highaltitude.log.20100710

[00:03] <DrLuke> what do you guys think about this transmitter: http://www.radiometrix.com/content/hx1
[00:03] <jcoxon> without a licence you would have to use the 169mhz version
[00:04] <DrLuke> Features: Standard frequency:169MHz band
[00:04] <jcoxon> yes
[00:04] <DrLuke> so... uhhh
[00:05] <jcoxon> you would need to check your laws
[00:05] <jcoxon> we couldn't use that in the UK
[00:05] <DrLuke> the descreption says: and available for operation on 169MHz European licence exempt frequency band.
[00:05] <jcoxon> its output power is too high
[00:05] <DrLuke> that sucks for you :/
[00:05] <jcoxon> yes but that is on the ground - in the air is a differnet matter
[00:05] <DrLuke> oh, there's actually a difference in law for that?
[00:05] <jcoxon> with individual regulations in different countries
[00:06] <jcoxon> yes
[00:06] <DrLuke> hmm
[00:06] <jcoxon> though you might find that germany have the same regulations for in the air as on the ground
[00:06] <DrLuke> I might aswell just consider getting a radio license
[00:06] <DrLuke> is there some radio channel on freenode where someone will know for sure?
[00:07] <jcoxon> not about that
[00:07] <jcoxon> you would need to investigate yourself
[00:07] <jcoxon> the radio channels on freenode will only know on the ground
[00:07] <DrLuke> ok
[00:08] <jcoxon> you could speak to the other germans who launch balloons
[00:08] <DrLuke> I actually already own a radio license
[00:08] <DrLuke> but only for planes
[00:08] <LazyLeopard> Laurenceb: This evening's noctilucent clouds as seen from Orpington: http://gallery.orpington-astronomy.org.uk/displayimage-976.html and http://gallery.orpington-astronomy.org.uk/displayimage-977.html
[00:08] <DrLuke> sexy
[00:09] <DrLuke> woops the HX1 is acutally a bit expensive
[00:09] <jcoxon> DrLuke, http://www.ballonprojekt.de/
[00:10] <DrLuke> oh thanks :)
[00:12] <jcoxon> night all
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[00:12] <DrLuke> I'll also go to bed, bye
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[07:51] <jcoxon> wow natrium is a genius
[07:54] <jcoxon> morning all
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[08:35] <eroomde> morning
[08:40] <eroomde> jcoxon: ping
[08:55] <jcoxon> morning eroomde
[08:55] <jcoxon> pong eroomde
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[09:00] <eroomde> jcoxon: sorry it didn't wiggle
[09:00] <eroomde> what sort of time are you heading over?
[09:00] <jcoxon> for 2pm?
[09:01] <eroomde> cool
[09:06] <jcoxon> ummm, need to go to B&Q
[09:09] <jcoxon> as still have to construct the vent
[09:09] <jcoxon> (will bring the equipment
[09:12] <jcoxon> )
[09:12] <fsphil> morning all! good luck with the launch jcoxon
[09:13] <fsphil> I need to setup my remote station. I'm not sitting in the attic all night ;-)
[09:13] <jcoxon> haha
[09:13] <jcoxon> shouldn't be too difficult :-p
[09:13] <fsphil> php + rigctl ftw :)
[09:15] <jcoxon> shouldn't be a challenge
[09:15] <jcoxon> :-p
[09:16] <jcoxon> as its on a lan you could just vnc
[09:17] <fsphil> I'll be needing something simple for my own launch anyway
[09:21] <jcoxon> fair enough
[09:37] <LA3QMA> the launch 1800 how long is it expected to be in the air?
[09:38] <jcoxon> LA3QMA, at least 4 hours
[09:38] <jcoxon> could go all night
[09:39] <jcoxon> LA3QMA, have you seen the flight path?
[09:40] <LA3QMA> yes north then east and then south/west ?
[09:40] <jcoxon> http://www.pegasushabproject.org.uk/wiki/doku.php/missions:ballasthalo:ballasthalo5#flight_plan
[09:40] <LA3QMA> ahh
[09:40] <LA3QMA> south first ;o)
[09:40] <jcoxon> oh the green arrow is the launch site
[09:41] <jcoxon> so it'll go north first :-p
[09:41] <LA3QMA> ahh ok
[09:41] <LA3QMA> lol
[09:41] <jcoxon> LA3QMA, where are you based?
[09:41] <LA3QMA> JP20PI
[09:41] <jcoxon> cool
[09:41] <jcoxon> going to try and listen - its quite far ;-p
[09:42] <LA3QMA> so i'm going to listen. and i know it's a "bit" far. but i have to try
[09:42] <jcoxon> that would certainly break the distance record
[09:42] <jcoxon> worth a try
[09:42] <jcoxon> will you have internet connection from your listening site?
[09:42] <LA3QMA> Shetland is ok from the same qth so adding 300Km extra is not far ;o)
[09:42] <LA3QMA> not sure i'm hoping for an open wlan
[09:43] <jcoxon> if you do then it would be very helpful if you could run dl-fldigi to decode the data
[09:43] <LA3QMA> or i could make something via aprs or a packetnode to connect back home
[09:43] <jcoxon> as it would then forward to us the strings you receive
[09:44] <LA3QMA> first i have to receive something hehe
[09:46] <jcoxon> if not just post onto IRC :-p
[09:46] <LA3QMA> not sure if i can get the yagi with me. but on the qth we have some packet UHF links i can disable for this event. its pointing sout so its probably better than nothing. if not i have to use an GP
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[09:47] <LA3QMA> if i get any data i'm storing it
[09:47] <jcoxon> okay
[09:48] <jcoxon> cool
[09:50] <jcoxon> bbiab
[09:51] <LA3QMA> bebackinabaloon ??
[10:04] <fsphil> haha
[10:06] <fsphil> ooh the flight path is getting closer to the north sea
[10:09] <LA3QMA> probably a good thing for me
[10:09] <LA3QMA> weather change?
[10:11] <fsphil> a more accurate forecast I think
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[10:35] <rjharrison> Hey RocketBoy long time no hear
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[10:36] <rjharrison> Are you going to be around for the launch tonight?
[10:36] <rjharrison> Typical
[10:36] <rjharrison> :)
[10:36] <rjharrison> moring jasonb
[10:36] <rjharrison> opps jcoxon
[10:36] <rjharrison> hey DanielRichman how are the exams going>
[10:36] <rjharrison> ?
[10:37] <rjharrison> Randomskk, I passed M0RHX
[10:37] <rjharrison> RJX even
[10:38] <fsphil> I'm here :-p
[10:38] <fsphil> lol
[10:39] <rjharrison> OMG I thought I was been subbed :)
[10:39] <rjharrison> lol
[10:39] <rjharrison> How is going. I'm going to have a go at getting the ft817nd linked up to a web page
[10:40] <rjharrison> Will probably use the hamlib stuff with php
[10:40] <fsphil> yes I was thinking about that last night
[10:40] <fsphil> hamlib has a nice little command, rigctl
[10:40] <rjharrison> hehe Yep
[10:41] <rjharrison> That should make life easy
[10:42] <fsphil> very, plus it can handle more than just the 817
[10:42] <rjharrison> Yep potentially all the rigs supported by hamlib
[10:42] <fsphil> I wonder how well it would handle multiple calls simultaneously, might need some kind of lock
[10:45] <jcoxon> morning rjharrison
[10:45] <jcoxon> sorry was getting my car
[10:45] <jcoxon> eek the rotherhithe tunnel is closed
[10:45] <jcoxon> and i have a bad feeling the blackwall is closed as well
[10:54] <rjharrison> np, i'm looking after jack today (3) as he has chicken pox
[10:55] <jcoxon> no scratching!
[10:56] <rjharrison> Easier said than done but so far so good
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[11:09] <eroomde> rjharrison: hello finally
[11:11] <jcoxon> eroomde, should i go to b&q first then meet you at churchill?
[11:12] <eroomde> are you driving?
[11:12] <rjharrison> eroomde hi
[11:13] <rjharrison> eroomde,Looks like you are catching up with james today
[11:13] <eroomde> jcoxon: it is atm i think
[11:13] <eroomde> i drove through central last time
[11:13] <jcoxon> yup
[11:13] <eroomde> rjharrison: correct
[11:14] <eroomde> jcoxon: i did it at midnight - it's quite nice driving the length of the north bank at night
[11:14] <eroomde> rjharrison: congrats on getting the full license
[11:14] <rjharrison> eroomde thanks
[11:14] <jcoxon> yeah i prefer taking the rotherhithe as its literally 100m from my door but i'll go over tower bridge
[11:14] <rjharrison> Required a bit of learning for me
[11:14] <eroomde> I'm not sure I've particularly benefited from it :) but if I go to aus i can switch over to an aus call easily
[11:15] <eroomde> well, learning is why we do it, I guess
[11:15] <rjharrison> hehe yep
[11:16] <eroomde> jcoxon: i would say hit b&q first, yep
[11:16] <jcoxon> eroomde, i'll set off at 12:30, go to b&q on the way then head over to churchill
[11:16] <jcoxon> have you got the cusf yagi?
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[11:19] <eroomde> jcoxon: yep
[11:19] <eroomde> rjharrison: i have been spending a bit less time online yep
[11:20] <eroomde> am thinking computer sare being a bit of a time hog, and it's amazing how much cool signal processing (my current research job) can be done with a pen and paper
[11:21] <eroomde> computers are*
[11:26] <rjharrison> eroomde hehe yes. Computers do take up a huge amount of time
[11:30] <jcoxon> eroomde, is anyone else left in cambridge for the flight?
[11:37] <eroomde> iain might be around
[11:37] <eroomde> you think we need another bod?
