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[04:22] <Darkside> hai
[04:22] <Darkside> juxta_: you there?
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[05:17] <Darkside> juxta__: grrrr
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[07:02] <Darkside> juxta__: ...
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[07:13] <juxta__> hey, Darkside
[07:13] <juxta__> sorry, just got home
[07:13] <juxta__> phone went flat on me!
[07:18] <Darkside> juxta__: hey
[07:18] <Darkside> get your phone on
[07:18] <Darkside> i sent you gps coords
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[08:19] <earthshine> morning
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[08:31] Nick change: Elwell_ -> Elwell
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[08:43] <earthshine> This is cool - http://grieg.gotdns.com/blog/?p=312
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[11:26] <Laurenceb_> SpeedEvil: i think its possible to pll onto the dcf77 carrier
[11:26] <Laurenceb_> but would mean building all the tronics from scratch
[11:27] <Laurenceb_> amplifier onto the adc might just work
[11:30] <SpeedEvil> I was thinking of that ages ago, yes.
[11:31] <Laurenceb_> looks like a firrite rod gives about 10uv signal
[11:31] <Laurenceb_> so needs a fair bit of gain and some agc
[11:32] <Laurenceb_> would be nice to do it all on the same micro, but a standalone timebase might be more sensible
[11:32] <Laurenceb_> quite useful - way cheaper and lower power than gps
[11:33] <russss> my watch sets itself from dcf77
[11:37] <Laurenceb_> interesting
[11:37] <Laurenceb_> must have a v small ferrite
[11:38] <russss> http://www.casio.co.uk/Products/Watches/Wave%20Ceptor/WVA-430TDE-1A2VER/At_a_Glance/
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[11:58] <m1x10> Hi
[12:00] <Darkside> hey
[12:00] <Darkside> getting ready? :(
[12:01] <m1x10> yeah:)
[12:01] <m1x10> new haircut :p
[12:01] <m1x10> i look like shit :0
[12:04] <Darkside> aww
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[12:51] <Hibby> I've just had a fight with a chair :(
[12:51] <m1x10> who won?
[12:51] <Hibby> me, eventually
[12:51] <Hibby> has a single lever to control my up-downess
[12:51] <Hibby> but I wanted some tilt, which is the same lever
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[12:52] <Hibby> and eventually it dawned on me after crawling on the office floor to get a good look at it that it was the "in-out" axis that controlled that bit
[12:52] <Hibby> real engineering terms for you there
[12:52] <Hibby> anyhoo
[12:52] <Hibby> gotta go to a meeting, now that I'm comfy and all :/
[12:52] <SpeedEvil> Wave.
[12:52] <m1x10> :p
[12:53] <SpeedEvil> m1x10: hey. Well - showing up with long flowing locks is probably not a good plan - even if you don't like short hair. :)
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[13:05] <earthshine> Jeez the predictions at the moment take it right off the map
[13:05] <earthshine> Launch from the east coast and it could make Holland easily
[13:26] <m1x10> I just know that I've cut my nice long epic hair
[13:26] <m1x10> it took me 9 months to build !
[13:27] <m1x10> brb
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[13:27] <earthshine> crew cut ?
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[14:48] <Laurenceb_> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/search/searchBrowseAction.html?method=getProduct&R=6720775
[14:48] <Laurenceb_> looks good
[14:48] <Laurenceb_> VCTCXO nice
[14:51] <Darkside> i'd like to get a 50MHz TCXO to put on my DDS board
[14:51] <Darkside> but they aren't cheap
[14:52] <Darkside> and draw too much current for it to be worth it for my system
[14:52] <Darkside> current system only drifts 300Hz at -40 anyway
[14:53] <Laurenceb_> im thinking of making a frequency standard
[14:53] <Darkside> use a DDS
[14:53] <Laurenceb_> that with an avr doing a digital pll with lognwave timebase
[14:54] <Darkside> AD9835 with a TXCO works really well, so i've been told
[14:54] <Darkside> or a GPS disciplined oscillator used as a clock source for the DDS
[14:55] <Laurenceb_> yeah, but gps is a little annoying +expensive + current
[14:55] <Darkside> heh
[14:55] <Darkside> then TXCO
[14:55] <Laurenceb_> so im trying to design dcf77 pll
[14:56] <Darkside> but if you care about current, you shouldn't be using a TXCO
[14:57] <Darkside> anyway, sleep for me
[14:57] <Darkside> nn
[14:58] <Laurenceb_> 1.3ma isnt a lot
[14:58] <Laurenceb_> cya
[15:03] <m1x10> back
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[15:21] <Laurenceb_> http://midnightdesignsolutions.com/dds60/index.html
[15:21] <Laurenceb_> nice
[15:21] <Laurenceb_> would be good for transatlantic
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[15:43] <kd0mto> We're building our own VFO
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[16:54] <m1x10> thats something you antenna guys must definitely watch: www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tIZUhu21sQ&feature=player_embedded#!
