highaltitude.log.20100818

[00:00] <n900evil> This is all theory, I've not yet done motor driver
[00:00] <Randomskk> or VFBGA, hah
[00:01] <Darkside> take a look at the XMegas :D
[00:01] <Randomskk> disappointingly both the VFBGA and DRQFN are 5mm by 5mm, the same size as my current QFN ATmega168
[00:01] <Darkside> awesome chip is awesome
[00:01] <Randomskk> awesome, and incredibly difficult to source and more expensive :P
[00:01] <Randomskk> this 324 has 6 PWM channels apparently
[00:02] <Darkside> Randomskk: lol
[00:02] <Darkside> not hard to source at all
[00:02] <Darkside> sparkfun has a breakout board for one
[00:02] <Randomskk> oh? DanielRichman here was having epic trouble
[00:02] <Randomskk> breakout board isn't much use though
[00:02] <Darkside> why not?
[00:02] <Darkside> apply power, solder on some pin headers
[00:02] <Randomskk> probably bigger than my entire pcb as it stands
[00:02] <Darkside> not hard
[00:02] <Darkside> hehe
[00:02] <Darkside> farnell stocks the chips too
[00:03] <Randomskk> some of them
[00:03] <Darkside> http://au.farnell.com/jsp/search/browse.jsp?N=500001+1002962&Ntk=gensearch_001&Ntt=xmega&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial
[00:03] <Randomskk> I guess DanielRichman must have designed around some of the ones they don't
[00:03] <Randomskk> about half the xmegas on farnell (UK) are "awaiting delivery"
[00:03] <Darkside> heh
[00:04] <Darkside> i have an atmel xplain board
[00:04] <Randomskk> n900evil: where did you learn all the theory for it from?
[00:04] <Darkside> only problem with it is the lack of free IO pins
[00:04] <Darkside> ok, uni time..
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[00:04] <Randomskk> have fun :P
[00:04] <Darkside> yup :D
[00:04] <Darkside> i have a test on power electronics today :D
[00:05] <Randomskk> oh, good stuff
[00:05] <Darkside> thyristors, triacs, IGBTs, etc
[00:05] <Darkside> all the fun stuff
[00:05] <Darkside> ok, cya
[00:05] <Randomskk> sounds a lot better than my power electronics
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[00:14] <Randomskk> oho. apparently, the atmega168pa has 6 PWM channels
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[00:15] <Randomskk> and two 8bit timers, one 16bit
[00:15] <Randomskk> in addition there is apparently a smaller 28MLF version as well as my 32MLF one
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[00:18] <Randomskk> I see. it does indeed.
[00:18] <Randomskk> this is what I get for using a MEGA8 symbol in eagle: pin compatible, but extra goodies not labelled
[00:19] <Randomskk> but I actually have enough to, say, PWM all six FETs
[00:19] <Randomskk> or PWM three, and do a charge pump
[00:20] <Randomskk> there's OC0A, OC0B, OC2A and OC2B for 8bit, and also OC1A and OC1B for 16bit, and both A and B can run on different compares (though same timer prescaler)
[00:21] <Randomskk> I wonder if I could use the analogue comparator to do zero crossing detection
[00:21] <Randomskk> rather than ADCing
[00:21] <Randomskk> thing is, how would I combine the three phases
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[00:34] <Randomskk> oh well, sleep time, I'll consider the comparator tomorrow.
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[00:45] <SpeedEvil> :)
[00:45] <SpeedEvil> If you're feeling brave, you don't really need all three phases all the time
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[07:14] <m1x10> hello astronauts
[07:27] <fsphil> morning :)
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[08:38] <m1x10> fsphil there?
[08:38] <m1x10> ping stilldavid
[08:45] <fsphil> here, but slow - at work :)
[08:45] <m1x10> oh ok no problem. I mostly want stilldavid
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[09:04] <m1x10> lol
[09:05] <fsphil> haha
[09:06] <m1x10> how cai get a list of available bot commands?
[09:06] <m1x10> can i*
[09:09] <m1x10> :p
[09:09] <fsphil> ;)
[09:10] <m1x10> lol !
