highaltitude.log.20100716

[00:00] <Randomskk> okay. got my work address?
[00:00] <eroomde> I dunno. I think from now on I'll insist that anyone launching from churchill gets some ukhas involvement. afterall, using our notam is not a right. but i don't think that's ever not been the case yet.
[00:00] <jonsowman> nope, could you text me it please Randomskk
[00:01] <jonsowman> will pick you up about 4 then head up to cam
[00:01] <jcoxon> hmmm its a tough one
[00:02] <jonsowman> Randomskk: thanks
[00:02] <RocketBoy> EARS is somewhat different - its an open site - I had some trying to launch without telling anyone recently
[00:03] <eroomde> a balloon?
[00:03] <Randomskk> if you're on the A3 southbound headed towards guildford then you keep on going past the guildford turnoff following signs to the research park (they are on the a3) and eventually turn off left, over a couple of roundabouts, you eventually come to the research park after driving past a hospital and stuff in a 20 zone, right at the roundabout and there's a largish building on the right which is the tech centre where I am, it has visitor parking o
[00:03] <RocketBoy> personally I think it would be bettwr to solve the channel use with some GPS driven timeslotting
[00:03] <Randomskk> though I'm sure google maps / your gps can manage
[00:03] <Randomskk> unless your gps is a navman
[00:03] <Randomskk> in which case it can't manage
[00:03] <jonsowman> haha
[00:04] <jonsowman> ok, cheers
[00:04] <Randomskk> RocketBoy: but then people have to coordinate the timeslotting
[00:04] <jonsowman> right, bedtime
[00:04] <Randomskk> easier to coordinate freqs really
[00:04] <jonsowman> let me know what happens RocketBoy
[00:04] <Randomskk> seeya tomorrow
[00:04] <eroomde> jonsowman: wait up a sec
[00:04] <jonsowman> oh ok
[00:04] <jcoxon> Matt_soton, ping
[00:04] <Randomskk> just have to remember to not drive in, hah
[00:04] <Randomskk> 21 minutes today, new record
[00:04] <jonsowman> :)
[00:04] <eroomde> I'm not sure I follow the open site thing RocketBoy - the permit clearly states that the notam holder must be on-site during a launch
[00:04] <RocketBoy> jonsowman: yeah - but at least thats only a software config not a soldering iron job
[00:05] <eroomde> I'm assuming the EARS balloon notam is in your name?
[00:05] <jcoxon> eroomde, they were applying for their own notam
[00:05] <Randomskk> eroomde: do we have the doc of our new notam?
[00:05] <Matt_soton> http://users.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mfb2g09/packet3.mp3
[00:05] <eroomde> yes i've emailed it around at least 4 times
[00:05] <jonsowman> RocketBoy: what do you mean, software config?
[00:05] <jcoxon> Matt_soton, hehe more - are you running windows?
[00:05] <Randomskk> last I have from you is 09/11/2009
[00:05] <Matt_soton> yep
[00:05] <eroomde> also gps time slicing is useless if your gps goes down
[00:05] <Randomskk> as in, that's the last email with the word notam anywhere
[00:05] <jcoxon> okay binary in abou 10mins
[00:06] <eroomde> and we know that happens
[00:06] <Matt_soton> thanks
[00:06] <eroomde> jcoxon: i didn't know you could apply for a balloon notam on a site that already has a balloon notam
[00:06] <RocketBoy> yeah - sorry thats not my point - its if I start insisting on thongs - like ukhas/frequencies/#highaltitude people will probably just rock up and fly anyway
[00:06] <RocketBoy> especially the EARS rocket folk
[00:06] <jonsowman> ah i see what you mean
[00:07] <jcoxon> eroomde, exactly - CAA contacted RocketBoy to say huh?
[00:07] <jonsowman> if only ours was an NTX2 we'd quite happily switch
[00:07] <eroomde> as long as they know it's illegal if they don't have a notam
[00:08] <RocketBoy> they can get a permit whether fro ears or not
[00:08] <jonsowman> eroomde: am I still needed for anything?
[00:08] <jonsowman> it's down to the other payload people whether they will switch frequencies
[00:08] <jonsowman> nothing more I can do at the moment
[00:08] <eroomde> so the CAA would allow two simulataneous EARS balloon notmas?
[00:08] <eroomde> notams*
[00:09] <eroomde> if they get another permit then that's fine, we'll spot it on the roster and at least be forewarned
[00:10] <eroomde> jonsowman: go
[00:10] <jonsowman> haha thanks
[00:10] <jonsowman> night all
[00:10] <jonsowman> will be on here pretty much all day tomorrow
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[00:15] <RocketBoy> Have just told the guy he will have to scratch his launch unless he can change the freq.
[00:17] <eroomde> john's should be down by 12.30 if the launch is at 1000 as planned
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[00:22] <RocketBoy> I'll see if he wants to do that - but I think the forcasts were showing it swinging SW and further out by that time
[00:23] <jcoxon> Matt_soton, http://www.pegasushabproject.org.uk/misc/dl-fldigi-3.20.16_setup.exe
[00:23] <Matt_soton> thanks
[00:23] <eroomde> or just risk it - but there's a potential of him not getting it back if it's intefered with by apex too much
[00:24] <eroomde> as one of the nearest located i could try and do some judicious yagi-ing
[00:24] <eroomde> but was planning on doing other things once the launch has happened
[00:24] <jcoxon> i'd just go for it
[00:24] <jcoxon> Matt_soton, could you test and get back to me
[00:25] <Matt_soton> yea ill send some packets thorugh
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[00:26] <Matt_soton> yea it seems to be working
[00:27] <jcoxon> good good
[00:27] <RocketBoy> Dam - a later launch won't work for me - I was planning on getting both the school and the guys launch off and then going with the school to recover (I don't think they want to do it on their own) I cant do that if I have to wait for the other launch - and the school are all set to go for an earlier launch
[00:28] <eroomde> i guess it's the other guy's call then
[00:28] <RocketBoy> yeah - gotta go tis late
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[00:31] <eroomde> me too
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[00:34] <juxta> morning all
[00:34] <jcoxon> morning juxta
[00:34] <juxta> hey jcoxon, thanks for updating the tracker :)
[00:34] <juxta> weather is pretty chilly here :(
[00:35] <jcoxon> its very windy here
[00:35] <jcoxon> will clear the tracker in a sec
[00:35] <jcoxon> you got a non-crashing dl-fldigi?
