highaltitude.log.20101002

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[00:33] <MrCraig> night night all \\//
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[02:50] <defy> anyone here have any experience with adrupilot?
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[05:12] <Darkside> hmm
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[07:24] <m1x10> good morning people !
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[07:40] <earthshine> morning
[07:45] <Upu> morning
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[08:18] <LazyLeopard> Hmmm.... www.ukhas.org.uk seems to be timing out...
[08:23] <juxta|console> hey earthshine
[08:23] <juxta|console> how's the book coming along?
[08:25] <earthshine> Hey
[08:25] <earthshine> Good thanks
[08:25] <earthshine> Should be done in about 2 weeks time
[08:26] <LazyLeopard> Got a publishing date yet?
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[08:31] <earthshine> 1st Dec
[08:31] <earthshine> Just in time for the Xmas shopping rush :D
[08:33] <LazyLeopard> ;)
[08:54] <m1x10> ping Randomskk
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[09:15] <fsphil> any recommendations for a half decent sat nav?
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[09:17] <jerry507_mac> My wife and I quite like our Tomtom
[09:18] <jerry507_mac> Moreso than the Garmins we've used
[09:20] <fsphil> yes I got that impression when I played about with a few - but without actually taking them out on a drive it was difficult to say
[09:20] <juxta|console> my tomtom is good too
[09:20] <juxta|console> for less than $100USD i would even say it's great :)
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[09:22] <fsphil> haha, cheapest tomtom here seems to be about 150USD
[09:23] <juxta|console> bought mine in the USA and put local maps on it
[09:23] <juxta|console> cheapest tomtom here in aus is more like $300
[09:24] <jerry507_mac> Aren't Garmins expensive too?
[09:24] <fsphil> ooch
[09:24] <juxta|console> well, at the time I got mine at least fsphil
[09:24] <fsphil> it's usually the uk that gets things expensive .. aus is worse?
[09:24] <juxta|console> some things, yeah
[09:25] <fsphil> for a lot of things, especially in computers, they just replace the dollar symbol with a pound symbol
[09:26] <juxta|console> yeah
[09:26] <earthshine> Garmin
[09:26] <juxta|console> generally it's something like this here:
[09:26] <earthshine> I used TomTom for years - got a Garmun Zumo and would never go back to TomTom
[09:26] <juxta|console> US company releases new product: $499 iProduct!
[09:26] <fsphil> ilol
[09:27] <juxta|console> arrives in australia: $750 AUD (~$720 USD) iProduct
[09:27] <earthshine> The Zumo is waterproof btw - i use it on my motorbike plus in the car
[09:27] <juxta|console> i remember it was bad when I was looking at amps
[09:28] <fsphil> fair enough the us prices don't have sales tax, but our vat rate isn't *that* high .. yet :)
[09:28] Action: earthshine must remember to put his TomTom and his eTrex on eBay
[09:29] <fsphil> etrex ... 'engage!'
[09:29] <earthshine> :\
[09:30] <fsphil> ahem, anyway :)
[09:30] <fsphil> so Tomtom or Garmin
[09:30] <earthshine> Garmin
[09:32] <juxta|console> Tomtom ;p
[09:32] <juxta|console> but I say this with no actual experience in using a Garmin
[09:32] <jerry507_mac> Comparable Garmins are more expensive though?
[09:33] <juxta|console> perhaps they're better
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[09:33] <jerry507_mac> I like the input functions on the tomtom better
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[09:43] <fsphil> the etrex is quite neat
[09:51] <fsphil> hehe, tesco direct: Garmin Nuvi 1210 UK, weight: 113.4kg
[09:51] <MrCraig> does it come in white with blue stripes?
