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[14:39] <fsphil|t60> hehe, in the office and I did the compiz window tile thing .. "Oh, is that Windows 7? ... Lee-nux? What's that?"
[14:43] <DanielRichman> start compiz config settings manager, enable wobbly windows, edit its settings and turn friction down to 0.1. Then grab a window, shake and let go.
[14:43] <DanielRichman> bbl
[14:44] <fsphil|t60> oooh
[14:45] <SpeedEvil> Compiz makes my laptop unstable and hot.
[14:45] <SpeedEvil> Oh well.
[14:46] <fsphil|t60> it slows my eeepc down a bit, and not at all on my big desktop pc
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[15:02] <timbobel> hi all!
[15:03] <SpeedEvil> hi.
[15:04] <timbobel> hey some time ago i saw a car icon in the tracker.. correct?
[15:06] <timbobel> las vegas balloon launch!?!?
[15:09] <fsphil|t60> I spotted that too
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[16:13] <Laurenceb> http://www.abacuscity.ch/abashop?s=392&p=productdetail&sku=110
[16:13] <Laurenceb> ^ its finally avaliable :P
[16:15] <Laurenceb> tho its hard to see how they could better the ublox5
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[16:32] <Laurenceb> looks like the only really useful extra features are 5Hz as opposed to 4, configurable timepulse and 30% lower power
[16:35] <fsphil|t60> that's quite a reduction in power usage
[16:37] <m1x10> forbidden price
[16:37] <Laurenceb> 30% isnt huge
[16:38] <Laurenceb> think i'll stick with my gs5010 based module
[16:39] <Laurenceb> and update rate is meh... configurable timebase at 1khz could be useful for rf applications tho
[16:42] <Laurenceb> bbl
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[16:44] <m1x10> fsphil|t60 two AA lithium batteries will be enough for a canon ?
[16:44] <fsphil|t60> it's what I'm using so I hope so
[16:45] <m1x10> say it will take a pic every 20sec
[16:46] <fsphil|t60> I might test that tonight, leave it running and see how many it takes
[16:46] <fsphil|t60> i've setup the script to take a picture every 10 seconds
[16:46] <m1x10> nice, I look forward to hear your results
[16:46] <fsphil|t60> it's a shame I can't fix the focus - the camera spends most of it's time auto-focusing
[16:47] <m1x10> you should contace the chdk developers
[16:47] <m1x10> contact*
[16:49] <m1x10> ok, now im going to make a new order!
[16:49] <m1x10> mostly i want the servo
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[16:51] <fsphil|t60> I was tempted to get the gsm module
[16:51] <m1x10> get it
[16:51] <m1x10> i work with it
[16:51] <m1x10> fine
[16:51] <m1x10> almost im done with the code
[16:51] <fsphil|t60> I'd like to try an old phone first
[16:52] <m1x10> sms-triggered
[16:52] <fsphil|t60> though it'll be heavier
[16:52] <m1x10> using an old nokia is much heavier
[16:52] <fsphil|t60> yea
[16:55] <SpeedEvil> It depends
[16:56] <SpeedEvil> the board alone of a phone is _lotS_ lighter than the whole phone
[16:58] <m1x10> ok
[16:58] <m1x10> true
[17:03] <fsphil|t60> good bit cheaper too
[17:03] <SpeedEvil> Hell - even a new phone is cheaper.
[17:04] <m1x10> but do they have a uart?
[17:05] <SpeedEvil> nokia 1208 - 14.99
[17:05] <fsphil|t60> yikes
[17:06] <SpeedEvil> http://cpkb.org/wiki/Nokia_1208_pinout
[17:07] Action: fsphil|t60 will be in tesco tonight :)
[17:08] <m1x10> oh
[17:08] <fsphil|t60> I wonder how it will handle -30C
[17:08] <m1x10> SpeedEvil
[17:08] <m1x10> I have this pins in my old mobile too
[17:08] <m1x10> its a nokia 1661
[17:08] <m1x10> that FBUS
[17:08] <SpeedEvil> http://nikhilele.tripod.com/mbus.html
[17:08] <m1x10> is a uart ?
[17:08] <SpeedEvil> mbus even maybe
[17:08] <SpeedEvil> see the above doc - I havne't read it
[17:09] <SpeedEvil> I personally recommend just using the nokia n900. :)
[17:09] <SpeedEvil> Cam, GPS, linux all in one!
[17:09] <m1x10> lol
[17:09] <fsphil|t60> slight price disadvantage ;-)
[17:09] <m1x10> is it expensive?
[17:10] <fsphil|t60> about £350 GBP
[17:10] <m1x10> lol -> http://cpkb.org/wiki/Nokia_1661_pinout
[17:10] <fsphil|t60> lovely phone though
[17:10] <m1x10> man 400E
[17:10] <m1x10> bad choice !
[17:11] <m1x10> only for rich people
[17:11] <m1x10> SpeedEvil, you can send AT hayes?
[17:11] <fsphil|t60> I don't dare put anything expensive on a balloon, with so much water nearby :)
[17:11] <m1x10> from this mbus this
[17:11] <m1x10> thing*
[17:11] <m1x10> :)
[17:12] <fsphil|t60> woo, home time
[17:12] <fsphil|t60> bbl
[17:13] <m1x10> bb
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[17:17] <SpeedEvil> I have no idea.
[17:17] <SpeedEvil> Google.
[17:18] <m1x10> sure
[17:18] <SpeedEvil> Tehre are also hacks.
[17:19] <SpeedEvil> for example. Cellphone locator services.
