highaltitude.log.20101030

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[08:00] <jcoxon> Morning all
[08:01] <juxta|console> heya jcoxon
[08:01] <kd0mto> ugh, this PSK modem is kicking my ass.
[08:02] <m1x10> hi all
[08:02] #highaltitude: mode change '+o jcoxon' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.
[08:02] <jcoxon> Op #highaltitude
[08:03] <kd0mto> Who would have thought that a PSK modem implemented on a dsPIC would be so difficult.
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[08:04] <jcoxon> Wb8elk launch today
[08:05] <jcoxon> Should be on spacenear.us
[08:05] Action: kd0mto hopes to be awake for it.
[08:06] <jcoxon> kd0mto,are you in receiving range of his flights?
[08:06] Action: kd0mto looks
[08:06] <jcoxon> Huntsville, Alabama
[08:07] <kd0mto> I'm in Iowa, so I don't think so.
[08:07] <kd0mto> The Wisconsin one I just heard about sould possible thought.
[08:07] <jcoxon> Shame,some on range dl-fldigi
[08:08] <kd0mto> Is this going to be a flight on spacenear.us or just igate through APRS?
[08:08] <juxta|console> what time is the launch jcoxon?
[08:09] <jcoxon> Its multiple payloads some with aprs but also 2 with dominoex rx to be used with dl-fldigi
[08:09] <kd0mto> ahh
[08:09] <jcoxon> 9am cdt
[08:10] <jcoxon> Juxtaposition could you clear the tracker and add a simple title
[08:10] <jcoxon> I'm on my phone currently
[08:11] <jcoxon> Hays,auto complete
[08:11] <jcoxon> Juxta, that was
[08:11] <jcoxon> Right bbl
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[08:11] <juxta|console> no worries, will do
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[08:25] <earthshine> juxta: ping
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[08:29] <juxta|console> hey earthshine
[08:29] <earthshine> oh hi
[08:29] <earthshine> just sent you a DM
[08:29] <earthshine> not sure if you can get it though?
[08:30] <juxta|console> ah, not on my other logon, will see that in about an hour :)
[08:30] <earthshine> you should use Quassell ;)
[08:30] <earthshine> I ws just saying the FSA03 replacement has FINALLY arrived
[08:30] <juxta|console> woo!
[08:30] <earthshine> terrible customer service - i wont deal with those cowboys again
[08:30] <juxta|console> awesome work Mike :)
[08:30] <earthshine> i'll post it out to you ASAP
[08:31] <juxta|console> i'll shoot you my mailing address when I get home
[08:31] <earthshine> cool
[08:31] <juxta|console> i've got to run for now... back in an hour or so
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[08:32] <earthshine> cya
[08:33] <m1x10> earthshine: do u happen to sell the esawdust.com breakouts assembled with fsa03 ?
[08:37] <earthshine> Sorry no - dont stock the FSA03s any more as they just didnt sell
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[08:40] <m1x10> strange that fsa03 didnt sell
[08:42] <m1x10> do u have any ublox5 gps online?
[08:43] Action: LazyLeopard speculates: limited application, I guess, which didn't fit earthshine's main market?
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[09:02] <Darkside> hey all
[09:02] <Darkside> thanks for letting me use the tracker yesterday
[09:03] <Darkside> it worked really well, lots of people got to see it
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[09:18] <m1x10> I found an fsa03 with new breakout! http://www.beyondlogic.org/fsa03/
[09:19] <juxta> you don't really need a breakout if you're making your own pcb's m1x10
[09:19] <fsphil> no RF problems then Darkside?
[09:23] <fsphil> 6 hour internet outage last night, no fun at all: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-11656851
[09:24] <m1x10> !
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[09:37] <LazyLeopard> Hmmm... Talk about failing at a critical point... I'd have expected things to be just a bit more distributed than that...
[09:41] <fsphil> indeed
[09:41] <fsphil> no mention of what actually happened
[09:42] <LazyLeopard> clearly a major fubar...
[09:49] <m1x10> fsphil: linksprite responded to my mail about IR cam and told me its just the same chip. And the IR is automatically switched on/off depending on light.
[09:50] <fsphil> ah-ha - that's pretty good
[09:51] <LazyLeopard> How's the IR switched on and off? Does it mechanically flip an IR filter in and out?
[09:51] <m1x10> LazyLeopard: I dont know that.
[09:51] <fsphil> probably just turns the LEDs on/off
[09:51] <m1x10> you can mail support@linksprite.com
[09:51] <fsphil> the price is too low for it to have a mechanical filter
[09:52] Action: LazyLeopard has a low-light webcam that does that; plays havoc with focus.
[09:52] <m1x10> fsphil where do u see the price!?
[09:52] <LazyLeopard> Presumably it's using a mask, then?
