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[08:39] <m1x10> morning al
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[14:37] <griffonbot> @kcshorty: Sitting in the banquet room of the KS Cosmosphere....ready for #GPSL to begin! #ARHAB [http://twitter.com/kcshorty/status/19339704371]
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[14:42] <jonsowman_work> http://ukhas.org.uk dead for anyone else?
[14:45] <jonsowman_work> heh bet that emailed jcoxon. oh well
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[14:48] <fsphil> aye, dead here too
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[15:16] <jonsowman_work> hmm
[15:16] <jonsowman_work> it should really be hosted by someone who's more active in UKHAS
[15:17] <jonsowman_work> and on a more reliable server
[15:17] <jonsowman_work> this is the 2nd time its been down recently
[15:20] <Upu> who hosts spacenear.us ?
[15:21] <sbasuita> Upu: i think its natrium
[15:21] <Upu> ok
[15:21] <jonsowman_work> yea, alexei (natrium42)
[15:21] <Upu> well I have a working GPS chip shame it can't seem to see any satellites at the moment
[15:21] <Upu> but at least I'm getting some output :)
[15:22] <jonsowman_work> Upu: outside? good view of the sky?
[15:23] <Upu> not really no
[15:23] <Upu> my iPhone can get a GPS signal
[15:23] <Upu> sat next to it, I'll go sit outside in the sun
[15:24] <jonsowman_work> how long's it been running for?
[15:24] <jonsowman_work> and what gps unit?
[15:24] <Upu> a few mins
[15:24] <Upu> Inventek ISM 300
[15:24] <Upu> the high altitude one
[15:24] <jonsowman_work> right
[15:24] <jonsowman_work> TTFF might be 10mins
[15:25] <Upu> $GPGSA,A,1,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,*1E
[15:25] <Upu> ok I'll leave it on
[15:41] <Upu> http://ava.upuaut.net/files/nolock.jpg
[15:41] <Upu> will try it outside when I get home
[15:41] <Upu> I am in a basement afterall :)
[15:42] <jonsowman_work> that'll be why
[15:43] <Upu> well you can get a signal in the window sills but yes I'll try from home in the garden
[15:43] <Upu> right best do some actual work
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[15:47] <jonsowman_work> ping bfirsh
[15:47] <bfirsh> jonsowman_work: hello!
[15:47] <bfirsh> ukhas.org.uk was down for a bit, sorry
[15:47] <jonsowman_work> indeed
[15:47] <jonsowman_work> :)
[15:47] <bfirsh> odd xen kernel problem that happens occasionally
[15:47] <bfirsh> I've been meaning to switch to linode for a while... I will soon :)
[15:47] <jonsowman_work> interesting
[15:48] <jonsowman_work> do it
[15:48] <jonsowman_work> i run a dual linode-512 setup
[15:48] <jonsowman_work> top class
[15:48] <bfirsh> I need to work out how to transfer my mail to google apps first
[15:48] <bfirsh> I'd rather not set up my mail servers again
[15:48] <jonsowman_work> just a MX record in your DNS
[15:49] <bfirsh> I mean move all my existing mail :)
[15:49] <jonsowman_work> ah I see
[15:49] <bfirsh> Maildir to IMAP dumping script of some sort seems the best solution
[15:49] <jonsowman_work> who are you with at the moment for hosting?
[15:49] <bfirsh> rapidswitch colocation
[15:49] <jonsowman_work> right
[15:49] <bfirsh> they've been very good actually, heaps of bandwidth
[15:49] <bfirsh> but my server's bound to break at some point
[15:49] <bfirsh> and I'd rather not be the one having to fix it
[15:50] <jonsowman_work> http://www.linode.com/?r=1835f4892d8e24a8ca0dcfbf948a9ce8521d85a8
[15:50] <jonsowman_work> if you're feeling generous :)
[15:52] <jonsowman_work> means one of my servers is free for a month
[15:55] <bfirsh> ooh sure
[15:55] <bfirsh> I'll try and remember when I get round to ordering :)
[15:56] <jonsowman_work> thanks :)
[15:56] <jonsowman_work> what size VPS do you run at the mo?
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[16:04] <bfirsh> jonsowman_work: it's a physical server, dual xeon somethingorrather
[16:04] <bfirsh> split into a few xen virtual machines
[16:04] <jonsowman_work> ah right
[16:04] <jonsowman_work> nice
[16:05] <bfirsh> that's why I want to switch to a VPS
[16:05] <bfirsh> because it's bound to break at some point, and I'll have to drive down to the colo and fix it ;)
[16:06] <jonsowman_work> haha
[16:06] <jonsowman_work> that'llbe inconvenient
[16:06] <fsphil> how not to crimp a cable: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fsphil/4820719157/
[16:06] <jonsowman_work> fsphil: D:
[16:08] <jonsowman_work> so i want to delete directories that have not been accessed for more than 7 days
[16:08] <jonsowman_work> find ./* -type d -atime +7 | xargs rm -rf
[16:09] <jonsowman_work> doesn't seem to work
[16:09] <jonsowman_work> writing to a file in the directory doesn't count as "access" it seems?