[17:19] <SpeedEvil> No software on the phone at all.
[17:19] <SpeedEvil> Only needs to be on.
[17:19] <m1x10> !
[17:20] <SpeedEvil> If the phone can auto-answer calls, then you can call it and hear a beep of morse of a GPS signal
[17:20] <m1x10> damn this technology
[17:20] <m1x10> always new things
[17:20] <m1x10> i cant fit them in my brain !
[17:21] <SpeedEvil> Delete some stuff.
[17:21] <SpeedEvil> Do you really need the teletubbies theme?
[17:21] <m1x10> heh
[17:21] <m1x10> what do u mean with that?
[17:21] <m1x10> i dont get it
[17:21] <m1x10> :p
[17:22] <SpeedEvil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teletubby
[17:22] <SpeedEvil> I forgot you weren't from the UK
[17:22] <m1x10> yeah
[17:23] <m1x10> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwFrCpYavt4
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[17:27] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1h3vcLybfA related link is related
[17:28] <m1x10> oh
[17:28] <m1x10> real?
[17:28] <m1x10> crap !
[17:31] <SpeedEvil> Used for forestry where the ground won't really support wheels well
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[18:06] <timbobel> holy shit i figured out sending to ftp
[18:06] <timbobel> from cellphone
[18:06] <timbobel> lucky me i have a unlimited data contract!
[18:07] <timbobel> now i can track my own car when it's stolen
[18:08] <SpeedEvil> :)
[18:09] <timbobel> how exactly does uploading to the tracker work, so you can all see where my car is going
[18:11] <fsphil> Randomskk has some code here that does that: http://gist.github.com/479637
[18:14] <fsphil> righty, I'm going to get my hf antenna back up
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[18:22] <m1x10> I just joined #chdk
[18:22] <m1x10> I hope I get some useful info from them
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[18:43] <fsphil> well, the HF bands are as noisy as ever :)
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[19:20] <Laurenceb> hi
[19:21] <Randomskk_> yo
[19:22] Action: Laurenceb is trying to work out ublox5 backup power consumtion
[19:22] <Laurenceb> the non NDA datasheet just says 25ua - im thinking that must be peak
[19:23] <Laurenceb> i was considering going for a smd lithium cell and a carging circuit
[19:25] <Randomskk_> smd lithium cell sounds fun. solderable thing?
[19:25] <Randomskk_> sparkfun have coin cell lithiums
[19:25] <Randomskk_> lipos*
[19:25] Nick change: Randomskk_ -> Randomskk
[19:25] <Laurenceb> yeah... but it could easily be damaged
[19:26] <Randomskk> true
[19:26] <Randomskk> don't want that
[19:26] <Laurenceb> as itll probably spend most of the time at near 100%
[19:26] <Laurenceb> then if it gets hot its screwed
[19:26] <Laurenceb> http://data.energizer.com/PDFs/cr1216.pdf
[19:27] <Laurenceb> the stm32 RTC + BBRAM uses 1ua max, so im betting the ublox5 will be similar
[19:27] <Laurenceb> so thats 2ua, so nearly 2 years life with that cell
[19:27] <Randomskk> really decent
[19:28] <Randomskk> easy enough to replace after a bit if it comes to it, too
[19:28] <timbobel> @fsphil you can manually set the focus to infinity in the software easily
[19:28] <Randomskk> standard cell
[19:28] <Laurenceb> yeah, so i might just forget anything else and just stay with cr1216
[19:28] <Laurenceb> 0.6grams as well
[19:28] <timbobel> and it takes about 1000 pictures if you do a 15sec interval, it's what i had. but dont go over the 4gb cards, then you're in trouble with the chdk.
[19:28] <timbobel> on 2 lithium aa's
[19:28] <Laurenceb> its like half a sma connector
[19:32] <Randomskk> it it turns out my atmega has 6 pwm channels and a comparator
[19:32] <Randomskk> I was using the schematic sybol for an atmega8 but in reality have 168PAs
[19:32] <Randomskk> so I have enough spare pwm to do a charge pump, swap to all n-channel fets
[19:32] <Randomskk> very tempted by the idea of somehow using the comparator to do zero crossing detection instead of reading the adc a lot
[19:32] <Randomskk> not sure how to connect three phrases to the one comparator though
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[19:34] <Randomskk> heh
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[19:35] <Laurenceb> what the ....
[19:35] <Randomskk> 18:32:10 <Randomskk> it it turns out my atmega has 6 pwm channels and a comparator
[19:35] <Randomskk> 18:32:19 <Randomskk> I was using the schematic sybol for an atmega8 but in reality have 168PAs
[19:35] <Randomskk> 18:32:31 <Randomskk> so I have enough spare pwm to do a charge pump, swap to all n-channel fets
[19:35] <Randomskk> 18:32:44 <Randomskk> very tempted by the idea of somehow using the comparator to do zero crossing detection instead of reading the adc a lot
[19:35] <Randomskk> 18:32:57 <Randomskk> not sure how to connect three phrases to the one comparator though
[19:35] <Laurenceb> anyway, you can connect via the adc multiplexer
[19:35] <Laurenceb> to the comparitor
[19:36] <Laurenceb> *comparator
[19:36] <Randomskk> ...oh really
[19:36] <Randomskk> hahaha
[19:36] <Randomskk> so you can
[19:36] <Randomskk> epic
[19:36] <Randomskk> don't even need to reroute, just add a reference voltage to AIN0
[19:37] <Laurenceb> yes
[19:37] <Laurenceb> then use the 6 channels, for a fet each
[19:37] <Laurenceb> you just need some sort of time base
[19:37] <Laurenceb> guess you could use any one of the timers
[19:38] <Laurenceb> as they will be running all the time, and you just turn the pwm on/off
[19:38] <Randomskk> it has a 16bit and two 8bit timers
[19:38] <Randomskk> each timer has two PWM outs
[19:38] <Laurenceb> then an interrupt driven state machine
[19:38] <Randomskk> my plan is to use the 16bit timer for commutation
[19:38] <Randomskk> and the 8bits for PWM generation
[19:38] <Randomskk> only need three PWM outs
[19:38] <Laurenceb> well, once the initial start up code to get the motor spinning has completed
[19:38] <Laurenceb> sounds good
[19:39] <Laurenceb> ah you have some logic to drive the fets?