[09:53] <fsphil> m1x10, well based on the price of the non-IR LED version
[09:53] <m1x10> aa
[09:53] <m1x10> ok
[09:54] <fsphil> be interesting to see if it makes better pictures with an IR filter
[09:54] <juxta> LazyLeopard, I think it's IR illumination, rather than an IR filter
[09:55] <juxta> which would sort of imply that it doesnt have a filter I guess
[09:55] <LazyLeopard> Ah. Right. The kind that'll see maybe six feet in the dark on a good night...
[09:55] <fsphil> that's it
[09:56] <fsphil> not much use for hab'ing unfortunately ;-)
[09:56] <m1x10> hey juxta! I don't remember but do u happen to have an fsa03 assembled board?
[09:56] <juxta> m1x10, as in a flight computer board?
[09:57] <m1x10> I mean that from esawdust.com. The assembled thing alone.
[09:57] <juxta> oh, right
[09:57] <m1x10> have?
[09:57] <juxta> no, I dont - i dont buy them in a breakout
[09:57] <m1x10> ah ok
[09:58] <juxta> a friend has a few of them though, so I've seen them
[09:58] <m1x10> can you do me favour?
[09:58] <m1x10> ask your friend if he likes to sell me one?
[09:58] <m1x10> esawdust.com stopped selling.
[09:59] <m1x10> and my pcb which supports only that breakout is on the way to china..
[09:59] <juxta> I think they're pretty much tied up
[09:59] <juxta> ah
[09:59] <juxta> well, I can ask
[09:59] <m1x10> sorry, what do u mean?
[09:59] <m1x10> tied up?
[09:59] <juxta> in use
[09:59] <m1x10> aa
[09:59] <juxta> but i'll ask
[09:59] <m1x10> Oh do it man
[10:00] <m1x10> im totally out of plan
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[10:44] <fsphil> m1x10, you could make your own breakout boards
[10:49] <juxta> ping amboar
[10:55] <m1x10> fsphil my problem with fsa03 is soldering at most.
[10:55] <juxta> it's quite easy to solder
[10:55] <fsphil> easier to solder it to a board than to wires I think
[10:55] <m1x10> i dont want it on the mainboard
[10:56] <m1x10> i want it modular
[10:56] <juxta> make a little breakout then
[10:56] <fsphil> yea that's a good plan
[10:56] <juxta> jcoxon has a design, he might help you out :)
[10:56] <m1x10> I've talked with jcoxon, he cant help me.
[10:57] <Randomskk> wait, so you wanted the gps to be connected via wires to your main board?
[10:57] <Randomskk> oh, but it has to be a ublox5? does it actually? can't you just use any gps? they all do vcc, gnd and serial generally
[10:58] <m1x10> the mainboard will have a female header
[10:58] <m1x10> the breakout will have a mail header
[10:58] <m1x10> male*
[10:58] <m1x10> I want ublox
[10:58] <m1x10> I learned it
[10:58] <m1x10> I like it
[10:58] <m1x10> I spent much time decoding its protocol
[10:58] <Randomskk> if you use nmea they are all similar. forcing yourself to use ublox is clearly an issue if you can't get any
[10:59] <m1x10> ublox got 2 things I like at most. A universal sentence that has all kings of info gathered.
[10:59] <m1x10> 2nd vertical speed
[10:59] <juxta> why not put male headers on both m1x10 and use cable, then you can have it work with whatever pinout you like
[10:59] <Randomskk> you can compute vertical speed as the derivative of altitude really easily
[10:59] <juxta> use a* cable
[11:02] <m1x10> juxta i still need a breakout
[11:03] <m1x10> sparkfun got a new ublox5 with sarantel antenna
[11:03] <m1x10> but 90$
[11:03] <juxta> use jcoxon's design, or maybe see if he has some spares
[11:04] <m1x10> I asked him to make an assembled for me and payhim the money but he sais he cant
[11:05] <juxta> well thats fair enough, I imagine he's quite busy - but it's easy to solder one yourself
[11:05] <Randomskk> you could design your own pcb or get a blank from him
[11:05] <Randomskk> soldering them isn't too hard
[11:06] <m1x10> my problem is dual: I have already sent a pcb which supports the esawdust breakout. 2ndly I won't solder again an expensive device.
[11:07] <Randomskk> so make a new breakout that has the same pinout as the esawdust one to solve problem one
[11:07] <Randomskk> you won't get better at soldering without practise
[11:07] <m1x10> I have destroyed the ttl cam, the fsa03 and the gsm module. I wont solder again such expensive devices.
[11:08] <Randomskk> what do you do to them?
[11:08] <m1x10> rape?
[11:08] <m1x10> i dont have good soldering iron
[11:08] <m1x10> fat noses
[11:08] <m1x10> broken noses
[11:08] <m1x10> want to see my iron ?
[11:09] <m1x10> http://imagebin.org/120908
[11:09] <Randomskk> ew
[11:09] <Randomskk> uhm, get a new tip or better iron?
