highaltitude.log.20100802

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[00:37] <fsphil> just looking at the pics timbobel, congrats :D
[00:48] <timbobel> thnaks a lot
[00:48] <timbobel> the movie will be pretty nice
[00:48] <timbobel> busy on it
[00:48] <timbobel> nightshift
[00:58] <fsphil> looking forward to it, but going to bed now :) night!
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[01:41] <timbobel> ready
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[02:16] <Laurenceb> natrium42: ping
[02:21] <Laurenceb> http://tinyurl.com/3x5kjo3
[02:21] <timbobel> online
[02:23] <natrium42> Laurenceb, yo
[02:23] <Laurenceb> hi natrium42
[02:23] <natrium42> hi
[02:23] <Laurenceb> I have a friend who wants to run a webstore
[02:23] <natrium42> sup?
[02:24] <Laurenceb> would you be interested in building one?
[02:24] <Laurenceb> thought you may be someone to ask
[02:25] <Laurenceb> as I'm not too hot on making something that looks really nice
[02:25] <natrium42> ah
[02:25] <natrium42> well, feel free to forward my email
[02:25] <Laurenceb> hes selling building materials
[02:25] <Laurenceb> http://www.plumbnation.co.uk/
[02:25] <Laurenceb> that site is similar to what he wants
[02:26] <Laurenceb> cool, ok
[02:26] <Laurenceb> I've got to get some sleep, cya
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[02:28] Action: timbobel announces the video online
[02:28] <timbobel> www.hollandshoogte.nl
[02:28] Action: timbobel cheers
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[02:28] <timbobel> do comment!!!!!! =D
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[02:34] <natrium42> very cool
[02:51] <SpeedEvil> Was that a downwards facing cam too?
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[08:19] <juxta> ping earthshine
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[08:46] <m1x10> morning morning morning
[09:00] <m1x10> timbobel got a very cool video !
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[09:22] <m1x10> timbobel got a very cool video !
[09:23] <m1x10> was you on stress when searching the payload with the speedboat?
[09:31] <timbobel> no not at all
[09:31] <timbobel> i used the laptop to see where it landed on google earth
[09:31] <timbobel> and used the iphone's gps to locate where we were
[09:31] <timbobel> but as you can see on some screenshots i made, it drifted a kilometer
[09:32] <m1x10> :)
[09:32] <m1x10> im sure you enjoyed it
[09:32] <m1x10> congrats again
[09:33] <timbobel> oh yes
[09:33] <timbobel> i am now loading up some raw vids
[09:33] <timbobel> ill load up the first spycamvid for you too
[09:34] <m1x10> ohh yeah thx !
[09:34] <m1x10> depending on your results I will go for it
[09:34] <timbobel> it's good but it shakes like c-r-a-z-y
[09:35] <m1x10> hehe. that is expected
[09:35] <m1x10> i hope there are some seconds of still movement in the whole video
[09:36] <timbobel> it has silent moments yes
[09:36] <timbobel> but its a special kind of refreshing the vid
[09:36] <timbobel> that makes it weird to watch
[09:36] <timbobel> youlls ee
[09:37] <m1x10> that was yoour first time?
[09:37] <timbobel> launch? yes
[09:37] <timbobel> never seen anything like it
[09:37] <m1x10> xaxa
[09:37] <m1x10> cool
[09:37] <timbobel> got most of my info from here
[09:37] <m1x10> Sure. Me too.
[09:38] <jonsowman> morning :)
[09:38] <jonsowman> timbobel: excellent launch yesterday
[09:38] <m1x10> I promised I will dedicate my first mission to this channel's people
[09:38] <jonsowman> well done!
[09:38] <timbobel> mostly from jcoxon, danielrichman, juxta, jonsowman, very helpful.
[09:38] <timbobel> jonsowman, cheers on the tracker! but my internetconn kept falling away
[09:38] <timbobel> which ment FLDIGI crashed
[09:39] <timbobel> i used 2.0
[09:39] <jonsowman> oh yea
[09:39] <jonsowman> there is a bug fixed version of fldigi
[09:39] <timbobel> haha really
[09:39] <jonsowman> r112 fixed that bug
[09:39] <timbobel> lol
[09:39] <timbobel> okay
[09:39] <jonsowman> sorry, i realise that information is a bit late now
[09:39] <jonsowman> anyway you know for next time
[09:39] <timbobel> np
[09:39] <jonsowman> http://github.com/jamescoxon/dl-fldigi
[09:39] <jonsowman> grab the appropriate r112 binary :)
[09:40] <jonsowman> from the Downloads tab
[09:41] <timbobel> and it was very cool others tuned in
[09:42] <timbobel> we should use this method again when the germans invade holland again to transmit msg's to england
[09:43] <jonsowman> haha
[09:43] <jonsowman> timbobel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_balloon
[09:47] <fsphil> timbobel, the special refreshing thing you mentioned is a rolling shutter -- it makes things wobble about when the camera moves
[09:47] <fsphil> oh an excellent video, I have to get myself a boat ;)
[09:47] <jonsowman> don't we all
[09:48] <fsphil> the prediction has me in the water half the time so it would open up some interesting possibilities :)
[09:49] <fsphil> did you launch from your front garden, timbobel?
[09:51] <jonsowman> talking of predictions
[09:51] <jonsowman> the nomads HA gateway is still down
[09:51] <fsphil> eek
[09:52] <jonsowman> i've patched the predictor to bypass the gateway
[09:52] <jonsowman> so it does work
[09:52] <jonsowman> but as Ed said, looks like a bit of an extended fail going on over there
[09:55] <timbobel> fpshil: from my parents house, he has a giant shed witha ll the tools
[09:55] <timbobel> i think you guys should get yourselves a friend with a boat in the northsea anyway
[09:55] <timbobel> its surely worth the effort
[09:57] <fsphil> yes, I believe more than a few have ended in the north sea
[09:57] <DanielRichman> the north sea might be a bit.... rougher?
[09:58] <fsphil> yea, and the atlantic isn't too gentle either
[09:58] <DanielRichman> I think you'd need a bigger boat to venture out there; and the chances of the payload holding out for long enough is low
[09:58] <jonsowman> get run over by a barge
[10:00] <juxta> hey timbobel, watched your video this morning, good work :)
[10:03] <timbobel> thnaks juxta
[10:03] <timbobel> thanks for the comment :)
[10:04] <m1x10> timbobel, I see a number in your telemetry strings
[10:04] <m1x10> first number after tbl
[10:04] <m1x10> 328
[10:04] <m1x10> something like this
[10:04] <m1x10> whats this?
[10:05] <timbobel> transmission nr
[10:05] <m1x10> nr?
[10:05] <m1x10> counter?
[10:06] <timbobel> y
[10:06] <m1x10> its use?
[10:07] <m1x10> why would u want to know if its 300 or 340 ?
[10:08] <timbobel> no idea
[10:08] <m1x10> lol
[10:08] <fsphil> multiple people receive the strings, it helps keep them in order
[10:08] <timbobel> i think the telemetry can be inproved by making it shorter
[10:09] <jonsowman> m1x10: it gives some kind of chronologicality to telemetry
[10:09] <fsphil> so you know 341 came after 340
[10:09] <timbobel> make it half as short, and you can easily get correct data
[10:09] <fsphil> even if they where submitted backwards
[10:09] <timbobel> fsphil thats nonsense
[10:09] <timbobel> you have got the time!
[10:09] <jonsowman> timbobel: what if the gps loses lock?
[10:09] <timbobel> no matter what youre in trouble
[10:09] <m1x10> hmm i see a debate
[10:10] <jonsowman> the ticks counter is from the time when some payloads didnt have an RTC on board
[10:10] <timbobel> right yeah, so its kinda obsolete
[10:10] <jonsowman> in a way
[10:10] <jonsowman> but it can still be useful
[10:11] <timbobel> very true, yes
[10:11] <m1x10> ok.. something else. U had 2 telemetry strings?
[10:11] <timbobel> yes
[10:11] <jonsowman> for the amount of additional effort it takes to implement, it's probably worth it
[10:11] <timbobel> i had 2 gps's
[10:11] <jonsowman> timbobel: did you use 50 baud?
[10:11] <timbobel> y
[10:12] <jonsowman> you might like to try something a bit higher
[10:12] <timbobel> kinda useless to use more i think..?
[10:12] <jonsowman> there have been a few launches recently on 300 baud, to great success
[10:12] <m1x10> 50baud? my afsk is done at 1200 :P
[10:12] <juxta> the counter also lets you know if your payload resets for whatever reason
[10:12] <timbobel> i dont need THAT much info
[10:12] <timbobel> juxta; very good. indeed,.
[10:12] <jonsowman> m1x10: ah yes, but you have bit stuffing and differential manchester line coding
[10:12] <m1x10> hmm juxta good
[10:13] <jonsowman> not to mention more than 10mW output power
[10:13] <m1x10> yes jonsowman correct
[10:13] <juxta> I think I'll be flying 300b in future
[10:13] <jonsowman> m1x10: i flew an entirely APRS system on apex-i
[10:13] <m1x10> maybe for juxta's reason i shall implement a counter
[10:13] <jonsowman> with TNCs and a linux flight computer running ax25d
[10:13] <m1x10> hehe
[10:13] <m1x10> was it ok for HAB?