[00:35] <juxta> sure do
[00:35] <juxta> :)
[00:36] <juxta> sorry I just cleared it - whoops
[00:36] <jcoxon> no worries
[00:37] <juxta> better eat some breakfast I think
[00:37] <jcoxon> hmmm natrium hasn't fixed that issue for you
[00:39] <juxta> oh well
[00:39] <juxta> I'm not too fussed
[00:39] <juxta> the prediction would be nice given where it'll be landing today, but it's not the end of the world
[00:40] <jcoxon> email him
[00:40] <jcoxon> see if he'll magically appear
[00:40] <jcoxon> i'm not sure how he does the predictor or i'd do it for you
[00:41] <juxta> I sent him an email last night
[00:41] <juxta> hehe
[00:41] <jcoxon> he hasn't emailed natrium at all
[00:41] <jcoxon> he emailed me
[00:41] <juxta> haha
[00:41] <jcoxon> stupid zeusbot
[00:42] <juxta> in other news, it appears I've found a breakfast cereal I actually like
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[00:48] <juxta> what zeusbot running?
[00:48] <juxta> what is*
[00:48] <jcoxon> juxta, eggdrop with a load of rubbish scripts
[00:48] <juxta> righto
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[00:51] <juxta> not as far out as previous launches, but there are not really any roads there
[00:51] <juxta> http://www.hexoc.com/hab/predict/predict/#!/uuid=3d8b9a5fc973481ec91d677412bdf9573c97d6bf
[00:51] <jcoxon> oh right
[00:51] <jcoxon> yes
[00:51] <jcoxon> ummm good luck
[00:54] <jcoxon> juxta, apologies - can't stay up for this one
[00:54] <juxta> no worries jcoxon :)
[00:54] <juxta> even if everything explodes we still have our offline mapping software
[00:54] <jcoxon> cool cool
[00:55] <jcoxon> i just posted osx and windows binaries of r112
[00:55] <juxta> awesome
[00:55] <jcoxon> with fixed no net connection and also increased the string length to allow for hte ridiclous length of apex
[00:55] <juxta> I was going ask you - is the GUI pretty much where it's going to stay? if so, I'll do a new guide for the wiki
[01:00] <jnd> so when will BH5 reach the danish coast? you need some sea predictor too :p
[01:00] <jcoxon> juxta, haha - done
[01:00] <jcoxon> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide
[01:01] <jcoxon> jnd, hehe - thats not in my expertise
[01:01] <juxta> oh, hehe
[01:01] <juxta> good work jcoxon
[01:01] <jcoxon> did it this afternoon
[01:01] <jcoxon> think i might have to add another step and circle the autoconfigure button
[01:02] <juxta> alright - I'm heading off to the launch site
[01:03] <jcoxon> okay night juxta - good luck will check later to see how its going
[01:03] <juxta> sure, don't stay up too late ;)
[01:03] <jcoxon> oh sleep time is now
[01:03] <fsphil> what time is it again (UTC?)
[01:03] <juxta> around 03:00 utc I guess fsphil
[01:04] <jcoxon> oh fsphil i've posted new binaries
[01:04] <juxta> okay, I'm off - will get the laptop on in the car
[01:04] <fsphil> ah cool, I'll do some testing
[01:05] <jcoxon> and tagged it as r112
[01:06] <jcoxon> so we'll start on r113 from now
[01:06] <jcoxon> night all
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[01:42] <vk5zsn> hi
[01:42] <juxta> hey adrian, its terry
[01:42] <vk5zsn> cool
[01:43] <vk5zsn> so you dont barf while operating mobile?
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[03:25] <vk5zsn> cq cq
[03:26] <juxta> almost done with inflation
[03:26] <juxta> listening on 439.9
[03:26] <vk5zsn> ok horus ok on web
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[03:43] <vk5zsn> What req is horus on Terry?>
[03:43] <vk5zsn> frequency!
[03:55] <vk5zsn> Horus4 on 434.6507
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[04:18] <juxta> vk5zsn, can see you are decoding
[04:18] <juxta> good stuf!
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[04:27] <vk5zsn> what are the data switch alt?
[04:41] <juxta> vk5zsn, baur date to 200
[04:42] <vk5zsn> rpt 146.875 I can access
[04:43] <vk5zsn> 200bd ok
[04:44] <juxta> vk5zsn, no can do on 146.875
[04:44] <juxta> car is unhappy about it
[04:44] <vk5zsn> really
[04:45] <vk5zsn> ok
[04:45] <vk5zsn> use low power
[04:48] <vk5zsn> r u here?
[04:49] <vk5zsn> 300bd good decode
[04:57] <juxta> decoding well here
[04:57] <juxta> any more info on a predicted landing site vk5zsn?
[04:58] <juxta> back down to 50b
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[05:04] <vk5zsn> slightly mor west that the original prediction
[05:05] <juxta> have a nearby town?