[11:09] <m1x10> a solder station with a good solder iron costs >60$ which I cant afforfd
[11:09] <Randomskk> gonna be less than the cost of any of those three things you've already destroyed
[11:09] <juxta> you just need the right tool, this is what I use: http://www.airmagicfx.com/img/3-BUTANE-BLOWTORCH-Mag.jpg
[11:10] <m1x10> lol juxta
[11:10] <m1x10> right now I have collcted money to buy a new radio. About 50E from radiometrix.
[11:10] <juxta> seriously though, I use a $20 soldering iron and it's no problem to do surface mount
[11:11] <m1x10> I should change my priorities
[11:11] <m1x10> first buy a station
[11:11] <m1x10> then the rest
[11:11] <juxta> here's my soldering iron
[11:11] <juxta> http://jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=TS1554&keywords=soldering+iron&form=KEYWORD
[11:12] <m1x10> looks nice. can you change the noses?
[11:12] <fsphil> +1 for soldering practice -- I used to be awful at it, but have definitely improved
[11:12] <juxta> yes, you can m1x10, but I never do, I dont have any other tips
[11:12] <m1x10> well I need something else too
[11:13] <m1x10> I must a way to clean the tips from the remained solder
[11:13] <juxta> the blowtorch wasnt so silly - I do use a blow torch for very large joints
[11:13] <m1x10> that breaks the iron
[11:13] <m1x10> I must find*
[11:13] <juxta> this is what you need m1x10
[11:13] <juxta> http://www.rapidonline.com/netalogue/photos/M074321W01.jpg
[11:14] <juxta> it will cost a couple of dollars and will do a great job of cleaning the iron
[11:14] <m1x10> hmm heading to sparkfun. I think ive seen that there.
[11:14] <juxta> im sure you can get it more locally
[11:15] <juxta> either that, or use this + water: http://hotbutter.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/sponge.jpg
[11:15] <fsphil> juxta, those wire spongie things any good?
[11:16] <juxta> yes, if you compare it to a sponge & water it's the best $2 you'll spend :)
[11:16] <m1x10> http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8965
[11:16] <fsphil> shall do!
[11:16] <fsphil> do they need replaced after a while?
[11:17] <juxta> they get clogged with solder, but I just shake it out every now and again
[11:17] <Randomskk> yea, the wire things are great
[11:17] <juxta> I may have replaced the brass pad once I think
[11:17] <Randomskk> but won't help with a tip like m1x10's really
[11:17] <juxta> no
[11:17] <Randomskk> you can also buy little pots of tip re-tinner
[11:17] <juxta> that's too far gone
[11:17] <juxta> yeah
[11:17] <juxta> that helps too
[11:17] <Randomskk> which are massively noxious
[11:17] <Randomskk> but help a lot
[11:17] <juxta> but if you keep it clean you generally dont need it
[11:17] <Randomskk> however to be honest I would buy a new tip at that point
[11:17] <Randomskk> yea
[11:17] <fsphil> I've got some re-tinner
[11:18] <fsphil> yikes m1x10, just saw the pic of your iron -- no wonder you're burning things :)
[11:19] <juxta> m1x10, if you want to solder on the cheap, start with something like this:
[11:19] <m1x10> :p
[11:19] <fsphil> I used to have one like that and I too destroyed more than a few boards ;-)
[11:19] <juxta> http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.47238
[11:19] <juxta> plus this:
[11:19] <fsphil> getting a new iron was the best thing I ever did
[11:19] <juxta> http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.9159
[11:19] <juxta> this too: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.34154
[11:19] <m1x10> isnt 40W to much?
[11:19] <juxta> get a smaller iron if you like
[11:19] <Randomskk> no
[11:20] <juxta> but it's not the temperature, it's the power - more helps for big joints and thermal recovery
[11:20] <Randomskk> 40W is potentially not enough but for a firestarter like that I'd probably not want more
[11:20] <Randomskk> yea
[11:20] <Randomskk> better with temperature controlled irons though
[11:20] <juxta> yeah, don't leave that iron plugged in unattended for sure :D
[11:20] <Randomskk> a lot like that will just dump 40W into the tip all the time
[11:20] <m1x10> i see some chinese letters. I dont like chinese things. greek people got killed we chinese devices.