[11:38] <eroomde> oh shit must update the website
[11:38] <jcoxon> no i think we'll be okay
[11:38] <jcoxon> was just wondering
[11:38] <jcoxon> eek
[11:39] <eroomde> s'ok, cam tower couldn't care less :)
[11:40] <jcoxon> best not get complacent :-p
[11:41] <eroomde> done
[11:41] <jcoxon> cool cool
[11:42] <eroomde> jcoxon: krystian zimerman playing totentanz on youtube - it's something else. never knew a piano could sound like that http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2NnN_IlmtE
[11:42] Action: jcoxon is doing final testing
[11:42] <eroomde> do your final testing to this
[11:42] <eroomde> it'll get you in the zone
[11:42] <jcoxon> eroomde, the delights of rtty http://pegasus4.no-ip.org/
[11:43] <jcoxon> hehe i'm feedbacking my sound into dl-fldigi - not sure how it would cope with some music :-
[11:43] <jcoxon> p:-)
[11:43] <eroomde> i can't hear any audio
[11:44] <jcoxon> is the audio bar thingy at the top working?
[11:45] <rjharrison> Do we have an updated prediction for tonights flight? I assume you are still coming north unless there has been a wind change!
[11:45] <jcoxon> hasn't shifted very much
[11:46] <jcoxon> http://www.pegasushabproject.org.uk/wiki/doku.php/missions:ballasthalo:ballasthalo5#flight_plan
[11:51] <rjharrison> Wow cool flight path
[11:52] <eroomde> it's awesome isn't it
[11:52] <eroomde> it's exactly the profile we tried to fly this time last year iirc
[11:52] <eroomde> north-sea the dog-leg back in
[11:53] <rjharrison> Whats the float alt set at
[11:53] <jcoxon> for that 30km
[11:53] <rjharrison> wow
[11:53] <jcoxon> basically we need to float for about 2hrs
[11:54] <jcoxon> to make it back onto land
[11:54] <jcoxon> but a float lower down would be fine
[11:55] <eroomde> we'd better do the sums when you arrive
[11:55] <jcoxon> yes indeed
[11:55] <rjharrison> You could easily float all night
[11:55] <jcoxon> eroomde, remember we have ballast tanks
[11:56] <jcoxon> so they'll dump if our inital ascent rate is a bit too low
[11:56] <jcoxon> so it might be worth underfilling a tiny bit
[11:58] <fsphil> heh, I can hear a weak signal on 434.075 that sounds distinctly like rtty
[11:58] <rjharrison> lol
[11:59] <eroomde> jcoxon: oh yes good point
[12:00] <eroomde> fsphil: that'd be your brain
[12:00] <eroomde> you guys know HeloiSS has been recovered yep?
[12:00] <jcoxon> yeah
[12:00] <jcoxon> great news
[12:00] <rjharrison> No caool
[12:00] <rjharrison> cool
[12:00] <rjharrison> Where was it and who found it
[12:00] <fsphil> nah, my brain works in PSK :)
[12:00] <rjharrison> lol
[12:01] <eroomde> http://www.flickr.com/photos/51961961@N08/sets/72157624459186628/
[12:01] <eroomde> found by a farmer in his field
[12:01] <jcoxon> any idea on the exact landing site?
[12:02] <eroomde> ask junderwood
[12:03] <rjharrison> A strange selection of pictures
[12:03] <rjharrison> Nice though
[12:03] <rjharrison> No extreme alt ones
[12:03] <cuddykid> got my tripod and antenna all hooked up for tracking later!
[12:07] <eroomde> rjharrison: i think actually some of them are from a pretty hight alt
[12:07] <eroomde> they just don't look it so much
[12:07] <eroomde> but i reckon it was a good 35km flight
[12:07] <eroomde> cuddykid: awesome
[12:07] <eroomde> remind me where you're based again?
[12:08] <cuddykid> eroomde: me?
[12:08] <eroomde> yep
[12:08] <cuddykid> I'm based near worcester
[12:08] <jcoxon> 2 launches today actually
[12:08] <eroomde> oh cool
[12:08] <cuddykid> so should receive great signal!
[12:08] <eroomde> perfect
[12:08] <eroomde> 2?
[12:08] <jcoxon> wb8elk is launching at the same time
[12:08] <jcoxon> but natrium has worked super magic
[12:08] <jcoxon> and now we have tabbed altitude graphs
[12:09] <cuddykid> cue the "oooooooooooo" ! haha. Nice
[12:09] <jcoxon> that said its not appearing :-p
[12:10] <griffonbot> @jamescoxon: #bh5 #arhab Final testing of BallastHalo 5 - ignore points on http://spacenear.us/tracker/ [http://twitter.com/jamescoxon/status/18189929950]
[12:10] <eroomde> spam
[12:10] <jcoxon> haha
[12:10] <jcoxon> <eroomde> spam> spam
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[12:11] <eroomde> i'm warming up my kicking boot
[12:11] <LA3QMA> 1800 UTC ??
[12:11] <jcoxon> LA3QMA, yes
[12:11] <LA3QMA> tnx
[12:12] <eroomde> hrm you reckon?
[12:12] <jcoxon> 19:00 BST launch
[12:12] <eroomde> what time is sunset at 30km?
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[12:12] <jcoxon> ground sunset is at 21:20 BST
[12:12] <eroomde> greetings G8DSU
[12:12] <jcoxon> so 21:20 + 40mins
[12:12] <jcoxon> 22:00 BST
[12:12] <eroomde> ok so about 2100ZULU
[12:13] <jcoxon> so 10800s * 2.5m/s
[12:13] <jcoxon> 27km alt
[12:13] <jcoxon> :-p
[12:13] <eroomde> fine :p
[12:13] <jcoxon> its nearly identical to BH2 flight
[12:13] <jcoxon> thats where i got my calcs from really
[12:13] <eroomde> what's the bound of ascent rate for the damp algo?
[12:13] <eroomde> dump*
[12:13] <jcoxon> +1.0 - -1.0
[12:13] <jcoxon> for 10mins
[12:14] <eroomde> ok. is there any filtering on that?
[12:14] <jcoxon> in my own way yeah
[12:14] <eroomde> or does it just diff adjacent gps strings?
[12:14] <eroomde> ok
[12:14] <jcoxon> so it'll then count down from 10
[12:14] <jcoxon> so that if it was a rogue calc it won't throw it off
[12:15] <G8DSU> Hi, looks like I'll be around to track. Hope it goes well. Presume no camera on this flight?
[12:15] <jcoxon> no camera - lots of insulation and a bit of ballast
[12:15] <eroomde> ok. i'm sure nyquist is turning in his grave but ok cool
[12:15] <jcoxon> haha
[12:15] <jcoxon> tested quite a bit
[12:16] <jcoxon> :-p
[12:16] <eroomde> i am thinking pressure might be a better way of doing this, in general, rather than alt
[12:16] <eroomde> cos then it won't get confused if you get stuck in a gravity wave
[12:17] <jcoxon> possibly
[12:17] <jcoxon> leave that to someone else to sort
[12:17] <eroomde> i.e. you define float as keeping your ambient pressure within a bound
[12:17] <G8DSU> Dribbling gin all over East Anglia (presuming that the ballast has a high alcohol content)!
[12:17] <eroomde> near-space drunk
[12:18] <eroomde> G8DSU: we once flew a mini-bar bottle of port (space port)
[12:18] <G8DSU> magic
[12:18] <eroomde> and in our double blind taste test, 6 out of 7 people thought the space port tasted better
[12:20] <fsphil> does the space port give super powers?
[12:21] <eroomde> it increases your power to enjoy cheese
[12:21] <shauno> I'm more impressed that you managed to share a mini-bar bottle between 7 people
[12:24] <eroomde> there were a couple
[12:25] <eroomde> but i mean madira is just port that is aged by going sailing across the seas in barrels, where the heat and sloshing give it its unique flavour
[12:26] <eroomde> and that's a big market nowadays
[12:26] <eroomde> madeira*
[12:26] <eroomde> so why not have space port under the same logic? there's money to bed had I tell you
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[12:34] <jcoxon_> typical
[12:35] <jcoxon_> my router now decides to forget its port forwarding settings
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[12:38] <shauno> eroomde: sadly, you're probably right. especially when you factor in the natural scarcity
[12:40] <eroomde> supply and demand
[12:45] <LA3QMA> remember to enable the 300W PA at max height ;o)
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[13:02] <eroomde> LA3QMA: if only :)
[13:03] <LA3QMA> hehe i just prepared a 5EL for 70cm better than nothing
[13:15] <rjharrison> LA3QMA a 3 element is pertty good
[13:16] <LA3QMA> its about 1h walk so then it's some time setting things up
[13:18] <LA3QMA> just have to remember the radio ;o)
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[13:20] <jcoxon> ping eroomde
[13:21] <eroomde> jcoxon: yo
[13:21] <jcoxon> still at home
[13:22] <jcoxon> my router is now refusing to port forward
[13:22] <jcoxon> so i can't get my damn remote radio to work
[13:22] <jcoxon> so will be a bit late :-p
[13:22] <jcoxon> setting off in 10mins
[13:22] <eroomde> np
[13:22] <eroomde> we have time
[13:23] <eroomde> remember when you used to crash at mine the night before?
[13:23] <jcoxon> yeah
[13:23] <eroomde> that sounds a little too sickly reminiscant
[13:23] <jcoxon> i've decided that no router can properly port forward
[13:23] <jcoxon> they claim they are doing it but they aren't
[13:24] <eroomde> build yourself a cheapo nat box
[13:25] <LA3QMA> so it's RTTY with NMEA most of the time and every 10 it's CW and hell ?
[13:25] <eroomde> one thing which osx is a lot better at than linux is basically making an easy gui for useful things that take a lot of faff in iptables
[13:25] <eroomde> like sharing your ethernet connection over wifi for other people
[13:26] <eroomde> i really with ubuntu had a trivial "share connection from [dropdown of network connections] over [dropdown of network connections"
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[15:50] <eroomde> guys, the local 70cm repeater is gb3py and it's on echolink
[15:50] <eroomde> does anyone want to try logging into it via echolink?