[05:14] <vk5zsn> Angas vally if it makes 12000
[05:15] <juxta> 147kph
[05:15] <juxta> travelling quite fast
[05:17] <vk5zsn> its doing 160kmh!
[05:18] <vk5zsn> 15000 prediction is nth of swan reach on the east side of the river
[05:19] <juxta> probably wont reach 15000
[05:19] <juxta> how about 13000?
[05:20] <vk5zsn> Black Hill @ 13000
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[05:23] <vk5zsn> keep going nth
[05:23] <juxta> cheers
[05:23] <juxta> balloon is currently in our dead zone
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[05:24] <rjharrison> Moring all
[05:25] <rjharrison> we all watching the Horus launch
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[05:26] <vk5zsn> Terry not sure ferry is working at walkers flat.. will check
[05:27] <rjharrison> juxta_ looking good from here
[05:27] <rjharrison> juxta
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[05:27] <vk5zsn> Sanw reach terry... Marks landing
[05:27] <vk5zsn> swan reach sorry
[05:29] <vk5zsn> Walkers flat ferry ok
[05:31] <rjharrison> juxta_ you are motoring today. At 130km /h with 2 hours to go 300km frm here. Currently 70km from launch
[05:31] <vk5zsn> if it makes 15000 then it will probably be in the East side of the Murray
[05:33] <vk5zsn> Looking like Notts Well
[05:33] <juxta_> rjharrison, only a 100gram balloon so it will be bursting soon
[05:33] <juxta_> expected burts was 10km!
[05:34] <juxta_> burst*
[05:35] <vk5zsn> notts well
[05:36] <rjharrison> www.highaltitudeprojects.com
[05:36] <rjharrison> opps
[05:36] <rjharrison> http://www.robertharrison.org/mobile.php
[05:37] <rjharrison> wee
[05:39] <rjharrison> hehe almost 100m per update
[05:39] <rjharrison> Looks like Marks Landing should be renamed Horus Landing
[05:39] <vk5zsn> I am going Terry. Will leave system running
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[05:44] <SpeedEvil> Good luck!
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[06:22] <rjharrison> nice launch juxta
[06:22] <rjharrison> i'M OFF TO BED
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[06:24] <natrium42> what happen?
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[07:25] <juxta_> payload recovered :)
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[07:52] <jonsowman> morning all
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[08:09] <jonsowman> morning james
[08:09] <jcoxon> morning
[08:09] <jonsowman> thank you for the binaries :)
[08:09] <jcoxon> oops misnamed one
[08:10] <jcoxon> time to reupload
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[08:10] <jonsowman> are the links in the launch announcement email I sent out correct?
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[08:12] <jcoxon> jonsowman, oh well no
[08:12] <jcoxon> i've uploaded them to my github
[08:13] <jcoxon> http://github.com/jamescoxon/dl-fldigi/downloads
[08:13] <jonsowman> ok - will revise email
[08:14] <jonsowman> done
[08:14] <jonsowman> thanks again james
[08:15] <jonsowman> very much appreciated
[08:15] <jcoxon> hehe
[08:15] <jcoxon> no problem
[08:15] <jcoxon> won't be here for hte launch so best get everything sorted first
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[08:15] <jonsowman> yep :)
[08:16] <jonsowman> where you off to?
[08:16] <jcoxon> italy tomorrow morning
[08:16] <jonsowman> anywhere nice?
[08:16] <jonsowman> oo
[08:16] <jonsowman> lovely
[08:16] <jonsowman> lucky you
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[08:16] <jcoxon> indeed
[08:16] <jcoxon> though lots to sort out i've realised
[08:17] <jcoxon> going to be a busy day
[08:17] <jonsowman> youre not the only one
[08:17] <jonsowman> :\
[08:19] <jonsowman> will get loads of testing of r112 done today
[08:19] <jonsowman> though it seems fine from what Matt_soton said last night
[08:20] <jcoxon> may have just realised a 'small' bug that won't actually affect you
[08:20] <jonsowman> whats that
[08:20] <jcoxon> tracking your payload will push the limit up to 200
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[08:20] <jcoxon> but i'm not sure it'll come down to 100 on future flights :-p
[08:20] <jcoxon> let me test that
[08:20] <jonsowman> ah i see
[08:21] <jonsowman> got to got for a few mins, will be on and off here all day
[08:22] <jonsowman> see pm :)
[08:23] <jonsowman> bbl
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[08:38] <m1x10> hello :)
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[08:58] <g8khw-iPhone> jonsowman: just left a text - the guy isnt to worried by a clash so is planning to launch at about 10:00 using .075
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[10:05] <Matt_soton> fsphil: ping
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[10:30] <fsphil> pong Matt_soton
[10:47] <Matt_soton> fsphil: did you successfully get two instances of fldigi running?
[10:47] <Matt_soton> one decoding 50, one decoding 300?
[10:51] <fsphil> yes
[10:52] <fsphil> on the sample anyway
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[10:55] <Matt_soton> thanks :)
[10:55] <jcoxon> Matt_soton, how many chase cars will you be having?
[10:55] <Matt_soton> two, maybe three
[10:55] <jcoxon> all running windows?
[10:55] <Matt_soton> yes
[10:56] <jcoxon> i might be able to make your life easier regarding 50/300 baud
[10:56] <Matt_soton> oo how
[10:56] <jcoxon> will have a go this afternoon if i get time
[10:56] <russss> cars? running windows?
