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[08:10] <m1x10> morning :)
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[10:37] <juxta_> hi all
[10:37] <m1x10> hello juxta
[10:37] <m1x10> how's the local beach in Australia ? :)
[10:37] <juxta_> hehe, nice weather here today
[10:37] <juxta_> nice for winter at least
[10:38] <jonsowman_work> morning all
[10:38] <juxta_> hey jonsowman_work
[10:38] <jonsowman_work> hows things juxta_
[10:38] <juxta_> good good
[10:38] <m1x10> hi jonson
[10:38] <jonsowman_work> hi m1x10
[10:38] <m1x10> juxta you have winter in Australia?
[10:38] <juxta_> just heard back from the Chinese balloon guys
[10:39] <jonsowman_work> oh?
[10:39] <m1x10> maybe I should refresh my encyclopedia knowlegde !
[10:39] <juxta_> shipping isnt too bad, may go ahead and order half a dozen 1kg balloons
[10:39] <juxta_> m1x10: heh - we do have a bit of winter here, yes
[10:40] <m1x10> have you ever got snow there?
[10:40] <juxta_> oh, not where I live
[10:40] <m1x10> lol
[10:40] <m1x10> never seen snow before?
[10:40] <juxta_> I have, but not here in Adelaide :)
[10:40] <m1x10> adelaida
[10:40] <m1x10> ah
[10:41] <m1x10> such nice name
[10:41] <m1x10> sounds like a name from mythology
[10:41] <jonsowman_work> juxta_: whats the company you're buying from?
[10:42] <m1x10> does this name have some kind of origin?
[10:42] <juxta_> jonsowman_work: Zhuzhou Research & Design Institute, Chemchina Rubber Corp
[10:42] <juxta_> also go by the name Hwoyee
[10:42] <jonsowman_work> interesting
[10:42] <jonsowman_work> haven't heard of them
[10:43] <jonsowman_work> what's total cost for 6x1kg inc P&P?
[10:43] <juxta_> I also contacted Pawan in India, havent got a price from them yet
[10:44] <juxta_> jonsowman_work: around 260 USD
[10:44] <m1x10> http://www.hwoyee.com/base.asp?scclassid=521
[10:44] <jonsowman_work> not bad at all
[10:44] <m1x10> a balloon from 38km alt
[10:44] <m1x10> for*
[10:44] <m1x10> !!!!!
[10:44] <juxta_> going to be quite dependant on payload mass m1x10
[10:45] <jonsowman_work> have to be a pretty light payload to get 38km out of a 2000g balloon
[10:45] <m1x10> So one balloon costs 260/6 = 43 USD
[10:46] <juxta_> m1x10: no, that was including postage
[10:46] <jonsowman_work> you've got a good deal there juxta_ :)
[10:46] <juxta_> the 1kg balloons are 22 usd I think
[10:46] <m1x10> the rest is shipping?
[10:46] <juxta_> yeah
[10:46] <m1x10> hoe much for australia?
[10:46] <juxta_> 130usd for shipping to australia
[10:47] <m1x10> oh
[10:47] <juxta_> 7-8 days for shipping
[10:47] <m1x10> isn't it too much?
[10:48] <m1x10> maybe due to 7-8 days
[10:48] <m1x10> I order RadioShield and Ublox assembled board with the cheapest shipping. 5 euros. Should take around a month to arive :)
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[10:52] <juxta_> kaymont charged me more for less balloons i think m1x10
[10:52] <fsphil> can anyone thing of any useful aids or tools I'd need for soldering an soic chip
[10:53] <fsphil> all I have so far is the soldering iron and a flux pen :)
[10:55] <jonsowman_work> a reflow soldering oven? :P
[10:56] <m1x10> what's the flux pen ?
[10:56] <fsphil> I wish jonsowman_work :)
[10:56] <jonsowman_work> nah you should be alright
[10:56] <jonsowman_work> use lots of flux, use a small iron tip and keep it clena
[10:56] <jonsowman_work> clean *
[10:57] <fsphil> m1x10, it's a pen that dispenses flux when it's squeezed.
[10:58] <fsphil> I'm pretty good at soldering thru-hole parts, though I don't manage keep the tip particularly clean
[10:58] <fsphil> Using that sponge on the solder station never seems to clean it
[10:58] <fsphil> just moves the solder around
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[10:59] <jonsowman_work> fsphil: get a pot of flux
[10:59] <jonsowman_work> dip the tip in when hot to clean
[11:00] <jonsowman_work> you get a pretty cloud of smoke and a shiny clean tip
[11:00] <fsphil> ooh
[11:00] <fsphil> that might work
[11:00] <jonsowman_work> worth investing in
[11:01] <jonsowman_work> one pot will last years
[11:03] <fsphil> heh, typically it's the one thing cpc don't have
[11:06] <jonsowman_work> :(
[11:07] <jonsowman_work> you should be alright with the soic though
[11:07] <jonsowman_work> got anything to practise with first?