[11:20] <Randomskk> still, better than what you have
[11:21] <Randomskk> that is quite a broad, sweeping statement
[11:21] <Randomskk> china is a big place
[11:21] <Randomskk> they make a lot of things
[11:21] <Randomskk> it is unlikely that most of them will kill you
[11:21] <m1x10> i have heard a couple of times that ppl got killed by electric shocks
[11:21] <fsphil> heh, a good 70% of the tech in my room is probably from china
[11:22] <Randomskk> m1x10: are you entirely sure what happened? it is more likely that rumour and hearsay has spread faster than facts
[11:22] <juxta> I think a good 70% of the tech in most people's pc's, cars etc is from China :)
[11:22] <m1x10> I will visit some local shop here and try to find a solder iron with modular tips
[11:22] <Randomskk> it will probably have been made in china
[11:22] <m1x10> lol
[11:22] <juxta> dont worry about modular tips m1x10, it's not really worth it
[11:23] <Randomskk> well, I mean
[11:23] <Randomskk> it is if you get a nice iron
[11:23] <m1x10> juxta fat tips
[11:23] <juxta> yeah, if you have a nice iron, sure
[11:23] <m1x10> all my irons had fat tips
[11:23] <Randomskk> nothing wrong with fattish tips, they can still be used, what's wrong is broken tips and horribly disfigured tips
[11:23] <juxta> but on a $6 iron I think I'd want my $6 going to wiring insulation, or something important like that ;p
[11:23] <Randomskk> quite
[11:24] <juxta> m1x10, tips are a matter of personal preference - I know people who do amazing work with a tip the size of a screwdriver
[11:24] <m1x10> juxta i dont know
[11:24] <m1x10> watching youtube tutorials didnt help me really
[11:25] <juxta> no videos will help you with a tip like the one you showed us
[11:25] <m1x10> its like I need someone to grab my hands and direct them
[11:25] <juxta> the solder won't behave as it should
[11:25] <juxta> you'll be amazed how easy it is with a tip that's in good condition
[11:27] <Randomskk> seriously, that tip is mangled
[11:27] <juxta> it's probably worth getting a flux pen too
[11:27] <juxta> http://www.ps3repairvideos.com/Flux%20Pen.jpg
[11:28] <fsphil> don't trust youtube either: how *NOT* to clean your tip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ML-CHr4AP4
[11:28] <juxta> that'll help if you're finding it tricky
[11:28] <Randomskk> oh god what
[11:28] <Randomskk> that is an awful idea
[11:28] <Randomskk> why
[11:28] <Randomskk> noooo don't file the tip
[11:28] <juxta> i think he wants to re-tin it
[11:28] <juxta> so it's not so bad
[11:29] <juxta> but that tip looks like an evil witch claw
[11:29] <fsphil> lol
[11:29] <fsphil> tis the season
[11:29] <juxta> oh wow, he didn't actually tin it
[11:29] <fsphil> lol
[11:29] <fsphil> that's the worse 'tutorial' on youtube I've seen so far
[11:30] <fsphil> worst too
[11:30] <fsphil> the best bit is the comments, when someone says where he's going wrong he just replies that they're being stooopid
[11:31] <juxta> this is what you need
[11:31] <juxta> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Weller-Si175-Marksman-Soldering-Iron/dp/B0001P17AQ
[11:31] <fsphil> 175 watts??
[11:31] <juxta> heat up time a very long time
[11:31] <juxta> is* a
[11:31] <juxta> yeah
[11:31] <juxta> with the thermal mass of a small planet
[11:31] <Randomskk> what you want is the insane iron in the cusf lab
[11:32] <Darkside> fuuu
[11:32] <fsphil> actually that would have been useful when I was soldering my PV panels
[11:32] <juxta> yeah, it's good for large bits of brass/copper etc in antennas
[11:32] <fsphil> those things are like heatsinks - my iron had no chance
[11:32] <Darkside> my dad has this massive soldering iron too
[11:33] <Darkside> bigger than the one you linked
[11:33] <Darkside> i used it to solder copper pipe
[11:33] <juxta> yeah, i prefer a blow torch though for really big stuff like that
[11:34] <Darkside> heh
[11:34] <Darkside> i was soldering it to PCB tho
[11:34] <juxta> it's much faster to heat up
[11:34] <Darkside> to make a biquad antenna (this was the reflector)
[11:35] <juxta> hey Darkside, i put the antenna that I fixed (the one that fell of my car and lay on the road for 8 hours getting run over by hundreds of cars) on the network analyzer
[11:35] <juxta> fell off*
[11:35] <juxta> turns out I now have an expensive stick
[11:35] <fsphil> ooch
[11:36] <Darkside> wha?
[11:36] <Darkside> what antenna do you mean
[11:36] <m1x10> guys thanks for the info. I'll see what I can do. Time to go eat something junky :)
[11:37] <juxta> ah my 70cm collinear, it fell off in mt barker last chase
[11:37] <m1x10> food: http://www.out.gr/modules/FreeDrive/user_folders/PALAIOLOGOS/Pita%20Gyro.JPG
[11:37] <Darkside> damn juxta :(
[11:37] <juxta> it was still there when I came back 8 hours later
[11:38] <juxta> though it lost most of it's antenna-like properties
[11:38] <juxta> at least on 430 mhz
[11:38] <Darkside> i have a dual bander here if you want it
[11:38] <juxta> if anybody wants a great antenna for 385mhz, i've got you covered
[11:38] <juxta> some of the mhz escaped it seems
[11:38] <juxta> ;p
[11:39] <Darkside> sounds like the loading coil got smushed
[11:39] <juxta> yeah
[11:39] <juxta> it did
[11:39] <juxta> i rewound it.. but oh well
[11:39] <Darkside> again, if you want this dual bander, its yours
[11:39] <juxta> thanks - i'll chat to you about it next time :D
[11:39] <juxta> what base is it?