[09:54] <fsphil> dunno, but it would need to some with a forklift
[09:54] <fsphil> hmm, some satnavs have a barometric altimeter
[09:54] <MrCraig> omg I hadn't read the measurement
[09:55] <fsphil> lol
[09:55] <MrCraig> it weighs as much as I do
[09:55] <MrCraig> lol
[09:55] <fsphil> so how good are you at navigating? and can you fit on the dash? :)
[09:56] <MrCraig> compas and atlas- JD
[09:59] <fsphil> hmm... "Vertical Display Resolution Pixels ... 3.5"
[09:59] <MrCraig> o.O
[09:59] <fsphil> whoever enters the data into the tesco website must have had a really bad day :)
[09:59] <MrCraig> it's that extra .5 of a pixel that makes the difference
[09:59] <earthshine> lol
[10:00] <fsphil> ah it's useless trying to decide from a website .. going to have to go and play with them again
[10:01] <fsphil> trouble is I don't know what feature I'd need until I notice I don't have it
[10:01] <MrCraig> I'm lucky enough to have a mobile phone with navigation - suprising how well it works.
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[10:03] <earthshine> i'm impressed with the new Google Navigation on my Android phone
[10:03] <MrCraig> that's exactly it - on the x10
[10:03] <earthshine> great for getting me in-between clients when walking around parts of London i'm not familiar with
[10:04] <MrCraig> yeah, works well for driving too - I had it guide me back into NW3 when I was living up there.
[10:04] <MrCraig> and I hate driving london.
[10:05] <earthshine> cool
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[10:06] <MrCraig> yah - I miss living there :-( down in Leatherhead now, where nothing ever happens
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[10:14] <jonsowman> MrCraig: you're in Leatherhead?
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[10:15] <MrCraig> yeah
[10:15] <jonsowman> hehe I live in Ashtead
[10:15] <MrCraig> cool :-) I was up there just the other day getting my car diagnosed
[10:15] <MrCraig> I've been here about a month - moved for work
[10:15] <jonsowman> ah right, where are you working?
[10:16] <MrCraig> You know randalls business park?
[10:16] <jonsowman> Name rings a bell, yes
[10:16] <MrCraig> it's just around the corner from the train station
[10:16] <jonsowman> ah yes I know where that is
[10:17] <MrCraig> I work for a software house on there called aircom
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[10:17] <jonsowman> right :)
[10:19] <MrCraig> Yeah, I got cheesed off with the previous company I worked for when they moved back from c.london to copthorn (near gatwick/crawley) - so I got a new job up here and did the incredibly lazy thing of moving into flats within walking distance of the office.
[10:20] <jonsowman> don't blame you, not having to commute is a definite plus
[10:20] <fsphil> that's not lazy, that's smart
[10:20] <jonsowman> how's the payload looking fsphil?
[10:20] <MrCraig> yeah - M25 each day was a pain in the ass, and now I don't rely on the car - so, with a little time it's getting turned into a tracking car - mounting a computer in it
[10:21] <fsphil> jonsowman, software mostly complete, half the box is done. still have the antenna and the pcb to make
[10:21] <fsphil> going to use stripboard again this time, don't have time for a proper pcb
[10:24] <jonsowman> fair enough, sounds good :D
[10:24] <MrCraig> I'm looking forwards to seeing the jpegs back from it
[10:25] <Randomskk> jonsowman: ping
[10:27] <fsphil> me too :D
[10:28] <MrCraig> :D no doubt
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[10:32] <UpuMobile> testing
[10:32] <earthshine> 1.. 2.. 3..
[10:32] <UpuMobile> Ok fsphil I'm ready when you launching :)
[10:33] <fsphil> lol aah you get to test things!
[10:33] <fsphil> next weekend hopefully, or if the weather is bad the one after that
[10:33] <UpuMobile> I do dl-fldigi is working, my reciever is working , my 3G is working
[10:34] <UpuMobile> so I'll go charge the batteries but wanted to test it all worked
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[10:35] <fsphil> your distance will be a good challenge for the error correction
[10:36] <Upu> I have a Yagi and I'm going to drive to a high spot
[10:37] <fsphil> but you'll need to update your dl-fldigi after I get the new recovery bit added
[10:37] <Upu> is that update the payload settings ?
[10:37] <fsphil> the program itself
[10:37] <fsphil> the image format has changed
[10:37] <Upu> ok is it out yet ?