[15:51] <eroomde> we can give updates over it
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[16:17] <eroomde> ping again about GB3PY echolink - we'll try and be on it
[16:18] <eroomde> james in in cambridge now
[16:20] <griffonbot> @jamescoxon: In Cambridge Tesco getting supplies #bh5 #ukhas [http://twitter.com/jamescoxon/status/18202857317]
[16:20] <LazyLeopard> Launch still planned for 7pm?
[16:20] <fsphil> I don't know enough about echolink atm, though I am registered
[16:21] Action: LazyLeopard sometimes hears folks through echolink on the local repeaters, but hasn't taken it any further...
[16:22] <fsphil> lemme see if it runs on linux
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[16:24] <LazyLeopard> http://www.cambridgerepeaters.net/repeaters/7/echolink-info/
[16:24] <LA3QMA> should work ok in WINE
[16:24] <LA3QMA> thers also a light version for linux
[16:25] <LA3QMA> hope the 1800utc is not changed
[16:26] <fsphil> works well with wine, and I seem to be connected
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[16:44] <fsphil> for those blessed with ipv6, my radio is now online: http://cube.sanslogic.co.uk/radio.php
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[17:33] <eroomde> ok we're in the control room in chu
[17:33] Nick change: eroomde -> m0tek_BH5
[17:34] Nick change: m0tek_BH5 -> M0TEK_Ed
[17:43] <fsphil> ed, is there any chatter on that repeater?
[17:43] <Colin_> what is the estimated launch time?
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[18:04] <LA3QMA> could someone send me a sms when thers a new eta and a sms when its in the air?
[18:04] <LA3QMA> i have 1h walk to get to this qth and probably no Internet
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[18:04] <OE_G3VZV_Graham> la3qma - yup wots yr fone number?
[18:05] <LA3QMA> +4740003512
[18:05] <OE_G3VZV_Graham> rgr I will sned sms from my fone +447713665725 - enjoy the walk
[18:06] <LA3QMA> tnx :o)
[18:06] <LA3QMA> you might get an sms later from me
[18:07] <LA3QMA> 73
[18:08] <OE_G3VZV_Graham> 73
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[18:18] <OE_G3VZV_Graham> hijames - launch time still ok for 1800UTC?
[18:20] <jcoxon> thats the plan
[18:20] <jcoxon> just waiting for a lock
[18:20] <OE_G3VZV_Graham> rgr
[18:24] <fsphil> the car's on the tracker
[18:25] <OE_G3VZV_Graham> tnxs
[18:26] <jcoxon> that car isn't meant to be there
[18:27] Nick change: OE_G3VZV_Graham -> G3VZV-Graham
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[18:33] <rjharrison> The tracker looks clear now :)
[18:33] <rjharrison> fsphil have you done the web interface ?
[18:33] <rjharrison> cool
[18:38] <fsphil> a very crude one! it works better than I expected
[18:38] <fsphil> are you able to get to it?
[18:40] <rjharrison> fsphil negative
[18:40] <rjharrison> There is no active tracker in cabridge at the moment
[18:40] <rjharrison> cambridge
[18:41] <Colin_> I'm around and should be able to track
[18:41] <Colin_> eta for launch?
[18:41] <rjharrison> 20 mins
[18:41] <rjharrison> + faf time
[18:42] <Colin_> ok
[18:42] <rjharrison> = 20mins to 1hr and 20 mins :)
[18:42] <jnd> looks like the stream at http://pegasus4.no-ip.org/ is down
[18:42] <rjharrison> Colin_ you will be the first ears on the payload
[18:42] <fsphil> jnd, there was some port forwarding problems, I think he had to abandon it
[18:42] <jnd> ah ok
[18:43] Nick change: rjharrison -> M0RJX
[18:43] <M0RJX> :)
[18:43] <Colin_> what id the command line switch for dl-fldigi that I need?
[18:43] <fsphil> looks good lol
[18:43] <M0RJX> --HAB
[18:43] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[18:43] <Colin_> ta
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[18:44] <M0RJX> yay on map
[18:47] <Colin_> Helio as the payload?
[18:47] <M0RJX> atlas
[18:47] <M0RJX> then select autoconf
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[18:48] <Colin_> ok, I'm ready
[18:48] <M0RJX> cool
[18:48] Action: Colin_ changes nick to match his tracker
[18:48] <M0RJX> can see you on the tracker too
[18:48] Nick change: Colin_ -> g8tmv
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[18:48] <M0RJX> hey junderwood congrats on the recovery
[18:49] <M0RJX> Bet you were pleased
[18:49] <M0RJX> M0RJX = rharrison
[18:49] <junderwood> You bet & junderwood = M0JCU now as well
[18:49] <M0RJX> junderwood congrats
[18:50] <junderwood> Ta
[18:50] Nick change: M0RJX -> M0RJX_Robert
[18:50] <g8tmv> ok, don't know how quickly I'll aquire it, I still don't have a proper 70cms antenna
[18:50] <M0RJX_Robert> g8tmv looks like jcoxons connection is a bit flaky
[18:51] <M0RJX_Robert> g8tmv I think you will have it with 100 meteres
[18:51] <M0RJX_Robert> what radio are you using
[18:52] <g8tmv> ft-817, but only a rubber duck antenna - although it is up a 9 metere pole stuck out of the window
[18:52] <M0RJX_Robert> hey M0TEK_Ed
[18:52] <M0RJX_Robert> g8tmv that will be fine
[18:53] <g8tmv> it's worked before - but I get lots of errors in the telemetry
[18:54] <M0RJX_Robert> bbiab
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[18:55] <cuddykid> hi all! Are we still on track for launch in 5 mins?
[18:57] <fsphil> M0RJX_Robert, try http://195.112.16.94:8070/radio.php
[19:00] <natrium42> fixed graph times, refresh
[19:01] <fsphil> natrium42, can the altitude box be resized?
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[19:01] <natrium42> no, only the map
[19:03] <natrium42> 30C? pretty hot
[19:04] <cuddykid> is there a live video stream like some launches?
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[19:04] <natrium42> jcoxon, something wrong with tims stamps
[19:04] <natrium42> *time
[19:05] <natrium42> no 0 padding
[19:05] <natrium42> M6JCX : ATLAS,95,18:5:1,52.2137,0.1008,21,6,0.0;0;0;39;32;98;500;0*70
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[19:06] <jcoxon> natrium42, is that an issue?
[19:06] <natrium42> checking
[19:08] <natrium42> well, the dl server isn't parsing it correctly then
[19:08] <natrium42> M0RJX_Robert, can has login?
[19:10] <natrium42> jcoxon, could use server times... but then lose some precision
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[19:13] <natrium42> looks like they're in the field
[19:13] <natrium42> NUCLEAR LAUNCH DETECTED
[19:14] <jcoxon> launch
[19:14] <jcoxon> can't we just add in 0's
[19:14] <natrium42> on rob's server
[19:14] <natrium42> wtb login :)
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[19:17] <g8tmv> jcoxon_: is it up?
[19:17] <jcoxon_> yes
[19:17] <g8tmv> Hmm... I can't hear it
[19:17] <g8tmv> 434.075?
[19:17] <jcoxon_> though we had a small ballast leak
[19:18] <jcoxon_> 434.072
[19:18] <jcoxon_> not sure if i stopped it or not
[19:18] <jcoxon_> oh well
[19:18] <jcoxon_> its in the air
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[19:18] <jcoxon_> ascent rate is a little high
[19:19] <jcoxon_> eek
[19:19] <M0RJX_Robert> yep
[19:19] <G3VZV-Graham> good sig @ milton keynes
[19:19] <natrium42> jcoxon_, do you have login for rob's server? i lost that info...
[19:19] <G3VZV-Graham> no spin/flutter
[19:19] <g8tmv> right, I'm decoding
[19:20] <jonsowman> jcoxon_: target asc rate?
[19:20] <jcoxon_> 2-3
[19:20] <jcoxon_> it could be that we are leaking ballast
[19:20] <jcoxon_> or that its a bit hot
[19:20] <jonsowman> right
[19:20] <jcoxon_> or that we miscalculated
[19:20] <jcoxon_> that said it looked pretty slow
[19:20] <M0RJX_Robert> natrium42 see pm
[19:21] <jcoxon_> natrium42, thanks for fixing
[19:21] <LazyLeopard> Ah. Brain-fade. Got it on 434.072
[19:22] <natrium42> M0RJX_Robert, what file do you parse the time in?
[19:22] <M0RJX_Robert> ill fix it
[19:22] <M0RJX_Robert> one sec
[19:22] <natrium42> oh, ok
[19:23] <natrium42> 4 receivers, nice
[19:24] <jcoxon_> external temp is pretty warm for 2.5km alt
[19:24] <jcoxon_> is really hot here today
[19:24] <fsphil> I'm switching my radio off for a min, relocating to the attic
[19:25] <natrium42> ascent rate looks better now
[19:27] <natrium42> g8tmv, any luck?
[19:28] <natrium42> oh, excellent
[19:28] <g8tmv> yes, not much though
[19:29] <g8tmv> looks like the shift is more like 370
[19:31] <natrium42> jcoxon_, what ascent rate is float?
[19:33] <M0RJX_Robert> natrium42 can you check your inbound data
[19:33] <M0RJX_Robert> I have just done a fix
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[19:35] <M0RJX_Robert> time will have jumped to BST
[19:35] <M0RJX_Robert> jcoxon_ time fixed
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[19:38] <natrium42> M0RJX_Robert, it should be UTC
[19:38] <cuddykid> receiving in worcester! however it seems to be very faint? :S
[19:39] <natrium42> we will do time conversion in the browser (later)
[19:39] <juxta> hi all
[19:39] <natrium42> yo ju
[19:39] <natrium42> *juxta
[19:39] <juxta> hey natrium42
[19:39] <jnd> 6 receivers
[19:39] <juxta> i'll change my payload to UTC in future too ;)
[19:39] <M0RJX_Robert> view.php has been cleared
[19:39] <M0RJX_Robert> juxta cool
[19:40] <natrium42> juxta, cool, i will just convert to user time zone in javascript
[19:40] <natrium42> backend should be UTC strictly
[19:40] <jonsowman> why are we all using UTC?
