highaltitude.log.20100828

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[00:19] <juxta|console> ping DanielRichman
[00:19] <DanielRichman> hi there
[00:19] <juxta|console> hey :)
[00:20] <juxta|console> sorry to bug you so late, was just going to ask something re CHDK
[00:20] <DanielRichman> go for it. I'm still awake
[00:20] <juxta|console> is it possible to have a script automatically run once CHDK boots?
[00:20] <DanielRichman> yes
[00:20] <DanielRichman> you have to set it up from within chdk's menu
[00:20] <DanielRichman> iirc
[00:20] <Randomskk> hey so on the burst calc I am adding the launch volume so you know how much helium to buy
[00:20] <Randomskk> can anyone think of anything else
[00:20] <Randomskk> burst alt, ascent rate, time to burst, neck lift
[00:20] <juxta|console> good idea Randomskk
[00:21] <Randomskk> that's five but six would be better
[00:21] <Randomskk> thoughts?
[00:21] <Randomskk> or I could just put launch volume in m³ and like whatever shit metric unit the yanks use
[00:21] <Randomskk> what do you buy helium in?
[00:21] <juxta|console> DanielRichman: okay, great - regarding booting CHDK automatically, the CHDK wiki seems a bit inconsistent - some pages say you can't auto boot on a card larger than 4gb?
[00:21] <juxta|console> cubic m or cubic feet
[00:22] <Randomskk> litre = m³ right?
[00:22] <juxta|console> no
[00:22] <Randomskk> balls
[00:22] <juxta|console> 1000L = 1m^3
[00:22] <Randomskk> obviously
[00:22] <Randomskk> that was a stupid thing to say
[00:22] <Randomskk> yup
[00:22] <Randomskk> so you buy helium in litres it seems
[00:22] <Randomskk> anything else? cubic feet?
[00:22] <juxta|console> cubic feet is the american way
[00:24] <DanielRichman> juxta|console: you can but you have to do some interesting formatting
[00:24] <DanielRichman> juxta|console: the auto load on startup is achieved by setting the lock switch on teh card (d/w, chdk unlocks it once it's started)
[00:24] <juxta|console> yeah - a small boot partition with a larger data partition
[00:24] <DanielRichman> that's some sort of hardware hack by canon to load stuff from the card
[00:25] <juxta|console> this 8gb card is still giving me issues, I think I'll just buy a 4gb card today and be done with it
[00:27] <DanielRichman> I did this:
[00:27] <DanielRichman> http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/FAQ#Q._How_do_I_get_CHDK_onto_my_camera.27s_SD_memory_card.3F
[00:27] <DanielRichman> and this
[00:27] <DanielRichman> http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/Bootable_SD_card#Linux:
[00:28] <juxta|console> pretty much what I'm trying to do - except my SD card is no longer working on my pc, though it works fine on the camera
[00:28] <DanielRichman> O/S?
[00:28] <juxta|console> [ 1806.325184] sdg: unknown partition table
[00:28] <juxta|console> ubuntu
[00:28] <DanielRichman> gparted?
[00:29] <juxta|console> gparted/fdisk, neither will read it
[00:29] <DanielRichman> make a new partition table then
[00:29] <DanielRichman> unless there's data on that disk you want
[00:29] <juxta|console> tried that, as soon as I eject and reinsert the card it's gone
[00:29] <DanielRichman> are there any errors in dmesg accompanying "unknown partition table
[00:29] <DanielRichman> ie. suggesting that the flash is borked?
[00:29] <juxta|console> nope, just that
[00:30] <juxta|console> it was working OK yesterday, but now it feels like giving me hassles
[00:30] <DanielRichman> when you say you "tried that" and eject/reinsert, did you do the "echo -n BOOTDISK | dd bs=1 count=8 seek=64 of=/dev/sdx1" step?
[00:30] <DanielRichman> does it even work still as a SD card (irrelevant of wehther you can use it to CHDK)
[00:31] <DanielRichman> if it's a SDHC you need a SDHC reader
[00:31] <DanielRichman> ((though that should cause it to just not read at all, rather than give the above error))
[00:32] <juxta|console> I was about to suggest the SDHC issue - but it's odd, as it would at least let me read it last night (it is an SDHC card)
[00:32] <DanielRichman> when I was working on the sd protocol for alien#1 I got the impression that a sd reader should totally fail to read a sdhc
[00:32] <DanielRichman> rather than sort of partly-succeed
[00:33] <Randomskk> http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~cuspaceflight/calc/
[00:33] <Randomskk> done
[00:33] <Randomskk> and pushed to ukhas github fork, too
[00:33] <juxta|console> hmm
[00:33] <DanielRichman> though it's possible that the reading it you experienced yesterday was infact the kernel buffering data?
[00:33] <Randomskk> by pushed I mean I clicked fork queue and clicked apply
[00:33] <Randomskk> much much nicer than pushing
[00:33] <DanielRichman> what would happen if you ejected & reinsrted?
[00:33] <Randomskk> it's a bloody lot of litres
[00:33] <DanielRichman> s/what would happen /could you still read it yesterday /
[00:33] <juxta|console> I actually had some success yesterday - I put CHDK on the card and it worked in the camera
[00:33] <juxta|console> but I hadnt set the bootable flag at that point
[00:34] <DanielRichman> so what's changed? unless the sd card flash has been fried overnight
[00:34] <DanielRichman> the rest is just software and making a new partiton table is starting fresh over
[00:34] <juxta|console> I have 3 readers - 2 flat out refuse to read the SDHC, this third one worked, but is no longer cooperating
[00:35] <juxta|console> nothing's changed so far as I can tell, the camera can still format the card and use it to store photos
[00:37] <DanielRichman> and if the camera formats the disk and stores photos, do changes made on the computer persist between ejects and inserts?
[00:37] <juxta|console> no
[00:37] <juxta|console> but they do make the card unreadable in camera
[00:37] <juxta|console> requiring another format through the camera firmware
[00:38] <natrium42> did you try barrel rolls?
[00:39] <DanielRichman> that is not good.
[00:39] <juxta|console> that's next on the menu natrium42
[00:39] <natrium42> :)
[00:39] <juxta|console> I'll get hold of an actual sdhc readier DanielRichman
[00:40] <DanielRichman> do you have any tiny or cruddy 128mb sd cards lying around that arn't sdhc jsut to play with?
[00:40] <juxta|console> this one is a cheap unmarked thing
[00:40] <juxta|console> yeah, all my <2gb cards work just fine in the reader & camera
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[00:47] <DanielRichman> juxta|console: well have you tried making chdk auto-bootable on one of those
[00:47] <DanielRichman> and even though you don't have to, you could try partitioning it fat16 fat32 as the guide does
[00:47] <DanielRichman> just to show that you can
[00:52] <juxta|console> DanielRichman: good idea - will try it
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[00:53] <DanielRichman> juxta|console: good luck ;) I'm going to sleep
[00:53] <juxta|console> partitioning worked just fine :)
[00:54] <juxta|console> thanks DanielRichman, catchya later
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[00:58] <juxta|console> incase you're still there DanielRichman - works perfectly with the 2gb card. will def. try with an SDHC reader :)
[00:58] <SpeedEvil> Woo!
[00:58] <SpeedEvil> :)
[01:00] <juxta|console> now I just need a working card reader SpeedEvil :)
[01:01] <natrium42> juxta|console, is launch still on?
[01:02] Action: SpeedEvil sighs.
[01:02] <SpeedEvil> I need a working fucking internet.
[01:02] <SpeedEvil> It's decided to retrain to 128K
[01:02] <SpeedEvil> And 3G isn't fast enough for the stream I want.