[10:14] <jonsowman> the only thing that wasn't aprs about it was the frequency, as we can't use that in the UK
[10:14] <m1x10> ahh pl
[10:14] <m1x10> bad
[10:14] <m1x10> 144.8 here is free for HAMS
[10:14] <jonsowman> it is here mainly
[10:14] <jonsowman> but we can't use amateur bands in unmanned airborne ops
[10:15] <m1x10> !
[10:15] <jonsowman> so we're forced to use the unlicensed bands
[10:15] <jonsowman> for HAB'ing
[10:15] <m1x10> I hope that rule does not exists here !
[10:15] <jonsowman> it's an OFCOM thing, it probably doesn't
[10:15] <jonsowman> the UK is the only place I know that has this restriction
[10:16] <m1x10> OFCOM ?
[10:16] <m1x10> ahhhh
[10:16] <jonsowman> office of communications
[10:16] <m1x10> you scared me to death
[10:16] <jonsowman> UK govt department
[10:16] <jonsowman> oh sorry it's not government, it's independent apparently
[10:16] <jonsowman> wikipedia knows all
[10:16] <m1x10> :)
[10:17] <m1x10> timbobel just to tell you that i removed the battery from fsa breakout
[10:17] <m1x10> i think it does only bad to the module
[10:17] <fsphil> I'm hoping we get to use the 25mw transmitter in future
[10:18] <juxta> I'm allowed to use ham gear here
[10:18] <jonsowman> fsphil: pff nobody would know
[10:18] <fsphil> lol
[10:18] <juxta> but I think the ntx2 is just fine anyway
[10:18] <jonsowman> to be honest we're pretty well set up with 10mW
[10:18] <fsphil> jonsowman, I actually think a few here have already done :)
[10:18] <DanielRichman> we were thinking of putting a 10W transmitter on for when it hits the ground
[10:18] <jonsowman> fsphil: I flew 500mW on 446 MHz
[10:18] <jonsowman> that's not legal
[10:18] <fsphil> tsk tsk :)
[10:18] <m1x10> heh
[10:19] <jonsowman> but shoved 1200baud AX.25 down it
[10:19] <jonsowman> worked excellently
[10:19] <LA3QMA> they should have been renamed to OffComm or NOcomm
[10:19] <juxta> I think I'm technically breaking the rules too
[10:19] <jonsowman> LA3QMA: so true
[10:19] <juxta> our rules say 25mW EIRP
[10:19] <juxta> which I'm exceeding with a 1/4 wave
[10:19] <jonsowman> naughty
[10:19] <LA3QMA> are there any good argument for not allowing HAMS in the air?
[10:19] <juxta> haha
[10:19] <jonsowman> LA3QMA: nope
[10:19] <LA3QMA> strange
[10:20] <juxta> LA3QMA, interference potential I suspect
[10:20] <jonsowman> the legislation was introduced during WWII
[10:20] <fsphil> yikes, it's that old?
[10:20] <m1x10> :!
[10:20] <jonsowman> yep
[10:20] <LA3QMA> the only thing about aprs in the air is to use a proper path.
[10:20] <fsphil> as bad as daylight savings time
[10:20] <jonsowman> WIDE3-3 or something would be fine
[10:20] <jonsowman> of course you don't want it bouncing around everywhere
[10:21] <LA3QMA> as long as you are not using a frequency that can affect i.e professional communication there should be no problem
[10:21] <jonsowman> fsphil: can't stand that either haha
[10:21] <jonsowman> UTC = win
[10:21] <DanielRichman> ugh DST
[10:21] <jonsowman> everyone would use 144.8 MHz
[10:21] <m1x10> jonsowman my aprs will go up to wide2
[10:21] <jonsowman> since that's where all the APRS repeater systems are set up
[10:21] <LA3QMA> either no path WIDE2-n or WIDE3-n
[10:21] <LA3QMA> WIDE1-1 is a killer in the air
[10:21] <jonsowman> yup
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[10:22] <LA3QMA> but for recovery maybe changing profile below some altitude
[10:23] <LA3QMA> people should really make a case regarding NoComm
[10:23] <jonsowman> oh it exists
[10:23] <jonsowman> there's a group that have been lobbying for that legislation to be abandoned for a while now
[10:23] <jonsowman> cannot remember the name off the top of my head
[10:23] <jonsowman> I shall hunt it down at some point
[10:23] <LA3QMA> ahh ok hope they can manange to get the rules changed
[10:24] <jonsowman> yes me too
[10:24] <LA3QMA> in my opinion these strict rules are not good for the HAMs in your region
[10:24] <jonsowman> absolutely
[10:24] <jonsowman> there is just no good reason for them to still exist
[10:24] <jonsowman> but OFCOM cba to change it
[10:26] <LA3QMA> its quite simple here in No(r)way. you either get a phone call if you have i.e a digipeater making trouble or they just disconnects it and call you
[10:27] <jonsowman> well that's much more sensible
[10:27] <jonsowman> damn, should've bookmarked that website
[10:27] <jonsowman> can't find it ha
[10:29] <juxta> was having a talk to a ham the other day who mentioned that somewhere (perhaps the UK?) if you run a repeater/IRLP node, you're required to have a 'shutdown' switch on the outside of the building it's operating out of
[10:29] <LA3QMA> we had two "episodes" and both of them the NPT (norwegian post and telecom,,,) was saying that the HAMS did not have to do anything but the navy had to change their systems LOL
[10:30] <jonsowman> hehe
[10:30] <jonsowman> juxta: oh that'd be terrible
[10:30] <LA3QMA> we have a contract with the military at some sites and then it's a bit funny
[10:30] <jonsowman> I don't know whether that's UK - I don't know the ham regs well enough here
[10:30] <juxta> it would be a major pain
[10:31] <jonsowman> right, bbl all
[10:31] <LA3QMA> echolink/irlp has 4 frequencies in norway and you just send a request to the mananger at NRRL as a "formal" thing
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[10:37] <m1x10> im rebuilding my aprs packet now. 256byte max. I will add a counter. what else is good to add?
[10:39] <LA3QMA> telemetrydata you are talking about?
[10:39] <m1x10> LA3QMA, in apra packet i include and the telemetry.
[10:40] <m1x10> now looks like: /123956h4038.88N/02256.67EO000/000/A=000136/S=06/40.6480/22.9445/V=4.5/T=32/H=27/D=12________ALFA_IKAROS
[10:41] <LA3QMA> ahh balloon symbol :o)
[10:41] <timbobel> all content i want to share is now online
[10:42] <LA3QMA> have you read the telemetryformat for aprs?
[10:42] <timbobel> m1x10: spycam vid on website HoHoHo i flight www.hollandshoogte.nl
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[10:42] <fsphil> timbobel, that's quite a spin on the way down :)
[10:42] <m1x10> LA3QMA up to "A=000136/" is pure aprs and decoded
[10:43] <m1x10> after S is my data encapsulated to aprs comment field
[10:43] <m1x10> it get decoded here: http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&call=SW2HYX-11&limit=5&view=normal
[10:43] <LA3QMA> ahh ok
[10:43] <timbobel> fpshil: yeah purely insane. it kinda affected the telemetry a bit
[10:44] <m1x10> timbobel Iam heading to your site
[10:44] <timbobel> ok guys im going out for the coffee, thanks for all the help everyone., its truly a nice community
[10:44] <m1x10> timbobel have a nice time
[10:45] <m1x10> timbobel thats not HD !
[10:45] <LA3QMA> the telemetrypacket i think have 5 channels
[10:45] <m1x10> LA3QMA i dont use the APRS telemetry packet.
[10:46] <LA3QMA> ok
[10:46] <m1x10> I use my own telemetry data appended justin aprs comment field
[10:46] <LA3QMA> as long as you have enough space then its probably just as good :o)
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[10:48] <LA3QMA> i really want to send something up hehe
[10:48] <m1x10> you are new to this?
[10:49] <LA3QMA> hehe yes but not aprs
[10:49] <m1x10> LA3QMA, sure. U seem to know lots aboutaprs
[10:49] <LA3QMA> we have two balloons that are going to be used for a vertical antenna for the 160m band
[10:49] <m1x10> cool
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[10:50] <LA3QMA> and i have a 300mW aprs tracker an a evermore aka NEVERmore GPS i want to get rid off. so my idea was that after the 160m project is finished we could launch the ballon
[10:50] <m1x10> 300mw aprs tracker?
[10:50] <m1x10> you bought it?
[10:50] <LA3QMA> yea a TinyTrack thing
[10:50] <m1x10> ah yeah
[10:51] <m1x10> I make my own :)
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[10:51] <LA3QMA> hehe thats cool
[10:51] <LA3QMA> based on what hardware?
[10:53] <m1x10> Radiometrix 300mw 144.8 audio transmitter, Falcom FSA03 GPS for high alt, some sensors and the arduino duemilanove.
[10:53] <LA3QMA> i have a dopler directin finding array from ramseyelectronics that i want to get on aprs. i have tested using a basicstamp to "decode" the multiplexer. and the next step is to use a TNC-X to send a aprs packet
[10:53] <m1x10> tncx yes
[10:54] <m1x10> i mailed some guy who makes that stuff
[10:54] <m1x10> i wanted for my receiver
[10:54] <m1x10> but i ended up with radioshield
[10:55] <LA3QMA> hehe ok. its a very nice product. we are only using TNC-X with the XDigi for our digipeaters
[10:55] <LA3QMA> hmm nice these radiometrix things
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[10:56] <LA3QMA> so how do you make the ax25 ??