[11:40] <Darkside> so-239
[11:40] <juxta> awesome
[11:40] <juxta> you're a champ, I'd better go make some dinner to celebrate ;p
[11:41] <Darkside> pff
[11:41] <juxta> i made some lemonade before, and after drinking half a cup of sugar I'm no longer hungry, funny that
[11:41] <Darkside> i heh
[11:41] <Darkside> heh
[11:41] <Darkside> i last ate at about 4pm...
[11:50] Action: fsphil is eating soon, chips + curry
[11:50] <Randomskk> oh man it's nearly 1
[11:50] <Randomskk> I haven't had... breakfast or lunch
[11:50] <Randomskk> bugger and I need to get shopping
[11:50] <Randomskk> ugh
[11:50] <Randomskk> a magpie just hopped into my room them hopped out again, what
[11:51] <Darkside> juxta: http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs883.snc4/71643_1676385115880_1425030763_31750798_8004320_n.jpg
[11:51] <SpeedEvil> Quick! Grab it! Lunch!
[11:51] <Darkside> lawl
[11:51] <Randomskk> haha two birds, one stone
[11:51] <fsphil> haha
[11:51] <SpeedEvil> I just had some lovely date porridge.
[11:51] <SpeedEvil> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PAIR-NEW-10-x12-x1-2-CERAMIC-BODY-ARMOUR-PLATES-III-/330482333284?pt=UK_Collectables_Militaria_LE&hash=item4cf2483664
[11:52] <SpeedEvil> Buying critical safety equipment off ebay? Why not!
[11:52] <juxta> that seems legit SpeedEvil
[11:52] <juxta> nice Darkside :)
[11:53] Action: juxta wonder why SpeedEvil was searching ebay for level III ceramic body armour plates..
[11:53] <SpeedEvil> I wasn't.
[11:53] <SpeedEvil> I just bought a broken induction hob off the guy.
[11:53] <SpeedEvil> And was looking at his other items.
[11:53] <juxta> ah, hehe
[11:54] <juxta> i remember someone bought something from me on ebay some years ago, so I checked out his previous purchases
[11:54] <SpeedEvil> Broken induction hob + ceramic plate from halogen ceramic hob I have in the shed that I picked out of skip = shiny new cooker.
[11:54] <SpeedEvil> Well - mostly.
[11:54] <juxta> for feedback of course. *cough*
[11:55] <juxta> anyway - many questionable sexual accessories listed
[11:55] <SpeedEvil> yeah - if you're buying something that does not work, check back to see if they've recently bought the item.
[11:55] <SpeedEvil> As if they can't get it to work - ...
[11:56] <Randomskk> people buy questionable sexual accessories on ebay?
[11:56] <SpeedEvil> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Artificial-Insemination-AI-Kit-Home-Pregnancy-Fertility-/180577746741?pt=UK_Health_HealthCare_RL&hash=item2a0b45bf35
[11:56] <Randomskk> oh, god, wha
[11:56] <juxta> i think it's more surprising that people buy (or sell at least) body armour
[11:56] <SpeedEvil> Start your childs ebay habit at conception!
[11:57] <Randomskk> comes with a free ovulation chart
[11:57] <juxta> bonus
[11:57] <juxta> this one doesnt seem to
[11:57] <juxta> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Judge-Turkey-Baster-Cake-Feeder-/130445100985?pt=UK_Kitchen_Accessories&hash=item1e5f2247b9
[11:59] <Randomskk> seriously, who in their right mind would buy that
[11:59] <Randomskk> crazy
[12:01] <SpeedEvil> http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.36124
[12:01] <SpeedEvil> Though my purchases from DX are seriously more mundane.
[12:01] <SpeedEvil> Bluetooth ODBII interface for car - $26
[12:01] <Randomskk> but at $1.77 you almost may as well get a pregnancy test at the same time
[12:02] <Randomskk> 'high sensitivity'
[12:02] Action: SpeedEvil thinks of amusing jape.
[12:03] <SpeedEvil> Place an electronic box with a display on the door of a ladies toilet on the inside.
[12:03] <SpeedEvil> On detecting tinkling sound, wait 24s, and print 'Congratulations! The analysis reveals that you're pregnant!'
[12:04] <SpeedEvil> Probably a bit too extreme. :)
[12:04] <SpeedEvil> They also have lots of stuff that looks potentially interesting for ballooning.
