[00:01] <Darkside> juxta: got a wire you can attach to your R10?
[00:01] <Darkside> :)
[00:01] <Darkside> just string a long wire out
[00:02] <Darkside> and receive for me :D
[00:02] <juxta> how much power are you putting out?
[00:04] <juxta> Darkside,
[00:04] <juxta> i'll hook up to my clothesline if you like
[00:04] <juxta> that should do the trick :D
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[00:08] <Darkside> juxta: AWESOME
[00:08] <juxta> what freq/mode?
[00:08] <juxta> call me or something
[00:08] <Darkside> 7037
[00:08] <Darkside> USB 300 baud
[00:08] <Darkside> same as on the balloon
[00:08] <juxta> ok, going out to the clothesline
[00:08] <Darkside> its doing 2W
[00:11] Nick change: DagoRed -> kd0mto
[00:11] <juxta> Darkside, i can hear something but it just sounds like carrier
[00:12] <Darkside> heh
[00:13] <juxta> come to think of it, it probably doesnt help that the clothesline is made of metal and earthed
[00:13] <juxta> i'll string up a wire
[00:14] <Darkside> thanks juxta
[00:14] <Darkside> lol just had the head of department here
[00:14] <Darkside> :D
[00:14] <Darkside> which is why i didnt answer the ohone
[00:14] <Darkside> sorry
[00:14] <Darkside> if you receive upload to the website
[00:14] <Darkside> so i can see
[00:14] <Darkside> turing slideshow back on now
[00:17] <juxta> much better Darkside
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[00:18] <juxta> i have you at s7 - s9
[00:18] <juxta> will see if I can decode it
[00:18] <Darkside> BRILLIANT
[00:18] <Darkside> :D
[00:18] <Darkside> DO IT
[00:21] <Zuph> In case anyone's near Louisville, KY, our balloon team is going to have a kickoff party on 11/20 to celebrate the start of our transatlantic flight season: http://louisville.craigslist.org/eve/2023439714.html
[00:22] <SpeedEvil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_models
[00:22] <juxta> Darkside, it's just carrier
[00:23] <juxta> there's no RTTY there as far as I can hear
[00:24] <stilldavid> Zuph, what's your first name IRL?
[00:25] <Zuph> Brad
[00:25] <stilldavid> okay, I'm emailing with Dan from (what I think is) your group
[00:25] <stilldavid> going to sneak an order for a ZP balloon in with yours :)
[00:25] <Zuph> Yeah, Dan's been acting as ringleader so far.
[00:26] <Zuph> Cool! You're the as-of-yet unnamed 3rd purchaser.
[00:26] <stilldavid> Darkside, when you have a minute, I hear you have a sweet HF transmitter circuit you might be willing to share...
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[00:26] <stilldavid> Zuph, surprise!?
[00:26] <Zuph> heh
[00:27] <stilldavid> you're all having a meeting tonight, eh?
[00:27] <stilldavid> Dan just invited me (over email) to watch the ustream
[00:27] <Darkside> juxta:
[00:27] <Darkside> hmm
[00:27] <Zuph> yep
[00:27] <Darkside> its TXing
[00:27] <Darkside> i can hear it here
[00:28] <juxta> hmm
[00:28] <Darkside> i jsut had my assessment lol
[00:28] <Zuph> stilldavid: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/highball-1
[00:28] <Darkside> fuu
[00:28] <juxta> unless there's something else very strong on that freq
[00:29] <Darkside> fuuuu
[00:29] <Darkside> its 25 degrees in here
[00:29] <Darkside> and muggy
[00:29] <Darkside> hmm
[00:29] <Darkside> well its there somewhere
[00:29] <Darkside> tune around
[00:29] <Darkside> ther emigh tbe something else there too
[00:36] <Darkside> juxta: nothing in the end?
[00:40] <juxta> nah, can't hear RTTY Darkside
[00:40] <juxta> had a hunt around
[00:40] <juxta> must be something local i'm hearing
[00:41] <juxta> there are harmonics of it all over the place
[00:41] <juxta> and it's really strong
[00:41] <juxta> unless it's internal noise from my radio, i'll check it out some more later
[00:53] <Darkside> oh man
[00:53] <Darkside> jus had guys from codan here
[00:53] <Darkside> one of them knew you
[00:53] <Darkside> neil someone
[00:58] <juxta> the bossman
[00:58] <juxta> :)
[00:58] <juxta> Matt's old boss
[00:58] <juxta> he donated some GPS modules
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[01:00] <juxta> whoops
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[01:01] <Darkside> lol
[01:01] <Darkside> ok
[01:01] <Darkside> he said he met you
[01:06] <juxta> oh right - I dont remember, but perhaps he did!