[10:58] <m1x10> ax25 and afsk in code
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[10:59] <LA3QMA> ahh ok. the basicstamp has to litle memory for that. i could probably use some other microchip. but i like to use the basicstamp for testing. faster to test something this way
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[11:02] <m1x10> LA3QMA, check: http://imagebin.org/107768
[11:02] <m1x10> and http://imagebin.org/107769
[11:04] <LA3QMA> nice. i have heard very little about the arduino. are they simple to use?
[11:04] <m1x10> extremely.
[11:04] <LA3QMA> linux friendly?
[11:05] <m1x10> if you already have experience with electronics it will be a piece of cake.
[11:05] <LA3QMA> open source so yes probably ;o)
[11:05] <m1x10> linux no
[11:05] <m1x10> its IDE is works in win boxes
[11:05] <LA3QMA> ahh ok wine or virtualbox then hehe
[11:05] <m1x10> no they said its not working from there either
[11:05] <DanielRichman> err no there's a linux ide
[11:05] <LA3QMA> the basicstamp is to basic regarding memory etc
[11:06] <m1x10> arduino have atmega328
[11:06] <m1x10> which has 2kb SRAM and 30km flash mem for program
[11:06] <DanielRichman> http://arduino.cc/en/Main/Software linux links there
[11:06] <DanielRichman> although personally I wouldn't use the arduino IDE
[11:06] <LA3QMA> DanielRichman: tnx
[11:06] <DanielRichman> vim avr-gcc avrdude & make
[11:06] <LA3QMA> hehe
[11:07] <m1x10> :)
[11:07] <DanielRichman> writing standard avr-libc stuff
[11:07] <m1x10> y
[11:07] <LA3QMA> maybe i have to test this
[11:07] <DanielRichman> I think the arduino library is rubbish
[11:07] <m1x10> haha
[11:07] <m1x10> what makes you say that DanielRichman !?!!?
[11:08] <DanielRichman> its slow; adds features I don't want
[11:08] <m1x10> hmm ok
[11:08] <LA3QMA> so it's based on C
[11:08] <m1x10> me too trying to use just libc than arduino things
[11:09] <LA3QMA> seems like basic in a C wrapper hehe
[11:09] <m1x10> LA3QMA, yes. C/C++ and libc stuff.
[11:10] <m1x10> you can create objects hence has C++ inside it :)
[11:10] <LA3QMA> lcd.print("hello"); things like this i should manange
[11:10] <m1x10> haha
[11:10] <m1x10> correct
[11:11] <DanielRichman> yeah it is C++; but technically you could do that with a struct
[11:11] <DanielRichman> in C
[11:12] <LA3QMA> so the control structures are like C ?? i.e if (whatever) { lcd.print("kjhgk"); }
[11:12] <LA3QMA> if so then this could be something for me :o)
[11:12] <DanielRichman> the "arduino language" is C++
[11:12] <DanielRichman> it's compiled by a c++ compiler
[11:12] <DanielRichman> the only difference is that they add a #include "WProgram.h" or something arduinoy at the top for you
[11:13] <DanielRichman> and I think they do function prototypes for you
[11:13] <LA3QMA> i have to read more about this before i'm buying. probably better to use this for my project
[11:14] <LA3QMA> the basicstamp is to basic. and using MPLAB for ordinary microchip takes to long regarding hardware
[11:17] <LA3QMA> #include <PS2Keyboard.h> i'm sold! :o) i really want this :o)
[11:19] <m1x10> :)
[11:22] <LA3QMA> basicstamp has 64bytes of RAM lol. ardunioMINI has 1kB
[11:23] <m1x10> heh
[11:24] <LA3QMA> a small difference ;o)
[11:24] <m1x10> :)
[11:24] <m1x10> you will need memorry
[11:25] <LA3QMA> i can always add to the basicstamp but 64 is very little
[11:29] <m1x10> LA3QMA, now that you say my aprs pics, do u have a genious idea of how to attach the antenna connector somewhere on aprs body ?
[11:30] <LA3QMA> the other device is that on UHF ??
[11:31] <m1x10> which exactly?
[11:31] <LA3QMA> the black thing
[11:32] <m1x10> its the antenna
[11:32] <LA3QMA> the small black
[11:32] <m1x10> GPS
[11:32] <LA3QMA> ahhh
[11:32] <LA3QMA> i would just remove the antenna and make a dipole from a wire
[11:33] <m1x10> this antenna supposed to have good gain
[11:33] <m1x10> cost me 40euro
[11:33] <LA3QMA> hehe ok. but it's just a wire anyhow ;o)
[11:33] <LA3QMA> you also need more "ground" i think.
[11:34] <LA3QMA> the shielded part i would take a wire and wrap around the box you are sending up
[11:34] <LA3QMA> or is this a 5/8 wave antenna? do you have a link?
[11:35] <m1x10> Diamond RH 789
[11:35] <m1x10> its multiband
[11:35] <m1x10> on 144.8 its l/2
[11:35] <m1x10> or ë/2 :)
[11:36] <LA3QMA> ahh ok 5/8 on UHF
[11:36] <LA3QMA> 5/8 is better when you donæt have any groundplane
[11:37] <LA3QMA> can make a wire from the shielding on the radiometrix?
[11:39] <m1x10> what do u mean shielding?
[11:42] <LA3QMA> not sure how the radiometrix is working with just the wire
[11:42] <timbobel> m1x10: its not HD, its YOUTUBE. i cant choose sheit.
[11:43] <timbobel> Daniel: whats wrong with the arduino?
[11:43] <m1x10> LA3QMA: radiometrix rf out pin -> blue wire -> antenna connector
[11:43] <m1x10> timbobel, you mean utube is not allowing HD ?
[11:44] <LA3QMA> what do i need to start using the ardunino? and is it possible to make modules so that you don't have to use the duemilanove print after programming?
[11:44] <timbobel> not for me its not
[11:44] <LA3QMA> m1x10: no markings for GND ?? for the second half of the antenna?
[11:44] <m1x10> so u have HD but cant upload it to utube.
[11:44] <timbobel> do note that its semi hd
[11:45] <m1x10> what do u mean by that timbobel ?
[11:45] <timbobel> technically HD is defined as 1020p i think
[11:45] <timbobel> this is 720
[11:45] <timbobel> hey m1x10 let me send you some raw then
[11:45] <m1x10> LA3QMA: radiometrix module has 2 rf gnd pins. I dont use them.
[11:45] <timbobel> its 94mb
[11:45] <timbobel> how do i give it do you
[11:46] <m1x10> send it from here
[11:46] <timbobel> o no its a lot bigger
[11:46] <m1x10> ./dcc send m1x10
[11:46] <m1x10> try from here
[11:47] <timbobel> o rly
[11:48] <timbobel> ./dcc send m1x10
[11:48] <m1x10> ./dcc send m1x10 without the dot at the begginng
[11:48] <timbobel> wow cool function
[11:48] <timbobel> i am sending you the 3rd clip of 3. the first noe is 2.7gb, second 1.1gb third 58mb
[11:49] <timbobel> its actually great it does a timestamp
[11:49] <m1x10> send again plz
[11:49] <timbobel> rgr
[11:49] <timbobel> ?
[11:49] <m1x10> once more. my irc is blocking your avi.
[11:49] <timbobel> at high altitudes it performs fine
[11:50] <timbobel> you should rly take a 8gb microsd though, for 2 hours of fun
[11:51] <m1x10> Accepting send
[11:51] <m1x10> Connection failed
[11:51] <m1x10> try again
[11:51] <timbobel> ;)
[11:51] <timbobel> shall i zipit
[11:51] <timbobel> rar
[11:52] <m1x10> stupid mirc
[11:52] <m1x10> DCC Get of SUNP0003.AVI from timbobel incomplete (unable to connect)
[11:52] <timbobel> ill rar his ass
[11:52] <LA3QMA> m1x10: do you have the mega or the ordinary ardunio?
[11:52] <m1x10> duemilanove
[11:52] <LA3QMA> rename the file to something else on the extension
[11:53] <m1x10> LA3QMA, its not a rejection problem now.
[11:53] <timbobel> m1x10 accept
[11:53] <m1x10> its a connection issue now
[11:53] <timbobel> i made .ra
[11:53] <timbobel> r
[11:53] <LA3QMA> m1x10: ok and the nice board you have on the top where do i get those? i have one big bord
[11:53] <m1x10> timbobel i do it but connction...
[11:53] <m1x10> LA3QMA, you wannt buy one?
[11:53] <timbobel> i will host
[11:53] <m1x10> ok
[11:53] <m1x10> drop me the url
[11:54] <LA3QMA> m1x10: yes and im sending the bill to you ;o)
[11:54] <m1x10> omg
[11:54] <m1x10> sparkfun.com
[11:54] <m1x10> where r u from/
[11:54] <m1x10> ?
[11:54] <LA3QMA> me?
[11:54] <timbobel> m1x10 need your mail
[11:57] <timbobel> have we got experience with nightflights
[11:59] <LA3QMA> m1x10: Norway
[12:01] <m1x10> LA3QMA, ouuuuu ice place
[12:02] <m1x10> timbobel, not yet.