[09:10] <fsphil> eep
[09:10] <m1x10> I wanted to do the adding
[09:10] <fsphil> must be search only
[09:11] <m1x10> :p
[09:11] <m1x10> do u happen to have any experience with gps shield ?
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[09:13] <fsphil> afraid not - tempted to get one though
[09:13] <m1x10> I just finished its soldering
[09:13] <m1x10> and stacked arduino/gsm shield/gps shield
[09:13] <m1x10> but both shields use pins 2/3
[09:13] <m1x10> by default
[09:14] <m1x10> but gps shield has support to use other pins than default 2/3
[09:14] <m1x10> and I try to figure out how you wire it so it does not use 2/3 and uses eg 6/7
[09:16] <fsphil> are there any jumpers or switches?
[09:17] <m1x10> no
[09:17] <m1x10> look
[09:17] <m1x10> http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9817
[09:18] <m1x10> looking at image 2 can you help me?
[09:19] <fsphil> http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/tutorial_info.php?tutorials_id=173
[09:20] <fsphil> look for the solder jumper bit
[09:20] <m1x10> oh, wait to read it
[09:21] <m1x10> Solder Jumpers: These jumpers, when disabled (solder removed), will disconnect the GPS communication lines (TX and RX) from the Arduino. This allows for the user to connect any digital line to the GPS communication lines.
[09:22] <m1x10> solder removed?
[09:24] <fsphil> I can't really see in the picture -- is it soldered in yours?
[09:25] <m1x10> I think so
[09:25] <m1x10> so I have to unsolder them ?
[09:25] <m1x10> both jumpers
[09:25] <m1x10> ?
[09:26] <fsphil> seems so, then solder a wire between the rx and tx to the pins you want to use
[09:26] <m1x10> omg why they didnt put the usual jumpers....
[09:27] <fsphil> cause not many people need to use other pins :)
[09:27] <m1x10> fsphil you mean rx/tx of the line near to voltage pins. right?
[09:28] <m1x10> yeah im the special guy who just wants a gsm/gps module :)
[09:29] <fsphil> I'm not sure which pins
[09:31] <m1x10> its them. they are connected straight to gps socket
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[11:00] <m1x10> fsphil it worked
[11:01] <m1x10> Sending bootup indication sms..SMS not sent. No credit ?
[11:01] <m1x10> SMS received and saved in: ME, 66
[11:01] <m1x10> Location query from.. 306948528764
[11:01] <m1x10> 095810
[11:01] <m1x10> 40.6477
[11:01] <m1x10> 22.9445
[11:01] <m1x10> 120
[11:01] <m1x10> Sending sms with payload..SMS not sent. No credit ?
[11:01] <m1x10> its sms triggered
[11:01] <m1x10> now how we call this module ?
[11:01] <m1x10> backup sms ?
[11:02] <m1x10> :)
[11:02] <m1x10> I need an official name
[11:02] <m1x10> !
[11:02] <fsphil> urg, names .. I'm rubbish with names
[11:02] <m1x10> :p
[11:03] <fsphil> since you intend for a water landing, how about Neptune
[11:05] <m1x10> for the gsm backup ?
[11:05] <m1x10> or whole mission?
[11:05] <m1x10> didnt get u!
[11:08] <fsphil> the entire thing :)
[11:08] <m1x10> heh
[11:08] <fsphil> you want to name the backup?
[11:08] <m1x10> not a name
[11:08] <m1x10> just a technical name
[11:08] <m1x10> to describe in short
[11:08] <m1x10> its use
[11:08] <m1x10> if u get me
[11:09] <m1x10> for mission name im not sure yet
[11:09] <fsphil> gpsms
[11:09] <m1x10> hm
[11:09] <m1x10> does not impress me! :)
[11:09] <fsphil> well I was amused :-p
[11:11] <m1x10> :)
[11:13] <m1x10> http://imagebin.org/110205, http://imagebin.org/110206
[11:13] <m1x10> here it is
[11:13] <m1x10> I can hear your sharp comments !