[11:08] <fsphil> hmm.. good point, I don't. I could try something simple but it would mean drawing and etching a board
[11:08] <jonsowman_work> what's the IC?
[11:09] <fsphil> it's an avr atmega644 .. it's not actually soic, it's got the pins on all four sides
[11:09] <jonsowman_work> oh okay
[11:10] <jonsowman_work> yeh maybe practice things are too much effort
[11:10] <jonsowman_work> just wondered if you had anything lying around
[11:19] <fsphil> I could try removing and re-soldering something
[11:19] Action: fsphil looks around him
[11:20] <jonsowman_work> heh
[11:20] <jonsowman_work> up to you :)
[11:20] <jonsowman_work> it might be worth it if you can find something
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[12:49] <jonsowman_work> any recommendations on gsm modules guys?
[12:52] <fsphil> an old phone? some have serial ports
[12:54] <jonsowman_work> yea that's probably the way forward
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[13:08] <fsphil> tempting --> http://cpc.farnell.com/duratool/zd-939a-89-3912/hot-air-smd-rework-station/dp/SD01139
[13:09] <Laurenceb> fsphil: I got something on ebay for £70
[13:09] <Laurenceb> inc delivery - Kada hot air/solder station as recommended by SpeedEvil
[13:10] <Laurenceb> seems pretty good but build quality isnt the best - havent used it a whole lot yet
[13:10] <Laurenceb> but very good value
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[13:12] <fsphil> that's a great price, does it include nozzles?
[13:13] <Laurenceb> yes
[13:13] <Laurenceb> look for kada on ebay - nozzles + iron +tip set
[13:14] <fsphil> will do at lunch time, can't ebay at work :)
[13:14] <Laurenceb> :P
[13:14] <fsphil> are you using solder paste with it, or can regular solder be used?
[13:15] <Laurenceb> you can use regular solder for SMD
[13:15] <Laurenceb> if you form some "blobs" on the pads first
[13:16] <Laurenceb> then place the component on the pcb and reflow it - theres some tutorials
[13:17] <Laurenceb> you can do QFN that way - but have to be very good at getting the right blob thickness
[13:17] <fsphil> not something to try on the first go then? :)
[13:18] <Laurenceb> prob not
[13:23] <Laurenceb> multiple sidewall injection gas gun
[13:23] <Laurenceb> lulwut
[13:24] <Laurenceb> wrong window
[13:25] <fsphil> sounds like fun ;-)
[13:25] <Laurenceb> http://store.diydrones.com/product_p/br-0012-01.htm <- interesting
[13:26] <SpeedEvil> Somewhat similar to your idea
[13:26] <SpeedEvil> but not
[13:26] <SpeedEvil> Do you have a final BOm - have you actually ordered one?
[13:26] <Laurenceb> nope
[13:26] <Laurenceb> got distracted by other stuff
[13:26] <Laurenceb> i.e. building work
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[13:27] <SpeedEvil> ah
[13:27] <Laurenceb> I'm almost happy with it - was going to add a very low quintesscent current ldo from Ti as a back up battery alternative
[13:27] <SpeedEvil> Distractions are annoying.
[13:27] <Laurenceb> - pads underneath the battery holder
[13:27] <SpeedEvil> i've spent the last 6 weeks doing the hedge, and recovering from it
[13:27] <SpeedEvil> :/
[13:27] <Laurenceb> :(
[13:27] <Laurenceb> need to check the layout and pins very carefully
[13:28] <SpeedEvil> http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/4730680992/ - around 1/3 of the total volume of trimmings
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[13:55] <m1x10> Almost 1 trillion neutrinos cross our body every second !
[13:57] <fsphil> and every once in a while, one collides with it :)
[13:59] <m1x10> damn you neutrinos, you penetrate me so easy.
[14:00] <jonsowman_work> :\
[14:01] <m1x10> while reading this stuff, I found how to read the arduino's ìC voltage
[14:01] <m1x10> handy if you want to know the current voltage
[14:05] <m1x10> it also has a secret internal thermometer but seems that its not to accurate
[14:05] <m1x10> +-10C
[14:07] <jonsowman_work> 10C :o
[14:07] <jonsowman_work> that's useless haha
[14:07] <m1x10> y
[14:07] <jonsowman_work> terrible accuracy
[14:08] <m1x10> it says that if you can give it just once the current temperature it will then be accurate
[14:08] <m1x10> needs for first time calibration
[14:08] <jonsowman_work> oh i see
[14:08] <jonsowman_work> that makes more sense :)
[14:09] <m1x10> http://code.google.com/p/tinkerit/wiki/SecretThermometer
[14:26] <Laurenceb> LSM303DHL still isnt of mouser or digikey :(
[14:27] <Laurenceb> apparently they will give you some samples if you write a nice email asking
[14:27] <Laurenceb> 4samples/nice email
[14:32] <Laurenceb> http://github.com/pchickey/p4l-ahrs
[14:32] <Laurenceb> bbl
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[15:41] <griffonbot> @nearsys: The presentation and capsules for GPSL 2010 are complete and ready. #ARHAB #GPSL [http://twitter.com/nearsys/status/18998437725]
[15:57] <griffonbot> @TWGeary: @nearsys For those who can't make it to GPSL, any streaming? or can we download the presentations? We would love to be there! #ARHAB #GPSL [http://twitter.com/TWGeary/status/18999598290]
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[20:21] <Randomskk> jonsowman: do you reckon your new and awesome predictor is ready to go live on cusf?
