highaltitude.log.20100805

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[00:04] <Laurenceb> hi
[00:05] <jonsowman> hiya
[00:07] <Wild-Wing> hi
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[01:06] <Wild-Wing> whats everyone doing
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[01:11] <SpeedEvil> I am killing rats.
[01:12] <SpeedEvil> That makes _15_ since around a month ago.
[01:12] <SpeedEvil> I thoght I had mice in the walls, and they were not getting caght by traps, which confused me.
[01:13] <SpeedEvil> In fact they were getting caught - but as they were rats, the traps bounced off.
[01:22] <Wild-Wing> wow
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[08:29] <earthshine> morning
[08:30] <m1x10> morning
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[08:38] <fsphil> morning already, bah :)
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[10:31] <jonsowman> ping Upu
[10:32] <jonsowman> UKHAS server just rebooted..?
[10:36] <jonsowman> and Host Key has changed
[10:36] <jonsowman> anyone know what's going on?
[10:39] Action: DanielRichman pokes jonsowman
[10:39] <jonsowman> ah hello
[10:39] <jonsowman> are you responsible for that? :P
[10:40] <DanielRichman> mebe >.>
[10:40] <jonsowman> :D
[10:40] <jonsowman> hows it going?
[10:40] <DanielRichman> jonsowman: trying to choose a hostname
[10:40] <DanielRichman> ie. something.habhub.org
[10:40] <jonsowman> ukhas
[10:40] <DanielRichman> (nb. we don't have the domain yet)
[10:40] <jonsowman> shall i grab the domain?
[10:40] <DanielRichman> up to you
[10:41] <DanielRichman> jonsowman: you and adam give your vpses wacky names
[10:41] <jonsowman> ukhas.hexoc.com points to that IP currently
[10:41] <jonsowman> yeh mine are all Red Dwarf characters
[10:41] <jonsowman> adam's are D&D
[10:41] <jonsowman> do you need something that forward-DNS resolves to the IP?
[10:42] <DanielRichman> not immediatly
[10:42] <DanielRichman> we'll need that to setup th e rdns but until then, no
[10:42] <jonsowman> right
[10:42] <jonsowman> you got any ideas for hostname?
[10:42] <DanielRichman> nope.
[10:43] <jonsowman> hmm
[10:43] <jonsowman> difficult one
[10:43] <jonsowman> hub.habhub.org?
[10:44] <DanielRichman> well the box is arguably a monster rack what with the (4?) hard drives
[10:44] <jonsowman> i'm rubbish at this
[10:44] <DanielRichman> so perhaps a monster related name
[10:45] <jonsowman> adam is good at this, shame he's at work
[10:46] <jonsowman> i've got a few hostnames lined up for upcoming servers
[10:46] <jonsowman> none of them monster related though
[10:48] <jonsowman> so what's the status of the server at the moment?
[10:49] <DanielRichman> centos is running again
[10:49] <jonsowman> what happened?
[10:49] <Upu> hi
[10:49] <jonsowman> hi Upu
[10:49] <jonsowman> sorry ignore the earlier ping
[10:50] <Upu> no problems
[10:50] <DanielRichman> jonsowman: loch ness monster or kraken related?
[10:50] <Upu> that was a manual reboot yen ?
[10:50] <Upu> yen=then :/
[10:50] <jonsowman> nessie.habhub.org
[10:50] <jonsowman> haha
[10:50] <Upu> lol
[10:50] <Upu> just hang fire I've not arranged access yet
[10:50] <DanielRichman> then it's settled then
[10:51] <jonsowman> or kraken.habhub.org
[10:51] <Upu> ah techies and their naming conventions :)
[10:51] <jonsowman> haha
[10:52] <jonsowman> :D
[10:52] <Upu> primary_core_alpha_prime.habhub.org
[10:53] <jonsowman> lol
[10:53] <Upu> thats a mans hostname
[10:53] <Upu> "nessie"
[10:53] Action: Upu face palm
[10:53] <jonsowman> hahaha :D
[10:56] <jonsowman> so DanielRichman, how do I pull changes from my predictor repo on github to the ukhas owned repo?
[10:57] <jonsowman> do I have to clone locally, add my repo as "upstream", then fetch and merge, then push back?
[10:57] <DanielRichman> I think that there's a github webinterface to pull changes
[10:57] <jonsowman> oh there is?
[10:58] <jonsowman> ok
[10:58] <DanielRichman> if you change to the ukhas context and open the repo and then choose fork queue
[10:58] <DanielRichman> otherwise yeah you'd have to clone git@github.com:ukhas/cusf-standalone-predictor.git pull and push
[10:59] <jonsowman> right
[11:00] <jonsowman> hey it worked
[11:00] <jonsowman> that's neat
[11:05] <jonsowman> github is excellent :)
[11:05] <fsphil> all hail the hub
[11:06] <jonsowman> definitely
[11:06] <jonsowman> how's things fsphil?
[11:07] <fsphil> not to bad thanks, you?
[11:08] <jonsowman> yea fine thanks :)
[11:11] <DanielRichman> so jonsowman; no hostname ideas?
[11:12] <jonsowman> DanielRichman: http://pastie.org/1077069
[11:12] <jonsowman> that's my list
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[11:13] <jonsowman> are any of those any good?
[11:13] <DanielRichman> do they all follow the same pattern? RD?
[11:13] <jonsowman> not all
[11:13] <jonsowman> most of the red dwarf ones have been used
[11:13] <jonsowman> remaining RD ones are holly, rimmer, cat, camille
[11:13] <DanielRichman> ic
[11:14] <jonsowman> queeg, legion, kryten, lister, hudzen have all been used
[11:14] <jonsowman> the rest are non-RD
[11:15] <Upu> ok
[11:15] <Upu> whos reloading that box ?
[11:15] <Upu> because I need you to do it ASAP to see if we need to arrange access on Sat
[11:16] <DanielRichman> OK
[11:16] <DanielRichman> we can always change the hostname later. For now; it's "nessie"
[11:16] <jonsowman> haha cool
[11:17] <Upu> is that something you can do today ?
[11:17] <DanielRichman> I'll do it now.
[11:17] <DanielRichman> if that's ok with you
[11:20] <DanielRichman> ping Upu
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[11:23] <Upu> sorry
[11:23] <Upu> phone keeps ringing
[11:23] <Upu> sure go for it
[11:23] <DanielRichman> ok cool; You're logged in; just wanted to make sure you wern't doing anything
[11:24] <Upu> yeah sorry
[11:27] <jonsowman> how exciting
[11:27] <Upu> good luck
[11:27] <Upu> may the pink duct tape be with you
[11:27] <jonsowman> haha
[11:27] <jonsowman> :D
[11:27] <DanielRichman> the installer has started
[11:27] <DanielRichman> just need to wait a minute for it to download and start sshd
[11:28] <jonsowman> :)
[11:29] <Upu> reboot BIOS is a few mins
[11:29] <Upu> checks to make sure it still has all the fans it had yesterday etc
[11:29] <DanielRichman> yeah I did notice that the pre-os stages took a little while
[11:31] <Upu> its not the newest of servers, hard drives are only a year old but the rest of the kit is probably over 4
[11:31] <DanielRichman> I notice that you've put var usr home etc. on separate partitons. Would you like me to do that?
[11:32] <DanielRichman> usually I just put it all on one
[11:32] <Upu> entirely your choice
[11:32] <Upu> I tend to do it so if something goes daft
[11:32] <Upu> like mail it doesn't use all the space up on root
[11:33] <Upu> but if you configure LVM you can resize as needed
[11:40] <Upu> well it's responding to pings :)
[11:46] <jonsowman> this will be awesome if it works
[11:46] <jonsowman> hows it going DanielRichman ?
[11:46] <DanielRichman> 650GB home 650GB var 100GB tmp 100GB usr sound OK?
[11:46] <Upu> sounds too much :)
[11:46] <DanielRichman> well; I won't create a usr one as that can just go on /
[11:47] <Upu> normally I do 20Gb /var /usr 1Gb /Tmp whatever swap 20Gb / and the rest down /home
[11:47] <Upu> but its your server :)
[11:47] <Upu> you going to be generating 100Gb tmp files ?
[11:48] <russss> meh, just slap everything on /
[11:48] <DanielRichman> I don't know where jonsowman puts the gfs
[11:48] <Upu> what russ said
[11:48] <DanielRichman> everything on / does make it easier. Upu is right though about a daemon going crazy
[11:48] <jonsowman> dont worry the predictor won't need much space
[11:48] <DanielRichman> however the daemon that goes crazy would have to be executing as root
[11:48] <russss> the added protection is probably not worth your possible annoyance when you find out you allocated it wrong.
[11:49] <Upu> well thats what LVM is for russss but yeah give 100Mb/ boot , some swap and the rest on /root
[11:49] <Upu> it's got 3Gb of RAM in
[11:49] <DanielRichman> OK if we're not going to be messing with many different partitons do you still want LVM?
[11:49] <Upu> no point really
[11:50] <russss> true, but you still can't shrink with LVM. So then you get the amusement of having to repeatedly resize partitions in small chunks
[11:50] <DanielRichman> we uh don't even need a /boot partition if we're not using lvm
[11:50] <russss> then your usage pattern changes and your partition layout is still wrong ;)
[11:51] <jonsowman> are we sticking everyone on / then?
[11:51] <DanielRichman> yup.
[11:52] <jonsowman> cool
[11:53] <SpeedEvil> I personally recommend a small /root and /home that you can backup easily
[11:53] <SpeedEvil> I'm now on 16G
[11:54] <SpeedEvil> that I mirror to a SD
[11:54] <DanielRichman> I usually do file level backups
[11:54] <SpeedEvil> yeah - here too
[11:54] <DanielRichman> rsync?
[11:54] <SpeedEvil> yes
[11:54] <DanielRichman> high five :P
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[11:55] <Upu> logicaldrive 1 (16.4 TB, RAID 5, OK)
[11:55] <Upu> thats sat in the rack next to it if you want some backup space :)
[11:56] <DanielRichman> :o
[11:56] <DanielRichman> what do you mean by... sat in the rack next to it?
[11:56] <DanielRichman> what's it connected to?
[11:56] <Upu> well below it in the rack
[11:56] <Upu> its a backup server
[11:57] <DanielRichman> You've been incredibly generous to ukhas :o
[11:57] <Upu> I hate seeing stuff go to waste
[11:59] <Upu> right I'm off to get some food
[11:59] <DanielRichman> cya
[11:59] <Upu> back in a bit, will still need a list of authorised contacts for support at some point
[11:59] <jonsowman> oh yes, will sort that
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[12:01] <DanielRichman> holy cow I could do with a 'net connection like this
[12:01] <jonsowman> hehe
[12:01] <jonsowman> apt-get upgrade quick?
