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[10:05] <Laurenceb> hi
[10:05] <SpeedEvil> i
[10:40] <Randomskk> yay continuous integration http://ci.habhub.org
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[10:47] <m1x10> :)
[10:48] <m1x10> i dont really understand
[10:48] <m1x10> its use
[10:48] <m1x10> :(
[10:49] <Randomskk> you will if you ever write any code for habitat :P
[10:53] <m1x10> whats habitat?
[10:53] <m1x10> :P
[10:54] <m1x10> btw, im still waiting that guy to tell me how to put ground copper on pcb editor
[10:54] <m1x10> :)
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[11:15] <Laurenceb> use a proper program
[11:15] <Laurenceb> ohi thoughtof a potential big issue withkicad
[11:16] <Laurenceb> if you have a laid out board and decide to change one or two components, do you end up ripping everything up?
[11:17] <Randomskk> no
[11:17] <Randomskk> you can forward and back annotate
[11:18] <Laurenceb> how?dont you have to generate a new netlist?
[11:18] <Randomskk> not quite
[11:18] <Randomskk> they, like, merge
[11:20] <Laurenceb> ah i see
[11:20] <Laurenceb> ok clever then
[12:37] <Laurenceb> http://hackaday.com/2009/10/19/dso-nano-oscilloscope-reviewed/#comment-102549
[12:38] <SpeedEvil> hmm
[12:40] <Randomskk> except that the saleae comes with a set of very nice probes and a proper case
[12:43] <Laurenceb> i waswondering if you could stickan ADC on an openlogic
[12:47] <Laurenceb> http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9857
[12:47] <Laurenceb> that with an ADCon the front
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[12:53] <Laurenceb> could get 2 channelsof 8 bit each at 200Msps
[12:53] <Laurenceb> would needtosync the adcclock...or just overclock it at say 210msps
[12:55] <SpeedEvil> A scope is more than a RAM and an ADC though.
[12:55] <SpeedEvil> Ram + ADC isn't useless of course
[12:55] <Laurenceb> yes- itd be a PC scope
[12:58] <Laurenceb> http://uk.farnell.com/national-semiconductor/adc08200cimt/8bit-200msps-adc-powerwise/dp/8206805
[12:58] <Laurenceb> couple of those
[12:59] <SpeedEvil> hmm
[13:01] <Laurenceb> would need 200MHz - wonder if you could nick it from the openlogic board
[13:01] <Laurenceb> - and interface buffer and esd protection on both channels
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[13:35] <Laurenceb> http://dangerousprototypes.com/2010/01/07/open-source-digital-sampling-oscilloscope/
[13:35] <Laurenceb> they are already working on it
[13:44] <Laurenceb> not sure how to do esd control
[13:46] <Laurenceb> guess esd diodes
[13:48] <SpeedEvil> http://www.cliftonlaboratories.com/diode_turn-on_time.htm is interesting
[13:48] <SpeedEvil> I seem to recall hearing of PIN diodes being used
[14:14] <Laurenceb> guess a small resistor in series before the diodes?
[14:14] <SpeedEvil> yes
[14:16] <SpeedEvil> http://www.st.com/stonline/products/literature/ta/11835.pdf looks relevant
[14:29] <m1x10> Randomskk: http://imagebin.org/113913
[14:29] <Randomskk> uhm like
[14:30] <Randomskk> shouldn't there be some actual traces there too
[14:30] <Randomskk> also your isolation looks a bit small
[14:30] <Randomskk> (also you only need to tell me in one channel)
[14:30] <SpeedEvil> I guess it's on another layer
[14:30] <m1x10> hahah
[14:30] <Randomskk> SpeedEvil: ah. it would appear that this progam uses almost the same creamy colour for both top and bottom, going on the layers tab
[14:30] <Randomskk> if not exactly the same.
[14:31] <Randomskk> excellent design choice there
[14:31] <Randomskk> why exactly are you using this program, m1x10?