[19:40] <natrium42> because it's universal :)
[19:40] <jonsowman> ah
[19:40] <jonsowman> well that makes sense
[19:40] <jonsowman> :)
[19:41] <fsphil> radio is back online
[19:41] <jonsowman> natrium42: need to sort out displaying temps and sats for APEX at some point
[19:41] <jonsowman> not now though :)
[19:41] <natrium42> k, sure
[19:41] <M0RJX_Robert> nat fixed in UTC now
[19:41] <M0RJX_Robert> date_default_timezone_set('UTC');
[19:41] <jonsowman> thanks
[19:41] <natrium42> cool, excellent rob
[19:41] <M0RJX_Robert> can you fix the few bad db packets if need be?
[19:42] <natrium42> M0RJX_Robert, does it work for non-zeropadded times now?
[19:42] <M0RJX_Robert> yes as it's not sending you payload time but the server time
[19:42] <natrium42> it should send payload time...
[19:43] <M0RJX_Robert> ok but it will only be a few seconds out
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[19:43] <M0RJX_Robert> I'll fix it
[19:43] <natrium42> k, excellent
[19:43] <M0RJX_Robert> just got to sort kid out first
[19:43] <natrium42> those seconds matter for ascent rate calculation, etc
[19:43] <natrium42> and for predictions
[19:44] <natrium42> no probs
[19:47] <natrium42> 8 receivers, cool
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[19:55] <jcoxon_> hey natrium42 :-)
[19:55] <jcoxon_> great altitude tabs
[19:55] <jonsowman> ooo snazzy
[19:55] <natrium42> heh, thx, a quick hack
[19:55] <jonsowman> nicely done
[19:56] <natrium42> :)
[19:56] <natrium42> is wb8elk still on for today?
[19:56] <jonsowman> natrium42: is it possible to get the tracker to convert hex values in the telemetry to decimal and then display?
[19:57] <natrium42> sure
[19:57] <jonsowman> :)
[19:57] <jonsowman> we have ionising radiation detectors on apex II, and other sensors
[19:57] <natrium42> oh, cool
[19:57] <jonsowman> transmitted as hex - would be cool to have them displayed on the tracker :)
[19:57] <natrium42> just let me know the format and i will add it
[19:57] <jonsowman> thank you :) will do that tomorrow if that's okay
[19:58] <natrium42> that's fine, np
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[20:03] <fsphil> what's the current dial frequency?
[20:04] <LazyLeopard> 434.07335 on mine
[20:04] <fsphil> thanks
[20:05] <fsphil> there's a squiggle on the altitude graph at 6500 metres
[20:05] <M0TEK_Ed> so there is
[20:06] <M0TEK_Ed> the gps did have a bit of an upset a few minutes ago
[20:06] <M0TEK_Ed> seems happy now
[20:06] <fsphil> yea, the graph seems to continue on as it would have after the squiggle
[20:06] <natrium42> i think those were out of order points
[20:07] <natrium42> need to fix it eventually
[20:16] <fsphil> good thing about the wet weather here is nobody is out cutting their grass
[20:16] <junderwood> What is wet weather>
[20:16] <jonsowman> interfering lawnmower?
[20:16] <junderwood> ?
[20:16] <fsphil> yea I've had a few cases of lawnmowers spluttering all over 70cm
[20:17] <jonsowman> nice
[20:17] <fsphil> junderwood, it's what we get here most of the time :)
[20:17] <jonsowman> how unfortunate
[20:17] <junderwood> fsphil, please send some of it down here!
[20:17] <fsphil> absolutely pouring down
[20:17] <fsphil> sorry, it's heading to scotland first :)
[20:18] <Matt_soton> it can be heared in surrey (just) :)
[20:19] <Matt_soton> with a whip antenna
[20:19] <jcoxon_> hows it going guys
[20:20] <fsphil> looks good from here jcoxon_ :)
[20:23] Action: g8tmv is suffering from qrm, I'm getting very unreliable decoding
[20:25] <M0RJX_Robert> I'm decoding now
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[20:29] <g8tmv> Hmm.. I'm losing the signal
[20:30] <g8tmv> Looks like we are "feet wet"
[20:31] <M0RJX_Robert> almost
[20:31] <M0RJX_Robert> Yep
[20:31] <M0RJX_Robert> gps loss
[20:31] <M0RJX_Robert> ?
[20:32] <M0RJX_Robert> back
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[20:34] <M0RJX_Robert> nice flight james
[20:34] <M0RJX_Robert> I'm picking up loud and clear here
[20:34] <M0RJX_Robert> Nice direction for a change
[20:35] <M0RJX_Robert> When is the balast action?
[20:35] <jcoxon_> it needs to float a bit first
[20:35] <junderwood> Lots of noise here (Oxford). Partly because it's behind the building
[20:35] <jcoxon_> or if the ascent rate drops below 1.5
[20:38] <g8tmv> That's odd, it's suddenly got stronger again
[20:39] <M0TEK_Ed> sporadic E?
[20:40] <n9qgs> James, is their a destination you are trying to reach with this, I was not familiar with your attempts here, but enjoying to watch a very consistant direction out over the water.
[20:40] <M0TEK_Ed> i can't heaqr it any more but a big building is in the way so no suprise
[20:40] <g8tmv> I was just going to ask - is there a prediction?
[20:42] <M0TEK_Ed> g8tmv: we think it's going to take a sharp turn to the west in about 1.5-2 hours
[20:42] <fsphil> i briefly heard some rtty
[20:42] <M0TEK_Ed> and head back inland
[20:42] <M0TEK_Ed> maybe land somewhere near sheffield
[20:43] Action: g8tmv nods
[20:43] <M0TEK_Ed> have a play on cuspaceflight.co.uk/predict
[20:43] <M0TEK_Ed> set the 'float time' to about 5 hrs - 18000s
[20:44] <jcoxon_> thanks every one for tracking
[20:45] <M0TEK_Ed> LazyLeopard: can you link me to your noctolucent pics?
[20:45] <G3VZV-Graham> its difficult trying to drink wine, tend to the barbeque leg of lamb and chat to friends in the garden AND track your balloon but its lots of fun:)
[20:47] <jcoxon_> hehe
[20:47] <G3VZV-Graham> btw - what is the light0 parameter measuring?
[20:47] <jcoxon_> its a external ldr
[20:47] <G3VZV-Graham> rgr
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[20:53] <fsphil> how is the feld hell working?
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[20:55] <fsphil> I've got two bars on the waterfall, but they're 420 hz apart?
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[21:05] <G3VZV-Graham> signal is getting weak - too many trees in the way ...sorry
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[21:07] <M0TEK_Ed> it should hopefully swing west back over the midlands in an hour or so
[21:07] <M0TEK_Ed> fingers crossed
[21:07] <g8tmv> Right, I've really lost it this time - so I'm closing down
[21:11] <jonsowman> anyone else had dl-fldigi r111 crashing when it doesn't have a net connection?
[21:12] <junderwood_> lost it here as well. House in the way. Good luck jcoxon_
[21:15] <jcoxon_> jonsowman, yeah its a known issue
[21:15] <jcoxon_> thanks to everyone who has listened
[21:16] <M0RJX_Robert> RIght If needs be I can go to hill and track please call if you need me to do this
[21:16] <jcoxon_> if you get moment later in the flight it would be great if you could have another go
[21:16] <jcoxon_> M0RJX_Robert, not getting it at home?
[21:16] <M0RJX_Robert> No
[21:16] <M0RJX_Robert> Possibly do to hill
[21:16] <M0RJX_Robert> May wake up with alt
[21:16] <jcoxon_> its still running isn't it?
[21:16] <M0RJX_Robert> Yep can here but not decode
[21:17] <M0RJX_Robert> If you really want I can head up to a local hill at 700m aboive sea level
[21:17] <M0RJX_Robert> I'll do that when eveyone else loses contact
[21:17] <fsphil> that's not a hill :-p
[21:18] <jcoxon_> M0RJX_Robert, thanks
[21:18] <jcoxon_> anyone got a freq?
[21:19] <M0RJX_Robert> http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&safe=off&q=emley+moor+transmitter&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Emley+Moor,+Huddersfield,+West+Yorkshire,+United+Kingdom&z=14&iwloc=A
[21:20] <M0RJX_Robert> This is what on the hill http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=53.611843,-1.664495&num=1&t=h&sll=53.619298,-1.660451&sspn=0.013238,0.032015&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=53.61161,-1.663045&spn=0.00583,0.016855&z=17
[21:20] <M0RJX_Robert> See green arrow at base
[21:21] <fsphil> that's a big tower
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[21:22] <DrLuke> hi
[21:22] <M0RJX_Robert> fsphil yep 300m
[21:22] <M0RJX_Robert> jcoxon_ is there a hole in this one?
[21:22] <jcoxon_> hi DrLuke
[21:22] <jcoxon_> yeah
[21:22] <M0RJX_Robert> 5mm ?
[21:22] <jcoxon_> 1.5mm
[21:22] <M0RJX_Robert> 1.5
[21:22] <jcoxon_> like last time
[21:24] <M0RJX_Robert> jcoxon_ I'm going outside for a bit call me if you lose contact and want me to go and listen with the yagi
[21:26] <jcoxon_> M0RJX_Robert, okay thanks
[21:26] <jcoxon_> will do
[21:27] <griffonbot> @jamescoxon: #bh5 #arhab #hamr BallastHalo 5 in the air, 17000m, out in the North Sea, listeners requested http://spacenear.us/tracker/ [http://twitter.com/jamescoxon/status/18221280546]
[21:29] <G3VZV-Graham> shift is getting much lees than 350hz
[21:30] <jcoxon_> G3VZV its getting cold
[21:30] <jcoxon_> do you have a dial freq?
