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[00:33] <Wild-Wing> hmmmmm i just saw a video and they launched durring the winter does that effect how high it will go ?
[00:33] <Randomskk> well ice can have an effect
[00:34] <Wild-Wing> i was just thinking that you would need more helium to launch and the balloon would burst at a lower alt. would that be true or am i just over thinking
[00:34] <Randomskk> why do you think that?
[00:35] <Wild-Wing> because i had a helium balloon burst when it went from the hot to the cold
[00:36] <Wild-Wing> i think im over thinking it
[00:37] <Randomskk> but it wouldn't go from hot to cold
[00:37] <Randomskk> well, any more than anything
[00:37] <Randomskk> they are going from 20C odd on the ground to -40 odd in the air
[00:38] <Wild-Wing> hmmm so i was wrong would it use more or less gas?
[00:38] <Randomskk> it wouldn't make a significant difference
[00:39] <Randomskk> sleep, bbl
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[00:41] <Wild-Wing> ok thanks for entertaining my stupidy
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[00:54] <Wild-Wing> hi juxta
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[01:19] <juxta> hi Wild-Wing
[01:20] <Wild-Wing> how are you
[01:20] <juxta> not too bad thanks :)
[01:20] <Wild-Wing> thats great
[01:21] <juxta> just about to head out unfortunatley
[01:21] <SpeedEvil> Remember perseids tonight/tomorrow
[01:21] <SpeedEvil> cloudy here :/
[01:21] <juxta> I have an enourmous table I need to move today - it's made from railway sleepers and weighs close enough to 1 ton
[01:22] <SpeedEvil> Do you have enough helium?
[01:22] <juxta> heh
[01:23] <juxta> I think I will have to substitute the helium for a wrench and undo the thing
[01:23] <juxta> i best head off, don't stay up too late SpeedEvil ;p
[01:24] <SpeedEvil> wave.
[01:24] <SpeedEvil> Good luck, and try not to get pinned beneath falling sleepers, they tend to hurt.
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[03:55] <griffonbot> @nearsys: The BalloonSat flight computers incorporate the Easy Plug adapter. This makes it easy to connect my sensors. #ARHAB [http://twitter.com/nearsys/status/20940234092]
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[09:20] <m1x10> good morning all
[09:21] <Upu> morning
[09:27] <juxta> morning m1x10 :)
[09:27] <juxta> Upu, how did you get on with your NTX2 and RTTY the other day?
[09:28] <Upu> getting there
[09:28] <Upu> bought some new resistors from Maplins yesterday
[09:29] <Upu> after sitting down with a calculator :) RL was too busy last night to fit them
[09:29] <juxta> hehe
[09:36] <Upu> might get to test it tonight
[09:51] <m1x10> yesterday I was about to make an order. Total cost was 43$. In euros was about 32.
[09:52] <m1x10> just a while ago a pressed submit so the transcaction will take 32E from my paypal.
[09:52] <m1x10> I have 35E in paypal
[09:52] <m1x10> I see it cannot be done
[09:52] <m1x10> I check the currencies...
[09:52] <m1x10> yesterday 1E = 0.7$
[09:52] <m1x10> today 1E = 1.6$
[09:53] <m1x10> stupid banks and economics.
[09:53] <m1x10> Now I have to wait until the dollar looses its value against Euro
[09:56] <juxta> m1x10, doesn't look like it's moved all that much: http://www.google.com/finance?q=EURUSD
[09:56] <m1x10> oh
[09:56] <m1x10> 1.2
[09:56] <m1x10> in google saying 1.6
[09:56] <m1x10> oh no
[09:56] <m1x10> 1.29
[09:56] <m1x10> shit !
[09:57] <juxta> yesterday it was actually more!
[09:57] <m1x10> yeah
[09:57] <m1x10> at night i checked it
[09:57] <m1x10> it was more than 1.2
[09:57] <m1x10> really
[09:57] <m1x10> but anyway. it was 0.7 and became 1.2
[09:57] <m1x10> my order cost 32E and costs about 50
[09:58] <m1x10> juxta
[09:58] <m1x10> from this table you can actually see the history
[09:59] <m1x10> if you watch this you can know when its cheaper for u?
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[10:00] <m1x10> great thing to know
[10:00] <juxta> yeah, it shows the history, that's why I linked it :)
[10:01] <m1x10> great info
[10:01] <m1x10> know I have to watch this thing before ordering something
[10:01] <m1x10> now*
[10:02] <m1x10> why is the currency changing that much? is any financial guy here?
[10:13] <fsphil> the gbp/usd rate was pretty good last week, got some green lasers from the states
[10:15] <juxta> i bought a 30mw some time ago
[10:15] <juxta> the rules have changed here now
[10:15] <fsphil> these are rated 50mw, but I doubt they are
[10:15] <juxta> anything over 5mw is now considered a weapon and attracts penalties in the order of about $10k for importing
[10:15] <fsphil> ooch
[10:16] <juxta> or maybe it's 1mw
[10:16] <juxta> silly knee-jerk reaction as typical here
[10:16] <fsphil> it was on the news earlier in the year, I expected the same kind of reaction but so far nothing
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[10:52] <m1x10> juxta are you aware of GPTXT message that comes from ublox ?
[10:53] <m1x10> Im trying to find a way to disable it. Apparently it canoot be done through the usual way.
[10:54] <m1x10> GPTXT,01,01,02,u-blox ag - www.u-blox.com
[10:55] <m1x10> it comes just like that and corrupts everything
[10:59] <m1x10> GPTXT,01,01,02,ANTSTATUS=OK
[10:59] <m1x10> GPTXT,01,01,02,ANTSTATUS=DONTKNOW
[10:59] <m1x10> GPTXT,01,01,02,ANTSUPERV=AC SD PDoS SR
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[11:11] <juxta> m1x10, I dont get that coming out
[11:13] <m1x10> u use tinygps ?
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[11:13] <m1x10> tinygps will just jump this messages.
[11:13] <m1x10> Try to do raw reading.
[11:13] <juxta> I have
[11:14] <m1x10> hmm
[11:14] <m1x10> It is stated at ublox protocol that GPTXT exists and default enabled.
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[11:24] <juxta> m1x10, all I see is:
[11:24] <juxta> This message is not configured through CFG-MSG, but instead through CFG-INF.
[11:24] <juxta> This message outputs various information on the receiver, such as power-up screen,
[11:24] <juxta> software version etc. This message can be configured using UBX Protocol message CFG-INF
[11:25] <m1x10> yeah
[11:25] <juxta> doesn't say it's enabled by defaulkt
[11:25] <juxta> I've never seen it on any of my modules
[11:25] <m1x10> lol
[11:25] <m1x10> I sew it from the first time
[11:26] <juxta> disable it then, or write your parser to ignore it ;p
[11:26] <m1x10> yeah
[11:27] <m1x10> it just come out today
[11:27] <m1x10> for many days i havent see it
[11:28] <juxta> hmm
[11:28] <juxta> you didn't accidentally enable it in u center?
[11:28] <m1x10> thats what im thinking now
[11:29] <juxta> okay - time for me to have some dinner, back in a little while
[11:29] <m1x10> bb
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[11:31] <timbobel> what are the experiences with the lassen iq
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[11:32] <timbobel> ???