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[02:23] <Darkside> juxta: i just won best project
[02:24] <Darkside> >_>
[02:24] <juxta> nice work Darkside :)
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[02:25] <Darkside> i get $200
[02:25] <Darkside> lol
[02:26] <Darkside> i think ill put that toward some uav boards
[02:26] <SpeedEvil> congrats!
[02:35] <natrium42> cool, good job
[02:36] <juxta> heya natrium42
[02:37] <natrium42> hi juxta
[02:37] <natrium42> so, when is next launch? :)
[02:37] <juxta> hehe
[02:37] <juxta> soonish
[02:38] <natrium42> oh, you added pix
[02:38] <juxta> i'll be interested to see how this predictor goes running offline
[02:41] <natrium42> me too
[02:41] <juxta> i'm testing it with previous flight logs, the wind models dont line up of course, but it seems to be working
[02:41] <natrium42> it's nice if we use the same cusf predictor codebase
[02:42] <natrium42> then updates will be easy
[02:42] <juxta> yup
[02:42] <juxta> I'm using the same binary
[02:42] <juxta> just compiled for win32
[02:43] <juxta> I was going ask ask how you handled ascrate with the predictor - do you take the current calculated value, or do you average it over a few samples?
[02:44] <natrium42> it averages it over last few
[02:44] <juxta> hmm - same for descent?
[02:44] <natrium42> yah
[02:44] <natrium42> $window specifies how many values are averaged
[02:45] <natrium42> right now it's set to 5
[02:45] <juxta> i don't log previous values, so I just use a larger sample spacing
[02:45] <juxta> say 60 seconds
[02:45] <natrium42> ah, okay
[02:46] <natrium42> should work too
[02:46] <juxta> at the moment I'm doing it all in a single thread.. maybe I should move this into another thread as it takes a little while to run
[02:46] <juxta> how often does the tracker update predictions?
[02:46] <natrium42> every new position :S
[02:46] <natrium42> i think some problems were caused by that
[02:46] <juxta> eek, haha
[02:46] <natrium42> since you send positions so often
[02:46] <juxta> yeah
[02:47] <juxta> how long does it take to update?
[02:47] <juxta> on this celeron 2ghz it's taking about 5secs
[02:48] <Darkside> hmm
[02:48] <natrium42> maybe 2-3 seconds
[02:48] <juxta> i guess it's running on something a bit faster than what i'm using
[02:48] <juxta> either that or cygwin adds lots of overhead :)
[02:49] <natrium42> juxta: just run "time ~/www/tracker/update-prediction.php horus" on the spacenear.us server
[02:49] <natrium42> to time it
[02:49] <juxta> alright
[02:49] <natrium42> well, it's in command history now
[02:50] <natrium42> just grab the latest gfs data :D
[02:50] <juxta> oh - also, do you use every point generated by the prediction? or say 1/5?
[02:50] <natrium42> oh, also
[02:50] <natrium42> it seems to take longer if there are lots of gfs files
[02:50] <juxta> ah
[02:50] <juxta> thanks
[02:50] <natrium42> every point
[02:50] <juxta> will clear my cache
[02:50] <natrium42> :|
[02:51] <juxta> ahh.. hmm. I deleted all the old GFS files I had and now see that the grabber script is going verry very slowly :(
[02:58] <Darkside> hmm
[02:59] <Darkside> well, what a day :P
[02:59] <Darkside> i lost half my antenna (it got stuck on something i couldn't get to
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[04:10] <Darkside> hmm
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[06:54] <jonsowman> ping juxta
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[07:12] <jcoxon> morning all
[07:13] <jonsowman> morning jcoxon
[07:17] <jcoxon> hey jonsowman
[07:17] <jcoxon> just about to start work on this PID controller
[07:17] <jcoxon> fancy helping out?