[12:02] <DanielRichman> you bet
[12:04] <DanielRichman> linux-server or linux-image-server (the difference is that linux-server pulls in linux-firmware which is icky; I don't know if we'll need it)
[12:05] <DanielRichman> can always change later
[12:05] <jonsowman> i don't know tbh
[12:06] <DanielRichman> changingn from the former to the latter just requires marking the latter as manually installed and purging the first which should take linux-firmware with it
[12:07] <jonsowman> oh right I see
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[12:12] <DanielRichman> "oh, I see you've selected ubuntu-standard for install. Don't worry about waiting, I'll download the entirety of a ubuntu base system in 5s"
[12:12] <jonsowman> :o
[12:13] <jonsowman> is this server edition?
[12:14] <DanielRichman> I'm using the netboot/mini.iso installer
[12:15] <DanielRichman> its essentially the same as the alternate cd but has no packages on the disk
[12:15] <jonsowman> ah right
[12:15] <jonsowman> I understand
[12:15] <DanielRichman> hence the entire installer can be loaded into ram and you can destroy the partitions that held it
[12:18] <DanielRichman> oh dear oh dear.
[12:18] <DanielRichman> Linux nessie 2.6.32-24-server #39-Ubuntu SMP Wed Jul 28 06:21:40 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[12:18] <DanielRichman> Ubuntu 10.04.1 LTS
[12:18] <DanielRichman> pink payload.
[12:18] <DanielRichman> Welcome to the Ubuntu Server!
[12:18] <jonsowman> :D
[12:18] <jonsowman> bloody hell mate. that's impressive
[12:18] <DanielRichman> nowthen, adam gave me a checklist
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[12:18] <jonsowman> could you whack my ssh key on there so I can poke it?
[12:18] <jonsowman> or just user/pass for the moment
[12:19] <DanielRichman> ssh key is easier; give me a sec
[12:19] <jonsowman> thanks
[12:23] <DanielRichman> jonsowman: go ahead and connect
[12:23] <jonsowman> yay
[12:23] <jonsowman> thanks :)
[12:26] <juxta|console> awesome work DanielRichman
[12:28] <jonsowman> yay vim
[12:30] <DanielRichman> tbh shouldn't etckeeper also 'keep' /var/lib/dpkg (or wherever it is)?
[12:31] <jonsowman> why's that?
[12:33] <jonsowman> DanielRichman: can you `sudo chown -R jon:jon /home/jon/.ssh` please
[12:33] <DanielRichman> oh so sorry
[12:33] <jonsowman> that's alright lol
[12:33] <jonsowman> just can't add keys atm
[12:33] <DanielRichman> jonsowman: to track and protect changes to packages installed
[12:42] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: well its already logged in /var/log/dpkg.log
[12:43] <DanielRichman> fair
[12:43] <DanielRichman> though that might get rotated out
[12:43] <DanielRichman> git doesn't lose stuff without a fight
[12:44] <Upu> haha
[12:44] <Upu> high five to that pink payload it is :)
[12:45] <jonsowman> excellent
[12:45] <jonsowman> so a nice happy OS and Upu doesn't have to drive out :)
[12:46] <Upu> super
[12:46] <jonsowman> oh and we all get the amusement of a pink payload
[12:48] <Upu> Yep I'll keep my side of the bargin :)
[12:48] <jonsowman> hehe
[12:50] <m1x10> http://ufos.nationalarchives.gov.uk/
[12:50] <m1x10> :)
[12:50] <m1x10> hello all !
[12:52] <Upu> hi :)
[12:52] <m1x10> we must build a HAb capable of tracking UFO elements !
[13:04] <m1x10> question
[13:04] <m1x10> at what intervals do u transmit telemetry at your flights?
[13:05] <jonsowman> as often as possible really
[13:05] <jonsowman> just transmit it continuously
[13:05] <m1x10> oh
[13:06] <m1x10> I know that transmitting in the APRS network very often can cause congestion
[13:06] <jonsowman> oh yes you're using APRS
[13:06] <m1x10> the period is 1 min
[13:06] <jonsowman> don't transmit continuously
[13:06] <jonsowman> 1min would be alright
[13:06] <m1x10> i plan to do it 30sec
[13:06] <jonsowman> are you using 144.8?
[13:06] <m1x10> y
[13:07] <jonsowman> be careful that you don't completely flood the network
[13:07] <m1x10> y
[13:07] <jonsowman> especially with your path
[13:07] <m1x10> i believe that 30sec wont kill something
[13:07] <jonsowman> whatever you do don't use WIDE1-1
[13:07] <jonsowman> you will break *everything*
[13:08] <m1x10> im using "WIDE1" & "WIDE2"
[13:09] <m1x10> and how much data do u often trasmit ?
[13:09] <m1x10> i think my telemetry strings are a bit fatty :)
[13:10] <jonsowman> oh it hardly matters
[13:10] <jonsowman> with 1200 baud the difference is marginal
[13:10] <m1x10> oh
[13:10] <m1x10> u r 50 ?
[13:10] <jonsowman> yea
[13:10] <juxta|console> m1x10: 30 secs or 1 min is pretty frequent, hams here tend to frown on anything more frequent than a few minutes apart
[13:10] <m1x10> !
[13:11] <m1x10> juxta, yes i can see that here too
[13:11] <jonsowman> and don't let it bounce around repeaters
[13:12] <m1x10> jonsowman, donr forget im new to HAM. what do u mean by that?
[13:12] <jonsowman> the whole point of APRS is that there are a lot of repeaters on the network
[13:12] <jonsowman> all of them will hear your payload, due to line of sight
[13:12] <jonsowman> then they'll all repeat
[13:12] <jonsowman> all of those repeats will be heard, and repeated
[13:12] <jonsowman> and so on
[13:13] <m1x10> lol
[13:13] <jonsowman> be extremely careful with your choice of path
[13:13] <jonsowman> to be honest you're probably better switching to 144.9 or something
[13:13] <jonsowman> then you can transmit as often as you like
[13:13] <jonsowman> you don't get the use of the APRS network, but really, you don't need it
[13:14] <m1x10> by purpose is to transmit at 144.8 so I can be heard by anyone
[13:14] <Randomskk> :( my key doesn't appear to be on yet
[13:14] <m1x10> my*
[13:14] <jonsowman> Randomskk: try noqw
[13:15] <DanielRichman> jonsowman: I thought I put it on
[13:15] <jonsowman> DanielRichman: was root owned
[13:15] <DanielRichman> doh
[13:15] <DanielRichman> jonsowman: it's stil root owned
[13:15] <m1x10> this weekend I will go to the candidate transmit site and start transmitting just to see who can hear me
[13:15] <Randomskk> still no
[13:15] <Randomskk> this is with adamportable
[13:16] <Randomskk> yay
[13:16] <Randomskk> cheers
[13:16] <jonsowman> ok now?
[13:16] <Randomskk> do I have a password?
[13:17] <DanielRichman> it should ask you to set one when you first log in
[13:17] <Randomskk> and yea, ssh key working
[13:17] <Randomskk> DanielRichman: it didn't
[13:17] <jonsowman> Randomskk: hang on
[13:17] <Randomskk> and passwd asks for my current
[13:17] <DanielRichman> Randomskk: when you next log in
[13:17] <Randomskk> relogged again
[13:17] <Randomskk> still no
[13:18] <juxta|console> jonsowman: it's not so much of an issue here, we really have a few repeaters, hehe
[13:18] <juxta|console> but still, best to play by the rules ;p
[13:18] <jonsowman> yes
[13:18] <DanielRichman> strange; I though passwd -e was meant to make you do that >.>
[13:18] <jonsowman> indeed
[13:18] <juxta|console> only a single digipeater I think too
[13:18] <jonsowman> i'm not sure what european repeater coverage is like
[13:18] <jonsowman> still m1x10 you must be careful
[13:19] <jonsowman> Randomskk: shall I just set a password and PM it?
[13:27] <Randomskk> s'ok DanielRichman did
[13:27] <Randomskk> okay bbl irc later
[13:27] <jonsowman> okay see you
[13:27] <Randomskk> excellent work DanielRichman :D
[13:29] <DanielRichman> :)
[13:30] <Upu> Yeah I'm seriously impressed with that DanielRichman if I needed a Linux admin I'd be giving you a shout
[13:30] <jonsowman> :D
[13:32] <fsphil> now do it again, but in reverse ;-)
[13:33] <jonsowman> hehe
[13:35] <Upu> haha
[13:57] Nick change: Upu -> UpuAFK
[14:47] Nick change: Guest56907 -> alexandre
[14:47] Nick change: alexandre -> alexandre-
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[14:56] <juxta|console> ping m1x10
[15:00] <m1x10> hello
[15:01] <m1x10> ping juxta|console
[15:02] <juxta|console> hey there
[15:02] <juxta|console> I remembered you were looking for a cheap spycam like tim had
[15:03] <m1x10> yeah
[15:03] <juxta|console> I think this one is the same one rebadged: http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=10973&Product_Name=Turnigy_30FPS_Ultra-Mini_DigiCam_INCLUDING_2GB_SanDisk_Micro_SD
[15:03] <juxta|console> and this one seems a bit better again
[15:03] <juxta|console> http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=10093&Product_Name=Turnigy_highrate_30FPS_Ultra-small_Digital_Camera_W/_2GB_SanDisk_Micro_SD__
[15:03] <m1x10> oh yeah
[15:04] <juxta|console> the second one seems quite good, have a look at the videos in the review
[15:04] <m1x10> thx, let me check
[15:05] <m1x10> Operating temp.: -10~60C
[15:07] <juxta|console> you probably won't find a cheap camera rated to operate really cold
[15:07] <juxta|console> but it might still work anyway
[15:07] <m1x10> yeah
[15:07] <m1x10> with some extra shield around it
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[15:08] <m1x10> the 2nd one has Video: 640x480 pixel
[15:09] <m1x10> where 1st 720x480 pixel
[15:12] <m1x10> and i think both are not HD
[15:16] <juxta|console> yeah they won't be HD
[15:17] <fsphil> don't think you'll get a real HD camera at that size
[15:17] <fsphil> the lens is too small
[15:17] <juxta|console> or price ;p
[15:17] <juxta|console> yeah
[15:17] <juxta|console> wouldnt be worth it in HD anyway
[15:17] <m1x10> tims spycam is HD
[15:17] <m1x10> 7$
[15:17] <juxta|console> not HD as in 1920x1080 m1x10
[15:18] <m1x10> 720x..
[15:18] <fsphil> it also has a rolling shutter, which makes everything wobbly
[15:18] <m1x10> yeah thats was freaky
[15:18] <m1x10> i think for a first flight they worth
[15:19] <fsphil> oh yea, definitely
[15:19] <juxta|console> i'd say it's going to boil down to be about the same as either of those I linked in terms of quality ;p
[15:19] <m1x10> but they last only 1hour
[15:19] <juxta|console> easy enough to add battery capacity
[15:19] <m1x10> yes?
[15:20] <m1x10> you mean bigger mhA ?
[15:20] <juxta|console> yeah
[15:20] <m1x10> hehe
[15:20] <m1x10> sure
[15:20] <juxta|console> you can just wire it up to an external source
[15:20] <fsphil> a physically bigger battery, soldered to the little battery terminals
[15:20] <m1x10> cool
[15:21] <m1x10> Power consumption: 150mA/3.7V (max.)
[15:21] <m1x10> that means if i give it a 150mhA bat is will last just 1 hour?