[11:32] <timbobel> ping everyone
[11:32] <m1x10> hey
[11:32] <m1x10> I dont have it
[11:32] <m1x10> but ive heard good
[11:32] <timbobel> thats why i ask
[11:32] <m1x10> but im now in love with ublox :)
[11:32] <timbobel> falcom fsa03 is not really in stock anywhere
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[11:33] <timbobel> oh come on ublox sucks. we just need a good reliable GPGGA sentence.
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[11:33] <m1x10> why sucks?
[11:33] <timbobel> we dont need it it only makes things complex!
[11:33] <m1x10> nooo
[11:33] <m1x10> read my last articles
[11:33] <m1x10> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:falcom_fsa03
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[11:35] <timbobel> man, why do i have to configure anything! keep it simple.
[11:36] <m1x10> level of simplicity differs on each person :)
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[11:41] <m1x10> timbobel don't forget that I got freaked out for 2 days when gps was dead. remember me? "timbomel_syndrom"
[11:41] <m1x10> it just needed some research
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[11:43] <m1x10> ping LA3QMA1
[11:45] <m1x10> hahaha. all look: http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/categories.php
[11:45] <m1x10> second image is veery lol !
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[11:53] <timbobel> m1x10: "it just needed some research" -> it shouldnt need any research.
[11:56] <m1x10> man! you are flying objects near space..........
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[12:07] <juxta> timbobel, the lassen IQ is a good module, but it's was less sensitive than a ublox or a SIRFIII
[12:08] <juxta> m1x10, a backup battery is really not saving settings
[12:08] <juxta> it's just keeping the modules RAM buffered so it doesn't lose them
[12:08] <timbobel> right..
[12:08] <timbobel> anyway juxta; i have a q
[12:08] <juxta> it's way*
[12:08] <timbobel> check this one
[12:08] <timbobel> http://nl.farnell.com/rf-solutions/phc-m4-433/antenna-compressed-m4-433mhz/dp/1200978?crosssellid=1200978&crosssell=true&in_merch=true&
[12:09] <timbobel> what do you think?
[12:10] <m1x10> juxta have you issued the save command and it didnt save it ?
[12:10] <juxta> probably won't perform too well timbobel - it will just be a 1/4 wave antenna coiled up, it'
[12:10] <juxta> it's a tradeoff
[12:10] <juxta> space vs performance
[12:10] <timbobel> how much difference would you recon
[12:11] <timbobel> it would be a great way to mount
[12:11] <juxta> I dont know, they don't list the claimed gain from what I can see
[12:11] <juxta> using a ~16.4cm antenna isnt too big of a deal as far as I can tell anyway
[12:11] <juxta> m1x10, as soon as you remove the battery the settings will be cleared
[12:12] <m1x10> yes juxta
[12:12] <m1x10> to preserve settings you need a battery and to issue the save command
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[12:13] <juxta> I wouldnt bother to be honest
[12:13] <timbobel> m1x10: not entirely true. it for instance saves 9600 baud, even if the factory settings are 38400 (which they were in my case)
[12:13] <juxta> timbobel, certainly not on any of the modules I've tested with, and I have a handful of them here
[12:14] <timbobel> why would you have a hand full?
[12:14] <timbobel> and surely they kept the baud sets, i specifically tested that
[12:14] <timbobel> although i have you in high regard, which means i probably did something wrong
[12:14] <juxta> did you have a backup battery connected?
[12:14] <timbobel> nah
[12:15] <juxta> m1x10, it's easier just to program the module with the UBX protocol when you power up your microcontroller
[12:15] <juxta> hmm, that's odd. all mine lose settings when they lose power, including baud rate, regardless of sending save messages etc
[12:15] <m1x10> juxta, its lots easier to do it at ucenter :)
[12:16] <m1x10> maybe the messages are not correct juxta
[12:16] <juxta> I should say more reliable then
[12:16] <juxta> I did of course test it with u-center too m1x10
[12:16] <m1x10> you tested what?
[12:17] <juxta> saving with u-center
[12:17] <m1x10> worked?
[12:17] <juxta> not once power was lost
[12:17] <m1x10> with bat backed?
[12:17] <juxta> once all power including backup battery was removed I mean
[12:18] <m1x10> yes that logical
[12:18] <m1x10> only with battery the stay
[12:18] <juxta> I also emailed falcom and asked them - they advised to either buffer the ram with battery or reprogram the module at boot
[12:18] <m1x10> correct
[12:19] <m1x10> but how you reprogram it?
[12:19] <juxta> send it a sequence of bytes, UBX protocol
[12:19] <m1x10> a
[12:19] <m1x10> ok
[12:19] <m1x10> yes thats a good way to do it
[12:20] <m1x10> but for me that I have ucenter and the battery
[12:20] <m1x10> I can do it once
[12:20] <m1x10> the settings will be cleared only when battery is empty of when I remove it.
[12:25] <m1x10> something else
[12:26] <m1x10> I noticed that the altitude is not correct
[12:26] <m1x10> and i think you have to set the datum parameter
[12:26] <m1x10> in order to get the correct height
[12:27] <juxta> altitude works out of the box for me
[12:27] <m1x10> The receiver defaults to WGS84 datum
[12:28] <m1x10> every country has its own datum
[12:28] <juxta> it's probably not going to be too important for our uses
[12:29] <m1x10> Australian Geodetic 1984 - Australia & Tasmania
[12:29] <m1x10> AUG 3 0 -134.0 -48.0 149.0
[12:30] <m1x10> i tell you that juxta cause you use ubx 00 now
[12:30] <m1x10> and it is stated
[12:30] <m1x10> AltRef m Altitude above user datum ellipsoid.
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[12:31] <m1x10> UBX,00
[12:31] <m1x10> Comment The output of this message is dependent on the currently selected datum (Default:
[12:31] <m1x10> WGS84)
[12:32] <m1x10> so if u are going to use ubx 00 be sure to set datum :)
[12:32] <juxta> WGS84 is standard for the whole GPS system. GGA sentences also use the currently selected datum, defaulting to WGS84
[12:33] <m1x10> WGS84 0 0 0.0 0.0 0.0
[12:33] <m1x10> while for your country
[12:33] <m1x10> -134.0 -48.0 149.0
[12:34] <m1x10> i see lots of differences
[12:34] <m1x10> I will test with ucenter
[12:35] <juxta> you really don't need to be changing the datum m1x10
[12:36] <juxta> the only situation I can see that you'd want to do that would be if you wanted to use the output from the GPS to navigate some non WGS84 mapping system where the coordinates would not line up
[12:36] <m1x10> yes but i get very high altitude here. I am at 120-140 and gps shows 190+
[12:38] <juxta> 50m isn't much out of 30,000 ;)
[12:38] <m1x10> heh
[12:38] <m1x10> sure
[12:38] <m1x10> :)
[12:38] <juxta> it might just be DOP - what is your receiver reporting for VDOP?
[12:39] <m1x10> good
[12:39] <m1x10> below 3
[12:39] <m1x10> vdop and hdop
[12:39] <m1x10> 2.5
[12:39] <fsphil> m1x10, sitting still my gps receivers altitude varies by about ~50 metres
[12:40] <juxta> yeah, altitude on GPS isnt brilliant
[12:40] <juxta> mine tends to range between 0 & 20m
[12:40] <juxta> maybe 40 sometimes, not too sure
[12:40] <juxta> I'm at about 7m above sea level
[12:40] <m1x10> fsphil yes, standing still makes things worse
[12:41] <fsphil> plus it's indoors, which can't be helping
[12:41] <m1x10> sure
[12:41] <juxta> m1x10, what do you get for altitude here?