[14:31] <m1x10> http://imagebin.org/113911 --> top
[14:31] <m1x10> http://imagebin.org/113910 --> bottom
[14:32] <m1x10> The guy who helps me suggested
[14:32] <m1x10> And its easy now that i have learned it
[14:32] <Randomskk> well, it's your choice
[14:33] <m1x10> heh
[14:33] <m1x10> ok
[14:33] <Randomskk> again though, you should have thick ground traces going from /both/ RFGND pins down to the four outside connections on the SMA
[14:33] <m1x10> i just want to make on pcb
[14:33] <Randomskk> I can't even tell what layer the ground plane is on or why it appears to obscure the bottom layers, but eh
[14:33] <m1x10> you said only thick for RF out
[14:33] <Randomskk> at the end of the day it'l work almost no matter what you do, it's just a question of how well it works and how much of that 10mW you actually get
[14:34] <m1x10> 300mw
[14:34] <m1x10> :)
[14:34] <Randomskk> oh, right, not the ntx
[14:34] <Randomskk> same thing then. the loss is a dB reduction
[14:34] <m1x10> so put thick lines to both rf out and rf gnds?
[14:34] <Randomskk> uhm.
[14:34] <Randomskk> one second.
[14:35] <Laurenceb> isuspect thereisnt really an rfground
[14:35] <Laurenceb> its connected to the main gnd internally
[14:35] <m1x10> this might help you: http://www.radiometrix.co.uk/products/bim1/hx1_pinout.gif
[14:37] <Laurenceb> hmmok
[14:37] <Laurenceb> not quite the same as the ntx2 aiui
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[14:37] <m1x10> so any changes?
[14:38] <Randomskk> wow, finding a quick sketching program that will save to the internet is more of an effor than you'd expect
[14:38] <Randomskk> https://randomskk.net/u/rfout.png
[14:39] <m1x10> lol
[14:39] <m1x10> i got u
[14:39] <Laurenceb> if you want to be clever - impedance match the trace to 50 ohm
[14:40] <m1x10> Laurenceb, im completely noob with these stuff. so i need a 10year experience to get clever :)
[14:40] <Laurenceb> heh
[14:40] <Laurenceb> threres a web tool somewhere
[14:43] <Laurenceb> http://www.technick.net/public/code/cp_dpage.php?aiocp_dp=util_pcb_imp_calculator
[14:43] <Laurenceb> microstrip to the sma
[14:45] <Randomskk> that appears to be a bit backwards, though. you want a 50 ohm line, not to find out the impedance of your line
[14:45] <Randomskk> obviously there are many possible solutions
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[14:50] <m1x10> Randomskk, robint91 is thew guy who helps me out.
[14:50] <Randomskk> so what is this piece of ass pcb design software? >.>
[14:51] <robint91> it is better then eagle
[14:51] <Randomskk> I don't even know what it's called. does it run on anything besides windows? can it show layers behind other layers? m1x10's screenshot has a copper fill on top totally blanking everything below
[14:52] <m1x10> yeah, that thing bothers my imagination :P
[14:52] <Laurenceb> does it do schematics?
[14:53] <m1x10> yeah
[14:53] <robint91> yes
[14:53] <m1x10> i did my own componetns
[14:53] <m1x10> put them in schematic
[14:53] <m1x10> attached them with pin layouts
[14:53] <m1x10> then exported to pcb editor
[14:53] <Randomskk> its library interface seems particularly crude, it looks like a gigantic scrolling list
[14:53] <robint91> :p
[14:54] <robint91> you can search it
[14:54] <m1x10> thats why it has the search button :)
[14:54] <m1x10> :)
[14:54] <robint91> if you got a fast cpu
[14:54] <robint91> :p
[14:54] <m1x10> lol
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[14:54] <m1x10> ok guys the problem is on the thick or not traces. !
[14:54] <juxta> how is it better than eagle?
[14:54] <robint91> it is easier
[14:55] <m1x10> eeee
[14:55] <juxta> not showering is easier than showering
[14:55] <m1x10> "they wont solve my almost perfect design issues, instead they fight who got the best tool" \m/
[14:56] <robint91> lol
[14:56] <Darkside> altium designer?
[14:56] <m1x10> that dead mosquito brought me bad luck
[14:56] <robint91> w00t
[14:56] <robint91> altium rulez
[14:56] <Darkside> <-- uses altium designer
[14:57] <Darkside> it costs $$$ tho
[14:57] <robint91> <-- uses altium designer
[14:57] <Darkside> luckily i get student discount
[14:57] <SpeedEvil> Aerogel was first created by Samuel Stephens Kistler in 1931, as a result of a bet with Charles Learned over who could replace the liquid in 'jellies' with gas without causing shrinkage.[3][4
[14:57] <SpeedEvil> Funky
[14:57] <robint91> luckily i get student discount
[14:57] <Darkside> i am a silly sod
[14:57] <Darkside> no?