[15:22] <fsphil> about that, yea
[15:22] <m1x10> so i might give it a 300mhA
[15:22] <m1x10> :)
[15:22] <fsphil> that's the max though, it'll probably last a bit longer
[15:22] <m1x10> it would be expensive though
[15:22] <fsphil> but it depends on the battery, they're not all created equally
[15:23] <jonsowman> how about a mobile phone lipo
[15:23] <jonsowman> 800mAh+, 3V7
[15:23] <jonsowman> requires hacking the thing apart though
[15:23] <m1x10> :p
[15:23] <SpeedEvil> A rolling shutter does not actually distort the image.
[15:23] <m1x10> jonsowman why dont u type 3.7V ?
[15:24] <jonsowman> oh, habit
[15:24] <SpeedEvil> If you have several of these cameras to make a hemisphere - say - you should be able to correct.
[15:24] <m1x10> :)
[15:24] <jonsowman> same reason I write resistor values as 4K7
[15:24] <jonsowman> instead of 4.7K
[15:24] <fsphil> a hemisphere?
[15:24] <juxta|console> yeah just run some wires out and solder up to another lipo - you can buy cheap 1500mah mobile phone batteries or if you want something beefier hobby RC batteries
[15:24] <m1x10> jonsowman is it the english way ?
[15:24] <SpeedEvil> Or just 3*AA
[15:24] <jonsowman> no I don't think so
[15:25] <jonsowman> I was just taught like that at school
[15:25] <jonsowman> and it has stuck
[15:25] <m1x10> so its eng education :P
[15:25] <jonsowman> mine at least. I don't think many people do that
[15:25] <m1x10> like having the wheel at right damn it !!!!!!!!!
[15:25] <jonsowman> I think I'm gradually being converted due to nobody else using it
[15:25] <m1x10> how u drive like this
[15:25] <juxta|console> I learned '3.3V' at school but I still say '3v3' usually :)
[15:25] <m1x10> sucks
[15:26] <juxta|console> m1x10: we drive on the left in Australia too
[15:26] <m1x10> loooool
[15:26] <m1x10> i could crash many times if i come to your countries
[15:27] <jonsowman> hehe
[15:28] <fsphil> the obvious solution: steering wheel in the middle, one-way roads everywhere ;-)
[15:28] <jonsowman> sorted
[15:28] <jonsowman> buy a mclaren f1
[15:28] <m1x10> ooo
[15:28] <m1x10> my favorite!
[15:28] <m1x10> used to play needforspeed 2
[15:28] <m1x10> always that car
[15:28] <jonsowman> hehe
[15:28] <jonsowman> the new one is nice
[15:28] <jonsowman> MP4-12C
[15:29] <juxta|console> catchy name and all
[15:29] <m1x10> I heard that Mr. Bean had a MCLaren F1
[15:29] <jonsowman> juxta|console: yeh great isn't it
[15:29] <juxta|console> ;p
[15:29] <jonsowman> lamborghini's tend to be worse
[15:29] <m1x10> http://www.carphotos.org/wp-content/gallery/f1/mclaren_f1-top.gif
[15:29] <juxta|console> at least those names mean something to someone other than engineers, hehe
[15:30] <jonsowman> true
[15:30] <m1x10> terrible car
[15:30] <m1x10> lol ! http://www.carshowp.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/2010-McLaren-MP4-12C-frontside-view.jpeg
[15:31] <jonsowman> oh that's one of the zebras
[15:31] <jonsowman> prototype GFRP shell
[15:31] <m1x10> hehe
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[15:31] <m1x10> zebra he said
[15:32] <m1x10> looks like a reversed-color cow !
[15:32] <jonsowman> http://www.dieselstation.com/pics/2011-McLaren-MP4-12C-car-walls.jpg
[15:32] <jonsowman> there you go :P
[15:33] <m1x10> "terrible"
[15:33] <m1x10> those engines are state of the art
[15:33] <jonsowman> i know - been working on it for the last few weeks
[15:33] <m1x10> what?
[15:33] <jonsowman> :)
[15:33] <m1x10> you are a car engineer?
[15:34] <jonsowman> well I have been for a few weeks
[15:34] <jonsowman> placement during uni holiday
[15:34] <jonsowman> it's a V8 twin turbo but really really compact - nothing like it at the moment
[15:34] <jonsowman> the top of the cam cover is below the top of the wheels
[15:34] <jonsowman> sits incredibly low in the chassis
[15:35] <m1x10> ahh man I dont know too much about cars..dont get into detail ! just stay on the pics :):)
[15:35] <jonsowman> hehe ok
[15:36] <m1x10> :)
[15:46] <fsphil> all I learned about cars I learned from scrapheap challange
[15:46] <fsphil> so, not much other than how to take them apart
[15:47] <jonsowman> oh facebook
[15:47] <jonsowman> "Nat Parker Dose anyone know what 'aptitude' means?"
[15:47] <jonsowman> D:
[15:47] <jonsowman> fsphil: that's all you need to know
[15:47] <jonsowman> occasionally knowing how to put them back together can come in handy
[15:48] <fsphil> indeed
[15:50] <m1x10> ping juxta
[15:53] <jonsowman> I miss scrapheap challenge, it was good
[15:56] <jonsowman> does anyone have any issues with habhub.org?
[15:57] <m1x10> whats this?
[15:57] <m1x10> habhub hehe smart
[15:57] <jonsowman> as a new domain name for high altitude things
[15:57] <m1x10> yours?
[15:57] <jonsowman> no
[15:57] <jonsowman> collectively owned
[15:57] <jonsowman> I plan to register it then transfer it out if/when required
[15:57] <m1x10> from ppl here?
[15:58] <jonsowman> yea
[15:58] <m1x10> !!!
[15:58] <m1x10> I want to donate
[15:58] <m1x10> alhough my money sucks
[15:58] <m1x10> it will be like a wiki ?
[15:58] <m1x10> blog?
[15:58] <jonsowman> undecided yet what the site will be like
[15:59] <jonsowman> the server is for more than that
[15:59] <jonsowman> but we could do with sorting the domain out
[15:59] <m1x10> im in! but cant offer much :(
[15:59] <m1x10> place a donate button so i can send some paypal money !
[16:00] <jonsowman> that's very kind of you - it's going to be a while before that kind of thing is set up though
[16:00] <m1x10> if it will be like a wiki so anyone can write public that would be awesome !
[16:00] <m1x10> collected experiences
[16:00] <jonsowman> ukhas.org.uk is already like that
[16:00] <m1x10> collected info
[16:01] <m1x10> yes i know
[16:01] <jonsowman> a few people run their own wikis for projects too
[16:01] <m1x10> but ukhas is personal i think ?
[16:01] <m1x10> someone has it
[16:01] <jonsowman> no its for everyone
[16:01] <jonsowman> feel free to make a page on it :)
[16:01] <m1x10> :P
[16:02] <m1x10> habhub.org sounds a bit more cool
[16:02] <m1x10> more global
[16:02] <m1x10> if u get me
[16:02] <fsphil> still fond of hablab.org :)
[16:03] <m1x10> haha
[16:03] <m1x10> we can make a vote :)
[16:03] <fsphil> but habhub is more descriptive
[16:03] <fsphil> oh no more votes :)
[16:03] <m1x10> hahahah
[16:03] <m1x10> !!
[16:03] <m1x10> I think i lost the vote!
[16:03] <DanielRichman> jonsowman: it's back
[16:04] <jonsowman> :D
[16:04] <jonsowman> habhub.org registered
[16:04] <DanielRichman> :O
[16:04] <jonsowman> I'm happy to transfer this out to a collective account if that happens
[16:04] <DanielRichman> awesome
[16:04] <jonsowman> just I want to grab it before someone else (non-UKHAS) does
[16:06] <m1x10> jonsowman you know a bit about that WIDE thingy?
[16:06] <m1x10> aprs
[16:07] <jonsowman> a little, yes
[16:07] <jonsowman> i would find the APRS spec on the internet though
[16:07] <jonsowman> explains it better than I can
[16:07] <m1x10> I use WIDE1 and WIDE2
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[16:07] <m1x10> whats the diff when saying WIDE1-1
[16:07] <m1x10> something like that
[16:08] <m1x10> #define S_CALLSIGN "SW2HYX" // your own callsign
[16:08] <m1x10> #define S_CALLSIGN_ID 11 // ... and SSID (-11 = balloons, -9 = cars, etc.)
[16:08] <m1x10> #define D_CALLSIGN "2YOU" // destination callsign
[16:08] <m1x10> #define D_CALLSIGN_ID 0 // ... and SSID
[16:08] <m1x10> #define DIGI_PATH1 "WIDE1" // first digipeater in path (leave undefined if none)
[16:08] <m1x10> #define DIGI_PATH1_TTL 1 // ... and time-to-live
[16:08] <m1x10> #define DIGI_PATH2 "WIDE2" // second digipeater (leave undefined if none)
[16:08] <m1x10> #define DIGI_PATH2_TTL 1 // ... and time-to-live
[16:09] <m1x10> and I see SW2HYX-11>2YOU,WIDE1-1,qAR,SZ7SER
[16:10] <m1x10> thats the path
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[16:10] <m1x10> and if i dont use wide
[16:11] <m1x10> path becomes
[16:11] <m1x10> SW2HYX-11>2YOU,qAR,SZ7SER
[16:11] <m1x10> that means that SZ7SER heard directly on radio ?
[16:11] <m1x10> that means that SZ7SER heard me directly on radio ?
[16:14] <Randomskk> http://uk.farnell.com/amicus/amicus18/board-pic18f25k20-proton-amicus18/dp/1818281 what the hell is this shit
[16:14] <m1x10> strange cause that guy has its station 75km away from me !
[16:15] <DanielRichman> Randomskk: looks like a bad arduino
[16:15] <Randomskk> farnall advertised it in their latest email
[16:15] <DanielRichman> daring
[16:16] <Randomskk> Amicus18.
[16:16] <Randomskk> Easy to use open design board with free downloadable software.
[16:16] <Randomskk> An embedded system platform based on an open hardware design for a single-board microcontroller, with embedded I/O support and standard programming language.
[16:16] <Randomskk> yea quite
[16:18] <jonsowman> DanielRichman: see talk
[16:19] <jonsowman> Randomskk: got habhub.org
[16:19] <Randomskk> nice nice
[16:19] <Randomskk> really though, using irc to point someone at talk?
[16:19] <jonsowman> hahaa
[16:19] <jonsowman> sorry
[16:20] <m1x10> jonsowman any help with aprs?
[16:20] <jonsowman> sorry m1x10 it's been a long time and I don't remember enough about it at the moment
[16:20] <jonsowman> grab the APRS spec
[16:20] <m1x10> ok
[16:21] <jonsowman> it's very well documented :)
[16:21] <m1x10> i red it some time ago
[16:21] <m1x10> but wasnt sure for many things
[16:28] <DanielRichman> http://habhub.org/
[16:29] <m1x10> :)
[16:31] <Randomskk> yay
[16:31] <Randomskk> is that cherokee from source or cherokee from repos
[16:32] <jonsowman> http://habhub.org/about/
[16:32] <jonsowman> oops
[16:32] <jonsowman> ignore
[16:32] <jonsowman> is 1.0.5 in repos yet?