[10:38] <fsphil> I hope to get it working today, windows builds shouldn't be long after that
[10:38] <Upu> sure ok well let me know and I'll get that put on
[10:38] <Upu> quite looking forward to testing my stuff
[10:39] <Upu> I really ought to get round to making a PCB for my FC at some point
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[12:27] <gb73d> http://www.w0otm.com/iHAB/iHAB-2/MissionControl.php
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[12:27] <gb73d> im gonna have a go at hearing the 20m beacon
[12:28] <gb73d> launch is 1500 BST 1400 Z
[12:28] <gb73d> 14059khz cw
[12:29] <MrCraig> oh cool - we gets to watch in :)
[12:31] <fsphil> I see it's a new beacon, 0.1w more powerful :) I might have a go but I didn't hear anything last time
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[12:37] <earthshine> Any UK launches due?
[12:37] <earthshine> According tot he UKAS site it's been MONTHS since the last one
[12:38] <LazyLeopard> Everything went quiet over the summer...
[12:39] <gb73d> i dint bother to try last time , but aFTER saw reports from UK and some quite near here
[12:39] <gb73d> ive decided its worth a try
[12:40] <gb73d> if it get s up to max alt the signal may get into the ioniosphere amd propagate this way
[12:40] <MrCraig> :-( wishes I had a suitable radio
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[12:43] <gb73d> u need a ssb capable hf rig like a grundig 750
[12:43] <gb73d> and a decent length of wire down the garden
[12:43] <MrCraig> Yeah - don't got a garden either lol
[12:44] <gb73d> there are remote receivers online tho
[12:44] <Laurenceb> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1316538/Gliese-581g-mystery-Scientist-spotted-mysterious-pulse-light-direction-newEarth-planet-year.html
[12:44] <gb73d> DX tuners for example
[12:44] <Laurenceb> looks like they get their stories from the davidicke.net forum
[12:44] <MrCraig> well I have my eyes set on a rig - but I'll check out DX tuners too
[12:46] <gb73d> the big news is the aliens have already taken control of our destiny
[12:46] <Upu> there is suppose to be a launch next weekend
[12:47] <gb73d> good go for it theres loads of stuff on hf
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[12:59] <Darkside> woo starting on a pcb design for my transmitter..
[12:59] <MrCraig> :-)
[13:01] <Darkside> having good fun with altium designer :P
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[13:21] <The-Compiler> Upu: do the launches get announced somewhere... :o I mean I should be on the mailing list and I still miss a lot.
[13:22] <Upu> normally on thw UKHAS mailing list I believe
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[13:47] <MrCraig> W0OTM-4 away?
[13:48] <MrCraig> kewl
[14:00] <gb73d> yes im tuned in
[14:02] <fsphil> there should be an email a few days before my launch, I don't want to announce it just yet as there could be delays
[14:03] <fsphil> gb73d, hearing anything?
[14:08] <fsphil> first prediction for next saturday launch: http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=54818ceff2b3dfd508c4c776e02e562c2d6d297e
[14:08] <fsphil> oops
[14:13] <The-Compiler> wouldn't be a good place to land, eh
[14:14] <gb73d> nothiong heard here yet
[14:18] <m1x10> Top 200 universities!
[14:18] <m1x10> http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2010-2011/top-200.html
[14:18] <gb73d> needs to be above 20k ft i reckon
[14:19] <m1x10> No Greek Universities :(
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[14:26] <MrCraig> is that balloon risking running into bloomfield airspace?
[14:27] <gb73d> its been hrd in Scotland
[14:27] <MrCraig> cool :)
[14:27] <MrCraig> it's at 10k now right?
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[14:30] <Upu> fsphil if you get some stronger winds see if you can make it to England :)
[14:30] <Upu> or Scotland :) I was in Girvan last week
[14:31] <W0OTM> iHAB-2 is up and away
[14:33] <fsphil> Upu, I was thinking that -- would be neat to have it land near one of you guys
[14:34] <fsphil> hearing plenty of morse today on that frequency
[14:34] <fsphil> probably all local though
[14:37] <fsphil> brb
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[14:38] <gb73d> a german stn was calling on the ch
[14:38] <gb73d> the beacon is 1.6w
[14:38] <gb73d> no copy atm here
[14:39] <gb73d> am in chat on control room web page
[14:39] <MrCraig> see u there, talking the same alien language as the rest of them
[14:41] <gb73d> of course we translate for free tho
[14:42] <MrCraig> :-)
[14:43] <gb73d> 14k ft
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[14:44] <MrCraig> Suprised at how fast it moves
[14:47] <gb73d> up up up i hope
[14:49] <MrCraig> *nods
[14:56] <gb73d> nothing hrd yet , italian stn bit of interferance
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[15:09] <gb73d> silence reign shere still being copied in USA
[15:10] Action: MrCraig just won a yaesu ft790r on ebay, now all I need to do is get a license to use it :-P
[15:12] <LazyLeopard> fsphil: That's a rather soggy place to land...