[11:14] <fsphil> that looks alright
[11:15] <fsphil> does it automatically send an sms, or do you have to send one to it first?
[11:16] <m1x10> you have to send
[11:16] <m1x10> i dont want to fill the memories with unsent messages
[11:16] <m1x10> just one-shot queries
[11:16] <m1x10> this way it does not consume power
[11:17] <fsphil> true
[11:17] <m1x10> now my final problem to solve is what battery to use with this.
[11:17] <m1x10> I dont want to use another 6 battery pack
[11:18] <m1x10> like i do for aprs
[11:18] <m1x10> i need something light outputing about 9V
[11:18] <fsphil> why 9v?
[11:19] <m1x10> the regulator of arduino its written that it works best when accepting 9V-12V
[11:19] <m1x10> less than 9 or more than 12 make it word bad
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[11:32] <fsphil> you could use a PP9 battery, though it might not have enough capacity
[11:35] <mixio> PP9?
[11:35] Nick change: mixio -> m1x10
[11:35] <fsphil> or this: http://www.battery-force.co.uk/detail_EN9VYY001B.html
[11:37] <m1x10> looks good option
[11:37] <m1x10> 1200mAh though
[11:37] <fsphil> it's probably the most you'll get from a pp3 battery
[11:37] <m1x10> yeah
[11:38] <m1x10> how can I calculate the power consuming?
[11:38] <m1x10> I know that gps/gsm consume
[11:38] <m1x10> the*
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[11:41] <fsphil> divide the power consumption in mA by 1200
[11:41] <fsphil> to get the number of hours it will last
[11:42] <m1x10> 44mA from gps
[11:42] <fsphil> no wait, that's wrong
[11:43] <fsphil> the other way around
[11:43] <m1x10> gsm: Idle mode: <7.0mA, Communication mode: 350 - 2000 mA
[11:43] <fsphil> no average for the gsm?
[11:44] <fsphil> it's probably idle most of the time
[11:44] <m1x10> Communication mode: 350 mA (average,GSM)
[11:44] <m1x10> and yes it will stay average
[11:44] <m1x10> sorry idle
[11:45] <fsphil> so guess half way, 180 ma
[11:45] <m1x10> so 7+45=52mA every second
[11:46] <m1x10> and 350+45=395mA for each sms
[11:46] <m1x10> ok thats wrong how i calculate it
[11:46] <m1x10> but its quite near to actual
[11:47] <m1x10> so, if just keep it idle
[11:47] <m1x10> its 1200/52=~23
[11:47] <fsphil> what about the microprocessor? it'll be using some power too
[11:47] <m1x10> oh lol yeah
[11:47] <m1x10> i put most parts of avr in sleep mode though. like spi/twi/adc and more
[11:48] <m1x10> I think the best way is to take the battery and test it
[11:48] <m1x10> no reason for calculations.
[11:49] <fsphil> I think you should get at least 3 hours from the pp3
[11:49] <fsphil> probably a lot more if it's idle most of the time
[11:49] <m1x10> thats What I believe too
[11:49] <m1x10> I tell you a 5 hours its possible
[11:49] <m1x10> if I will send about 20 sms
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[15:34] <rharrison> Afternnon all
[15:35] <rharrison> <alikins> any best practices on setup of a chdk'ed camera for a high altitude baloon launch?
[15:36] <rharrison> Yep mae sure display is off, diasble any power save features and make sure the flash is off
[15:40] <SpeedEvil> Take off any lens-cap if any.
[15:40] <SpeedEvil> Ensure camera can see out of hole.
[15:51] <fsphil> and make sure the script is running before release
[15:54] <alikins> sounds like a plan
[15:54] <alikins> any idea on best way to setup exposure/etc? or just leave it on auto
[16:02] <fsphil> I suspect most people leave them on auto
[16:05] <earthshine> juxta: ping
[16:05] <earthshine> Oh he's not here
[16:10] <stilldavid> ping m1x10
[16:15] <m1x10> ping stilldavid
[16:15] <stilldavid> hey, what's up?
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[16:17] <m1x10> cool and u?