[16:33] <jonsowman> last I checked it was 0.7.2 or something
[16:33] <Randomskk> this is 10.04.1
[16:33] <Randomskk> 1.0.6 is latest source
[16:33] <jonsowman> yeop
[16:33] <jonsowman> run upgrade-cherokee.sh
[16:35] <DanielRichman> that one I installed from the ppa
[16:35] <DanielRichman> do we need 1.0.6?
[16:35] <Randomskk> no
[16:35] <Randomskk> ppa should suffice then
[16:36] <Randomskk> easier to update
[16:36] <Randomskk> I imagine it's kept reasonably up to date
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[16:37] <rharrison> ping jonsowman
[16:37] <Randomskk> hi rharrison
[16:37] <jonsowman> hi rharrison
[16:37] <Randomskk> the remote install of ubuntu worked :D
[16:37] <rharrison> hi Randomskk
[16:37] <jonsowman> Randomskk and I are the same person.
[16:37] <Randomskk> DanielRichman pulled it off
[16:38] <DanielRichman> bleurgh http://habhub.org/phpinfo.php
[16:38] <Randomskk> what are we bleurghing
[16:38] <DanielRichman> php
[16:38] <Randomskk> oh, its existance
[16:38] <Randomskk> yes
[16:39] <Randomskk> I have been writing PHP all day for the last week
[16:39] <Randomskk> you know the two worst things
[16:39] <DanielRichman> I would install django to make up for it but we don't know if we'll be using it yet
[16:39] <Randomskk> one is that there's no syntax for arrays, you have to array('one', 'two')
[16:39] <Randomskk> two is that arrays are dictionaries, array('one'=>'two')
[16:39] <Randomskk> three is that => is the mapping operator
[16:40] <Randomskk> four is that there are no symbolic constants, everything uses strings
[16:40] <Randomskk> array('one'=>'two')
[16:40] <Randomskk> no keyword arguments
[16:40] <DanielRichman> the whole page-as-a-program deal isn't great either
[16:40] <Randomskk> that's mostly obsolete with significant programs though
[16:40] <rharrison> hehe Python is having a comeback at the moment
[16:40] <Randomskk> a comeback? :P
[16:41] <Randomskk> DanielRichman: page as a program is okay apps, by the time you do anything serious you (should!) have lots of source files and a single index.php that handles routing etc
[16:41] <Randomskk> see e.g. cakephp
[16:41] <DanielRichman> used 166 free 2852 (MB)
[16:42] <DanielRichman> ((ram))
[16:42] <Randomskk> yum
[16:42] <Randomskk> well, good enough for the time being, 166 is still 'lots'
[16:42] <Randomskk> what's hogging it all
[16:42] <Randomskk> or is that not +- cache
[16:42] <DanielRichman> BTW Randomskk I decided to use your iptables setup; however; I wrote an upstart script instead of placing a sh script somewhere on the system /etc/init/iptables.conf
[16:42] <DanielRichman> That is +/- cache
[16:43] <Randomskk> okay fair enough
[16:43] <Randomskk> my script is run automatically when interfaces come up, but upstart works just as well
[16:43] <jonsowman> password auth temporarily enabled for rob
[16:43] <DanielRichman> in answer to your question Randomskk mysql is probably hogging it. mailutils was pulling it in so I just decided to install the server anyway
[16:45] <Randomskk> mysql still shoudln't be using that much
[16:45] <Randomskk> install htop
[16:45] <jonsowman> installed
[16:45] <Randomskk> password auth? D:
[16:45] <jonsowman> Randomskk: just temporary so rob can set his own keys up
[16:45] <Randomskk> fair enough
[16:45] <DanielRichman> if I change sshd_config back then it will change back as soon as he's finished?
[16:46] <DanielRichman> s/soon as.../when we reboot after he's finished/
[16:46] <jonsowman> yea
[16:46] <DanielRichman> Infact as soon as he sshes in it can be changed back since sshd restarts don't affect established connections
[16:47] Action: DanielRichman nmaps the box
[16:47] <DanielRichman> looks good
[16:47] <DanielRichman> only things left todo are monit and snmp
[16:48] <DanielRichman> talk isn't the most intuitive program
[16:48] <jonsowman> you could say that
[16:49] <jonsowman> not entirely sure why we're still using it?
[16:49] <jonsowman> for jokes.
[16:49] <LA3QMA> m1x10: what are you trying todo?? 2YOU is not a valid destination btw
[16:50] <m1x10> LA3QMA
[16:50] <Randomskk> DanielRichman: netstat -l is also useful in that case
[16:50] <m1x10> yes I noticed
[16:50] <m1x10> LA3QMA: http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&call=SW2HYX-11&limit=5&view=normal
[16:50] <m1x10> thats better i think
[16:51] <LA3QMA> hmm not 100%
[16:51] <m1x10> 8 points to a boat
[16:51] <LA3QMA> SW2HYX is not a destination either hehe
[16:51] <m1x10> thats me
[16:51] <LA3QMA> yes but its on the wrong position
[16:52] <m1x10> ?
[16:52] <m1x10> im sending something to myself
[16:52] <m1x10> thats my logic
[16:52] <m1x10> from balloon-11 to boat-8
[16:52] <m1x10> same person
[16:52] <LA3QMA> SW2HYX-11>APxxx,SW2HYX-8,qAR,SZ7SER:/ is more logic
[16:53] <m1x10> whats AP ?
[16:53] <rharrison> Can we keep the password option open rathe than relying on keys
[16:53] <LA3QMA> all valid aprs packets have an destination of APxxxx
[16:53] <LA3QMA> SW is not
[16:53] <m1x10> damn !
[16:53] <LA3QMA> there are a few other likle ALL CQ QST etc
[16:53] <m1x10> ok I will see what i can do.
[16:53] <LA3QMA> m1x10: 2 sec we fix
[16:53] <rharrison> I could be on any number of public/private pcs and I don't fancy carrying a key chain around with me :)
[16:54] <m1x10> LA3QMA: the SW2HYX-11>SW2HYX-8,qAR,SZ7SER means that this guy heard me directly from radio?
[16:54] <LA3QMA> m1x10: APZxxx (experimental) but the xxx should be assigned 2sec
[16:55] <Randomskk> rharrison: do you have a USB stick or another server you can forward through?
[16:55] <LA3QMA> m1x10: yes qAR is "direct via SZ7SER igate"
[16:55] <Randomskk> like, I carry a key on my USB stick all the time which lets me in to some servers, and the keys on those are good for others I don't want to put my portable key on
[16:55] <LA3QMA> and SZ7SER is a validated station
[16:55] <Randomskk> but I have a USB memory stick on my keyring al the time, so it's always with me
[16:55] <m1x10> LA3QMA i dont get u
[16:55] <m1x10> LA3QMA his antenna heard my antenna's radio ?
[16:55] <LA3QMA> qAR is telling that the igate is verified
[16:56] <LA3QMA> m1x10: yes
[16:56] <Randomskk> however if you had password access to a server of your own, you could SSH from there with keys on that server
[16:56] <m1x10> ok
[16:56] <rharrison> Randomskk, I can do that I guess
[16:56] <m1x10> that guy is 75km away
[16:56] <LA3QMA> but you should make a small change in your packets
[16:56] <m1x10> what changes?
[16:57] <LA3QMA> your destinationaddress
[16:57] <m1x10> ok this.
[16:57] <m1x10> something else/
[16:57] <m1x10> ?
[16:57] <LA3QMA> 2sec i'll make a suggestion
[16:57] <DanielRichman> personally I think that ssh-key only access is a Very Good idea
[16:57] <Randomskk> also more convenient
[16:57] <Randomskk> keys are way easier
[16:57] <jonsowman> I have to agree
[16:57] <Randomskk> no typing shit
[16:58] <LA3QMA> m1x10: a bit confused about your packet...
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[16:58] <Randomskk> (with ssh-agent, that is, I do of course have passphrases on all my keys)
[16:58] <Randomskk> hi eam52
[16:58] Nick change: eam52 -> eroomde
[16:58] <LA3QMA> m1x10: your ikaros should send something like
[16:58] <m1x10> time is not UTC, its local.
[16:58] <jonsowman> hi eroomde
[16:58] <eroomde> hi
[16:58] <eroomde> just checking in
[16:58] <Randomskk> anyone have any bright ideas on how to have the user of a website select their timezone?
[16:58] <m1x10> LA3QMA: up to course its valid ax25
[16:58] <Randomskk> http://www.php.net/manual/en/timezones.php
[16:59] <LA3QMA> m1x10: yes but not aprs
[16:59] <m1x10> LA3QMA: after course its the comment field
[16:59] <m1x10> where i put everything i like
[16:59] <LA3QMA> m1x10: is -11 the ikaros?
[17:00] <m1x10> -11 yes the balloon
[17:00] <LA3QMA> what is the -8 ??
[17:00] <m1x10> the boat !! from where i will chase it
[17:00] <LA3QMA> hmm ok
[17:00] <m1x10> i will be on the boat.
[17:01] <LA3QMA> let the ikaros send: SW2HYX-11>APZIKA,WIDE2-1:/182422h4039.01N/02256.66EO000/000/000417/05/40.6502/22.9444/4.6/+34/33/17_OK_7____IKAROS
[17:01] <m1x10> so SW2HYX-11 sending from balloon and SW2HYX-8 receiving from boat
[17:01] <LA3QMA> and what is -11 doing? what soft/hardware=
[17:01] <m1x10> its the aprs transmitter from balloon !
[17:02] <LA3QMA> ahh sorry -8 ??
[17:02] <m1x10> its me on the boat !
[17:02] <m1x10> hahah
[17:02] <LA3QMA> ok but what software?
[17:02] <m1x10> funny
[17:03] <m1x10> i will build an aprs receiver
[17:03] <m1x10> not ready yet
[17:03] <m1x10> im still on the transmitter
[17:03] <LA3QMA> let leave the boat for a minute
[17:04] <m1x10> i want to ask something about WIDE
[17:04] <m1x10> may i ?
[17:04] <LA3QMA> yes
[17:04] <LA3QMA> but your baloon should send a valid aprs packet first
[17:04] <m1x10> wide is a repeater. correct?
[17:05] <m1x10> the WIDE1 is what exactly?
[17:05] <rharrison> done
[17:05] <LA3QMA> WIDE is not used anymore neither are RELAY or TRACE
[17:05] <LA3QMA> WIDEn-N is an alias a digipeater/repeater should trigger on
[17:06] <m1x10> thats my hardcoded stuff: #define S_CALLSIGN "SW2HYX" // your own callsign
[17:06] <m1x10> #define S_CALLSIGN_ID 11 // ... and SSID (-11 = balloons, -9 = cars, -8 = boats)
[17:06] <m1x10> #define D_CALLSIGN "SW2HYX" // destination callsign
[17:06] <m1x10> #define D_CALLSIGN_ID 8 // ... and SSID (-11 = balloons, -9 = cars, -8 = boats)
[17:06] <m1x10> #define DIGI_PATH1 "WIDE1" // first digipeater in path (leave undefined if none)
[17:06] <m1x10> #define DIGI_PATH1_TTL 1 // ... and time-to-live
[17:06] <m1x10> sorry guys for the spam :)
[17:06] <jonsowman> is that WIDE1-1 :o
[17:07] <m1x10> is this info correct LA3QMA?