[07:17] <jcoxon> though i recognise that it is 8:17 in the morning
[07:17] <jonsowman> I'm heading out to lectures in 10-15 mins and will be quite busy all day I'm afraid
[07:18] <jonsowman> but if I can help in the next 15 mins then I certainly will
[07:18] <jonsowman> :D
[07:18] <jcoxon> hehe
[07:18] <jcoxon> so could i do a PID controller but just with the ability to turn it on and off
[07:18] <jcoxon> rather than degrees of on
[07:19] <jonsowman> you can, but it wouldn't be a PID. the 'P' means the current system output is proportional to the current error
[07:19] <jonsowman> which wouldn't be the case
[07:19] <jcoxon> i see
[07:19] <jonsowman> it may be fine for your needs though
[07:19] <jcoxon> that i've actually connected the transistor that controls the heater to one of hte pwm pins
[07:20] <jonsowman> also, you'd need some hysteresis in an on/off system
[07:20] <jonsowman> otherwise it will be turning on and off all the time when its around the setpoint
[07:22] <jcoxon> i guess if its connected to a pwm pin then it could be turned off and on very rapidly
[07:22] <jcoxon> varying in duty cycle which would give a gradual change in temp
[07:23] <jonsowman> indeed
[07:23] <jonsowman> that would be a true proportional controller
[07:23] <jcoxon> how convenient
[07:24] <jonsowman> either way works, it's your choice. the P-controller should (with some tweaking) be more apt at keeping the temperature steady
[07:24] <jonsowman> the on/off system's inherent hysteresis will probably mean the crystal spends less time overall at its desired temp
[07:24] <jonsowman> how much of a problem that would be in real life, I don't know
[07:25] <jcoxon> guess this is the point - test it real world
[07:25] <jonsowman> yep
[07:25] <jcoxon> i'm wondering if i should add some sort of fail safe
[07:25] <jcoxon> to turn off the pid controller if necessary
[07:26] <jonsowman> you could have a secondary temperature sensor and kill the PID controller if it goes crazy
[07:27] <jonsowman> it should cope though, even at the extremes
[07:28] <jonsowman> the only problem you might run into is if the crystal is just so cold, that even on full power the heater can't heat it
[07:28] <jonsowman> in which case the controller will just keep the thing on full power unendingly
[07:42] <Darkside> is this controlling crystal temp?
[07:42] <jcoxon> yes
[07:42] <jonsowman> right, must head off
[07:42] <jonsowman> bbl
[07:42] <jcoxon> cya
[07:42] <Darkside> interesting
[07:42] <Darkside> i don't get drift problems with my setup >_>
[07:42] <jcoxon> oh with the ntx2 you get massive drift
[07:42] <Darkside> yeah i know
[07:42] <Darkside> heh
[07:42] <Darkside> i don't use it :P
[07:42] <Darkside> i don't even use that band
[07:43] <Darkside> but i guess in the UK you don't have a choice
[07:43] <Darkside> my supervisor is from there, he had troubles running some HF experiments there
[07:46] <jcoxon> :-)
[07:46] <jcoxon> damn - out of space on my atmega168 - will have to upgrade to a 328 - job for another day
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[08:28] <m1x10> Hi all
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[09:19] <m1x10> If anyone like to see Mt. Olympus for my balcony: http://imagebin.org/120769 :)
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[11:11] <Laurenceb_> i cant see it
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[11:42] <Laurenceb_> http://uk.farnell.com/ftdi/ttl-232r-3v3/cable-usb-to-ttl-level-seri-converter/dp/1329311
[11:42] <Laurenceb_> im going with that for the sdr - should be fast enough to get out the full 150khz baseband
[11:42] <SpeedEvil> :)
[11:43] <Laurenceb_> 3Mbaud
[11:43] <SpeedEvil> That is quite reasonable.
[11:45] <Laurenceb_> its better than you could get with usb avr - unless you used almost 100% of the clk cycles
[11:46] <eroomde> lklkkkmorning
[11:46] <eroomde> whoopsie
[11:46] <eroomde> morning
[11:46] <Laurenceb_> heh hi
[11:47] Action: Laurenceb_ wonders if he should try and find a stick on apple logo for this lovely brushed alu case
[11:49] <Laurenceb_> http://cgi.ebay.com/APPLE-LOGO-Mirror-Chrome-Decal-Sticker-Mini-Size-12pack-/150381769423?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item230373b2cf
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[12:30] <Randomskk> who wanted iQ cables?
[12:31] <Randomskk> Dave-M0MYA I think
[12:31] <Randomskk> who is not here
[12:31] <Randomskk> oh well. we looked and there aren't any around
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[13:42] <eroomde> lkkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjjjkjkjkjkkjkjlklklkljlllclear
[13:42] <slothearn> I agree, eroomde
[13:43] <eroomde> how odd
[13:43] <eroomde> network cable become unplugged and i thought my ssh session had died
[13:43] <eroomde> clearly it hadn't
[13:44] <eroomde> some funny irssi buffer maybe
[13:45] <DanielRichman> my ssh connections seem fairly resilient to being messed around; network cables unplugged wifi dropped etc.
