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[00:34] <juxta> arr, is the predictor not currently working?
[00:34] <juxta> DagoRed, do you guys have a prediction model you use?
[00:37] <juxta> jonsowman, are you sleeping? :)
[00:40] <DagoRed> juxta: We have our own in house.
[00:41] <DagoRed> We'll be open sourcing it with Falcon 2.0.
[00:41] <juxta> alrighty :)
[00:41] <DagoRed> I'm not sure if Falcon 1.0 has the predicitions that you input or if the predictions are done in program.
[00:43] <DagoRed> http://code.google.com/p/falcon-hab/
[00:44] <juxta> i'll check it out DagoRed, thanks!
[00:46] <DagoRed> No problem, if you have questions I am the worst person to ask. I do know that 32-bit stuff does not work out so hot though.
[00:46] <DagoRed> Sorry, non-32 bit operating systems.
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[07:34] <m1x10> hi all
[08:00] <juxta> hi m1x10
[08:00] <juxta> ping jonsowman
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[08:08] <m1x10> :)
[08:17] <jonsowman> morning juxta
[08:17] <jonsowman> what's up?
[08:17] <juxta> heya jonsowman
[08:18] <juxta> just wondering - is nomads playing up by chance? having a hard time running predictions today :(
[08:19] <jonsowman> hmm
[08:19] <jonsowman> let's have a look
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[08:22] <jonsowman> juxta: try the habhub predictor now
[08:22] <jonsowman> and... oops I killed griffonbot
[08:23] <juxta> haha
[08:24] <juxta> will just try it out now
[08:24] <juxta> ooh, looking promising
[08:25] <juxta> seems to have worked, thanks jonsowman!
[08:25] <juxta> was trying both habhub & hexoc without luck - what was the issue?
[08:25] <Darkside> liiink
[08:25] <jonsowman> I can't tell exactly but both servers had a load of python threads running
[08:25] <juxta> ah righto
[08:26] <juxta> yes, I did try it a few times ;p
[08:26] <jonsowman> it looks like the kind of situation it gets into after the nomads servers have been playing up
[08:26] <jonsowman> seems alright now though :)
[08:26] <jonsowman> fingers crossed
[08:26] <juxta> Darkside, this is what we're hoping to avoid:
[08:26] <juxta> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=e6e4d2ed209da082aac5e06baeee750ed80fc3fe
[08:27] <Darkside> eek
[08:27] <juxta> uh oh, seems to be stuck at 0% again jonsowman, but i accidentally entered 28m instead of 28000m, maybe thats why?
[08:27] <jonsowman> hehe
[08:27] <jonsowman> oh habhub?
[08:28] <juxta> yeah on habhub
[08:28] <juxta> corrected it now, running again without luck it seems
[08:29] <Darkside> mm i changed to saturday and its not working
[08:29] <jonsowman> try now
[08:30] <jonsowman> something odd is going on. just keep using it (or trying) and I'll examine
[08:30] <juxta> alrighty, thanks jonsowman
[08:30] <juxta> I also noticed that half degree data was corrupt, or wildly inaccurate
[08:31] <juxta> (still no luck by the way)
[08:31] <jonsowman> that does seem to happen sometimes
[08:31] <Darkside> yay working
[08:31] <Darkside> for saturday anyway
[08:31] <Darkside> saturday would be awesome...
[08:31] <jonsowman> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=9c308db32b1d25aed4867a0fa0b39b709525f322
[08:32] <jonsowman> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=1cac1ce4824888f40840c9b648bb97a4a2faee53
[08:32] <jonsowman> the predictions seem to be running... is the UI being weird?
[08:32] <juxta> hmm, i've tried grabbing the UUID and loading it manually earlier today
[08:33] <juxta> and it loaded the scenario bu not path
[08:33] <jonsowman> odd
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[08:33] <juxta> hmm, stuck at 0% again
[08:34] <juxta> uuid is 1aa085e8557eb999ff8a9cc26b2337c440a68d3a
[08:35] <juxta> is the data cached jonsowman? or downloaded on each run?
[08:35] <jonsowman> cached
[08:35] <jonsowman> unless the required data is not in cache, or the data in cache is old
[08:35] <juxta> hmm
[08:35] <jonsowman> in which case it is downloaded
[08:36] <juxta> i've noticed even if it works once, if a vary say 1 parameter (ie alt), it can still hang at 0% GFS data downloaded
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[08:36] <juxta> if I* vary
[08:36] <jonsowman> interesting
[08:36] <jonsowman> okay, hang on
[08:38] <jonsowman> http://pastie.org/private/zbswse47j5mo9ocnnwqow
[08:38] <jonsowman> hmmmmmm.
[08:40] <juxta> humm, a bit odd for that to break all of a sudden =\
[08:41] <juxta> ok Darkside if you keep your payload under 600g then I think we're OK
[08:42] <Darkside> heh ok
[08:42] <juxta> heavy payload but it'll work, assuming the weather plays nice too!