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[17:43] <eroomde> yo
[17:43] <jonsowman> yo eroomde
[17:43] <eroomde> yo jonsowman
[17:43] <jonsowman> how's life?
[17:43] <eroomde> know how to make terminal.app ping when somone mentiones you on irssi running on a remote session?
[17:44] <eroomde> life's good, having a glass of sherry
[17:44] <eroomde> it's time to bring sherry back
[17:44] <eroomde> i think
[17:44] <jonsowman> haha
[17:44] <jonsowman> excellent
[17:44] <jonsowman> sounds nice.
[17:44] <eroomde> i'm having a massive foodie binge in my life currently
[17:44] <jonsowman> :D
[17:44] <jonsowman> I've got many lab reports D:
[17:45] <eroomde> making bread every other day, trying lots of things. fergus henderson is my new guru
[17:45] <eroomde> i'm coming up to cam tomorrow
[17:45] <eroomde> fergus and john and I are visitng hanningfield metals
[17:45] <jonsowman> oh nice
[17:45] <eroomde> there's space in the car if you want... but you have lab reports :)
[17:46] <jonsowman> yeah I'm not going to have time tomorrow, got a lab markup, then two lectures, then a supervision
[17:46] <jonsowman> D:
[17:46] <jonsowman> in between which I have examples papers to do
[17:46] <jonsowman> fun times.
[17:46] <eroomde> 2nd year sucks hey
[17:47] <jonsowman> it's pretty crap so far
[17:47] <jonsowman> can't wait for next year.
[17:47] <eroomde> it doesn't improve
[17:47] <eroomde> sorry :(
[17:47] <jonsowman> no I wasn't really expecting it to improve
[17:47] <eroomde> but just think, 3rd and 4th year are lovely
[17:47] <jonsowman> ICP at the end of this term, and then IDP next term
[17:47] <jonsowman> yep I'm hoping the next two years make up for these two years
[17:47] <eroomde> so it's all going to get better if you apple a low pass filter to the rest of your degree with a 3dB cutoff of about 9 months
[17:48] <eroomde> apply*
[17:48] <jonsowman> haha
[17:48] <eroomde> have a sherry
[17:48] <jonsowman> I wish I could
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[17:48] <jonsowman> hehe
[17:48] <eroomde> cam wine merchants sell a few good ones
[17:49] <eroomde> if you want something inetresting try pedro ximenez
[17:49] <natrium42> hi hackers and slackers
[17:49] <eroomde> they sell it
[17:49] <eroomde> have it at 6pm each day. worth observing and it'll do you the world of good
[17:49] <eroomde> also elevenses. that needs to be better observed
[17:50] <jonsowman> :D
[17:50] <jonsowman> sounds like good advice to me
[17:50] <natrium42> elevense? the mysteriious number between eleven and twelve?
[17:50] <eroomde> a slice of seed cake and a glass of madeira was how i did elevenses today. it's very steadying
[17:51] <eroomde> no natrium42 - elevenses is a thing you do at 11 that is a drink and a nibble
[17:51] <eroomde> to keep body and soul together until lunch
[17:51] <natrium42> ah, brits :')
[17:51] <eroomde> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elevenses
[17:52] <eroomde> a noble tradition
[17:53] <eroomde> jonsowman: i'm quite serious thought. grab yourself a bottle of pedro ximinez from CWM. it makes linear algebra a walk in the park
[17:56] <jonsowman> I shall
[17:56] <eroomde> bon
[17:59] <natrium42> eroomde: wtb cusf launch
[17:59] <natrium42> nao
[18:00] <eroomde> wtb?
[18:00] <natrium42> want to buy
[18:01] <natrium42> no can has? :(
[18:03] <eroomde> how do you buy a launch?