[13:45] <Darkside> yep
[13:45] <Darkside> ssh seems to have a massively long timeout period
[13:46] <DanielRichman> I'm not sure what goes on behind the scenes to do it, but there are two routers/gateways on my lan - so two external (NAT'd) IPs; and if I change from using one to using the other sometimes ssh appears to survive (?)
[13:47] <Darkside> dunno
[13:48] <Darkside> i've noticed that when i move from one area of uni to another, i can keep a ssh session going, even though my computer goes into standby
[13:48] <Darkside> DanielRichman: my HF transmitter for awarded best project today :D
[13:48] <Darkside> got*
[13:48] <DanielRichman> congratulations
[13:49] <Darkside> i think it was because i was one of only a few groups that actually had a working project
[13:49] <russss> DanielRichman: if your gateway changes, existing connections generally aren't affected
[13:49] <Darkside> and i'd done a really cool test
[13:49] <DanielRichman> yeah russss I thought something like that might happen. If I switch, and then kill the old gateway's power, do you think it will die?
[13:50] <russss> yeah, it should do. There's no way your connection can magically switch from one source IP to another without disconnectnig
[13:50] <SpeedEvil> http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/11/01/101101fa_fact_hersh?currentPage=all
[13:50] <SpeedEvil> Look after 'sovie'
[13:50] <SpeedEvil> t
[13:50] <SpeedEvil> Inertia--
[13:50] <DanielRichman> russss: I was wondering if some mechanic of ssh allowed it to pick up the old connection
[13:51] <russss> not as far as I'm aware
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[14:39] <Laurenceb_> http://jnaudin.free.fr/kapagen/index.htm
[14:39] <Laurenceb_> "IMHO, I think that the working principle of the Tariel Kapanadze generator is to suck the free electrons from the Earth"
[14:39] <Laurenceb_> sounds perfectly reasonable to me
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[16:41] <jonsowman_mob> Ping eroomde
[16:41] <jonsowman_mob> Couldn't find any lassen headers in the lab
[16:42] <jonsowman_mob> Had a look today
[16:45] <jonsowman_mob> Right, bbl
[16:45] <Laurenceb_> toby.co.uk
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[17:02] <Laurenceb_> http://uk.farnell.com/stmicroelectronics/lsm303dlh/accelerometer-mems-3axis-28lga/dp/1838545
[17:02] <Laurenceb_> hope they actually get it in stock
[17:09] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[17:09] <SpeedEvil> got that on my order that I'm thinking of
[17:09] <SpeedEvil> as well as the stm discovery board
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[19:07] <Dave-M0MYA> evening
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[19:07] <Hibby> evening
[19:08] <Randomskk> Dave-M0MYA: jonsowman and I looked but could not find any of the iQ connector things
[19:08] <MrCraig> hi Dave
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[19:08] <Dave-M0MYA> not to fret Randomskk, many thanks for looking all the same
[19:08] <Dave-M0MYA> now I just need to decide what else I want from sparkfun to make the postage worthwhile ;)
[19:09] <Dave-M0MYA> I have been avoiding that site as I just get the feeling it has too many shiney things on it
[19:09] <Randomskk> usually I find the hard part is working out what I don't want
[19:10] <Dave-M0MYA> did I hear mention of a launch a couple of weekends from now?
[19:11] <Randomskk> a week saturday
[19:11] <SpeedEvil> Dave-M0MYA: One of everything!
[19:11] <Randomskk> bbl
[19:12] <Dave-M0MYA> ahh, good stuff. I know I have a set of elements for a cems yagi in a box somewhere!
[19:12] <Dave-M0MYA> or a slighly broken but huge quagi in the garden...
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[19:35] <jiffe1> http://marsparticipate.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/participate/sendyourname/
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[19:45] <Laurenceb> ubun tu updates are getting stupid
[19:45] <Laurenceb> seems to be averaging 50MB/day
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[19:51] <Laurenceb> SpeedEvil: theres some lsm303dlh eval boards at mouser - but only 6
[19:52] <Laurenceb> also the polish webstore that has a hundered or so for £13 each
[19:52] <Laurenceb> no-one else has any AIUI
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[20:30] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[20:47] <SpeedEvil> Not that urgently needed
[20:47] <SpeedEvil> it's a wishlist thing more than anything
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