[01:03] <SpeedEvil> meh.
[01:04] <SpeedEvil> I need to get myu scope hooked up and the linux downloader for it, and some ffrt goodness to see if I can find what the interference is
[01:07] <juxta|console> natrium42: sure is
[01:08] <natrium42> cool, good luck
[01:08] <juxta|console> just pulled in the GFS data a little while ago :)
[01:08] <juxta|console> cheers natrium42
[01:08] <juxta|console> will you be about in a little while?
[01:08] <natrium42> yeah
[01:09] <juxta|console> alrighty, will jump on irc at the launch site
[01:09] <natrium42> 3UTC is 10pm here
[01:09] <juxta|console> oh nice, not too bad then :)
[01:09] <natrium42> kk
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[03:57] <juxta> ping natrium42
[03:57] <juxta> balloon is tethered up on a string ready to go :)
[03:58] <natrium42> coo
[03:58] <natrium42> l+l
[03:58] <natrium42> good luck!
[03:58] <juxta> :)
[03:58] <juxta> longest train ever
[03:58] <juxta> we have huge separation between the repeater and telemetry packages
[03:58] <juxta> i would say the train is close to 100m
[03:58] <natrium42> wow
[03:58] <juxta> getting some photos
[03:58] <natrium42> why did you decide to do that?
[03:59] <juxta> dont want the tx from the flying repeater to wipe out telemtry
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[04:19] <juxta> ok, lsaunch time
[04:20] <natrium42> shall i clear the balloon positions?
[04:21] <natrium42> nvm
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[04:31] <juxta> repeater is working great, have contacts from several hundred kilometres away
[04:32] <natrium42> yay
[04:32] <natrium42> interesting corner
[04:32] <natrium42> how were the ground winds?
[04:34] <juxta> ground winds were nill
[04:34] <juxta> made for an easy launch
[04:34] <natrium42> :)
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[05:32] <natrium42> hmm, web tracker got out of hand with getting predictions
[05:32] <natrium42> i fixed it, so just refresh spacenear.us/tracker
[05:34] <earthshine> morning
[05:34] <natrium42> hi earthshine
[05:34] <earthshine> hey
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[05:37] <natrium42> about 1 hour till burst
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[05:46] <natrium42> g'nite
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[05:54] <earthshine> there is a balloon up?
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[07:23] <m1x10> good morning to all :)
[07:25] <m1x10> oh, new balloon?
[07:30] <Hiena> On progress. Big one, around 10 meter diameter.
[07:33] <m1x10> the Horus?
[07:35] <Hiena> Nope. Solar balloon for drop tests.
[07:35] <m1x10> :)
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[07:37] <Hiena> It was started around 1.5 years ago, and now i got "notification" from the family to clean up the mess.
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[07:57] <jcoxon> morning all
[08:01] <jcoxon> looks like a good flight from Horus 6
[08:02] <m1x10> yeah
[08:02] <m1x10> does it have cameras on it?
[08:02] <jcoxon> wish i could of heard the repeater on board
[08:03] <jcoxon> i think it just carried a 2m repeater and a 70cm tracker
[08:03] <jcoxon> http://projecthorus.org/
[08:03] <jcoxon> m1x10, there is a launch in the states later today
[08:03] <jcoxon> then another launch in australia tomorrow morning
[08:03] <m1x10> cool
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[08:18] <jonsowman> bye zeusbot :(
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[08:19] <jcoxon> new zeusbot - hooray
[08:20] <jonsowman> :D
[08:22] <jonsowman> hehe
[08:28] <m1x10> I got a question
[08:28] <m1x10> in my payload I wont have something to save my data
[08:28] <m1x10> if in case the aprs fails and i dont have my telemetry
[08:28] <m1x10> how can i get my highest alitutdE?
[08:29] <m1x10> at least when i recover the payload
[08:30] <jonsowman> well you can't really
[08:30] <m1x10> to know how far it have beeen
[08:30] <jonsowman> unless you implement code to watch altitude and save the maximum
[08:30] <jcoxon> arduino onboard eeprom?
[08:30] <m1x10> yeah
[08:31] <jcoxon> if altitude > last_max_altitude
[08:31] <jcoxon> sort of thing
[08:31] <m1x10> I have half eeprom empty
[08:31] <m1x10> yeah that i was thinking
[08:31] <jcoxon> you are only saving a long int or float
[08:31] <m1x10> yeah
[08:32] <m1x10> basically i will save time+coords
[08:32] <jcoxon> horus 6 went high
[08:32] <m1x10> so to combine with the time of the camera
[08:32] <m1x10> and know what was the highest pic
[08:32] <jcoxon> oh right - i see yeah
[08:33] <m1x10> :)
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[08:33] <m1x10> so eeprom is the best
[08:33] <m1x10> i have 512 bytes left :)
[08:33] <jcoxon> m1x10, well without adding anything new
[08:35] <m1x10> why?
[08:35] <m1x10> eeprom permits thousands of writes...
[08:36] <jcoxon> i know
[08:36] <m1x10> in a balloon flight it could be nothing more than a thousand
[08:36] <jcoxon> i'm saying its the best thing without adding a new piece of hardware
[08:36] <jcoxon> such as an sd card
[08:36] <m1x10> aaaaa
[08:36] <m1x10> sure
[08:36] <m1x10> i canceled my sd shield options
[08:37] <m1x10> i wanted more simple
[08:37] <m1x10> What else could be important so that to write it on eeprom ?
[08:40] <fsphil> morning all -- did juxta fly last night, or is that tonight?
[08:40] <jcoxon> yeah
[08:40] <jcoxon> flown
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[08:45] <fsphil_> bah, mobile internet sucks
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[08:52] <kladol> hi
[08:54] <jcoxon> hi kladol
[08:57] <m1x10> hey kladol
[08:58] <Darkside> hmm
[08:58] <Darkside> how did the project horus launch go today?
[08:59] <jcoxon> Darkside, looking on http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[08:59] <jcoxon> it went well
[08:59] <jcoxon> and apparently the repeater worked as well
[08:59] <Darkside> cool
[09:01] <fsphil> loading the website-- slowly :)
[09:01] <Darkside> im gonna try some dodgyness with my scanner tomorrow, sincd i dont have a 400MHz SSB receiver
[09:01] <fsphil> ah they haven't updated the site yet
[09:01] <Darkside> i recon try and get the IF out and put it into my HF receiver
[09:01] <fsphil> 400mhz?
[09:01] <fsphil> oh, 70cm :p
[09:02] <Darkside> 433MHz
[09:02] <Darkside> :P
[09:02] <fsphil> it's early in the morning, leave me alone *g*
[09:03] <Darkside> lol
[09:03] <Darkside> 6:30pm here
[09:03] <fsphil> you really are on the darkside
[09:04] <Darkside> :D
[09:04] <Darkside> haha
[09:04] <fsphil> well, for the next 12 hours or so anyway :)
[09:04] <Darkside> back in a sec
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[09:09] <Darkside> hmm
[09:10] <Darkside> better get back to work
[09:10] <m1x10> hehe
[09:23] <m1x10> Who has experience with rockets here? I need some info.
[09:37] <jcoxon> grrrr i hate broadband and the fact that i can only get an engineer between 4 and 7
[09:40] <m1x10> sparkfun is looking to hire two ITs.
[09:40] <m1x10> maybe someone is interested in US
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[09:44] <jcoxon> W0OTM, good luck with your launch
[09:57] <jcoxon> anyone used WSPR on here?
