highaltitude.log.20101101

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[01:28] <juxta> ping Darkside
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[01:54] <Darkside> juxta: pong
[01:54] <juxta> heya
[01:54] <juxta> vk5nex == Arny, right?
[01:54] <Darkside> yup
[01:54] <Darkside> its on the website :D
[01:54] <Darkside> the 'sample' you posted, was my dad talking :P
[01:55] <juxta> i know ;)
[01:55] <Darkside> and yeah, VK5NEX = Arny
[01:55] <juxta> just getting the list of cards to post ready
[01:55] <Darkside> i guess you're sending out the cards :P
[01:55] <Darkside> hehe
[01:55] <juxta> rfmap is being helpful
[01:55] <Darkside> nice
[01:55] <Darkside> :D
[01:55] <juxta> but I wish there was an automated query api or something
[01:55] <juxta> rather than me running 60 queries manually and a lot of copy + paste
[01:55] <Darkside> acma radcom
[01:55] <Darkside> oh
[01:56] <Darkside> well, rip the ACMA radcom :P
[01:56] <juxta> too much work i imagine, hehe
[01:56] <Darkside> me and a friend startd doing that a while back
[01:56] <Darkside> we were hammering the database so hard that the website became noticably slow
[01:57] <juxta> whoops
[02:00] <Darkside> was good fun tho :)
[02:00] <Darkside> we got a lost of every RF site in south australia
[02:00] <Darkside> and all corresponding licenses associated with each site
[02:04] <juxta> hmm
[02:04] <juxta> is Helen a man's name too?
[02:04] <Darkside> dunno >_>
[02:04] <Darkside> maybe it was a second operator
[02:06] <Darkside> whats going to be on the cards?
[02:07] <Darkside> pics from horus 7 or 8?
[02:08] <juxta> yeah I think so
[02:08] <juxta> havent designed them yet
[02:08] <juxta> hmmm
[02:08] <juxta> lots of F-calls in victoria came in
[02:08] <juxta> somehow I suspect they weren't using their 10W limit :)
[02:09] <Darkside> hey... its possible
[02:10] <Darkside> its line of sight
[02:15] <eroomde> greetings aussie dudes
[02:15] <Darkside> greetings international dude
[02:15] <juxta> heya eroomde
[02:15] <eroomde> i'm not that international
[02:15] <eroomde> hey juxta
[02:16] <juxta> speaking of that, what every happened to you coming down this way eroomde? :-)
[02:16] <eroomde> funding fail
[02:16] <juxta> aw :(
[02:16] <eroomde> the grant was for a pair of post grads and a pair of post docs but alas it didn't get granted
[02:17] <Darkside> what were you heading down here for?
[02:18] <juxta> a PHD I think Darkside
[02:19] <eroomde> yep
[02:19] <eroomde> sorry am being slow to respond
[02:19] <Darkside> oh?
[02:19] <Darkside> what uni?
[02:19] <eroomde> having a bit of a tv streaming binge from some dodgy chinese site
[02:19] <eroomde> monash
[02:19] <juxta> haha, chinese tube sites are the best
[02:19] <Darkside> eroomde: were you going to be coming to a uni here or something?
[02:19] <juxta> IP? what IP?!
[02:20] <juxta> Darkside, yeah, Monash uni as he said :P
[02:20] <eroomde> Darkside: yep, PhD at Monash
[02:20] <Darkside> ohhhhh
[02:20] <Darkside> i thought you meant coming to adelaide :P
[02:20] <Darkside> nvm me...
[02:22] <eroomde> 'the event' is the tv show. quite good so far
[02:23] <juxta> ah right
[02:23] <juxta> i've seen commercials for that here
[02:24] <juxta> planes flying low to the ground spring to mind
[02:24] <juxta> ;p
[02:24] <eroomde> thats the one
[02:24] <juxta> Darkside, I had an order with futurlec... for once it didn't take months to arrive!
[02:25] <Darkside> nice!
[02:25] <Darkside> what did youg et?