[18:03] <eroomde> that's a bit meta
[18:03] <eroomde> jonsowman: pedro ximenez 30 year old £14.80 for uni members. that'll knock your socks off
[18:03] <natrium42> it's just something you say
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[18:04] <natrium42> means that i want a cusf launch
[18:04] <eroomde> natrium42: aaah
[18:04] <natrium42> :P
[18:04] <eroomde> yes it has beena while
[18:04] <eroomde> i suppose it'll be Nova 20 soon which is something worth marking
[18:06] <eroomde> though i'm not really in cambridge at the moment so it might happen without me
[18:06] <natrium42> Nova XX
[18:06] <natrium42> use roman numerals :D
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[18:07] <eroomde> i wonder what people might think we were doing when we announced the 30th
[18:08] <natrium42> haha
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[18:12] <natrium42> eroomde: going where no balloon has gone before?
[18:14] <eroomde> perhaps
[18:14] <m1x10> natrium42 !
[18:14] <eroomde> but a balloon is really just a latex sheeth to stop a fluid escaping
[18:14] <eroomde> so...
[18:15] <m1x10> natrium42: Tomorrow I join army !
[18:15] <natrium42> is it required?
[18:16] <eroomde> yes. you never know what you might catch
[18:16] <m1x10> natrium42: yes
[18:17] <natrium42> rofl eroomde
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[18:56] <Randomskk> eroomde: I like this idea of getting some XLR and also some microblades
[18:56] <Randomskk> I went to H Gee today for the first time and had a nice chat with him about rockets but sadly he had no idea about the connector and didn't have any
[18:56] <Randomskk> (then I found its alternate name and farnell stock it under that)
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[18:59] <eroomde> h gee doesnt have much of an idea about anything
[19:00] <Randomskk> ben seemed quite keen on his ability to procure connectors from a box
[19:00] <Randomskk> but sadly not in this case
[19:00] <eroomde> because his brain is completely full with knowing where anything is in that shop
[19:00] <Randomskk> happily it appears the primary load cell comes with a cable on it
[19:01] <Randomskk> the other easy option for cabling would be RJ45 or 11 or such. it's just six wires
[19:01] <Randomskk> then board to wire is basically job done
[19:01] <Randomskk> not as cool as microblade
[19:01] <eroomde> indeed
[19:02] <eroomde> the thing should ideally be ip67
[19:02] <eroomde> so a good chunk o budget should be connectors
[19:02] <Randomskk> the load cell I have here is the 1kN one and has o rings and things, looks quite good
[19:02] <Randomskk> I take it we're not exactly planning on testing in the rain though?
[19:03] <eroomde> no but the test huts have water sprays
[19:03] <eroomde> and lots of hot gases
[19:03] <eroomde> and lots of dust thrown up
[19:03] <Randomskk> ah, fair enough
[19:04] <Randomskk> so the whole thing wants to go into a nice box?
[19:04] <eroomde> yes
[19:04] <Randomskk> do we run a cable from the nice box back to us, or keep it all internal?
[19:04] <eroomde> one of those nice enclosures with a front door
[19:04] <eroomde> back to us
[19:04] <eroomde> they used ethernet
[19:04] <Randomskk> was planning on using ethernet
[19:04] <eroomde> one of those microchip ethernet chips
[19:04] <Randomskk> indeed
[19:05] <Randomskk> £2, any package you want, SPI, niice.
[19:05] <Randomskk> I have some here
[19:05] <eroomde> with nice srew-on panel-mount rj45 connectors
[19:05] <Randomskk> though I am also tempted to use this free mbed I have, since it has 100mbps ethernet onboard with dma and ip libraries
[19:05] <eroomde> that might be worth it yep
[19:05] <Randomskk> but then the whole thing requires an mbed and the code requires the online ide
[19:05] <eroomde> save a lot of time
[19:05] <Randomskk> so, will decide
[19:05] <Randomskk> 10mbps should be enough speed, and I can still use an stm32 and DMA to the SPI
[19:05] <Randomskk> but the mbed is very very quick to develop on
[19:05] <eroomde> is mbed not open source?
[19:06] <Randomskk> it's
[19:06] <eroomde> can you not just build a local toolchain?
[19:06] <Randomskk> well, as I understand it you can theoretically do that
[19:06] <Randomskk> they don't seem to encourage it
[19:06] <Randomskk> will investigate further. if it's not too bad then may just go that route
[19:06] <Randomskk> they are fairly neat and relatively inexpensive
[19:06] <Randomskk> who knows, a rocket test platform might get a prize in the competition I got the free mbed for, anyway
[19:07] <Randomskk> http://www.circuitcellar.com/nxpmbeddesignchallenge/ $10k prize pool
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[19:15] <SpeedEvil> How does the mbed and the stm32 discovery compare?