[08:42] <Darkside> i'll do my best
[08:42] <Darkside> sucks it has to be sunday :P
[08:42] <Darkside> also we still need to figure ouy what frequency to use
[08:43] <Darkside> since its daytime the 7030-7040 band wont be used as much
[08:43] <Darkside> so i recon just plonk it in the midle there
[08:43] <juxta> okay
[08:44] <Darkside> say... 7037
[08:44] <Darkside> 300 baud, 425Hz bandwidth
[08:44] <Darkside> carrier shift*
[08:47] <juxta> Darkside, looks like we may have a boat organised
[08:48] <Darkside> LOL
[08:48] <Darkside> man
[08:48] <juxta> i'll bring some metho to wash everything down if it does go in the water
[08:49] <Darkside> oh?
[08:49] <Darkside> that doesn't kill anything?
[08:50] <Darkside> and isn't metho conductive?
[08:50] <juxta> it's pretty good, certainly better than water
[08:50] <juxta> i'm not sure, I plan to use it once the batteries are removed :P
[08:51] <Darkside> haha
[08:51] <Darkside> yes
[08:54] <earthshine> morning
[08:57] <jonsowman> right, well, it now works
[08:57] <jonsowman> it's something to do with the way to do caching
[08:58] <jonsowman> disabling it has made it work (I think)
[09:06] <Darkside> juxta: have you considered setting up the little tiny transmitter too
[09:06] <Darkside> like, encasing it in something competely waterproof
[09:06] <Darkside> so if all else fails, we can RDF to it out over the ocean :P
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[09:22] <Laurenceb> solved the avr issue
[09:22] <Laurenceb> it wasnt getting power to avcc
[09:22] <Laurenceb> and wouldnt boot but would program and start the stl
[09:22] <Laurenceb> *xtl
[09:23] <Laurenceb> never seen that problem before
[09:23] <Laurenceb> doesnt happen on my mega8 but does on mega168
[09:38] <SpeedEvil> L(===:)
[09:38] <SpeedEvil> :) even
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[10:27] <juxta> hey jonsowman, seems to be working for the most part since you disabled caching, nice one :)
[10:28] <jonsowman> :)
[10:29] <jonsowman> will try and work out why caching is playing up - it's been fine up till now
[10:29] <jonsowman> don't use the hexoc one for now, that's still got caching enabled whilst I try and debug :)
[10:31] <juxta> alright no worries
[10:31] <juxta> now if only the weather was being nice
[10:36] <jonsowman> hehe
[11:06] <Darkside> heh
[11:06] <Darkside> saturday is awesome...
[11:06] <Darkside> but that means its not on 10/10/10...
[11:08] <fsphil> oh cool, I forgot about that
[11:12] <fsphil> shame I'm planning on launching at 11:00 .. if I'd remembered I'd have done it at 10:10:10
[11:12] <fsphil> ooh, 10:10:10 UTC
[11:22] <Darkside> lol
[11:22] <Darkside> hey juxta
[11:22] <Darkside> launch it at 10:10:10AM :D
[11:55] <juxta> ping Darkside
[12:03] <Upu> hey fsphil you good to go on Sun ?
[12:03] <fsphil> so far
[12:04] <fsphil> weather and prediction is good, just arranging transport
[12:04] <Upu> great I'll make myself free that day :)
[12:04] <Upu> is the win32 build of dl-fldigi ready ?
[12:13] <fsphil> sorta :)
[12:13] <fsphil> jcoxon built it up but I downloaded the wrong version
[12:16] <Upu> ok let me know when it's ready so I can check it works on my machine
[12:17] <juxta> hey fsphil , you're launching sunday too?
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[12:30] <fsphil> that's the plan juxta
[12:30] <juxta> nice :)
[12:38] <Darkside> ahh man the online predictor will go nuts
[12:45] <Laurenceb> is there a way to scale things in eagle?
[12:47] <juxta> I dont think so Laurenceb
[12:48] <juxta> (assuming you mean scaling a component?)
[12:48] <Laurenceb> yes
[12:51] <juxta> not as far as I'm aware then Laurenceb
[12:53] <fsphil> the predictor still iffy? seems to be stuck at 0%
[12:55] <fsphil> no there it goes
[12:57] <W0OTM> howdy
[12:57] <W0OTM> I put together a pano. http://www.w0otm.com/iHAB/iHAB-2/Media/iHAB-2_Panorama1.jpg
[12:57] <W0OTM> if you havn't seen it already :)
[12:58] <fsphil> nice curve!
[12:58] <W0OTM> thx
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[13:00] <W0OTM> thats 25 images stiched together
[13:03] <Darkside> awesome
[13:06] <W0OTM> full res version is 20mb
[13:06] <W0OTM> im going to head down to the photo lab and have a 12"x40" print made
[13:11] <m1x10> Hi mates
[13:11] <m1x10> have anyone used gas sensors before??
[13:12] <m1x10> those from sparkfun
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[13:16] <fsphil> hmm.. how will I know how much helium I'll need?