[10:04] <Darkside> nope
[10:04] <Darkside> but i've been considering implementing it for my HF telemetry system project
[10:04] <jcoxon> just trying to understand the legalities
[10:04] <jcoxon> basically you are running a beacon
[10:05] <Darkside> yeah im not sure how that works
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[10:22] <juxta_> hi all
[10:22] <jcoxon> hey juxta_
[10:22] <jcoxon> how did it go
[10:22] <jcoxon> ?
[10:22] <juxta_> excellently!
[10:22] <jcoxon> amazing
[10:22] <jcoxon> get any recordings of the repeater in use?
[10:22] <juxta_> the repeater was awesome
[10:22] <juxta_> I hope so, I will ask around
[10:23] <jcoxon> track looked good on spacenear.us
[10:23] Action: jcoxon likes it when the dl-fldigi/tracker system works
[10:23] <juxta_> we got contacts over perhaps 1500km diameter
[10:23] <juxta_> on the repater that is
[10:23] <jcoxon> wow
[10:24] <juxta_> trouble was we had so many points on the tracker it became very slow
[10:24] <juxta_> 9000 points plotted
[10:24] <jcoxon> yeah, thats quite a push
[10:24] <jcoxon> natrium has sped it up from back in the day
[10:25] <jcoxon> i think if you zoom out it'll plot less points on the map itself
[10:25] <jcoxon> but you still need to get all the points
[10:26] <juxta_> worked very well though!
[10:26] <juxta_> longest balloon train ever, hehe
[10:26] <jcoxon> hehe
[10:26] <juxta_> perhaps 100m on the train
[10:26] <juxta_> tomorrow is the camera payload
[10:27] <jcoxon> great
[10:27] <jcoxon> juxta_, i'm going to remove the car points from the map but leave the flight path
[10:27] <juxta_> jcoxon - we got an awesome altitude - 34km
[10:27] <jcoxon> so that when wb8elk launches he'll be second
[10:27] <jcoxon> then horus 7 will be third
[10:28] <juxta_> that was with a 1000g balloon and about 1000g payload
[10:28] <jcoxon> wow
[10:28] <juxta_> yeah
[10:28] <juxta_> looks like these chinese balloons might not be so bad
[10:28] <juxta_> clean burst too
[10:28] <jcoxon> oh cool a chinese one
[10:28] <juxta_> never had that before with the totex/kaymont
[10:28] <juxta_> will fly another tomorrow
[10:28] <Darkside> hey jux
[10:28] <Darkside> juxta_:
[10:28] <juxta_> just about to have some dinner - will chat to you in a while
[10:29] <juxta_> hey Darkside :)
[10:29] <jcoxon> juxta_, what was the predicted burst?
[10:29] <juxta_> dinner - havent eaten much all day, back soon :P
[10:29] <juxta_> 31000
[10:29] <Darkside> got a track?
[10:29] <Darkside> or a link to one lol
[10:29] <jcoxon> so sounds like they are better quality
[10:29] <juxta_> Darkside: spacenear.us/tracker
[10:29] <Darkside> aha
[10:29] <juxta_> will take a while to load
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[10:29] <juxta_> ok - back shortly
[10:30] <m1x10> juxta_ where do u get the chinese balloons?
[10:30] <m1x10> have a good launch
[10:30] <Darkside> man i wish i had a radio to receive it..
[10:30] <Darkside> or a car to chase it
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[10:51] <Randomskk> :O only 35 hours away from HR5568
[10:57] <Randomskk> are we actually allowed 100% duty cycle on the 434mhz modules? the only license note I can find says 10%
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[11:48] <juxta_> Darkside
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[12:30] <Darkside> hey
[12:30] <Darkside> juxta-:
[12:31] <juxta-> Darkside, PM
[12:31] <Darkside> ahh yep i see
[12:31] <Darkside> do you normally not have a navigator? :/
[12:32] <juxta-> yea i do, but he is busy tomorrow
[12:32] <Darkside> ahh
[12:33] <Darkside> i am free tomorrow...
[12:34] <juxta-> just driving home right now, want to give me a call in about half an hour and we can sort it out
[12:34] <Darkside> cool
[12:34] <Darkside> where is ome?
[12:34] <Darkside> home*
[12:34] <Darkside> actually what your callsign, i'll work out the rest :P
[12:35] <juxta-> callsign is vk5vzi
[12:35] <juxta-> i can pick you up tomorrow
[12:36] <Darkside> hah, i just found your info :D
[12:36] <Darkside> ACMA database ftw
[12:36] <Darkside> and ok - i'm in Kensington Gardens btw
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[13:05] <Darkside> craaaaaaap
[13:06] <Darkside> closed the tab with juxta's mobile number in it
[13:06] <Darkside> anyne have it?
[13:07] <DanielRichman> ctrl+shift+t
[13:07] <Darkside> DanielRichman: irssi
[13:08] <Darkside> and by tab i mean irssi window :P
[13:08] <DanielRichman> you're not keeping logs?
[13:08] <Randomskk> ~/irclogs
[13:08] <Darkside> and i don't keep logs
[13:08] <DanielRichman> shame on you
[13:08] <Randomskk> foolish move, evidently :P
[13:08] <DanielRichman> you clearly haven't had the irc-log-epeen discusson
[13:08] <Darkside> heh
[13:08] <Darkside> im in a few channels which shouldn't ever be logged
[13:09] <Randomskk> 187MB of irssi logs
[13:09] <JackNorris> Then clearly what you need is a better memory ;)
[13:09] <Darkside> JackNorris: :P
[13:09] <DanielRichman> 5.1Mb here
[13:09] <Randomskk> DanielRichman: I think I win
[13:09] <DanielRichman> how do you have so much crap?
[13:09] <Randomskk> god knows
[13:09] <DanielRichman> perhaps I should import all of zeusbot's logs to make me feel bigger
[13:09] <Randomskk> ten channels, some are more active than others, and it goes back a year or two
[13:09] <Randomskk> also irssi has been always on for ages
[13:10] <Darkside> Randomskk: irssi for debian doesnt seem to have ligging on by default
[13:10] <Randomskk> not by default, I don't think
[13:10] <Randomskk> but it's really very easy to turn on
[13:10] <Darkside> heh
[13:10] <Randomskk> I'd put datestamps into your logs too if i were you
[13:11] <Darkside> i don't plan on turning it on :P
[13:11] <Darkside> well, if i can disable logging on certain channels easily then i might..
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[13:14] <Darkside> juxta_: speak of the devil
[13:14] <juxta_> hey Darkside :)
[13:14] <Darkside> i managed to close the irssi window with your mobile number in..
[13:14] <juxta_> just got home
[13:14] <juxta_> haha
[13:14] <juxta_> will pm you again
[13:15] <Darkside> cool
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[13:31] <juxta_> hey jcoxon
[13:31] <jcoxon> hi juxta_
[13:32] <juxta_> there's a map of the contacts made today up on areg.org.au
[13:32] <juxta_> will pop it on the blog in a while
[13:32] <Randomskk> all I see on that site is a WAV
[13:32] <Randomskk> it's quite short too
[13:33] <juxta_> hmm that's odd
[13:33] <juxta_> www.areg.org.au
[13:33] <juxta_> don't know why the WWW A record doesnt match ;p
[13:33] <juxta_> or maybe a virtualhost, who knows
[13:33] <Randomskk> nice map
[13:34] <juxta_> it was incredibly successful - as was the chinese balloon
[13:34] Action: jcoxon hopes that randomsolutions might stock them
[13:35] <jcoxon> juxta_, if they are better 'quality' perhaps you could get a sneeky alt record
[13:35] <juxta_> I'll fly another tomorrow
[13:35] <juxta_> yeah
[13:35] <juxta_> I have a 2kg balloon here :)
[13:35] <jcoxon> if weather on your side go for very slow ascent
[13:35] <juxta_> yeah - will wait til the weather is just right
[13:36] <juxta_> tomorrow will have to be 5ms or so, otherwise we'll be driving all day
[13:36] <juxta_> got the car bogged today too, woohoo
[13:36] <juxta_> but saw the payload coming down in the field :)
[13:36] <jcoxon> :-)
[13:37] <Randomskk> oh, nice
[13:37] Action: jcoxon now understands why his broadband doesn't work - the wiring in the house is terrible
[13:38] <Darkside> juxta_: areg map is cool
[13:39] <juxta_> yeah, vk5zbr did that
[13:39] <Darkside> i should have let my dad know about it...