[12:02] <LA3QMA> haha temperatures above 20'C is above my comfortable limit
[12:03] <LA3QMA> -20'C in a tent is ok... 15-19'C is summer temperature here
[12:05] <m1x10> with have 35C for a week now
[12:05] <m1x10> im melting here
[12:05] <LA3QMA> i'm melting just thinking of it hehe
[12:05] <m1x10> but -20 should be terrible !!!
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[12:05] <timbobel> LA3QMA: indeed. everything >20 is too warm
[12:05] <timbobel> morning richard
[12:06] <LA3QMA> depending on the humidity m1x10
[12:06] <LA3QMA> timbobel: hehe yes
[12:07] <LA3QMA> compared to basicstamp these arduino things have a nice price tag
[12:09] <rharrison> timbobel, fantastic launch
[12:10] <rharrison> What did you use for the tracker. A similar setup?
[12:10] <timbobel> well, as far as techniques go, im doing everything UKHAS style
[12:11] <timbobel> RTTY, 434.650 MHz NTX2 10mW; yaesu 817ND/magmount ant on car/laptop+internet.. FLDIGI 2.0
[12:13] <timbobel> ..50baud,500shift (yeah dont get me started),7n1..
[12:14] <timbobel> NO signal loss at all
[12:15] <rharrison> Cool
[12:15] <rharrison> Well soundls like the shift could be tweeked but you got the result you were after
[12:15] <timbobel> indeed, i wasn't worried about it.
[12:15] <rharrison> I think this is the first boat recovery
[12:16] <rharrison> Was that part of the master plan?
[12:16] <timbobel> it seems the .650 modules have different characteristics than the .075 you use
[12:16] <rharrison> Yep you just need to play with the resistors
[12:16] <timbobel> rharrisson, no, but happy about it, sicne it crashed with 20m/s
[12:16] <rharrison> hehe
[12:16] <timbobel> it was because it went up way to quickly
[12:16] <timbobel> otherwise it would have traveled longer and further (óver the lake)
[12:16] <rharrison> Slight parachute problem then :)
[12:17] <rharrison> Ok it was the lake and not the sea
[12:17] <rharrison> you electronics seems to have survivied
[12:17] <timbobel> im now going to make a speed-table, but i might not be comfortable publishing that since it really hurled down
[12:17] <timbobel> yeah well, its like, a closed off sea; there is a dyke so technically not sea
[12:17] <timbobel> its salty though ;)
[12:18] <rharrison> Was it for of water proof?
[12:18] <rharrison> I guess it floated
[12:18] <timbobel> no it wasnt waterproof at all
[12:18] <timbobel> just 10cm of cheap styrofoam
[12:18] <timbobel> it floated like crazy
[12:18] <timbobel> only one lens was submerged and thus wet, that's it.
[12:18] <rharrison> Dry inside?
[12:18] <timbobel> yes!!
[12:18] <rharrison> Perfect
[12:18] <timbobel> i took cam out
[12:19] <timbobel> still making pics
[12:19] <timbobel> the 560, was on pic 700
[12:19] <rharrison> So for the next lauch you need to sort the parachute bit out
[12:19] <timbobel> i needed your help before with the 720IS, i had a 8gb card.. you see the prob
[12:19] <timbobel> rharisson, yes definately
[12:20] <DanielRichman> hey rharrison
[12:20] <DanielRichman> you appear to be back in the country
[12:20] <rharrison> I use a rule of thirds which has served me well. Parachute 2/3 rds of the way along the line and then the balloon at the end. Often the whole balloon will come back with the payload and this can get entangeld in the parachute!
[12:20] <rharrison> Hey DanielRichman
[12:21] <DanielRichman> nice trip?
[12:21] <rharrison> Yep back from two weeks in france
[12:21] <rharrison> Perfect
[12:21] <DanielRichman> cool; you're at work I guess - are you busy, or up for talking about trackers and stuff?
[12:22] <rharrison> But busy at the moment as it's the first day back. But fire me a question
[12:23] <DanielRichman> ok well I was wondering if you were following the "UKHAS VPS?" thread on the mailing list; given your involvement in the tracker I'm particularly interested in your comment
[12:23] <rharrison> No I haven't seen it
[12:24] <DanielRichman> there's no rush. You probably don't need to read the whole thread, either; http://groups.google.com/group/ukhas/browse_thread/thread/e5417cacff521ada
[12:24] <DanielRichman> also do you mind if I add you to ukhas-tools@googlegroups.com ?
[12:25] <DanielRichman> (it was suggested that we move discussion/spam away from the main list)
[12:28] <rharrison> DanielRichman, add me that will be cool
[12:28] <rharrison> I have reacently registered and is now working www.highaltitudeprojects.com
[12:29] <rharrison> This is to get away from my own private namespace
[12:29] <rharrison> Also I like the globalness of the name
[12:29] <rharrison> ie not linked to the UK or elsewhere
[12:31] <rharrison> This just links to my homepage at the moment.
[12:31] <rharrison> It works for the client to send data to the server too
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[12:32] <DanielRichman> ok rharrison. What do you think about setting up a VPS registered and rdnsing to UKHAS and giving people access to that?
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[12:34] <rharrison> What is the sort of cost involved with a VPS?
[12:34] <DanielRichman> $20/mo
[12:34] <DanielRichman> (linode)
[12:34] <rharrison> Not bad who will finance this?
[12:34] <DanielRichman> james suggested asking for contributions
[12:35] <rharrison> I'm happy to contribute
[12:35] <rharrison> I'm also happy to supply a server foc for the whole thing on a 100mb/s connection
[12:35] <DanielRichman> great :) - ukhas-tools@googlegroups.com; I PM'd you the email to add, is it correct?
[12:36] <DanielRichman> oooh interesting rharrison; will have to discuss.
[12:36] <DanielRichman> I was wondering if it was possible to open-source the tracker code
[12:36] <DanielRichman> - whatever state it is in - so that we can hack on it and change it. Ed
[12:36] <DanielRichman> has some interesting ideas involving couchdb that he'd like to get stuck
[12:36] <DanielRichman> into.
[12:36] <rharrison> Yep so long as we use git and other tools then I can't see it been a problem if we initially host on a free server and then roll it out to paid later
[12:37] <m1x10> ping timbobel
[12:37] <rharrison> If I go under it should only be a case of resinstalling on VPS
[12:37] <DanielRichman> ok. I also emailed natrium about this. What's the current status of the tracker code?
[12:38] <rharrison> Server is currently stable but needs a clean up which I plan to do and then release on GIT
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[12:38] <DanielRichman> do the versions on your site and spacenear.us differ?
[12:39] <rharrison> I am encouraging people to still send data to my server so we keep a historical list of flights
[12:39] <DanielRichman> yeah I'd like to see a flight archive come into existance
[12:40] <rharrison> Well as far as I'm aware the listener server is not on spacenear.us and my tracker is out of date but allows acceess to historical missiond
[12:40] <rharrison> http://www.robertharrison.org/tracker/map.php?height=1050&mission_id=103
[12:40] <rharrison> Like that
[12:41] <DanielRichman> ok. How much effort - not including refactoring or cleanup, is involved in putting it on git? I guess it's just removing a few db. passwords?
[12:42] <rharrison> Yep I think we should put natriums code up as 99.9% of this is natriums and his version is much further on
[12:42] <DanielRichman> ok, I'll await a reply from him
[12:42] <rharrison> The listener server I'm happy to put out there
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[12:43] <rharrison> dl Client -> dl Server -> Tracker
[12:43] <rharrison> pred -> dl Client -> dl Server -> Tracker
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[12:44] <rharrison> cusf -> us -> us -> natrium
[12:44] <rharrison> DanielRichman, thats the way I see it at the moment
[12:44] <DanielRichman> ok
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[12:46] <DanielRichman> timezones are a pain
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[12:47] <rharrison> .
[12:53] <timbobel> agreed
[12:58] <timbobel> jonsowman: thanks for putting the SMS tracker info into the tracker btw
[13:08] <m1x10> ping timbobel
[13:26] <Upu> Hey rharrison welcome back
[13:29] <griffonbot> Email from Chris Hembrow <chris.hembrow@pixelseventy2.net>: "Re: UKHAS VPS?"
[13:32] <Upu> don't need to pay for a VPS I have a spare server and some space in a data center what spec does it need to be ?
[13:33] <DanielRichman> Upu: that's the second offer from someone with a spare server today ;P. Thank you for the offer. We're not setting it up immediately (but soon, I guess). There are disadvantages and advantages to using someone's spare server.
[13:34] <griffonbot> Email from T Zaman <timbobel@gmail.com>: "Re: Launch *NOW*"
[13:34] <Upu> I know, just going to the data center tommorrow
[13:35] <DanielRichman> I see
[13:35] <Upu> anyway you know where I am if you want it, what o/s would you want on it ?
[13:35] <Upu> out of interest
[13:36] <juxta> solaris, to make things interesting!
[13:36] <DanielRichman> eh we haven't even got to the OS debate. When we do I myself am going to lean on the side of Ubuntu
[13:36] <DanielRichman> upstart is just cool
[13:37] <Upu> lol I'd go with just Debian personally :)
[13:37] <DanielRichman> testing or stable?
[13:37] <Upu> Stable
[13:37] <Upu> got a few severs on that and Centos
[13:38] <Upu> business ones I use Centos, personal ones Debian
[13:38] <DanielRichman> I don't like yum
[13:38] <juxta> i dont like yum either
[13:38] <Upu> I have no real preference really
[13:40] <griffonbot> Email from T Zaman <timbobel@gmail.com>: "HoHoHo I (NL) Splasdown & Recovery"
[13:41] <timbobel> allright im taking a nice long break now
[13:41] <timbobel> recovering myself.