[19:39] <Randomskk> startup is still a bit tricky. I have it working but it's slow and not super reliable
[19:39] <Randomskk> as in discrete logic or?
[19:39] <Laurenceb> bjt?
[19:39] <Randomskk> yea bjts
[19:39] <Laurenceb> guess you need it anyway
[19:39] <Laurenceb> due to 12v vrs 3.3v/5v
[19:39] <Randomskk> though somewhat annoyingly I have two BJTs per n channel fet
[19:39] <Randomskk> yea exactly
[19:40] <Laurenceb> i saw a really basic design on rcgroups, using 6 pwm outputs
[19:40] <Randomskk> so going all n-channel means like four BJTs per phase, for 12 total
[19:40] <Laurenceb> and the avr running at the same voltage as the motor
[19:40] <Randomskk> compared to current 9
[19:40] <Randomskk> bit annoying, but they'll probably just about fit
[19:40] <Laurenceb> only needed the fets and a few resistors
[19:40] <Randomskk> or I might have a little rethink of that too
[19:41] <Randomskk> using a charge pump to get 20V ish to drive the high side mosfets
[19:41] <Randomskk> rather than p channels
[19:41] <Laurenceb> doesnt the atmel app note have a good example of startup?
[19:41] <Randomskk> think I roughly based mine off theirs, yes, but mine was a bit simpler and thus less reliable
[19:41] <Randomskk> will be working on that
[19:41] <Randomskk> a lot of the good methods are still patented
[19:42] <Laurenceb> aiui you chuck some slow rotation at it to get it to start spinning, then launch into the commutation algorythm
[19:42] <Randomskk> yea
[19:42] <Randomskk> I can get it spinning
[19:42] <Randomskk> but didn't have a scope handy to check if it was fast enough to be generating enough bemf
[19:42] <Randomskk> do now, but it's not spinning as I blew the fet
[19:42] <Randomskk> but it wasn't 100% reliable and was too slow for my liking, I plan to keep toying with that
[19:43] <Randomskk> hmm, there must be a way to just use one BJT per MOSFET
[19:43] <Laurenceb> IIRC the satellite guys who use brushless control moment gyros use an off the shelf ic from maxim to run the motors
[19:43] <Randomskk> I think the issue is that I'm using a PNP BJT to drive the N-channel MOSFETs, and need an NPN BJT to drive the PNP BJT
[19:43] <Laurenceb> lol
[19:43] <Laurenceb> just use an npn to gnd
[19:43] <Laurenceb> then a pull up
[19:44] <Randomskk> so it defaults to open?
[19:44] <Randomskk> not entirely convinced that's very fail safe
[19:45] <Laurenceb> oh but you need to switch the pwm
[19:45] <Laurenceb> from the N to P etc
[19:45] <Randomskk> unless I also pull the NPN up
[19:45] <Laurenceb> cant you use some resistors and spare io pins to do that?
[19:45] <Randomskk> hm?
[19:45] <Randomskk> using six outputs from the atmega to drive the six mosfets
[19:45] <Randomskk> three of those outputs will cary pwm, three will just be on or off
[19:45] <Randomskk> no need to pwm both halves of the bridge
[19:46] <Laurenceb> ringht
[19:46] <Laurenceb> so how do you control the fets?
[19:46] <Randomskk> with bjts
[19:46] <Randomskk> https://randomskk.net/quad/mc/motor_controller_r4_sch.png is the slightly older schematic but pretty much the same thing
[19:46] <Randomskk> power stage is the same anyway
[19:46] <Randomskk> that's with p channel and n channel mosfets
[19:48] <Laurenceb> ah yes ok
[19:48] <Laurenceb> well thats simple then
[19:48] <Laurenceb> you can get three npn bjts in a single package i bet
[19:48] <Randomskk> yea probably
[19:48] <Randomskk> will look and see
[19:48] <Randomskk> at the least a double npn in a sot23-5 or -6 probably
[19:50] <Laurenceb> and maybe even a resistor array thingy
[19:50] <Randomskk> though dunno if that can be smaller than 0402s
[19:50] <Laurenceb> for the BEMF detection as well
[19:51] <Randomskk> https://randomskk.net/quad/mc/motor_controller_r4_brd.png is the r4 layout
[19:51] <Laurenceb> hmm each time i try to use www the wifi disconnects
[19:51] <Laurenceb> thought there was a new driver to solve this... apparently it doesnt work
[19:52] <Randomskk> :/
[19:52] <Randomskk> proxy through ssh :P
[19:52] <Laurenceb> it seems to be a case of lots of bandwidth crashes the wifi
[19:52] <Randomskk> ah
[19:53] <Laurenceb> lol even the network name gets corrupted
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[20:13] <fsphil> timbobel, I don't think it can be done on the A560?