[13:39] <juxta_> we plan to fly the repeater again :)
[13:40] <juxta_> we also want to set up a big screen and deocding gear down at the launch site to act as mission control for next time ;p
[13:40] <jcoxon> haha
[13:40] <juxta_> they were managing everything today jcoxon, it was a real handful
[13:41] <juxta_> so many people getting on the repeater, as it's simplex they had to manage it and grant permission to talk etc
[13:41] <juxta_> plus making contact with us and others through the various repeaters and on HF
[13:41] <juxta_> amazingly they held contact through the balloon repeater down til about 400m
[13:42] <jcoxon> sounds very cool
[13:42] <jcoxon> good clean track on spacenear.us
[13:43] <juxta_> I'll double check to make sure it logged on SD in the payload then clear the tracker
[13:43] <juxta_> the 9000 points will only slow things down for others :)
[13:43] <Randomskk> we should be able to archive what's on the tracker
[13:43] <Randomskk> I mean in a long term should sense
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[13:43] <jcoxon> well it sort of is archived
[13:43] <Randomskk> "sort of" :P
[13:43] <jcoxon> the listener server has a copy
[13:43] <jcoxon> the tracker doesn't keep a copy though
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[13:43] <Randomskk> yea
[13:44] <jcoxon> for reasons of speed etc
[13:45] <jcoxon> right time to get back to working out why the tv isn't working
[13:45] <juxta_> hurrah, new sd card reader and everything is working
[13:45] <jcoxon> will be back for ~4.30 for the WB8ELK launch
[13:46] <m1x10> if i wire two batteries in parallel I get both voltage and capacity increased?
[13:46] <jcoxon> if it wasn't for hte 9000 points it would be fun to keep the track on
[13:46] <juxta_> no, just capacity m1x10
[13:46] <jcoxon> bbiab
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[13:46] <m1x10> in serial I get voltage, in parallel capacity then ?
[13:46] <juxta_> yes
[13:46] <m1x10> ok
[13:47] <m1x10> there must be some king a law about this? do u know the name ?
[13:47] <Darkside> i dunno if theres a law
[13:47] <m1x10> or its like capacitors in serial/parallel laws?
[13:48] <Darkside> its just......
[13:48] <Darkside> well
[13:48] <Darkside> i dunno how else to explain it, but you just know it
[13:48] <Darkside> lol
[13:48] <m1x10> lol
[13:48] <Darkside> though i guess the link could be made to capacitors if you like
[13:49] <Darkside> put two capacitors in parallel and the capacitance is the sum of each capacitors capacitance
[13:49] <m1x10> any website that shows how to wire 2 bats in parallel ?
[13:49] <m1x10> yeah Darkside
[13:49] <Darkside> m1x10: positive to positive, negative to negative
[13:49] <Darkside> nothing hard about it
[13:50] <m1x10> wire from 1st positive pole to 2nd positive pole?
[13:50] <m1x10> and the same for negative
[13:50] <m1x10> ?
[13:51] <juxta_> Randomskk, have you used CHDK? if so, got a script on hand to just take photos every few secs? :D
[13:51] <Randomskk> afraid not
[13:51] <juxta_> oh well
[13:51] <m1x10> juxta_ I have it
[13:51] <juxta_> oh nice
[13:51] <m1x10> wait to send u the site
[13:51] <juxta_> thanks :)
[13:51] <m1x10> http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/UBASIC/Scripts:_Ultra_Intervalometer
[13:52] <m1x10> I used it and works perfect
[13:52] <m1x10> tracked the moon's moving on sky one night
[13:53] <m1x10> and then u make it as a movie
[13:53] <m1x10> pretty funny
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[13:54] <juxta_> excellent, will pop it on in a moment :)
[13:54] <m1x10> :)
[13:54] <m1x10> juxta_ if u need more to ask join #chdk here on freenode
[13:55] <m1x10> im always there
[13:56] <juxta_> thanks :)
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[14:10] <LA3QMA> hmm 1296.945 is QRV with 18W beaming south :o)
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[14:16] <Darkside> i wish i had a 18-200mm lens..
[14:16] <Darkside> would come in handy tomorrow :P
[14:16] <Randomskk> that's quite a range
[14:16] <Randomskk> take like an 18-55 and a 55-200
[14:16] <Randomskk> easier to get your hands on I'd have thought
[14:16] <Darkside> well thats what i have :P
[14:17] <Randomskk> ah :P
[14:17] <Randomskk> yes, same
[14:17] <Darkside> i've been planning on getting sa 18-200 for a while
[14:17] <Darkside> about $800 tho
[14:17] <Randomskk> well 17-85 and 55-250 but hey
[14:17] <Randomskk> they are costly things
[14:17] <Randomskk> the 17-85 is really nice
[14:17] <Darkside> i do have a 300 and 500 prime
[14:17] <Randomskk> not as nice as my 60 macro though
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[14:17] <Darkside> 500 prime is fun to play with, but tbh its not that good
[14:18] <Darkside> fixed aperture (f8) and its very hard to focus it
[14:18] <Darkside> and zero depth of field
[14:19] <Randomskk> at 500 I can imagine
[14:20] <Darkside> im uploading a picture from it..
[14:20] <Darkside> still, its fun :)
[14:20] <Darkside> the 300 prime is a bit more usable
[14:21] <Darkside> http://imgur.com/Nkoq8
[14:21] <juxta> nice Darkside
[14:21] <juxta> :D
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[14:21] <Randomskk> pretty nice results though
[14:21] <Darkside> thats taken about 1.5km from the plane
[14:21] <Randomskk> you can really see the jet exhausts
[14:22] <juxta> I had an 18-200 a while ago
[14:22] <juxta> a sigma one, wasn't too impressed with it
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[14:22] <Darkside> heh
[14:23] <Darkside> i want to get a nikon VR
[14:23] <juxta> m1x10, can you disable the flash and display in the CHDK script?
[14:23] <m1x10> what?
[14:23] <Upu> what you want is this http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EF-400mm-f-2.8-L-IS-USM-Lens-Review.aspx
[14:23] <Upu> beastie
[14:23] <m1x10> disable the flash from cam setting
[14:24] <Darkside> Upu: one problem - Canon :
[14:24] <Darkside> :P
[14:24] <Darkside> http://imgur.com/ql1b5 theres another pic showing distance compression
[14:24] <m1x10> there are tips to disable the lcd but varies too much. I dont have anything like that.