[02:25] <juxta> lots of things
[02:25] <juxta> i dont really remember
[02:25] <Darkside> heh
[02:25] <Darkside> haha
[02:25] <juxta> opening the box now
[02:25] <Darkside> i still haven't got those batteries from ebay yet
[02:25] <juxta> lots of resistors, led's
[02:26] <juxta> heatshrink
[02:26] <juxta> hmm
[02:26] <juxta> listed on their site as 1m lengths
[02:26] <juxta> actually about 40cm
[02:26] <juxta> oh well
[02:26] <Darkside> heh
[02:26] <Darkside> oh yeah, you can have these batteries once i get them
[02:27] <Darkside> 32 x 1.5v energizer lithium AAs
[02:27] <juxta> headers and plugs
[02:27] <Darkside> shoudl last you a while :)
[02:27] <juxta> oh wow, really? what do I owe you?
[02:27] <Darkside> you launched my project to 32km
[02:27] <Darkside> thats good enough
[02:27] <juxta> oh sweet, a nibbler tool
[02:27] <juxta> i forgot about that
[02:28] <Darkside> the balloon launch is what won me the exhibition prize
[02:28] <Darkside> so i should give something back :P
[02:28] <juxta> alrighty - awesome!
[02:28] <juxta> thanks :)
[02:29] <Darkside> ok, time to go do some ironing and get ready to head into uni....
[02:30] <juxta> alrighty
[02:31] <juxta> ironing is the best hey
[02:31] <juxta> i have a massive basket of laundry waiting to be ironed too
[02:36] <Darkside> haha
[02:36] <Darkside> i just had to iron work clothes thankfully
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[02:43] <Darkside> ok, just shot my lecturer an email about the amateur course stuff
[02:43] <Darkside> since he wants to take the exam too :P
[02:44] <Darkside> http://www.adelaide.edu.au/directory/matthew.sorell
[02:44] <Darkside> kind of funny actually
[02:44] <Darkside> he's a very high profile lecturer & telecommunications consultant
[02:44] <Darkside> and he hasn't got his license yet :P
[02:45] <Darkside> http://www.abc.net.au/einsteinfactor/txt/s1635526.htm
[02:45] <Darkside> HAHAHAHAa
[02:45] <Darkside> oh man
[02:46] <SpeedEvil> Oh jesus.
[02:47] <Darkside> ok, almost time to head to uni..
[02:48] <SpeedEvil> wave.
[02:48] <Darkside> pff
[02:48] <Darkside> ok, time to go - cya
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[06:54] <earthshine> morning
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[07:02] <pretec> good morning
[07:02] <pretec> time for work -> seeya :-)
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[08:53] <m1x10> Hi all
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[10:39] <earthshine> morning
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[11:52] <Laurenceb_> SpeedEvil: ping
[11:55] <m1x10> I JUST GOT FREAKED. THEY CALLED ME IN ARMY IN 2 DAYS
[11:55] <m1x10> I CANT BELIEVE IT
[11:55] <Darkside> ?
[11:55] <m1x10> THEY TOLD IN FEBRUARY
[11:55] <Darkside> ???
[11:57] <m1x10> MAN
[11:58] <Laurenceb_> this is why i live in the UK
[11:59] <Darkside> what happened m1x10 ?
[11:59] <Darkside> oh crap
[11:59] <Darkside> some european countries have compulsory military service dont tey
[11:59] <Darkside> they
[12:00] <earthshine> m1x10 what country is that ?
[12:01] <SpeedEvil> ?
[12:01] <SpeedEvil> greece isn't it/
[12:01] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb
[12:02] <Laurenceb_> SpeedEvil: ddi you have a graph of adsl noise?
[12:02] <SpeedEvil> yes
[12:02] <SpeedEvil> I'm not sure where my scripts to generate it went though.
[12:02] <SpeedEvil> What do you mean/
[12:03] <Laurenceb_> i was wondering if there were any neat DDS/SDR hacks possible with an adsl router
[12:03] <SpeedEvil> Basically no.
[12:04] <SpeedEvil> The DSL stack is basically without exception a binary blob.