[16:09] <jonsowman_work> anyone good with this kinda thing?
[16:11] <blomlet> $ find /your_directory -mtime +7 -exec rm -f {} \;
[16:12] <blomlet> put a -ls in there first before running it with the rm
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[16:12] <jonsowman_work> will a file changing inside a directory change its mtime?
[16:13] <blomlet> Ooo - not sure
[16:13] <jonsowman_work> basically there a loads of folders with flight_path.csv, progress.json and scenario.ini
[16:13] <blomlet> I wanted to keep the folders
[16:14] <jonsowman_work> i want to delete directories where progress.json has not been written to OR scenario.ini has not been read in the last 7 days
[16:14] <jonsowman_work> so I need some way of determining that
[16:15] <blomlet> tryit with the the -ls first to see if it matches what you want
[16:15] <jonsowman_work> i did with -atime
[16:15] <jonsowman_work> it doesn't
[16:15] <jonsowman_work> havent tried with -mtime
[16:16] <jonsowman_work> will do in a bit :)
[16:16] <blomlet> actually - do 2 commands...
[16:16] <blomlet> first to zap the 7 day old files
[16:17] <blomlet> and then the second to zap the 7 day old folders
[16:17] <jonsowman_work> why?
[16:17] <jonsowman_work> surely "rm -r" on the folders will work?
[16:19] <blomlet> agreed I think it should
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[16:19] <jonsowman_work> hm mok
[16:19] <jonsowman_work> *hmm ok
[16:19] <jonsowman_work> at the worst I could do -ctime +28
[16:20] <jonsowman_work> they're not massive files
[16:23] <jonsowman_work> http://hexoc.com/hab/predict/predict/preds/5a2fefcf84b93a207a0f17d0f81becdb79ba3d48/
[16:23] <jonsowman_work> the .json and .ini files have mtimes just now - just ran the prediction
[16:23] <jonsowman_work> but go up a dir and look at the mtime of the 5a2f... directory
[16:24] <jonsowman_work> was 2 days ago
[16:24] <jonsowman_work> ;\
[16:24] <jonsowman_work> * :\
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[16:40] <LazyLeopard> Yeah, the directory often doesn't get modified just because a file's been touched.
[16:40] <LazyLeopard> Only when a file's created, removed or re-named.
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[16:54] <rharrison> afternoon all
[16:55] <rharrison> Just here by the pool in France :)
[17:14] <fsphil> hiya rharrison, lucky git lol
[17:15] <rharrison> hehe
[17:15] <rharrison> Here with the kids geting some sun anf un in
[17:15] <rharrison> sun and fun in
[17:16] <SpeedEvil> I've been picking raspberries.
[17:16] <SpeedEvil> Another 3Kg today
[17:16] <SpeedEvil> I'm not sure I have the freezer space
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[17:17] <rharrison> lol
[17:17] <rharrison> Cool
[17:17] <rharrison> Make some jam
[17:17] <rharrison> Strawberry jam is very nice
[17:17] <rharrison> Rasberry even
[17:19] <SpeedEvil> yeah.
[17:19] <SpeedEvil> Microwave is great
[17:20] <SpeedEvil> For example - 100g of fruit, 75g of sugar, mash it up, then nuke for around 3 mins
[17:20] <SpeedEvil> and cool rapidly
[17:20] <SpeedEvil> it sets, but is so fruity
[17:29] <rharrison> humm interesting I have never tried micro jam
[17:29] <rharrison> Have to give that a bash
[17:31] <SpeedEvil> use a large glass bowl
[17:31] <SpeedEvil> doesn't foam over, or burn, or anything that normal jam does
[17:31] <SpeedEvil> sensitive scales are good - so you can weigh how much water is removed
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[18:48] <jonsowman> http://hackaday.com/2010/07/23/terminal-node-controller-in-a-router/
[18:48] <jonsowman> heh
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[19:18] <fsphil> nice
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[19:22] <fsphil> a little nslu2 board would make a nice flight computer. got 2x usb and serial port
[19:22] <jonsowman> yeh
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[19:23] <jonsowman> we flew an embedded ARM linux SBC on apex I
[19:23] <jonsowman> http://balloon.hexoc.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=3&pos=8
[19:23] <jonsowman> this thing
[19:24] <fsphil> ah I have the same board here, nice computer
[19:24] <jonsowman> yeh it's a neat little thing
[19:25] <fsphil> they have a smaller board, that uses a stupidly small amount of power. could run of a battery for ages
[19:25] <jonsowman> interesting
[19:25] <jonsowman> what's that?