[13:42] <fsphil> yum is great
[13:42] <fsphil> :)
[13:42] <m1x10> :)
[13:42] <fsphil> deserve it timbobel :)
[13:43] <timbobel> peace out
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[13:49] <Upu> btw https://www.servocity.com/html/tube_servo_power_gearboxes.html check that out for the car mounted track-0-tron
[13:50] <Upu> we are doing some small scale testing, possibly offloading all the maths to an iPhone
[13:50] <juxta> very cool
[13:51] <juxta> a microcontroller should be able to handle the maths though, shouldnt it?
[13:52] <Upu> not sure there is alot of compass tilt compensation
[13:52] <Upu> and more complex mathematic functions
[13:56] <fsphil> that descent video is MAD
[13:57] <Upu> is that in the mail ?
[13:57] <Upu> just looking now
[13:58] <fsphil> I think so, it's on his youtube channel anyway
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[13:58] <fsphil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPyG4ahAHb0
[13:58] <fsphil> starts of nice and calm
[13:58] <fsphil> especially considering the rate it fell
[13:58] <Upu> watching
[13:58] <fsphil> but then it gets interesting :)
[14:01] <Upu> making me dizzy
[14:02] <m1x10> vomit :)
[14:02] <SpeedEvil> Were there two cameras?
[14:02] <SpeedEvil> I got the impression at times there was a downwards facing one too
[14:02] <Upu> anything of it hitting the water
[14:02] <m1x10> AEE MD80 spycam. Can anyone find a cheap price for it?
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[14:24] <rharrison> Upu, thanks
[14:32] <fsphil> three cameras I think
[14:32] <fsphil> two a560's and a little keychain thing
[14:32] <Upu> When are you planning on launching next Rob ? I'm getting along with my computer and I'd just like to tag along if possible to see how it all works, I'll drive ofc
[14:35] <rharrison> Upu, sure I'll let you know I'm just waiting for permission to launch from York
[14:35] <Upu> that would be even better
[14:35] <rharrison> Which is loads closer than camb
[14:35] <Upu> yeah
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[15:14] <fsphil> caa seem to be very busy atm, I've yet to hear back from them
[15:15] <fsphil> from an email last week
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[15:53] <juxta> ping earthshine
[15:54] <earthshine> yo
[15:54] <juxta> hey there, how's things?
[15:57] <earthshine> Not bad considering
[15:57] <earthshine> you?
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[16:17] <juxta> well down here asides from the weather
[16:17] <juxta> any news on your project earthshine?
[16:24] <earthshine> juxta: its on hold. I am writing a book and it is a tight deadline so I have no spare time.
[16:24] <juxta> oh right, I didn't realise
[16:24] <juxta> what sort of book?
[16:25] <earthshine> http://amzn.to/a64pEq
[16:26] <juxta> hey, nice! :)
[16:26] <earthshine> :)
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[16:27] <timbobel> omg
[16:27] <timbobel> i just got a call from the provinces' newspaper
[16:27] <earthshine> cool
[16:27] <juxta> good work timbobel :)
[16:28] <juxta> earthshine, I don't suppose you heard back re that GPS module?
[16:28] <timbobel> could be nice
[16:28] <timbobel> theyre comming tomorrow at 10 and bringing a photographer haha
[16:29] <juxta> hey timbobel, what did the boat owner think of going to get the payload?
[16:29] <juxta> & how did you find it in the water?
[16:30] <timbobel> haha
[16:30] <timbobel> it went like this
[16:30] <timbobel> "Find my payload and earn 100,-" otherwise you earn nothing.
[16:30] <timbobel> we did spend e50,- on gasoline only
[16:31] <juxta> for the car you mean?
[16:31] <timbobel> how did we find it, yeah, was pretty difficult, not sure about if wed find it. but i thought, man, it has to be SOMEwhere near
[16:31] <timbobel> no we said to the guys in the speedboat
[16:31] <timbobel> hey earn 100 if you find my spyrofoam box
[16:31] <timbobel> and i guided them
[16:31] <timbobel> on my laptop i had the tracker with the position
[16:31] <timbobel> on my iphone i had the position i was at
[16:31] <timbobel> so we were just going to that position
[16:32] <timbobel> but it had drifted for an hour already
[16:32] <juxta> yeah
[16:32] <timbobel> 200 green under-water pictures
[16:32] <juxta> hehe
[16:32] <timbobel> you can see how we went with the boat on my schematic
[16:32] <juxta> yep, I saw
[16:32] <timbobel> http://hollandshoogte.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/splashdown.jpg
[16:32] <juxta> why green under water?
[16:32] <timbobel> water in here is full of algee
[16:32] <juxta> some error of the camera? or the parachute?
[16:32] <timbobel> no error
[16:32] <timbobel> no chute
[16:32] <timbobel> i invite you to holland ;)
[16:33] <timbobel> its nowhere near as clear as the pacific
[16:33] <timbobel> and if its not clear, its that greenish color
[16:33] <timbobel> but first i got out the camera
[16:33] <juxta> oh wow - I thought that was all one colour in the picture
[16:33] <timbobel> i checked the pics (just made number 700, still no low battery)
[16:33] <juxta> but I can see there's some slight variation
[16:33] <timbobel> so i was like
[16:33] <juxta> so that's what the water is actually like
[16:33] <timbobel> SHIIIIIIIT all green pictures
[16:33] <timbobel> and the guy in the boat was like
[16:33] <timbobel> duhhh its been under water
[16:34] <juxta> haha
[16:34] <timbobel> (which is weird because he wasnt the smartest guy in the world)
[16:34] <timbobel> and i was like
[16:34] <timbobel> ah yeah
[16:34] <timbobel> i showed them the pictures, and then they understood
[16:34] <timbobel> before they were like "ehmmm but what is this project for? why? etc"
[16:34] <SpeedEvil> timbobel: was htere only one camera?
[16:34] <timbobel> 3 cams
[16:34] <juxta> so what happened with the descent speed? did the parachute get tangled up?
[16:35] <timbobel> parachute mayhem.
[16:35] <timbobel> oh yes
[16:35] <SpeedEvil> timbobel: some of the video seemed to show a downwards facing one - or was that caps from swings
[16:35] <sbasuita> timbobel: i noticed you used a really short distance between payload and balloon
[16:35] <timbobel> speedevil: no that was my spycam (see a previous post about it)
[16:35] <sbasuita> timbobel: if you increase that 10x then you will get less swaying
[16:35] <SpeedEvil> ah
[16:35] <timbobel> increase who?
[16:35] <juxta> and less tangling with the balloon at burst from my experience
[16:35] <sbasuita> timbobel: length of the string attaching payload to balloon
[16:36] <timbobel> yeah i know
[16:36] <timbobel> i told the guys i wanted 10 metres
[16:36] <timbobel> but we were in such a rush
[16:36] <timbobel> i had no preperation at all, no checklist etc
[16:36] <juxta> hehe
[16:37] <timbobel> omg blogstats have now reached 600 visits already
[16:37] <timbobel> seems to have been worth the effort
[16:37] <juxta> :)
[16:37] <timbobel> maybe its cool if it let my next payload go to UK?
[16:37] <timbobel> i have helium+balloon left, for one load, and have to bring it back in 3 weeks..
[16:37] <sbasuita> channel crossing would be cool
[16:38] <juxta> that would be awesome :)
[16:38] <timbobel> but the winds are usually off, right?
[16:38] <sbasuita> yeah i doubt the winds would cooperate
[16:38] <juxta> usually the other way I think
[16:38] <timbobel> yeah
[16:38] <juxta> how much distance did you put between the payload and balloon sbasuita?
[16:38] <timbobel> but we need a UK chasecar then ;)
[16:38] <DanielRichman> timbobel: do you have video of the splashdown?
[16:39] <juxta> yeah, I was kind of hoping to see that too!
[16:39] <sbasuita> juxta: it wasn't measured as such.
[16:39] <timbobel> danielrichman: no, batterys dead after 120 mins of filming
[16:39] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: do we have a pic of it?
[16:39] <DanielRichman> sbasuita: we used rjh's rule of thirds
[16:39] <DanielRichman> and just used all the cord we had
[16:39] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: yeah but what was the total length
[16:39] <DanielRichman> dunno.
[16:39] <juxta> sbasuita, yeah, I never measured mine either, i just put what feels like 'enough'
[16:40] <juxta> this much: http://projecthorus.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/IMG_09231.jpg
[16:40] <DanielRichman> 11:20 < rharrison> I use a rule of thirds which has served me well. Parachute 2/3 rds of the way along the line and then the balloon at the end. Often the whole balloon will come back with the payload and this can get entangeld in the parachute!
[16:40] <juxta> yeah
[16:41] <sbasuita> juxta: memory tells me yours was a bit longer
[16:41] <juxta> that one was quite long
[16:42] <timbobel> but my dad, as an enthousiast thought (when i was getting the payload rdy) that "more helium is better" so thats why we had 5~10ms/ lift and thus crashed in the sealake
[16:42] <juxta> I think the other were a bit shorter maybe, i sort of just pace out a rough distance and go with that
[16:42] <timbobel> AAAAAAAAAAHAHA JUXTA
[16:42] <timbobel> wttttfffffffffffffffffffff
[16:42] <timbobel> did you use 100 metres of rope!?