[20:15] <timbobel> fsphil: yeah i ermember i found it somewhere
[20:15] <timbobel> there are like 9894238 controls
[20:15] <timbobel> you have to go through the whoooole menu
[20:15] <timbobel> surely its somewhere.
[20:16] <timbobel> hey but, in other news, why would you bother? no-one sets to infinity, it will do that itself anyway
[20:16] <timbobel> no way it thinks something is close
[20:16] <timbobel> just put on automatic everything, just the screen and flash off
[20:17] <Randomskk> wastes loads of time and battery hunting for focus then though
[20:17] <fsphil> yea, it's for the battery
[20:20] Action: timbobel wants to speak to someone for 5 mins about HTML/PHP ... anyone?!?!
[20:20] <Randomskk> shout
[20:20] <timbobel> okay so what i made now is this
[20:20] <timbobel> i have a unlimited data bundle of my cellphone
[20:20] <timbobel> i got it hooked up to the arduino
[20:20] <Randomskk> "unlimited"
[20:20] <timbobel> so is the GPS i have
[20:21] <timbobel> yeah no limits
[20:21] <timbobel> honestly, welcome to holland!
[20:21] <timbobel> come on, people watch youtube all day in the train
[20:21] <timbobel> and what i made
[20:21] <timbobel> it logs to this
[20:21] <timbobel> http://timbobel.nl/Arduino/log.txt
[20:21] <timbobel> this text file
[20:23] <Randomskk> uh huh
[20:23] <timbobel> so
[20:23] <timbobel> it can only print so much, it can not append
[20:23] <timbobel> so what i want, is that it appends everythign so that i get like one line added each time
[20:23] <timbobel> BUT, i can only write to a textfile (it overwrites)
[20:24] <Randomskk> uh, so, have it not overwrite
[20:24] <timbobel> nah ah
[20:24] <timbobel> cant do
[20:24] <Randomskk> how are you writing to it
[20:24] <timbobel> AT codes ;)
[20:24] <Randomskk> which
[20:24] <timbobel> which are basic
[20:24] <timbobel> they can write, read, delete. thats it
[20:25] <Randomskk> which at codes?
[20:25] <timbobel> i do this over ftp
[20:25] <timbobel> emm hold o
[20:25] <timbobel> on
[20:25] <timbobel> AT+KFTPSND=0,,"Arduino","log.txt",0<CR><LF> //FTP Send data
[20:26] <timbobel> and then it says "CONNECTED" after 5 secs, then you can say whatever untill you say "end of line" and it saves that.
[20:26] <Randomskk> I see
[20:26] <Randomskk> can you not make HTTP requests?
[20:26] <timbobel> sure yeah
[20:26] <Randomskk> that would be way easier
[20:26] <timbobel> i only have basic htlm skills
[20:27] <timbobel> well okay tell me the easiest way
[20:27] <Randomskk> can your website run php?
[20:27] <timbobel> no
[20:27] <timbobel> tried some times ago
[20:28] <timbobel> i have an ftp server and the domail; timbobel.nl
[20:28] <Randomskk> what's hosting it?
[20:28] <timbobel> a long forgotten friend
[20:28] <Randomskk> how does it redirect to wordpress then?
[20:28] <timbobel> emm
[20:28] <timbobel> yeah now it does
[20:28] <Randomskk> does php, or does redirect?
[20:28] <timbobel> i made a HTML thingy on index.html that redirevys
[20:29] <Randomskk> ah, fair enough.
[20:29] <timbobel> ;)
[20:29] <Randomskk> you're sure it doesn't run php?
[20:29] <timbobel> very sure
[20:29] <Randomskk> does it allow CGI scripts?
[20:29] <Randomskk> (do you have a cgi-bin directory?)
[20:29] <timbobel> never heared
[20:29] <Randomskk> without some form of something running on the server you can't really do anything
[20:29] <timbobel> no
[20:31] <timbobel> so there's the problem
[20:31] <Randomskk> well what can I say, get a server that does
[20:31] <timbobel> you know something cheap somewhere?
[20:31] <timbobel> or have you got a spot for something simple?
[20:31] <Randomskk> depensd on what you mean by cheap.
[20:31] <Randomskk> depends*, even
[20:32] <Randomskk> personally I have my own servers
[20:32] <timbobel> ah
[20:32] <Randomskk> dreamhost are cheap and shit. if you know ruby and git you could use heroku for free
[20:32] <timbobel> i dont
[20:32] <Randomskk> shame
[20:32] <timbobel> yeah
[20:32] <timbobel> but okay lets say i had something
[20:32] <timbobel> howd u do it with html?
[20:32] <Randomskk> you can't do it with html
[20:32] <Randomskk> html is just markup
[20:33] <Randomskk> it just says how text should look
[20:33] <Randomskk> it isn't a programming language and cannot actually /do/ anything
[20:33] <timbobel> can you not make HTTP requests?
[20:33] <timbobel> [21:26:25] <timbobel> sure yeah
[20:33] <timbobel> [21:26:34] <Randomskk> that would be way easier
[20:33] <Randomskk> that was assuming you had PHP, since you asked about PHP
[20:33] <timbobel> what did you mean with that?