[19:16] <Randomskk> mbed seems to have a lot of community support. in a similar vein to arduino, there is a lot of stuff already done
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[19:16] <Randomskk> also this online ide dealy
[19:16] <Randomskk> physical hardware wise they are similar - does discovery have an ethernet phy?
[19:16] <Randomskk> mbed is programmed via dumping a bin into a usb storage
[19:16] <Randomskk> the bin is downloaded from their server
[19:16] <Randomskk> no compiler needed
[19:16] <Randomskk> interesting model
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[19:18] <SpeedEvil> hmm
[19:18] <SpeedEvil> I need to actually read up on each.
[19:23] <SpeedEvil> I was contemplating doing a few micro based projects, and though arduino is not compelling, stm32 stuff like http://www.st.com/mcu/contentid-133-110-STM32VLDISCOVERY.html is.
[19:24] <Randomskk> it looks neat and I like stm32s
[19:24] <Randomskk> but the mbed does have a lot of cool stuff directly onboard
[19:26] <SpeedEvil> how much is the mbed to actually buy
[19:27] <SpeedEvil> I'm tired, and fail to find that on clicking stuff
[19:29] <Randomskk> it's like £40?
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[19:33] <SpeedEvil> Ah - right
[19:33] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[19:33] <SpeedEvil> 7 quid > 40 quid.
[19:34] <Randomskk> uhm
[19:36] <SpeedEvil> Well - not numerically - no.
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[20:45] <jcoxon> evening all
[20:45] <jonsowman> evening jcoxon
[20:46] <jonsowman> we have a 1500g balloon in the lab but I haven't heard back as to whether you can use it yet
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[20:46] <jcoxon> pretty please...
[20:46] <jcoxon> i'll replace it as soon as rocketboy's delivery arrives
[20:47] <jonsowman> hehe I'm just waiting to hear back if it's reserved for anything
[20:47] <Randomskk> odds are it'l be okay
[20:47] <Randomskk> just the only other balloons in stock are baby 350g ones
[20:47] <Randomskk> like three or four of those though
[20:47] <jcoxon> had a chat with steve today - if we use a line that breaks < 230Newtons then we can in theory fly anywhere
[20:48] <jcoxon> we've found some international documentation about cross border balloon flights
[20:48] <Randomskk> curious
[20:48] <jcoxon> and if your balloon is 'lightweight' then it can travel anywhere
[20:48] <Randomskk> that seems achievable
[20:48] <Randomskk> radio regulations are stricter sadly
[20:48] <jcoxon> well not really - ISM
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[20:49] <Randomskk> even ISM isn't entirely harmonized
[20:49] <Randomskk> though 434 is throughout europe
[20:49] <jcoxon> so we'll try and fall into that catagory on saturday
[20:49] <Hibby> jcoxon: launch on saturday for sure?
[20:49] <jcoxon> need to source the balloon first
[20:50] <jcoxon> on the case
[20:50] <jcoxon> also depends a little on flight path
[20:50] <jcoxon> though this is a suicide mission anyway
[20:50] <Randomskk> how's the wx looking?
[20:50] <eroomde> jonsowman: is that one extra to the astrium requirements?
[20:50] <jonsowman> eroomde: I don't know, this is what I'm trying to find out
[20:50] <Randomskk> unless there are more elsewhere than this box, it is the only >350g one
[20:51] <eroomde> does steve have an eta on new ones?
[20:51] <jcoxon> eroomde, they promise this week
[20:51] <jcoxon> but they promise a lot...
[20:51] <jcoxon> (kaymont this is)
[20:51] <eroomde> mmm
[20:51] <jcoxon> Randomskk, hmmm its off to the netherlands by the looks of it
[20:52] <jcoxon> Randomskk, would be happier if it headed more south
[20:52] Action: Hibby will have to get these new preamps installed on the mast pronto
[20:53] <jcoxon> jonsowman, whats the link to the source of habhub predictor?
[20:53] <Randomskk> are you gonna raise an issue? :P
[20:53] <Randomskk> it is the best part of github
[20:54] <jonsowman> Randomskk: :P
[20:54] <Randomskk> http://github.com/jonsowman/cusf-standalone-predictor
[20:54] <jonsowman> jcoxon: the binary or the web tool?
