43] <Randomskk> <blink><marquee>
[22:43] <jonsowman> Randomskk: I refuse
[22:43] <jonsowman> eroomde: which?
[22:43] <eroomde> it's just for the notam for our site
[22:44] <jonsowman> OK
[22:44] <eroomde> so cusf launches rather than ukhas ones
[22:44] <eroomde> or rather, churchill laucnhes
[22:44] <Randomskk> you refuse now, wait until people are phoning you because they can't work the website
[22:44] <jonsowman> hehe
[22:44] <eroomde> which is a subset of ukhas
[22:44] <jonsowman> right, CUSF one it is
[22:44] <eroomde> otherwise it'll upset and confuse pilots
[22:44] <jonsowman> we'll be sure to try and keep it up to date then
[22:44] <eroomde> well, not cusf, churchill
[22:44] <Randomskk> but like, just put the launch details there
[22:44] <Randomskk> not a link
[22:44] <eroomde> yes agreed. it's for pilots
[22:45] <jonsowman> alright
[22:45] <Randomskk> just "WE ARE LAUNCHING 8-NOV-2010 15:00 GMT"
[22:45] <Randomskk> (PROBABLY)
[22:45] <jonsowman> lol
[22:45] <eroomde> too much information makes them flap
[22:47] <eroomde> i think it should say UPCOMING LAUNCHES in the title and then 'none in the next 48 hours' by default
[22:47] <eroomde> which we adjust as necessary
[22:48] <eroomde> and then 'this notice will be updated at least 24 hours before any planned launch' underneath
[22:48] <jonsowman> well at the mo it's just a text file
[22:48] <eroomde> sure the text file could be blank and sit in a box containing that fixed data
[22:48] <eroomde> maybe loose the 'last updated' autogen suffix
[22:49] <eroomde> as that just upsets david miller who accuses us of not launching anough to justify notam
[22:49] <eroomde> when in truth i often just forget to update the launch announcements. but i can't tell him that obviously
[22:49] <jonsowman> so we don't how current the information is?
[22:50] <astr2001uk> just notices the picaxe comments! guess its back to arduino then!
[22:50] <jonsowman> *state how
[22:50] <Randomskk> the info has dates on launches
[22:50] <Randomskk> we don't update the no-launch condition
[22:50] <NigeySWales> astr2001uk, i would by the sounds of it lol
[22:50] <jonsowman> I just think people will not trust the information to be current and phone anyway
[22:50] <astr2001uk> yup
[22:51] <eroomde> jonsowman: we will know yes
[22:51] <Randomskk> jonsowman: doesn't seem that anything we can do will help with that
[22:51] <Randomskk> but hopefully a big box saying no upcoming launches in next 48 hours will help
[22:51] <eroomde> but the timestamp only seems to cause badness
[22:51] <eroomde> it doesn't actually help that much i don't think
[22:52] <eroomde> again it's giving away more info than we need to
[22:52] <jonsowman> hmm
[22:52] <jonsowman> ok
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[22:52] <eroomde> as in, unless we update it every 24 hrs, it will be out of date
[22:53] <eroomde> but if we have an automatic javascript clock in the bright ornage box, that'll fool people into thinking it's current
[22:53] <eroomde> as all web-clocks do
[22:54] <eroomde> and david miller won't phone me up and say 'why should i give you a new notam when it doesn't look like you've launched for three months'
[22:54] <eroomde> infact on that occassion we hadn't launched for three months. but he doesn't need to know that
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[22:55] <jonsowman> out of interest, what did you say to that?
[22:55] <eroomde> I see it as like being a consultant. you do what you have to and not a jot more without upping the price
[22:56] <eroomde> i made up some stuff about unusually bad jet stream conditions and final exams for 70% of the club members
[22:56] <jonsowman> heh ok
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[23:17] <NigeySWales> dumb question..but.. do i need a RTC for logging the gps data to sdcard ?
[23:18] <jonsowman> gps time will do
[23:18] <jonsowman> providing you have gps lock
[23:18] <jonsowman> :)
[23:18] <NigeySWales> thought as much, tnx jon..again..lol
[23:19] <jonsowman> no problem
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[23:22] <jonsowman> http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~cuspaceflight/index2.php
[23:22] <jonsowman> eroomde: ^^
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[23:26] <eroomde> jonsowman: nice start
[23:26] <jonsowman> it will do for now
[23:27] <eroomde> could it maybe go in a div in the top right?
[23:27] <Darkside> In our spare time, our hobbies include engineering degrees and physics degrees.
[23:27] <Darkside> pfffffffff
[23:27] <eroomde> symetric with the logo
[23:28] <jonsowman> yes
[23:30] <fsphil> reminds me of the old amiga guru error screens
[23:30] <eroomde> jonsowman: actually what you've just done is nice
[23:30] <eroomde> and pretty
[23:30] <fsphil> just need to make it flash
[23:32] <jonsowman> eroomde: sure? I can put it in the top right if you like
[23:32] <eroomde> ok try it
[23:33] <jonsowman> ok give me a bit to wade through this CSS
[23:33] <jonsowman> and php
[23:33] <jonsowman> and html
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[23:33] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[23:34] <RocketBoy> jonsowman: pimg
[23:34] <jonsowman> hi
[23:34] <jonsowman> did you want to send an email to the UKHAS list wrt getting people to track on monday?
[23:34] <RocketBoy> you pinged earler?
[23:35] <RocketBoy> that would be good
[23:36] <jonsowman> ok. I've put the launch details on http://ukhas.org.uk/general:upcoming_launches if you wish to add anything
[23:36] <RocketBoy> ta
[23:36] <Lunar_Lander> hello RocketBoy
[23:37] <Lunar_Lander> nice to see you again
[23:37] <jonsowman> I'm intending to use the CUSF twitter a bit more to broadcast this kinf of thing
[23:37] <jonsowman> s/kinf/kind/
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[23:39] <LazyLeopard> Oh, launches! ;)
[23:40] <Lunar_Lander> we got a launch imminent?
[23:42] <LazyLeopard> Apparently...
[23:43] <natrium42> who?
[23:43] <jonsowman> jcoxon and RocketBoy
[23:43] <natrium42> isn't it a bit later?
[23:44] <natrium42> *late
[23:44] <jonsowman> oh
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[23:44] <jonsowman> values of imminent meaning "in the next week or so"
[23:44] <natrium42> ah
[23:54] <eroomde> night all
[23:55] <Randomskk> night
[23:57] <Lunar_Lander> what will it be jonsowman BallastHalo 6?
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