[12:41] <juxta> http://www.daftlogic.com/sandbox-google-maps-find-altitude.htm
[12:42] <juxta> not sure how accurate it is, but seems to be correct for me
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[12:43] <m1x10> 104.094 m
[12:43] <m1x10> last fsa alt 206.188
[12:44] <juxta> interesting
[12:44] <juxta> any difference outdoors?
[12:44] <m1x10> havent test it
[12:44] <m1x10> wait to set the datum
[12:44] <m1x10> then tell u
[12:45] <juxta> well sure, but that's not really the idea of the datum setting. WGS84 was designed to supercede and replace previous datums
[12:45] <juxta> it's generally superior
[12:46] <timbobel> my falcom was always between 0 and 10 metres wrong; and my tyco sirfIII (which is better) was always wrong by 0~100metres
[12:46] <m1x10> yes but each country has big diff in values from wgs
[12:46] <juxta> WGS does not discriminate by country
[12:46] <m1x10> brb
[12:46] <juxta> it's a model of the shape of the planet
[12:47] <timbobel> actually, when i was testing my system, it found a 300 metres hight difference (in holland!) between locations; since the system went into descent mode!
[12:47] <juxta> haha
[12:47] <timbobel> then i just put it to 500 metres
[12:47] <juxta> what is your altitude above sea level timbobel?
[12:47] <juxta> or are you below? ;p
[12:47] <m1x10> thats earth: http://www.survey.ntua.gr/main/labs/hgeod/ddeli/gravfield/Intro%20PhysGeodesy_files/geoid_c100.jpg
[12:47] <timbobel> 1metres, and im at the 1st story, so in fact 6 metres now
[12:48] <juxta> haha
[12:48] <timbobel> are you sure that image isnt exaggerated?
[12:48] <m1x10> no
[12:49] <m1x10> earth its just a random shape rock
[12:49] <m1x10> the gas makes it round
[12:49] <timbobel> gasses?
[12:49] <m1x10> thats a better: http://jaeger.earthsci.unimelb.edu.au/ImageLibrary/Geoid/Images/geoid_a_montage.jpg
[12:49] <timbobel> the atmosphere is super tiny man
[12:49] <timbobel> but i think its exaggerated
[12:49] <m1x10> yes that makes it look round
[12:50] <timbobel> since the circumference of earth is about 12700km.. and the oceans are max 11km deep
[12:50] <timbobel> ...
[12:50] <juxta> m1x10, the diameter of earth is 12,700 km
[12:50] <juxta> oh, timbobel beat me to it
[12:50] <m1x10> ok
[12:51] <timbobel> haahahahah that image!
[12:51] <timbobel> you can't be serious!?
[12:51] <m1x10> no
[12:51] <m1x10> man
[12:51] <m1x10> you live on a rock
[12:51] <timbobel> man, this rock has been made round by gravity
[12:51] <m1x10> made by collisions of other rocks
[12:51] <m1x10> some billions years ago
[12:51] <timbobel> oh you have to understand that if this was correct, the water would make it round?
[12:52] <m1x10> which rock is rounded?
[12:52] <timbobel> any rock that has been formed when it was super hot
[12:52] <m1x10> yes but why to take a round shape ?
[12:52] <m1x10> and not a random one?
[12:53] <timbobel> obviously because of the laws of gravitation
[12:54] <timbobel> you have to be wrong, since the atmosphere is, i guess, 100km at most: and the dia of the eart is 12700!! so just check out sattelite pictures..
[12:54] <m1x10> http://astroforum.gr/forum/files/thumbs/t_geoid_626.jpg
[12:55] <m1x10> http://wetterwechsel.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/geo_geoid.gif
[12:55] <m1x10> cannot persuade you more
[12:55] <m1x10> we live on a random formatted rock
[12:55] <timbobel> yes, but again, these are exaggerated pictuers, omg
[12:55] <timbobel> have you ever seen a simulation of how the hull of a boat moves when in the water
[12:55] <timbobel> those are exaggerated as well
[12:55] <m1x10> looks round cause water have filled the gaps
[12:56] <m1x10> and atmosphere the same
[12:56] <m1x10> man thats scientific
[12:56] <timbobel> water has filled the gap
[12:56] <timbobel> why arent you saying anything about my numberst
[12:56] <juxta> those pics are exaggerated m1x10
[12:57] <m1x10> noo!
[12:57] <timbobel> the water is 11km deep.... and the earth circumference is 12.700
[12:57] <m1x10> haha
[12:57] <m1x10> let me to the datum damn it !
[12:57] <timbobel> so the thickness of the water is 0.09% compared to the earths diameter (100%)
[12:58] <timbobel> in your picture.. the water should be like.. >1000km deep
[12:58] <m1x10> http://www.geod.nrcan.gc.ca/images/wgs84geoid_e.jpg
[12:59] <juxta> yes, that pic explains how your receiver calculated altitude
[12:59] <SpeedEvil> m1x10: The earth is round as it's not strong enough to be a cube.
[12:59] <SpeedEvil> m1x10: The inside is molten. If you made it a cube tomorrow, it would _very_ rapidly flow back into a sphere.
[13:00] <juxta> earth overal only deviates from a sphere by about 0.3%
[13:00] <m1x10> not complete round.
[13:00] <m1x10> let me do the datum plz !
[13:00] <timbobel> m1x10: you are wrong. face it, check nasa's pictures, and check my facts: water is max 11km deep, and atmosphere max 100km..
[13:00] <m1x10> haha
[13:01] <SpeedEvil> Not complelty round, but it cannot dignificantly deviate from round.
[13:01] <m1x10> i fully disagree with all
[13:01] <timbobel> obviously
[13:02] <m1x10> brb
[13:02] <timbobel> ofcourse it's not completely round.
[13:02] <juxta> m1x10, changing the datum is likely to throw out your coordinate accuracy, unless you're then plotting those coordinates on a map using the same datum
[13:02] <timbobel> haha this is getting weird. i once had a girl in my class that asked the teachers if we had two moons (she was 18)
[13:03] <juxta> SpeedEvil, table was moved successfully, hurrah
[13:03] <SpeedEvil> juxta: Congrats.
[13:04] <SpeedEvil> juxta: I have so many random things to do outside.
[13:04] <juxta> these things always tend to accumulate :)
[13:04] <SpeedEvil> yeah.
[13:05] <juxta> we've been wondering of late why our rain water tanks haven't been filling up, though we've had loads of rain
[13:05] <juxta> turns out the tank/stormwater selection valve had been changed, I didnt even realise there was one there
[13:06] <SpeedEvil> I've got a large (9000l) pond, thart I drained to repair the membrane at the top. I accidentally filled it again by leaving the hose on for a couple of days.
[13:06] <juxta> hehe
[13:06] <SpeedEvil> I now haver to work out hrre the hole is on the bottom, as it's drained again. :/
[13:06] <juxta> oh that's annoying
[13:06] <juxta> does it fill quickly with rain?
[13:07] <SpeedEvil> no.
[13:07] <SpeedEvil> It's not urgent - just yet another
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[13:34] <juxta> editing tables in docuwiki is painfully slow
[13:39] <jonsowman> juxta: tell me about it
[13:40] <juxta> almost done
[13:40] <juxta> 23 rows
[13:40] <juxta> woohoo
[13:40] <jonsowman> hehe
[13:43] <m1x10> can anyone explain to me again the dc coupled thing.