[16:18] <m1x10> I had a question but seems I solved it
[16:18] <m1x10> im stacking together the new gps shield and the gsm shield
[16:18] <m1x10> but both shield use by default pins 2/3
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[16:19] <m1x10> but gps shield supports using other pins than 2/3
[16:19] <m1x10> and i was trying to figure out how to wire.....
[16:19] <m1x10> and I found it.
[16:19] <stilldavid> I think it's a matter of bending the pins out? how did you do it?
[16:20] <m1x10> u need to remove the solder of the jumpers on the gps shield
[16:20] <m1x10> and then wire any digital pin
[16:20] <m1x10> to the rx/tx line which is near the voltage pins
[16:20] <m1x10> this line goes straight to gps socket
[16:21] <m1x10> now everything works together
[16:21] <m1x10> http://imagebin.org/110205
[16:21] <stilldavid> good :) a little ingenuity goes a long way, eh?
[16:22] <m1x10> I was wondering why dont u use the usual jumpers instead of having to solder/unsolder
[16:23] <m1x10> about the gsm it still works like a charm
[16:28] <m1x10> and of course the regulator still outputs 4V instead of 3.8 as noted on the site
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[17:15] <fsphil> yay, home time
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[18:20] <jcoxon> evening all
[18:20] <Upu> evening
[18:21] <jcoxon> hey Upu hows teh payload coming along?
[18:21] <Upu> working just on hold now till I get paid :)
[18:21] <jcoxon> hehe
[18:21] <Upu> need to design a PCB next
[18:21] <jcoxon> i've got to redesign my flight computer pcb as well
[18:21] <Upu> I bought a bread board to run the AVR chip away from a Arduino board but the connections are dodgy on it
[18:21] <jcoxon> though not going to make too many changes
[18:22] <Upu> no just need it to be more robust
[18:22] <Upu> then I need to make a payload container
[18:22] <Upu> and get a camera
[18:22] <Upu> and buy a parachute
[18:22] <Upu> and then a balloon etc :)
[18:23] <jcoxon> hehe, no hurry
[18:23] <Upu> I have an idea for a bullet camera on a boom so you get the actual payload in perspective
[18:23] <Upu> oh pink duct tape :)
[18:23] <jcoxon> hehe
[18:23] <Upu> bullet cam with a wide angle lense on it
[18:24] <jcoxon> that would be cool
[18:24] <jcoxon> perhaps on a servo?
[18:24] <Upu> not initially keep it simple :)
[18:24] <jcoxon> let it pan around in a video...
[18:24] <Upu> That would be very cool yes
[18:24] <Upu> let me have a think about that :)
[18:25] <Upu> Do we have any reliable way of venting a ballon at a certain pressure ?
[18:25] <jcoxon> i reckon, remove the grease - some insulation and the occasional jitter to keep it warm
[18:25] <Upu> JackNorris need those servos back :)
[18:25] <jcoxon> perhaps flight 2
[18:27] <Upu> yeah I'd just like to prove I can launch and get it back first
[18:28] <Upu> ok afk dog walk
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[20:30] <m1x10> Temperature range Normal range: -10°C to +55°C (full compliant)
[20:30] <m1x10> Storage: -40°C to +85°C
[20:30] <m1x10> what means with Storage?
[20:32] <jiffe> non-operating
[20:35] <m1x10> thx jiffe
[20:35] <m1x10> in EU GSM is at 900 or 1800mhz?
[20:36] <SpeedEvil> Both, IIRC
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[20:36] <SpeedEvil> some providers only do one
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[20:36] <rjharrison> Evening all
[20:37] <rjharrison> Hi SpeedEvil
[20:37] <SpeedEvil> hi
[20:37] <m1x10> hm.. Vodafone-Panafon
[20:37] <m1x10> GSM 900
[20:37] <m1x10> so its operator dependant
[20:37] <m1x10> hi rjg
[20:37] <m1x10> hi rjharrison
[20:38] <SpeedEvil> yes. and country.