[12:04] <Randomskk> so a 'related item' to the pregnancy test is http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.29382
[12:04] <Randomskk> which has had a whole load of reviews
[12:04] <Randomskk> but like
[12:04] <Randomskk> "Great practice for virgins"
[12:04] <SpeedEvil> Damn. You can get it pregnant?
[12:05] <Randomskk> technology these days
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[12:22] <m1x10> !
[12:22] <m1x10> my new TTL cam just arrived!
[12:22] <m1x10> with pins soldered!
[12:22] <m1x10> haha
[12:22] Action: m1x10 is now a bit happy
[12:23] <SpeedEvil> http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/10/10/29/2338256/UAV-Helicopter-Flies-12-Hours-Charged-By-Laser
[12:23] <SpeedEvil> I was wanting to do that.
[12:23] <SpeedEvil> :/
[13:08] <m1x10> alright
[13:08] <m1x10> this cam header
[13:08] <m1x10> is not the standart 2.54mm
[13:08] <m1x10> its smaller
[13:08] <Randomskk> SpeedEvil: this is the problem with coming up with awesome ideas
[13:08] <m1x10> so i cant put it on breadboard
[13:08] <Randomskk> someone else always does so eventually and occasionally does it
[13:08] <Randomskk> m1x10: so make a breakout board or use wires
[13:08] <Randomskk> (or don't breadboard it)
[13:09] <m1x10> i cant use wires
[13:09] <m1x10> the pins are so little
[13:09] <m1x10> that cannot be inserted into female jumper cables
[13:09] <Randomskk> solder
[13:09] <m1x10> they are inserted but floating
[13:09] <m1x10> and if i want to use it somewhere else?
[13:09] <m1x10> unsolder>/
[13:09] <m1x10> ?
[13:10] <Randomskk> or don't breadboard, basically
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[13:43] <m1x10> soldering faild
[13:45] <m1x10> all the planet makes 2.54mm pin holes, the jap makes it 2mm.
[13:51] <m1x10> http://www.astrovox.gr/forum/album_pic.php?pic_id=11636
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[14:31] <Laurenceb> http://hackaday.com/ <- i read that as pedo-santa
[14:32] <Laurenceb> that would be an interesting challenge
[14:36] <Laurenceb> i think they were inspired by the antimov thing - the antimov videos look seriously lame
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[14:38] <Laurenceb> m1x10: soldering isnt that hard
[14:41] <m1x10> are any 2mm spaced header available on the market?
[14:43] <Laurenceb> lots
[14:43] <Laurenceb> just try any major distributor
[14:53] <m1x10> yes I need something to take 2mm and give out 2.54mm
[14:53] <Darkside> hmm
[14:54] <Darkside> where do you guys get your NTX2s?
[14:57] <juxta> Darkside, rfma.com.au are the aus distributor
[14:57] <juxta> I believe in the UK you can buy directly from radiometrix
[14:57] <juxta> but they just refer us on here
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[15:00] <Darkside> heh, no pricing
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[15:01] <jcoxon> Hey
[15:01] <juxta> hi jcoxon
[15:02] <juxta> nah Darkside, email them if you like
[15:02] <juxta> but they seem unreliable when getting back to me
[15:02] <juxta> i dont really like dealing with them :)
[15:02] <jcoxon> Wb8elk launched?
[15:03] <Darkside> heh juxta
[15:03] <Darkside> i'd prefer to use some other transmitter tbh
[15:03] <juxta> jcoxon, not yet
[15:03] <Darkside> i really need to make a small TX board for HF...
[15:04] <jcoxon> It'll be streamed
[15:04] <Darkside> with this class E amp, i reckon i could make it quite small too
[15:04] <Darkside> oh hey, thats an idea juxta :D
[15:04] <Darkside> lets do streaming video from the next launch
[15:05] <jcoxon> Www.batc.tv I think
[15:05] <jcoxon> Then members stream then. Wb8elk
[15:05] <juxta> i thought about doing it in the past but we didn't have reliable net at the old launch site
[15:05] <juxta> but now with more people coming along it might be easier too :)
[15:06] <jcoxon> Yeah you need someone just to do the stream
[15:06] <Darkside> ahai though ti had some radiometrix stuff
[15:07] <Darkside> jcoxon: <--
[15:07] <Darkside> Radiometrix BiM2-433-64
[15:07] <Darkside> hmm
[15:07] <jcoxon> Not sure what you mean?
[15:07] <Darkside> i mean i can do it :P
[15:07] <Darkside> lol
[15:08] <jcoxon> Oh I see
[15:08] <Darkside> juxta: when i was in tasmania last we went to a junkyard, and i picked up 3 of these weird little telemetry modules
[15:08] <Darkside> they have these radiometrix transmitters in them
[15:09] <juxta> oh, nice - the bim modules?