[14:57] <Darkside> just checking..
[14:57] <robint91> sod?
[14:57] <juxta> heh
[14:57] <m1x10> ok, I think i should not bother any more this pcb. should send it to chinatown to make it.
[14:58] <Darkside> anyway, i really only use altium designer because it's what we're taught at uni. i do find it a LOT easiler than eagle to use
[14:58] <Darkside> also autoroute is win
[14:58] <Randomskk> autoroute D:
[14:58] <robint91> our uni doesn't use altium
[14:58] <Darkside> if you set it up properly, autoroute is freaking awesome
[14:59] <Darkside> if you don't set it up properly (like me) it works fine too :P unless you have specific impedance needs, and stuff like that
[14:59] <Randomskk> for sufficiently complicated problems, with sufficiently advanced autorouters, and a lot of cpu
[14:59] <robint91> they use something even worse then eagle
[14:59] <Darkside> heh Randomskk
[14:59] <Darkside> altiums autorouter is fast
[14:59] <Randomskk> fast doesn't mean good
[15:00] <Darkside> and good :)
[15:00] <Darkside> i've spoken with a few people from the electronics indistry around adelaide
[15:00] <Darkside> industry*
[15:00] <Darkside> most use altium
[15:00] <Darkside> i forget what the other company uses..
[15:00] <robint91> orcad cadence?
[15:00] <Darkside> dunno
[15:01] <Darkside> maybe
[15:01] <robint91> or ultiboard
[15:01] <Darkside> but altium is pretty freaing powerful
[15:01] <Darkside> especially for FPGA designs
[15:01] <Darkside> everything is integrated - VHDL up to the PCB
[15:02] <Darkside> but is is fraking expensive
[15:02] <m1x10> "omg they forgot me"
[15:02] <robint91> lol
[15:02] <Darkside> i pay $100/year for my license
[15:02] <Darkside> totally worth it tho
[15:02] <m1x10> damn u bad mosquito
[15:02] <robint91> those traces are good
[15:02] <m1x10> how about the copper filling the whole area
[15:02] <m1x10> ?
[15:02] <Darkside> ?
[15:03] <robint91> send to pid file
[15:03] <robint91> *dip
[15:03] <robint91> I pay 105 euros for altium
[15:03] <m1x10> send u the pid?
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[15:03] <robint91> *dip
[15:03] <m1x10> I dont pay. I dont have money. lol
[15:03] <m1x10> wait
[15:04] <Darkside> anyone here used any of the nordic RF chips?
[15:04] <robint91> no
[15:04] <robint91> you?
[15:04] <Darkside> im looking at getting a Nordic nRF905
[15:05] <johnnyfive|work> Darkside, purpose?
[15:05] <Darkside> flarm sniffer
[15:05] <Darkside> flarm being the most common collision detection system used in gliders
[15:05] <johnnyfive|work> are you going to use it in a glider?
[15:06] <Darkside> nope
[15:06] <Darkside> on the ground, with a high gain omni
[15:06] <johnnyfive|work> ?
[15:06] <johnnyfive|work> to see if you're going to collide with glider from the ground? :P
[15:06] <Darkside> receive the flarm transmissions from gliders in the air, and track their positions
[15:06] <Darkside> and plot on a map
[15:06] <johnnyfive|work> I see
[15:06] <Darkside> 10mW goes a long way when you're a few thousand feed up
[15:06] <Darkside> feet*
[15:07] <johnnyfive|work> so you don't need to send, just receive
[15:07] <m1x10> robint91, got it?
[15:07] <Darkside> yep
[15:07] <robint91> yep
[15:07] <Darkside> im using the nRF905 because its the same chip as in teh flarm itself
[15:07] <Laurenceb> i was looking at kicad
[15:07] <Laurenceb> for pcb
[15:07] <Darkside> and i have the leaked rf protocol spec
[15:07] <Darkside> since they use *encryption* on the transmission...
[15:07] <m1x10> try again
[15:08] <johnnyfive|work> Oh they do? well then
[15:08] <johnnyfive|work> I have no advice for you then, you know more than me at this point.
[15:08] <Darkside> yep
[15:08] <Darkside> hehe
[15:08] <Darkside> you're a glider pilot?
[15:08] <m1x10> upload it somewhere.