[13:43] <m1x10> eg: Audio input is 5v pkpk filtered and DC coupled internally
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[13:51] <juxta> table's done, woohoo
[13:52] <juxta> jonsowman, how the the predictor manage to get by without a gmaps API key?
[13:56] <jonsowman> it does have an API key :)
[13:56] <juxta> oh right
[13:57] <juxta> isn't it specific to one URL?
[13:57] <jonsowman> in predict/includes/config.inc.php
[13:57] <jonsowman> yea... that key is for hexoc
[13:57] <juxta> hmm
[13:57] <jonsowman> i'm not sure why it didn't complain on srcf
[13:57] <juxta> I didn't edit the key and it seems to be working ok :P
[13:57] <jonsowman> odd isn't it
[13:58] <juxta> yeah - I just assumed you'd found some way to beat the system ;p
[13:58] <jonsowman> sometimes it will complain and force you to get a key
[13:58] <jonsowman> haha no
[13:58] <jonsowman> just fluke - dont know why
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[15:46] <DanielRichman> jonsowman:
[15:51] <jonsowman> DanielRichman: hi
[15:52] <DanielRichman> jonsowman: do you think that the predictor should accept requests in JSON format and produce JSON answers? It would be easier to just go for positional ascii arguments and csv
[15:52] <DanielRichman> would that be a pain to program in JS?
[15:52] <jonsowman> yes that would be sensible
[15:53] <jonsowman> so change scenario.ini to scenario.json
[15:53] <jonsowman> and flight_path.csv to flight_path.json
[15:53] <DanielRichman> well does it matter either way? because JSON C libraries are a bit of a pain ;P
[15:54] <jonsowman> ah I see
[15:54] <jonsowman> well not reall
[15:54] <jonsowman> y
[15:54] <jonsowman> at the moment, there is php in place to read the CSV output and give it to the frontend in JSON format
[15:54] <DanielRichman> ok. I've implemented scenario.json already
[15:54] <DanielRichman> oh right, I see
[15:54] <jonsowman> when submitting a scenario, it's created and sent to the server in JSON
[15:55] <jonsowman> then PHP extracts info from the json and wrties it to INI
[15:55] <DanielRichman> ok
[15:56] <DanielRichman> fcgi apps are a total pain to debug >.>
[15:57] <jonsowman> oh I lied slightly
[15:57] <jonsowman> the form info is POSTed to the server
[15:57] <jonsowman> in an ajax request
[15:57] <DanielRichman> oh standard query-string format?
[15:57] <jonsowman> well, HTTP POST
[15:58] <jonsowman> so yes
[16:13] <DanielRichman> oh yeah, first segfault of the project
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[16:13] <jonsowman> DanielRichman: excellent
[16:13] <jonsowman> :D
[16:13] <jonsowman> what happened
[16:13] <DanielRichman> no clue.
[16:13] <DanielRichman> "Picked up teh phone.
[16:13] <jonsowman> did you ask it for a KML?
[16:13] <DanielRichman> Handling:
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[16:13] <jonsowman> that always makes it segfault here
[16:13] <DanielRichman> Segmentation fault
[16:15] <DanielRichman> It really should do something more dramatic
[16:15] <jonsowman> hehe
[16:15] <DanielRichman> I have a vbox just so I can beat stuff up like this and then wipe the disk
[16:16] <DanielRichman> oh I know what did it >.> doh
[16:23] <m1x10> hey anybody there
[16:23] <m1x10> ?
[16:26] <jonsowman> i'm sure some people are here
[16:26] <jonsowman> what's up?
[16:31] <m1x10> hey jonsowman
[16:32] <m1x10> can u explain to me again the dc coupled thing.
[16:32] <m1x10> eg: Audio input is 5v pkpk filtered and DC coupled internally
[16:37] <DanielRichman> m1x10: that means that the difference between the lowest and highest possible voltages allowed for input is 5v, ie. 0v-5v (peak to peak)
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[16:38] <DanielRichman> and it is "DC coupled" as opposed to "AC coupled". If it was AC coupled you would only be able to input a wave rather than a steady/flat voltage like we do. You don't need to worry about that, it means that it behaves as you'd expect
[16:38] <DanielRichman> filtered I imagine means they remove high frequency noise
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[16:40] <m1x10> DanielRichman thanks for your response
[16:40] <m1x10> but
[16:40] <m1x10> 1 first sentence you wrote goes to what? dc coupled? or pkpk?
[16:41] <m1x10> "the diff between low and high voltages" is for what?
[16:43] <DanielRichman> pkpk
[16:43] <DanielRichman> pkpk = peak to peak
[16:43] <m1x10> ok
[16:43] <m1x10> i understand pkpk
[16:44] <m1x10> the dc couple thing i dont know
[16:44] <m1x10> what is this? its use? why exists?
[16:44] <m1x10> those are my question :)
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[16:44] <DanielRichman> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sine_voltage.svg pkpk is a measure of amplitude
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[16:44] <DanielRichman> m1x10: DC coupled is stated to confirm/clarify that it is not AC coupled. SpeedEvil will probably shoot me for it, but you can think of DC-coupled being "normal"
[16:45] <DanielRichman> and AC coupled being the exception
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[16:45] <m1x10> yes man, I know some physics. Dont worry!
[16:45] <m1x10> ok, what's AC couple? its use? why exists?
[16:46] <DanielRichman> the wiki page isn't too bad for a brief introduction to AC coupling
[16:46] <DanielRichman> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC-coupled In analog circuits, a coupling capacitor is used to connect two circuits such that only the AC signal from the first circuit can pass through to the next while DC is blocked. This technique helps to isolate the DC bias settings of the two coupled circuits. Capacitive coupling is also known as AC coupling and the capacitor used for the purpose is known as a coupling or DC blocki
[16:46] <SpeedEvil> If you have an amplifier with a total gain of a million.
[16:46] <SpeedEvil> If you have a DC error of .01V on the input, the output will be 10000V.
[16:47] <SpeedEvil> This will probably be limited by the supply rails.
[16:47] <SpeedEvil> So it will 'stick' at +12V all the time (or whatever) and not do any useful amplification.
[16:48] <m1x10> so, AC coupled current means that is actually filtered from any DC current
[16:48] <m1x10> correct?
[16:48] <SpeedEvil> yes
[16:48] <m1x10> so DC coupled is filtered from AC current
[16:48] <SpeedEvil> no
[16:49] <SpeedEvil> DC coupled passes everything
[16:49] <SpeedEvil> AC coupled passes only AC
[16:49] <m1x10> so why we call dc coupled? it does nothing.
[16:50] <m1x10> Audio input is 5v pkpk filtered and DC coupled internally
[16:50] <m1x10> why to say it if it does nothing?
[16:50] <SpeedEvil> Because it means that it is not AC coupled
[16:51] <SpeedEvil> which means that if you apply 1.5V constantly, you will get a constant frequency
[16:51] <m1x10> so its allowed to have ac/dc both?
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[16:51] <SpeedEvil> It will not rapidly return to the 'default' frequency as it would in the case of an AC coupled inputr
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[16:52] <m1x10> so you tell me that this pin is capable of accepting both ac and dc current. Correct?
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[16:54] <m1x10> silence :) !!!
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[16:56] <DanielRichman> he explains it better than I do. Yeah, DC coupled will mean it can accept both
[16:57] <m1x10> yes he make me understand it now.
[16:58] <m1x10> I just wrote those things in my electronic notebook :)
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[17:03] <SpeedEvil> You're overthinking trhis.