[15:09] Action: jcoxon likes radiometrix
[15:09] <juxta> they're bi-directional from memory :D
[15:09] <Darkside> heh
[15:09] <juxta> yeah, they seem to be pretty popular
[15:09] <juxta> this is rather cool: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGZIztjoHb8
[15:09] <Darkside> 10mW output
[15:11] <Darkside> This DC coupled modulation input will accept either serial digital data (0V to Vcc levels) or High level linear signals. Input impedance is 10k©.
[15:11] <Darkside> high level linear
[15:11] <Darkside> is that what you guys mean when you're doing FSK?
[15:11] <juxta> I think they term it differently in the NTX2 datasheet
[15:12] <juxta> but yeah, we just drive them with a varying input voltage
[15:12] <juxta> for FSK
[15:12] <Darkside> well thats interesting
[15:12] <Darkside> i need to get the modules off this board
[15:12] <Darkside> hold on, i'll take a pic of the board
[15:14] <Laurenceb> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNc-Q6_T8Sc
[15:15] <Darkside> http://imgur.com/1kgqx.jpg juxta
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[15:16] <juxta> nice one Darkside
[15:16] <Darkside> interesting
[15:16] <juxta> what were the boards originally?
[15:16] <Darkside> the aurel one is the same frequency
[15:16] <Darkside> no freaking idea
[15:16] <Darkside> i saw a cardboard box filled with these little juffy boxes with antennas
[15:16] <juxta> heh
[15:16] <Darkside> and took the box
[15:17] <juxta> :D
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[15:18] <Darkside> yeah, i really need to get these things off this board lol
[15:18] <juxta> heh, they're labelled kirribilli
[15:18] <Darkside> yeah
[15:18] <Darkside> i have no idea what the hell they are from
[15:18] <juxta> kirribilli house is where the PM lives ;p
[15:18] <Darkside> my guess is they were from some kind of sensor network
[15:19] <Darkside> juxta: i picked these up near devonport, in tasmania :P
[15:19] <juxta> secret spy devices!
[15:19] <Darkside> pfff
[15:19] <Darkside> still, the data rate on these things is interesting
[15:20] <juxta> 64k?
[15:20] <Darkside> yeah
[15:20] <Darkside> might put one of these in my model glider
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[15:31] <juxta> i'm off to bed, night Darkside
[15:31] <Darkside> nn
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[16:01] <m1x10> ok i did it
[16:01] <m1x10> the mini breadboards from sparkfun have lower pin spacing
[16:01] <m1x10> and the camera fitted exactly
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[16:22] <m1x10> fsphil: with new cam i got a sharp image!
[16:23] <m1x10> http://imagebin.org/120955
[16:23] <SpeedEvil> It;'s annoying that some recent cameras have a fucking insane interface.
[16:23] <SpeedEvil> For example - the n900 camera is an interesting unit.
[16:23] <SpeedEvil> It's not that bad - is available as a spare for 35e IIRC, and is 6mm*6mm
[16:24] <SpeedEvil> But the output datastream is a 400mbps lvds stream
[16:24] <m1x10> what do u mean 6mm*6mm ?
[16:26] <SpeedEvil> It measures 6mm*6mm*4mm
[16:26] <SpeedEvil> Or maybe it was 8
[16:35] <m1x10> well
[16:36] <m1x10> I got a software issue
[16:36] <m1x10> someone might help
[16:36] <m1x10> byte LH=0x00, LL=0x40; // Length High, Length Low --> 64.
[16:36] <m1x10> int chunkSize = 64;
[16:36] <m1x10> byte chunk[64];
[16:36] <m1x10> with these values everything works ok
[16:36] <m1x10> I want to make 64 to 128
[16:37] <m1x10> byte LH=0x00, LL=0x80; // Length High, Length Low --> 128.
[16:37] <m1x10> int chunkSize = 128;
[16:37] <m1x10> byte chunk[128];
[16:37] <m1x10> now its not working
[16:37] <SpeedEvil> where are LH and LL going
[16:37] <m1x10> Serial1.print(LH, BYTE);
[16:37] <m1x10> Serial1.print(LL, BYTE);
[16:38] <SpeedEvil> I would wonder if that's a divider.
[16:38] <SpeedEvil> hence it'd be LL=0x20
[16:38] <m1x10> its actually a command to the camera to send chunks of 128bytes
[16:38] <m1x10> I dont know what exactly u mean divider
[16:40] <m1x10> for chunks of 32 and 64 it works
[16:40] <m1x10> 0x20 and 0x40
[16:40] <SpeedEvil> ah
[16:40] <SpeedEvil> Is byte unsigned?
[16:40] <m1x10> yes in arduino
[16:40] <m1x10> 0-255
[16:46] <m1x10> there are some other vars too
[16:46] <m1x10> MH = curAddr / 0x100;
[16:46] <m1x10> ML = curAddr % 0x100;
[16:46] <m1x10> dunno if they are affected
[16:47] <m1x10> MH,ML bytes
[16:49] <m1x10> http://pastebin.com/SQ0mNBKq
[17:05] <m1x10> ok i found the problem
[17:05] <m1x10> but not the cause
[17:05] <m1x10> I loose bytes
[17:05] <m1x10> http://imagebin.org/120960
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[17:27] <jcoxon> looks like wb8elk could be a long distance flight
[17:35] <Gnea> using spacenear?