[21:30] <jcoxon_> it should start going west any moment
[21:30] <M0RJX_Robert> Was about to ask that
[21:30] <M0RJX_Robert> 20k?
[21:30] <M0RJX_Robert> 18k?
[21:31] <jcoxon_> about 22km
[21:31] <jcoxon_> so a little higher
[21:31] <jcoxon_> (just did the predictor run)
[21:31] <Dave_fev> 434.0784 on my dial
[21:33] <G3VZV-Graham> .0764 on mine...much better copy with shift adjusted to 316Hz
[21:34] <jcoxon_> ooo just found it
[21:34] <jcoxon_> .07492
[21:35] <Professor> howdy all
[21:36] <jcoxon_> hey Professor
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[21:36] <jcoxon_> Dave_fev, you must have the best setup
[21:36] <jcoxon_> always the best tracker!
[21:36] <Professor> you should see my tracker
[21:36] <Professor> heh
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[21:37] <Professor> $20,000 IMU, $60,000 gimbal, a pair of $30,000 motorola orthogon radios....
[21:37] <Dave_fev> I'm just on a hill, that's all.
[21:37] <Professor> dual 300 megabit links
[21:37] <Professor> of course, this is for work stuff, not personal. my personal stuff is a 5 watt HT and a gps and a pocket tracker interface
[21:37] <Upu> is it ment to be going to Norway ? :)
[21:38] <Professor> $200 tops
[21:39] <fsphil> speaking of norway, I wonder how LA3QMA's doing
[21:39] <Professor> welp, laters guys!
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[21:40] <fsphil> at last, I'm getting hints of a signal
[21:40] <fsphil> no that's not it
[21:42] <jonsowman> lawnmower :P
[21:42] <fsphil> lol
[21:42] <fsphil> not sure what it is, a carrier slowly increasing in frequency
[21:43] <fsphil> but it's too constant to be the payload
[21:43] <jonsowman> freq?
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[21:44] <Lunar_Lander> hello everybody
[21:44] <Lunar_Lander> hi jcoxon_
[21:44] <fsphil> 434.075.85 presently
[21:44] <M0RJX_Robert> jcoxon_ would you mind sending me a txt when the bugger changes direction
[21:44] <M0RJX_Robert> Full house this evening
[21:45] <jcoxon_> M0RJX_Robert, sure
[21:45] <jcoxon_> the good news is that its still sunny up there
[21:45] <jcoxon_> so not going to float yet...
[21:45] <Upu> any idea on the planned trajectory ??
[21:45] <jcoxon_> Upu, it'll turn a sharp west soon
[21:46] <Upu> i.e is it suppose to come back over northern or southern england ?
[21:46] <Upu> ok
[21:46] <Upu> well if you need a recovery up north :)
[21:46] <jcoxon_> Upu, got a radio?
[21:46] <Upu> sadly not
[21:47] <jcoxon_> oh well - need to recruit some northerly listeners
[21:47] <rupert> I've got a 70cm rig, but not much point in London!
[21:47] <Upu> Agreement with the wife is I have to have a working flight computer before we can shell out on a radio :)
[21:47] <Upu> don't worry I'll get one eventually
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[21:49] <fsphil> it's a long way from land
[21:49] <jcoxon_> yeah it is :-p
[21:49] <jcoxon_> notice the light0 reading
[21:50] <fsphil> yea nice and bright
[21:50] <jcoxon_> obviously the sun is low and its spinning slowly
[21:50] <jcoxon_> so occasionally dips
[21:50] <fsphil> ah, just seen that - 44
[21:50] <fsphil> shame there's no camera ;D
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[21:54] <fsphil> going west a bit
[21:54] <fsphil> 20km
[21:55] <fsphil> the light's fading fast!
[21:56] <M0RJX_Robert> ok back
[21:56] <M0RJX_Robert> seems to be turning
[21:57] <jcoxon_> indeed
[21:57] <n9qgs> yep definitely taking a turn at this time.
[21:59] <n9qgs> James I think Bill worked with you getting everything squared away for n9qgs- to work through the network, and it I test it and appears to work just fine.
[21:59] <M0TEK_Ed> :D
[21:59] <M0RJX_Robert> hum not there yet
[21:59] <Lunar_Lander> is somebody aloft?
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[22:00] <M0TEK_Ed> hi Futurity
[22:00] <M0TEK_Ed> it's just started to swing to the est
[22:00] <Futurity> Hi Ed
[22:00] <M0TEK_Ed> west*
[22:00] <Lunar_Lander> repeat: do we have a balloon in the air?
[22:00] <M0TEK_Ed> yes
[22:00] <Lunar_Lander> thank you
[22:00] <Lunar_Lander> what are the stats?
[22:00] <Upu> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[22:00] <M0TEK_Ed> spacenear.us/tracker
[22:00] <M0TEK_Ed> as always
[22:00] <M0RJX_Robert> can we run a pred from here based on latest data or does the balloon need to be on the ground?
[22:00] <Lunar_Lander> e.g. what's onboard?
[22:01] <Futurity> Ed just saying hi to wife before disappearing off to track :)
[22:01] <M0TEK_Ed> ballast dumping system
[22:01] <M0TEK_Ed> ok
[22:01] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[22:01] <Lunar_Lander> BallastHalo 5?
[22:01] <Lunar_Lander> damn
[22:01] <Lunar_Lander> the website says it
[22:01] <Lunar_Lander> *facepalm*
[22:01] <M0RJX_Robert> hehe
[22:02] <M0RJX_Robert> ground spped would be good jc
[22:02] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:02] <M0RJX_Robert> esp as you have it for free
[22:02] <Lunar_Lander> it is a burst balloon right?
[22:02] <M0RJX_Robert> No
[22:02] <Lunar_Lander> a floater?
[22:02] <Futurity> has it reached hovering altitude yet or is that still some way off?
[22:02] <M0RJX_Robert> Like in the bog :)
[22:02] <jonsowman> M0RJX_Robert: nice analogy
[22:03] <Futurity> it may get flushed later on if it lands in the sea
[22:03] <jonsowman> :\
[22:03] <Lunar_Lander> so if it is a floater, maybe it gets to Norway
[22:03] <M0RJX_Robert> natrium42 we need to get pred trail for floaters on
[22:04] <jcoxon_> M0RJX_Robert, the problem is that you don't know how much to float
[22:04] <n9qgs> I think it would be so neat to have a boat out there to track it and hen it came down you try to have it land in the boat :-)
[22:04] <n9qgs> no roads to deal with :-)
[22:04] <Lunar_Lander> hi jcoxon_ I had been at a balloon launch in friedrichshafen on June 26
[22:04] <jcoxon_> Lunar_Lander, oh great
[22:04] <Lunar_Lander> the one person there knew you
[22:04] <natrium42> i can get some regular prediction, maybe it would help?
[22:04] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[22:04] <jcoxon_> i fell bad as i offered to help but didn't get it done in time
[22:05] <jcoxon_> feel*
[22:05] <jcoxon_> natrium42, yeah it might be sensible
[22:05] <Lunar_Lander> what would you have contributed?
[22:05] <jcoxon_> or we could use my float predictor with a set float
[22:05] <natrium42> k
[22:05] <jcoxon_> Lunar_Lander, the english speaking voice
[22:05] <Lunar_Lander> oh ok
[22:05] <natrium42> is it based on the same code, jcoxon_ ?
[22:05] <Lunar_Lander> cool :)
[22:06] <n9qgs> now maybe were getting our westward movement.
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[22:06] <jcoxon_> yeah its just a small addition
[22:06] <jcoxon_> the binary is in my jcoxon directory
[22:06] <natrium42> on spacenear?
[22:06] <jcoxon_> yeah
[22:07] <natrium42> k
[22:07] <natrium42> grabbing GFS
[22:07] <fsphil> what's the current dial frequency?
[22:07] <jcoxon_> /home/space/jcoxon
[22:09] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[22:09] <Lunar_Lander> it shows the prediction!
[22:09] <Dave_fev> 434.0777 USB Decode centre 900Hz
[22:09] <fsphil> ah, there we are
[22:10] <natrium42> hold on, that's the regular prediction
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[22:10] <natrium42> although it should be close for near altitudes
[22:11] <M0RJX_Robert> natrium42 that's cool
[22:11] <fsphil> can I have that for my launch? perty please :D
[22:11] <M0RJX_Robert> At least we can se whats going on with the JS
[22:12] <natrium42> fsphil, when is it?
[22:12] <fsphil> natrium42, ideally the 31st July, or up to a week after if the weather is bad
[22:12] <natrium42> ah, excellent
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[22:13] <natrium42> G4FEV ftw
[22:14] <fsphil> oh btw: http://www.nowcast.co.uk/lightning/
[22:15] <M0RJX_Robert> jcoxon_ if we get a prolonged flight I guess it may come as far as leeds on the js
[22:16] <Upu> get it a little further I'll collect it from Bradford :)
[22:17] <M0RJX_Robert> Upu it will land in thirsk if that's the flight path
[22:17] <M0RJX_Robert> see the burst icont to landing
[22:17] <M0RJX_Robert> Thats the path it will take on descent
[22:17] <Upu> yep
[22:18] <Upu> what triggers the ballast mode ?
[22:18] <jcoxon_> M0RJX_Robert, is there something in the way of your ant?
[22:18] <jcoxon_> as its getting quite close
[22:18] <Upu> and what then triggers it to go up and burst ?
[22:18] <jcoxon_> Upu, well it depends
[22:19] <Upu> I need to get myself a radio :)
[22:19] <jcoxon_> if the ballast drops (if it floats for a little while we'll drop some ballast) we might rise up to high and burst
[22:19] <Futurity> jcoxon: do you use any of the data fields to monitor ballast levels, etc?
[22:19] <jcoxon_> or in just gradually gets too high
[22:19] <Lunar_Lander> it only ballasts if it stops ascending?!