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[13:17] <juxta> fsphil, the burst calculator can tell you
[13:18] <fsphil> Launch Volume: 2.66 m3 ?
[13:19] <fsphil> the cylinders I'm looking at are measured in metre squared
[13:22] <fsphil> unless that's a typo
[13:26] <fsphil> ah it is. right that makes sense now, thanks.
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[13:40] <fsphil> bit of an oddity... I put a target burst altitude of 33km, it says the ascent speed will be 5.14m/s.
[13:40] <fsphil> but if I put in a target ascent speed of 5.14m/s, it says the burst will be at 31768m, and the ascent speed is 5.85m/s
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[13:56] <m1x10> guess the operating system now: http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/isslivestream.asx
[13:56] <m1x10> :)
[13:58] <Darkside> what is that on the screens?
[13:58] <Darkside> i cant tell if its windows or something else
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[14:00] <fsphil> they have an exchange server on the station, I heard them trying to fix it a while back
[14:00] <Darkside> eeeeeeeew
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[14:00] <Darkside> im not hearing audio on this atm
[14:01] <fsphil> yea, eeww indeed
[14:01] <Darkside> there we go
[14:01] <jontyw> I was really enjoying listening to them being instructed on how to use ping the other day
[14:01] <SpeedEvil> :)
[14:01] <jontyw> (Network issues they were debugging)
[14:01] <Darkside> looooool
[14:02] <meefs> heh
[14:02] <Darkside> HAHAHAAHHAHAHA
[14:02] <fsphil> ping's in space!!!
[14:02] <meefs> latency must be hell
[14:02] <Darkside> man i thought the astronauts would have to have some kind of computer training
[14:02] <Darkside> meefs: heh
[14:02] <jontyw> It was brilliant
[14:03] <Darkside> she didn't know whether to close the laptop or something
[14:03] <Darkside> some window was open..
[14:03] <jontyw> Tweets from that day: http://twitter.com/#!/jonty/status/25130000008
[14:03] <jontyw> And: http://twitter.com/#!/jonty/status/25130434181
[14:03] <jontyw> It was hilarious
[14:03] <Darkside> lol
[14:05] <fsphil> well I'm certainly available for on-site IT if they pay for transport costs
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[14:05] <Darkside> hahaha
[14:05] <m1x10> whats this black tubE?
[14:06] <Darkside> hmm whats she doing there
[14:06] <jontyw> A mic I think
[14:06] <Darkside> hahahahaha
[14:06] <Darkside> POINTING MAKES IT BETTER
[14:06] <m1x10> hahahaha
[14:06] <m1x10> that chick does not know from computers
[14:07] <Darkside> woooooow
[14:07] <jontyw> SHE HAS A GO FOR TURNING ON THE LAPTOP
[14:07] <jontyw> This is ace
[14:07] <Darkside> SHE HAS A GO
[14:07] <Darkside> hahaha
[14:07] <Darkside> COUNTING DOWN
[14:07] <SpeedEvil> Is there sound on there?
[14:07] <jontyw> Yes
[14:07] <m1x10> Windows! lol
[14:07] <Darkside> T Minus
[14:07] <SpeedEvil> oh
[14:07] <m1x10> microsoft on space
[14:07] <m1x10> damn!
[14:08] <Darkside> with no password
[14:08] <Darkside> :P
[14:08] <m1x10> bouhaha
[14:08] <Darkside> WHAT IF THE RUSSIANS GET TO IT
[14:08] <m1x10> i also sew a browser
[14:08] <m1x10> i think she got internet up there
[14:08] <fsphil> IE6?
[14:08] <Darkside> yeah they do
[14:08] <meefs> they had better
[14:08] <Darkside> they have net on teh station now
[14:08] <m1x10> thats means they got an IP
[14:08] <Darkside> meefs: internal network of course
[14:09] <m1x10> I would like to know that IP ?;
[14:09] <Darkside> theres an astronaut that used to twitter heaps from up there
[14:09] <russss> they browse the internet using Citrix running on a machine in Houston
[14:09] <Darkside> 4.9
[14:09] <Darkside> aww
[14:09] <russss> they don't have a direct internet connection
[14:09] <meefs> speaking of internets
[14:09] <Darkside> that would be awesome if they did
[14:09] <m1x10> they are behind NAT lol
[14:09] <Darkside> then they could go on /b/
[14:09] <meefs> im about to see if this vnc box we have setup internally, can be viewed from the wild
[14:09] <jontyw> They _can_ go on /b/
[14:09] <Darkside> or chatroulette
[14:09] <m1x10> chatroulette ?
[14:10] <SpeedEvil> Or digg. IAMA
[14:10] <Darkside> loll
[14:10] <Darkside> SpeedEvil: nah, reddit
[14:10] <Darkside> :P
[14:10] <SpeedEvil> err - yes
[14:10] <fsphil> IRC :)
[14:10] <jontyw> In fact, I really really hope the astronauts have looked at 4chan.
[14:10] <Darkside> haha
[14:10] <SpeedEvil> Though 4chan has the occasional IAMA thread that is also amusing.