[17:07] <LA3QMA> destinatyion should not be your callsign unless only you should see it
[17:07] <LA3QMA> m1x10: no
[17:07] <m1x10> except the dest callsign. is it correct?
[17:07] <LA3QMA> is this your balloon or your boat?
[17:07] <m1x10> lol
[17:07] <m1x10> :)
[17:08] <m1x10> that code will be on the balloon
[17:08] <LA3QMA> ok the balloon should have the same SSID all the way
[17:09] <m1x10> the WIDE1 thing is ok ?
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[17:09] <LA3QMA> if it's sending to the path WIDE1 then it's wrong
[17:09] <m1x10> wait
[17:09] <m1x10> i dont get something
[17:10] <m1x10> (just to know im very new to HAM)
[17:10] <eroomde> m1x10: there's a very good and current thread about APRS 'abuse' and usage on the GPSL (search yahoo groups) mailing list right now
[17:10] <LA3QMA> m1x10: we can take a private chat?? i'll explain how and what the balloon should send
[17:10] <m1x10> eroomde: thanks but i prefer realtime discussion
[17:10] <m1x10> yes LA3QMA sure
[17:11] <eroomde> why not keep it public? it could be useful for others
[17:11] <m1x10> LA3QMA though we bother you
[17:11] <LA3QMA> if it's ok for you :o)
[17:11] <eroomde> m1x10: fine sure, just saying.
[17:11] <m1x10> lol
[17:11] <m1x10> LA3QMA come here then :P
[17:11] <LA3QMA> hehe ok
[17:11] <m1x10> let me tell you how i understand them
[17:12] <LA3QMA> i think its better if i first format the packet for you
[17:12] <LA3QMA> then i can explain
[17:12] <m1x10> no !
[17:12] <LA3QMA> and you can put it in your code
[17:12] <m1x10> plz
[17:12] <LA3QMA> hehe
[17:12] <m1x10> :P
[17:12] <m1x10> ( shy mixio )
[17:12] <m1x10> well, let me tell you how i understand
[17:12] <LA3QMA> ok
[17:13] <LA3QMA> silence ;o)
[17:14] <m1x10> WIDE1 is the id of a repeater. When my packet contains the "WIDE" and reaches that station, then the station accepts it and sends it to aprs network. correct?
[17:14] <LA3QMA> WIDEn is an alias in a digipeater=repeater
[17:15] <m1x10> ok
[17:15] <LA3QMA> so if you send WIDE1-1 the digipeater triggers and is resending it AFTER it has been changing both path and put it selves in the path
[17:15] <m1x10> im not sure if i got u
[17:15] <LA3QMA> so i the digipeater i named DIGI1, your balloon send WIDE1-1 the digipeater says DIGI1*,WIDE1-0 but you see DIGI1*,WIDE1
[17:16] <m1x10> fuck
[17:16] <LA3QMA> the * indicates that a digipeater has been working with your packet
[17:17] <LA3QMA> but for a balloon you should not use WIDE1-1 anyhow
[17:17] <LA3QMA> but we can take that discussion later
[17:17] <m1x10> i want my aprs message to be received by any hearing station or repeater.
[17:17] <m1x10> thats my goal
[17:18] <LA3QMA> yes but thats in the destination fiels
[17:18] <LA3QMA> field
[17:18] <m1x10> aaaaaa
[17:18] <m1x10> lol
[17:18] <LA3QMA> the path only dictates how many "jumps" the packet should travel
[17:18] <LA3QMA> i.e WIDE1-1,WIDE2-2 is going three jumps
[17:18] <m1x10> so the -8 is completly wrong
[17:18] <LA3QMA> yes thats wrong
[17:18] <m1x10> whole dest callsign
[17:19] <m1x10> I will not trigger anyone like that. right?
[17:19] <LA3QMA> as this is a homemade device use APZxxx and i suggest APZIKA as in APZika(ros)
[17:19] <LA3QMA> or I01 as in ikaros v01
[17:19] <LA3QMA> after APZIKA you should have the path
[17:20] <m1x10> for D_CALLSIGN_ID
[17:20] <LA3QMA> yes
[17:20] <m1x10> what i should put/
[17:20] <m1x10> ?
[17:20] <m1x10> #define D_CALLSIGN "APZika" // destination callsign
[17:20] <m1x10> #define D_CALLSIGN_ID 8 // ... and SSID (-11 = balloons, -9 = cars, -8 = boats)
[17:20] <LA3QMA> yes but use uppercase as APZIKA
[17:20] <rharrison> I have just removed phpinfo from the web root and put a simple index.php in there. I'm not sure we want to advertise the server specs to the world :)
[17:21] <rharrison> index.html even
[17:21] <m1x10> ok, but use 8 ?
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[17:21] <LA3QMA> m1x10: not in the destination
[17:22] <m1x10> so zero it?
[17:22] <LA3QMA> probably
[17:22] <m1x10> k wait
[17:23] <m1x10> LA3QMA: from info.aprs.net Wiki
[17:23] <m1x10> -0 = home station running iGate
[17:23] <m1x10> so this is what we want
[17:23] <m1x10> correct?
[17:23] <m1x10> to send it to stations running igate
[17:23] <m1x10> ?
[17:23] <LA3QMA> m1x10: SSID is only a suggestion. and anyhow it should not be in the destination but in the callsign ID
[17:24] <LA3QMA> no
[17:24] <LA3QMA> APRS is a unconnected network so you dont send to any spesific station
[17:24] <LA3QMA> the APZ is a destination to ALL aprs stations
[17:24] <m1x10> last string: SW2HYX-11>APZIKA,qAR,SZ7SER:/192321h4038.88N/02256.66EO231/001/+000/000169/08/40.6481/22.9444/4.6/+33/35/17_OK_0____IKAROS
[17:25] <m1x10> it this correct?
[17:25] <LA3QMA> yes more correct but what path did you use?
[17:25] <m1x10> what do u mean path?!!
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[17:25] <LA3QMA> WIDEn-N thing
[17:25] <m0tek> test
[17:25] <m1x10> why yo use it?
[17:25] <m1x10> why to use it?
[17:26] <LA3QMA> in a balloon you don't need it when you are high up
[17:26] <m1x10> i will have realtime telemetry all the time.
[17:26] <LA3QMA> but when you are close to ground you need it
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[17:26] <DanielRichman> ping Randomskk
[17:26] <Randomskk> hi
[17:27] <DanielRichman> Do you have an example monit config file to hand? I've been configuring this when it occured to me that you've been using it for a while so might have some better defaults
[17:27] <m1x10> LA3QMA: whats its use ?
[17:27] <Randomskk> ugh. it's at home.
[17:27] <LA3QMA> ok if the balloon is landing in a spot where SZ7SER doesnt hear it you are in trouble
[17:27] <Randomskk> wait
[17:27] <Randomskk> and on this server!
[17:27] <Randomskk> kaching
[17:27] <Randomskk> second
[17:27] <m1x10> yes
[17:27] <m1x10> LA3QMA: so putting the WIDE thing i wil trigger any repeater
[17:27] <m1x10> correct?
[17:27] <LA3QMA> m1x10: WIDEn-N WIDE is not in use
[17:28] <m1x10> :p
[17:28] <m1x10> so WIDE1-1 is ok?
[17:28] <LA3QMA> anything like WIDEn-N is triggering a digipeater
[17:28] <DanielRichman> :)
[17:28] <m1x10> ok
[17:28] <LA3QMA> m1x10: use WIDE2-1 in a balloon
[17:28] <m1x10> whats the meaning of 1-1 ?
[17:29] <LA3QMA> the digi is removing one "jump" for each digipeating. so lets take WIDE3-3 as an example
[17:29] <LA3QMA> a digipeater hears this and saying DIGI1*,WIDE3-2 (subtracting one and send the packet)
[17:29] <m1x10> it will route until 3
[17:29] <m1x10> ?
[17:29] <m1x10> stations
[17:30] <LA3QMA> when another digi is hearing DIGI1,WIDE3-2 its saying hey... DIGI1,DIGI2*,WIDE2-1
[17:30] <LA3QMA> yes
[17:30] <Randomskk> DanielRichman: http://pastie.org/private/lac2xay2jkmej8m1s229sw
[17:30] <Randomskk> you will need to change the email address to add several people or whatever
[17:30] <DanielRichman> cool, thx
[17:30] <LA3QMA> via max three stations and all of the sattions is putting their own callsign inside the packet
[17:30] <Randomskk> may as well leave random@randomskk.net there
[17:30] <m1x10> so its like the TTL in tcp/ip ?
[17:30] <DanielRichman> Randomskk: I'll set it to root@localhost since we need to set up that alias anyway
[17:30] <Randomskk> it has monitrc and also the individual conf files for several things
[17:30] <LA3QMA> the you know where it has been traveling
[17:30] <Randomskk> yea go for it
[17:30] <Randomskk> check the pidfile locations for cherokee, nore sure if yours will be the same
[17:31] <Randomskk> it's all fairly readable
[17:31] <eroomde> hablab.org seems to have temporarily unprogataed
[17:31] <eroomde> pooey
[17:31] <m1x10> LA3QMA what do u sugget to put? WIDE3-3 ?
[17:31] <rharrison> try hubhab :)
[17:31] <LA3QMA> no WIDE2-1
[17:32] <m1x10> ok. to sum up.
[17:32] <m1x10> 2 means go up to 2 stations
[17:32] <m1x10> ok ?
[17:32] <jonsowman> eroomde: http://habhub.org
[17:32] <LA3QMA> using WIDE1-1 or WIDE3-3 when you are high up is going to kill all the aprs traffick in a wide area
[17:32] <LA3QMA> yes WIDE2-2 says two jumps
[17:32] <LA3QMA> as a balloon you only want one
[17:32] <m1x10> WIDE2-1 or WIDE2-2 ?
[17:32] <LA3QMA> use WIDE2-1
[17:33] <m1x10> what means the 2nd number then ?
[17:33] <m1x10> the 1st is how many jumps
[17:33] <LA3QMA> WIDE2 is saying i want two jumps. the -2 says that you have two left
[17:33] <m1x10> 2nd?
[17:33] <m1x10> aaaaaa
[17:33] <m1x10> lol
[17:33] <m1x10> :P
[17:33] <LA3QMA> WIDE2-1 is saying you wanted two and have one left
[17:33] <m1x10> oh lol
[17:33] <m1x10> fully understand now
[17:34] <LA3QMA> :o)
[17:34] <m1x10> THANK YOU !
[17:34] <jonsowman> shall I go ahead and set up google apps then?
