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[08:34] <A01> anyone have a good acent rate calculator?
[08:34] <A01> or should I just break out the pencil and paper
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[09:17] <A01> how do you guys calculate your rate of fall? Drop a test load/parachute off a measured structure and then measure it off terminal velocity and a scale with like a camera/stopwatch?
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[09:57] <m1x10> hi all :)
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[10:05] <SpeedEvil> A01: computation usually
[10:06] <SpeedEvil> A01: it's in the wiki somewhere
[10:06] <SpeedEvil> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:balloon_data
[10:10] <DanielRichman> ascent rate: http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~cuspaceflight/calc/
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[11:39] <spenguin[work]> doesnt wind affect ascent rate?
[11:40] <DanielRichman> not that much
[11:40] <DanielRichman> "ascent rate is constant to a good approximation"
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[11:59] <spenguin[work]> hmm
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[13:07] <Laurenceb> my wifi seems to be fixed :P looks someone released a screwed driver update
[13:07] <SpeedEvil> :)
[13:07] Action: Laurenceb has been trawling the forumz
[13:09] Action: SpeedEvil has been trrawling the blackcurrants.
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[13:19] <Laurenceb> where are rf switches on digikey ?
[13:19] Action: Laurenceb cant seem to find them
[13:19] <Laurenceb> I'm looking for an rf switch that doesnt require DC blocking caps
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[13:26] <SpeedEvil> dunno.
[13:27] <SpeedEvil> I would search for RF switch, and see what turned up
[13:27] <SpeedEvil> for?
[13:55] <fsphil> I think I've just made the worlds hardest to use jpeg decoder. yay, progress :)
[13:58] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[15:58] <m1x10> hey all
[16:00] <m1x10> I dont really understand something about lithium batteries. While the seem to have the longest duration it is not written how much mAh they have. On the other hand, I see batteries which advertise their little capacity. Can someone explain this?
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[16:08] <fsphil> not to many non-rechargeable batteries print their capacity
[16:08] <fsphil> too
[16:09] <m1x10> yeah but why?
[16:09] <m1x10> I see mAh mostly on rechargeables
[16:09] <fsphil> I think it might vary with how current is used
[16:09] <fsphil> drain them faster, they have less capacity
[16:10] <SpeedEvil> peukart effect
[16:14] <fsphil> that, or the manufacturing process may make the total capacity a bit random
[16:15] <fsphil> the really cheap batteries in particular seem to be a bit hit and miss
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[16:25] <Laurenceb> hi
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[16:28] <fsphil> hi hi
[16:33] <m1x10> hi hi hi
[16:33] <m1x10> :)
[16:36] <stilldavid> hi^4
[16:36] <m1x10> hey david. sew my post at #sparkfun ?
[16:36] <stilldavid> yeah, see pm
[16:38] <m1x10> stilldavid, both of my modules got the same regulator.
[16:39] <stilldavid> okay, I guess that's the new one then if you got it in the last couple weeks or so
[16:39] <m1x10> I have already emailed returns@ and they told me to send it back
[16:40] <m1x10> but I wont send it until a problem comes out
[16:40] <m1x10> stilldavid, both shields have the same date written on them. I dont believe I got a new module.
[16:41] <stilldavid> I'm not sure which date went out with the wrong voltage reg, or even if they'd put a new date on the board if they just swap out the reg
[16:42] <m1x10> anyway. From today I will start working with it in detail. So far it responds even better than the previous one.
[16:43] <m1x10> The previous module was just sending out lots of strange stuff which I had to parse. This one just outputs the correct things.
[16:46] <stilldavid> well that's comforting :)
[16:46] <stilldavid> If it starts acting up don't hesitate to ping me again or anything
[16:48] <m1x10> yeah sure :0
[16:48] <m1x10> :)
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[17:09] <g8khw-iPhone> about 50 years ago to within a few minutes joe kittenger was landing after his 102,800ft jump
[17:11] <fsphil> fantastic
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[18:52] <timbobel> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbfA7xIWXc4 video about my falcom
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[18:52] <timbobel> anyone has a lassen iq breakout?
[18:52] <timbobel> ehmm i mean
[18:52] <timbobel> eagle files?