[14:11] <m1x10> Darkside: chatroulette.com ?
[14:11] <Darkside> dunno
[14:11] <Darkside> i forget
[14:11] <m1x10> lol
[14:11] <Darkside> its like a random roulette thingo
[14:11] <Darkside> you video chat with a random stranger
[14:11] <m1x10> LOOOOOOOL
[14:11] <meefs> m1x10, its pretty crazy
[14:11] <m1x10> i sew a penis !
[14:11] <meefs> basically
[14:11] <meefs> yea
[14:11] <m1x10> wtf?
[14:11] <meefs> yea
[14:11] <meefs> its ruled by penile units
[14:11] <m1x10> oh
[14:12] <meefs> and 12 year olds
[14:12] <meefs> kinda strange combo
[14:12] <meefs> but whateve
[14:12] <m1x10> whats the purpose?
[14:12] <m1x10> speeak with stranger?
[14:12] <meefs> to chat with random folks
[14:12] <meefs> over the inets
[14:12] <SpeedEvil> Stuff on the internet needs a purpose now?
[14:12] <meefs> heh
[14:12] <meefs> right
[14:12] <m1x10> SHIT. VOmit
[14:12] <Darkside> loooooooooool
[14:12] <m1x10> masturators?
[14:12] <Darkside> chartoulette is like that
[14:12] <m1x10> wtf?
[14:12] <m1x10> I hate you
[14:12] <Darkside> yes
[14:12] <Darkside> hahahaha
[14:12] <meefs> yea
[14:13] <Darkside> you get lots of randoms on there
[14:13] <meefs> stickam can be fun
[14:13] <m1x10> man
[14:13] <meefs> a little less 'crass'
[14:13] <m1x10> thanks god I had the camera looking on window
[14:13] <meefs> but be prepared to see ANYTHING
[14:13] <meefs> and I mean ANYTHING
[14:13] <Darkside> sorry m1x10
[14:13] <Darkside> that was priceless
[14:13] <m1x10> Darkside
[14:13] <m1x10> ah
[14:14] <m1x10> lol
[14:14] <m1x10> a girl
[14:14] <m1x10> with glasses
[14:14] <m1x10> lol
[14:14] <m1x10> they hear me?
[14:14] <m1x10> hahaha
[14:14] <m1x10> i laugh
[14:14] <m1x10> hahaha
[14:14] <Darkside> what you see isn't necessarily what you think you see
[14:14] <Darkside> some people play back videos and stuff through it
[14:14] <m1x10> absolute retarded idea.
[14:14] <m1x10> back to ISS.
[14:15] <Darkside> :P
[14:15] <Darkside> yeah im watcing it still
[14:15] <Darkside> this is entertaining
[14:15] <meefs> Ive had good meets on cr
[14:15] <meefs> yea thats the point
[14:15] <juxta> what's the link Darkside ?
[14:15] <meefs> entertainment
[14:15] <meefs> also
[14:15] <m1x10> the ISS chick is far better than the chatroulete girl with glasses
[14:15] <juxta> just finished paying bills and fines, will have a quick look before bed
[14:15] <Darkside> http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/isslivestream.asx
[14:15] <meefs> I just discovered a big gaping security hole @ the jorb
[14:16] <Darkside> fines?
[14:16] <m1x10> her face is red
[14:16] <Darkside> thats because they are in space i think
[14:16] <Darkside> i think it happens
[14:16] <m1x10> lol
[14:16] <m1x10> but they come down they are white
[14:17] <m1x10> that ISS chich is nice
[14:17] <Darkside> maybe she has sunburn
[14:17] <Darkside> lol
[14:17] <Darkside> dunno how
[14:17] <SpeedEvil> ISS ladies are crazy!
[14:17] <m1x10> hahah
[14:17] <m1x10> ladies
[14:17] <m1x10> lol
[14:17] Action: meefs desires the space poon
[14:17] <SpeedEvil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_Nowak
[14:17] <Darkside> nobody has tried that yer afaik
[14:17] Action: m1x10 desires the iss lady
[14:17] <juxta> ooh space station
[14:18] <juxta> zero g experiments module or whatever they call the thing you stick your arms in
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[14:18] <m1x10> btw juxta do u happen to have used gas sensors?
[14:18] <Darkside> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shannon_Walker
[14:19] <m1x10> i trying to find example circuit
[14:19] <Darkside> oh man
[14:19] <Darkside> juxta: thats andy thomas's wife
[14:19] <juxta> "Microgravity Science Glovebox/Exchangeable Standard Electronic Module (ESEM)"
[14:19] <juxta> oh coolios
[14:21] <juxta> Darkside, the fine is for smething like 'operate vehicle in unauthorized manner'
[14:21] <juxta> I rode a pushbike on the sidewalk...
[14:22] <m1x10> http://i.imgur.com/V1WW5.gif
[14:23] <Darkside> :.
[14:23] <Darkside> :/
[14:23] <Darkside> i do that..