[17:34] <LA3QMA> but using a WIDE1-1 in a balloon is a killer thats why you should use WIDE2-1 the result for your balloon is 1jump but the aprs network is not been killed
[17:34] <Randomskk> go for it
[17:34] <jonsowman> ok
[17:35] <rharrison> jonsowman, sounds good you'll have to populate the dns with some googleness
[17:35] <eroomde> jonsowman: +1 from me
[17:35] <Randomskk> jonsowman: my script will add all the google dns entries to linode
[17:35] <Randomskk> if you give it a linode api key
[17:35] <LA3QMA> and btw there are limitations on how many beacons you can send
[17:35] <DanielRichman> Randomskk: the "alert" actions will cause an email; if monit decides to restart a service will it alert us?
[17:35] <m1x10> yes i know.
[17:35] <m1x10> 1 minute i think
[17:35] <Randomskk> http://github.com/randomskk/manage.py
[17:35] <Randomskk> DanielRichman: yes, restarts get emailed
[17:35] <jonsowman> rharrison: the DNS MX records are already done
[17:35] <Randomskk> also if the PID changes it gets emailed
[17:36] <Randomskk> jonsowman: they are?
[17:36] <jonsowman> have a look
[17:36] <jonsowman> we are a non-profit yes?
[17:36] <LA3QMA> 30-60sek is ok but it should be adapted to speed/coursechange etc
[17:36] <m1x10> LA3QMA: during the flight I will send many packets frequently. I want to gather as much as possible for telemetry
[17:36] <Randomskk> so they are
[17:36] <Randomskk> we are
[17:36] <Randomskk> well not registered as such
[17:36] <rharrison> jonsowman, so far
[17:36] <Randomskk> but we are not-for-profit :P
[17:37] <Randomskk> jonsowman: SPF
[17:37] <rharrison> I can't see that changing any time soon
[17:37] <m1x10> LA3QMA: I know I will flood but ok its for 2 hours and its a good project :)
[17:37] <eroomde> I'm not against profit though :)
[17:37] <jonsowman> Randomskk: yes, SPF soon
[17:37] <LA3QMA> m1x10: hehe but you could use another frequency
[17:37] <eroomde> but probably not through the medium of HAB
[17:37] <Randomskk> v=spf1 a include:aspmx.googlemail.com -all
[17:37] <Randomskk> just that
[17:37] <Randomskk> in a TXT
[17:39] <jonsowman> you can do it :)
[17:39] <jonsowman> or do you want me to?
[17:39] <Randomskk> done
[17:39] <UpuAFK> let me know what you want the PTR to be
[17:39] Nick change: UpuAFK -> Upu
[17:39] <Randomskk> nessie.habhub.org I think
[17:40] <m1x10> LA3QMA: I dont have money to buy another radio. I don't work. :(
[17:40] <Upu> ok no problems
[17:40] <DanielRichman> I'll turn down the disk and ram alert levels given that both are so massive something could still be wrong without poppint 80% utilisation
[17:40] <Randomskk> cheers
[17:40] <Randomskk> DanielRichman: I'd leave RAM as it is
[17:41] <Randomskk> but for disk, fair enough
[17:41] <Randomskk> 80% of RAM is something we want to know about generally
[17:41] <DanielRichman> 1.5TB Disk will alert at 50% use
[17:41] <Randomskk> 3GB isn't so much to not worry
[17:41] <DanielRichman> 3GB Ram will alert at 80% use
[17:41] <DanielRichman> ok
[17:41] <Randomskk> oh, right, I thought you meant increase the limits
[17:41] <LA3QMA> m1x10: hehe when you are addicted to radios and balloons i'll think thats goingm to change
[17:41] <Randomskk> still think 80% on ram
[17:41] <Randomskk> SPF added, linode will regen at quarter to
[17:41] <Randomskk> http://www.kitterman.com/spf/validate.html should be able to check it then
[17:42] <m1x10> LA3QMA: hehe. Btw have you done a flight before?
[17:43] <Randomskk> (unless it cached it, in which case wait a bit more)
[17:43] <LA3QMA> m1x10: no but we had a plan for some other ham experiments where balloons should be used to raise a vertical fullsize antenna for the 160m band
[17:43] <LA3QMA> and i want to use one of the ballons after that to let it go with a TinyTrack3 with a gps
[17:43] <m1x10> heh
[17:44] <m1x10> LA3QMA: thats my new string SW2HYX-11>APZIKA,qAR,SZ7SER
[17:44] <m1x10> LA3QMA: why it does not have the WIDE2-1 ?
[17:44] <LA3QMA> hmm
[17:45] <LA3QMA> are you sure it's in the packet?
[17:45] <jonsowman> done
[17:45] <jonsowman> wrong window
[17:45] <LA3QMA> as this is an igate hearing it directly it should be SW2HYX-11>APZIKA,WIDE2-1qAR,SZ7SER:/194426h4038.86N/02256.58EO236/000/+000/000380/04/40.6477/22.9430/4.6/+33/36/18_OK_20___IKAROS
[17:46] <m1x10> LA3QMA
[17:46] <m1x10> #define DIGI_PATH1 "WIDE2-1" // first digipeater in path (leave undefined if none)
[17:46] <m1x10> #define DIGI_PATH1_TTL 1 // ... and time-to-live
[17:47] <LA3QMA> yes but are you using the define somewhere? ;o)
[17:47] <m1x10> sure !
[17:47] <LA3QMA> hehe ok
[17:47] <m1x10> oh
[17:47] <m1x10> LIE
[17:47] <m1x10> no
[17:47] <m1x10> :)):):):):
[17:47] <LA3QMA> hehe lol
[17:47] <m1x10> it was commented out !
[17:48] <m1x10> .//build_addr(DIGI_PATH1, DIGI_PATH1_TTL, true);
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[17:48] <LA3QMA> hehe
[17:50] <m1x10> hm I have a problem no
[17:50] <m1x10> w
[17:50] <jonsowman> is anyone in here doing the Location Save request for Lyon?
[17:50] <jonsowman> I'm not going to accept them for non-UKHAS members
[17:50] <Randomskk> lol you will come to regret that button
[17:50] <jonsowman> happily it is disable-able
[17:51] <Randomskk> well, until we have a sexy unified website that people have user accounts on and can save any location they like
[17:51] <jonsowman> until then :)
[17:52] <griffonbot> @nearsys: Preparing for a presentation about near space in Washington DC. Arlington actually, but close enough. #ARHAB [http://twitter.com/nearsys/status/20401698699]
[17:53] <Upu> mail recieved
[17:53] <Upu> PTR has been requested
[17:53] <DanielRichman> excellent. Do you want to carry on receiving root's email?
[17:53] <Upu> as long as its important stuff
[17:54] <DanielRichman> well I'm about to start serving up sigterms to see how monit behaves.
[17:54] <DanielRichman> you might not want to get that.
[17:54] <Upu> Don't worry my delete button is primed
[17:54] <DanielRichman> :D
[17:55] <Upu> my iphone beeps and sends the dog mental, honestly the wife loves it
[17:56] <LA3QMA> m1x10: i see that other balloon project is not using any path. can you do some changes so that it's sending a path when you are close to landing?
[17:59] <eroomde> DanielRichman: cry for help received too thank you
[17:59] <DanielRichman> eroomde: do you want to continue receiving root's mail?
[17:59] <eroomde> yep ta
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[18:01] <Randomskk> DanielRichman: got it
[18:01] <DanielRichman> and want to continue?
[18:02] <Randomskk> yea
[18:02] <DanielRichman> for reference I set the adam: random@... alias and then added "adam" to root: in /etc/aliases
[18:02] <DanielRichman> likewise for other users
[18:03] <DanielRichman> I wondered if there was a way to alias root's email to a group; eg root: @admin but couldn't find it in a minute of googling
[18:03] <DanielRichman> so didn't bothere
[18:03] <Randomskk> if this works, it works
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[18:03] <Randomskk> could you set it to adam@habhub.org though?
[18:04] <DanielRichman> OK
[18:04] <Randomskk> (it'l get to me either way)
[18:04] <DanielRichman> jonsowman: have you created {adam,jon,ed,rharrison,daniel}@habhub.org?
[18:04] <Randomskk> well. unless @habhub.org buggers up
[18:04] <DanielRichman> & ants@habhub.org ?
[18:04] <jonsowman> yes all done
[18:04] <Randomskk> thinking about it, probably best to leave it @randomskk.net
[18:04] <jonsowman> not ants
[18:04] <jonsowman> will do that
[18:04] <DanielRichman> actually no Randomskk that won't work
[18:05] <DanielRichman> well I'd have to configure exim4 not to accept email for habhub.org
[18:05] <DanielRichman> then it might work
[18:05] <m1x10> LA3QMA: sory I was AFK
[18:05] <Randomskk> it should already be only sending and not receiving
[18:05] <Randomskk> but, leave it as randomskk.net
[18:05] <Randomskk> however it should send on to @habhub generally speaking
[18:05] <m1x10> LA3QMA: I will be off for sometime. We can talk later.
[18:05] <LA3QMA> m1x10: ok :o)
[18:06] <DanielRichman> hmm checking; yeah It will send to @habhub
[18:06] <Randomskk> yea it does successfully
[18:06] <Randomskk> but leave it as randomskk.net for monit etc emails
[18:06] <DanielRichman> OK
[18:06] <Randomskk> potentially slightly more reliable
[18:06] <DanielRichman> speaking of which; monit'd better not go crazy and pwn sshd or anything
[18:07] <Randomskk> it's good
[18:07] <Randomskk> if anything the opposite
[18:07] <Randomskk> if ssh goes crazy it'l restart it
[18:07] <DanielRichman> well unless it goes crazy and decides sshd needs restarting continuously, but OK
[18:07] <DanielRichman> I'll start it up
[18:08] <DanielRichman> Right I cba testing most of these and hopefully they won't break anyway, but I'll serve cherokee a few sigterms etc. to see if it's working
[18:09] <jonsowman> Description: Monit started
[18:09] <jonsowman> Your faithful employee,
[18:09] <jonsowman> monit
[18:09] <jonsowman> hehe :)
[18:09] <Randomskk> it will do that on any service starting/restarting/stopping/alerting
[18:10] <eroomde> bbl
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[18:10] <jonsowman> ok
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[18:13] <Upu> oh can someone do me a favour sorry my mail address on the ukhas-tools mailing list should be anthony.stirk@nevis.co.uk sorry I can't post to it
[18:14] <Randomskk> can we change addresses on that? I think you just have to sign up to ukhas-tools with that address
[18:14] <jonsowman> i think DanielRichman will have to do that
[18:14] <Upu> someone set me up
[18:14] <jonsowman> he's the only admin on that group afaik
[18:15] <DanielRichman> james is one too
[18:15] <Upu> thanks
[18:15] <DanielRichman> do you want me to set you as an owner jonsowman ? besides, I thought the group was set so that anyone can join w/o invite
[18:15] <jonsowman> DanielRichman: yeh might as well if you don't mind
[18:16] <DanielRichman> done
[18:16] <jonsowman> thanks
[18:17] <jonsowman> someone already changed Upu's email on the group?