[12:04] <m1x10> GREECE IAM
[12:04] <m1x10> THEY TOLD ME I WILL JOIN IN FEB
[12:04] <m1x10> NOW THEY JUST CALLED ME
[12:04] <SpeedEvil> It generates noise through a complex dance between the exchange and the modem.
[12:04] <SpeedEvil> :/
[12:04] <m1x10> AND SAID I GO IN 2 DAYS
[12:05] <SpeedEvil> Sorry.
[12:05] <Laurenceb_> diudnt you get out a frequency/noise plot?
[12:05] <SpeedEvil> Well - it'll be over later.
[12:05] <SpeedEvil> err
[12:05] <SpeedEvil> over sooner.
[12:05] <SpeedEvil> Sorry.
[12:06] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: yes, but that's parsing data from the modem about the current noise levels.
[12:06] <Laurenceb_> so how did you set the frequency?
[12:07] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: I diddn't - it's bands of a fixed frequency.
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[12:08] <Laurenceb_> oh so you can get it to dump noise vrs frequency?
[12:08] <SpeedEvil> yes
[12:09] <Laurenceb_> not very useful then
[12:10] <SpeedEvil> Essentially not - it can only provide noise and signal power estimates for active DSL connections.
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[12:10] <SpeedEvil> In principle it would be a useful SDR platform, but not with the stock firmware.
[12:10] <SpeedEvil> m1x10: :/ how long is it - 9 months?
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[12:21] <m1x10> they called me in the Artillery group
[12:21] <m1x10> SpeedEvil yes
[12:22] <m1x10> sory i dont answer immediately i got kernel panic
[12:22] <SpeedEvil> :/
[12:22] <SpeedEvil> Understandable!
[12:22] <SpeedEvil> I suppose you've considered the various deferments?
[12:22] <m1x10> the place is called thiva 400km from me
[12:23] <m1x10> deferments ?
[12:23] <m1x10> i gont understand
[12:23] <m1x10> 38°19'33.16"N 23°19'10.10"E
[12:24] <m1x10> man im gonna be in the guns&roses situation
[12:24] <m1x10> Artillery !!!!! lol
[12:25] <SpeedEvil> Ways to be excused from duty.
[12:25] <m1x10> to be excused from duty ?
[12:25] <SpeedEvil> Being very insane, for example, or having fathered more than 3 children.
[12:25] <m1x10> aaa
[12:25] <m1x10> i dont have
[12:25] <m1x10> such a thing
[12:25] <m1x10> im all ok
[12:25] <earthshine> you have two days left ;)
[12:26] <m1x10> but yes we have excuses for that
[12:26] <m1x10> like 8 months
[12:26] <m1x10> instead of 9
[12:26] <m1x10> of nothing if u call insane
[12:26] <m1x10> of/or
[12:26] <m1x10> earthshine: you get me stressed!
[12:27] <m1x10> my stomach is already acting weird
[12:27] <earthshine> You have 2 days left to father 3 children I meant
[12:27] <m1x10> aaaaa
[12:27] <m1x10> lol!
[12:27] <m1x10> i had girl the last 3 years but we separated before 2 months
[12:27] <earthshine> i'm sure you can manage that
[12:28] <SpeedEvil> Do you get internet access some of the time - or are you completely shut-in?
[12:28] <m1x10> no I will get free time.
[12:28] <m1x10> some military camps have internet cafes
[12:28] <m1x10> little ones
[12:29] <m1x10> but ok ifu wanna spend some free time
[12:29] <m1x10> I promise Ill join #highaltitude !
[12:29] <m1x10> (to make your lifes worst)
[12:29] <m1x10> haha
[12:30] <m1x10> greek services suck. no organization.
[12:30] <m1x10> thats why wehave 800.000 civil servants
[12:30] <m1x10> they cant organize
[12:31] <m1x10> 10 million ppl, then 800.000 are civil servants.
[12:31] <m1x10> foreign countries will laugh with us
[12:35] <earthshine> Well best of luck.