[10:56] <russss> <insert obligatory crash joke here>
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[10:56] <Matt_soton> russss: very good
[10:56] <jcoxon> Matt_soton, we've recently added the new mode switch button
[10:57] <Matt_soton> ah right
[10:57] <jcoxon> currently its a bit hard coded
[10:57] <jcoxon> to swap between rtty and dominoex
[10:57] <jcoxon> haven't yet worked out a good way of doing it really
[10:57] <jcoxon> i could make it so i'll swap between 50 and 300 for you
[10:58] <jcoxon> but i'll only distribute binaries for the chase cars - dont' want people using it all the time
[10:58] <Matt_soton> if you dont mind
[10:58] <Matt_soton> that would be brilliant
[10:58] Action: jcoxon has learnt that once people have something that slightly works they never upgrade
[10:58] <jcoxon> e.g. rjharrison is still using r106
[10:58] <Matt_soton> yes that is trie
[10:58] <Matt_soton> *true
[10:58] <jcoxon> which was a random maintence revision
[10:59] <jcoxon> willsee what i can do
[10:59] <jcoxon> bbl
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[10:59] <Matt_soton> thank you :D
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[12:37] <m1x10> hello mates
[12:38] <m1x10> im wondering if there is any ARPS receiver at 144.8 suitable to be connected with a pc
[12:38] <m1x10> so I can read the aprs packet in my own software
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[12:45] <juxta> hi all
[12:45] <m1x10> hi
[12:48] <juxta> hey m1x10
[12:52] <juxta> nearly hit a sheep in today's chase, hehe
[12:52] <jonsowman> nice
[12:52] <jonsowman> did it go well juxta
[12:52] <juxta> sure did jonsowman
[12:52] <juxta> except it went much higher than expected
[12:52] <jonsowman> :)
[12:52] <jonsowman> excellent
[12:52] <juxta> so encountered some serious winds - was crusing along at 160km/h
[12:52] <jonsowman> whoa
[12:52] <juxta> yeah
[12:53] <juxta> we had a good lead on it but it caught us at that stage
[12:53] <juxta> then we got caught crossing the river, i didn't realise there was no bridge, we had to get the ferry!
[12:53] <m1x10> :)
[12:54] <juxta> we decoded and uploaded strings just before touchdown
[12:54] <juxta> 180m alt
[12:54] <juxta> or 140 i think
[12:54] <juxta> so we knew exactly where it was, just drove over and picked it up
[12:54] <juxta> have some photos and such - the 300b worked superbly jonsowman
[12:56] <juxta> it was a 400g payload with a 100g balloon, i'm very surprised it got so high
[12:57] <SpeedEvil> Is there a jet stream over .au?
[12:57] <juxta> SpeedEvil, yeah
[12:57] <juxta> blows inland for me luckily
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[13:04] <SpeedEvil> Sort-of-on-topic that someone linked me to. _NOT_WORKSAFE_ (nudity) - rocket launching - the wrong way http://www.ambercutie.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=12146#p12146
[13:04] <jonsowman> juxta: good stuff
[13:04] <SpeedEvil> Indeed - congrats if I haven't already said :)
[13:05] <juxta> rather tired, 600km of driving all up ;p
[13:05] <SpeedEvil> I suppose 15km is plenty for nice pics.
[13:05] <juxta> SpeedEvil: not sure, no cam onboard :)
[13:05] <SpeedEvil> ah
[13:05] <SpeedEvil> this was just a rx test?
[13:06] <juxta> yeah - last week I had a bug in my code which rendered the RX test pretty much useless
[13:06] <juxta> plus I had a small balloon & small amount of helium left ;)
[13:07] <SpeedEvil> I suppose that the driving costs more than the balloon really
[13:08] <juxta> fuel isnt so expensive here
[13:09] <juxta> I suppose today's driving would run me approx $50-60AUD
[13:09] <juxta> so perhaps 20-30 pound
[13:11] <SpeedEvil> ah
[13:12] <SpeedEvil> what's the AU dollar to the US?
[13:12] <SpeedEvil> ah
[13:12] <SpeedEvil> that'd buy about 17l fuel here...
[13:13] <juxta> ah, not quite so much then :)
[13:13] <juxta> unless you have a *very* small car ;p
[13:14] <juxta> SpeedEvil: chasing the payload today: http://www.bogaurd.net/IMG_0945.jpg
[13:25] <SpeedEvil> I pictured you as taller.
[13:26] <SpeedEvil> In this bit of scotland there isn't much horizon like that.
[13:26] <SpeedEvil> Well - other than the coast
[13:26] <m1x10> hahah
[13:26] <m1x10> a Kanguro
[13:26] <m1x10> omg
[13:27] <m1x10> I feel Australia !
[13:28] <juxta> haha
[13:28] <juxta> SpeedEvil, it's very flat around here
[13:29] <m1x10> brb
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[13:29] <juxta> landing site: www.bogaurd.net/IMG_0952.jpg
[13:33] <SpeedEvil> Much of a walk?
[13:34] <juxta> 200m from the road
[13:34] <juxta> nice and easy
[13:34] <juxta> it was about 20-30km on dirt roads to get there though
[13:34] <SpeedEvil> :)
[13:34] <juxta> they were quite driveable though, managed to do 60km/h on them without much hassle
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[13:44] <juxta> parachute worked very well today, descent rate was 3-4m/s close to ground level
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[13:52] <m1x10> Hello Kangouro !
[13:52] <m1x10> :)
[13:53] <m1x10> juxta
[13:53] <m1x10> have any photos?
[13:54] <m1x10> from paylod
[13:54] <m1x10> payload*
[13:54] <juxta> m1x10: no cameras on board this time
[13:54] <m1x10> ahh, yes I remember
[13:54] <m1x10> just testing?
[13:54] <m1x10> congragulations anyway
[13:55] <m1x10> happy news
[13:55] <juxta> thanks :)
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[13:57] <eroomde> anything good or bad happening?