[20:54] <jcoxon> hehe no i was going to clone it and hack it to do float
[20:54] <Randomskk> issues, then 'create issue', then jon does it
[20:54] <jonsowman> http://github.com/rjw57/cusf-landing-prediction
[20:54] <jonsowman> haha
[20:54] <jonsowman> thanks :P
[20:54] <Randomskk> :P
[20:54] <jonsowman> s/does it/will do it at some point when he has time/
[20:55] <jcoxon> i'll do it this evening :-p
[20:55] <Randomskk> fvco 'will' I guess :P
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[20:55] <Randomskk> your repo has the pred source in it too though
[20:55] <jonsowman> it does
[20:55] <Randomskk> so that's probably the best one to fork I guess maybe?
[20:55] <jonsowman> depends what jcoxon is after
[20:55] <Randomskk> jcoxon: please don't look at the python predict.py script it is a little awful
[20:55] <Randomskk> :P
[20:55] <jcoxon> i just want to fly some float predictions really
[20:55] <Randomskk> (and my sole contribution to this)
[20:55] <jcoxon> and the old cusf is broken
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[20:58] <Randomskk> hmm I should probably actually do some of this report
[20:58] <Randomskk> sigh
[20:58] <jonsowman> mmm I'm having a break then gonna do more of the thermo one
[20:58] <Randomskk> this termo one sounds totally awful
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[20:58] <jonsowman> yeah it's quite bad
[20:58] <Randomskk> D: why
[20:58] <jonsowman> takes significantly longer than the spectrum analysis one
[20:58] <Randomskk> bollocks, because that's taken me daaays
[20:59] <jonsowman> a lot of that time is tabulating data in latex though
[20:59] <jonsowman> which you can copy from mine
[20:59] <Randomskk> :D thank you lots
[20:59] <jonsowman> tell me when you want it and i'll scp you it
[20:59] <Randomskk> whenever really, I guess
[20:59] <Randomskk> I'll type up the next set of data we get
[21:00] <jonsowman> I'm working on it so ask for it when you need it
[21:00] <jonsowman> then you'll get the latest version
[21:00] <Randomskk> ah okay, will do
[21:00] <jcoxon> how would i go about forking to habhub with my github username
[21:00] <Randomskk> it's done by email and such
[21:00] <Randomskk> git config --global user.name "James Coxon"
[21:00] <jcoxon> so just gen a new key?
[21:00] <Randomskk> git config --global user.email "whatever@???"
[21:01] <Randomskk> then, SSH key, add it to your github
[21:01] <Randomskk> ssh-key-gen
[21:01] <jcoxon> i see
[21:01] <Randomskk> (running those git config commands as your user on habhub)
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[21:01] <jonsowman> isn't it `ssh-keygen`
[21:01] <Randomskk> oh
[21:01] <Randomskk> probably
[21:01] <Randomskk> I tab complete it past ssh-ke
[21:02] <jonsowman> yeah
[21:02] <Randomskk> jonsowman is correct
[21:05] <jcoxon> cool
[21:05] <jcoxon> done it
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[21:09] <jcoxon> on habhub what group do i make everything excutable from?
[21:10] <Randomskk> www-data
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[21:15] <DanielRichman> jcoxon: you can look at the way jonsowman has set up ~jon/cusf-standalone-predictor; only two directories that absolutely has to be writable by www-data is; only the subdir `www-data` is linked to the web root and php execution is disabled for the www-data writable subdir (cherokee-conf)
[21:15] <NigeySWales> good evening :)
[21:16] <jcoxon> hmmm okay
[21:16] <jcoxon> will have a look
[21:16] <jcoxon> hi NigeySWales
[21:16] <NigeySWales> hi jcoxon
[21:17] <DanielRichman> jcoxon: if you want one of us can do the cherokee configuration bit very quickly to save you reading the docs or something
[21:17] <jcoxon> yes please
[21:17] <jcoxon> NigeySWales, welcome to #highaltitude
[21:17] <NigeySWales> so i've done alot of reading and think i'll attempt a balloon launch .. oh the joys this will be :D
[21:17] <jcoxon> hehe - excellent
[21:17] <jcoxon> well this is the right place to be
[21:18] <NigeySWales> it is! i popped in last night and this is probably the friendliest chat room ive ever been in :)
[21:19] <DanielRichman> jcoxon: http://habhub.org/predict-jcoxon or other?
[21:19] <jcoxon> no thats great
[21:19] <jcoxon> its really just for me
[21:19] <DanielRichman> ok. I'm about to start chmodding all your stuff. Is that OK?