[12:35] <earthshine> Try not to get killed.
[12:36] <earthshine> Death is not an option.
[12:49] <m1x10> omg
[12:51] <SpeedEvil> I guess it's fortunate that greece is unlikely to be invaded/invading anyone soon
[12:52] <earthshine> I think Greece is just about within the radius of the missiles from North Korea
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[12:57] <Darkside> holy crap WEbSDR is awesome
[12:57] <Darkside> i've piped the audio out from it into fldigi, and am decoding PSK from around the world :P
[12:58] <SpeedEvil> :)
[13:00] <ms7821> :D
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[13:09] Action: SpeedEvil thinks of danegild.
[13:09] <SpeedEvil> Would greece have to pay kimuzo?
[13:11] <Darkside> hmm
[13:11] <Darkside> i wonder if WSPR will decode using this thing
[13:11] <Laurenceb_> hmm i could do websdr with a cc
[13:13] <Darkside> what bandwidth?
[13:13] <Laurenceb_> 150khz
[13:13] <Darkside> heh
[13:14] <Darkside> maybe for EME or something then :P
[13:14] <m1x10> SpeedEvil: all war problems come from turkey
[13:14] <m1x10> i hope the diplomacy will play a good role
[13:16] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb; is it 150KHz tx bw too?
[13:18] <Laurenceb_> yes, but its not very flexible
[13:18] <SpeedEvil> I mean - can you just broadcast with supplying it with IQ samples
[13:18] <Laurenceb_> you cant just chuck in anything, you can only set the baud rate and deviation
[13:18] <SpeedEvil> ah
[13:18] <Laurenceb_> so no aiui
[13:19] <Laurenceb_> the tx chain silicon is different
[13:19] <Laurenceb_> its just connecting the LO to a power amp
[13:19] <Laurenceb_> bypassing the mixers and whatnot
[13:20] <Laurenceb_> i was thinking of http://www1.conrad-uk.com/scripts/wgate/zcop_uk/~flNlc3Npb249UDkwX0NPUF9VSzpDX0FHQVRFMDY6MDAwMC4wMGIxLmE3NmM0NDljJn5odHRwX2NvbnRlbnRfY2hhcnNldD1pc28tODg1OS0xJn5TdGF0ZT0yMzc3MDk2OTg2====?~template=PCAT_AREA_S_BROWSE&mfhelp=&p_selected_area=%24ROOT&p_selected_area_fh=&perform_special_action=&glb_user_js=Y&shop=UK&vgl_artikel_in_index=&product_show_id=&p_page_to_display=DirektSearch&~cookies=1&zhmmh_lfo=&zhmmh_area_kz
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[13:20] <Laurenceb_> eek
[13:20] <Laurenceb_> madness - i was thinking of conrad 641138 - 89
[13:21] <SpeedEvil> I see
[13:21] <Laurenceb_> its a DCF77 receiver module - use that together with a VCXO to get a stable time base for the cc
[13:21] <SpeedEvil> or gps of course
[13:21] <SpeedEvil> with a pps out
[13:22] <Laurenceb_> yeah, but DCF77 looks nice as its easier to get a signal
[13:22] <SpeedEvil> yeah
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[14:36] <Laurenceb_> http://www.pvelectronics.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=9&products_id=8
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[14:40] <SpeedEvil> I wonder what the jitter is
[14:42] <Laurenceb_> its got a 32Khz crystal on
[14:42] <Laurenceb_> so hopefully not bad
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[14:43] <Laurenceb_> the VCXOs have low jitter so you could remove some jitter with the pll
[14:43] <Laurenceb_> well digital pll
[14:44] <Laurenceb_> VCXO - counter input on micro thats compared with the module timing output
[14:44] <Laurenceb_> then DAC to feedback and control the VCXO
[14:46] <Laurenceb_> i wonder if you could make a smaller ant for it
[14:47] <Laurenceb_> would be fairly cool if it was smaller than gps as well
[14:49] <SpeedEvil> Well - small LF ants have fundamental problems
[14:49] <SpeedEvil> Though IIRC you can cheat with superconductors
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[14:51] <Laurenceb_> guess you could make it thin with some of the magnetic foils
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[15:08] <Laurenceb_> still its small enough to fit in my enclosure
[15:08] <Laurenceb_> would need a way to hack on a VCXO
[15:16] <Laurenceb_> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/search/searchBrowseAction.html?method=getProduct&R=6721387
[15:16] <Laurenceb_> guess that could be dead bugged
[15:19] <earthshine> hi
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[17:00] Action: Hibby is working at setting up the satellite office once again :)
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[17:19] Action: SpeedEvil imagines Hibby floating around.