[22:19] <jcoxon_> or it descends
[22:19] <jcoxon_> or it ascends too slowly (which it isn't)
[22:20] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:21] <natrium42> jcoxon_, is /home/space/jcoxon/float-predictor/pred_src/pred the right one?
[22:21] <Futurity> i see on the tracker that there is a balloon burst image just over hull
[22:21] <natrium42> doesn't seem to have any effect
[22:21] <Futurity> is that on the basis that the balast doesn't work?
[22:21] <Lunar_Lander> how comes that the prediction changed?
[22:21] <natrium42> oh, wait, it did
[22:21] <jcoxon_> natrium42, yeah it does
[22:21] <jcoxon_> hehe
[22:21] <natrium42> omg
[22:21] <natrium42> :)
[22:21] <Lunar_Lander> is the prediction live too?
[22:22] <natrium42> yes
[22:22] <Upu> lol that goes right over my house haha
[22:22] <jcoxon_> thats quite a long float
[22:22] <jcoxon_> of 4hrs
[22:22] <Lunar_Lander> LOL Upu
[22:22] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:22] <Lunar_Lander> btw I got an E-Mail from Northern ireland
[22:22] <natrium42> ignore the burst, rite?
[22:22] <Lunar_Lander> I have been asked how far balloons go
[22:22] <natrium42> (that's the highest alt)
[22:22] <jcoxon_> yeah thats float alt
[22:22] <jcoxon_> so once we float we could adjust that
[22:22] <Lunar_Lander> because the writer said some of his printed balloons have flown to England and Scotland
[22:22] <jcoxon_> float will be quite soon
[22:23] <natrium42> jcoxon_, why is it 33km?
[22:23] <Futurity> cool, how long to go before float?
[22:23] <natrium42> do i need to change the ini file?
[22:23] <jcoxon_> yes
[22:23] <Lunar_Lander> I'll show him the CUSF predictor :P (good idea jonsowman ?)
[22:23] <jcoxon_> basically in the code it just doesn't let it burst
[22:23] <natrium42> jcoxon_, what should i put for max alt?
[22:23] <jcoxon_> it loops for a little at that altitude (for however many seconds)
[22:23] <jcoxon_> well i suspect more like 25 or 27km
[22:23] <natrium42> 26 it is
[22:23] <ms7821> oog
[22:23] <ms7821> ooh*
[22:24] <natrium42> there
[22:24] <Lunar_Lander> is CUSF Predictor good to show a balloon maker from Northern Ireland how far balloons go?
[22:25] Action: natrium42 translates to german and back
[22:26] <natrium42> Lunar_Lander, sure, it will give the general idea
[22:26] <M0RJX_Robert> wow why the chnge in pred has new gfs come through
[22:26] <Lunar_Lander> because he said that his balloons go to England and Scotland
[22:26] <Lunar_Lander> and he wondered how far a stratosphere balloon can go
[22:27] <natrium42> M0RJX_Robert, switched to jcoxon_'s float prediction code
[22:27] <natrium42> and set float altitude to 26km
[22:27] <M0RJX_Robert> hehe cool
[22:27] <M0RJX_Robert> humm burst is not bust then
[22:28] <M0RJX_Robert> burst
[22:28] <natrium42> yeah, that's just the max altitude
[22:28] <natrium42> well, one of them :)
[22:28] <M0RJX_Robert> It's a bit annoying not geting a signal here
[22:29] <Lunar_Lander> how does the signal sound?
[22:29] <Lunar_Lander> like a Xylophone or so?
[22:29] <natrium42> jcoxon_, any success with hellschreiber?
[22:29] <G3VZV-Graham> setting custom shift - now 290Hz REALLY improves the decoding
[22:29] <jcoxon_> natrium42, i haven't got a clear view right now
[22:29] <G3VZV-Graham> its aweak weak signal here now
[22:29] <jcoxon_> got some about an hour ago
[22:29] <G3VZV-Graham> thru the trees
[22:29] <natrium42> ah
[22:29] <M0RJX_Robert> who is 2infinity
[22:29] <fsphil> Lunar_Lander, if I launch my balloon today it will land in scotland
[22:30] <jcoxon_> beginning to float...
[22:30] <Lunar_Lander> yay
[22:30] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[22:30] <Lunar_Lander> what if a balloon is launched in NI and lands in IRL?
[22:30] <Lunar_Lander> is that a complex situation?
[22:31] <natrium42> jcoxon_, yay
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[22:31] <fsphil> Lunar_Lander, yes - when launching here it's good to clear it with the IAA too, just in case it does
[22:31] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[22:31] <Lunar_Lander> and what about Irish police and so?
[22:31] <fsphil> it might not, but NI is such a small place
[22:31] <natrium42> G3VZV-Graham, nice tracking!
[22:32] <fsphil> as long as the IAA are fine with it, the police won't care
[22:32] <Lunar_Lander> is there an open border to Ireland?
[22:32] <fsphil> yes
[22:32] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[22:32] <Lunar_Lander> so that 90's fighting has stopped?
[22:32] <G6HVY_Rupert> Just out of interest, does anyone know where I can get a recording of the old 27MHz weather balloons?
[22:32] <natrium42> so once float time reaches 600... :)
[22:32] <fsphil> oh they still argue Lunar_Lander, just with words now :)
[22:32] <Lunar_Lander> yay :)
[22:33] <Lunar_Lander> they reached the advanced level of dipomacy :)
[22:33] <M0RJX_Robert> bit nippy up there
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[22:33] <M0RJX_Robert> how much is the first dump jasonb
[22:33] <M0RJX_Robert> jcoxon_
[22:33] <M0RJX_Robert> 100ml
[22:34] <M0RJX_Robert> This is looking text book atm
[22:34] <fsphil> there must be an obstruction, I should be hearing something. never tried with something this far north though
[22:34] <Lunar_Lander> I just remember, in 1999 the irish team "Diotior" had to disassemble their robot for "Robot Wars" completely
[22:34] <fsphil> ooh I remember that too Lunar_Lander !
[22:34] <Lunar_Lander> just to show that all components were safe
[22:34] Action: natrium42 changes float alt to 24km
[22:34] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:34] <Lunar_Lander> when they arrived there they had to reassemble it
[22:35] <Lunar_Lander> took all their time until the first battle
[22:35] <jcoxon_> 5 mins of float
[22:35] <Futurity> just setting up rig now, may i ask which frequency its cyrrently on?
[22:35] Action: fsphil looks at the nick list
[22:35] Nick change: fsphil -> MI6VIM_fsphil
[22:35] <MI6VIM_fsphil> ;-)
[22:35] <jcoxon_> when float time gets to 600 then we'll dump
[22:37] <MI6VIM_fsphil> whoa it's pitch black up there
[22:37] <n9qgs> what does the float time number specify or mean... does it have a meaning or is it a result of other calculations
[22:37] <g8tmv> Hmm.. why is the predictor changing so much - is someone playing with the parameters?
[22:37] <Dave_fev> 434.0767 USB Centre Frequency at 950 Hz Shift set at 290Hz
[22:37] <M0RJX_Robert> jcoxon_ dump how much
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[22:38] <M0RJX_Robert> all 500ml or a bit?
[22:38] <jcoxon_> 100mls
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[22:39] <natrium42> there we go
[22:39] <M0RJX_Robert> hum 041?
[22:39] <jcoxon_> eek
[22:40] <g8tmv> looks like duff data
[22:40] <jcoxon_> dirty data
[22:40] <M0RJX_Robert> ok jcoxon_ I guess over to you for whats going on :)
[22:40] <LazyLeopard> I guess the predictor's seeing the effects of the balloon hovering?
[22:41] <Lunar_Lander> hm
[22:41] <jcoxon_> eek pump doesn't seem to be turning
[22:41] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:41] <g8tmv> frozen?
[22:41] <Lunar_Lander> tank is full and we are 100 seconds past the time
[22:43] <rjmunro> Is it me or does the predictor think it should be going a lot more west than it actually has been?
[22:43] <Futurity> hmm not getting anything in Melbourn on 434.0767 USB
[22:43] <jcoxon_> Futurity, try a bit lower
[22:43] <jcoxon_> say .075
[22:43] <jcoxon_> so yeah it should be turning
[22:43] <Futurity> wht approx angle do you think it'll be at
[22:43] <jcoxon_> directly north
[22:43] <jcoxon_> i suspect its frozen
[22:43] <jcoxon_> it might heat up
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[22:44] <jcoxon_> damn
[22:44] <jcoxon_> well this flight is going to be long...
[22:44] <M0RJX_Robert> Yep
[22:44] <M0RJX_Robert> Are we exeting it to come around more if it gets higher
[22:44] <jcoxon_> sorry guys
[22:44] <m6lep> $$ATLAS/No GPS/21:43:0/53.8984/1.0878/23440/12/0.5/10/853/-27/-43/11/500/1*27
[22:45] <M0RJX_Robert> I'm not too keen on this north stuff
[22:45] <jcoxon_> m6lep, don't worry about that
[22:45] <Lunar_Lander> do you have a termination command?
[22:45] <jcoxon_> Lunar_Lander, pah
[22:45] <natrium42> m6lep, nice range
[22:45] <jcoxon_> m6lep, what range is dl-fldigi reporting
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[22:46] <LazyLeopard> Just got back from visiting friends. Left radio running, but it lost track. Got it back now. Reported distance is 289.9
[22:46] <natrium42> ooh, it's turning
[22:46] <M0RJX_Robert> yep
[22:47] <M0RJX_Robert> Just about to say that
[22:47] <natrium42> predictor wanted it to turn much earlier XD
[22:47] <g8tmv> it's going up again too
[22:47] <jcoxon_> hmmm we had a marked rise
[22:48] <jcoxon_> perhaps it pumped but wasn't sensed
[22:48] <g8tmv> how does it sense?