[18:17] <Upu> yep I'm fixed
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[18:19] <jonsowman> good good
[18:21] <Randomskk> DanielRichman: be sure to check that the pidfile locations are all correct
[18:21] <DanielRichman> yep
[18:21] <DanielRichman> have done. Just need to make sure it can start mysql properly; it seemed to have some trouble last time
[18:23] <DanielRichman> Randomskk: Aug 5 18:21:55 nessie monit[7985]: 'mysql' failed to start
[18:23] <DanielRichman> yet mysql *seems* fine
[18:24] <Randomskk> check its command to start it
[18:24] <Randomskk> and what it returns
[18:24] <Randomskk> try running it manually etc
[18:24] <DanielRichman> start program = "/usr/sbin/service mysql start" with timeout 60 seconds
[18:24] <DanielRichman> ok
[18:25] <DanielRichman> daniel@nessie:conf.d$ sudo service mysql start
[18:25] <DanielRichman> mysql start/running, process 8232
[18:25] <DanielRichman> daniel@nessie:conf.d$ echo $?
[18:25] <DanielRichman> 0
[18:26] <DanielRichman> Well as long as it's now convinced that mysql is running...
[18:26] <jonsowman> so adam
[18:26] <jonsowman> any ideas on a better hostname?
[18:26] <fsphil> hydro
[18:27] <Randomskk> nessie is fine
[18:27] <jonsowman> haha
[18:27] <jonsowman> really?
[18:27] <Randomskk> I like the monster theme
[18:27] <jonsowman> okay
[18:28] <Randomskk> if we get some more hab related servers we can stick with it
[18:28] <Randomskk> having a theme is more important than specifics anyway
[18:28] <jonsowman> so i'm going to chown /var/www to www-data and then make everyone members of that group
[18:28] <jonsowman> ok?
[18:28] <Randomskk> plenty of monsters in mythology anyway
[18:28] <Randomskk> hmm
[18:28] <Randomskk> wondering if there's a better group to make
[18:28] <Upu> stick with the hostname as I've already requested the PTR :)
[18:28] <Randomskk> nah, www-data is good
[18:28] <jonsowman> oh yes, forgot about that Upu
[18:28] <jonsowman> nessie it is
[18:28] <Randomskk> nessie is fine :P
[18:28] <Randomskk> later servers can be all sorts of monsters, perfect
[18:31] <jonsowman> ok /var/www perms sorted
[18:31] <Upu> 204.189.75.77.in-addr.arpa. 1D IN PTR nessie.habhub.org.
[18:31] <jonsowman> members of the www-data group will be able to do stuff to that dir
[18:33] <Randomskk> cool, cool
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[18:38] <DanielRichman> nice
[18:38] <DanielRichman> still battling with monit. I turned off the root: alias to reduce on spam
[18:38] <Randomskk> heading home, back later
[18:38] <jonsowman> okay
[18:40] <m1x10> ping LA3QMA
[18:43] <m1x10> crap I exceeded max ax25 frame size.
[18:46] <DanielRichman> jonsowman: does that google file in /var/www/ have to remain there indefinitely or just for now?
[18:47] <jonsowman> not entirely sure
[18:47] <jonsowman> probably can be deleted now
[18:47] <jonsowman> let's try it and see
[18:47] <jonsowman> done
[18:47] <jonsowman> seems alright
[18:48] <DanielRichman> eugh we're going to have to decide how we're going to capitalise habhub
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[19:01] <timbobel> evenin
[19:01] <jonsowman> hi timbobel
[19:02] <m1x10> hi Tiger^
[19:02] <m1x10> hi timbobel
[19:03] <m1x10> timbobel, I contanced eswdust.com
[19:04] <timbobel> righto
[19:04] <m1x10> Your antenna
[19:04] <m1x10> is extremely fragile
[19:05] <m1x10> eventually that was my prob
[19:05] <m1x10> i played with it a bit and surprisingly it start locking asap
[19:08] <timbobel> what antenna is this we're talking about
[19:08] <m1x10> the black evil thing
[19:08] <timbobel> the black hat comes off easily =)
[19:08] <m1x10> its moving around itself esasily
[19:09] <m1x10> no plastic
[19:09] <m1x10> the whole helical evil thing
[19:09] <m1x10> are u in win ?
[19:10] <m1x10> if it moved even a bit it will cut RF
[19:11] <m1x10> and propably the day your flight you touched it so many times that you moved it and it worked
[19:11] <m1x10> ping LA3QMA
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[19:11] <timbobel> impossible
[19:11] <timbobel> i had it wrapped up in electrical tape..
[19:12] <m1x10> hence you touched it
[19:12] <m1x10> and accidentaly moved it
[19:12] <m1x10> without notice
[19:12] <timbobel> impossible
[19:12] <m1x10> hahha
[19:12] <timbobel> since it usually can get the time-stamp
[19:12] <timbobel> now though, testing it now, it cant get anything at all
[19:12] <m1x10> thats what i said to esadwust
[19:13] <m1x10> and when i started playing
[19:13] <timbobel> i think it broke during touchdown; which finishes the conclusion: it is thé worst GPS for habbing, ever. when it works its great, but it needs a giant manual and you cant-keep-it-simple.
[19:13] <m1x10> looooooooool
[19:13] <timbobel> though still, its very nice that it's small, and it looks neat and all.
[19:26] Action: timbobel wants to know if someone has the falcom Eagle files
[19:28] Action: timbobel ping everyone'
[19:28] <m1x10> i think on esadwust.com
[19:28] <timbobel> negative
[19:28] <timbobel> i know juxta has it
[19:28] <timbobel> others surely too
[19:28] <m1x10> ah there is the breakout's..
[19:29] <timbobel> nope
[19:31] <LA3QMA> m1x10: bbl about 60min
[19:31] <m1x10> bbl ?
[19:31] <LA3QMA> be back later
[19:31] <LA3QMA> :o)
[19:31] <m1x10> ah ok :)
[19:31] <m1x10> cu
[19:33] <SiOB> Hi all, has anyone tried the RTrak-HAB tracker from http://www.rpc-electronics.com/trackers.php They say its specifically designed for HAB.
[19:33] <m1x10> $250.00 + Shipping
[19:34] <SiOB> Thinking of getting one for our next launch
[19:35] <m1x10> I bet it will not work above the usual altitude margin
[19:35] <SiOB> Thats the type of info we're after.... emailed them but no reply
[19:36] <SiOB> i understand it a 500mW device
[19:36] <m1x10> freq?
[19:36] <SiOB> 144-146
[19:36] <m1x10> aa
[19:36] <SiOB> 2m
[19:36] <m1x10> im on 144.8
[19:36] <SiOB> u in uk
[19:36] <m1x10> no
[19:37] <SiOB> uk freq for aprs
[19:37] <LA3QMA> m1x10: SW2HYX-11>SW2HYX-8,qAR,SZ7SER:!4038.89N/02256.66EO334/001/+000/000180/07/40.6482/22.9443/4.6/+34/34/17_OK_23___IKAROS
[19:37] <LA3QMA> m1x10: drop the timestamp do you need it?
[19:37] <Randomskk> back but at a dinner party until later this evening, ugh
[19:38] <m1x10> what timestamp ?
[19:38] <LA3QMA> after the path it should be: !4038.89N/02256.66EO
[19:38] <LA3QMA> whats /193558h ??
[19:38] <m1x10> the ime
[19:39] <LA3QMA> just remove it
[19:39] <m1x10> why?
[19:39] <LA3QMA> why do you need it?
[19:39] <Randomskk> SiOB: can't transmit on 2m airborne in the UK
[19:39] <Randomskk> or 500mW for that matter
[19:40] <SiOB> Technicality
[19:41] <SiOB> what can u transmit on..... if your not a ham....
[19:41] <LA3QMA> but if you need it its ok
[19:41] <m1x10> LA3QMA its valid ARPS format to have the time there
[19:41] <m1x10> am I wrong?
[19:41] <m1x10> if i remove it it will be invalid
[19:41] <LA3QMA> m1x10: yes but usually the receiving station is putting the tiomestamp in. but if you need it that acurate its ok
[19:42] <LA3QMA> no you can send a packet without a timestamp
[19:42] <m1x10> LA3QMA if I remove it I wont break the format?
[19:42] <m1x10> ok let me try
[19:42] <LA3QMA> then you use !4038.89N/02256.66EO
[19:42] <m1x10> its
[19:43] <m1x10> SW2HYX-11>APZIKA,qAR,SZ7SER:/194211h4038.94N/02256.66EO198/001/+000/000272/05/40.6491/22.9444/4.6/+33/36/18_OK_16___IKAROS
[19:43] <LA3QMA> WIDE2-1:!4038.89N/02256.66EO
[19:43] <m1x10> thats my current format
[19:43] <m1x10> I will add WIDE2-1. I just have a problem.
[19:43] <LA3QMA> ok
[19:43] <LA3QMA> if you don't need the timestamp i would remove it
[19:43] <LA3QMA> to shorten the packet
[19:44] <m1x10> I though it was obligatory
[19:44] <LA3QMA> no only in timestamped packets
[19:44] <m1x10> let me try
[19:44] <DanielRichman> SiOB: being a ham is irrelevant in teh UK. You can't use your callsign on airborne devices
[19:44] <DanielRichman> you're limited to the 10mW tiny specifically licensed modules
[19:45] <SiOB> which are these... would like to be legal for the next launch, but.....
[19:47] <LA3QMA> m1x10: this should work: :!4038.89N/02256.66EO334/001/+000/000180/07/40.6482/22.9443/4.6/+34/34/17_OK_23___IKAROS
[19:47] <LA3QMA> aprs.fi might report error due to the extra fields in the end.
[19:48] <LA3QMA> anyhow bbl. seeing a movie and then i'm back
[19:55] <Randomskk> SiOB: e.g., Radiometrix NTX-2
[19:56] <SiOB> what freq is it on... will have to get a new radio
[19:57] <SiOB> why so many petty rules
[19:57] <SiOB> apart from the airport one !
[19:58] <SiOB> im on it
[20:00] <fsphil> 434.075 / 434.650 mhz
[20:00] <fsphil> ssb
[20:04] <SiOB> might be easier just to pop in a gsm gps tracker. any phone it once it s down.
[20:07] <fsphil> risky, they don't always work
[20:07] <fsphil> though they're great for backup
[20:09] <SiOB> that was the backup lasttime, and it worked. the aprs from byonics died partway through the flight.
[20:15] <fsphil> live updates are nice though. but yea, if you don't have the radio receiver already then it's quite a pricey option
[20:16] <SiOB> What ever we chose.... its going up.
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[20:27] <m1x10> LA3QMA: SW2HYX-11>APZIKA,qAR,SZ7SER:!4038.88N/02256.66EO106/001/+000/000171/40.6481/22.9444/4.5/+31/43__0002_2223_IKAROS
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[20:30] <jcoxon> evening all
[20:30] <jonsowman> hi jcoxon :)
[20:30] <jonsowman> hows things?
[20:30] <jcoxon> not bad thanks
[20:31] <jcoxon> you?