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[17:22] <Hibby> lol
[17:24] Action: stilldavid wishes he had a satellite office
[17:25] Action: LazyLeopard just watched ISS go over... ;)
[17:26] <Hibby> nice
[17:27] <LazyLeopard> 'bout as bright as Jupiter this time. ;)
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[17:44] <kd0mto> sweet
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[21:02] <fsphil|eee> did some long-range tests of the new image code today, up the local mountain 10km from my house. the payload sitting on my desk
[21:03] <fsphil|eee> worked really well
[21:04] <SpeedEvil> :)
[21:05] <SpeedEvil> Congrats.
[21:09] <fsphil|eee> can't wait to try it out in flight now
[21:09] <fsphil|eee> also I've learned that fldigi's rtty modem is very strange
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[21:09] <fsphil|eee> I've ran the same recording through twice now, and got different results
[21:09] <fsphil|eee> packets that didn't decode the first time, decoded the second time
[21:10] <SpeedEvil> odd.
[21:10] <fsphil|eee> the number of bytes corrected by the reed-solomon code varies
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[21:29] <NigeySWales> evening
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[21:31] <fsphil> hya NigeySWales
[21:32] <NigeySWales> hey fsphil :) just browsing the ukhas site, not sure if it's put me off yet or inspiring me .. lol
[21:33] <SpeedEvil> It is fun.
[21:33] <SpeedEvil> What's your background?\
[21:33] <SpeedEvil> And what part of the world?
[21:33] <SpeedEvil> oh
[21:33] <NigeySWales> sure looks like it, i'm just an amateur astronomer in the u.k and thought this maybe something nice to try out .. i'm no wizz at electronics though :(
[21:33] <SpeedEvil> the swales in UK or aus?
[21:34] <NigeySWales> UK, cardiff
[21:34] <SpeedEvil> ah.
[21:34] <SpeedEvil> there are people here from both. :)
[21:34] <NigeySWales> :D great
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[21:34] <SpeedEvil> Astrophoto is harder.
[21:34] <SpeedEvil> As you need a stable platform.
[21:35] <NigeySWales> astrophoto is a knightmare where i live, light pollution etc etc :(
[21:35] <fsphil> snap
[21:35] <NigeySWales> so i though try a HAB and get some earth shots instead lol
[21:35] <NigeySWales> thought*
[21:35] <fsphil> I didn't know what I was missing until I went out of town with a small telescope - saw the orion nebula properly for the first time last year, unbelievable
[21:35] <SpeedEvil> EArth shots are easy. Especially with the sun out. :)
[21:36] <fsphil> hab-astro shots would be a neat tric
[21:36] <fsphil> +k
[21:36] <NigeySWales> SpeedEvil: i just saw some great images from theregister with their PARIS project .. gave me the idea to try it, or at least look into it.
[21:36] <SpeedEvil> Was habble edmoores?
[21:37] <SpeedEvil> unfortunately habble is _totally_ un-googlable. AS people can't type.
[21:37] <NigeySWales> fsphil: i feel your pain, m42 is a gorgeous sight naked eye in a dark sky, but here, i have 2 sodium streetlight shining into my garden, makes me wonder why i bother with the c8 scope :/
[21:37] <SpeedEvil> IR laser pointer -> streetlight top
[21:37] <NigeySWales> very tempted!