[15:13] <LazyLeopard> MrCraig: In UK? Tracked down a nearby Foundation class yet?
[15:13] <MrCraig> yes UK, and no foundation class no - in fact, haven't even enquired about getting a license.
[15:13] <LazyLeopard> gb73d: The Italian station pusing out an Italian average power?
[15:14] <MrCraig> I figure I can listen tho - until I'm permitted to transmit
[15:14] <LazyLeopard> Foundation classes shouldn't be too hard to find, in theory...
[15:18] Action: LazyLeopard has been having trouble tracking down an Intermediate one, though...
[15:20] <MrCraig> a 5 min search locates several places for the foundation level :-)
[15:20] <MrCraig> btw - is it legal to operate a CB radio without a license?
[15:22] <MrCraig> did iHAB-2 go missing?
[15:26] <LazyLeopard> MrCraig: http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/spectrum/spectrum-management/licence-exempt-radio-use/citizens-band-radio/
[15:27] <LazyLeopard> It's been a while since iHAB's last APRS fix, certainly...
[15:28] <MrCraig> re the link :- thanks cool, I'll keep the cb radio I picked up at a boot sale then :-) and re iHAP:- bites fingernailz
[15:29] <fsphil> MrCraig, so that was you bidding on that. drat :)
[15:29] <MrCraig> you were the other bidder on it?
[15:29] <fsphil> nah I bit early on, before it went over 50
[15:30] <MrCraig> ahh - I missed my chance on one last month so bid a little more than 50% over what it's worth, and then watched someone bid 11 times (and retract one) against it during the week. I figured it might be someone from here even lol
[15:31] <SpeedEvil> IMO - never, ever bid before the last 10-20 seconds.
[15:31] <SpeedEvil> If ebay users behaved rationally, and bid what they decided the item was worth, then there would e no reason for this.
[15:31] <SpeedEvil> But they see a bid of 1 quid more than their target, and manage to convince themself.
[15:32] <LazyLeopard> ebay is an irrational environment...
[15:32] <fsphil> yea
[15:33] <fsphil> no cw here at all now
[15:33] <MrCraig> yeah - My stratergy was different, this item is quite rare so I figured I am willing to go in high to get it - and the 10-11 bids against me during the week just served to show I wasn't messing around.
[15:34] <fsphil> they normally go for ~£60
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[15:35] <MrCraig> then I paid over for it - but meh I need a 70cm reciever and there's few around that sell for <150, most I've seen >300
[15:35] <fsphil> yea it's still a heck of a lot cheaper than an ft817
[15:36] <MrCraig> yup - I saw one last month go at 100 or there abouts, so I'm not feelin stung, infact, I'm quite pleased.... still waiting on my cnc milling machine to arrive from china though <grumbles>
[15:37] <Darkside> haha
[15:37] <Darkside> this is why i'm making a HF telemetry transmitter...
[15:37] <Darkside> then any old HF receiver will do
[15:37] <MrCraig> showing off now? lol
[15:37] <Darkside> as long as it does USB, which pretty much all will do
[15:37] <Darkside> though in the UK you can't transmit HF from a balloon :P
[15:37] <fsphil> you lucky people with your HF from a balloon :p
[15:38] <MrCraig> I'd guess most people here in the UK have 70cm riggs too? maybe I can get some of y'all as contacts when I'm legit.
[15:38] <fsphil> hehe, good idea
[15:39] <fsphil> people have gotten great range with 70cm when the atmosphere is just right
[15:41] <MrCraig> so long as it picks up my balloon - I'm happy. Anything else is a welcome bonus :)
[15:42] <fsphil> oh no problem with that
[15:42] <fsphil> most of the country will pick that up
[15:42] <MrCraig> :-)
[15:42] <fsphil> any word on ihab?