[21:19] <jcoxon> NigeySWales, great, have you seen wiki.ukhas.org.uk?
[21:19] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, yes
[21:20] <DanielRichman> I don't know what git will do when you push pull merge update commit checkout etc. wrt new files, so you might want to double check them if you do that
[21:20] <jcoxon> i've done the push already
[21:20] <NigeySWales> yup, i read almost all of it last night, very very helpful source on information
[21:20] <jcoxon> great
[21:20] <jcoxon> well there 'might' be a launch on saturday
[21:20] <jcoxon> its a long duration flight going off somewhere
[21:20] <NigeySWales> ooo, any idea how "long" ?
[21:21] <jcoxon> up to 12hrs
[21:21] <jcoxon> right food time will bbl
[21:21] <NigeySWales> :o great, enjoy your food, see you later, and thanks for the warm welcome :)
[21:31] <DanielRichman> jonsowman: doesn't this cronjob email you every single hour?
[21:31] <DanielRichman> every day, even
[21:33] <jonsowman> yeah I should probably disable it
[21:33] <jonsowman> it was to test the limit on how old predictions to prune
[21:34] <jonsowman> it just gets filtered into a folder
[21:34] <jonsowman> 14 days seems about right
[21:34] <jonsowman> I haven't had any "oi you deleted my data" emails
[21:35] <DanielRichman> it's currently piped (crontab) to a mail command; what do you want me to do with it instead
[21:35] <Randomskk> you know cron will email you output from commands? you don't need to pipe it to mail
[21:35] <jonsowman> > /dev/null
[21:36] <Randomskk> just have it not be piped by /dev/null and it gets emailed
[21:36] <jonsowman> mm there was a reason for piping it to mail
[21:36] <Randomskk> (and setup forwarding for jon@nessie --> your email, I guess)
[21:36] <jonsowman> I don't remember it any more
[21:36] <Randomskk> possiblhy ^
[21:36] <Randomskk> -h
[21:36] <jonsowman> yea
[21:39] <DanielRichman> the reason was
[21:39] <DanielRichman> that cron emailed everyone on root@habhub.org
[21:39] <Randomskk> oh yea
[21:39] <Randomskk> per-user crontabs are great :P
[21:40] <DanielRichman> indeed
[21:40] <DanielRichman> hmm; this rule is getting a bit... unwieldy. Perhaps I should split it into separate "handlers"
[21:40] <DanielRichman> default ’ (Extensions php AND (Directory /tracker OR ((Directory /listener AND (NOT Directory /listener/data)) OR ((Directory /predict AND (NOT Directory /predict/preds)) OR (Directory /predict-jcoxon AND (NOT Directory /predict-jcoxon/preds))))))
[21:41] <DanielRichman> it's now 10 1 * * * www-data /home/jon/cusf-standalone-predictor/cron/prune-predictions-cronjob.sh > /dev/null
[21:41] <DanielRichman> ok?
[21:42] <Randomskk> DanielRichman: maybe just disable it globally and have a rule per directory to enable
[21:42] <Randomskk> (so, yes, separate handlers)
[21:42] <Randomskk> but still the one php interpreter
[21:43] <DanielRichman> indeed
[21:43] <DanielRichman> jcoxon: ok http://habhub.org/predict-jcoxon <-- appears to work
[21:44] <DanielRichman> someone may want to check over what I've done. It obviously remains to be seen whether the cron stuff will work etc. ALl of the commands used are in the sudo logs
[21:47] <DanielRichman> also; I believe aliases for @habhub.org (nessie local) mail already exist
[21:47] <Randomskk> looks okay to me
[21:47] <DanielRichman> as well as the gapps ones
[21:47] <Randomskk> they are in /etc/aliases
[21:47] <Randomskk> so, yes
[21:47] <jcoxon> back
[21:47] <Randomskk> also they work
[21:47] <Randomskk> adam@nessie ~: echo "test test" | mail adam
[21:47] <Randomskk> recv'd
[21:48] <DanielRichman> yup
[21:51] <fsphil> woo, got one QSO in tonights 2m contest
[21:51] <jcoxon> hmmm doesn't seem to be using my hacked pred_binary
[21:52] <jonsowman> thanks DanielRichman
[21:57] <jcoxon> jonsowman, it seems to be running the normal binary
[21:58] <Randomskk> check the path in predict.py
[21:58] <DanielRichman> I changed those
[21:58] <Randomskk> what about in php
[21:58] <DanielRichman> it's the one in predict/includes/config.inc.php that sets where it will be executing
[21:58] <DanielRichman> predict.py is just a relative path
[21:59] <Randomskk> so like, it should be running ~jcoxon/cusf-../pred_src/pred
[21:59] <Randomskk> by the looks of things
[21:59] <Randomskk> is that what you expect jcoxon?