[17:36] <Gnea> why, of course it's using spacenear
[17:36] <Gnea> jcoxon: is it still in the air? not sure if I see any prediction..
[17:38] <Gnea> must be a faulty xmitter
[17:38] <Gnea> oh, nope, it's still moving
[17:39] Action: Gnea wonders why he's used to seeing a flight prediction path...
[17:41] <jcoxon> oh its because someone would have grab the data
[17:41] <jcoxon> hold on
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[17:49] <Gnea> ah, there it is
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[20:31] <Lunar_Lander> hello everyone
[20:31] <Lunar_Lander> m1x10 W0OTM
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[21:00] <m1x10> hi
[21:00] <Lunar_Lander> how's life?
[21:01] <m1x10> not interesting :p
[21:01] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:01] <m1x10> how about u?
[21:01] <Lunar_Lander> yeah same here
[21:01] <Lunar_Lander> balloon goes kinda slow
[21:01] <m1x10> hehe
[21:01] <Lunar_Lander> but I passed theoretical physics
[21:01] <m1x10> oh
[21:01] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[21:01] <m1x10> so now I can storm you with question, right?
[21:02] <Lunar_Lander> yes I hope I can find the answer
[21:02] <m1x10> find? == google?
[21:02] <m1x10> haha
[21:02] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:02] <Lunar_Lander> find the answer in the turns of my brain
[21:02] <Lunar_Lander> :D
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[21:03] <m1x10> omg
[21:03] <m1x10> im ready to sleep now
[21:03] <m1x10> watch some stupid tv thingy and sleep comes softly
[21:03] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:03] <Lunar_Lander> but what about your ?tion
[21:04] <m1x10> what?
[21:04] <Lunar_Lander> you wanted to ask a question you said
[21:04] <m1x10> a
[21:04] <m1x10> fun
[21:04] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:04] <m1x10> i dont have one right now
[21:04] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[21:05] <m1x10> now mostly i debug some code and im tired
[21:05] <Lunar_Lander> yea same here
[21:05] <m1x10> and i cant find something and that makes me more tired
[21:06] <m1x10> that jpeg cam makes me nervous
[21:06] <Lunar_Lander> damn
[21:07] <Lunar_Lander> that's not good
[21:08] <m1x10> i cant change the baudrate
[21:09] <Lunar_Lander> crap
[21:09] <m1x10> and i can increase the chunk size. only up to 80 byte chunk it can work.
[21:09] <m1x10> I mailed the japanese engineer and I hope he is gonna repply.
[21:09] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[21:09] <Lunar_Lander> I hope so too
[21:09] <m1x10> :)
[21:10] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[21:10] <m1x10> its really slow to transfer the image chunks at 36800 baud
[21:11] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[21:12] <m1x10> anyway
[21:12] <m1x10> thats all for today
[21:12] <m1x10> i go to bed
[21:12] <m1x10> cu all astrobots!!!
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[22:26] <SpeedEvil> random. Anyone happen to know of any O2 sensors - for near ambient.
[22:26] <SpeedEvil> I want to measure Vo2_max - the maximum oxygen uptake of a human. - and use throughout the day
[22:26] <SpeedEvil> So it can't be confounded by CO2 or H2O
[22:27] <Randomskk> woo. reinstalled my os
[22:28] <Randomskk> still not entirely sure why I did it that way
[22:28] <Randomskk> but it seems to be working nicely eventually
[22:29] <SpeedEvil> Congrats!
[22:29] <Randomskk> how would you use an oxygen sensor to measure oxygen uptake? lock someone in an airtight room and watch the level drop?
[22:30] <SpeedEvil> Mask, couple of valves, expired air.
[22:30] <Randomskk> ah, right. guess that'd work
[22:30] <Randomskk> theoretically you could do the same by measuring CO2 though?
[22:30] <Randomskk> which may be easier to get sensors for? don't know
[22:31] <SpeedEvil> yes.
[22:31] <Randomskk> the oxygen we take in presumably all turns into co2
[22:31] <SpeedEvil> The CO2 sensors I'm aware of are all 50 quid or more.
[22:31] <Randomskk> quite expensive
[22:31] <SpeedEvil> And I'd prefer to have something moderately cheap.
[22:31] <SpeedEvil> Ideally I'd like something I can market to the excersize people on ebay.
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[22:52] <SpeedEvil> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/100-Carbon-Fiber-Tube-3-0mm-OD-x-2-0mm-ID-X-1000mm-/360307808599?pt=UK_ToysGames_RadioControlled_JN&hash=item53e404d957
[22:52] <SpeedEvil> hmm - that's cheap
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