[14:23] <m1x10> fail
[14:24] <juxta> i'm just glad the police were using their time to catch real crooks like me
[14:24] <Darkside> lol
[14:24] <Darkside> what happened
[14:24] <SpeedEvil> It exploded.
[14:24] <Darkside> because of that bolt
[14:24] <SpeedEvil> More seriously - there is not signal everywhere
[14:24] <Darkside> ahh
[14:25] <Darkside> hard handover :)
[14:25] <Darkside> dammit i need to sleep
[14:25] <Darkside> ok nn
[14:25] <juxta> yes me too
[14:25] <juxta> night all
[14:25] <Darkside> heh
[14:25] <Darkside> i want to be at uni early tomorrow
[14:25] <SpeedEvil> night juxta
[14:28] <m1x10> gnite
[14:28] <m1x10> SpeedEvil
[14:28] <m1x10> have u ever played with gas sensors?
[14:30] <juxta> night SpeedEvil, m1x10, Darkside et al :)
[14:30] <SpeedEvil> nope.
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[15:44] <Upu> What are the reg doing ? :) http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/10/06/paris_main_payload/
[15:44] <Upu> are they launching a plane from a balloon ?
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[15:50] <Upu> yes they are, why on earth all that complicated release mechanism
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[16:23] <SpeedEvil> Most misplaced 'where is this noise coming from' ever.
[16:23] <SpeedEvil> I was wondering why my laptop fan was running constanrtly.
[16:23] <SpeedEvil> It turned out it wasn't.
[16:23] <SpeedEvil> But that I'd forgotten the srtream to ISS, and it was running in the background, picking up a fan through an open mic.
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[16:27] <russss> the noise is coming... FROM SPACE
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[16:35] <meefs> lol SpeedEvil
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[16:54] <natrium42> =]
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[16:56] <jcoxon> ping Upu fsphil eroomde
[16:57] <Upu> pong
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[16:57] <Upu> just afk 5 jumping in shower
[16:57] CTCP PING: from natrium42 (natrium42!natrium@CPE000625d867e2-CM0014045885be.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) to #highaltitude
[16:57] <DanielRichman> natrium42 sssh
[16:57] <natrium42> :D
[16:58] <DanielRichman> how many did you get back?
[16:58] <natrium42> only question marks
[16:58] <DanielRichman> yeah but from how many people
[16:59] <natrium42> 44
[16:59] <DanielRichman> haha
[16:59] CTCP PING: from DanielRichman (DanielRichman!DanielRic@gateway/shell/anapnea.net/x-qygdaowzgyndupje) to #highaltitude
[16:59] <DanielRichman> you can do version too
[16:59] <DanielRichman> and time
[17:01] <natrium42> yes, but jcoxon was trying to ping a lot of people :P
[17:01] <jcoxon> only 3
[17:01] <jcoxon> :-p
[17:02] <DanielRichman> jcoxon: were you and fsphil playing with HF stuff a while ago?
[17:02] <DagoRed> If you're going to ping room, do it properly.
[17:02] <DanielRichman> oh no.
[17:02] CTCP PING: 462987041 from DagoRed (DagoRed!dago@j15-1.nat.iastate.edu) to #highaltitude
[17:03] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, trying to a bit
[17:03] <DanielRichman> which band?
[17:03] <jcoxon> various
[17:03] <jcoxon> but i have a rubbish antenna
[17:03] <DanielRichman> ah
[17:04] <fsphil> pong jcoxon
[17:04] <Upu> evening
[17:04] <fsphil> hey all
[17:04] Action: DanielRichman has been playing with 50watt BPSK31 on 40m
[17:04] <jcoxon> nice
[17:04] <Upu> I invited the guy from the reg vulture project in here btw if he turns up
[17:04] <DanielRichman> it's much more civilised than shouting CQ into a mic for ages
[17:05] <DanielRichman> you just sort of click a yellow line, click ANS; fldigi beeps a bit and then you can have a conversation...
[17:05] <fsphil> good for low power contacts too -- I don't think my 5 watts is really good for voice
[17:05] <DanielRichman> oh right. I was doing 50watt psk ;')
[17:06] <DanielRichman> though the "interface" is a microphone next to a laptop speaker
[17:06] <DanielRichman> works suprisingly well...
[17:08] <fsphil> just don't sneeze
[17:08] <DanielRichman> the power dial on the rig is obsolete; the power output is controlled by how close the mic is >.>
[17:08] <DanielRichman> though if it's too close the distortion makes (I guess) OOB noise and causes the atu to spark
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[17:46] <Laurenceb> hi
[17:52] <Laurenceb> anyone here used msp430?
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[17:58] <DagoRed> Laurenceb: I've only used the dsPIC's, sorry.
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[18:24] <Laurenceb> is there a quick way to log serial data on linux?