[20:38] <rjharrison> hi m1x10
[20:40] <m1x10> ok
[20:45] <rjharrison> Kids sory time
[20:45] <rjharrison> story
[21:04] <rjharrison> Hi Upu
[21:09] <fsphil> Upu, you could tie the camera to the neck of the balloon, looking down on the payload from above
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[21:11] <RocketBoy> pics from the bello mondo 1 flight - http://www.flickr.com/photos/52455043@N03/sets/72157624579858395/ - some interesting ones with nice shots of the moon low in the sky
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[21:15] <m1x10> RocketBoy, this payload got 3 cams?
[21:15] <RocketBoy> no a single camera and a servo
[21:16] <m1x10> yeah best
[21:16] <m1x10> but u need to open a big whole in payload
[21:16] <m1x10> ?
[21:17] <RocketBoy> the pics of the payload are at the beginning - big but not huge
[21:17] <m1x10> ok I will check it. I just headed for the space photos :):)
[21:17] <RocketBoy> certainly less weight than 3 cams
[21:17] <m1x10> y
[21:17] <m1x10> which canon?
[21:18] <m1x10> can u show me a link to the servo?
[21:18] <RocketBoy> the usual A560 methinks
[21:19] <RocketBoy> actually no - looks different
[21:20] <fsphil> Fujifilm A235 according to flickr
[21:21] <RocketBoy> certainly good pics - some of the best I have sen
[21:21] <RocketBoy> seen
[21:21] <m1x10> y
[21:21] <m1x10> im interested in the servo
[21:22] <m1x10> is it from sparkfun ?
[21:23] <RocketBoy> I don't expect so - it was a standard RC servo methinks
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[21:32] <RocketBoy> i'm the guy in the red teeshirt BTW
[21:33] <m1x10> heh
[21:33] <m1x10> u r big !
[21:33] <m1x10> i mean I was expecting a kid!
[21:33] <m1x10> haha
[21:35] <fsphil> love the picture of the balloon exploding
[21:36] <fsphil> excellent work
[21:38] <RocketBoy> yeah - thats rather lucky - the best pictures of the moon are in the shots just before burst - small - but quite good when you zoom in
[21:39] <RocketBoy> m1x10: I'm just a big kid at heart :-)
[21:39] <m1x10> heh RocketBoy
[21:40] <m1x10> RocketBoy, is this servo a good one? http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9064
[21:41] <RocketBoy> something like that one yes
[21:41] <m1x10> how do u connect the servo's wire to arduino
[21:41] <m1x10> ?
[21:42] <fsphil> directly to one of the pwm outputs I think -- thats how I did it with the avr anyway
[21:42] <fsphil> though I found it very jumpy
[21:42] <m1x10> the other 2 pins are for what?
[21:42] <fsphil> power
[21:42] <m1x10> oh yeah
[21:42] <m1x10> so vcc/gnd/pwm
[21:43] <fsphil> yep
[21:43] <m1x10> that will be included in my next order :)
[21:44] <m1x10> and u just send different values to turn it from one way to other?
[21:45] <m1x10> fsphil do u have a sample code?
[21:45] <fsphil> the angle it sits at depends on the pwm -- the duty cycle I believe
[21:46] <fsphil> for the avr, not sure if you can use it on the arduino
[21:46] <m1x10> why? arduino got 6 pwms
[21:47] <fsphil> they might have their own library functions to do it - my code writes directly to the registers
[21:47] <fsphil> http://www.arduino.cc/playground/ComponentLib/Servo
[21:48] <fsphil> Seems to be a library written for it already
[21:48] <RocketBoy> basically you need to make a pulse between 1 and 2ms every 20ms - the length of the pulse determines the position
[21:49] <earthshine> Guys i'm reading data from an SCP1000 pressure sensor and it is reading 0.988 atmospheres
[21:49] <earthshine> Doe sthat sound right to you?