[20:33] <timbobel> ahh okay
[20:34] <timbobel> so how would it work then, theoretically
[20:35] <Randomskk> you'd send an HTTP request to a PHP script with the line you want added in the query string
[20:35] <Randomskk> e.g., timbobel.nl/log.php?lat=0.000&lon=0.000&alt=0.000
[20:36] <Randomskk> PHP would open a file on the server, write a new line to it containing that information
[20:36] <timbobel> right right
[20:36] <timbobel> oh so you would just visit that website like that?
[20:36] <Randomskk> yes
[20:37] <timbobel> phew that sounds easy
[20:38] <timbobel> so where do i get a $5 per year webserver
[20:39] <Randomskk> who knows. just ask your friend to turn on php
[20:39] <timbobel> yeah maybe i should
[20:39] <timbobel> is setting that up easy if php works?
[20:39] <Randomskk> yes
[20:39] <timbobel> remember i know nothing about php
[20:41] <timbobel> oh wait
[20:41] <timbobel> cant i host my own php server?
[20:41] <timbobel> locally on my laptop here
[20:41] <Randomskk> if you have your own server, sure.
[20:41] <timbobel> well i have a laptop and my router forwards the right ports.. or am i msising something
[20:42] <Randomskk> sure, yes. your laptop would have to be on, obviously.
[20:42] <timbobel> i get it
[20:42] <timbobel> could you give me some pointers ;)?
[20:43] <Randomskk> www.google.com? it's really a very, very, very documented thing to do and really very easy, these days especially
[20:43] <Randomskk> if you're running windows look into maybe XAMPP
[20:43] <timbobel> so no pointer :'(?
[20:43] <Randomskk> XAMPP is a pointer
[20:43] <Randomskk> it's like, a single program
[20:43] <Randomskk> you install it
[20:43] <Randomskk> bam, you have php, apache, a database
[20:43] <timbobel> wow sounds good
[20:44] <timbobel> i have installed that crap a few times already, with mysql too
[20:44] <timbobel> bah never worked
[20:46] <timbobel> okay so that'll do.. next step, i have to php script this, right?
[20:46] <Randomskk> php script is trivial
[20:47] <timbobel> :|?
[20:47] <Randomskk> http://pastie.org/1102775
[20:47] <Randomskk> untested, I literally just wrote that on pastie
[20:48] <timbobel> wow super, yeah now it's trivial
[20:48] <Randomskk> save it as like log.php and call it like /log.php?time=19:48:22&lat=52.0&lon=0.0&alt=20
[20:48] <Randomskk> then read /log.txt
[20:50] <timbobel> right!
[20:50] <timbobel> great so i got xampp installed
[20:52] <timbobel> wow i got myself a server
[20:52] <timbobel> locally at least
[20:53] <timbobel> apache, mysql, filezilla, mercury, tomcat, i only need apache right
[20:53] <Randomskk> yea
[20:53] <Randomskk> maybe php
[20:53] <Randomskk> if that's an option
[20:53] <Randomskk> otherwise it's probably on by default
[20:53] <timbobel> not there
[20:53] <timbobel> yeah
[20:53] <timbobel> its actiavated it says
[20:54] <timbobel> lamest question ever: where and how do i put this file, haha
[20:55] <Randomskk> who knows. depends on where your htdocs or whatever it calls it is
[20:55] <Randomskk> probably in c:\program files\xampp\apache2\htdocs
[21:00] <timbobel> geez that was easy
[21:01] <Upu> welcome to running a server :)
[21:01] <timbobel> but ehm
[21:01] <timbobel> im not going to open ports yet
[21:01] <timbobel> i guess that is not wise, with security/
[21:01] <Upu> apache is fairly safe out of the box
[21:02] <timbobel> yeah but cant they go into settings and stuff
[21:02] <timbobel> default passwords?
[21:03] <Randomskk> not really
[21:03] <timbobel> randomskk, how do i get a CR and LF?
[21:03] <Randomskk> \r\n
[21:03] <Upu> apache only serves files
[21:03] <timbobel> since it puts it there now like a gigantic sentence
[21:03] <Upu> <br>
[21:04] <Randomskk> sorry, forgot you were windows
[21:04] <Upu> oh sorry thought you ment HTML
[21:04] <Randomskk> on real computers, \n is a newline
[21:04] <timbobel> but in php?
[21:04] <Upu> haha real computers :)
[21:04] <Randomskk> php does whatever you tell it
[21:04] <Upu> do :
[21:04] <timbobel> so how
[21:04] <Upu> ?><BR><?
[21:04] <timbobel> file_put_contents($filename, "$time,$lat,$lon,$alt\n", FILE_APPEND);
[21:04] <Randomskk> just use \r\n
[21:04] <Randomskk> 20:03:49 <Randomskk> \r\n
[21:04] <Randomskk> instead of \n
[21:04] <Randomskk> put a \r in there as well
[21:04] <timbobel> kkk
[21:05] <timbobel> my texfile doesnt get it
[21:05] <Randomskk> don't forget to clear out the old stuff that didn't have the \r\n
[21:05] <timbobel> its allright it works
[21:05] <Randomskk> new ones should. be sure you saved the script etc
[21:05] <Randomskk> fantastic. they make PNP+NPN on one package things that look great
[21:05] <Randomskk> and tiny
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[21:05] <Randomskk> SC-74, bring it
[21:06] <Randomskk> hell, EMT6 is tiny
[21:06] <Randomskk> 1.6 by 1.6mm total
[21:07] <timbobel> oh yeah it works
[21:07] <timbobel> do you have something simple how you can put this into a google maps track?