[20:21] <jonsowman> few more things to do yet :)
[20:21] <jonsowman> not much time at the moment but will get them done soon
[20:21] <Randomskk> pfft only 16 or so open issues :P
[20:21] <Randomskk> fair enough
[20:21] <Randomskk> how's it going?
[20:22] <SpeedEvil> :)
[20:23] <jonsowman> yeh fine
[20:23] <jonsowman> you?
[20:24] <Randomskk> good thanks
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[20:24] <jonsowman> :)
[20:24] <jonsowman> work alright?
[20:24] Action: SpeedEvil picked the first 5Kg of raspberries of the year.
[20:24] <SpeedEvil> I think I might have too many.
[20:25] <Randomskk> :o that is a lot
[20:25] <Randomskk> jonsowman: yea, it's good
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[20:32] <SpeedEvil> Randomskk: Considering that I haven't quite finished the first pick - and there is typically 3-4 times more, as later ones mature, indeed.
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[22:43] <m1x10> hi
[22:48] <natrium42> yasas
[22:49] <m1x10> yasas?
[22:49] <m1x10> :)
[22:51] <natrium42> what's up?
[22:51] <m1x10> cool, and u? what means yasas?
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[22:54] <natrium42> hello in greek?
[22:55] <m1x10> heh
[22:55] <m1x10> I assume u have come for holidays here
[22:56] <natrium42> not yet :(
[22:56] <m1x10> hmm, so how do u know that word?
[22:56] <m1x10> where r u from?
[22:57] <natrium42> canada, though i was born in russia
[22:58] <m1x10> awesome. so you've travelled the world.
[22:58] <m1x10> Sdarova moi druk :)
[22:59] <natrium42> i have been to most european countries, but not to greece
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[23:10] <Laurenceb> hi
[23:11] <Randomskk> yo
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[23:19] <m1x10> so natrium42, don't u speak any russian?
[23:20] <natrium42> i do
[23:21] <m1x10> did u understand my little russian phrase?
[23:21] <natrium42> yeah, very good :)
[23:21] <m1x10> heh, thanks
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[23:21] <m1x10> mnia savout costa :)
[23:22] <m1x10> or something like that :):)
[23:22] <natrium42> yeah, it's correct
[23:22] <natrium42> where did you learn it?
[23:23] <m1x10> aaah, here we have many ex-soviet people
[23:23] <m1x10> so we have friends
[23:24] <m1x10> so we learn :)
[23:24] <m1x10> even from girlfriends we learn :)
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[23:26] <natrium42> hehe
[23:29] <m1x10> have you done any HAB flights?
[23:31] <Laurenceb> http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/categories.php
[23:32] <Laurenceb> looks familiar
[23:32] <natrium42> m1x10, http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:halo
[23:32] <natrium42> and http://www.natrium42.com/halo/flight2/
[23:32] <m1x10> oh
[23:32] <m1x10> http://natrium42.com/halo/flight2/
[23:32] <m1x10> :P
[23:33] <m1x10> so this is u
[23:33] <natrium42> :)
[23:33] <m1x10> awesome work
[23:33] <natrium42> thx
[23:33] <natrium42> Laurenceb, haha, cool
[23:34] <m1x10> tibe savout alexei :)
[23:34] <natrium42> brennen form sparkfun hangs around here sometimes
[23:34] <natrium42> *from
[23:34] <Randomskk> stilldavid is a sparkfun dude too
[23:35] <fsphil> 600 grams .. that's quite heavy ;-)
[23:35] <m1x10> im impressed with the servo for the cam
[23:40] <m1x10> where did u find the pressure sensor?
[23:44] <natrium42> i got mine from digikey
[23:51] <m1x10> that place has too many things
[23:52] <m1x10> can you tell me which model is yours?
[23:54] <m1x10> I got mine from sparkfun but then I realized that it has limited range
[23:54] <m1x10> http://natrium42.com/halo/flight2/
[23:54] <m1x10> oops sory
[23:55] <m1x10> 300-700hPa
[23:55] <m1x10> and thats bad
[23:57] <Randomskk> pressure is still worth flying even with limited range
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