[18:25] <Laurenceb> just grab from /dev/ttyUSB0
[18:25] <jcoxon> cat /dev/ttyUSB0 > file.txt
[18:25] <Laurenceb> the issue is configuring the speed, parity etc
[18:25] <Laurenceb> cat wont do that
[18:25] <jcoxon> stty first then
[18:27] <Laurenceb> how do i set /dev/ttyUSB0 baud with stty?
[18:29] <SpeedEvil> stty --file=/dev/ttyUSB0 115200
[18:29] <SpeedEvil> IIRC
[18:33] <Laurenceb> stty: standard input: unable to perform all requested operations
[18:34] <SpeedEvil> hmm
[18:35] Action: SpeedEvil is too tired.
[18:35] <SpeedEvil> stty --file=/dev/ttyS0 115200
[18:35] <SpeedEvil> bash-3.1#
[18:35] <SpeedEvil> you are root?
[18:36] <Laurenceb> i tried sudo
[18:36] <Laurenceb> but im not root
[18:36] <SpeedEvil> try it with a regular serial port
[18:38] <Laurenceb> aha
[18:38] <Laurenceb> my usb hardware is saying no
[18:38] <Laurenceb> very annoying - the datahseet says up to 1mbps
[18:39] <Laurenceb> ill try a python script but it doesnt look hopeful :-/
[18:39] <SpeedEvil> Well - teach the driver to do it! :)
[18:39] <meefs> try screen
[18:40] <Laurenceb> yeah i did
[18:41] <Laurenceb> i get lots of graphics glitches and invalid characters in od places
[18:41] <meefs> !
[18:41] <meefs> there might be a setting in screen, for the encoding of the term?
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[18:52] <Laurenceb> bah python doesnt like it either
[18:52] <Laurenceb> there must be linux support for >115200
[18:54] <SpeedEvil> Does the driver support it is the uestion.
[18:54] <SpeedEvil> q
[18:54] <Laurenceb> the cp2102 supports up to 921600bps
[18:55] <Laurenceb> or 1mbps using the windows only driver
[18:55] <Laurenceb> aiui 921600 is using the standard USB-serial drivers
[18:56] <Laurenceb> http://pyserial.sourceforge.net/pyserial_api.html
[18:56] <Laurenceb> says it should work... what the hell :(
[18:59] <Laurenceb> http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/drivers/usb/serial/cp210x.c
[18:59] <Laurenceb> maybe i need to install that ?!
[18:59] <Laurenceb> up to 1.8mbps XD
[19:00] <jcoxon> ping jonsowman
[19:01] <SpeedEvil> seems to be in my stock kernel
[19:01] <SpeedEvil> you may need to compile it in seperately, I'm unsure
[19:01] <SpeedEvil> I mean the kernel tree
[19:04] <Laurenceb> whats the current kernel?
[19:04] <Laurenceb> silabs say on their website you need to download their linux driver
[19:06] <SpeedEvil> the driver in the tree looks like that one
[19:06] <SpeedEvil> 2.6.25?
[19:06] <SpeedEvil> 35
[19:06] <SpeedEvil> 33 it turns out
[19:08] <Laurenceb> ok
[19:08] <Laurenceb> ./makerpm: line 99: rpmbuild: command not found
[19:08] <Laurenceb> it wont install :-/
[19:08] <SpeedEvil> The header of that file looked identical to the in-tree one
[19:13] <Laurenceb> cant work out why it wont install :(
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[19:14] <Laurenceb> http://www.silabs.com/products/interface/usbtouart/Pages/default.aspx
[19:14] <Laurenceb> trying to build the driver from there
[19:15] <Laurenceb> hmm http://www.etheus.net/CP210x_Linux_Driver
[19:15] <Laurenceb> "600 to 921600 Baud "
[19:16] <Laurenceb> how do i find what kernel im running?
[19:17] <jcoxon> uname -r
[19:17] <Laurenceb> ok my kernel should be fine :-S
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[20:01] <rjharrison> Evening all
[20:01] <rjharrison> There will be a launch this Saturday
[20:02] <jonsowman> excellent
[20:02] <jonsowman> where from?
[20:02] <rjharrison> From Bourn aerodrome
[20:02] <rjharrison> Near Camb
[20:02] <jonsowman> great
[20:02] <jonsowman> payload?
[20:02] <rjharrison> This is a commercial test launch for 100 paper airplanes
[20:02] <DagoRed> Laurenceb: I'm just about done witha socket server to serial port program that will have all the features you're looking for and works with any language.
[20:02] <jonsowman> Randomskk: ping. we around to track?
[20:03] <jonsowman> rjharrison: oh yes, heard about that
[20:03] <rjharrison> Yep I have got steve on board for the rig (Payload)
[20:03] <jonsowman> http://projectspaceplanes.com
[20:03] <jonsowman> that one I assume
[20:03] <rjharrison> hehe yep
[20:03] <jonsowman> cool
[20:03] <jonsowman> standard tracker payload?
[20:03] <rjharrison> I may have a few other commercial launches if anyones interested
[20:04] <rjharrison> Sort of 2x HD cams to film the action
[20:04] <rjharrison> Tracker and planes
[20:05] <jonsowman> great
[20:05] <jonsowman> any idea of time?