[13:57] <juxta> hey eroomde
[13:57] <eroomde> hi
[13:57] <m1x10> juxta
[13:57] <m1x10> im wondering if there is any ARPS receiver at 144.8 suitable to be connected with a pc
[13:57] <juxta> had a launch today, went well, that's good news I guess :)
[13:58] <juxta> not sure m1x10
[13:58] <m1x10> ok
[13:58] <juxta> payload topped 160km/h in the jetstream Ed, made for some driving
[13:58] <Matt_soton> hi eroomde
[13:59] <Matt_soton> jonsowman here
[13:59] <eroomde> yo
[13:59] <eroomde> everything still on track?
[14:02] <Matt_soton> yup
[14:02] <Matt_soton> all going well
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[14:05] <Matt_soton> shoving everything into the case and finalising
[14:23] <jonsowman> eroomde: got a 10l bottle of helium
[14:23] <eroomde> cool
[14:23] <eroomde> should be fine then
[14:23] <jonsowman> yep
[14:24] <eroomde> i hope for your sake the winds die down for tomorrow
[14:24] <jonsowman> hmm yeh filling is going to be fun in this
[14:24] <eroomde> as right now they're worse than anything i've ever launched in!
[14:24] <jonsowman> hmm yeh
[14:24] <jonsowman> hopefully itll be alright tomorrow
[14:24] <jonsowman> preditions still look fine - it's filling that'll be the issue
[14:27] <eroomde> assessing lift in this wind will be effectively impossible
[14:27] <jonsowman> mm yes
[14:28] <eroomde> We'll do the best we can, but you should know that if the wind stays like this tomorrow, if it were my launch, I'd scrap it
[14:28] <jonsowman> OK
[14:28] <jonsowman> we will make a decision tomorrow morning
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[14:29] <eroomde> and it's CUSF policy to be very 'tough' about these decisions and not take into consideration that fact that lots of people have turned up to watch - that alsmot always results in the wrong decison being made (as we have found to our cost)
[14:29] <m1x10> jonsowman, everything ok with the browser compability issue?
[14:29] <jcoxon> jonsowman, ping
[14:29] <jonsowman> jcoxon: hi
[14:29] <jonsowman> eroomde: understood
[14:29] <jcoxon> you summoned me earlier
[14:30] <jonsowman> oh sorry
[14:30] <jonsowman> i tried to summon natrium42
[14:30] <jonsowman> forgetting that zeusbot just emails you
[14:30] <jcoxon> should of summoned natrium
[14:30] <jcoxon> without the 42
[14:30] <jonsowman> oh, sorry
[14:31] <jonsowman> eroomde: winds looking beter for tomorrow, fingers crossed
[14:31] <eroomde> cool, let's hope
[14:39] <jonsowman> m1x10: not looking at it at the moment
[14:39] <jonsowman> busy with apex
[14:40] <juxta> hey jcoxon
[14:40] <jcoxon> hey juxta
[14:41] <juxta> everything went well with the launch, though it went a fair bit further (in altitude and distance) than expected :)
[14:41] <jcoxon> great - yeah pleased to see payload + car in same place
[14:42] <juxta> hehe
[14:42] <juxta> payload exceeded 160km/h in the jetstream
[14:42] <juxta> (!!)
[14:42] <eroomde> gosh
[14:43] <juxta> great descent speed though, around 3m/s before touchdown
[14:43] <juxta> pics and such: http://projecthorus.org/?page_id=1021
[14:43] <jonsowman> altitude profile looks textbook :)
[14:44] <jonsowman> eroomde: are you ok to bring the ft-817 and whip t othe launch?
[14:44] <jonsowman> still in your car?
[14:47] <eroomde> do you require it?
[14:47] <eroomde> i thought you were all radio'd up
[14:47] <eroomde> but yes that's fine
[14:47] <jonsowman> we have two radios and three vehicles
[14:47] <jonsowman> might as well use the extra one - we will bring it back straight after recovery
[14:58] <m1x10> juxta, the Trimble Lassen IQ is ok with big heights?
[14:58] <juxta> m1x10: yup
[14:59] <m1x10> you work it with arduino ?
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[15:03] <juxta> m1x10: yes, I did
[15:04] <m1x10> hmm
[15:04] <m1x10> sparkfun ?
[15:05] <juxta> jonsowman: here's a pic of our offline tracking: www.bogaurd.net/tracking.png
[15:05] <juxta> green line is the plotted path, yellow waypoints are where a checksum failed but coords were guessed anyway, correct for the most part
[15:07] <juxta> m1x10: I think I bought the GPS module there
[15:09] <m1x10> juxta, does it come with a shield?
[15:09] <juxta> m1x10: no, i bought that elsewhere
[15:09] <juxta> http://www.adafruit.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=98
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[15:13] <jonsowman> juxta: looks excellent
[15:13] <jonsowman> good work
[15:13] <m1x10> thx juxta
[15:14] <juxta> jonsowman: the maps are what make it - they have every last detail down to every 4wd track & even where all the sheds/water tanks are
[15:14] <juxta> they're from surveying agencies
[15:16] <russss> you've got a lot of compass variation down there.
[15:17] <juxta> russss: hmm?
[15:19] <russss> it's only 4 degrees here
[15:19] <russss> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IGRF_2000_magnetic_declination.gif
[15:20] <juxta> oh right
[15:20] Action: russss didn't realise it varied so much
[15:20] <juxta> yeah, that's quite a lot
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[15:21] <jonsowman> jcoxon: possible to change the spacenear tracker to APEX?
[15:21] <juxta> I don't have a magnetic compas onboard, my heading is calculated from GPS
[15:21] <russss> oh, this is an awesome animation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Earth_Magnetic_Field_Declination_from_1590_to_1990.gif
[15:21] <juxta> but the other chase car does have a true compass
[15:42] <m1x10> have anyone soldered the FSA03 GPS ?