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[22:48] <jcoxon_> its a photogate which is broken by the pump
[22:48] <Lunar_Lander> btw I just noticed "Dumfries" in the north-west of the map xD
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[22:48] <M0RJX_Robert> WTF U turn
[22:48] <ms7821> hmm
[22:49] <natrium42> lol
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[22:49] <MI6VIM_fsphil> ascent rate increasting
[22:49] <MI6VIM_fsphil> -t
[22:49] <M0RJX_Robert> That's what I like to see
[22:49] <MI6VIM_fsphil> the pump's done something then
[22:50] <M0TEK_Ed> let's hope!
[22:50] <M0TEK_Ed> seems to be working
[22:50] Nick change: Guest98354 -> AndrewC
[22:50] <M0TEK_Ed> unless it's accursed gravity waves again
[22:50] <Lunar_Lander> what does Light0 display?
[22:50] <M0RJX_Robert> Shame the title is in the interesting bit of the graph
[22:50] <g8tmv> any idea how much of a payload weight decrease is needed for a 1.4m/s ascent rate?
[22:51] <Lunar_Lander> I think there is no formula for that
[22:51] <MI6VIM_fsphil> Lunar_Lander, ambient light level
[22:51] <M0RJX_Robert> wow
[22:51] <Lunar_Lander> AFAIK balloon dynamics are still not completely understood
[22:51] <MI6VIM_fsphil> lol
[22:51] <Lunar_Lander> is that correct?
[22:51] <M0RJX_Robert> Now that's teleportation
[22:51] <MI6VIM_fsphil> nope
[22:51] <MI6VIM_fsphil> that was cool lol
[22:51] <MI6VIM_fsphil> damn wormholes
[22:52] <M0RJX_Robert> natrium42 can you clean that point
[22:52] <Lunar_Lander> lol
[22:52] <natrium42> whoa
[22:52] <M0RJX_Robert> CRC32
[22:52] <M0RJX_Robert> !
[22:52] <g8tmv> what does "Ballast Mode: 1" mean?
[22:53] <natrium42> refresh
[22:53] <M0RJX_Robert> natrium42 can you place the altas on the graph to the left top corner rather than right
[22:53] <natrium42> yeah, one sec
[22:53] <M0RJX_Robert> As it gets in the way of the fun data
[22:54] <natrium42> ok, refresh again
[22:54] <jcoxon_> g8tmv, that means its trying to drop ballast
[22:55] <jcoxon_> the issue is that because its not recording a ballat dump its going to keep dumping until empty
[22:55] <M0RJX_Robert> jcoxon_ It certanly looks like it did drop ballast
[22:55] <natrium42> jcoxon_, so would it have dropped all of the ballast if the sensor wasn't working?
[22:55] <G3VZV-Graham> shift now 270hz
[22:56] <jcoxon_> well its going to drop 100mls if the sensor is reporting 500mls then it'll keep dumping till it gets to 400mls
[22:56] <jcoxon_> which will be never
[22:56] <Futurity> is the morse on 434.0603?
[22:56] <jcoxon_> Futurity, could well be
[22:56] <M0RJX_Robert> so it will dump all ballast
[22:56] <jcoxon_> yes
[22:57] <Futurity> about 5 dots a sec?
[22:57] <g8tmv> jcoxon_: what if the tank is frozen, but the pump managed to melt the tube, or maybe tore it, which damaged the counter
[22:58] <Futurity> morse back after a break of about a minute
[22:58] <M0RJX_Robert> jcoxon_ if I do recover you had better tell me what to examine at collection
[22:58] <Lunar_Lander> can the balloon transmit through the night?
[22:58] <M0TEK_Ed> Lunar_Lander: yes
[22:59] <Lunar_Lander> if the ballast won't work, then it maybe bursts when it climbs at sunrise
[22:59] <Futurity> although can receive morse
[22:59] <Futurity> can't hear any data about it :'(
[23:01] <MI6VIM_fsphil> woo, I see a wavey line
[23:02] <Lunar_Lander> btw where is it supposed to burst?
[23:02] <Lunar_Lander> e.g. what is the burst altitude
[23:02] <AndrewC> 24999 on the prediction
[23:02] <MI6VIM_fsphil> lol
[23:02] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[23:02] <MI6VIM_fsphil> another wormhole
[23:03] <Lunar_Lander> the balloon just flashed red
[23:03] <Lunar_Lander> why?
[23:03] <MI6VIM_fsphil> bad data, tracker thought the balloon had descended
[23:03] <n9qgs> no matter where it wormsholes to its over water :-)
[23:03] <AndrewC> it's almost over africa!
[23:04] <n9qgs> Lions and tigers oh my...
[23:04] <Lunar_Lander> lol it landed off the cost of Ghana!
[23:04] <Lunar_Lander> *coast
[23:04] <MI6VIM_fsphil> I think i'm seeing hints of the held hell signal
[23:06] <jcoxon_> ping natrium42
[23:06] <natrium42> already fixed :)
[23:06] <AndrewC> is the prediction showing what would happen if it bursts now?
[23:07] <jcoxon_> wow high ascent rate
[23:07] <Lunar_Lander> yeah 2.6 m/s
[23:07] <natrium42> yeah, you definitelly dropped ballast
[23:07] <g8tmv> yeah, looks like it might still be dumping
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[23:07] <Futurity> frequency check please
[23:08] <Dave_fev> 434.0772 USB Centre Freq 1100Hz Shift 290Hz
[23:09] <M0RJX_Robert> lol
[23:09] <M0RJX_Robert> jcoxon_ the ballast must have dumped
[23:09] <jcoxon_> 4 degrees warmer and quite an increase in ascent rate
[23:09] <jcoxon_> yeah
[23:09] <jcoxon_> might now land in the sea...
[23:09] <M0RJX_Robert> do we agree
[23:10] <n9qgs> I agree
[23:10] <jcoxon_> M0RJX_Robert, still no signal?
[23:10] <M0RJX_Robert> :(
[23:10] <n9qgs> who's got the boat...
[23:11] <MI6VIM_fsphil> what are the odds it will float again?
[23:11] <n9qgs> You know this is what expirimentation is all about though...
[23:11] <LazyLeopard> 434.0748 USB?
[23:11] <MI6VIM_fsphil> I got it
[23:12] <MI6VIM_fsphil> still very weak, but definitely the payload
[23:12] <g8tmv> Finally, it's headed west
[23:15] <natrium42> MI6VIM_fsphil, oh it will float...
[23:15] <MI6VIM_fsphil> not that kind of float :-p
[23:16] <MI6VIM_fsphil> signal fading again
[23:16] <Futurity> i've got faint morse on 434.0603 still
[23:16] <Futurity> morse i can get , data nothing
[23:16] <MI6VIM_fsphil> yea I'm not getting any text at all
[23:17] <AndrewC> are we expecting it to burst any minute?
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[23:17] <g8tmv> is there a burst altitude prediction?
[23:18] <natrium42> no, it's determined by the balloon parameters at launch
[23:18] <G6HVY_Rupert> it's enjoying its night out too much to want to come home just yet
[23:19] <g8tmv> natrium42: I know that - but given the parameter values did someone calculate a burst height?
[23:19] <M0RJX_Robert> It seems likely that all the ballast has dropped
[23:19] <M0RJX_Robert> Given the huge increase in asc rate
[23:20] <AndrewC> why is the ballast left still 500? i thought it was meant to decrease as the pump is activated
[23:20] <M0TEK_Ed> we think it's brokked
[23:20] <M0TEK_Ed> the sensor that detects pump cycles
[23:20] <AndrewC> fair enough :)
[23:21] Action: natrium42 plugs in regular prediction code
[23:21] <rjmunro> g8tmv: AFAICR there is a small hole to relieve pressure in the balloon so that it probably won't burst.
[23:22] <M0RJX_Robert> I think it's likely to achive float conditions again
[23:22] <natrium42> this prediction shows what would happen if it burst at 29km
[23:23] <Upu> hope so or it's going to Davey Jones locker
[23:23] <rjmunro> g8tmv: It still could burst if it gains altitude too fast and the hole isn't big enough, but it should reach a certain height, float for a while, then descend gently still on the ballon.
[23:23] <M0RJX_Robert> Given the lack of sunlight I think it should get to 33k
[23:23] <AndrewC> it's sppeding up (ascent rate)
[23:23] <MI6VIM_fsphil> someone light a rocket?
[23:23] <M0RJX_Robert> and that should be enough time to get to float again maybe
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[23:24] <MI6VIM_fsphil> there's a lot of maybe's in this flight :)
[23:25] <natrium42> jcoxon_, you have proven that pump works :)
[23:26] <ms7821> 499?
[23:26] <natrium42> oooh
[23:26] <AndrewC> the sensor's recovered!
[23:26] <ms7821> 498
[23:27] <AndrewC> what sort of sensor is it? magnetic?
[23:27] <natrium42> photogate
[23:27] <natrium42> http://www.pegasushabproject.org.uk/wiki/doku.php/missions:ballasthalo:ballasthalo5
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[23:28] <natrium42> hi Laurenceb
[23:28] <natrium42> jcoxon_, is the pumping speed as expected?
[23:28] <natrium42> or is the sensor still working intermittently?
[23:28] <Laurenceb> whats happening with the floater then?
[23:29] <Laurenceb> ooh the pun potential :P
[23:29] <MI6VIM_fsphil> the ascent is slowing
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[23:29] <natrium42> Laurenceb, ballast drop worked, but sensor is not
[23:29] <Laurenceb> neat
[23:29] <Laurenceb> what sort of sensor?
[23:29] <natrium42> so it likely dumped all the ballast
[23:29] <natrium42> photogate
[23:29] <natrium42> that measures pump rotations
[23:29] <g8khw-iPhone> 63
[23:29] <Laurenceb> ah yes I remember
[23:29] <Laurenceb> what up with the sensor?
[23:29] <Laurenceb> ooh north sea
[23:30] <natrium42> it seems to have started working
[23:30] Action: Laurenceb suspects that the free radicals etc will start damaging the envelope
[23:30] <Laurenceb> :(
[23:30] <natrium42> no ur a free radical :(
[23:30] <Laurenceb> especially at that altitiude - what size balloon is it?