[15:08] <johnnyfive|work> nope, i'm a HAB hobbyist
[15:08] <Darkside> heh
[15:08] <Darkside> but yeah, the flarms are pretty cool devices
[15:09] <Darkside> and apparently they do sell something like what i want to make, but not for cheap
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[15:13] <Darkside> oh man
[15:13] <Darkside> nordic use altium designer
[15:14] <Darkside> :P
[15:14] <Darkside> you can tell from their schematic diagrams
[15:15] <robint91> :p
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[15:17] <johnnyfive|work> Can anyone here tell me if this is ttl or r232? http://www.esawdust.com/product/egps-fsa03-bkob/
[15:17] <robint91> lvttl
[15:18] <johnnyfive|work> lvttl?
[15:18] <robint91> " spaced pins are available for 3.3V power, GND, and 3.3V level signals for transmit, receive, and 1-PPS.
[15:18] <johnnyfive|work> I see
[15:18] <johnnyfive|work> Well now to google what the difference is. Thanks
[15:18] <m1x10> johnnyfive|work i got this gps
[15:19] <johnnyfive|work> m1x10, attached to a arduino?
[15:19] <m1x10> y
[15:19] <m1x10> directly to a digital pins
[15:19] <m1x10> and using nsss
[15:19] <m1x10> to read
[15:19] <johnnyfive|work> how hard is it to use?
[15:19] <m1x10> simple
[15:19] <johnnyfive|work> nsss, an arduino library? gah so much to learn
[15:19] <m1x10> newsoftserial
[15:19] <m1x10> uart emulator
[15:19] <m1x10> must go
[15:19] <johnnyfive|work> ah, I have a netduino
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[15:23] <Laurenceb> dsonanov2 is single channel still?
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[15:29] <johnnyfive|work> anyone have experience with the gm862 module?
[15:29] <Laurenceb> SpeedEvil: the spartanon the Openlogic board has internal clock at 100mhz
[15:29] <Laurenceb> so hard to see how youcould get beyond 100mhz with it
[15:29] <Laurenceb> http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9263 <- maybe a better deal
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[15:35] <SpeedEvil> multiphase
[15:37] <Laurenceb> not sure the fpga could gate it in
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[15:38] <SpeedEvil> I have wondered about DDR/... memory
[15:38] Nick change: SpikeUK_ -> SpikeUK
[15:38] <SpeedEvil> you only actually need to put a new address on the bus every page
[15:39] <SpeedEvil> most DDR or QDR stuff (SDR too) can simply write to a whole page at burst rate
[15:39] <SpeedEvil> where a page is typically 4k
[15:40] <Laurenceb> want anything fromseedstudio?
[15:41] <Laurenceb> anyone ?
[15:41] <Laurenceb> im putting in an order
[15:41] <SpeedEvil> one of everything!
[15:41] <SpeedEvil> But not really
[15:42] <SpeedEvil> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/09/100912064414.htm?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sciencedaily+%28ScienceDaily%3A+Latest+Science+News%29&utm_content=Google+UK
[15:42] <SpeedEvil> Ah yes.
[15:42] <SpeedEvil> how can we compete with space-x.
[15:42] <SpeedEvil> Let's do catapult launch!
[15:43] <SpeedEvil> These guys are on quality drugs.
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[15:50] <Laurenceb> cya
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[18:53] <griffonbot> @nearsys: Just turned in an article on the HoverBot to Servo magazine. I'm working on the second CHDK article for N&V now. #ARHAB [http://twitter.com/nearsys/status/24406855850]
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[19:16] <Laurenceb> got a bus pirate v3
[19:17] <m1x10> Laurenceb what did u order?
[19:17] <m1x10> Im planning to send the pcb there
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[19:25] <jcoxon> evening all
[19:25] <Randomskk> yo
[19:26] <SpikeUK_> jcoxon Hi!
[19:26] <jcoxon> hey Randomskk SpikeUK
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[19:30] <jcoxon> going to solder up my fsa03 this evening
[19:30] <jcoxon> its taken about a month to get round to it
[19:33] <SpikeUK_> fsa03? <Spike Goes of to google it>
[19:33] <jcoxon> its a gps module - mixed reactions from people
[19:33] <jcoxon> wobbly antenna
[19:34] <jcoxon> but other wise very good
[19:34] <jcoxon> i made a breakout board for it
[19:34] <SpikeUK_> Oh. http://www.falcom.de/products/gps-modules/fsa03/
[19:34] <SpikeUK_> I remember now James!