[21:38] <fsphil> yea
[21:38] <SpeedEvil> LPS or HPS
[21:38] <NigeySWales> most of my american friends can't believe ive never seen the milky way from my garden :(
[21:38] <SpeedEvil> It's moderately dark here.
[21:38] <NigeySWales> although a garden in the u.s tends to be slightly larger than over here lol !
[21:38] <SpeedEvil> On one occasion I've seen the milky way from bed.
[21:38] <SpeedEvil> (fife, scotland)
[21:38] <NigeySWales> wow !
[21:39] <NigeySWales> youre lucky up there, you have the aurora too
[21:39] <SpeedEvil> Though it's not usually clear enough low down.
[21:41] <sbasuita> SpeedEvil: care to elaborate on ir laser -> streetlamp?
[21:41] <eroomde> SpeedEvil: it was
[21:41] <juxta-> tricks the sensor into thinking it's day time and the light turns off sbasuita
[21:41] <NigeySWales> yeah the weather really doesnt play ball at low altitude, between now and march id reckon cardiff would probably only get about 20 - 30 nights of clear skies, and even then the LP and wind put a downer on things
[21:42] <sbasuita> juxta-: yeah but i was thinking practical details
[21:42] <juxta-> oh yeah, a high window or something might be needed :)
[21:43] <sbasuita> damn, i can't see any from my window :(
[21:43] <sbasuita> light pollution round here is horrible
[21:43] <SpeedEvil> sbasuita: laser-level type thing.
[21:43] <sbasuita> the sky glows orange
[21:43] <NigeySWales> i have 1 outside my front bedroom to, perfect view of that one.. hmmm
[21:44] <NigeySWales> sbasuita: ive not long been sent the new LP maps for the u.k and it's geting horrendous
[21:44] <sbasuita> NigeySWales: what's the best place to go in southeast england?
[21:44] <NigeySWales> even the base of brecon is effected now :(
[21:44] <NigeySWales> let me check for you
[21:45] <NigeySWales> http://www.avex-asso.org/dossiers/pl/uk/vue-generale.jpg
[21:45] <NigeySWales> thats the newest data
[21:46] <sbasuita> NigeySWales: cheers
[21:46] <sbasuita> NigeySWales: i'm pretty much underneath that A329(M) label
[21:46] <SpeedEvil> How is that data generated?
[21:46] <NigeySWales> dam :(
[21:47] <NigeySWales> SpeedEvil: i'm not 100% sure, i "think" its combined from military and commercial sattelites, hence the veryy very few updates :/
[21:47] <sbasuita> ah well
[21:47] <sbasuita> i think i'll try and get some work experience in an observatory
[21:47] <NigeySWales> id love to, chile here i come! lol
[21:48] <sbasuita> :P
[21:48] <NigeySWales> makes me wonder if investing £3k on ccd imagers is worth it
[21:48] <sbasuita> ouch
[21:48] <NigeySWales> i know, and thats "cheap"
[21:49] <fsphil> hmm.. that's a slightly england-centric map ;-)
[21:49] <juxta-> commit a crime and get sent to the penal colony of australia, we have lot of dark sky. you'll have to put up with 45 degree weather though :)
[21:49] <juxta-> and snakes i suppose
[21:49] <fsphil> spiders
[21:49] <NigeySWales> hey if the skies are dark and clear id suffer in the daytime for it!
[21:49] <juxta-> yep that too
[21:50] <fsphil> dont' mind snakes, but spiders
[21:50] <fsphil> eeesh
[21:50] <NigeySWales> snap, i dont like the house spiders we have here let alone ones than can kill you :|
[21:50] <fsphil> you should see my shed
[21:51] <NigeySWales> i can imagine, especially this time of year to !
[21:51] <fsphil> actually probably best that you don't
[21:51] <NigeySWales> lol
[21:54] <NigeySWales> i'm glad i just read the FAQ, i'd not have thought about calling ATC just before launching
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[21:59] <fsphil> It might not be your local ATC either, my notam required me to phone an ATC in Scotland before launch
[22:02] <NigeySWales> ohh, thats handy to know, im guessing mine should be cardiff international
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[22:03] <NigeySWales> looking at the guides, it appears my biggest hurdle / learning curve is going to be the radio stuff
[22:04] <fsphil> that's not as difficult as it looks I think
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[22:05] <NigeySWales> lots of blips and bleeps and stuff
[22:05] <fsphil> have you any experience with radio at all?