[18:52] <timbobel> footprint
[18:53] <timbobel> ;'(
[18:54] <Upu_> http://www.roundsolutions.com/images/nav_bullett_up.gif
[18:54] <Upu_> err
[18:54] <timbobel> wow! its actualy in the sparkfun library
[18:54] <Upu_> http://www.roundsolutions.com/techdocs/misc/lbr/trimble.lbr
[18:54] <Upu_> yeah was about to say or Sparkfun
[18:54] <timbobel> thanks a lot anyway
[18:54] Nick change: Upu_ -> Upu
[18:54] <Upu> nps
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[18:55] <timbobel> hmm
[18:55] <Upu> not in my sparkfun library
[18:55] <timbobel> i do have it
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[18:55] <timbobel> so whats a good cheap gps module, i guess the lassen iq right?
[18:57] <Upu> Inventek ISM 300 is what I'm using
[18:58] <Upu> http://www.inventeksys.com/html/ism300f2-c5-v0004.html
[18:58] <Upu> $32
[19:01] <m1x10> SiRF chipset that goes up to 42km ?
[19:01] <Upu> high altitude firmware
[19:01] <m1x10> so there is a way to hack it.
[19:13] <timbobel> m1x10, sirfs can go very high
[19:14] <timbobel> some ones dont
[19:14] <timbobel> upu
[19:14] <timbobel> how are your experiences
[19:14] <timbobel> @m1x10: check my youtube vid, i got the Falcom working with another antenna :)
[19:14] <timbobel> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbfA7xIWXc4
[19:15] <rjharrison> Any one have an ft 790r they want to sell
[19:16] <timbobel> rjharrison, how do you hook up the lassen iq's youve used? got a schematic somewher/
[19:16] <timbobel> ?
[19:16] <fsphil> I wish I did, been after one for a while now
[19:17] <m1x10> timbobel
[19:17] <m1x10> hahaha
[19:20] <m1x10> "huge design flaw" !!
[19:21] <m1x10> bb! Bar time !
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[19:25] <timbobel> huge design flaw it is. you said it yourself, your advice to me was "play with the antenna a bit", well, that shouldnt be necessary in a good design
[19:29] <timbobel> anyone has a schematic on how someone did the lassen iq?
[19:30] <Upu> http://www.robertharrison.org/images/icarus2/Icarus-sch.pdf
[19:30] <rjharrison> cool :)
[19:31] <Upu> rjharrison's not mine :)
[19:33] <timbobel> how do you call the connector on the lasseniq, is that mcx of hfl
[19:34] <rjharrison> hfl I think
[19:34] <timbobel> they always confuse me
[19:42] <timbobel> it's HFL
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[21:50] <timbobel> in Eagle, how do you fill the board with copper?
[21:51] <Randomskk> polygon tool
[21:51] <Randomskk> for a ground plane, in the command bar type polygon GND
[21:51] <Randomskk> else just make a polygon and later name it GND
[21:51] <Randomskk> having clicked polygon, draw your box, making sure it's a closed loop, then hit the ratsnest button to fill the copper
[21:51] <Randomskk> ratsnest later will update the copper when other things have changed, though it will autoupdate for a lot of stuff
[21:51] <timbobel> wow friggin sweet
[21:52] <timbobel> daaaaaaaah how coool is this then
[21:52] <timbobel> thanks a million
[21:52] <Randomskk> no problem
[21:52] <timbobel> second question
[21:52] <timbobel> Why would i want one
[21:53] <Randomskk> heh
[21:53] <Randomskk> all sorts of excellent reasons
[21:53] <timbobel> give us a few
[21:53] <Randomskk> first it can make routing your ground lines way easier
[21:53] <Randomskk> just have a ground plane and everything that's GND is automatically connected
[21:53] <Randomskk> sweet
[21:53] <Randomskk> second, and much more important, is RFI
[21:53] <Randomskk> one sec
[21:53] <timbobel> RFI?