[21:50] <RocketBoy> yeah - i guess you are in a low pressure area right now
[21:51] <RocketBoy> have a look at the weather forecast
[21:51] <fsphil> http://www.eldoradocountyweather.com/forecast/UK-Ireland-Currents/uk-current-barometric-pressure.html
[21:51] <fsphil> guessing that 1000 = 1 atmosphere, 0.988 would seem a bit on the low side
[21:52] <earthshine> i'm in Orpington, Kent
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[21:53] <fsphil> ah no: one standard atmosphere is exactly equal to 1013.25 hPa
[21:53] <earthshine> it says 100065 Pa
[21:56] <RocketBoy> yeah - so should read about .996
[21:56] <RocketBoy> based on 1009mb
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[22:02] <earthshine> 0.987 at the moment
[22:02] <earthshine> ok so I can presume it's working correctly then
[22:02] <earthshine> thanks
[22:03] <jiffe> what kind of batteries did you use on the bello mondo 1 ?
[22:10] <m1x10> gnite all
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[22:16] <RocketBoy> jiffe: not sure but I'd be surprised if it wasn't the usual energizer lithiums
[22:18] <jcoxon> does anyone want a fsa03 breakout board?
[22:19] <jcoxon> I've got 10
[22:19] <fsphil> o/
[22:19] <RocketBoy> sure - I'll take a couple
[22:19] <jcoxon> the thing is now the fsa03 is a challenge to find
[22:19] <Randomskk> some lovely photos from that bello mondo 1
[22:20] <RocketBoy> oh - why
[22:20] <jcoxon> earthshine doesn't stock them now
[22:20] <jcoxon> and i ordered the last 2 from sequioia tech
[22:20] <jcoxon> not sure there is a uk distributer
[22:21] <RocketBoy> I thought there was a UK sales outlet
[22:22] <RocketBoy> I was in tought with someone in the UK when they first came out
[22:22] <RocketBoy> tough
[22:22] <RocketBoy> touch
[22:22] <RocketBoy> Ill trawl my emails
[22:23] <jcoxon> RocketBoy, http://www.sequoia.co.uk/shop/product.php?p=807
[22:23] <jcoxon> though i've ordered the 2 they claim to stock
[22:27] <Upu> fsphil could do yes :) Looking at this : http://www.dogcamsport.co.uk/mini-dvr-2-helmet-camera.html
[22:27] <RocketBoy> So If I stocked them would they sell?
[22:27] <Randomskk> earthshine found that they didn't
[22:29] <fsphil> Upu, that looks brilliant. the wide angle lens should give some pretty dramatic images
[22:29] <Upu> so sling it out on a boom and the pictures should have something that none of the others have
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[22:29] <Upu> the actual payload all sat there :)
[22:30] <RocketBoy> I'm well impressed how macmail has indexed my mail - searches are blindingly fast in comparison with microsoft mail
[22:31] <Randomskk> tbh google
[22:31] <Randomskk> searches are both blindingly fast and work on my very slow netbook
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[22:33] <fsphil> Seeing the payload with the horizon in the background should be pretty neat
[22:34] <fsphil> I loved the images of the Rosetta probe as it passed mars, could see the spacecraft itself with mars below
[22:35] <RocketBoy> humm - sequoia still say they have 2 in stock - they need a better inventory system
[22:35] <jcoxon> RocketBoy, i think the big issues is the lack of a breakout
[22:36] <jcoxon> i can get 10 pcbs for 22 US dollars
[22:36] <RocketBoy> so if I sold them together
[22:36] <RocketBoy> ?
[22:36] <jcoxon> yeah i reckon so
[22:37] <RocketBoy> got a link to the breakout?
[22:37] <jcoxon> the breakout just makes it nice standard 0.1" pins, adds an led and a push button
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[22:37] <jcoxon> none of hte made pcb -can't find the camera cable
[22:37] <jcoxon> teh schematic is : http://www.flickr.com/photos/jcoxon77/4871446692/
[22:37] <jcoxon> let me find the cable
[22:38] <fsphil> I soldered cables to one of my fsa03's ... wish I'd waited to be honest :)
[22:38] <jcoxon> i did that as well on my latest
[22:38] <jcoxon> oh and a backup battery
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[22:39] <fsphil> I skipped the battery - it gets a lock pretty quick even without it
[22:40] <jcoxon> cable found
[22:40] <jcoxon> just uploading
[22:42] <earthshine> RocketBoy: I had 25 in stock and were selling them at least £5 cheaper than anywhere else and it took like 6 months to get rid of them
[22:43] <RocketBoy> :-(
[22:43] <RocketBoy> jcoxon - how wide is the breakout? 1" ?