[17:03] <SpeedEvil> The output frequency is F+f*voltage
[17:03] <SpeedEvil> where F=433 million or so, and f is 2000Hz or so
[17:03] <SpeedEvil> A DC coupled input simply means that it does not filter out DC. It does not mean it filters out AC
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[17:38] <DanielRichman> http://pastebin.com/d10DXXh9 that's what you get parsing JSON in C -.-
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[17:45] <jonsowman> DanielRichman: ew
[17:45] <DanielRichman> ino. jonsowman that's debugging fprintfs that I've added
[17:45] <DanielRichman> but that gives an idea of what's going on
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[17:46] <jonsowman> right
[17:46] <jonsowman> yea
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[17:48] <DanielRichman> http://pastebin.com/GpqFgqsh
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[17:54] <jonsowman> mm
[17:55] <jonsowman> http://github.com/jonsowman/cusf-standalone-predictor/graphs/punch_card
[17:55] <jonsowman> friday nights at 1am
[17:55] <jonsowman> really? oh god :|
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[18:24] <DanielRichman> I know the HTML is horrid, but there is some ajaxy goodness http://pastebin.com/PkWQwyUu
[18:24] <jonsowman> oh use jquery
[18:25] <jonsowman> makes ajax so much easier/cleaner/nicer/happier
[18:25] <jonsowman> looks good though
[18:25] <jonsowman> I'll do the jqueryish stuff if you like
[18:26] <DanielRichman> cool. I had that javascript lying around somewhere and I sort-of knew it worked, so just picked it up, but will go for jquery in the final, sure
[18:26] <jonsowman> ah right okay fair enough :)
[18:28] <jonsowman> that'll be much better to have predictor input/output as json
[18:28] <jonsowman> i like json :)
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[18:49] <DanielRichman> yuck. environ is so inefficient
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[20:10] <Randomskk> back
[20:10] <Randomskk> at last
[20:10] <Randomskk> json is so nice, shame C/C++ makes parsing json/yaml such a pita
[20:11] <Randomskk> new cherokee update
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[20:11] <Randomskk> jonsowman: flot (jquery graphs) is really quite decent
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[20:36] <DanielRichman> it'd be nice if the fastcgi devs had decided to put the environment in a hashtable rather than this environ array of char*s style thing.
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[20:37] <Randomskk> D:
[20:39] <DanielRichman> I mean, they're kind enough to provide a nice function to burn cpu cycles strncmping to find the key you want, but still...
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[21:11] <Upu> hmmpf still getting garbage in dl-fldigi
[21:11] <Upu> it sounds right
[21:11] <DanielRichman> record a wav /ogg/mp3 and send it :)
[21:11] <Upu> and looks right but not getting anything intelligent
[21:11] <Upu> sure !
[21:12] <Randomskk> if I was there I could totally help out with my scope. :o
[21:12] <DanielRichman> behave
[21:12] <Upu> yeah was thinking one would help :)
[21:12] <Randomskk> I hooked it up to a serial converter and set it so it triggers on each new waveform, then I can just type into it and see each character come up as a serial wave
[21:12] <Randomskk> :o
[21:12] <DanielRichman> :o
[21:12] <Randomskk> you can really see the endianness
[21:13] <Randomskk> U is all |_|-|_|-|_|-|_|-
[21:14] <DanielRichman> >
[21:14] <Randomskk> :O
[21:14] <Randomskk> that's a nice glyph
[21:14] <Randomskk> |>|_|>|_ etc then
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[21:15] <DanielRichman> Upu: fldigi can make recordings; File->audio iirc
[21:16] <Upu> Ok
[21:16] <Upu> this is me : http://ava.upuaut.net/files/upu-fl-digi.jpg
[21:17] <Upu> and this is what that sounded like : http://ava.upuaut.net/files/test.wav
[21:17] <Upu> my resistors are set to what should be a 425 shift
[21:17] <DanielRichman> ugh I wish putty autodetected links
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[21:17] <Upu> I should be working on a 1.79 / 2.00 V input
[21:17] <Randomskk> Upu: turn your volume way, way down
[21:18] <Randomskk> you should see two yellow bars and mostly blue
[21:18] <Upu> which is a 56K resistor and a 56k and 10k in series
[21:18] <Upu> heh ok
[21:18] <Randomskk> radio output volume that is
[21:18] <Randomskk> make sure you are on the right character settings - e.g. 8bit probably
[21:18] <Randomskk> try hitting Rv in the bottom there too
[21:19] <Upu> yeah it is 8 bit
[21:19] <Randomskk> I'm decoding it
[21:20] <DanielRichman> ok we'll start with the obvious one, that's more like 170 shift than 425
[21:20] <Upu> switch on the side of the radio is set to PH
[21:20] <DanielRichman> yeah I'm decoding it too
[21:20] <Randomskk> $$AVA,5,00:00:48,00.0,00.0,0,0,20,19*FD86
[21:20] <Upu> hey
[21:20] <Randomskk> turn your volume way down
[21:20] <Upu> :)
[21:20] <Upu> i just got a yellow bar and it's almost off
[21:21] <Randomskk> https://randomskk.net/u/waterfall.png
[21:21] <Randomskk> also try 350 shift
[21:21] <Randomskk> the two red bars should about line up with the yellow things in the waterfall
[21:21] <Randomskk> probably less than that, but it decodes at 350
[21:22] <Randomskk> anyway the good news is it decoded fine :P
[21:22] <DanielRichman> it decodes here for the $$call,num,time,00 and then drops
[21:22] <Randomskk> DanielRichman: has anyone updated cherokee on nessie?
[21:22] <Upu> lol I'm impressed it worked :) however I'm still getting rubbish :)
[21:23] <Upu> ok
[21:23] <Randomskk> Upu: volume way down, perhaps turn microphone boost off or microphone input down
[21:23] <Upu> hmm let me check that
[21:23] <Randomskk> set the shift to 350 or less and get the red lines over the yellow
[21:23] <DanielRichman> Randomskk: no. Is there a particular reason not to wait for https://launchpad.net/~cherokee-webserver/+archive/ppa ? (1.0.5 is installed from there)
[21:23] <Randomskk> Upu: oh, and click Rv if your fldigi is set to USB
[21:23] <Randomskk> the data is in LSB
[21:23] <Randomskk> DanielRichman: no, I guess not
[21:24] <Upu> where do I check that
[21:24] <DanielRichman> for some reason that ppa has marked 1.0.1 as the "latest" but I think that's a mistake. 1.0.5 debs are in there
[21:24] <Randomskk> Upu: near the bottom
[21:24] <DanielRichman> see https://launchpad.net/~cherokee-webserver/+archive/ppa/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all
[21:24] <Randomskk> on the right
[21:24] <Upu> ooooo data
[21:25] <Upu> missing a carriage return :)
[21:25] <Randomskk> :D
[21:25] <Randomskk> and yes, you are :P
[21:25] <Upu> holy crap I made something that works
[21:25] <Randomskk> success!