[16:42] <timbobel> hahahahahahahah
[16:42] <timbobel> gggsus hahaha
[16:42] <juxta> no, that's about 20m I guess
[16:43] <timbobel> by the way, is that cow in the background wearing a red coat?
[16:43] <timbobel> do animals downunder wear clothes?
[16:43] <juxta> a horse
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[16:43] <SpeedEvil> Jesus
[16:43] <SpeedEvil> that's a horse.
[16:43] <SpeedEvil> Townies.
[16:43] <SpeedEvil> :)
[16:43] <timbobel> not wearing glasses
[16:43] <juxta> that worked very well though, we got a descent rate of 5m/s on that balloon, and on the next one we got a descent rate of 3m/s
[16:43] <SpeedEvil> horse blankets are quite common.
[16:44] <SpeedEvil> I've never seen a cow blanket
[16:44] <timbobel> rofl
[16:44] <juxta> nor have I
[16:44] <timbobel> thats why
[16:44] <juxta> my first payload the line was shorter and things tangled up timbobel, i got something like your descent rate
[16:45] <juxta> hit the ground very hard
[16:45] <LA3QMA> the next thing is that you are telling me that the horse is using shoes too ;o)
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[16:47] <juxta> this was my first one timbobel, the balloon tangled up with the chute after it burst: http://projecthorus.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Horus1-18.jpg
[16:47] <LA3QMA> btw: http://www.youtube.com/user/jonpetter88 check the EOS1 (/edge of space)
[16:47] <LA3QMA> he started in our forum and wanted to start testing thing. this is his first flight
[16:48] <SpeedEvil> Horses are really pigs with stilts, and clothes.
[16:48] <juxta> pigs that make not so horrible noises
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[16:49] <LA3QMA> i think he got his HAM call after this event. anyhow a videolink, camera and a cellphone with autoanswer and tinytrack on i think it was
[16:49] <juxta> that live video link is cool LA3QMA
[16:49] <LA3QMA> yes. he made a few adjustments to the hardware for when the tracker should be enabled etc
[16:51] <LA3QMA> he have a video when he is controlling a RC plane via a live videolink hehe
[16:52] <juxta> ah yeah I've seen those
[16:52] <rharrison> timbobel, You should go for about 20meters of line
[16:52] <juxta> nice that it worked well adpated to the balloon
[16:54] <juxta> hey rharrison, haven't seen you about much of late
[16:55] <rharrison> juxta, just got back from two weeks in france
[16:55] <timbobel> is there a airplane tracker where you can see where they are?
[16:55] <juxta> oh nice, holidays?
[16:58] <rharrison> yep with the kids
[16:59] <rharrison> and the wife :)
[17:00] <juxta> ah that sounds good, I keep forgetting it's summer pretty much everywhere else
[17:00] <juxta> I saw something the other day about you going over to the US for a talk or something I think?
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[17:03] <griffonbot> Email from Neil Baker <neil@futurity.co.uk>: "Re: HoHoHo I (NL) Splasdown & Recovery"
[17:04] <sbasuita> timbobel: http://www.flightradar24.com/
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[17:11] <rharrison> juxta, I'm going to electronica in Germany in November and they are going to pay travel and my time off work
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[17:18] <timbobel> who know how to make jpg to avi? streaming pics
[17:18] <DanielRichman> I think you can do it with either mencoder or ffmpeg with some options
[17:18] <DanielRichman> I've forgotten the options though
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[17:36] <m1x10> timbobel
[17:36] <m1x10> you need ffmpeg in linux to do this
[17:36] <m1x10> search google at this direction
[17:37] <m1x10> its a simple command
[17:37] <DanielRichman> if you find a way to do it with mencoder you can do it on your windows box, they release binaries
[17:37] <m1x10> using ffmpeg you can also do it HD for youtube
[17:37] <m1x10> DanielRichman fast question
[17:37] <DanielRichman> ok
[17:38] <m1x10> I got a capacitor with short/long lead
[17:38] <m1x10> which is neg/pos ?
[17:38] <DanielRichman> short is neg
[17:38] <m1x10> ok
[17:38] <m1x10> thx
[17:38] <DanielRichman> should be marked on the cap itself anyway
[17:38] <m1x10> yes its not marked on the pcb
[17:38] <m1x10> im soldering the radioshield
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[17:46] <DanielRichman> hey natrium42
[17:47] <natrium42> hi
[17:47] <DanielRichman> how's it going?
[17:47] <natrium42> got your email
[17:47] <natrium42> good, got back from conference in US
[17:47] <DanielRichman> aah. That'll explain why I've been having trouble getting hold of you
[17:47] <natrium42> :)
[17:48] <natrium42> internet connection was very spotty
[17:48] <DanielRichman> you've arrived back on exactly the same day as rharrison
[17:48] <rharrison> hehe
[17:48] <rharrison> Hi natrium42 good break?
[17:48] <natrium42> yeah, i haven't been in LA before
[17:49] <natrium42> got to visit hollywood, beverly hills, etc
[17:51] <rharrison> cool
[17:52] <rharrison> right I'm off home to do some DIY :(
[17:52] <rharrison> bbiab
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[17:55] <fsphil> hey natrium42, you missed the *real* chase boat
[17:55] <natrium42> yeah XD
[17:55] <natrium42> good stuff
[17:55] <fsphil> we need an icon :)
[17:56] <natrium42> haha
[17:56] <natrium42> i'll add it if you chuck one over to me
[17:57] <fsphil> I'll give it a go
[17:58] <fsphil> but first, dinner...
[18:05] <LA3QMA> kgb13yre
[18:05] <LA3QMA> woho
[18:06] <LA3QMA> coffee here
[18:08] <natrium42> where?!
[18:09] <LA3QMA> hehe
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[18:18] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[18:25] <timbobel> evening
[18:25] <Lunar_Lander> how's the life the day after flight 1?
[18:25] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[18:33] <m1x10> hi Lunar_Lander
[18:33] <Lunar_Lander> hi m1x10
[18:33] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[18:33] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.orbiterradio.com/
[18:33] <Lunar_Lander> quick
[18:33] <Lunar_Lander> listen in :)
[18:35] <griffonbot> @dbsnyder: RT @N9XTN: Today's ground photos posted http://bit.ly/d4tMz3 #ARHAB [http://twitter.com/dbsnyder/status/20155533997]
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[18:37] <m1x10> Ok. All see. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeQL-dUjlOg&feature=player_embedded
[18:38] <m1x10> Must
[18:38] <Upu> well I might be transmitting telemetry no idea I have no radio :)
[18:39] <fsphil> a rather important entry on the todo list :)
[18:40] <Upu> yup
[18:40] <Upu> I can borrow a radio
[18:40] <Upu> but never used one before
[18:41] <Upu> I guess I just set the frequency, set SSB and the shift somewhere and I should hear some RTTY ?
[18:41] <Upu> assuming the code is right
[18:42] <fsphil> basically, yep
[18:42] <fsphil> the signal should stand out big time
[18:42] <fsphil> even without an antenna plugged in
[18:42] <Upu> ok
[18:43] <Lunar_Lander> m1x10 did you check my link?
[18:45] <m1x10> yes
[18:45] <m1x10> a song was playing
[18:45] <m1x10> but didnt understand whats your point
[18:46] <Lunar_Lander> there will be some guy talking in a minute
[18:46] <Lunar_Lander> and that guy is me
[18:46] <Lunar_Lander> :D
[18:46] <m1x10> oh lol
[18:46] <m1x10> talk about what?
[18:47] <m1x10> lol
[18:47] <m1x10> u talk now?
[18:47] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[18:48] <Lunar_Lander> can you hear it?
[18:48] <m1x10> call my nick
[18:48] <m1x10> :)
[18:48] <m1x10> hahahha
[18:49] <m1x10> whats the name of the radio ?
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[18:49] <m1x10> station
[18:50] <m1x10> ok
[18:50] <m1x10> got u
[18:51] <m1x10> Lunar_Lander is funny guy
[18:51] <Lunar_Lander> thanks :)
[18:51] <m1x10> you speak often there?
[18:52] <Lunar_Lander> I had a three week break
[18:52] <Lunar_Lander> but now I will be there Thursdays
[18:52] <Lunar_Lander> 16-18
[18:52] <Lunar_Lander> if greece is the same time zone as germany :D
[18:52] <m1x10> ur a radio performer?
[18:53] <m1x10> at which freq ? fm/am ?
[18:53] <Lunar_Lander> only internet
[18:53] <Lunar_Lander> and the radio actually belongs to someone else
[18:53] <m1x10> ah lol
[18:53] <Lunar_Lander> I am just one of several hosts
[18:53] <m1x10> he said m1x10
[18:53] <m1x10> so fun
[18:54] <Lunar_Lander> xD yeaj
[18:54] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:00] <m1x10> do u want to see my final aprs pic ?
[19:02] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:03] <m1x10> http://imagebin.org/107769, http://imagebin.org/107768
[19:03] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[19:03] <m1x10> looks more like a lego
[19:03] <m1x10> :P
[19:04] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:07] <timbobel> cute board
[19:07] <timbobel> i would solder it up though
[19:08] <timbobel> i mean, my datacable came loose from the T68i mobile; and that datacable was REALLY stuck; i had a hard time removing it each time.