[19:35] <johnnyfive|work> wobbly antenna?
[19:35] <johnnyfive|work> I just recieved mine in the mail today, built into a breakout board
[19:35] <johnnyfive|work> anyone have any experience with the gm862 GSM module?
[19:36] <jcoxon> johnnyfive| indeed
[19:36] <jcoxon> quite a bit
[19:37] <jcoxon> (as in experience with a gm862)
[19:37] <johnnyfive|work> jcoxon, yes? How is it interfaced? I don't understand electronics very well (yet)
[19:37] <johnnyfive|work> does it need to be converted to r232 or usb or somet first? or can I just plug two digital pins (rx/tx) + power from my netduino to control it?
[19:38] <jcoxon> johnnyfive|work, so it has a serial port
[19:38] <jcoxon> but they are 3.3v rather then rs232
[19:39] <johnnyfive|work> well I was going to order the basic breakout board from sparkfun
[19:39] <johnnyfive|work> so then from there I need a converter or somet?
[19:39] <jcoxon> johnnyfive|work, it'll interface with your netduino
[19:39] <johnnyfive|work> http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=277
[19:40] <jcoxon> yeah, that'll do but you'll need to do a bit of wiring
[19:40] <jcoxon> the module isn't the most simple module
[19:40] <johnnyfive|work> I see, so I don't need anything between the netduino+eval board
[19:40] <jcoxon> in theory yeah
[19:40] <johnnyfive|work> I see. Hrm. So it's not just the 4 wires it needs? rx, tx, power, ground?
[19:42] <jcoxon> its pretty much it
[19:42] <johnnyfive|work> although I guess I have to set up wires for the antennas as well... thank you for being patient and answering my questions ;)
[19:43] <jcoxon> will need a few extra bits
[19:43] <johnnyfive|work> hrm see that has me worried
[19:43] <jcoxon> its not too difficult
[19:44] <jcoxon> don't worry
[19:45] <johnnyfive|work> do the antennas plug straight into the module?
[19:48] <jcoxon> yes
[19:49] <johnnyfive|work> Right. Thanks
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[19:59] <m1x10> jcoxon, breakout for fsa ?
[19:59] <johnnyfive|work> did you order the fsa already?
[20:00] <johnnyfive|work> oh you're in greece, nvm
[20:00] <m1x10> :p
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[20:00] <m1x10> I am going to order my second fsa breakout
[20:00] <johnnyfive|work> link it ;)
[20:00] <m1x10> http://www.esawdust.com/product/egps-fsa03-bkob/
[20:00] <johnnyfive|work> aha!
[20:00] <johnnyfive|work> that's what I ordered
[20:00] <johnnyfive|work> just arrived in the mail today
[20:00] <m1x10> but jcoxon said something interested
[20:01] <johnnyfive|work> about the antenna?
[20:01] <m1x10> ping jcoxon !
[20:01] <m1x10> no about breakout
[20:01] <m1x10> my antenna broke too, I was about to solder it again but i burned the smd capacitor
[20:01] <m1x10> now its totally broken
[20:01] <johnnyfive|work> dang
[20:01] <m1x10> :P
[20:02] <fsphil> could replace the smd if you've got a steady hand :)
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[20:02] <jcoxon> m1x10, i made one
[20:03] <m1x10> fsphil, bah my hands tremble a lot to do this kind of job.
[20:03] <jcoxon> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jcoxon77/4905238823/
[20:03] <m1x10> jcoxon it is very interesting
[20:03] <jcoxon> its all through hole rather then smd
[20:03] <m1x10> hmm
[20:04] <m1x10> can it be antenna friendly?
[20:04] <jcoxon> should be
[20:04] <jcoxon> fits nicely
[20:05] <m1x10> cause the main issue is the antenna
[20:07] <m1x10> have u got already an assembled?
[20:07] <jcoxon> no not yet
[20:08] <jcoxon> going to do it this evening
[20:08] <m1x10> nice, I would like to be informed!
[20:08] <jcoxon> i have never experienced the wobbly antenna issue
[20:08] <jcoxon> i've had had 3 fsa03
[20:08] <m1x10> Im to buy another one from esawdust
[20:09] <m1x10> did they ever fell down ?