[22:06] <SpeedEvil> You've done mictocontrollers?
[22:06] <NigeySWales> no, would be a total newbie at anything related to radio
[22:06] <SpeedEvil> microcontrollers aren't really related to radio.
[22:06] <NigeySWales> basic electronics from school.. many years ago, other than that it'll be dummies guide to ........
[22:07] <SpeedEvil> Microcontrollers are to radio what teapots are to flambe'.
[22:07] <NigeySWales> i do have a friend whos's offered to help, pretty good with electronics and has a degree in computer science o fingers crossed!
[22:07] <SpeedEvil> :)
[22:08] <fsphil> this will be a good learning experience for you, two fields of science :)
[22:09] <fsphil> though to be honest you don't need to know all that much about radio
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[22:09] <fsphil> just the basics
[22:09] <NigeySWales> indeed, i'm quite looking forward to attempting this, i guess patients will be the key here
[22:10] <NigeySWales> as my grandad always told me, if in doubt, buy a book :D lol
[22:14] <fsphil> I need a good radio book
[22:17] <NigeySWales> i need a good book on how to handle a fiance to i think, does 1 exist? :D
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[22:29] <Laurenceb> bah stupid skin effects
[22:29] <Laurenceb> dcf-77 wont penetrate my alu enclosure very well
[22:30] <SpeedEvil> lol.
[22:30] <SpeedEvil> Slot it?
[22:30] <Laurenceb> or just stick the ferrite on top
[22:31] <Laurenceb> theres got to be something clever you could do with magnetic foils
[22:31] <Laurenceb> if either end was covered in magnetic foil that was folded inside and connected to either end of the ferrite
[22:31] <Laurenceb> that should work
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[22:40] <vaulner> hm.. i got my ham radio license few days ago
[22:40] <vaulner> i'm waiting for my callsign
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[22:40] <vaulner> and i'm not very experienced in hab radio either
[22:40] <fsphil|eee> congrats :)
[22:41] <jcoxon> evening all
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[22:41] <fsphil|eee> hi hi jcoxon
[22:42] <jcoxon> hey
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[22:49] <vaulner> guys, will 4x Energizers be enough?
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[22:49] <vaulner> to keep running the flight computer?
[22:50] <SpeedEvil> lithium energisers are popular
[22:50] <jcoxon> vaulner, of course depends on the flight computer
[22:50] <jcoxon> its not difficult to work out
[22:50] <jcoxon> just need to measure the current
[22:50] <vaulner> oh, ok :)
[22:51] <vaulner> and will i have problems (freezing) with the camera?
[22:51] <vaulner> i'm talking about the battery
[22:51] <jcoxon> what camera and what battery
[22:51] <jcoxon> probably not
[22:51] <jcoxon> cameras run quite hot
[22:51] <jcoxon> especially if taking lots of photos
[22:52] <jcoxon> (energizer lithiums are approximately 3000mAh)
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[22:54] <vaulner> the camera is a canon ixus 55
[22:55] <jcoxon> with its own battery?
[22:55] <jonsowman> yo jcoxon
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[22:55] <vaulner> yes
[22:55] <jonsowman> any news on the balloon front? didn't manage to get to the lab today, will try tomorrow though
[22:56] <jcoxon> vaulner, it should be fine - best check the battery is lithium based (will say on the side)
[22:56] <vaulner> yeah, it is li-ion
[22:56] <jcoxon> jonsowman, there is chance that the latest randomsolutions order will come through this week
[22:56] <jonsowman> okay cool
[22:57] <Darkside> lithium ions won like cold temps tho
[22:57] <Darkside> once the electrolyte freezes, they'll stop working
[22:57] <Darkside> or is that just lithium polymers
[22:57] <jcoxon> but the camera itself will keep them warm
[22:58] <Darkside> even at -30 degrees C?