[15:42] <MrCraig> not heard anything on ihab yet, not in 30 mins
[15:42] <fsphil> ah just saw a message on the chat thingy
[15:42] <fsphil> all going well
[15:42] <MrCraig> 4:42 NZ3M: tracking still working, the tracking site not working
[15:42] <MrCraig> yeah, just caught that msg
[15:43] <gb73d> not hrd a thing here
[15:44] <MrCraig> judging by the speeds ihab got up to, I'd imagine the hardest part here is landing on solid ground
[15:45] <fsphil> not even a peep here
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[15:48] <LazyLeopard> Erf. Seems to be at least one contest running on 40 and 20 metres SSB
[15:49] <fsphil> heard IZ1MLY calling CQ, very strong
[15:50] <LazyLeopard> Italian stations seem to think a kilowatt is QRP...
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[15:56] <gb73d> its descended
[15:57] <gb73d> unfavourablke propo ireckon
[15:57] <gb73d> propagation
[15:57] <gb73d> worth a try tho
[15:58] <earthshine> is this a tethered test?
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[16:00] <earthshine> Anyone here successfully managed to get an SCP1000 and an SD Card to communicate over SPI with an Arduino/Atmega ?
[16:02] <gb73d> chow for now ..
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[16:05] <fsphil> ot: that automated boat launched a few weeks back has been declared lost - since they lost the main computer they where relying on the spot, which has now stopped working
[16:08] <earthshine> lol
[16:09] <fsphil> I wonder how tricky it would be to use HF from a small boat
[16:09] <fsphil> no problem with grounding anyway
[16:09] <fsphil> size of the antenna would be the problem
[16:10] <SpeedEvil> depends on the size of the mast
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[16:13] <fsphil> ah the mast itself could be the antenna
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[17:14] <Darkside> hey
[17:14] <Darkside> does anyone know a chip or a mosfet i can use for simple power switching
[17:14] <Darkside> i.e. to turn a section of my circuit on or off
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[17:15] <Darkside> i know i need a FET with a threshold voltage of less than 3.3v - my logic levels, but i don't really know where to start - so many choices
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[18:39] <DanielRichman> earthshine: I have done a SD Card w an atmega
[18:39] <Darkside> hey DanielRichman
[18:39] <DanielRichman> hi Darkside
[18:39] <DanielRichman> soldered my xmega today
[18:39] <Darkside> what xmega chip did you use onyour alien2 design?
[18:39] <DanielRichman> atxmega32a4
[18:39] <Darkside> ahh ok
[18:39] <Darkside> small one
[18:39] <DanielRichman> <3 smd
[18:40] <Darkside> i'm keeping the 128A1 on mine :P
[18:40] <DanielRichman> otoh I have now got a massive flux (i guess) induced headache :P
[18:40] <DanielRichman> flux vapours mmm
[18:40] <Darkside> since this board isnt soley for HAB stuff
[18:40] <DanielRichman> :)
[18:40] <Darkside> and having a shit-ton of IO lines is very useful
[18:40] <DanielRichman> haha yes
[18:41] <Darkside> since i'm not including the SDRAM on my board, i can breakout all those ports to pin headers
[18:41] <Darkside> well, actually i'm using some of the EBI ports to control my radio interface, and breaking out the rest
[18:41] <DanielRichman> smoke test soon
[18:42] <Darkside> back in a sec
[18:42] <Darkside> lool
[18:43] <DanielRichman> I also managed to vapourize a section of these gloves trying to change the soldering iron tip when it hadn't cooled down enough >.>
[18:43] <DanielRichman> time to solder in the breakout headers; brb
[18:44] <Darkside> hahaha
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[18:45] <Laurenceb> anyone used bus pirate under linux?
[18:46] <Darkside> yeah
[18:46] <Darkside> just plug it in and it should work
[18:47] <DanielRichman> This flux is non-clean, but the excess sitting on the board is a bit sticky-icky; any really easy way to get rid of it or shall I just leave it?
[18:48] <Darkside> dunno
[18:48] <Darkside> DanielRichman: is your design online anywhere?