[21:07] <timbobel> or will you be pointing me to Googly
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[21:07] <Randomskk> putting it into google maps is a bit harder
[21:07] <Randomskk> depending on how you want to do it
[21:08] <Hualon> hey, can a n00b ask a couple of questions? :-D
[21:08] <timbobel> just a lot of points, click on it you get the timestamp?
[21:08] <Randomskk> Hualon: absolutely
[21:08] <timbobel> @hualon: join the club, surely!
[21:08] <Hualon> aw, thanks!
[21:08] <timbobel> that's okay
[21:08] <Randomskk> timbobel: it's more effort. it's not /hard/, but it's effort. you'd have to look it up a bit
[21:08] <timbobel> righto
[21:08] <fsphil> woo, I haz nokia 1208 :) man it's cheap ;)
[21:09] <timbobel> i salute you
[21:09] <Hualon> I want to do a simple balloon launch to 100kFt. or so and I'm wondering about tracking
[21:09] <Randomskk> timbobel: http://code.google.com/apis/maps/documentation/javascript/
[21:09] <Randomskk> Hualon: what country are you in?
[21:09] <timbobel> @ Hualon, check this http://hollandshoogte.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/hohoho-i-schematic.jpg
[21:09] <Hualon> I have a Spot... is that sufficient for knowing where the thing is during the flight or do I need some other crazy stuff?
[21:09] <Hualon> USA, East coast
[21:09] <Randomskk> other crazy stuff would be "better" where "better" means perhaps more fun
[21:09] <Hualon> randomskk: lol :-)
[21:09] <Randomskk> in the USA people often fly amateur radio transmitters that broadcast GPS positions
[21:09] <Randomskk> you can do so legally
[21:10] <timbobel> (thanks random)
[21:10] <Randomskk> (we can't in the UK, so have to go for different solutions)
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[21:10] <fsphil> assuming you have a ham license
[21:10] <Hualon> Ah, didn't realize you were in the UK
[21:10] <Randomskk> SpeedEvil: so it turns out I can get a 1.6mm by 1.6mm package of NPN+PNP transistors with resistors builtin, yum!
[21:10] <timbobel> not sure if you need a licence for 10mW
[21:10] <timbobel> brb
[21:10] <Randomskk> SpeedEvil: also it turns out the AVR's comparator has an input from the ADC's mux, so I can just connect to any ADC channel
[21:10] <fsphil> timbobel, only on the license-exempt bands
[21:10] <Randomskk> so long as the mux can swap fast enough
[21:11] <Hualon> randomskk: that's APRS, right? is there an off-the-shelf solution that I won't have to solder, etc.?
[21:11] <Randomskk> APRS is what's usually used, yea. there are off the shelf solutions though I don't know of any, but googling like 'aprs tracker' or 'aprs balloon' or something will get you a lot of hits
[21:11] <Randomskk> you need to be or know a radio amateur though
[21:12] <Hualon> randomskk gotcha. So if I have no ham license then the Spot will probably be sufficient?
[21:13] <Randomskk> well it should work if nothing else
[21:13] <Randomskk> oh my. NXP do them for 5p each in a slightly larger package
[21:13] <fsphil> I wonder if the gps it uses works at altitude
[21:14] <fsphil> from the website: Operating Altitude: -100m to +6,500m
[21:16] <Randomskk> hmm :p
[21:16] <Randomskk> work once it has landed then
[21:17] <fsphil> ah, someone else has used spot to track so it must be fine
[21:17] <fsphil> http://www.vimeo.com/12488149
[21:18] <fsphil> super-wide angle video
[21:19] <Hualon> fsphil: I had read that it didn't work over 60k feet
[21:19] <SpeedEvil> Randomskk: neat
[21:19] <Randomskk> SpeedEvil: http://uk.farnell.com/nxp/pumd48/transistor-digital-dual-sot-363/dp/8738394 6.6p and absolutely tiny
[21:19] <Randomskk> and with four resistors that I need builtin
[21:20] <fsphil> yea Hualon a lot of gps receivers refuse to work over 60k - not a big problem as long at it comes back on when the balloon drops below it again
[21:20] <fsphil> not all do, but it seems the spot receiver is fine
[21:20] <Hualon> great to hear
[21:20] <Hualon> that's reassuring
[21:21] <fsphil> don't quote me on that :) but google shows a few people who've done it before
[21:21] <Hualon> I know I have a lot to learn
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[21:22] <fsphil> the other option is to have a phone with GPS, that could be programmed to reply to an SMS with the position
[21:22] <fsphil> only works near the ground though
[21:22] <fsphil> but great for recovery
[21:23] <timbobel> >>>random, upu, do i only need to forward port 80
[21:23] <Randomskk> yea
[21:23] <Randomskk> again, "randomskk" will get my attention a lot faster than just "random", and is just as quick: type ran, then press tab
[21:24] <timbobel> i have a serverrrrrrr
[21:24] <timbobel> Randomskk
[21:24] <timbobel> wow thats a neat trick
[21:24] <timbobel> i like to give valuable people nicknames, so id probably keep calling you random
[21:25] <timbobel> HAAAHAHAHAHAHA IT WORKS
[21:25] <timbobel> HAHA ALREADY
[21:25] <fsphil> lol
[21:25] <Randomskk> okay, but if you want my attention for anything you'll generally get it quicker with randomskk
[21:25] <timbobel> how long did that take
[21:25] <Randomskk> not that long
[21:25] <timbobel> yeah okay but i dont want to disturb you
[21:25] <Randomskk> let me worry about that
[21:26] <timbobel> okay so an hour and 5 minutes
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[21:28] <Laurenceb> hi
[21:28] <Randomskk> Laurenceb: yo
[21:28] <Randomskk> I found the best thing on farnell
[21:28] Action: Laurenceb cant use http
[21:28] <Randomskk> 5p a pop NPN+PNP in a SOT-363 (~2mm by 2mm) package with builtin resistors
[21:28] <Randomskk> one of those per MOSFET and I'm set
[21:28] <Randomskk> with like, a single external resistor required to pull down the mosfet gate
[21:28] <Laurenceb> yeah - i was thinking for an on off switch on my board
[21:29] <Randomskk> each one is a bit smaller than the single transistors I was using
[21:29] <Randomskk> so, excellent
[21:29] <fsphil> anyone with an HD Hero know if it can do 25 fps?