[14:24] <Upu> I like Canon but I'm not getting into a Canon Nikon argument its like Linux Windows
[14:24] <Darkside> Upu: yeah
[14:24] <Darkside> i only got nikon because i had lenses avsailable to me
[14:25] <Upu> same with me and Canon
[14:25] <Darkside> my dad used to be a professional photographer for BHP
[14:25] <Upu> and I've never used a Nikon :)
[14:25] <m1x10> I set from cam menu to switch off the lcd after 10 secs
[14:25] <Randomskk> Upu: yes, the canon nikon argument is exactly like linux windows
[14:25] <Randomskk> the former is better, both cases :P
[14:25] <Darkside> hahahahahah
[14:25] <Upu> haha
[14:25] <juxta> m1x10, good idea, I'll do that
[14:26] <Upu> Well I have a XUS700 here
[14:26] <Upu> IXUS
[14:26] <Darkside> <-- Nikon D5000
[14:26] <m1x10> Upu, do know things about rockets?
[14:26] <Randomskk> but in all seriousness I have canon because my dad had canon lenses
[14:26] <Randomskk> nikons are nice too
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[14:26] <Upu> m1x10 no it's on my list :)
[14:26] <Upu> you have to spin them and point them upwards I understand
[14:26] <m1x10> ok Upu
[14:26] <Upu> :)
[14:26] <Darkside> no no no, you point them at the nearest person
[14:27] <Darkside> thats how you get the best result..
[14:27] <Upu> EDL are kicking off in Bradford
[14:28] <Upu> they've already smashed up 3 coaches and thrown things at the police, obviously their definition of peaceful protest differs from mine
[14:35] <Darkside> hmm should go to bed soon..
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[14:45] <juxta> ping DanielRichman
[14:49] <DanielRichman> hi
[14:49] <DanielRichman> juxta: pong
[14:49] <juxta> hey there
[14:50] <juxta> just wanted to let you know I got hold of another SD reader and all works as it should :)
[14:50] <DanielRichman> :) cool
[14:50] <DanielRichman> the sd card reader that sort of half worked half didn't is bad and doesn't conform to spec
[14:50] <DanielRichman> if you put a sdhc card in an sd reader afaik it should gracefully totally fail
[14:50] <juxta> yeah
[14:50] <DanielRichman> not half work
[14:50] <juxta> heh
[14:51] <DanielRichman> I imagine the reads & writes you experienced were fake/just kernel buffering
[14:51] <juxta> now i'm just setting up a script for the a560
[14:51] <DanielRichman> hence an eject & insert binned them
[14:51] <juxta> do you have a rough idea as to how many shots they'll do on a single set of lithiums?
[14:51] <DanielRichman> loads.
[14:51] <DanielRichman> Alien's default.bas:
[14:51] <DanielRichman> @title ALIEN
[14:51] <DanielRichman> :loop
[14:51] <DanielRichman> shoot
[14:51] <DanielRichman> sleep 10000
[14:51] <DanielRichman> goto "loop"
[14:52] <juxta> heh
[14:53] <juxta> how do you actually exit a script once it's running?
[14:53] <juxta> i've got it taking photos now but I can't seem to stop it and return to the menu
[14:54] <DanielRichman> you press the shutter again iirc
[14:54] <DanielRichman> in ALT mode
[14:54] <DanielRichman> or take the batteries out
[14:54] <DanielRichman> however I don't advise that method
[14:55] <juxta> shutter doesnt seem to stop it, and I have set the script to autorun, hehe
[14:55] <juxta> oh, full press does
[14:55] <juxta> :D
[14:57] <m1x10> DanielRichman, that best script Ive ever seen !!!!!!
[14:57] <m1x10> DanielRichman, thats the best script I've ever seen !!!!!!
[14:58] <Randomskk> high praise there
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[14:59] <DanielRichman> :o
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[15:32] <jcoxon> hooray - fixed the tv
[15:33] <Randomskk> :D
[15:33] <Randomskk> now you just need internet? :P
[15:33] <jcoxon> yeah - not going to happen for a while
[15:33] <Randomskk> :(
[15:33] <Darkside> ok time for bed i think...
[15:35] <m1x10> is there any company that sells tiny/small rockets ?!?!?!
[15:38] <Randomskk> estes
[15:38] <Randomskk> ?!?!?!?!?!
[15:39] <m1x10> estes???
[15:39] <Darkside> estes make rocket motors afaik
[15:39] <Randomskk> estes!!!
[15:39] <Randomskk> http://www.estesrockets.com/ ?!?!
[15:39] <Darkside> i got a few small ones before you had to have a license in australia
[15:39] <Randomskk> they make rocket motors and also rockets?!
[15:39] <Randomskk> no license needed in the UK, thankfully
[15:39] <Randomskk> I have a box of their motors
[15:39] <Randomskk> loads of fun
[15:39] <Darkside> made a small car out of lego and stuck a rocket motor in it
[15:40] <Randomskk> hehehe
[15:40] <Darkside> it went a long way, then something died and it went into a spin
[15:40] <Darkside> then the parachute charge thingo blew, blowing the lego car to pieces
[15:41] <Randomskk> excellent
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[15:43] <juxta> how annoying, my sd logging didn't log anything
[15:43] <m1x10> lol
[15:45] <m1x10> ok it says: Max Altitude: 1200 ft. (366 m)
[15:45] <m1x10> from ground
[15:45] <m1x10> but if u launch it from space?
[15:45] <m1x10> wouldnt go more ?
[15:45] <jcoxon> m1x10, indeed it would
[15:46] <jcoxon> a rocket launched from a balloon is known as a rockoon
[15:46] <m1x10> I think gravity is weak up there
[15:46] <m1x10> heh
[15:46] <jcoxon> no its not gravity, its more reduced drag
[15:46] <jcoxon> and the rocket motor runs more efficiently
[15:46] <m1x10> define drag :(
[15:47] <jcoxon> air resistance
[15:47] <Randomskk> air resistance
[15:47] <Randomskk> aww jcoxon beat me
[15:47] <m1x10> ok
[15:47] <m1x10> what is that rocket motor
[15:47] <m1x10> ?
[15:47] <Randomskk> the change in gravity is almost nothing, but the atmosphere is much thinner
[15:47] <Randomskk> so, less air gets in the way
[15:51] <m1x10> ok, this rocket: http://www.estesrockets.com/store/rockets/001302-cc-expresstm.html
[15:51] <m1x10> got the biggest alt
[15:51] <m1x10> 500m
[15:51] <m1x10> it could reach 1km at space
[15:51] <m1x10> though i dont know the physics to calc
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[15:54] <m1x10> oh no, this one can reach 800m :)
[15:54] <m1x10> http://www.estesrockets.com/store/00138-comanche-3tm.html
[15:56] <juxta> jcoxon, my sd logging didn't work today, looks like I hadnt formatted the card corrctly - I'll dumb the spacenear.us database and then clear the tracks
[15:57] <m1x10> shit, estes dont sell outside us :(:(
[15:59] <Randomskk> just go to your nearest model shop
[15:59] <m1x10> but wait jcoxon, why is not gravity? Iirc gravity is less powerful up there
[15:59] <Randomskk> almost insignificantly less
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[16:00] <Randomskk> on the ground, acceleration due to gravity is about 9.81 m/s²
[16:00] <m1x10> anyway
[16:00] <m1x10> ok we know that
[16:00] <Randomskk> at 30km, it's 9.70 m/s²
[16:00] <m1x10> oh
[16:00] <m1x10> pfffffff
[16:00] <fsphil> it would certainly make orbit easier if that wasn't true :)
[16:01] <Randomskk> yes :P
[16:01] <m1x10> Randomskk, what nearest model shop?
[16:01] <Randomskk> m1x10: I don't know. whatever's near you. there's one in the town next to me, and a few big ones if I go into london
[16:01] <DanielRichman> it's understandably difficult to export rockets.
[16:02] <DanielRichman> especially from the us
[16:02] <fsphil> you launching rockets now m1x10?