[20:09] <m1x10> the gpss
[20:09] <jcoxon> nope
[20:10] <m1x10> try to drop 1-2 times
[20:11] <m1x10> then check antenna
[20:11] <m1x10> :P
[20:11] <m1x10> will u sell the breakout?
[20:11] <m1x10> or just hobbying ?
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[20:45] <m1x10> Thats my first job on IT ever: http://www.konstantinos-choco.gr
[20:45] <m1x10> its has english too
[20:45] <m1x10> web design is cool if you patience
[20:45] <m1x10> web design is cool if you are patient
[20:45] <Randomskk> so you know how
[20:45] <Randomskk> with powerpoint
[20:45] <johnnyfive|work> anyone have advice on a secondary cutoff device for HAB?
[20:46] <Randomskk> some people put animations on every single slide
[20:46] <Randomskk> and every bit of text
[20:46] <Randomskk> so everything slides, fades, twirls, blinds, etc in
[20:46] <Randomskk> and like, it looks the absolute coolest
[20:46] <Randomskk> and everyone is thinking "wow, what an incredible presentation"
[20:46] <Randomskk> and then boring people are like "your powerpoint slides should have none, if any, animations"
[20:48] <Randomskk> but like, you know better all along, m1x10
[20:48] <SpeedEvil> johnnyfive: thermite grenade.
[20:48] <SpeedEvil> johnnyfive: more seriously.
[20:49] <m1x10> Randomskk, sorry i dont get you
[20:49] <m1x10> :(
[20:49] <m1x10> Is that a comment on that website?
[20:49] <SpeedEvil> johnnyfive: I like the idea of a resistor, rated to 350C srervice temperature, with a low-temperarture melting point tape looped round it
[20:49] <Randomskk> m1x10: yes
[20:50] <johnnyfive|work> melting tape?
[20:50] <SpeedEvil> johnnyfive: turn on rated power to resistor, and as it gets to ~120C, it melts the polythene
[20:50] <johnnyfive|work> interesting
[20:50] <Randomskk> m1x10: what I really meant to say was that your language selector is broken in chrome
[20:50] <johnnyfive|work> I was thinking of just getting a laser and pointing it at the balloon
[20:50] <m1x10> Randomskk: cau u say that again in plain english plz.
[20:50] <m1x10> oh
[20:50] <fsphil> 500mw should do it :)
[20:50] <Randomskk> the rant about powerpoint was more subtle sarcasm
[20:50] <m1x10> im on crhome right now
[20:51] <m1x10> works ok
[20:51] <Randomskk> along the lines of "you have too many animations"
[20:51] <m1x10> to me
[20:51] <fsphil> m1x10, if I had one bit of advice: don't assume javascript or flash :) I get a background but nothing else
[20:51] <Randomskk> really? I'm on the latest chrome, and clicking the UK flag doesn't do anything
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[20:51] <m1x10> I never use flash. sucks.
[20:51] <Randomskk> m1x10: why exactly?
[20:52] <m1x10> only that is has to load a plugin
[20:52] <rjharrison> Evening all
[20:52] <m1x10> sucks
[20:52] <Randomskk> I mean, you can say that, but this website is just a huge load of crazy javascript and what appears to be an image for the greek text
[20:52] <Randomskk> yo rjharrison
[20:52] <fsphil> g'day rjharrison
[20:52] <rjharrison> Sorry being a bit quiet...
[20:52] <Randomskk> rjharrison: did your teenager turn up eventually?
[20:52] <rjharrison> My gran died :( SHe was 94 so good innings
[20:52] <Randomskk> :( sorry to hear that
[20:53] <SpeedEvil> :/
[20:53] <SpeedEvil> :)
[20:53] <rjharrison> Randomskk Yep eventually after getting pissed and stoned at someones house !
[20:53] <Randomskk> teenagers eh
[20:53] <fsphil> eep
[20:53] <m1x10> rjharrison :(
[20:53] <rjharrison> She was quite cool and still had her marbles
[20:53] <m1x10> Randomskk pvt plz
[20:54] <SpeedEvil> Yeah - growing old in principle does not scare me. The loss of mental faculties though.
[20:54] <rjharrison> Yep I think if you can live at home at 94 and still enjoy life then you havn't done bad
[20:55] <rjharrison> Anyhow bit off topic
[20:55] <SpeedEvil> True. Well - depending on funeral plans.
[20:56] <m1x10> 94 is really nice
[20:56] <rjharrison> She has those all in order + 4 sons to sort it our
[20:56] <rjharrison> out
[20:56] <m1x10> I mean you have lived a century..oh my!