[21:53] <Randomskk> phone
[21:53] <timbobel> radio interference
[21:54] <Randomskk> back
[21:54] <Randomskk> yes and no
[21:54] <Randomskk> also emissions and other things
[21:54] <Randomskk> anyway point is a good ground plane gives you low impedance to ground, short return loops, less emitted noise, etc
[21:54] <Randomskk> all current going out of stuff has to come back
[21:55] <Randomskk> has to go via the ground
[21:55] <Randomskk> you want the area inside the loop of the current to be as small as possible to minimise radiation/noise
[21:55] <Randomskk> ideally the return current is directly underneath the out current, which you can get with a ground plane
[21:55] <Randomskk> so general advice with a two-sided board would be to have the bottom layer be entirely ground plane
[21:55] <Randomskk> keep all your routing on the top layer, but fill that with ground plane too
[21:56] <timbobel> okido
[21:56] <Randomskk> sometimes you just have to put signal tracks on the bottom layer, but if so do so as little as possible, keep them as short as possible and try to avoid blocking off any sections of the ground plane
[21:56] <Randomskk> if the ground plane becomes split, that's super bad, don't do that
[21:56] <timbobel> okayy
[21:56] <Randomskk> look at all your high current paths - you want them to get to ground as quickl;y as possible
[21:57] <Randomskk> in a direct line or directly under their supply (the latter moreso at higher frequencies)
[21:57] <timbobel> okay
[21:57] <timbobel> good advices
[21:59] <timbobel> woooooooooooow nice man
[21:59] <timbobel> i love eagle
[21:59] <Randomskk> it's pretty okay
[21:59] <timbobel> super cool how he routes everything
[21:59] <timbobel> so.. practically, im doing it now
[22:00] <timbobel> but i have to wait for connecting the GND entrances till the end
[22:00] <Randomskk> uhm
[22:00] <Randomskk> don't use the autorouter
[22:00] <timbobel> because it is "polygonning" around everything, even the groundlines
[22:00] <Randomskk> it's atrocious
[22:00] <Randomskk> and connect ground first, before anything
[22:00] <Randomskk> then power
[22:00] <timbobel> i dont
[22:00] <timbobel> yeah okay but what im saying
[22:00] <timbobel> if i do that
[22:00] <Randomskk> then clocks and analogue signals
[22:01] <Randomskk> then high speed digital, then low speed digital, by and large.
[22:01] <timbobel> then i do the ground polygon, it is polygonning around the gnd lines
[22:01] <Randomskk> it /is/ the ground lines
[22:01] <Randomskk> if it's not merging with them it's because you didn't name it the same as you've named your ground lines
[22:01] <timbobel> im not much of a namer
[22:02] <Randomskk> you should use the supply symbols for Vcc and GND
[22:02] <Randomskk> they're in the supply/ lib, or in the sparkfun library if you're using that
[22:02] <timbobel> ah i get it
[22:02] <timbobel> its working no
[22:02] <timbobel> w
[22:02] <timbobel> thanks man
[22:02] <timbobel> looks pro
[22:03] <timbobel> luckily i have a Eagle PCB course with farnell next month
[22:03] <Randomskk> heh nice
[22:03] <timbobel> yeah, they had a free lunch.
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[22:06] <m1x10> I lost my driving license !!! (:(:(
[22:06] <Randomskk> D: what'd you do?
[22:07] <m1x10> dunno
[22:07] <Randomskk> as in, misplaced or had confiscated
[22:07] <m1x10> I will go to local police to say it and tell me what can i do
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[22:23] <timbobel> random you here?
[22:23] <timbobel> ping me if you are
[22:25] <Randomskk> hi
[22:25] <Randomskk> when you want to get my attention, best to say 'randomskk', as then my client highlights this channel
[22:27] <Randomskk> ( timbobel )
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[23:15] <timbobel> randonskk are big lines better?
[23:15] <timbobel> randomssk
[23:15] <timbobel> ping randomskk
[23:15] <Randomskk> hi
[23:15] <Randomskk> no, just having my name in it.
[23:17] <timbobel> okido.
[23:18] <timbobel> the SD card footprint has got all kinds of stuff, DO, IR1, P9, WP, CD, SW, but which ones are miso, mosi, etc?
[23:18] <Randomskk> really best to just look that up
[23:19] <timbobel> cant find
[23:24] <timbobel> i am now deducing it from juxta's isis 1 schematic ;)
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[23:59] <timbobel> randomskk, should i then do the top with a V polygon, and bottom with the Gnd?
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