[15:43] <jcoxon> m1x10, yeah i soldered direct to it
[15:43] <jcoxon> its probably better to get the breakout board :-p
[15:43] <m1x10> does it have ?
[15:43] <m1x10> link?
[15:45] <m1x10> oh
[15:46] <m1x10> PERFECT
[15:46] <m1x10> but how do i read the data?
[15:46] <m1x10> its connects to usb
[15:46] <jcoxon> serial
[15:47] <m1x10> yes but how do i put it on an arduino ?
[15:47] <m1x10> or I cant?
[15:47] <jcoxon> connect it to the serial port of the arduino
[15:47] <jcoxon> its a normal gps
[15:47] <m1x10> wait
[15:47] <m1x10> got mixed up
[15:47] <m1x10> it has some pins
[15:48] <m1x10> two of them are tx/rx?
[15:48] <jcoxon> on that breakout board - 3.3v PWR, GND, TX, RX and 1-PPS
[15:49] <m1x10> ok
[15:49] <m1x10> tx rx are serial?
[15:49] <jcoxon> yes
[15:49] <m1x10> ok so i can draw 3.3v from arduino
[15:49] <m1x10> nice
[15:49] <jcoxon> though 3.3v so you'd have to be careful if you are using a 5v arduino
[15:49] <m1x10> :):)
[15:50] <m1x10> arduino duemilanove has a 3.3v pinwhole
[15:50] <jcoxon> i mean the rx/tx
[15:50] <m1x10> oops wait
[15:53] <m1x10> http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=666
[15:53] <m1x10> im using this arduino
[15:54] <m1x10> I will have problem with this ?
[15:54] <jcoxon> well the signals on that are 5v
[15:54] <jcoxon> and the fsa03 wants 3.3v
[15:56] <m1x10> ohh that issues with voltage
[15:56] <m1x10> get my nerves
[15:57] <jcoxon> i personally use a 3.3v arduino
[15:58] <m1x10> show me the link of this 3.3
[15:58] <jcoxon> oh mine is custom built
[15:58] <m1x10> late this afternoon Im going to make new order
[15:59] <m1x10> from sparkfun
[15:59] <jcoxon> http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9221
[15:59] <m1x10> and i will take one more arduino
[15:59] <jcoxon> however it doesn't work with 5v shields
[15:59] <jcoxon> basically i only use 3.3v for everything
[16:00] <jcoxon> makes life a lot easier
[16:00] <m1x10> every part in my aprs transmitter is based on 5V
[16:00] <jcoxon> well then stick to 5v
[16:00] <jcoxon> most gps modules are 3.3v though
[16:00] <m1x10> I just want to replace em406 module with this ublox
[16:01] Action: fsphil is making the payload box for hadie .. polystyrene *everywhere*! woo :)
[16:05] <m1x10> ouf
[16:06] <jcoxon> ping Matt_soton
[16:09] <m1x10> is any other 5v GPS without the altitude issue?
[16:14] <m1x10> crap: http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9041
[16:16] <jcoxon> ping jonsowman
[16:19] <m1x10> jcoxon, is there any posibility to use that level converter in order to connect the FSA03 gps breakout with my arduinos?
[16:19] <jcoxon> yup
[16:19] <m1x10> that thing?
[16:19] <m1x10> http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8745
[16:20] <m1x10> for vcc/tx/rx ... suitable?
[16:30] <jcoxon> m1x10, not too sure - the way they do that is a little bit dodgey - at least for high speed transfers
[16:31] <jcoxon> the best thing would be http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=316
[16:31] <jcoxon> but you'd need to make up the circuit
[16:31] <jcoxon> m1x10, recommend asking someone else on the channel
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[16:32] <jcoxon> ping jonsowman Matt_soton
[16:33] <m1x10> thx jcoxon
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[16:45] <russss> so I suppose I have to be up at 9 tomorrow to track this here balloon
[16:45] <russss> extending my record-breaking run of days without a lie-in ;)
[16:45] <jcoxon> russss, track from in bed
[16:46] <russss> I will have to go up on the roof and switch antennas unfortunately
[16:46] <russss> I have my random wire plugged in currently
[16:52] <sbasuita> ok uploaded r112 to my ppa
[16:52] <sbasuita> although could be a while till built :/
[16:52] <sbasuita> amd64: https://launchpad.net/~simrunbasuita/+archive/dl-fldigi/+build/1876526
[16:52] <sbasuita> i386: https://launchpad.net/~simrunbasuita/+archive/dl-fldigi/+build/1876527
[16:54] <jonsowman> jcoxon: ping
[16:54] <m1x10> jcoxon those guys from sparkfun tell me that is absolutely safe to use the converter
[16:55] <m1x10> they gave me a link to help me ouy
[16:55] <m1x10> http://www.cellbots.com/how-to/handling-3-3v-to-5v-logic-level-conversion/
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[17:10] <jcoxon> m1x10, cool then go for it
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[17:28] <m1x10> bb all
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[18:01] <fsphil> Half way there --> http://www.flickr.com/photos/fsphil/4799701214/
[18:08] <sbasuita> fsphil: we used that camera with pretty minimal insulation and it ran hot :P
[18:09] <fsphil> ah well, will keep the ntx2 warm ;-)
[18:09] <fsphil> I'm not putting any insulation between it and the tracker
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[18:46] <fsphil> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-10664362
[18:50] <SpeedEvil> neat
[18:50] <SpeedEvil> Now - next challenge is do that for 20 quid.
[18:53] <fsphil> a paper aeroplane made of a 20 quid note, released into the jet stream ... :)
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[19:45] <m1x10> hey
[19:46] <m1x10> I have a semi-noobed question
[19:46] <m1x10> what does it mean when I read "DC coupled" ?