[21:26] <Upu> hmm so my shift is out
[21:26] <Upu> way out :)
[21:26] <Randomskk> it would appear so
[21:26] <Upu> I blame Maplins
[21:26] <Randomskk> hehe
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[21:27] <Laurenceb> hi
[21:27] <Randomskk> yo
[21:27] <Randomskk> how's that nightmare of a pin change going
[21:28] <Laurenceb> heh I've been rather ill last few days
[21:28] <Laurenceb> think I worked out how do do it
[21:28] <DanielRichman> at what point does it become worthwhile to use a hashtable rather than a few strncmps? (ctx cgi PAGE_INFO (last part of the URL) matching against 3-8 strings 4-10chars long)
[21:28] <Laurenceb> some kind of weird stomach bug - really high temperature and couldnt eat much :(
[21:29] <Randomskk> DanielRichman: to be honest, the real life performance difference is going to be negligable
[21:29] <Randomskk> Laurenceb: :(
[21:29] <DanielRichman> true, but gperf is just cool
[21:30] <Randomskk> hah
[21:30] <DanielRichman> I wonder if it can handle function pointers; then I'd have the equivilant of a django urls-conf
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[21:36] <Laurenceb> felling back close to 100% today luckily :D
[21:36] <Laurenceb> *feeling
[21:36] <Randomskk> :D
[21:37] <Randomskk> until you load eagle anyway
[21:37] <Laurenceb> heh
[21:37] <Laurenceb> I've got the usart pins to the jst connector
[21:37] <Randomskk> oh cool
[21:37] <Laurenceb> just reding all the msh of pwm lines to the left of the stm32
[21:37] <Randomskk> right
[21:37] <Laurenceb> should be done soon
[21:38] <Laurenceb> I need to change the order to make it possible without tons of vias
[21:38] <m1x10> hi all
[21:39] <m1x10> I just finished my aprs case box
[21:39] <Laurenceb> as in which pwm line is which number
[21:39] <m1x10> http://imagebin.org/109356
[21:39] <m1x10> :)
[21:39] <Laurenceb> :D
[21:39] <m1x10> I can hear your comments
[21:39] <Randomskk> m1x10: looks quite pretty, though you should definitely connect the radio's RFGND to the ground of your antenna connector
[21:40] <DanielRichman> looks like it floats :P
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[21:40] <m1x10> Randomskk, thank you. Where is the antenna ground ? lol
[21:40] <Randomskk> m1x10: the outer ring of the connector
[21:40] <Randomskk> your wire is going to the centre pin
[21:40] <m1x10> the white thing?
[21:40] <DanielRichman> some have a massive tab
[21:41] <Randomskk> the white thing is probably plastic and very unlikely to be conductive
[21:41] <m1x10> yea
[21:41] <m1x10> so the metallic ?
[21:42] <m1x10> Randomskk the simple blue wire is big enough to destroy the signal ?
[21:42] <m1x10> DanielRichman heh :)
[21:42] <Randomskk> not 'destroy', but it is acting as an antenna and messing everything up. ideally you would have a similar little coax socket on your PCB right next to the radio, and use a short piece of coax to connect the two
[21:42] <DanielRichman> you could move the arduino closer
[21:43] <m1x10> no arduino is drilled !
[21:43] <m1x10> fixes position
[21:43] <m1x10> fixed:)
[21:43] <m1x10> Randomskk show me a pic of the coax socket plz
[21:43] <DanielRichman> m1x10: what frequency are you using?
[21:43] <m1x10> see the photo ! :)
[21:46] <DanielRichman> right so 1/4wave whip for 144mhz is (300/144)/4 = ~52cm. Add 5cm to that - in reality it's tuned to more like ((0.52+0.05)*4)=131MHz
[21:46] <m1x10> antenna is 80cm and my band 2m
[21:47] Action: DanielRichman googles product #
[21:47] <Randomskk> it's a bit more complicated than that m1x10
[21:47] <DanielRichman> telescoping?
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[21:47] <DanielRichman> so are you going to tune it ?
[21:47] <m1x10> yea telescopic
[21:47] <Randomskk> the antenna is for the 80cm band, or the antenna is 80cm long?
[21:47] <m1x10> is 80cm
[21:47] <m1x10> long
[21:47] <Randomskk> yes
[21:47] <DanielRichman> 7.9" retracted, 31.7" fully extended, 6 sections
[21:48] <m1x10> its for many bands
[21:48] <DanielRichman> 20cm to 80cm?
[21:48] <Randomskk> however, it is presumably designed for the 2m band, among others
[21:48] <Randomskk> your transmitter is still doing 144
[21:48] <Randomskk> your antenna is just going to be badly matched
[21:48] <Randomskk> it won't change what frequency it transmits on
[21:49] <m1x10> badly matched?
[21:49] <m1x10> you scare me man !
[21:49] <Randomskk> for maximum power transfer your antenna should be tuned to the same frequency as the signal
[21:49] <Randomskk> in this case, 144MHz
[21:50] <m1x10> how to tune the antenna at 144 ?
[21:50] <Randomskk> however, that extra bit of wire you have connecting the radio to your antenna is itself part of the antenna because it's just a bit of wire, not a coax cable
[21:50] <m1x10> isnt it already?
[21:50] <Randomskk> and thus it makes the antenna longer
[21:50] <Randomskk> and so makes it a different frequency
[21:50] <m1x10> lol
[21:50] <DanielRichman> I guess if you extended the antenna to 43-7cm ish?
[21:50] <m1x10> max length is 80cm
[21:50] <m1x10> i can lower it down
[21:51] <Randomskk> DanielRichman: that won't help though, tuning your receive antenna to not-144 will just make matters even worse
[21:51] <DanielRichman> Randomskk: his transmit antenna is the telescoping one
[21:51] <Randomskk> ah, right
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[21:51] <Randomskk> in which case yes I guess kind of
[21:51] <Randomskk> probably the kind of thing you'd want to do while watching an s meter
[21:51] <m1x10> http://www.rfparts.com/diamond/rh789.html
[21:53] <m1x10> plz dont confuse me ! Just tell me what can be done to improve the signal :(
[21:53] <Randomskk> using a short length of coax to connect the radio to the antenna, really.
[21:53] <m1x10> coax wire?
[21:53] <m1x10> ok
[21:53] <m1x10> someone said i need a coax socket
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[21:53] <DanielRichman> well there's a second problem; m1x10, have you been paying attention to what length you extend the antenna to?
[21:53] <m1x10> can someone show me a pic of a coax socket?
[21:53] <DanielRichman> you've got one
[21:54] <m1x10> DanielRichman the BNC connector you mean?
[21:54] <DanielRichman> yes
[21:54] <Randomskk> http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=224360
[21:54] <m1x10> ok I have that. its there.
[21:55] <m1x10> the coax wire?
[21:55] <Randomskk> you need two
[21:55] <Randomskk> one goes on the radio
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[21:55] <Randomskk> as close to the radio as possible
[21:55] <DanielRichman> I don't think that this will have much effect if the antenna is extended to 80cm
[21:55] <m1x10> I know the RG family but its too big !
[21:55] <Randomskk> connected to the radio's RFGND and RF output
[21:55] <Randomskk> the other on the antenna
[21:55] <Randomskk> then, you use a short small piece of coax to connect between the two
[21:55] <Randomskk> to be honest, probably not all that much of an effect, no.
[21:55] <m1x10> ok Randomskk. I have that in mind. closed for now.
[21:56] <m1x10> coax wire link plz !
[21:56] <m1x10> dont tell me I have to use RG / WBC / LMR...........
[21:57] <m1x10> DanielRichman Should I lower the antenna ?
[21:57] <Randomskk> maybe RG174
[21:57] <Randomskk> 2.8mm diameter
[22:01] <Upu> DanielRichman on Alien was the input to the NTX2 i.e the data line 3V ?