[19:10] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[19:10] <Lunar_Lander> timbobel I liked the video btw :)
[19:12] <timbobel> yeah... windows movie maker
[19:12] <timbobel> my pinaccle crashed 10 times, so i thought ok lets keep it basic. and i wanted to be done with it so that today i could chill
[19:12] <timbobel> dinnertime
[19:14] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:35] <DanielRichman> m1x10: that wire between the bnc connector and the radiometrix is a bit long...
[19:35] <DanielRichman> then again you've got it in the breadboard anyway so it's not exactly going to be well tuned
[19:36] <DanielRichman> brb
[19:36] <m1x10> DanielRichman, although I finished the aprs system, I still havent figure a way to attach the antenna on the it.
[19:37] <m1x10> so what you see for the antenna part is not finished yet
[19:40] <m1x10> for those who use ublox based GPS: there is a way to disable SBAS subsystem on the GPS. SBAS is not available in countries, plus if we disable it it can reduce power consume.
[19:41] <m1x10> SBAS (Satellite Based Augmentation Systems), ublox datasheet page 20
[19:44] <m1x10> There are several compatible SBAS systems available or in development all around the world:
[19:44] <m1x10> • WAAS (Wide Area Augmentation System) for North America has been in operation since 2003.
[19:44] <m1x10> • MSAS (Multi-Functional Satellite Augmentation System) for Asia has been in operation since 2007.
[19:44] <m1x10> • EGNOS (European Geostationary Navigation Overlay Service) is in test mode ESTB (EGNOS satellite test bed).
[19:44] <m1x10> EGNOS has passed the ORR (Operational Readiness Review) in Q2/2005. Full operation of EGNOS is planned
[19:44] <m1x10> for 2008.
[19:44] <m1x10> • GAGAN (GPS Aided Geo Augmented Navigation), developed by the Indian government is in test mode and
[19:44] <m1x10> expected to be operational by 2010.
[19:45] <m1x10> in EU we have EGNOS which is still not used.
[19:45] <m1x10> so its worth trying to disable it
[19:47] <SpeedEvil> Why do you think EGNOS isn't active?
[19:48] <m1x10> pdf said that
[19:48] <SpeedEvil> The system started its initial operations in July 2005, showing outstanding performances in terms of accuracy (better than two metres) and availability (above 99%); it is intended to be certified for use in safety of life applications in 2010. A commercial service is under test and will also be made available in 2010. says wikipedia
[19:49] <m1x10> on pdf sais EGNOS is in test mode
[19:50] <m1x10> but anyway, do we really need SBAS subsystem?
[19:50] <SpeedEvil> I'm unsure it will actually increase power use.
[19:50] <SpeedEvil> Does it sayit does?
[19:50] <m1x10> here http://diydrones.com/profiles/blogs/wiring-up-ublox-only-for-pros says: SBAS appears to cause occasional severe altitude calcuation errors
[19:51] <m1x10> SpeedEvil its a subsystem. When works consumes. When not doesnt consume. At least thats how I think of course.
[19:51] <SpeedEvil> Doens't always work that way
[19:53] <SpeedEvil> I'd also question where he's getting the 'appears to'... I don't see any great reason for ti to do so.
[19:53] <m1x10> he uses it in a plane
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[19:54] <m1x10> and he says it causes altitude issues
[19:55] <SpeedEvil> Sure. I just question if that's real.
[19:55] <m1x10> we can learn if we try
[19:55] <SpeedEvil> Anyway - you almost certainly won't save any power - it's recieved along with the other satellites, by the same hardware, on the same frequency
[19:55] <m1x10> I just dont know to syntax a command
[19:55] <SpeedEvil> there is no additional reciever.
[19:56] <m1x10> ok, its received. But its wont be processed.
[19:56] <SpeedEvil> The processing is essentially trivial.
[19:57] <SpeedEvil> It's a very slow rate datastream carrying ionospheric info.
[19:57] <LA3QMA> m1x10: the ax25 is it many lines of code??
[19:58] <m1x10> SpeedEvil, I want to disable it !
[19:58] <m1x10> LA3QMA, its a couple of functions
[19:59] <m1x10> not something great if u have coding experience
[19:59] <LA3QMA> have you hard coded a packet and just make the crc for each?
[20:00] <SpeedEvil> m1x10: Well - do so? REad the documentation and turn it off.
[20:00] <m1x10> aprs packets are build at runtime. then encapsulated to ax25 frames. then modulated with AFSK
[20:00] <LA3QMA> det er også litt avhengig av hvor PTT er aktivert
[20:00] <LA3QMA> ehh sorry wrong chan
[20:00] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:00] <m1x10> :
[20:01] <m1x10> p
[20:01] <SpeedEvil> SorryI'mperhapsnotbeingashelpful as I might - got aheadache.
[20:01] <SpeedEvil> Alsoabrokenspacebar
[20:01] <m1x10> SpeedEvil, help me disable it :)
[20:02] <SpeedEvil> Unplug it?
[20:02] <SpeedEvil> I don't happen to have one, sorry, so I haven't looked at the spec.
[20:03] <m1x10> oh
[20:03] <m1x10> I though from your talking that u have one
[20:03] <m1x10> sorry !!
[20:04] <SpeedEvil> I was just addressing the GPS format and satellites in general
[20:04] <m1x10> :):)
[20:05] <m1x10> I just believe that disabling something cause less processing, hence less power. at least some ìA.
[20:05] <m1x10> maybe I become a power nerd !
[20:09] <m1x10> Im reading a strange pdf for ublox
[20:09] <DanielRichman> given that your ublox will consume ~50-100mA I don't think that the couple of uA you save will have that much of an effect
[20:09] <m1x10> which describring how to send a coomand to put the gps at sleep mode !
[20:09] <m1x10> is anyone aware of that?
[20:10] <m1x10> and how to save settings using the battery backed SRAM
[20:10] <DanielRichman> why would you want to..
[20:11] <m1x10> DanielRichman if it sleeps then it will take time to get lock again?
[20:11] <DanielRichman> I don't know. When would you put it to sleep?
[20:11] <m1x10> every minute i send a string
[20:12] <DanielRichman> oh right yes you send strings quite slowly on APRS
[20:12] <DanielRichman> well not slowly; infrequently
[20:12] <DanielRichman> every minute? how fast were the knoxville(?) guys sending them when they got raged on for spamming the aprs network?
[20:13] <LA3QMA> using no path you can zsend quite frequently i would think
[20:14] <LA3QMA> but if you are listening for a free channel this might be a problem so sending even if the channel is occupied is probably required
[20:14] <SpeedEvil> m1x10: How long is your flight?
[20:14] <LA3QMA> change the rate and path below a sertan altitude
[20:16] <m1x10> SpeedEvil, what do u mean?
[20:17] <SpeedEvil> m1x10: I mean that if it's a 'normal' length - 4-6 hours - say - the battery usage is quite irrelvant.
[20:18] <SpeedEvil> And you want some power dissipated anyway, as it keeps the GPS wam to a degree, and avoids drift problems due to that
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[20:19] <m1x10> SpeedEvil agree
[20:19] <m1x10> it will be a 2-3max long i believe
[20:20] <m1x10> u believe I wont have issues with battery usage?
[20:20] <DanielRichman> aslong as you use the ultimate lithiums
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[20:23] <m1x10> i will them
[20:25] <m1x10> ublox also has a feature to request position only when need it
[20:25] <m1x10> if you dont request its not acuiring
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[21:56] <Randomskk> DanielRichman: looks good
[21:57] <DanielRichman> :)
[21:58] <Randomskk> I'm still in favour of a linode vs a dedicated box
[21:58] <DanielRichman> Yes I think I agree
[21:58] <Randomskk> I've had fairly significant (>1yr) experience sysadmining both and VPSs are way, way easier to use
[21:58] <Randomskk> having a dedicated box that is actually owned by someone else also somewhat puts us at their mercy
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[21:59] <DanielRichman> that's a diplomatic way to say it; I was trying to figure out one
[21:59] <Randomskk> if they later decide they don't want to keep the server up, or can't afford to host us, or anything like that
[21:59] <DanielRichman> rjh and ed have come up with separate euphemisms for that point
[21:59] <Randomskk> having one that we pay for as a collective, with multiple of us as account admins on linode, means we can take anyone dropping out
[21:59] <DanielRichman> also a dedicated server at a colo, where the person who's going to drive to the colo is a volunteer, is not a good idea
[22:00] <Randomskk> obviously we still have to trust the people we do select as admins, they can still rm -rf / or delete the vps etc, but we don't have to trust them to never leave
[22:00] <Randomskk> or, rather, we don't rely on any one person
[22:00] <Randomskk> fewer single points of failure etc
[22:00] <DanielRichman> yep
[22:00] <DanielRichman> and virtual heads don't smash into virtual platters
[22:01] <Randomskk> quite
[22:01] <Randomskk> though of course VPSs are stored on real platters in the long run
[22:01] <Randomskk> my calc could really do with some rounded corners
[22:01] <Randomskk> oh well
[22:01] <DanielRichman> via some fairly thench raid
[22:01] <Randomskk> yea.