[20:56] <rjharrison> Yep Thats what i think and she was a fantastic story teller and had a keen interest in veryones life
[20:56] <m1x10> yeah
[20:57] <m1x10> she was born in 1916
[20:57] <m1x10> man!
[20:57] <m1x10> thats back!
[20:58] <rjharrison> Yep the olden days
[20:58] <fsphil> it's amazing how much the world has changed
[20:58] <rjharrison> She can remember having one of the first cars. Her dad was a mechanic
[20:58] <Randomskk> I'd love to see what the world's like in another 75 years or so :o
[20:59] <Randomskk> I figure, that's enough time for space travel, please?
[20:59] <rjharrison> + she lives on the A4 and had a bomb land about 10 meters from the house
[20:59] <rjharrison> 2nd WW
[20:59] <fsphil> didn't go off I assume?
[21:00] <SpeedEvil> I couldn't imagine that.
[21:00] <SpeedEvil> Living on an A0 would be my absolute minimum.
[21:01] <rjharrison> fsphil yep it craked the house in half
[21:01] <Randomskk> SpeedEvil: you'd love http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/09/worlds-most-cramped-airline-seat-to-launch-next-week/ then
[21:01] <fsphil> ooch
[21:01] <rjharrison> Lets a 5m crater in the neighbours garden
[21:02] <fsphil> hehe Randomskk, that's almost as comfortable as the copenhagen suborbial rocket's seat
[21:02] <Randomskk> and without the view
[21:02] <fsphil> coming soon to ryanair...
[21:03] <Randomskk> but like, it's so tight that on the diagram, one person's legs intersect the seat in front
[21:03] <SpeedEvil> Jesus.
[21:03] <Randomskk> (that's where there are holes in the seat in front to fit your knees)
[21:03] <Randomskk> you are half standing for the duration of the flight
[21:03] <fsphil> at this rate, it's going to be easier to /walk/ there
[21:03] <SpeedEvil> There are two exits from the plane.
[21:03] <fsphil> unless there is across water
[21:03] <rjharrison> this is gran and last year I managed to record her life http://www.robertharrison.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=21&Itemid=57
[21:03] <Randomskk> I'm not sure why they don't just drug everyone and stack the bodies at this point
[21:03] <SpeedEvil> The normal exit, and the one for passengers dying of DVT.
[21:04] <rjharrison> I have the raw audio and I need to finish the editiing
[21:05] <Randomskk> also that woman is clearly using more than her fair share of armrest
[21:05] <rjharrison> Yep
[21:08] <rjharrison> how is habhub doing
[21:08] <rjharrison> any progress or are we still in the planning stage?
[21:09] <Randomskk> well
[21:09] <Randomskk> there is some code
[21:09] <rjharrison> ...
[21:09] <rjharrison> oooh
[21:09] <m1x10> haha
[21:09] <Randomskk> it is now habitat
[21:09] <Randomskk> well, the project is
[21:09] <Randomskk> habhub is still the server
[21:09] <Randomskk> http://github.com/ukhas/habitat
[21:10] <Randomskk> http://github.com/ukhas/habitat/wiki/Getting-Started
[21:10] <Randomskk> http://ci.habhub.org/habitat-develop
[21:10] <Randomskk> http://github.com/ukhas/habitat/blob/develop/docs/plan/jobs.md is a top level overview of things that need doing and what skills you need for them
[21:11] <Randomskk> hmm. could do with some styling on the skills. it's a bit better in the html
[21:11] <Randomskk> http://habhub.org/files/plan/jobs.html
[21:11] <Randomskk> http://github.com/ukhas/habitat/wiki/New-Feature-Guide
[21:13] <Randomskk> so since you last heard, more planning happened
[21:13] <Randomskk> and other things got set up
[21:13] <Randomskk> and wikis written, a continuous integration server set up, the main git repo set up, and a bit of code
[21:13] <Randomskk> but the first code was like, saturday night, so
[21:13] <Randomskk> well sunday night really. for 'code'.
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[21:17] <rjharrison> wow just had a read well a lot of planning has been done
[21:17] <rjharrison> I'm impressed
[21:18] <Randomskk> it just looks like that. really most of this was thrown together last night
[21:18] <Randomskk> there has been a lot of planning though
[21:18] <rjharrison> Yep I really liked the documentation
[21:18] <Randomskk> we have some exciting new ideas for the message pipeline too. python generators are really awesome
[21:19] <rjharrison> Cool they sound it
[21:19] <Randomskk> we've also worked out the model we'll use for git. and stuff like that.