[22:02] <m1x10> Randomskk ok i will buy the RG174
[22:02] <m1x10> ping DanielRichman
[22:02] <Randomskk> I wanna get me some rg174 to play with actually
[22:02] <DanielRichman> Upu: what do you mean?
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[22:02] <Upu> Looking at this :
[22:02] <Upu> http://alienproject.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/radiometrix-circuit-diagram.png
[22:03] <Upu> and trying to work out your voltages etc
[22:03] <DanielRichman> ohright yeah we had a 5v arduino
[22:03] <Upu> smart ok
[22:03] <DanielRichman> but to be honest, don't bother with that, there are much easier ways to do it
[22:03] <DanielRichman> you only need one resistor if you pick the right one.
[22:03] <Upu> hmm any examples
[22:03] <Upu> as my voltage divider is giving me headaches
[22:04] <m1x10> DanielRichman Should I lower the antenna ?
[22:04] <Upu> I know it has 100k resistor to ground in the NTX2
[22:05] <DanielRichman> right IIRC (correct me, it's somewhere on the datasheet) the ntx2's TXD input resistance is 100K? so if you were doing 1pin serial, and you wanted 0.0v and 0.3v you could use a 1M6 in series (Arduino txd 5v) -- [1m6] -- ntx2 txd (100K) -- 0V
[22:05] <DanielRichman> I think that's correct. Ask Randomskk, he was shouting about using one or two resistors only.
[22:05] <Randomskk> seems like it would work
[22:06] <Randomskk> to be honest someone with an ntx2 just needs to get some high value resistors and give it a test
[22:06] <DanielRichman> it's not like you can blow anything up with a 1m6 resistor in series
[22:06] <Randomskk> wouldn't take long
[22:06] <Upu> let me punch that in the circuit sim
[22:06] <DanielRichman> Upu: yeah you need to simulate the resistance of the ntx2's input to ground
[22:06] <Upu> doing that b
[22:11] <Upu> annoyingly the circuit sim only goes up to 99.2k
[22:11] <DanielRichman> that's um. quite a way off :)
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[22:12] <Upu> yup can you remember what the voltages were out of your divider ?
[22:12] <DanielRichman> 0.9 and 1.2 ish?
[22:12] <DanielRichman> i'm not 100% sure
[22:13] <Upu> 0.985 and 0.775
[22:13] <Upu> according to the sim if it's to believed :)
[22:16] <Upu> wait a sec
[22:16] <Upu> is that 100K ohm in series or down to ground ?
[22:17] <DanielRichman> um I'm on windows... besides ascii art let's see what drawing tools I have...
[22:17] <DanielRichman> mspaint let's go
[22:17] <Upu> TXD ------+--100k---
[22:17] <Upu> Res
[22:18] <Upu> GND -----+-----
[22:18] <Upu> where res is between the TXD and GND
[22:21] <DanielRichman> http://i.imgur.com/6PD7O.png
[22:21] <Upu> hmm in that case I don't get it :)
[22:21] <Upu> 1 sec
[22:22] <DanielRichman> I have an NiM2 but not a spare ntx2 lying around here. If I had a ntx2 I'd demonstrate 1-pin serial and blog it.
[22:23] <DanielRichman> aah input characteristics are identical
[22:24] <Upu> http://ava.upuaut.net/files/wibble.jpg
[22:24] <DanielRichman> Upu: that software goes higher than 100K resistance if you type in the box
[22:24] <Upu> ok
[22:25] <Upu> however if I put the 100K to ground and change the top one the voltages don't make sense
[22:25] <DanielRichman> Upu: the point of R_SPACE and R_MARK is that one is connected to ground while the other is connected to 5v
[22:25] <DanielRichman> let me build it
[22:25] <Upu> no wait
[22:25] <Upu> penny
[22:26] <Upu> might be dropping possible
[22:27] <Upu> he says
[22:28] <DanielRichman> Upu: File, Import, copypaste this text in.
[22:28] <DanielRichman> http://pastebin.com/hrNiBNHG
[22:30] <Upu> ah
[22:30] <DanielRichman> and this: http://pastebin.com/UxMasUd5 is doing it with 1 pin 1 resistor ( Randomskk )
[22:30] <DanielRichman> the software, for those that don't have it, is
[22:30] <DanielRichman> http://www.falstad.com/circuit/
[22:31] <DanielRichman> (java, open the link and it will just start if you have that trash installed)
[22:31] <Upu> lol
[22:31] <Upu> yeah I love Java too
[22:31] <Upu> invertor
[22:31] <DanielRichman> yeah that's just for demonstrative purposes.
[22:32] <DanielRichman> in reality R_SPACE and R_MARK are connected to two atmega pins/arduino pins which are both set as digital OUTPUTS and then set LOW or HIGH
[22:32] <DanielRichman> one is low while the other is high, etc.
[22:32] <Upu> you know I have a degree in electronic engineer and I did all this stuff 10 years ago and guess how much I can remeber :/
[22:32] <Upu> engineering even
[22:32] <Upu> Might go in the loft and get my old stuff down and read it again
[22:33] <DanielRichman> :o
[22:33] <DanielRichman> if you have a 1m6 resistor lying around you might want to try the 1pin 1resistor thing
[22:33] <DanielRichman> if it works it might make things a lot easier
[22:33] <DanielRichman> I don't know how the transmission will come out though at 0.0v and 0.3v, so it might be a massive waste of your time
[22:34] <Upu> I could always go get one from Maplins it's only down the road
[22:34] <DanielRichman> why do all of you live so near to elec shops? it's not fair.
[22:36] <Randomskk> farnell
[22:36] <Randomskk> free next day delivery for all orders before 8pm
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[22:37] <DanielRichman> -.-
[22:38] <DanielRichman> freenode is useless
[22:38] <DanielRichman> Randomskk: and farnell have this massive minimum order, which is fair enough I guess. They are crazy fast though :P
[22:38] <Randomskk> not if you have an account :D
[22:38] <DanielRichman> wait, what!?
[22:38] <DanielRichman> explain!
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[22:40] <Randomskk> sure
[22:40] <Randomskk> one sec
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[22:42] <DanielRichman> http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/support/support.jsp?formpage=farnell/en_UK/support/credit_account.jsp ?
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[22:43] <Randomskk> https://randomskk.net/u/farnell.jpg
[22:43] <DanielRichman> so you have an account and your purchases get pooled and you pay later on (using a credit card)? does that monthly-payment have to reach a minimum value?
[22:43] <Randomskk> no
[22:43] <Randomskk> I don't really understand exactly
[22:44] <Randomskk> I just got that letter from them one day
[22:44] <DanielRichman> and suddenly were in electronic component buying heaven
[22:44] <DanielRichman> that's just... like... what... eh (thank you for the pic) :)
[22:44] <SpeedEvil> neat
[22:44] <DanielRichman> PS: why https on randomskk.net?
[22:44] <Randomskk> I just https everything where possible really
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[22:45] <Randomskk> server overhead is minimal
[22:45] <Randomskk> means I can happily run things on it that might need crypto, e.g. phpmyadmin
[22:45] <Randomskk> back in the day, webmail
[22:45] <DanielRichman> mmm, fair enough
[22:46] <Randomskk> plus check out the card they gave me
[22:46] <Randomskk> I mean, it's not in the scan
[22:46] <Randomskk> but you can imagine
[22:47] <DanielRichman> did you buy an unholy amount of stuff?