[18:48] <DanielRichman> yes
[18:48] <DanielRichman> http://github.com/danielrichman/alien/tree/master/alien2/eagle/
[18:48] <Darkside> your github?
[18:49] <DanielRichman> yes
[18:49] <Laurenceb> http://pastebin.com/iCH79i8Q
[18:49] <Laurenceb> thats what happens
[18:49] <DanielRichman> oh uninstall brltty
[18:51] <Darkside> DanielRichman: cool design
[18:51] <Darkside> atm mine uses mostly through hole components :P
[18:51] <Darkside> problem is i can't do good SMD soldering yet
[18:51] <Darkside> i can get the main chips done for me, but not the rest
[18:51] <Laurenceb> what is brltty?
[18:51] <Darkside> so i was goign to do as much of it as i can in through-hole
[18:52] <Laurenceb> oh braille
[18:52] <Laurenceb> lol i wont need that
[18:52] <Laurenceb> yay it connects :D
[18:52] <Laurenceb> tnks
[18:54] <DanielRichman> np
[18:55] <DanielRichman> Darkside: SMD is really easy
[18:55] <DanielRichman> otoh if you're going for the 128a1 it might be harder than my a4 :P
[18:55] <Darkside> im looking at some of the small resistors and caps on the xplain board, and thinking 'WTF'
[18:55] <Darkside> well i'm not soldering the A1 :P
[18:55] <DanielRichman> oh the xplain board has the tiniest possible
[18:55] <Darkside> someone else is doing that :P
[18:55] <DanielRichman> but 0603 isn't bad
[18:55] <DanielRichman> haha
[18:56] <Darkside> through-hole components around the place means less vias :P
[18:56] <Darkside> well, kind of
[18:56] <Darkside> i'm a n00b at pcb routing
[18:57] <Darkside> but it was nice having all these ground points around the board - yes i know about polygon pours
[18:57] <DanielRichman> alien1 is on my github; that was all pth
[18:57] <Darkside> i'm just trying to convince myself that the grounds can actually be routed together properly
[18:57] <DanielRichman> but tbh both a1 and a2 are just digital boards just connecting digital chips together
[18:58] <DanielRichman> You have some funky RF stuff on your board, right?
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[18:58] <Darkside> DanielRichman: nah
[18:58] <Darkside> not much at all
[18:58] <Darkside> the signal generator is pretty boring really, and i'm not game enough to put my amplifier on the same board as the xmega
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[18:59] <Darkside> ideally the amplifier will be in a metal box
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[20:01] <earthshine> DanielRichman: Have you done an SD Card and SCP1000 ?
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[20:27] <m1x10> earthshine, yes he did. But he was writing raw bytes. Not using a filesystem.
[20:28] <m1x10> If u r interest in using a FS check: http://code.google.com/p/fat16lib/
[20:28] <m1x10> I havent tried it yet cause Im waiting for my new order which contains a 5v SD breakout.
[20:30] <earthshine> yeah i'm using that
[20:30] <earthshine> The issue is - Either the SD card or the SCP1000 works fine on their own - but when I try to get them to work together I get volume init failures
[20:35] <DanielRichman> earthshine: do you understand the concept of slave-select in SPI?
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[20:35] <earthshine> yes - i have seperate CS for both devices
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[20:35] <DanielRichman> and the code is selecting the correct device?
[20:35] <earthshine> yep
[20:36] <DanielRichman> I don't know then. You could check that the SPI code for each one isn't messing with the other's spi settings
[20:36] <earthshine> yeah i'm going through it with a fine toothcomb now
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[20:39] <m1x10> earthshine, so you have used fat16lib?
[20:39] <earthshine> yep
[20:39] <m1x10> experience?
[20:39] <m1x10> works 100% ?
[20:39] <m1x10> any strange issue?
[20:42] <earthshine> Yeah it works fine
[20:42] <earthshine> just not when I connect the SCP1000 too - lol
[20:43] <Darkside> hm
[20:52] <earthshine> fixed it
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[20:54] <DanielRichman> what was the fix?
[20:55] <earthshine> used a different 3.3v power source
[20:55] <earthshine> first one must have been too high or low
[20:56] <earthshine> was using an LM3940
[20:59] <Darkside> heh
[20:59] <Darkside> im doing some dodgy hax in my project...