[16:03] <m1x10> fsphil, no lol. I just thought I could reach more height if when the balloon bursts a rocket launches :):)
[16:03] <m1x10> DanielRichman, sure.
[16:03] <fsphil> aaah, that would be pretty cool
[16:03] <m1x10> and a camera recording it
[16:03] <fsphil> I thought about deflating the balloon slightly, and using a propeller like a helicopter to push it up further
[16:04] <m1x10> should be lol !
[16:04] <fsphil> not sure if there is enough air pressure though
[16:04] <m1x10> fsphil those rockets weight 60grams
[16:04] <fsphil> that's almost nothing
[16:04] <m1x10> yeah
[16:05] <m1x10> 60grams for another km or tw
[16:05] <m1x10> o
[16:07] <fsphil> put one of those little keyring cameras onto the rocket
[16:09] <m1x10> yeah
[16:09] <m1x10> but all those things will be planned for 2nd mission
[16:09] <m1x10> I want to keep 1st simple
[16:09] <juxta> I had a keyring camera on my payload today
[16:10] <m1x10> oh
[16:10] <juxta> and will fly it again tomorrow
[16:10] <Randomskk> you may find putting a rocket on a balloon is much, much harder to do safely than you anticipate
[16:10] <m1x10> video?
[16:10] <Randomskk> bear in mind that the potential safety implications are really serious.
[16:10] <m1x10> sure Randomskk, but what can I hit at 30km ?
[16:10] <juxta> yes, video
[16:10] <Randomskk> it's more a case of what you can hit coming down very very fast
[16:10] <fsphil> oh juxta, how'd everything go?
[16:10] <m1x10> juxta show me plz
[16:11] <m1x10> Randomskk im water landing.. dont forget that :)
[16:11] <Randomskk> m1x10: not if your rocket enters a ballistic trajectory at 30km
[16:11] <m1x10> traject what?
[16:12] <Randomskk> imagine if it fires sideways
[16:12] <m1x10> a
[16:12] <Randomskk> it will go a very long way and hit the ground very hard.
[16:12] <fsphil> how far could a 60g rocket go, sideways at 30km?
[16:12] <Randomskk> fsphil: consider how far they have to fall and how much speed they could get accelerating sideways
[16:12] <m1x10> juxta show me plz a video.. and tell me which model you have.......
[16:13] <Randomskk> a tiny rocket isn't likely to be the end of the world, but even then if it were over land and went straight down...
[16:13] <m1x10> hehe
[16:13] <Randomskk> even if the motor failed to ignite, a rocket is much more lethal than a payload going down. the whole pointy tip thing
[16:13] <fsphil> hmm deploying a parachute would be tricky too
[16:13] <fsphil> at 30km
[16:13] <Randomskk> you need to be very careful about everything
[16:13] <m1x10> I can stick the rocket inside in the middle of payload so it wont turn...
[16:13] <Randomskk> also, your GPS is liable to not work at that kind of acceleration
[16:14] <Randomskk> m1x10: unless the whole payload does, e.g. when a whole lot of thrust comes out the bottom
[16:14] <Randomskk> the payload is swinging about like crazy below that balloon
[16:14] <Randomskk> if the rocket turns on when it's swinging, it's not going to be pointing straight up
[16:14] <m1x10> yeah I have seen... its terrible.
[16:15] <MoALTz> how will it be triggered?
[16:16] <m1x10> well, thats still unknown...
[16:16] <m1x10> juxta r u there? m1x10 needs your video !!!
[16:17] <jcoxon> m1x10, calm down!
[16:19] <m1x10> :(
[16:19] <Randomskk> he's going crazy with videolust
[16:20] <m1x10> hahahahhaha
[16:20] <m1x10> hahahahah
[16:20] <m1x10> I wish I could be that english very well
[16:20] <m1x10> I wish I could speak that english very well
[16:22] <W0OTM> iHAB-1 is in the air!
[16:22] <W0OTM> woo hoo !
[16:22] <Randomskk> :D
[16:22] <W0OTM> http://www.w0otm.com/ihab/
[16:22] <W0OTM> 21k feet
[16:23] <m1x10> ah everybody launches except m1x10 !
[16:23] <m1x10> who is a videolust guy !
[16:27] <DanielRichman> W0OTM: good luck :)
[16:28] <W0OTM> thanks
[16:28] <jcoxon> W0OTM, hope the 20m beacon works well
[16:28] <m1x10> yeah wish new alt record :)
[16:28] <jcoxon> is the band open?
[16:30] <fsphil> ooooh my hf antenna is on the ground!
[16:32] <W0OTM> getting great sig reports on grpspots.com
[16:33] <W0OTM> http://www.qrpspots.com
[16:34] <m1x10> W0OTM what freq are u on?
[16:34] <W0OTM> 14.066.7
[16:34] <W0OTM> CW beacon
[16:34] <m1x10> thats morse?
[16:35] <W0OTM> yes
[16:35] <m1x10> sory i dont know what is 14.066.7
[16:35] <m1x10> hf?
[16:36] <jcoxon> yes
[16:36] <jcoxon> 20m band
[16:37] <m1x10> !
[16:37] <fsphil> if you've java, there's a great online hf receiver here: http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901
[16:52] <fsphil> just noise here
[16:59] <m1x10> whats your callsign?
[17:00] <jcoxon> oooo i think wb8elk launch will be soon
[17:08] <fsphil> how can you tell?
[17:08] <jcoxon> cause his ground station came online
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[17:10] <jcoxon> there we go
[17:10] <fsphil> ah ha!
[17:11] <alikins_> Woot. Our previously thought lost first launch was found.
[17:12] <jcoxon> alikins_ thats the best feeling ever
[17:13] <alikins_> Hope the pics turned out well.
[17:14] <fsphil> how long ago was that alikins ?
[17:16] <alikins_> Sunday, the 22nd
[17:24] <Hiena> Muahahahaha... I really likes, how the army guys thinking. I was talking with my pal, who is involved with some UAV development, on Skype, when he mentioned, he could call the major, who is control the target range, where they testing the UAVs. We talked briefly, and the major was totally amused at my "weld-it, load it, blast it" attitude. I asked him, about the use of the range for HAB and rocketry testing, and he said it could be arranged
[17:24] <Hiena> . I asked how it will fit to the flight regulations, and he said these will not neccessary, because the modells will be registrated as projectiles or IED practice devices.
[17:26] <jcoxon> haha
[17:26] <jcoxon> wb8elk up
[17:28] <SpeedEvil> neat Hiena.
[17:28] <SpeedEvil> Also - good luck wb!
[17:29] <jcoxon> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[17:31] <jcoxon> seems like Bill has recruited quite a few listeners
[17:34] <fsphil> good to see
[17:35] <alikins_> That tracker is pretty badass.
[17:35] <DanielRichman> those two main listeners are pretty nicely placed for that flight
[17:35] <DanielRichman> went straight between them
[17:35] <DanielRichman> Why doesn't wb8elk use APRS?
[17:36] <jcoxon> he does
[17:36] <jcoxon> but he is a big fan of dominoEX
[17:36] <jcoxon> this is a sparkfun module so super cheap
[17:37] <DanielRichman> I guess domino + spacenear is much cheaper than a full aprs setup?
[17:38] <jcoxon> yeah
[17:38] <jcoxon> also more flexible
[17:40] <SpeedEvil> Also you don't piss people off
[17:41] <jcoxon> yeah, aprs on balloons upsets so many people
[17:42] <jcoxon> once a week there is an argument on the GPSL mailing list
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[17:50] <fsphil> why would using it on a balloon be any worse than on the ground?