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[19:47] <SpeedEvil> Not AC coupled
[19:48] <SpeedEvil> That is - there is a DC path from the input through the amplifier
[19:48] <SpeedEvil> Which means that for a *10 amplifier - a .1V offset on the input will be amplified to a 1V signal
[19:49] <SpeedEvil> For an AC coupled amp - it has a capacitor (typically) in series with the input - so it ignores DC - and will output 0V on constant input
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[19:52] <m1x10> so "coupling" has to do with amplifying?
[19:57] <SpeedEvil> no
[19:57] <SpeedEvil> Sort-of
[19:57] <SpeedEvil> umm
[19:57] <SpeedEvil> Generally it refers to amplifiers or filters
[19:58] <SpeedEvil> It means that the gain drops to 0 at DC for AC coupling
[19:58] <m1x10> yes
[19:58] <m1x10> and?
[19:58] <SpeedEvil> or remains at whatever it would 'nomrlaly' be for DC coupling
[19:58] <m1x10> eg. but the audio input for TNC-X is coupled through a capacitor
[19:58] <m1x10> what does this mean?
[19:59] <SpeedEvil> It means that you can't create a constant frequency offset by feeding in 1V say
[19:59] <SpeedEvil> TNC-X is a FM module - I forget the name
[19:59] <m1x10> SpeedEvil, thanks. Brb
[20:01] <SpeedEvil> np
[20:10] <m1x10> back
[20:21] <m1x10> icmp echo request -> SpeedEvil
[20:22] Nick change: RocketBoy|Away -> RocketBoy
[20:22] <SpeedEvil> ?
[20:22] <m1x10> http://www.esawdust.com/product/prot-fluxbottle/
[20:22] <m1x10> whats the use of that thing? I also see it at sparkfun
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[20:22] <SpeedEvil> you fill it with liquid flux
[20:23] <SpeedEvil> you use it to apply a drop or two onto the device or board to be soldered
[20:23] <m1x10> !!
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[20:23] <m1x10> withoug using any soldering skills?
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[20:24] <SpeedEvil> err - no
[20:24] <SpeedEvil> you then use a soldering iron and solder
[20:24] <SpeedEvil> the liquid flux can make some things significanty easier to solder
[20:25] <m1x10> aaa
[20:25] <m1x10> ok
[20:25] <m1x10> and the brass tip cleaner?
[20:25] <m1x10> whats this?
[20:25] <m1x10> http://www.esawdust.com/product/prot-brass-tip-cleaner/
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[20:25] <SpeedEvil> ot
[20:25] <SpeedEvil> it's a mildly abrasive pad used to hel p keep soldering iron tips clean
[20:26] <m1x10> ok
[20:27] <m1x10> have anyone had experience with venus gps? http://www.esawdust.com/product/egps-sfe-09171/
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[20:28] <m1x10> SpeedEvil have you ever done a flight?
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[20:29] <SpeedEvil> not yet.
[20:29] <SpeedEvil> I vaguely recall it had issues at high altitude
[20:29] <fsphil> I have a venus gps, but was told it won't work above 20km
[20:29] <m1x10> where ru from?
[20:30] <SpeedEvil> Me - scotland
[20:30] <m1x10> oh
[20:30] <m1x10> Cool
[20:30] <m1x10> scots brits irish
[20:30] <m1x10> all from north
[20:31] <m1x10> how is up there?
[20:31] <SpeedEvil> Lovely sunny day today
[20:31] <m1x10> :)
[20:31] <m1x10> scots have to do with vikings?
[20:32] <m1x10> valhalla and stuff?
[20:32] <SpeedEvil> no.
[20:32] <m1x10> those are the swidish guys?
[20:32] <SpeedEvil> Basically, there are no vikings anymore.
[20:33] <m1x10> :P
[20:33] <fsphil> apart from the two sitting on Mars anyway :)
[20:33] <m1x10> scotland is a separate country?
[20:34] <m1x10> of part of UK?
[20:34] <MindSpigot> how can u say that? I went to viking themed restaurant in iceland, are you saying they were werent???!!! :-)
[20:34] <m1x10> hehe
[20:34] <MindSpigot> and erm, hi
[20:34] <fsphil> haha, hi MindSpigot
[20:35] <SpeedEvil> Scotland is a consituent kingdom of the united kingdom of great britain
[20:35] <m1x10> ahh now i see google earth... sweden finland and norway
[20:35] <m1x10> you are far from them
[20:35] <SpeedEvil> It, along with northern ireland - forms the united kingdom of great britain and northern ireland.
[20:36] <m1x10> should be cold up there
[20:36] <MindSpigot> Though the 'only moderatly united kingdom of....' would be nearer the mark
[20:36] <SpeedEvil> 14C at the moment - got to 20C
[20:36] <SpeedEvil> MindSpigot: legally
[20:37] <MindSpigot> yes
[20:37] <m1x10> here before 2 hours was 34
[20:37] <MindSpigot> quite
[20:37] <m1x10> now its 21
[20:37] <m1x10> 32
[20:37] <m1x10> 31 sory
[20:37] <m1x10> so you live in a cool place
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[20:38] <m1x10> lucky
[20:38] <m1x10> here the climate changes like its going to be desert africa in 20 years
[20:38] <fsphil> It was 10c at the top of our local mountain yesterday
[20:38] <fsphil> with the wind chill it felt pretty nippy
[20:39] <m1x10> fsphil you brit if I remember correctly ?
[20:40] <fsphil> aye, that's my nationality though I'm actually from N.Ireland
[20:41] <m1x10> SpeedEvil are there any greeks left on scotland? students eg
[20:41] <m1x10> fsphil, venus gps stopped working above 20km? sure?