[21:00] <Darkside> i need 3.3v for the xmega, 5v for my signal gen, and 12v foer my amp
[21:00] <Darkside> so, i power it off a battery, use a switchmode regulator to get the flat 12v for the amp, use a switchmode reg to get 5v, then a LDO reg to get 3.3v
[21:00] <Darkside> w00
[21:00] <Darkside> it should actually be quite efficient...
[21:01] <Darkside> the switchmode supplies are very very efficient
[21:02] <earthshine> must have been a faulty one
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[21:08] <earthshine> ffs
[21:08] <earthshine> That's the third time today that unpugging my Arduino has caused my iMac to crash
[21:14] <defy> so whats the arduino exactly? are they just breakout boards for atmegas?
[21:14] <SpeedEvil> yes
[21:14] <SpeedEvil> and a bootloader
[21:14] <SpeedEvil> and a 'user friendly' language.
[21:15] <defy> oh what language do they use?
[21:15] <russss> it's a preprocessor for C
[21:15] <russss> adds some niceties
[21:15] <defy> sweet
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[21:15] <defy> I've been looking at the ardupilot...quite keen on getting a couple of them
[21:15] <SpeedEvil> It hides detals of trhe hardware that are sometimes important.
[21:16] <russss> it's nice for quick and simple stuff
[21:16] <SpeedEvil> yes
[21:16] <russss> if I'm doing something complex (or small) then I use avr-gcc
[21:17] <defy> i was gona ask, can you override it?
[21:17] <defy> and use avr-gcc
[21:21] <russss> yeah, it uses avr-gcc under the hood anyway
[21:21] <DanielRichman> the arduino lang is a library of avr-gcc (or winavr, which is itself avr-gcc for windows)
[21:21] <Darkside> hehe
[21:21] <Darkside> i managed to get TinyGPS working on my xmega
[21:21] <DanielRichman> :)
[21:21] <russss> and it's just an avr with a FTDI USB-serial chip so you can use avrdude with it too
[21:22] <russss> (in fact it uses avrdude itself anyway...)
[21:22] <Darkside> just had to use avr-g++ instead of avr-gcc, and re-create some of the wiring functions
[21:22] <Darkside> millis in particulat
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[21:28] <defy> thats good then, I've used avr-gcc quite a bit when doing robostix programming, shouldn't be too much of a jump from one to another
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[21:39] <chris_99> hey guys, has anyone played with stepper motors before, i'm just wondering whether you'd reccomend buying a controller chip, or just making my own with transistor
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[21:45] <earthshine> yes
[21:46] <earthshine> It's easy enough to do with an SN754410 chip
[21:47] <chris_99> cheers, i assume that'll work with most stepper motors
[21:47] <earthshine> all
[21:48] <earthshine> just up to you to do the phasing in the code
[21:48] <MrCraig> es: did you know that from memory or did you look it up?
[21:49] <chris_99> awesome, i'll grab one of those soon :)
[21:49] <Darkside> pololu has a stepper motor driver board
[21:49] <earthshine> from memory
[21:49] <earthshine> i've used them a few times
[21:49] <Darkside> it might be based around that chip, i cant remember
[21:50] <MrCraig> :-) it's impressive when people can remember IC names from memory other than a member of the x86 family
[21:50] <earthshine> no doubt - that and the L293D are used a lot
[21:50] <earthshine> but the SN has a higher amp rating
[21:50] <Darkside> hahaha
[21:50] <earthshine> so it's better chip
[21:50] <Darkside> bloody hell
[21:51] <earthshine> MrCraig: it's saud just how many IC names I CAN remember
[21:51] <earthshine> *sad
[21:53] <MrCraig> nah - knowledge is a good thing, it's dying out
[21:55] <earthshine> I can see circuit diagrams with IC names and know right away what they do and their purpose on the board
[21:55] <earthshine> but still learning
[21:56] <MrCraig> I've not done electronics really since college - my sad quirk is knowing the cpu used in a range of computers dating back 25 years
[21:56] <MrCraig> but since most of them were 6502 based it's not so hard.