[17:50] <jcoxon> because it hits loads of digipeaters
[17:51] <fsphil> (googles) ooh, fair enough
[17:52] <jcoxon> who pass on the string
[17:52] <jcoxon> its a bit of a mess
[17:52] <fsphil> no way to request a string not be repeated?
[17:52] <jcoxon> yes
[17:52] <jcoxon> there are
[17:52] <jcoxon> but people don't
[17:53] <fsphil> right - yea I could see the argument there
[17:54] <fsphil> W0OTM, I heard some morse there on the frequency you mentioned
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[17:54] <fsphil> hmm I wish I'd learned how to decode now
[17:57] <natrium42> o/
[17:58] <Randomskk> \o
[17:59] <fsphil> -o-
[17:59] <Randomskk> /o\
[18:02] <natrium42> ...
[18:12] <fsphil> bit of a gap in telemetry now
[18:12] <fsphil> W0OTM's almost at 20km
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[18:21] <fsphil> ah fldigi just decoded the word "TEST" on that cw I heard, so I guess it's something more local
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[18:30] <jcoxon> hmmm seems to have been a break in the rx'ing of wb8elk
[18:30] <fsphil> yea
[18:31] <jcoxon> odd that the other stations aren't picking up
[18:32] <jcoxon> oh i see some strings are coming through - just failing hte checksum
[18:32] <N4TXI> I'm getting a weak signal here in Madison. Still haven't copied a full report.
[18:32] <jcoxon> N4TXI, you running dl-fldigi?
[18:33] <N4TXI> fldigi without the "dl-"
[18:33] <fsphil> new string just got uploaded
[18:33] <jcoxon> if you run dl-fldigi you'll be able to contribute to the track on spacenear.us/tracker
[18:33] <jcoxon> (once you get a complete string :-D )
[18:34] <N4TXI> :) I'll grab that version...
[18:34] <fsphil> is there some view.php url voodoo to only show a specific payload?
[18:35] <jcoxon> yeah - check the wiki for details
[18:35] <jcoxon> N4TXI, http://github.com/jamescoxon/dl-fldigi/downloads
[18:35] <jcoxon> N4TXI, what freq is it?
[18:37] <N4TXI> I'm listening on 433.885.
[18:37] <N4TXI> new report is up
[18:38] <fsphil> ah that's better
[18:38] <jcoxon> shame that Austin isn't rx'ing - very well placed
[18:40] <N4TXI> I'll have to wait on dl-fldigi. I'm running linux.
[18:40] <N4TXI> still no loss, as I'm not copying well enough to matter yet.
[18:40] <jcoxon> which distro?
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[18:40] <N4TXI> UNR
[18:41] <Randomskk> I think we have ubuntu images? if not it's pretty easy to compile too
[18:41] <N4TXI> yeah, I don't mind compiling it.
[18:42] <jcoxon> https://launchpad.net/~simrunbasuita/+archive/dl-fldigi
[18:42] <N4TXI> hey, that'll work too
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[18:43] <jcoxon> when you run it please fill in your lat and lon as decimals e.g. 32.837 -86.7321
[18:43] <jcoxon> without NSEW etc
[18:43] <N4TXI> will do.
[18:44] <jcoxon> then you'll appear on the map!
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[18:46] <fsphil> reception seems to have improved, more strings now
[18:47] <jcoxon> need to get N4XWC to remove the N and W from his operator lat/lon
[18:48] <jcoxon> in future versions i'll spend sometime to make a lat/lon parser to convert the various forms people input into the box
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[18:48] <jcoxon> fsphil, we should add a lat/lon parser function to dl_fldigi.cxx
[18:49] <fsphil> yea -- shouldn't be too difficult either
[18:49] <jcoxon> good to have in place as it can be used in various places
[18:51] <fsphil> a tick box to take the position from a gps device
[18:51] <jcoxon> well DanielRichman has a gps parser from a device in the making
[18:51] <fsphil> what's the coordinate system used by amateurs ... like IO64op
[18:51] <jcoxon> though i think he may have stalled recently :-p
[18:51] <jcoxon> maidstone grids isn't it
[18:52] <DanielRichman> guilty as charged. the work that I have done is on my github under a testing branch but it's a total mess
[18:52] <fsphil> maidenhead coordinates!
[18:52] <jcoxon> thats it
[18:52] <jcoxon> knew it was something like that
[18:53] <fsphil> maid something or other :)
[18:53] <fsphil> silly name but it's a nice compact format
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[18:53] <Randomskk> and pretty unintelligable?
[18:55] <m1x10> In tracker I see the predicted line and the actual one. Its so accurate
[18:55] <N4TXI> alright, I'm running dl-fldigi now.
[18:56] <N4TXI> I'm not on the map, but then I haven't contributed a report.
[18:56] <fsphil> no more so than 54.6347 :) -- I was thinking about its use on the payload -- less data, but likely less accuracy, and a hassle to convert from gps
[18:56] <Randomskk> you should still appear on the map. try starting it with --hab for the HAB interface
[18:56] <Randomskk> otherwise you'll need to turn it online manually (under the hab menu or something)
[18:56] <N4TXI> ah, I'm running the other one currently.
[18:57] <N4TXI> I'm on the map now
[18:57] <fsphil> descent!
[18:57] <SpeedEvil> lack of compression is a good thing in an errored medium, where you might be able to corrrect by hand.
[18:57] <fsphil> yea
[18:58] <fsphil> W0OTM's balloon is at 25km -- still rising, very slowly
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[18:58] <jcoxon> what sort of ascent rate ?
[18:58] <jcoxon> thats been up for a long time
[18:59] <fsphil> yep, he launched before WB8ELK
[18:59] <jcoxon> eek predictor has gone mad
[19:01] <SpeedEvil> Why mad?
[19:01] <SpeedEvil> Oh
[19:01] <jcoxon> better now
[19:01] <fsphil> showing the landing very near an airport
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[19:01] <SpeedEvil> It's goign too slowly?
[19:02] <SpeedEvil> I mean the crossrange is nerarly as high as from the launch
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[19:03] <fsphil> W0OTM's ascent rate is about 2m/s
[19:03] <SpeedEvil> I was talking of w8
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[19:03] <fsphil> I know :)
[19:04] <fsphil> and W0OTM is descenting now too
[19:04] <fsphil> or descending, take your pick
[19:04] <SpeedEvil> It has enough CPU to descenting?
[19:05] <fsphil> heh, at 30 m/s
[19:05] <fsphil> lol
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[19:06] <fsphil> jcoxon, did you get your antenna back up?
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[19:28] <Hiena> 30 m/s? Brace for impact!
[19:29] <fsphil> heh -- both these payloads look to be hitting the ground at the same time
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[19:47] <Hiena> Hmmm... Got the restrictions and rules for the field use. Not fun. Max 1kg. payload, max. 300g low. grade fuel, no metal or composit parts around the engine, VHF telemetry. Smells like, they really want to use my money on training purpose.
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[19:52] <SpeedEvil> graphite is not metal or composite.
[20:06] <Hiena> Guess, still not allowed, due the fragmentation.
[20:06] <SpeedEvil> Yeah.
[20:09] <SpeedEvil> Oh - neat. WB8ELK has tracking all the way to the ground.