[22:48] <Randomskk> not really
[22:48] <Randomskk> adding it up
[22:49] <Randomskk> £850 total
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[22:50] <m1x10> gnite all !
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[22:51] <DanielRichman> yeah I don't think I've reached that yet
[22:51] <Randomskk> but like
[22:51] <Randomskk> £350 of that was the scope last weekend
[22:51] <Randomskk> so £500ish
[22:52] <DanielRichman> brb
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[22:57] <DanielRichman> back
[22:57] <Randomskk> I don't really understand the whole farnell account thing
[22:57] <Randomskk> I should probably just get a credit account
[22:57] <Randomskk> not really a company though
[22:58] <DanielRichman> hmm that's never a problem with the free samples :P
[22:58] <Randomskk> :P
[22:58] <Upu> thx for that circuit
[22:58] <Randomskk> would be interested to see if the one resistor thing works
[22:58] <DanielRichman> of course it works (!)
[22:58] <DanielRichman> does making it work with an NiM2 count?
[22:59] <Randomskk> I don't see why not? seem thing isn't it, by and large?
[22:59] <Upu> i put my current resistors in and I should be getting way over 425 seperation
[22:59] <Upu> and I'm not so still confused :)
[22:59] <DanielRichman> ;)
[22:59] <Upu> 0.32v is my difference
[22:59] <DanielRichman> yeah it is the same thing. However, I don't have a 1m6 resistor I think
[23:00] <DanielRichman> which might spoil it a bit.
[23:00] <Randomskk> anything nearby?
[23:00] <Upu> Thats 640 seperation
[23:00] <Randomskk> got a resistor multipack or anything?
[23:00] <DanielRichman> http://www.maplin.co.uk/module.aspx?moduleno=2163
[23:00] <DanielRichman> that one. max is 1M
[23:00] <Randomskk> so use three for 1.5M
[23:01] <earthshine> evening
[23:01] <Upu> hi
[23:01] <Upu> I'll come back to this tommorrow it's getting late
[23:01] <Upu> thanks for the help again
[23:02] <DanielRichman> *even though* I know it's the same thing, it's not the same having 1M + 680 in series and labling it 1 resistor rtty
[23:02] <Randomskk> not worth buying a 1.6m if it's not going to work though
[23:02] <Randomskk> worth seeing it if works in theory as a single resitor
[23:02] <Randomskk> resistor
[23:02] <DanielRichman> OK. I'll build it tomorrow :)
[23:03] <DanielRichman> if it works, Upu can you build it with a real 1M6 and take a photo ? :)
[23:03] <Upu> sure
[23:04] <DanielRichman> awesome
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[23:06] <Upu> uh oh maths fail
[23:06] <Upu> where did I get deviantion of 6khz from ?
[23:07] <Upu> oh -3k to +3k
[23:09] <Upu> ok I'm calling it a night
[23:09] <Upu> thanks again
[23:09] <DanielRichman> night
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[23:35] <stilldavid> ping Randomskk
[23:35] <Randomskk> yo
[23:35] <stilldavid> hey, thinking about getting a linode
[23:35] <stilldavid> just for fun
[23:35] <Randomskk> go for it
[23:35] <stilldavid> saw you mention on the list, you want a referrer?
[23:36] <Randomskk> ooh, sure.
[23:36] <DanielRichman> lmao
[23:36] <stilldavid> just gonna get a 512, and not sure what's in it for you...
[23:36] <Randomskk> yoc036ac8fa1560b24007a442a4fdc0941ebb2293e
[23:36] <Randomskk> I think I get some money off after you've been a user for a while
[23:36] <Randomskk> here we go. "If someone signs up using your referral code, you'll receive a credit of $20.00, so long as the person you referred remains an active customer for 90 days."
[23:37] <Randomskk> uh
[23:37] <Randomskk> -yo
[23:37] <Randomskk> c036ac8fa1560b24007a442a4fdc0941ebb2293e
[23:37] <stilldavid> which one?
[23:37] <Randomskk> the latter.
[23:37] <Randomskk> it's the same but without the 'yo' I said earlier prepended
[23:37] <Randomskk> the problem with middle click pasting is that my mouse has a very sensitive scroll wheel and tends to scroll up a bit then click
[23:37] <Randomskk> so it goes up a few messages, then appends
[23:37] <stilldavid> got it
[23:38] <Randomskk> cool
[23:38] <Randomskk> thanks :D
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[23:40] <stilldavid> done and done
[23:40] <Randomskk> yay, 1 pending referral :D
[23:41] <stilldavid> I'll probably move my stuff over there if it's as good as I hope; getting fed up with my current host
[23:41] <Randomskk> I have only excellent things to say about them
[23:42] <Randomskk> I rebooted my server once after provisioning after some updates and configuration and it's been up with no downtime ever since, 100 days by the end of the month
[23:42] <Randomskk> support is great
[23:42] <DanielRichman> I can't justify a reason for having one, but if I could, I would. Linode looks very cool.
[23:42] <Randomskk> join their IRC channel btw
[23:42] <Randomskk> it's on OFTC, #linode
[23:42] <Randomskk> if you run into any problems with any kind of server config you can just ask away
[23:42] <Randomskk> DanielRichman: hehe
[23:42] <Randomskk> running your own server is loads of fun but I guess you can do that without a linode, you always have nessie anyway
[23:43] <stilldavid> I offload mail to Google apps, which is the only thing I really loathe
[23:43] <Randomskk> you loathe google apps, or setting up mail?
[23:43] <Randomskk> I totally agree with one of those two sentiments :P
[23:44] <DanielRichman> yeah I use google apps too. The only thing about that is that it'd be nice if there was a quick way to forward an email to an external address
[23:44] <stilldavid> maintaining mail servers
[23:44] <Randomskk> stilldavid: I totally agree :P
[23:44] <Randomskk> I set up and maintained a multiuser multidomain mailserver for about two years before moving to google, it's so much better
[23:44] <stilldavid> DanielRichman, Settings ->Forwarding
[23:44] <stilldavid> ?
[23:44] <Randomskk> DanielRichman: what? yea ^?
[23:44] <DanielRichman> Yeah
[23:44] <DanielRichman> but
[23:44] <DanielRichman> you have the whole email interface thing
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[23:45] <Randomskk> oh, you mean from the domain admin page?
[23:45] <stilldavid> rather than a .forward or something
[23:45] <DanielRichman> and have to create an account, then log in as it, then setup forwarding
[23:45] <Randomskk> I guess
[23:45] <stilldavid> actually, I think they fixed that recently
[23:46] <stilldavid> yeah, if I log into the domain CP, then email addresses, I can add forwarding addresses that don't have accounts associated with them
[23:46] <stilldavid> not sure if I had that before
[23:46] <Randomskk> :o
[23:46] <stilldavid> "nicknames"
[23:47] <Randomskk> I don't seem able to add
[23:47] <DanielRichman> nicknames?
[23:47] <Randomskk> nicknames are local aliases
[23:47] <DanielRichman> yeah
[23:47] <DanielRichman> you can alias an email addr to an account
[23:48] <stilldavid> eg: webmaster@stilldavid goes to me@stilldavid
[23:48] <DanielRichman> but I want myemail@mydomain.co.uk to go to myemail@gmail.com in 1 click
[23:48] <stilldavid> oh, gotcha. Yeah, that's a bummer :-/
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[23:51] <stilldavid> wow, so you can have multiple VMs even on small slices like a 512?
[23:51] <stilldavid> this is cool
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