[19:25] <jonsowman> http://bifferos.bizhat.com/
[19:25] <fsphil> lemme look it up
[19:26] <jonsowman> that's something I want to play with too
[19:29] <fsphil> http://www.embeddedarm.com/products/board-detail.php?product=TS-7260
[19:29] <fsphil> not the exact model I remember, this one is a tad bigger
[19:29] <fsphil> hold on
[19:30] <fsphil> same one :p
[19:31] <jonsowman> yeh the TS-7260 is the Apex I board
[19:31] <fsphil> looks like they've discontinued it, it's not on their site.
[19:36] <jonsowman> :(
[19:37] <fsphil> ah, it's the TS-7250 I have
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[19:39] <fsphil> the 7260 might be what I'm thinking about, though it looks too big
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[21:05] <natrium42> lul
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[22:46] <jcoxon> evening all
[23:01] <fsphil> evenin!
[23:01] Action: jcoxon just got back from italy
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[23:04] <fsphil> Bentornato :)
[23:04] <fsphil> good time?
[23:04] <jcoxon> yeah
[23:04] <jcoxon> so very hot
[23:04] <jcoxon> 45 degC today
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[23:07] <fsphil> sheesh, that just ain't right
[23:07] <jcoxon> yeah
[23:07] <fsphil> I can't imagine it.. hottest I've seen is 32
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[23:22] <jcoxon> so what have i missed?
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[23:33] <RocketBoy> when did u go?
[23:33] <jcoxon> last sat
[23:34] <jcoxon> just before the apex flight
[23:34] <jcoxon> was that a success?
[23:34] <RocketBoy> yes recovered OK - lots of data I think
[23:35] <jcoxon> good good
[23:35] <jcoxon> GPSL this weekend
[23:35] <jcoxon> going to be a dominoEx flight tomorrow on spacenear.us
[23:35] <RocketBoy> oh - right - I'll watch
[23:36] <Laurenceb> top
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[23:36] <SpeedEvil> ps
[23:36] <SpeedEvil> killall laurenceb
[23:36] <Laurenceb> lol
[23:37] <SpeedEvil> has dominoex been done before?
[23:38] <jcoxon> SpeedEvil, in the states yeah
[23:38] <jcoxon> here it was done on one of hte nova flights
[23:40] <fsphil> what sort of baud rates are possible with dominoex?
[23:41] <fsphil> thinking of the image data, rtty isn't brilliant
[23:41] <RocketBoy> jcoxon: The Bello Mondo flight last Sat was a success too - but I think it almost came to blows with the apex team
[23:43] <RocketBoy> fsphil - most dominoex is low data rates - but the principle could be applied to almost any data rate given the bandwidth
[23:44] <jcoxon> RocketBoy, need some sort of organisation regarding freqs?
[23:44] <jcoxon> (just reading hte logs)
[23:46] <RocketBoy> fsphil: dominoex22 is the fastest standard - thats 22 symbols per second - each symbol is about 3 error corrected bit IIRC
[23:47] <RocketBoy> jcoxon: yes - lack of advance organization really - I think a good way round it would be teams should come prepared to swap frequencies
[23:48] <jcoxon> http://discover.sonystyle.com/rocket/
[23:49] <jcoxon> RocketBoy, perhaps - i think we should encourage the emailing of launch anouncements on the list
[23:49] <jcoxon> even if the data isn't completely set
[23:50] <RocketBoy> Given the limited number of launch windows and how JS forcasts can change at a day or 2 notice its difficult to see how too much organization can be done
[23:50] <jcoxon> true
[23:52] <RocketBoy> I think the real issue was that both teams wanted to use the same few hour launch window
[23:53] <jcoxon> yeah, seem to remember the window was pretty tight
[23:53] <RocketBoy> yeah
[23:55] <RocketBoy> Bello Mondo got some great shots - esp of 1/2 moon - just trying to convince the guy (Michael) to put them on the net.
[23:56] <jcoxon> hehe was that radio tracked?
[23:57] <RocketBoy> the radio transmitted OK throughout the flight - but shortly into the flight it started sending out gibberish
[23:57] <jcoxon> the classic issue :-)
[23:58] <RocketBoy> Also the GPS seems to have packed up (the onboard data log went bad as well)
[23:58] <jcoxon> what gps module?
[23:58] <RocketBoy> not sure if they were related
[23:58] <RocketBoy> Lassen IQ methinks
[23:59] <RocketBoy> the SMS tracker worked OK - thats how we got it back
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