[21:29] <Laurenceb> one of those to make a flip flop
[21:29] <Laurenceb> do you need to pnp?
[21:29] <Laurenceb> *a
[21:29] <Randomskk> yea
[21:29] <Randomskk> n channel mosfet being pulled low
[21:29] <Randomskk> PNP to turn it on
[21:29] <Randomskk> NPN to turn the PNP on
[21:30] <Randomskk> then I just drive the NPN with 3v3 logic
[21:30] <Laurenceb> cant you use a pull up resistor and the npn to pull down the gate?
[21:30] <Randomskk> yes, but then the mosfet is conducting by default
[21:30] <Laurenceb> no, not if the base current is off
[21:30] <Laurenceb> then the resistor pulls the gate high
[21:31] <Randomskk> n channel mosfets turn on with a high gate
[21:31] <Laurenceb> oh the n channel
[21:31] <Randomskk> only using n channel mosfets
[21:31] <Laurenceb> cant you drive it directly?
[21:31] <Laurenceb> arg
[21:31] <Randomskk> not on 3v3 logic
[21:31] <Randomskk> they're having gate voltages of about 12 and about 20
[21:31] <Randomskk> I wonder if these tiny pnp+npn packages will work for the charge pump too
[21:31] <Laurenceb> theres plenty that can use 3.3v
[21:31] <Randomskk> charge pump doesn't need resistors
[21:31] <Laurenceb> why only n channel?
[21:32] <Randomskk> Laurenceb: not the very cheap ones though
[21:32] <Randomskk> only n channel is more efficient, better matched, easier to source, etc
[21:32] <Laurenceb> fair enough
[21:32] <Randomskk> cheaper
[21:32] <Laurenceb> i guess
[21:32] <Randomskk> n channels have lower Rds(on) and cheaper
[21:32] <SpeedEvil> 3.3 ones that are acaully specced to always work at 3.3 are comparatively rare.
[21:32] <Laurenceb> so whats powering the charge pump?
[21:32] <SpeedEvil> That is - over the full spread of part variation
[21:32] <Randomskk> spare pwm output from the avr, then use the 12v from the main supply
[21:33] <Laurenceb> ah
[21:33] <Laurenceb> i was looking at PSMN2R5-30YL from NXP
[21:34] <Laurenceb> for the little brushed esc / cutdown thingy on my board
[21:34] <Randomskk> neat little thing
[21:34] <Laurenceb> prob not cheap
[21:34] <Randomskk> decent rdson too
[21:35] <Randomskk> £1.43 each
[21:35] <Laurenceb> but my BOM is creeping up to £200 so what the heck
[21:35] <Randomskk> I hate it when boms do that
[21:35] <Randomskk> http://uk.farnell.com/stmicroelectronics/stp85n3lh5/mosfet-n-ch-30v-80a-to-220/dp/1752172 for this
[21:35] <Randomskk> 52p each in single unit qty
[21:35] <Laurenceb> can prob get it to about 100 with a close price comparison etc
[21:35] <Randomskk> 80A, 30V, TO-220, n channel, 4.6mohm
[21:35] <Laurenceb> havent looked at that issue yet
[21:36] <fsphil> "Currently the HD HERO camera will only record at 30 or 60 fps" drat
[21:38] <Randomskk> hmm bugger
[21:38] <Randomskk> think the builtin resistors on all these npn+pnp parts may make them not so great for charge pumps
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[21:51] <Laurenceb> back
[21:51] <Randomskk> wb
[21:51] <Laurenceb> http://www.filedump.net/dumped/autopilot1282251082.zip
[21:52] <Randomskk> still not sure if the PNP+NPN will work for a charge pump
[21:52] <Laurenceb> think im finally happy with that
[21:52] <Randomskk> those resistors might get in the way
[21:52] <Laurenceb> also - internet should behave now
[21:52] <Randomskk> what'd you do?
[21:52] Action: Laurenceb went back in time and plugged in the ethernet
[21:52] <Randomskk> nothing wrong with ethernet
[21:54] <timbobel> bah i can not figure it out at all
[21:55] <Hualon> where in the UK are you guys? I used to live in London.
[21:55] <Laurenceb> Derby
[21:55] <Randomskk> inside the m25
[21:55] <timbobel> holland here
[21:57] <fsphil> ah London, a new smell around every corner :)
[21:57] <SpeedEvil> I'm in Scotland.
[21:58] <Laurenceb> Randomskk: whats the smallest silkscreen text youve got fabbed at seedstudio?
[21:58] <Hualon> fsphil: LOL
[21:58] <Randomskk> Laurenceb: eeh
[21:58] <Randomskk> I mostly try to stick to about 8 mils ish thick
[21:59] <Randomskk> one time I went a bit thinner and they just didn't print any of it
[21:59] <Randomskk> bummer
[21:59] <Laurenceb> 8 mils for the lines?