[23:31] <Lunar_Lander> Free Radicals is a cool band
[23:31] <Lunar_Lander> :D
[23:33] <jcoxon_> dial freq?
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[23:34] <M0RJX_Robert> jcoxon_ can you explain why the ballast sensor is slowly going down
[23:34] <M0RJX_Robert> is that slower than in test?
[23:34] <MI6VIM_fsphil> 434.074.800 here jcoxon_
[23:34] <AndrewC> it's passed 30K
[23:35] <Dave_fev> 434.0777 Centre Freq 1400Hz Shift 285Hz
[23:35] <MI6VIM_fsphil> payload is +1647 hz
[23:35] <MI6VIM_fsphil> I'm starting to get fragments of text
[23:35] <ms7821> what's the range of the light sensor?
[23:35] <AndrewC> 0-100 I believe
[23:36] <jcoxon_> its dark :-p
[23:36] <ms7821> yeah
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[23:37] <MI6VIM_fsphil> signal seems pretty consistent, the payload must be fairly steady
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[23:37] <rjmunro> Is the altitude metres or feet?
[23:37] <M0TEK_Ed> m
[23:38] <Laurenceb> its dark so the UV will have gone, but we've previously seen stuff burst at night
[23:38] <Laurenceb> probably due to damage from free radicals IMO - its pretty noctious up there
[23:38] <natrium42> it'll still burst if pressure gets too low
[23:38] <Laurenceb> and the envelope is very thin
[23:38] <AndrewC> now passed 100,000 feet (30.48km)
[23:39] <Laurenceb> yeah IIRC one burst as it was slowly descending over France
[23:39] <MI6VIM_fsphil> it's not officially "very high"
[23:39] <MI6VIM_fsphil> not=now
[23:39] <Laurenceb> hmm might just reach land
[23:39] <Laurenceb> but doesnt look hopeful :(
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[23:39] <natrium42> Position: 53.867,0.6187
[23:39] <natrium42> Altitude: very high Rate: 1.7 m/s
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[23:40] <MI6VIM_fsphil> still slowing though
[23:40] <MI6VIM_fsphil> ooh, 60 users in channel
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[23:41] <natrium42> G4FEV is awesome
[23:41] <MI6VIM_fsphil> it's 8-bit asci isn't it?
[23:41] <g8tmv> pump has switched off
[23:41] <natrium42> MI6VIM_fsphil, yes
[23:41] <ms7821> did it just drop?
[23:42] <AndrewC> don't think so
[23:42] <MI6VIM_fsphil> yes, "TLAS" :)
[23:42] <natrium42> g8tmv, cool, so sensor does work now
[23:42] <rjmunro> What was the longest duration of the previous BH missions?
[23:42] <natrium42> it pumped until 400 was reached
[23:42] <M0RJX_Robert> 1500 jcoxon_
[23:43] <M0RJX_Robert> balloon size
[23:43] <g8tmv> natrium42: well it pumped until it thought 400
[23:43] <natrium42> yeah
[23:43] <M0TEK_Ed> rjmunro: overnight
[23:43] <natrium42> though sensor might have been skipping turns
[23:43] <jgrahamc> Thanks for a great afternoon guys. Uploading pics and launch video to Flickr shortly.
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[23:43] <natrium42> jcoxon_ should know how quickly the number should change
[23:43] <natrium42> (when working correctly)
[23:44] <rjmunro> M0TEK_Ed: How long overnight? Do we expect this one to do similar?
[23:44] <Lunar_Lander> what I would like to know is: Does BallastMode 0 mean "no ballast drop"?
[23:44] <M0RJX_Robert> down
[23:44] <M0TEK_Ed> about 6-7 hrs
[23:44] <M0RJX_Robert> ?
[23:44] <M0TEK_Ed> so about 10hrs total
[23:44] <M0TEK_Ed> hrm now mabe me
[23:45] <M0RJX_Robert> bad data
[23:45] <g8tmv> what is the current alt record?
[23:45] <G6HVY_Rupert> jgrahamc - do tweet when you've u/ld
[23:45] <Lunar_Lander> I think 40 km or so g8tmv
[23:45] <natrium42> burst
[23:45] <MI6VIM_fsphil> wheeeeeeee
[23:46] <G3VZV_Graham> down it comes
[23:46] <jgrahamc> Will do. Plan to tag with BallastHalo5 on Flickr.
[23:46] <MI6VIM_fsphil> just as it was about to decode too
[23:46] <MI6VIM_fsphil> so, water landing then?
[23:46] <Lunar_Lander> COOL
[23:46] <jcoxon_> water landing
[23:46] <natrium42> yeah :(
[23:46] <M0TEK_Ed> yup
[23:46] <jcoxon_> uh oh
[23:46] <Lunar_Lander> I love the chute symbol
[23:46] Action: MI6VIM_fsphil raises a glass to BH5
[23:47] <jcoxon_> bye bye ballasthalo 5
[23:47] Action: Upu cheers to that
[23:47] <Lunar_Lander> I think it'll come down on land
[23:47] <Upu> lol
[23:47] <M0RJX_Robert> lol
[23:47] <Lunar_Lander> it's only showing that because it drops so fast now
[23:47] <Lunar_Lander> wait till it gets slower
[23:47] <natrium42> jcoxon_, everything worked very well excluding sensor, good job!
[23:47] <M0TEK_Ed> that burst earlier than expected
[23:47] <M0RJX_Robert> Lunar_Lander this one is for davy jones
[23:47] <g8tmv> Lunar_Lander: look at the early part of the graph, the lower winds will move it NE
[23:47] <jcoxon_> haha finally!
[23:48] <M0RJX_Robert> Nice launch james
[23:48] <MI6VIM_fsphil> fading fast...
[23:48] <MI6VIM_fsphil> yes that was excellent!
[23:48] <M0RJX_Robert> Same about the sensor but I think the pump worked fine
[23:48] <M0RJX_Robert> shame
[23:49] <MI6VIM_fsphil> of course, there's a %0.000001 chance it will land on a boat or an oil rig
[23:49] <natrium42> lol
[23:50] <rjmunro> Could the payload float, and get washed ashore some time?
[23:50] <jcoxon_> rjmunro, has happened before
[23:50] <M0TEK_Ed> rjmunro: they almost always wash up in denmark
[23:51] <g8tmv> It's dumping again
[23:51] <jcoxon_> g8tmv, emergency dump!
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[23:51] <MI6VIM_fsphil> it just crapped itself?
[23:51] <Lunar_Lander> yeah it says "BallastMode 2"
[23:51] <Lunar_Lander> lol
[23:51] <griffonbot> @CollegeARC: RT @jamescoxon: #bh5 #arhab #hamr BallastHalo 5 in the air, 17000m, out in the North Sea, listeners requested http://spacenear.us/tracker/ [http://twitter.com/CollegeARC/status/18228076533]
[23:51] <MI6VIM_fsphil> signal inaudible here, but still on the waterfall
[23:51] <n9qgs> There is a Search and rescue vessel in that area, called the Ocean Clever....
[23:52] <MI6VIM_fsphil> .... and it's gone
[23:52] <M0RJX_Robert> nights all, it's been fun
[23:53] <natrium42> nite rob
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[23:53] <ms7821> has it turned?
[23:53] <natrium42> jcoxon_, how big is the chute? 1 hour to land
[23:54] <LA3QMA> hmm
[23:54] <MI6VIM_fsphil> ms7821, yea the lower winds are to the north
[23:54] <G3VZV_Graham> la3qma did u get my texts?
[23:54] <LA3QMA> beaming south suth/east i got something in the waterfall
[23:54] <Lunar_Lander> damn that life has no time acceleration button
[23:54] <LA3QMA> turning away nada but it was to small to be rtty i think
[23:55] <MI6VIM_fsphil> could have been the morse / feld hell beacon
[23:55] <g8tmv> it's already turned away from land
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[23:55] <LA3QMA> i left the antenna at the qth as i'm going back another day
[23:56] <LA3QMA> it was rellatively constant
[23:56] <MI6VIM_fsphil> hmm
[23:56] <MI6VIM_fsphil> the signal from the payload should slowly slide a about a bit
[23:56] <Lunar_Lander> did you plan in the possibility of splashdown?
[23:56] <natrium42> hi VA3SIE, nice to see you here
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[23:57] <VA3SIE> There's another balloon launch tommorow near Montreal I am looking forward too.
[23:57] <LA3QMA> but it's only impossible if you don't try to receive ;o)
[23:58] <jcoxon_> LA3QMA, thank you for trying!
[23:58] <natrium42> yep, got the email, but doubt i can track it from waterloo
[23:58] <G6HVY_Rupert> There's always a signal somewhere :)
[23:58] <griffonbot> @0xD1: High Altitude Ballooning: Sigan el descenso del BallastHalo 5 en vivo por > http://spacenear.us/tracker/ #hab #ukhas #arhab #bh5 [http://twitter.com/0xD1/status/18228400709]
[23:58] <Lunar_Lander> VA is Canada?
[23:58] <VA3SIE> Yes.
[23:58] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[23:58] <VA3SIE> Ottawa, ON.
[23:58] <LA3QMA> a bit optimistic but i had other things to do at the qth so then i just had to try
[23:58] <natrium42> i remember your callsign from the ham book :)
[23:58] <Lunar_Lander> sorry mixed it up with VK for Australia
[23:59] <jcoxon_> hey VA3SIE, we chatted back in the PBH-10 days
[23:59] <VA3SIE> Yes... PBH was fun!
[23:59] <G3VZV_Graham> dlfidgi ver 3HAb seems to work much better - now hardly detectable to the ear but still getting 50% decodes
[23:59] <VA3SIE> This one (BallastHalo 5) is also a HF / ballast balloon?
[23:59] <G3VZV_Graham> 290hz shift
[00:00] --- Sun Jul 11 2010