[20:05] <jonsowman> or weather (etc) dependent?
[20:07] <jonsowman> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=69694c9318d84f0b4bab4a7b7b18f7d2b80f7c38
[20:08] <jonsowman> well that's looking perfect
[20:12] Action: LazyLeopard will be out of range this weekend... Oh well.
[20:13] <LazyLeopard> Hope it goes well. ;)
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[20:14] <rjharrison> Launching at 9am ish
[20:14] <rjharrison> so prob 10
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[20:14] <jonsowman> :)
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[20:14] <rjharrison> hehe like the pred
[20:15] <fsphil> nice, going to be a busy weekend for launches
[20:15] <rjharrison> Who who else is going up?
[20:15] <fsphil> myself and juxta
[20:15] <rjharrison> Ping eroomde
[20:15] <rjharrison> Cool
[20:15] <earthshine> evening
[20:16] <rjharrison> Been a bit out of the loop the last couple of months
[20:16] <rjharrison> Ohh
[20:17] <rjharrison> hehe
[20:17] <rjharrison> Grn died last month and was busy month before
[20:17] <rjharrison> Anyone fancy some commercial launches
[20:17] <rjharrison> I may have a few things coming up
[20:17] <rjharrison> Proabbly have to be UK based
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[20:20] <Upu> Hey Rob
[20:20] <Upu> Harrions Near Space Systems Limited taking off (literally) then ?
[20:20] <Upu> Harrison even sorry
[20:21] <Randomskk> back
[20:21] <Upu> ping rjharrison
[20:21] <Randomskk> I think we are around saturday?
[20:21] <jonsowman> excellent
[20:21] <Upu> did you really launch the other day and end up in the sea ?
[20:21] <Upu> Sat and Sunday then
[20:21] <jonsowman> we can track the paperplanes launch for a bit then maybe? :)
[20:21] <Randomskk> I have zombies at some point
[20:21] <Randomskk> but like yea
[20:21] <Randomskk> oh, no, we can't. no yagi.
[20:21] <Randomskk> we can use the whip
[20:21] <jonsowman> ah yes
[20:21] <Randomskk> but radioworld still have not shipped my yagi
[20:22] <Randomskk> :|
[20:22] <jonsowman> D:
[20:22] <Randomskk> whip'l probably do it tbh for a lot of the flight but that is a bit annoying
[20:22] <Randomskk> wish they would hurry the heck up and ship that
[20:22] <Randomskk> must be out of stock
[20:22] <jonsowman> yes
[20:22] <jonsowman> i guess so
[20:22] <jonsowman> they're normally pretty speedy
[20:23] <fsphil> hmm.. wsplc haven't sent out my 2m yagi yet either
[20:23] <fsphil> diamond?
[20:23] <Randomskk> yes I think
[20:23] <fsphil> could be a problem with the manufacturer
[20:24] <Upu> Well sounds like I'll be getting some practice with mine this weekend
[20:25] <fsphil> definitely!
[20:25] <fsphil> will be a good test for my home station too
[20:26] <fsphil> though this isn't a cambridge launch, not sure how well I'll receive it
[20:26] <Randomskk> jonsowman: with careful sewing I can cross tracks with the conductive thread
[20:26] <Randomskk> fsphil: near cambridge apparently
[20:26] <fsphil> ah? good enough - should have no problem then
[20:26] <jonsowman> fsphil: yea, really close - see prediction
[20:27] <fsphil> sweet -- heading south too, seems to work better for me
[20:27] <Upu> well if you can get it I should be able too
[20:28] <fsphil> aye
[20:28] <fsphil> unless you've got a huge building in the way
[20:28] <Upu> how high does it have to go before you get it ?
[20:28] <fsphil> 20km
[20:28] <fsphil> I can usually hear it for about 10 minutes before I get to decode anything
[20:29] <Upu> Going to park here http://goo.gl/maps/I9gN
[20:29] <Upu> hopefully the power lines won't interfere too much
[20:29] <Upu> that's facing "cambridge" ish
[20:29] <fsphil> oh perfect
[20:29] <fsphil> not sure about the pylon, might be ok
[20:30] <Upu> yeah
[20:30] <fsphil> most of the noise on 70cm seems to be impulse noise .. switches, engines and the like
[20:30] <Upu> if not http://goo.gl/maps/eJJa
[20:30] <Upu> only a little further away
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[20:32] <Upu> ok so no point me doing anything until at least an hour after launch really
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[20:36] <fsphil> this is where I tried tracking the last one: http://goo.gl/bq3K
[20:37] <Upu> thats a decent view
[20:37] <fsphil> great for looking south, clear from east to west
[20:38] <Laurenceb> DagoRed: interesting thanks
[20:38] <fsphil> bit nippy though, always windy at that altitude
[20:39] <DagoRed> Laurenceb: I'll publish my stuff when I'm done, and there WILL be a logging feature :).