[21:59] <Randomskk> you can probably get away with a bit less
[21:59] <Randomskk> it's hard to say since eagle don't really give text size in mils
[21:59] <Randomskk> just crank the ratio up
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[21:59] <Laurenceb> ah good point
[21:59] <Randomskk> at 25% ratio you can probably do about 30 size
[22:00] <Laurenceb> I've had much smaller from batchpcb, even tho they only do 8mil traces
[22:00] <Laurenceb> just got a bit blurry
[22:01] <Laurenceb> i was trying with the same size text ive had from batchpcb.. i thing batchpcb or gold phoenix run a script to up the ratio automatically
[22:01] <Randomskk> quite possibly
[22:01] <Laurenceb> so ratio = text size/ line thickness?
[22:02] <Laurenceb> and you suspect they can go down to 6 mil or 8 mil with the text lines?
[22:02] <Randomskk> no idea what it actually means, but probably about that. and yes
[22:02] <Laurenceb> got you
[22:03] <Laurenceb> hmm another issue - the logo is made from loads of small rectangles
[22:03] <Laurenceb> that might not go down well... i know cusf badger uses the same technique, but thats from olimex right?
[22:03] <Randomskk> it's how it looks in the end that matters, not what eagle objects made it up
[22:03] <Randomskk> I believe
[22:03] <fsphil> sorry to hijack, can logos be put in the copper layer?
[22:03] <Laurenceb> yes
[22:03] <fsphil> thanks - nowhere near that point yet
[22:04] <Laurenceb> guess it may be best to drop seedstudio an email about this
[22:04] <Randomskk> probably safest
[22:04] <timbobel> fsphil: ofcourse yes
[22:05] <timbobel> import the bmp; type in layer 1 or 2.. that's it.
[22:05] <timbobel> or just put it in layer 123 (or something) and later with compiling, you select that layer 123 should be in the top or bottom copper layer included!
[22:06] <fsphil> sweet
[22:06] <fsphil> thanks all
[22:08] <Laurenceb> eww the vector text style looks lame
[22:08] <Randomskk> yea :(
[22:08] <Randomskk> but is best for printability
[22:08] <Randomskk> tbh at the size it comes out at, it's not so bad
[22:09] <Laurenceb> yeah i guess you dont actually see the jagged corners
[22:10] <Laurenceb> actually it might work ok with fixed for the big stuff
[22:10] <Laurenceb> looks like the ratio is line width/text height
[22:10] <Laurenceb> so im going with 24mil text, 26%
[22:10] <Laurenceb> for the smallest
[22:11] <Randomskk> fair enough
[22:12] <Laurenceb> weird - it ends up slightly smaller than fixed text
[22:12] <Laurenceb> guess it must be a slight scaling error in eagle
[22:12] <Laurenceb> also, "ratsnest: 1 airwires"
[22:13] <Laurenceb> well i guess they are german...
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[22:39] <timbobel> random ive been busy for an hour no
[22:39] <timbobel> Zero result haha
[22:40] <Randomskk> like I said, it is a bit harder
[22:40] <timbobel> a BIT?
[22:40] <timbobel> haha
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[22:54] <Randomskk> Laurenceb/SpeedEvil: any thoughts on using a normal op amp (30p) rather than a current sense amplifier (£1.30) for current sense?
[22:54] <SpeedEvil> no reason not to
[22:55] <Randomskk> both in a sot23-5 package
[22:55] <Randomskk> http://uk.farnell.com/microchip/mcp6001rt-i-ot/op-amp-cmos-1mhz-1-8v-smd-6001/dp/8540829 vs say http://uk.farnell.com/texas-instruments/ina139na-250/current-shunt-monitor-smd/dp/1470398
[22:55] <SpeedEvil> If it can go all the way to the rail, and has adequate Vos
[22:55] <Randomskk> rail to rail op amp, it says
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[23:03] <Randomskk> oooh. they do 'em in SC70 for seven pence more
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[23:40] <timbobel> randomssk you here
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[23:41] <Randomskk> one s, two k
[23:41] <Randomskk> hi
[23:41] <Randomskk> again, pressing tab is way quicker than typing
[23:45] <timbobel> how to append three files
[23:45] <timbobel> i want to have a .kml file (i think)
[23:45] <timbobel> no, so one file
[23:45] <timbobel> track.kml and in
[23:45] <timbobel> ah wait never mind its too complicated
[23:45] <timbobel> im out
[23:45] <timbobel> thnaks anyway ;D
[23:45] <timbobel> im out!
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[23:53] <Randomskk> hmm
[23:53] <Randomskk> £4 for an STM32 in 36VFQFPN
[23:54] <Randomskk> vs £2.17 for the ATmega168PA in 32QFN
[23:54] <Randomskk> wonder if an stm32 for the motor controller is feasible
[23:54] <Randomskk> gets you way better adc
[23:55] <Randomskk> plus includes motor control timers
[23:55] <Randomskk> 16bit, dead time generation, emergency stop
[23:56] <Randomskk> 12bit adc
[23:56] <Randomskk> no comparator
[23:56] <Randomskk> but freewheeling adc with interrupts on certain values is easily as good
[23:57] <Randomskk> for £2 extra might be worth it
[23:57] <Randomskk> tempting proposition
[23:58] <Randomskk> I save that much on the cheap mosfets, transistors, amp anyway
[23:58] <Randomskk> probably not the best way to do a budget controller though
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