[20:42] <fsphil> it's what I read, but I haven't tested it.
[20:43] <fsphil> it's possible it can be switched into some kind of aviation mode to allow greater altitude
[20:44] <SpeedEvil> m1x10: No, we killed them all in 1994.
[20:44] <SpeedEvil> Mmmm. Barbecue.
[20:44] <m1x10> lol
[20:48] <fsphil> hmm.. looking at the venus datasheet it says OR not AND with the altitude and speed limits
[20:48] <m1x10> hmm
[20:48] <SpeedEvil> natrium42 would likely know
[20:48] <m1x10> tricky
[20:48] <m1x10> i'd better stick with ublox
[20:49] <fsphil> if I had more time I could add one to the next flight as a secondary GPS, test it properly
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[21:09] <m1x10> :0
[21:09] <m1x10> :)
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[21:21] <natrium42> ohaI
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[21:28] <RocketBoy> are there instructions on how to build the windows version of dl-fldigi?
[21:29] <fsphil> DanielRichman has build scripts that should, in theory, be able to built it with a single command
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[21:29] <fsphil> http://github.com/danielrichman/dl-fldigi-windows-build
[21:29] <fsphil> They seem to be written with ubuntu or debian in mind, don't work quite so well on fedora
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[21:30] <RocketBoy> thanks - I have ubuntu so maybe it'll work for me
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[22:19] <jonsowman> natrium42: ping
[22:20] <natrium42> yo
[22:20] <natrium42> got your emailz
[22:21] <natrium42> was canoeing camping in the wilderness (no cellular)
[22:21] <jonsowman> ahh i see
[22:21] <jonsowman> is it possible to get it sorted out now?
[22:21] <jonsowman> launching about 8.30am tomorrow
[22:21] <jonsowman> BSTR
[22:21] <jonsowman> *BST
[22:21] <natrium42> yeah, on it
[22:21] <jonsowman> thank you :)
[22:21] <jonsowman> we got rid of humidity
[22:22] <jonsowman> anyway apex.xml should explain al :)
[22:22] <natrium42> can you send a sample to the tracker?
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[22:23] <jonsowman> natrium42: http://robertharrison.org/listen/view.php?reg=/M6VXO/
[22:23] <jonsowman> it's been running on the journey up here
[22:23] <natrium42> but it's not being forwarded to spacenear.us
[22:24] <Randomskk> yay wifi tethering
[22:25] <jonsowman> hmm
[22:25] <jonsowman> that's interesting
[22:25] <jonsowman> ok
[22:25] <jonsowman> natrium42: will get it transmitting asap
[22:25] <natrium42> k
[22:29] <natrium42> jonsowman, i think they all go into custom field in the xml
[22:29] <natrium42> a la horus.xml
[22:31] <jonsowman> oh okay
[22:31] <jonsowman> so just one field for all the custom stuff?
[22:31] <jonsowman> even though it's comma delim'd?
[22:31] <natrium42> i think so
[22:32] <natrium42> jonsowman, just seems the way other payloads have done it
[22:32] <natrium42> also, bearing is custom too, right?
[22:33] <natrium42> maybe not
[22:33] <jonsowman> i don't know
[22:34] <natrium42> no, it's fine
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[22:34] <jonsowman> shall i make a new xml?
[22:34] <natrium42> yeah, so just put everything else into custom
[22:34] <jonsowman> natrium42: payload transmitting and has lock
[22:35] <natrium42> ok
[22:35] <natrium42> no use yet as you need to change xml
[22:35] <natrium42> :)
[22:35] <natrium42> do you have access?
[22:35] <jonsowman> i do
[22:35] <natrium42> k
[22:37] <jonsowman> every after bearing is custom?
[22:39] <natrium42> yeo
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[22:41] <jonsowman> natrium42: done
[22:45] <natrium42> jonsowman,
[22:45] <natrium42> Invalid field count!
[22:46] <natrium42> FAILED: Field count failed expecting 8 fields received 17 fields
[22:46] <jonsowman> hmm yeh
[22:46] <jonsowman> thats because there are not 8 fields on the xml
[22:46] <jonsowman> one of them being custom
[22:46] <jonsowman> but the fields are comma delimited
[22:46] Action: natrium42 looks at horus.xml again
[22:48] <natrium42> jonsowman, it should be 9
[22:48] <natrium42> <fields>9</fields>
[22:49] <jonsowman> done
[22:55] <natrium42> jonsowman, oooh
[22:56] <natrium42> horus used ; for the custom field in the radio sentence
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[22:57] <natrium42> HORUS,302,17:27:58,-35.0387,139.2649,27,0,2;35;28;1014;43*5D
[22:57] <natrium42> (that's for horus 1)
[22:58] <fsphil> night all
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[22:59] <natrium42> jonsowman, bbl, going to watch inception in the cinema
[22:59] <natrium42> i'll finish later
[23:00] <natrium42> just see if you can get the fields to show up in the tracker, i will add format conversion later
[23:00] <jonsowman> okay
[23:00] <jonsowman> thank you
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[23:04] <Randomskk> lol power has broke
[23:04] <Randomskk> we may have blown the circuit for this room
[23:06] <RocketBoy> :-)
[23:06] <RocketBoy> nights
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[23:34] <jcoxon> ping natrium42
[23:34] <jcoxon> pah missed him
[23:35] <jcoxon> cya all
[23:35] <jcoxon> good luck for tomorrow
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[23:57] <Laurenceb> http://jnaudin.free.fr/steorn/indexen.htm
[23:58] <Laurenceb> the hell
[23:59] <Laurenceb> my crackpottermeter has been fried
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