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[20:10] <SpeedEvil> Actually not
[20:10] <SpeedEvil> nvm
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[20:32] <natrium42> SpeedEvil, quite impressive that you can track it fine with the cheap sparkfun transmitter
[20:36] <fsphil> I got one of those little modules from sparkfun ... couldn't make it produce anything but a really broadband buzz
[20:40] <SpeedEvil> yeah
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[20:46] <Laurenceb> yo
[20:47] <Randomskk> hi
[20:47] Action: Laurenceb has been chainsawing
[20:47] <Laurenceb> electric chainsaws are suprisingly good
[20:47] <Laurenceb> never tried one before
[20:49] <Laurenceb> no power during zombie apocalypse :(
[20:49] <Randomskk> that would be their main disadvantage
[20:51] <fsphil> solar powered chainsaw?
[20:51] <Laurenceb> lol
[20:51] <fsphil> n/m -- blood would get on the panels
[20:51] <fsphil> :)
[20:52] <Laurenceb> oh something interesting i saw in a diy store - but not for sale - solar panels with spikes for sticking in your lawn + 2 axis joint
[20:53] <Laurenceb> then they had a weatherproof low voltage cable system, and ni-mh battery unit
[20:53] <Laurenceb> was powering the garden lighting
[20:53] <Laurenceb> must be possible to buy the stuff online somewhere...
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[20:56] <Laurenceb> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Solar-Energy-Motor-Garden-Water-Fountain-Pump-Panel-/300458851323?pt=UK_HomeGarden_Garden_PondsWaterFeatures_UK
[20:56] <Laurenceb> similar to that but an entire modular power system
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[21:12] <Dently> I need some GPS Arduino code help
[21:12] <Randomskk> oh?
[21:13] <Dently> I need some GPS Arduino code help
[21:13] <Dently> oops
[21:13] <Dently> I have a Motorola GPS and it need commands sent to it to get it into fix mode
[21:16] <Dently> what code can I use to send it a command like "@@Ce263a"
[21:17] <Randomskk> Serial.print(byte(64));
[21:17] <Randomskk> I don't know what the rest of those were ment to be
[21:17] <Randomskk> if that's all ascii, Serial.print("@@Ce^263a");
[21:17] <fsphil> yes! my antenna works .. did a little bit of morse, saw it on the websdr in .nl
[21:17] <Randomskk> but I think maybe one of those was a control character
[21:17] <Randomskk> fsphil: :O
[21:17] <Randomskk> epic
[21:17] <Randomskk> what radio is that? 817?
[21:17] <fsphil> yea
[21:17] <Randomskk> I really, realy should get an hf antenna setup
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[21:17] <fsphil> at the full 5 watts, it was only a slight trace
[21:18] <Randomskk> I have 100W of LF
[21:18] <fsphil> nice
[21:18] <Randomskk> and I've not transmitted or received anything on lf :cry:
[21:18] <Randomskk> I feel like I'm just neglecting the thing
[21:18] <fsphil> yep lol
[21:18] <fsphil> I feel bad about having two 817's
[21:18] <Randomskk> :P
[21:18] <Randomskk> I'm tempted to get an 817 for leaving at home for an automatic station here
[21:19] <Randomskk> once I get the vertical
[21:19] <fsphil> that's my plan too
[21:19] <Randomskk> but that'l have to come in a bit, when I'm paid a few more times
[21:19] <Randomskk> other things are higher up on the priority list
[21:19] <Randomskk> like overdrafts :P
[21:20] <fsphil> yea they're a little bit important
[21:20] <Randomskk> well it is interest free for the next three years
[21:20] <Randomskk> so it's not that critical but I'd rather not have it
[21:20] <Randomskk> and after that, there's always the vertical itself. plus a power supply for my existing radio. plus a new hard drive and more ram. plus a new multimeter.
[21:20] <DanielRichman> what radio do you have Randomskk ?
[21:21] <Randomskk> icom ic7000
[21:21] <DanielRichman> aah
[21:21] <Randomskk> it's very nice
[21:21] <Randomskk> but I don't find myself using it for much
[21:21] <Randomskk> which annoys me
[21:21] <Randomskk> like my full license
[21:22] <DanielRichman> I need to make the most of the 2 years of the hf antenna we have at school
[21:22] <Randomskk> eh, wherever you go to uni will probably have an even more epic setup
[21:22] <DanielRichman> though it needs a proper atu
[21:22] <Randomskk> cambridge has a sick rig
[21:22] <DanielRichman> true but from anywhere @ school I can walk 2minutes to this one
[21:22] <Randomskk> massive yagi on a rotator with essentially copper tape on steppers so it can adjust actual element length
[21:23] <DanielRichman> ...
[21:23] <DanielRichman> :O
[21:23] <Randomskk> http://www.steppir.com/
[21:23] <DanielRichman> can it shoot down pidgeons?
[21:23] <Randomskk> I.. I don't think it can shoot down pidgeons
[21:23] <DanielRichman> s/d//
[21:23] <Randomskk> .
[21:24] <Randomskk> but like, it can do great radio on anything lf in any dirn
[21:24] <DanielRichman> mmm
[21:24] <Randomskk> and they have a couple of radios, 400W tx (though the amps will do 1k), loads of hf yagis and verticals and stuff
[21:24] <DanielRichman> that website needs more pictures
[21:24] <Randomskk> by LF in all the above cases I mean HF
[21:24] <Randomskk> and by HF, VHF
[21:24] <Randomskk> so, that's silly.
[21:24] <DanielRichman> :P
[21:24] <Randomskk> but anyway they have loads of cool stuff
[21:25] <Randomskk> the one at surrey university is also quite well equipped, and very central
[21:25] <Randomskk> e.g. on the top floor of the e.eng dept
[21:25] <Randomskk> compared to cambridge's "in a shack out of town"
[21:25] <Randomskk> it used to be in town, but they wanted more space. on occasions they set up massive arrays of phased antennas in the field
[21:26] <Randomskk> DanielRichman: do you have a radio?
[21:26] <DanielRichman> not at home, no
[21:26] <DanielRichman> actually no, I lie, I've borrowed a local ham's ft790r
[21:26] <DanielRichman> and was using it to test the nim2 + xplain on a breadboard
[21:27] <Randomskk> cool
[21:27] <Randomskk> found any xmegas yet? :P
[21:27] <DanielRichman> they're on their very slow way
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[21:29] <Randomskk> hehe
[21:30] <Randomskk> right. I could work on my motor controller schematic, holiday homework C++ project, weather station firmware, habhub design, or anything on the next step down on the priority list
[21:30] <Randomskk> or I could even reboot to windows and play some games
[21:30] <DanielRichman> and the worst thing is that you don't have any five sided coins to flip
[21:30] <Randomskk> I know right
[21:30] <Randomskk> that would make it all better
[21:31] <Randomskk> I haven't rebooted my desktop since I started working
[21:32] <Randomskk> the holiday homework is boring and still needs a lot of architecture and work
[21:32] <Randomskk> but I'm damned if I'm going to do that the easy way
[21:34] Action: Randomskk is going to the london hackspace on monday
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[22:34] <Darkside> morning
[22:38] <Upu_> Hi Australia
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[22:51] <juxta> morning Darkside
[22:52] <Darkside> morning
[22:52] <juxta> breakfast time, then time to go give the car a squirt down I think ;p
[22:54] <Darkside> ok
[23:07] <Darkside> ok, back in 25 min
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[23:32] <Darkside> okeuydoke
[23:33] <juxta> Darkside, I did just like you and closed my window, no log, haha
[23:33] <Darkside> :P
[23:33] <juxta> can you pm me your mobile number? :)
[23:33] <Darkside> address?
[23:33] <Darkside> ok
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[23:52] <Darkside> morning matt
[23:54] <Darkside> <3 ACMA's database
[23:54] <juxta> alright Darkside, i'm heading up your way
[23:54] <juxta> car is far from clean, but at least most of the mud is gone :)
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