[21:19] <Randomskk> so we have kind of a procedure for writing code and getting it put into mainstream
[21:19] <Randomskk> also if you join #habhub, github notifications go there when code is pushed to ukhas/habitat, and also after each push the CI server grabs the code and runs its tests, then reports to IRC if the build succeded/failed
[21:20] <Randomskk> (as well as updating the website, http://ci.habhub.org )
[21:21] <Randomskk> so various things are ready to rock
[21:21] <m1x10> gnite all
[21:22] <Randomskk> still need a bit of direction as to where we focus the initial efforts and a bit more planning on how we integrate the generator concept in
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[21:22] <Randomskk> night
[21:22] <Randomskk> shame he didn't get what I meant about powerpoint
[21:22] <rjharrison> Yep but looking very good
[21:22] <Randomskk> rjharrison: with things like the docs, I write that for myself as much as anything - I keep referring to the guide for specific incantations etc to check I'm remembering it right
[21:22] <rjharrison> I'll committ at some point do doing a small bit somewhere
[21:22] <fsphil> he will eventually, Randomskk. I hope
[21:23] <Randomskk> fsphil: one can only hope
[21:23] <Randomskk> rjharrison: cool. wherever you want really, though hopefully soon it'l be more obvious where bits of work can be done. at the moment there's not much structure for anything else to tie in to
[21:23] <rjharrison> I'm quite busy with HAB on an educational level ATM
[21:23] <Randomskk> yea, fair enough
[21:24] <Randomskk> hopefully we can have something exciting and new working for kids at some point
[21:24] <rjharrison> Going to be some commercial launches soon and off to Germany in November on the back of HAB
[21:24] <Randomskk> nice nice
[21:24] <SpeedEvil> Great.
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[21:27] <rjharrison> LazyLeopard I have a slide deck if you would like some inspiration
[21:28] <LazyLeopard> Thanks. My main problem's knowing how many slides I actually need. I don't usually give long presentations, but this one's an exception.
[21:29] <rjharrison> http://www.robertharrison.org/svn/filedetails.php?repname=the-icarus-project&path=%2Ftalks%2FThe+Icarus+Project+-+No+vid.ppt
[21:29] <rjharrison> If you want it
[21:30] <rjharrison> HAB takes me anything from 30 mins to 2 hours depending on what you want in it
[21:30] <rjharrison> Setting off pyros is a good way to keep people awake
[21:30] <LazyLeopard> Heh!
[21:30] <fsphil> as part of the talk, or just randomly? :)
[21:30] <rjharrison> I'm doing a talk for the Royal Meterological Society
[21:30] <rjharrison> fsphil as part of the talk :)
[21:31] <rjharrison> though it did go wrong once an blew the lid off the container into the air and scared the poo out of me
[21:32] <LazyLeopard> The one I'm supposed tobe giving is on radio astronomy rather than HAB, but the last time I gave a presentation this long I used an OHP and acetates...
[21:32] <rjharrison> hehe
[21:32] <rjharrison> The good old stuff
[21:33] <LazyLeopard> ...and half the slides got drawn during the talk. ;)
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[21:51] <johnnyfive|work> anyone have advice on a loud buzzer for a HAB project to help find it once it's landed?
[21:52] <Randomskk> just get a normal DC buzzer thing
[21:52] <Randomskk> little square box. runs off a few volts
[21:53] <Randomskk> it's not super loud. if you want super loud it's going to suck battery and piss people off, so...
[21:53] <Randomskk> radio directional finding is probably more sensible
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[21:58] <johnnyfive|work> want somet loud just *in case* it gets lost/rf stops working
[21:58] <johnnyfive|work> and on the off-change someone is walking nearby
[21:58] <johnnyfive|work> put it on a chirp every 5 minutes or so
[21:58] <johnnyfive|work> chance*
[21:58] <Randomskk> normal buzzers are reasonably loud. proper sirens are more complicated to drive and heavy and stuff
[21:59] <johnnyfive|work> I see. Alrighty
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[22:13] <rjharrison> One of the funnier emails I got recently http://www.robertharrison.org/images/movingout1.png
[22:15] <Randomskk> oh, facebook
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