[21:59] <jcoxon> yeah
[21:59] <jcoxon> but any changes i make don't seem to have an effect
[22:00] <jcoxon> but i tested it just now by moving the binary and it stopped working
[22:00] <Randomskk> try replacing it with a bash script that like
[22:00] <Randomskk> #!/bin/bash echo "hello world" >> pred_alive
[22:00] <Randomskk> maybe just one >
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[22:02] <DanielRichman> if it works, and then it doesn't work when you remove ~jcoxon/.../pred_src/pred, then it must be running that binary
[22:02] <DanielRichman> jcoxon: write it to /tmp/pred_alive
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[22:05] <NigeySWales> i have a feeling this Q might sound a bit daft, but for my first try i just need gps data to recover the balloon, would a gumstix setup be to much for this, should i look for something more simple to start with ?
[22:05] <DanielRichman> jcoxon: www-data doesn't have permission to write to /home/jcoxon/cusf-standalone-predictor/pred_alive.txt
[22:06] <DanielRichman> NigeySWales: gumstix, while more powerful than an arduino, would be more effort to use as a flight computer
[22:06] <Randomskk> it would actually be a lot of effort. and also expensive to lose
[22:06] <Randomskk> go with an arduino
[22:06] <DanielRichman> if you just need gps data, the complexity of the gumstix would mean that it reuqires more effort to end up with a tracker that is as reliable as an arduino
[22:06] <DanielRichman> also I believe you commit yourself to cross compiling hell
[22:07] <Randomskk> indeed
[22:07] <NigeySWales> i see, i thought that might be the case, i'll look up the arduino, sorry for the silly questions, lots more to come im sure lol, and no thank you on the cross compiling! lol
[22:08] <SpeedEvil> Well - you pretty much have to cross-compile anyway.
[22:08] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, yeah working now
[22:09] <DanielRichman> jcoxon: what was hte problem?
[22:09] <jcoxon> oh i mean the bash script was
[22:09] <SpeedEvil> But with arduino/AVR you're looking at maybe ~10K of total code including everything.
[22:09] <DanielRichman> oh right
[22:09] <jcoxon> not the changes i've made to the pred binary
[22:09] <SpeedEvil> With a functional gumstix - mabe 5M
[22:09] <jcoxon> which is odd consider the binary is teh same
[22:09] <astr2001uk> hey everyone, im from north wales, uk. i am looking at maybe sending a balloon up next month. i know there is a form posted on the ukhas website, do i just need to fill that in and send it off? i have searched the caa website, but havent found anything related to high altitude ballooning. sorry for the long question!
[22:10] <jcoxon> astr2001uk, yeah in theory that is all
[22:10] <jcoxon> they take a long time getting back to you
[22:10] <DanielRichman> the tricky bit is getting the reply
[22:10] <NigeySWales> SpeedEvil, im happy with 10k but 5MB :o thats alot of code!
[22:10] <jcoxon> to help that out - do some research on your launch site - i.e. not near big airports etc
[22:11] <jcoxon> astr2001uk, my suggestion is also to band together a bit
[22:11] <astr2001uk> launch site will be in the countryside, far away from airports, so no problem there
[22:11] <DanielRichman> jcoxon: are you sure hte binary is doing what you expect it to/there arn't freak weather conditions :P?
[22:12] <jcoxon> actually it is making a diference
[22:13] <jcoxon> but the opposite of what i expected
[22:13] <astr2001uk> jcoxon, thanks for the reply, my only worry is the landing. has anyone ever encountered problems regarding landing on roads/in the sea?!