[22:46] <jcoxon> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jcoxon77/4905238823/
[22:48] <RocketBoy> cool - people have been busy in eagle
[22:50] <jcoxon> yeah getting there slowly
[22:51] <jcoxon> i reckon together they might sell better
[22:53] <RocketBoy> I'll see if I can get some FSA03s tomorrow
[22:55] <fsphil> sweet
[22:55] <fsphil> have you soldered up one yet?
[22:56] <jcoxon> fsphil, no waiting for a fsa03 to arrive
[22:56] <jcoxon> managed to lose the last one
[22:56] <fsphil> drat
[22:56] <jcoxon> its floating in the sea i think :-p
[22:57] <fsphil> oh, *that* one
[22:57] <jcoxon> but yeah fingers crossed this board works
[22:58] <jcoxon> happy to order some more - wouldn't be a challenge to cover the cost
[23:00] <jcoxon> just had a nice conversation on my local repeater
[23:00] <fsphil> yay!
[23:00] <jcoxon> much nicer then the london repeaters
[23:01] <Randomskk> nicer as in
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[23:02] <jcoxon> well people willing to talk, no one abusing it and didn't discuss my prostate or the traffic
[23:02] <fsphil> anyone using the linux version of eagle, or should I use the win32 version + wine?
[23:02] <Randomskk> linux eagle is wonderful
[23:02] <Randomskk> works perfectly
[23:03] <Randomskk> woudln't bother with the wine version at all
[23:03] <RocketBoy> london repeaters - they were bad in 1980 when I left london - I don't expect they have got better
[23:03] <Randomskk> installs right off and haven't had any issues since
[23:03] <RocketBoy> just installing eagal on da mac
[23:03] <fsphil> thanks Randomskk, going to give it a try soon. so expect some newbie questions ;-)
[23:03] <jcoxon> RocketBoy, eagle on mac isn't bad
[23:03] <fsphil> the repeaters here are fairly quiet - most conversations seem pretty civil
[23:04] <jcoxon> i was just really testing my rig out
[23:04] <Randomskk> the repeater here is a bit traffic and medical
[23:04] <Randomskk> I haven't really spoken on it
[23:04] <jcoxon> just stuck the antenna indoors seem to get 11 miles with 5w
[23:04] <Randomskk> in fact the only time I have actually spoken on the radio was via echolink and gb3py in cambridge to rjharrison
[23:04] Action: Randomskk has a full license
[23:05] <fsphil> quite possibly the only full licensee to not use a radio ;-)
[23:05] <Randomskk> I do use it... for receiving :P
[23:06] Action: jcoxon is now a little too far to be a useful receiver (and behind the downs)
[23:06] <Randomskk> :(
[23:06] <rjharrison> Randomskk well it worked :)
[23:06] <rjharrison> Off to bed
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[23:06] <jcoxon> same
[23:06] <Upu> sounds like a plan
[23:06] <fsphil> lol
[23:07] <Upu> UK says good night :)
[23:07] <fsphil> night all
[23:07] <Upu> o7
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[23:07] <jcoxon> RocketBoy, will keep you updated with the breakout board - once i've tested it with an actual gps module
[23:07] <fsphil> I can test it one if you can't get the fsa03
[23:07] <griffonbot> @dbsnyder: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt_hKLP_BRs Surfsup6 launch from Saturday (video) #ARHAB #hhrs [http://twitter.com/dbsnyder/status/21524200685]
[23:07] <fsphil> +on
[23:07] <RocketBoy> humm the eagle installer says its installed OK - but its not in the applications folder or dock
[23:08] <RocketBoy> jcoxon: cheers
[23:08] <jcoxon> fsphil, -will post one to you tomorrow then
[23:08] <jcoxon> if you email me your postal address
[23:08] <fsphil> will do
[23:08] <jcoxon> right night all
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[23:23] <RocketBoy> nights
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