[22:58] <jcoxon> cameras can get quite hot in low pressure environments
[22:58] <jcoxon> in my experience they seem to be okay
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[23:00] <jcoxon> jonsowman, current predictions aren't great
[23:00] <jonsowman> link?
[23:00] <jcoxon> heading into belgium and then beyond
[23:01] <jonsowman> heh
[23:01] <jcoxon> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=857d4df2060fd8f243a846e0d2e0f5a4d02aae4a
[23:01] <jcoxon> with out float as well
[23:01] <jonsowman> hmm
[23:01] <jcoxon> (as the old cusf doesn't work)
[23:01] <jonsowman> yes I see
[23:01] <jonsowman> not sure why that's broken
[23:04] <jcoxon> any chance of getting it working?
[23:05] <jonsowman> potentially - I had nothing to do with it so I couldn't even begin to guess what's wrong with it
[23:06] <jcoxon> oh well
[23:06] <jcoxon> never mind
[23:07] <jonsowman> I shall try and investigate if I have time
[23:07] <jonsowman> doesn't seem likely in the next few days, heh :(
[23:07] <fsphil|eee> oh wow, the winds are quite extreme this week
[23:08] <fsphil|eee> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=c5cf26ac2ff098eb997a3366499028b8de40b767
[23:09] <jcoxon> fsphil|eee, we should fly floaters from you
[23:09] <fsphil|eee> yes, definitely!
[23:10] <jcoxon> jonsowman, do you keep the same pred binary?
[23:10] <jcoxon> could i drop in my float pred binary?
[23:11] <fsphil|eee> I've got some nichrome wire ordered, to make a polystyrene cutter
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[23:11] <jonsowman> different binary between the new and old predictors
[23:11] <fsphil|eee> but also going to try and reproduce Upu's cut-down experiment
[23:12] <jcoxon> jonsowman, how about hte hourly predictor one?
[23:12] <jonsowman> same binary as the new predictor
[23:12] <jonsowman> rjw's
[23:13] <jcoxon> ooo so i could clone the predictor and just drop in my binary
[23:13] <jcoxon> well drop in my altitude.c changes
[23:14] <jonsowman> the standalone or the hourly?
[23:14] <jcoxon> well clone the standalone
[23:15] <Darkside> fsphil|eee: what are you using for the uplink?
[23:15] <jonsowman> I do intend to integrate your changes into the standalone
[23:15] <jonsowman> how do you pass the float time?
[23:15] <jonsowman> argument to the binary?
[23:15] <fsphil> Darkside, the onboard computer would decide when to cut-down based on gps position
[23:16] <Darkside> thats one way of doing it
[23:16] <Darkside> i think juxta was woring on a DTMF decoder
[23:16] <fsphil> though an uplink is definitely worth a think
[23:16] <jcoxon> jonsowman, hard coded currently
[23:16] <Darkside> so they can choose when to cut it down
[23:16] <jcoxon> but its easily added as an cmd arg
[23:16] <jonsowman> or read from the scenario.ini file
[23:17] <jonsowman> that really does need to be done, I'll get round to it
[23:18] <jcoxon> yeah well it would be helpful to plan for sat
[23:18] <jonsowman> yeah
[23:18] <jonsowman> understand
[23:18] <fsphil> Darkside, I'd like to do make an rtty decoder - I suspect it would be easier to do on an avr
[23:18] <fsphil> than dtmf
[23:18] <Darkside> i've heard of people doing it
[23:18] <Darkside> oh DTMF would be easier
[23:18] <Darkside> FFT, look for peaks
[23:18] <Darkside> do they match with a table, then you have a decoded symbol
[23:21] <fsphil> the adc is free so that's definitely a possibility
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[23:24] <jonsowman> hmm
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[23:26] <RocketBoy> has anyone got anything I could use to do thermal modelling for hab
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[23:33] <RocketBoy> ho hum - night all
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