[21:57] <earthshine> you must be as old as me then - lol
[21:57] <MrCraig> perhaps - but I should warn you my facination started early so I may pip you by a few years
[21:58] <MrCraig> 31
[21:58] <earthshine> lol
[21:58] <earthshine> 42
[21:58] <earthshine> I still have some of my retro computers
[21:59] <earthshine> ZX81, Dragon 64, Amiga 500, ZX SPectrum 48k, ZX Spectrum +3
[21:59] <MrCraig> I started programming (or more accurately, copying from a book) aged 5 on a TRS-80 II - my parents were considered crazy to be buying a child a computer which back then was a tool you'd expect to find in a factory
[21:59] <earthshine> all up in the loft
[21:59] <earthshine> yep I had one of those too
[21:59] <MrCraig> and you still have it?!
[21:59] <earthshine> plus a Texas Instruments TI994a which had great polyphonic sound
[21:59] <earthshine> No I don't have the TRS80 any more
[22:01] <MrCraig> I had TRS80, ZX81, ZX-48, C64, C128, Ams Cpc464, A500, A1200, 286SX / DX and then every stage of x86 since or a compatible clone
[22:01] <earthshine> Never had a commodore - not sure why
[22:01] <earthshine> I had an Apricot once - remember them?
[22:01] <MrCraig> I'd say over the Zx48 at the time you missed out.
[22:01] <earthshine> One of the worls first portable PCs
[22:01] <earthshine> if you cann a heavy suitcase portable
[22:01] <MrCraig> I remember the Apricot lol wow
[22:02] <MrCraig> never had a dragon, was always curious about those
[22:02] <SpeedEvil> I have bits of an apricot.
[22:02] <SpeedEvil> The apricot factory was 5 miles from me.
[22:02] <earthshine> it had speech recognition that just didnt work
[22:03] <SpeedEvil> I dug in their skips a bit.
[22:03] <MrCraig> I remember as I switched from the other machines (at the time A1200 -> 286/386) and asking myself, wtf do you mean memory banks? linear memory model on all the others, or as far as your process was concerned.
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[22:03] <SpeedEvil> ZX48?
[22:03] <earthshine> Spectrum
[22:03] <MrCraig> was that banked? I never coded it
[22:04] <SpeedEvil> Was it ever called that?
[22:04] <earthshine> Spectrum 48k
[22:04] <MrCraig> there was banking on the C64 but it was only to swap rom out for ram
[22:04] <MrCraig> I was just abreviating the name
[22:05] <MrCraig> 4 color palette - *shudder*
[22:05] <SpeedEvil> spectrum did not have a 4 color palette
[22:05] <MrCraig> it didn't?
[22:05] <earthshine> 8 colours
[22:05] <SpeedEvil> It was way more baroque than that.
[22:06] <MrCraig> I remember it was the stub of jokes in the C64 world with it's amazing 16 colors
[22:06] <SpeedEvil> It was a mono screen, with each 8*8(?) block one of 64 background/color combination.
[22:07] <SpeedEvil> So you could change foreground and background colour per block
[22:07] <MrCraig> ah
[22:07] <SpeedEvil> When memory was expensive.
[22:08] <SpeedEvil> well - by some measures.
[22:08] <MrCraig> I owned one for a while but didn't code it because I haaated the rubber keyb
[22:08] <SpeedEvil> It used to cost a dollar a bit.
[22:09] <SpeedEvil> Silly that I now have an emulator on my phone.
[22:09] <MrCraig> I'm sure someone once said "hah 16k is more memory than computers will ever need."
[22:10] <fsphil> cool, I think I just saw a polar orbiting satellite burning up in the atmosphere
[22:10] <SpeedEvil> Sure it wasn't an iridium flare?
[22:10] <fsphil> it was bright red, and flickering
[22:11] <fsphil> about the right speed though
[22:11] <SpeedEvil> ah, probably not.
[22:11] <SpeedEvil> bright red would be odd
[22:12] <SpeedEvil> burning up stuff tends more to yellow/whirte
[22:12] <fsphil> either that or an aircraft -- and flickering red lights wouldn't be a good thing there either
[22:12] <SpeedEvil> Aliens.
[22:12] <fsphil> haha
[22:12] <MrCraig> well obviously.
[22:13] <fsphil> suppose if it was something burning up, would have left a trail
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