[20:31] <jonsowman> yep fine thanks )
[20:31] <jcoxon> excellent
[20:32] <jcoxon> not many launches lined up - that makes me sad :-(
[20:32] <jonsowman> hmm yes
[20:33] <jonsowman> potential apex 2 relaunch 11th sept
[20:33] <jcoxon> cool
[20:33] <jonsowman> or that weekend at least
[20:33] <jcoxon> i'd like to get another float flying soon
[20:33] <jcoxon> to test the new flight board - before i go for another ballasthalo
[20:35] <jcoxon> that would require me to design that new board - so a job for another day :-p
[20:35] <jonsowman> hehe
[20:36] <fsphil> if the caa would hurry up I can launch in three weeks
[20:37] <fsphil> at this rate I might have to launch in cambridge :-p
[20:43] <DanielRichman> jcoxon: http://habhub.org/
[20:44] <DanielRichman> jcoxon: can you PM me your ssh keys and I'll create an account? preferred username?
[20:53] <fsphil> ping jonsowman
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[20:55] <jonsowman> hi fsphil
[20:55] <jonsowman> what's up?
[20:56] <fsphil> oh just the usual, breaking the predictor :)
[20:56] <fsphil> the one on ucam.org doesn't seem to be working well for me
[20:56] <jonsowman> hehe
[20:56] <jonsowman> what's it doing?
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[20:56] <fsphil> http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~cuspaceflight/predict/#!/uuid=6c931b630f2002df0f354d8359aaac105c1aa72c
[20:57] <fsphil> hexoc.com is fine
[20:57] <jonsowman> i think this might be a quota thing
[20:57] <jonsowman> 2 secs
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[20:57] <jcoxon> oops
[20:57] <fsphil> ah
[20:57] <jonsowman> lol hello james
[20:57] <fsphil> wb jcoxon :)
[20:58] <jonsowman> fsphil: try it now?
[20:58] <jcoxon> just install gcc on the server
[20:59] <fsphil> jonsowman, perfect thanks
[20:59] <jonsowman> fsphil: no problems
[20:59] <jonsowman> sorry will get this sorted soon but we're basically near our quota and the predictor can't save the data it needs
[20:59] <jonsowman> but I can't just go round deleteing cusf stuff without asking
[20:59] <jonsowman> if you have issues, use the hexoc one for now
[20:59] <jonsowman> sorry
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[21:01] <fsphil> no biggie, just thought it was odd
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[21:10] <jonsowman> yea will try and sort it adap
[21:10] <jonsowman> *asap
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[22:15] <LA3QMA> hmm
[22:17] <m1x10> LA3QMA, I was wondering if there is a way to send only telemetry data and remove that "!4038.88N/02256.66EO151/000/"
[22:17] <LA3QMA> yes
[22:18] <LA3QMA> dont you want the position?
[22:18] <m1x10> A valid aprs format with my own telemetry. I have the position as 40.6480/22.9444
[22:20] <LA3QMA> yes but if you only want to send telemetry as aprs you dont get the position
[22:20] <LA3QMA> then you have to send a packet with a position every x transmittiond and telemetry the rest
[22:21] <m1x10> I want eg: 151/000/+000/000181/40.6480/22.9444/4.5/+31/41__0331_0000_IKAROS
[22:21] <m1x10> that to be my telemetry
[22:21] <m1x10> A hacky way to include this info in aprs
[22:21] <m1x10> ....
[22:22] <LA3QMA> aprs supports 5 analog and 1 digital+comment
[22:22] <m1x10> :p
[22:22] <LA3QMA> T#001,255,255,255,255,255,00000000Hello
[22:23] <LA3QMA> you can also send it as a function i think then you have to calculate the result
[22:25] <LA3QMA> and therte is a userdefined format but i dont remember the "code" for that. i can check it up
[22:25] <m1x10> if you dont mind
[22:26] <LA3QMA> maybe a statustext without timestamp is best? then you get 62chars
[22:26] <m1x10> show me
[22:26] <LA3QMA> 67 if you send it as a message to a spesific callsign
[22:27] <LA3QMA> statustext begins with a >
[22:29] <LA3QMA> so then its SW2HYX-11>APZIKA:> and then 62 chars
[22:29] <m1x10> that looks interesting
[22:33] <m1x10> let me try
[22:41] <Upu> ping DanielRichman
[22:44] <m1x10> LA3QMA: yay!! SW2HYX-11>APZIKA,qAR,SZ7SER:>004/004/+000/000409/40.6528/22.9435/4.5/+31/41__0002_2143_IKAROS
[22:44] <m1x10> accepted
[22:44] <m1x10> http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&call=SW2HYX-11&limit=5&view=normal
[22:44] <LA3QMA> jupz
[22:44] <m1x10> type: status
[22:44] <m1x10> srccallsign: SW2HYX-11
[22:44] <m1x10> dstcallsign: APZIKA
[22:44] <m1x10> status: 004/004/+000/000409/40.6528/22.9435/4.5/+31/41__0002_2143_IKAROS
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[22:44] <m1x10> thats awesome
[22:45] <m1x10> my telemetry string at last how I want it !
[22:45] <LA3QMA> just remember to send a few positionbeacons so that others can see it move on their map
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[22:46] <m1x10> i dont care about this too much
[22:47] <m1x10> I just want them to see 40.6528/22.9435
[22:47] <m1x10> which I will put it now in the beggining
[22:47] <LA3QMA> hmm
[22:48] <LA3QMA> if the position is static you can send a position beacon every 30-60min
[22:48] <m1x10> Can i send this status text more often ?
[22:49] <LA3QMA> you can send as many packets the network can handle but no mather what you are sending you should remember that there are other users
[22:49] <m1x10> ok
[22:53] <LA3QMA> you can do the math. usually you say that one packet is using one second and multiply that with each digipeater it's going trough
[22:54] <LA3QMA> so if there are 10-30users in your area there are not much space
[22:55] <LA3QMA> hmm seems like people are using both RELAY and TRACEn-N
[22:55] <LA3QMA> have you not adapted to the new recomandations?
[22:55] <m1x10> LA3QMA I dont know these things
[22:56] <LA3QMA> then your path is probably not going to help you. so just drop it...
[22:57] <LA3QMA> but do you have aprox 24' now?? jesus thats hot
[22:58] <m1x10> not its 31
[22:58] <m1x10> C
[22:58] <LA3QMA> ok :o(
[22:58] <m1x10> greece is hot
[22:58] <m1x10> :)
[22:58] <LA3QMA> hehe yes
[22:59] <m1x10> what did u say about the path?
[22:59] <LA3QMA> just dont use any
[22:59] <m1x10> what do u mean?
[22:59] <m1x10> not use the WIDE thing?
[22:59] <LA3QMA> the last packet on aprs.fi is without and that should be ok
[23:00] <LA3QMA> the digipeaters around you are a mix of either RELAY or WIDEn-N or TRACEn-N so i can recomend anything
[23:00] <m1x10> we did so much discussion on WIDE and now you advice me not to use it?
[23:01] <LA3QMA> yes if the digipeaters are suposed to help you we have to know what they are trigering on
[23:01] <LA3QMA> but in the air i checked with other balloon projects and they dont use a path
[23:01] <m1x10> btw when I tried to include WIDE2-1 I wasnt getting any response from aprs.fi
[23:02] <LA3QMA> this should work: SW2HYX-11>APZIKA,WIDE2-1:>004/004/+000/000409/40.6528/22.9435/4.5/+31/41__0002_2143_IKAROS
[23:03] <LA3QMA> but duplicate packets are dropped and also digipeaters/igates is dropping if you send more often that 30sec
[23:03] <LA3QMA> with the same information
[23:06] <Upu> night all
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[23:11] <m1x10> now nothing comes to aprs.fi
[23:11] <LA3QMA> when you are using a path?
[23:12] <m1x10> im not using WIDE
[23:12] <m1x10> just SW2HYX-11>APZIKA
[23:12] <LA3QMA> like this? SW2HYX-11>APZIKA:>004/004/+000/000409/40.6528/22.9435/4.5/+31/41__0002_2143_IKAROS
[23:13] <m1x10> yes thats the last one
[23:13] <LA3QMA> hmm strange and what did you use before?
[23:13] <m1x10> all those hours im not using WIDE
[23:13] <m1x10> from afternoon
[23:14] <LA3QMA> it should work without a path like WIDEn-N but you should change some data if not aprs.fi is just rejecting it
[23:14] <LA3QMA> also sending more often than every 30sek is not been logged
[23:15] <LA3QMA> unless there is a change in the packet
[23:16] <m1x10> now im sending: >40.6485,22.9441,000307,030,000,+000,4.6,+31,44,0007,2216,IKAROS
[23:19] <LA3QMA> how much power from the radio?
[23:19] <m1x10> radio says 300mW
[23:20] <m1x10> and that guy is 75km behind mountains
[23:20] <LA3QMA> ahh 80Km is a bit far
[23:20] <LA3QMA> so it could be because of the weather is changing
[23:20] <LA3QMA> but SV2BNL-12 is saying that it's a WIDEn-N digi
[23:20] <m1x10> LA3QMA all the time before he was hearing me
[23:20] <jonsowman> oh buggar
[23:21] <LA3QMA> m1x10: yes but radiowaves are not 100% everytime ;o) and thers probably other traffic on thye frequency
[23:22] <LA3QMA> use WIDE2-1 in the path then SV2BNL-12 is going to help you one jump
[23:22] <LA3QMA> just when you are debugging :o)
[23:23] <m1x10> i use WIDE2-1 now..lets see
[23:24] <LA3QMA> if that doesnt work try TRACE2-1
[23:25] <LA3QMA> seems strange that you have not adapted to the new recomandations
[23:25] <m1x10> what new recommendations?
[23:25] <m1x10> I told you Im very new to this
[23:26] <LA3QMA> to use WIDEn-N and drop all those RELAY and TRACEn-N things so that every where in the world we are using the same settings
[23:26] <m1x10> ok Im using WIDE2-1 now :)
[23:27] <m1x10> do u know if VHF propagation is getting lost at night?
[23:28] <LA3QMA> strange
[23:28] <LA3QMA> vhf as HF is affected by the clouds etc
[23:28] <m1x10> no clouds here
[23:28] <m1x10> just hot
[23:28] <m1x10> :)
[23:29] <LA3QMA> hehe and no clouds you have less things for RF to reflect on
[23:29] <LA3QMA> try TRACE2-1 just for fun
[23:29] <m1x10> you seem to enjoy my agony :)
[23:30] <LA3QMA> hehe no but i'm puzzled about you not reaching a closer digipeater
[23:32] <m1x10> i think I was doing something wrong in my code
[23:32] <m1x10> no sure though
[23:37] <LA3QMA> going to bed now.. happy coding...
[23:37] <LA3QMA> c ya
[23:38] <m1x10> ok
[23:38] <m1x10> cu tomorrow
[23:44] <m1x10> LA3QMA
[23:44] <m1x10> I used WIDE1 and WIDE2
[23:44] <m1x10> and immediately i got response on aprs.if
[23:45] <m1x10> SW2HYX-11>APZIKA,WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1,qAR,SZ7SER:>40.6481/22.9444/000173/011/000/+000/4.5/+31/48/0002/2244/IKAROS
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