[22:01] <Randomskk> and if we are going VPS, I definitely recommend linode
[22:02] <Randomskk> even though jonsowman shotgunned the referral >_>
[22:02] <DanielRichman> heh he actually shotgunned it twice
[22:02] <DanielRichman> once on irc; while you were at work
[22:02] <Randomskk> lol bastard
[22:02] <Randomskk> ah well
[22:02] <DanielRichman> i know ! There should be rules about this kinda thing
[22:02] <Randomskk> I know rite
[22:02] <Randomskk> someone aught to regulate shotgunning
[22:02] <DanielRichman> do you use the linode backup service?
[22:03] <Randomskk> I don't, I use amazon s3 for backup
[22:03] <DanielRichman> I thought so
[22:03] <Randomskk> cronjob tars files, dumps db, encrypts and uploads to s3
[22:03] <Randomskk> costs me about 20¢/mo
[22:03] <DanielRichman> the linode backup service is strange
[22:03] <Randomskk> it's actually quite good for what it is - a perfect image backup of your server
[22:03] <Randomskk> anything fucks up, just click restore
[22:03] <Randomskk> my backups are files in case someone deletes something, but they won't get me the server back without some work
[22:04] <DanielRichman> as far as I can tell, the hyperviser or one of its friends takes a block-level snapshot of your disk, then another virtual box mounts it up and does a file level ackup onto the final backup disk
[22:04] <DanielRichman> it's a strange system
[22:04] <Randomskk> that is a bit curious
[22:04] <Randomskk> but either way, it's not really needed - we can keep all the code on github and make everything else rapid-deployment
[22:04] <DanielRichman> I'm not sure whether that is correct; perhpas I should ask #linode
[22:04] <DanielRichman> yes agreed
[22:05] <Randomskk> the whole point is of course that all the tools are rapidly deployable anyway
[22:05] <Randomskk> especially if we're going for some sort of epic super decentralised system
[22:05] <Randomskk> I'm not sure how couchdb replication knows who to replicate to
[22:05] <Randomskk> whether you still tell it a server or not, basically
[22:05] <earthshine> Why are there only 4 people on the Hackspace members page?
[22:06] <Randomskk> people cba updating wikis I guess. london?
[22:06] <DanielRichman> using couchdb for the tracker would also be nice for post-flight, if you kept a log (we had a second by second gps log) you could update the high-def trace for the archive very easily, syncing it in
[22:06] <Randomskk> I really want proper logs of all the flights to be stored, and none of this renaming a text file busines
[22:06] <Randomskk> especially for later analysis or comparison to prediction etc
[22:06] <earthshine> oops wrong channel
[22:06] <earthshine> lol
[22:07] <Randomskk> :P
[22:07] <DanielRichman> I've only found one type of user that can be bothered to update a wiki; and it's a spambot
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[22:10] <DanielRichman> right phone is setup to access ssh (irc)... now I can install 10.04
[22:13] <DanielRichman> Randomskk: encrypted? gpg?
[22:13] <Randomskk> yes
[22:13] <Randomskk> `s3cmd` handles it all
[22:13] <DanielRichman> how do you protect the private key?
[22:13] <Randomskk> I don't
[22:13] <Randomskk> symmetric
[22:14] <Randomskk> passphrase is root owned and read-only, and I have a copy of it here on my computer and on paper
[22:14] <DanielRichman> ahh, right
[22:14] <Randomskk> the crypto is mainly to protect these things over the wire and while at amazon
[22:15] <DanielRichman> yup
[22:16] <natrium42> Randomskk, but is it on a sticky note?
[22:16] <Randomskk> not quite :P
[22:17] <Randomskk> it is with my pgp key's recovation certificate in a Safe Place
[22:17] <natrium42> pfft :P
[22:17] <DanielRichman> under the desk?
[22:17] <m1x10> Who is familiar with uBlox navigation mode command ?
[22:17] <m1x10> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:falcom_fsa03
[22:18] <m1x10> DanielRichman or anyone else who is the owner of uhkas.org.uk ?
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[22:20] <DanielRichman> i'm not the owner. Why do you need to contact them?
[22:20] <m1x10> i want to ask about certain bytes
[22:21] <m1x10> there is a field called "Fixed altitude variance for 2D mode" and ukhas sets 0x10, 0x27 for this parameter
[22:22] <griffonbot> @nearsys: The NearSpace UltraLight is nearing production. I'll get test boards shot this week. Then I'll price out a kit. #ARHAB [http://twitter.com/nearsys/status/20168471775]
[22:22] <m1x10> although I dont clearly understand what it means
[22:22] <m1x10> I want to ask why sets that numbers rather than 0x0 0x0
[22:25] <DanielRichman> if you find the history link on that page, you can find out who wrote it and ask them. It's a wiki, the owner probably didn't write that
[22:25] <m1x10> ahh ok
[22:40] <Randomskk> DanielRichman: also we want to replace either the payload XML system or make a generator
[22:40] <Randomskk> personally I'd say please use yaml, xml is yuck
[22:41] <natrium42> not like you need to hand write it :P
[22:42] <Randomskk> even so. but at the moment it seems everyone does handwrite it
[22:42] <Randomskk> btw, hi natrium42
[22:42] <natrium42> hey Randomskk
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[22:59] <Randomskk> DanielRichman: !
[22:59] <Randomskk> have you seen this month's WIRED yet?
[23:00] <Wild-Wing> yaml what is that?
[23:00] <Randomskk> http://www.yaml.org/
[23:00] <Randomskk> like xml, but better
[23:01] <Wild-Wing> doesnt sound like it is widely used as of yet
[23:01] <Randomskk> it's getting more and more popular
[23:01] <Randomskk> mainly due to not being a verbose atrocious mess
[23:02] <Wild-Wing> lol xml isnt that bad but it can get wordy
[23:04] <Randomskk> it's not /bad/ but it's not good either
[23:04] <DanielRichman> no, Randomskk, I haven't. And the partition that has my browser on it is being formatted
[23:04] <Wild-Wing> lol well i have learned to use it well
[23:05] <DanielRichman> yaml is nice :-)
[23:05] <Randomskk> Wild-Wing: don't let that stop you from learning something new
[23:05] <Randomskk> DanielRichman: you don't have any browser access atm?
[23:05] <DanielRichman> links via putty for symbian?
[23:05] <Randomskk> hah
[23:06] <Randomskk> I will just tease you with https://randomskk.net/u/wired_danielrichman.jpg then
[23:07] <DanielRichman> the symbian os browser isn't bad but would probs result in my putty being oom killed
[23:07] <Randomskk> hmm
[23:07] <Randomskk> it's like 1.2MB image
[23:07] <Randomskk> wait a sec though
[23:07] <DanielRichman> cool i can load an image ok
[23:07] <Randomskk> well in that case
[23:08] <Randomskk> wait a sec
[23:08] <Randomskk> go for it
[23:08] <Randomskk> haha what it didn't all transfer to the server properly
[23:09] <Randomskk> that is bizarre
[23:09] <Randomskk> ah, I know.
[23:10] <Randomskk> great. fixed.
[23:14] <DanielRichman> Randomskk, :D
[23:14] <DanielRichman> sbasuita,
[23:15] <DanielRichman> Randomskk, tyvm for the image
[23:16] <Randomskk> np
[23:16] <Randomskk> knew this scanner was good for something or other
[23:16] <Randomskk> you made their front page ;o
[23:16] <Randomskk> by which I mean, the first page with any content
[23:17] <Randomskk> and not actually the front of the magazine
[23:17] <Randomskk> which would be quite something
[23:17] <DanielRichman> nice!
[23:18] <Randomskk> everything up to there is adverts and contents
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[23:18] <DanielRichman> they had a competition
[23:19] <DanielRichman> I think. Ssb sent the email
[23:19] <Randomskk> well it was
[23:19] <Randomskk> https://randomskk.net/u/wired_space.jpg
[23:19] <Randomskk> the last time I used my scanner
[23:19] <Randomskk> that was like, two months ago or so
[23:20] <Randomskk> they say "now send the results to editoral@wired.co.uk and we'll publish the best"
[23:20] <DanielRichman> yeah, that was it
[23:21] <sbasuita> whoa nice
[23:21] <sbasuita> i have to buy a copy now ;)
[23:21] <sbasuita> oh yeah and they even printed my smiley
[23:21] <sbasuita> ;) <--
[23:22] <Randomskk> it's the one with two dudes on the front
[23:22] <Randomskk> sep 10
[23:22] <natrium42> ooh, very nice @ wired
[23:22] <sbasuita> Randomskk: is that the latest?
[23:22] <DanielRichman> yeah had a bit of deja vu. Is that you email word for word?
[23:22] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: yes
[23:22] <Randomskk> sbasuita: yea. I just got it in the post today, so it may not be in stores yet or something
[23:23] <natrium42> reporters are lazy
[23:23] <DanielRichman> they're almost as lazy as the school newsletter. Atleast that text wasn't blatantly not meant to be printed, unlike the other
[23:24] <sbasuita> meh i prefer it this way
[23:24] <sbasuita> its all factually correct
[23:24] <Randomskk> they placed it as an email from you guys, so it is fair enough
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[23:27] <sbasuita> just looking back now, they've edited the email to make it more concise
[23:27] <sbasuita> but its well done :)
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[23:51] <sbasuita> Randomskk: this is the american wired and not the uk one right?
[23:55] <sbasuita> actually i sent it to editorial@wired.co.uk
[23:55] <sbasuita> so it must be the uk one
[23:57] <SpeedEvil> I got on Radio 4's 'Open Book' - on a bit about ereaders. Quite a long letter - ~40s of my words being read out.
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