[20:39] <Laurenceb> neat, im trying to get help on #linux
[20:39] <fsphil> er, not south .. east
[20:39] <Upu> thats why I'm making a roof mounted tracking Yagi
[20:39] <Laurenceb> if this isnt mixed by tomorrow
[20:39] <Upu> or rather JackNorris is when he's online
[20:39] <Laurenceb> my plan is to just log 1k to sram
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[20:40] <Upu> the iPhone tracker should be avaible this week
[20:40] <Laurenceb> and dump, that way i can verify the performance
[20:40] <Upu> let me go poke him
[20:40] <fsphil> be gentle
[20:40] <Laurenceb> the cp2102 is just interim to check the principle works
[20:40] <Laurenceb> im going to use atmega8u2 if it does
[20:40] <Laurenceb> get more bandwidth
[20:40] <DagoRed> Laurenceb: Are you good with C?
[20:41] <Laurenceb> yes
[20:41] <jcoxon> rawr
[20:42] <Laurenceb> i cant believe how tricky this has been :(
[20:42] <Laurenceb> i just need a few mbps over usb
[20:42] <Laurenceb> ideally
[20:43] <DagoRed> Laurenceb: Just make a socket server and and extend serial support. I'm trying to make something reusable but all the code can be found online so you literaly can copy and paste to make a solution work instead of installing pyserial.
[20:43] <jcoxon> ping rjharrison
[20:44] <Laurenceb> or this http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/programming/c/linux_pgcserial.html
[20:47] <jcoxon> hey fsphil - seen this? http://www.midnightdesignsolutions.com/dds60/index.html
[20:49] <SpeedEvil> I recall that you can get tens of megabytes a second usingthe new ftdi chips.
[20:49] <SpeedEvil> In the right FIFO mode
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[20:51] <Laurenceb> com.c:28: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of built-in function exit
[20:51] <Laurenceb> maybe im not so good at c
[20:51] <Laurenceb> why wouldnt that compile?
[20:52] <SpeedEvil> warning is not a reason not to compile usually.
[20:53] <Laurenceb> saio.sa_mask = 0;
[20:53] <Laurenceb> wrong line, thats the error
[20:54] <SpeedEvil> what's the error
[20:54] <Laurenceb> com.c:32: error: incompatible types in assignment
[20:55] <Laurenceb> http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/Serial-Programming-HOWTO.html
[20:55] <Laurenceb> code C&p from there
[20:55] <Laurenceb> example 3.3
[20:55] <SpeedEvil> what's the type of saio.sa_mask
[20:56] <SpeedEvil> man says it's a sigset_t
[20:57] <SpeedEvil> have you #included signal.h
[20:58] <DanielRichman> 20:52 < Laurenceb> com.c:28: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of built-in function exit
[20:58] <DanielRichman> include stdlib.h
[21:00] <DanielRichman> also if you need to initialise the sigaction struct to all zeros memset works quite well
[21:00] <DanielRichman> then add your settings on top
[21:01] <Laurenceb> hmm where does the minicom capture file go?
[21:04] <Laurenceb> oh nvm
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[21:11] <Laurenceb> looks like im going to have to give up and write usb hardware support with LUFA
[21:11] <DanielRichman> LUFA <3
[21:12] <Laurenceb> cant get more than 115200bps into my machine, nothing like enough
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[21:12] <Laurenceb> ill buy a minimus
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[21:15] <Laurenceb> gtg
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[21:35] <natrium42> Laurenceb, http://i.imgur.com/4b79T.jpg
[21:39] <StrayVoltage> Hahahahhah...
[21:40] Action: StrayVoltage remembers the "free energy"-episode of Mythbusters.
[21:40] <SpeedEvil> :)
[21:41] <SpeedEvil> The flashlight+cart one works though.
[21:41] <StrayVoltage> It just doesn't scale well?
[21:41] <SpeedEvil> With modern batteries, and LEDs, you can get IIRC 10mm/day delta-v
[21:42] <meefs> while there is no 'free' energy, we are constantly bathed in a latent sea of electrons
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[21:51] <fsphil> the predictor playing up again?
[21:51] <fsphil> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=c459db941ec03402b81ba26bbf2dee7a387de3fe
[21:52] <jonsowman> oh dear
[21:52] <jonsowman> hang on
[21:53] <jonsowman> fsphil: try again
[21:53] <fsphil> running
[21:55] <jonsowman> brb, shout if it's still being annoying.
[21:55] <fsphil> perfect now
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[22:03] <jonsowman> great :)
[22:04] <Upu> night all
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[22:05] <SpeedEvil> ...
[22:05] <SpeedEvil> On a somewhat unrelated matter.
[22:05] <SpeedEvil> http://www.tesco.com/groceries/Product/Details/?id=262648800
[22:05] <SpeedEvil> Sun grown pitted black olives.
[22:06] <SpeedEvil> I suppose this is to distinguish them from ones imported from Alpha Centauri.
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[22:11] <meefs> they could be grown under lights
[22:11] Action: meefs guesses thats the reason for the distinction
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