[22:13] <jcoxon> the sea - yes
[22:13] <Randomskk> roads: very unlikely
[22:13] <Randomskk> sea: really quite likely
[22:14] <Randomskk> http://habhub.org/predict
[22:14] <Randomskk> gives fairly accurate predictions a few days beforehand
[22:14] <Randomskk> if it thinks it's landing near the cost or going over a city, don't launch
[22:14] <Randomskk> coast
[22:14] <astr2001uk> thats a good site, i have used an american university site before to calculate a prediction, this looks better
[22:15] <Randomskk> if nothing else this one uses metric
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[22:18] <jcoxon> hmmm with no changes to the pred binary mine and hte normal predictor give different descent values
[22:19] <jcoxon> same burst point
[22:19] <Randomskk> that is unusual
[22:19] <Randomskk> cached data maybe
[22:21] <jcoxon> yup
[22:21] <jcoxon> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=592c094db31f84563d731336d9dcdc75b0bb2f54
[22:21] <jcoxon> http://habhub.org/predict-jcoxon/#!/uuid=c61c3f47e840f2216165e48de75cb5d5dc922306
[22:21] <Randomskk> launch times are totally different
[22:22] <jcoxon> 4 minutes
[22:22] <Randomskk> :P those four minutes evidently make all the difference right
[22:22] <Randomskk> (they don't, I tried)
[22:22] <DanielRichman> shouldn't it have the same uuid
[22:22] <DanielRichman> if they're the same parameters
[22:22] <jonsowman> no the launch times are different
[22:22] <Randomskk> it wasn't the same time
[22:22] <DanielRichman> mmm
[22:22] <Randomskk> http://habhub.org/predict-jcoxon/#!/uuid=592c094db31f84563d731336d9dcdc75b0bb2f54http://habhub.org/predict-jcoxon/#!/uuid=592c094db31f84563d731336d9dcdc75b0bb2f54
[22:22] <Randomskk> uhm
[22:22] <Randomskk> http://habhub.org/predict-jcoxon/#!/uuid=592c094db31f84563d731336d9dcdc75b0bb2f54
[22:22] <Randomskk> is the same parameters exactly
[22:23] <jonsowman> and same UUID
[22:23] <jonsowman> :)
[22:23] <Randomskk> and yet still a different path
[22:23] <Randomskk> same gfs model too
[22:23] <Randomskk> that is... weird
[22:23] <jonsowman> hmm
[22:23] <jonsowman> yea
[22:23] <jcoxon> i reversed the changes to altitude.c i made
[22:23] <DanielRichman> well haven't you changed altitude.c?
[22:23] <DanielRichman> >.>
[22:23] <jcoxon> copied back the jonsowman version
[22:25] <Randomskk> they are like, still different?
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[22:30] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, oh crap i may have rolled back all your good work
[22:31] <jcoxon> i git reset --hard to before my changes
[22:31] <DanielRichman> jcoxon: the commands are in /var/log/auth.log
[22:33] <DanielRichman> jcoxon: http://pastebin.com/Mhwungbz
[22:34] <jcoxon> okay
[22:34] <jcoxon> will play with that later
[22:34] <jcoxon> time to go
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[22:40] <astr2001uk> what hardware is most commonly used for a flight computer?
[22:40] <Randomskk> the best thing to start with would be an arduino
[22:40] <Randomskk> AVRs and PICs are regularly used for flight computers
[22:41] <astr2001uk> ok thanks, i thought the arduino would be an ideal one
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[23:22] <Laurenceb> stupid seedstudio :(
[23:22] <Laurenceb> my alu enclosure has the wrong screwes
[23:22] <Laurenceb> *screws
[23:23] <Laurenceb> or rather they threaded the holes wrong - seems to be ~M2.5 and should be M2
[23:23] <SpeedEvil> they make enclosures?
[23:24] <Laurenceb> yes, badly
[23:24] <Laurenceb> guess i could rethread it as M3
[23:24] <Laurenceb> ive glued half the screws with eoxy
[23:24] <Laurenceb> but the top needs to be removable
[23:25] <Laurenceb> i'll send them an annoyed email
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[23:28] <SpeedEvil1> Sigh - last saw 'yes, badly'
[23:28] Nick change: SpeedEvil1 -> SpeedEvil
[23:29] <Laurenceb> <Laurenceb> guess i could rethread it as M3, ive glued half the screws with eoxy but the top needs to be removable soi'll send them an annoyed email
[23:31] <Laurenceb> i dont have a tap set, but a stainless M3 bolt works well for al
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[23:33] <SpeedEvil1> Sigh
[23:33] Nick change: SpeedEvil1 -> SpeedEvil
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[23:35] <Laurenceb> heh eme with a cc1020 would work with a smallish yagi
[23:36] <Laurenceb> but ... 1 day integration time
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[23:38] <Laurenceb> only 10 seconds with a 100W tx
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[23:42] Action: SpeedEvil needs new intertubes.
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[23:58] <NigeySWales> a breakout board is recommended for the lassen iq gps module ?
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